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Speaker 1: Welcome to Take It Happened Here, a podcast that now

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Speaker 1: more than ever, is about things falling apart. It's been

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Speaker 1: roughly one year since the dab's decision has annihilated what

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Speaker 1: was left of the protection for legal abortions in this country,

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Speaker 1: and things have gotten enormously worse in ways that most

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Speaker 1: people are essentially attempting to ignore or hide from. There are, however,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who cannot essentially run from the

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Speaker 1: absolute horror that has been unleashed in this country. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking today and tomorrow with one

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Speaker 1: of those people, who.

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Speaker 2: Is Crystal has has the triple crown.

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Speaker 1: Of abortion work of being an abortion worker, a union organizer,

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Speaker 1: and on the board of an abortion fund. Yeah, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Crystal. And I'm sorry, You're.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Thank you, Thank you so much. Mea, it's really

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Speaker 3: nice to be here again. I had a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun last time, and it's nice to be talking to

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Speaker 3: you again, even though I only have really horrible Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's to say, for the most part though, there are

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Speaker 3: some good things, but it's mostly really awful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I guess that's where I want to start,

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Speaker 1: is it's well Okay, I think I'm pretty sure that

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Speaker 1: So the day this is coming out, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be I think two days before the anniversary of Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to, I guess first just ask what

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Speaker 1: of like more material consequences of it, if that's all right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as an abortion worker, this has been an

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Speaker 3: incredibly difficult year, and that's that's with the context that

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Speaker 3: things were not good before. Yeah, last June twenty fourth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, things were not good before then, so

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Speaker 3: you know, we were we were really running up against this,

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Speaker 3: this this impending decision that we knew was going to happen,

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Speaker 3: and then it ended up happening, and then it was

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Speaker 3: really horrible, And honestly, it's been horrible every single day since,

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Speaker 3: and it's just gets more horrible every single week. And

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Speaker 3: that's you know, I sound so negative saying that, I know,

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Speaker 3: but I just know that I'm saying that knowing that

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Speaker 3: there's so many amazing people who are doing like abortion

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Speaker 3: incredibly heavy year for us. We've we've seen, we've all

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Speaker 3: witnessed a lot in the last year, and we're all

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Speaker 3: carrying a lot and it's.

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Speaker 5: It's just hard.

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Speaker 3: And I'm really grateful for everyone that I work with

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Speaker 3: and that I'm in community with, but it's it's been traumatizing.

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Speaker 5: I know that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really easy to say. I think like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is traumatic, and that's traumatic, But I

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Speaker 3: don't know what else, what other word to use to

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Speaker 3: having had witnessed everything that we've witnessed in the last

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Speaker 3: year and to know that there's no end in sight.

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Speaker 3: It is incredibly traumatic. It's like a national trauma. We're

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Speaker 3: all sharing it together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I guess we should get into sort of

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Speaker 1: what the things that you've been seeing have looked like.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the best ways to do this,

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Speaker 1: because it's gotten so much harder and so much more dangerous,

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Speaker 1: very rapidly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, things have changed a lot in the last year.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, if we're if we're starting from when

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Speaker 3: even though things were getting worse before that, because you know,

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Speaker 3: for example, there was the ban in Texas that started

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Speaker 3: I would say on September first, twenty twenty one. But

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Speaker 3: like if I mentioned a state, you know, just it

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Speaker 3: This was just this was a really bad day for

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Speaker 3: So now when you look at a map, which I

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Speaker 5: You, and.

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Speaker 3: You know there there are resources available where if you

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Speaker 3: funding exists, Clinics and service providers will bend over backwards

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Speaker 3: much more money, Like everything is just so much more

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I can talk more about like what that process

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Speaker 3: And luckily there is people. There are people there to help,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I guess, well, okay, two things.

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Speaker 1: One I want to I want to start the abortion

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every every dollar matters. Yeah, And and I know

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Speaker 3: that I feel like a lot of leftists sometimes get

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Speaker 3: abortion foot donating to an abortion fund, because like they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this this is not radical, but abortion funds are the

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Speaker 5: To do that.

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Speaker 3: That's an incredibly brave thing to do, having to fly

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Speaker 5: Is there for people to do that because it is expensive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking to something like two or three thousand dollars, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: can you person listening to this, could you right now

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Speaker 2: Right? And the answer is probably not.

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Speaker 1: But and you know, and there's a there are like

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Speaker 1: Like that is a shit tone of like that that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's something really bleak about the

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Speaker 1: autonomy are dependent on having money. But that's basically where

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Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a part of me that like doesn't

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Speaker 3: want to lean in and like I mean, like you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a socialist.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be like, oh, you know, money, money, money.

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Speaker 3: But like that is the only reason people are getting

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad because otherwise I would not be able

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Speaker 5: And I can like.

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Speaker 3: Talk out that process too, like you know, what does it.

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Speaker 5: Look like now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's yeah, let's actually go through this.

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Speaker 3: I want to start off with like, but it what

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Speaker 5: At your appointment. And you know, the calls were.

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Speaker 3: We're all human beings who need health care. Like, you

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Speaker 2: To find time off too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know, Like I just I said

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Speaker 3: healthcare appointment. And you know, just just outlining how much

438
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: someone has to do to get to an appointment, there's

439
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: even a couple other factors to consider too, because a

440
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: lot of these people who are having to fly or

441
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: drive these long distances to their appointment, they would have

442
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: never been in that situation otherwise. So you know, these

443
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: are individuals who have never flown on a plane before,

444
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: maybe because like they've just never been in a.

445
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 5: Situation in which they needed to fly on a plane.

446
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: They've always been able to drive to like vacations and everything,

447
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: like you know, like, oh, family vacation, you drive maybe

448
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: like four hours, and you know, you have fun, and

449
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: you just don't want to go on a plane.

450
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 5: It makes you nervous. That's a lot of people live

451
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 5: like that.

452
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, these people have no choice, like, oh,

453
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: you have to get on a plane and otherwise you're

454
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: gonna have to drive twelve thirteen hours. So they get

455
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: on a plane and they're scared because they've never done

456
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: it before, because they're already stressed out that they're going

457
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: to a doctor's appointment. They're already stressed out that they're

458
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: relying on basically strangers to get them there, which is

459
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 3: that's like a whole other topic is like you have

460
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: to rely on strangers, and that's you know, people shouldn't

461
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: have to do that. And then also you have to

462
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 3: navigate an airport. So a lot of my job has

463
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: become looking at maps, Like I'm looking at a map

464
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: like how far away is this someone from a clinic?

465
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: How far away are they from an airport? You know,

466
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: can they go here? Can they go here? But I'm

467
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: also on the phone with people kind of describing how

468
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: airports work, like here's what airport security looks like. People

469
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 3: are afraid of TSA, and I don't blame them. I

470
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: fucking hate TSA. They're always passholes.

471
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: Fuck them. They make everything worse.

472
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: You got to go through TSA and you gotta yeah,

473
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: I gotta know how to get your tickets, and you

474
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: got to know how to where, you know, to get

475
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: to a terminal. A lot of people don't, like if

476
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: you've never flown before, they might not know that they're

477
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: supposed to get on that little training you know, you

478
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about, Like you will train, you

479
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: go to your terminal, and like a lot of people

480
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: don't know that, and all of a sudden they have

481
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: to find out really fast and I have to explain it.

482
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: And that's part of their abortion care. Part of people's

483
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: abortion care is now talking them through an airport, and.

484
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 5: That that has sucks.

485
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: That's become like the daily experience. That's become the daily

486
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 3: experience where it's like, yeah, six years ago, these used

487
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: to be like Okay, I'm gonna bookr appointment. You're going

488
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: to come in. Your appointment's going to be maybe like

489
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 3: I don't know, five hours and then you and then

490
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: you leave and you drive home, and maybe you're only

491
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: driving like thirty minutes, maybe an hour, maybe two hours.

492
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: And now we're having people who, you know, flights or

493
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: it's a twelve hour drive, who are a flight there,

494
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: who are a flight back. The flight lands at like midnight,

495
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: you know, like and then your kids are in bed, and.

496
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 5: It's like it's so.

497
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: Much, and you can see why people give up, and

498
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: people are giving up. In fact, the numbers are the

499
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: numbers are hard to hear. I know that there was

500
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: a study that showed that in the first six months

501
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: after the DABS decision, thirty six thousand people who wanted

502
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: an abortion couldn't get one. And that is only in

503
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: the first six months, So I'm sure that that number

504
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: is much I'm like dreading seeing new numbers, but I'm

505
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: sure the number is much higher now. So when you're

506
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: faced with all of this, people do give up because

507
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: it is too much, which is the whole point of

508
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: all of the bands and everything that's happened. The point

509
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: was to make people give up. And I think that

510
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: a lot of leftists maybe don't want to acknowledge that

511
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: people are giving up. They want to believe that people

512
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: will keep trying and they'll find those resources and they

513
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: will get to the appointments because help is available, but

514
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: not everyone finds the help that is out there, and

515
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 3: not everyone can make it work. Like there's a lot

516
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: of reasons why people can't do this ridiculous thing I

517
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: just described. And then as abortion care workers, we see

518
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: them give up. And I think that's kind of been

519
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: the biggest one of the biggest changes for me is

520
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: just how often I see people give up and just

521
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: having to witness that because it's like, well, what does

522
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: it mean when someone gives up? What does it mean

523
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: when someone stops trying to get the healthcare that they're

524
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: looking for? They're changing their entire plans, like, you know,

525
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: because like everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people

526
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: have like ideas of what they're doing with their life,

527
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: and they're like, I want to have this many kids,

528
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: I want to have them at these times, and I

529
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: want to be with this person, or I don't want

530
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: to be with anyone, and I want to work this

531
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: job and go to the school or whatever. You know,

532
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: You're making plans and then all of a sudden, because

533
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: of this situation, you have to change your plans. And

534
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: there's even worse things happening than that, But I think

535
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: that that's bad enough, is that you can't get what

536
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: you need and you just have to just change your

537
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: life and accept defeat and take a path that you

538
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: did not want to take. And it's fucking sad, and

539
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: it's more than sad sad as an understatement, I don't

540
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: know what word it is. It's horrible because this has

541
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: been taken from them, The choice has been taken from

542
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: them completely, and that's that is going to have effects

543
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 3: that we are going to see for decades to come.

544
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 5: And that's kind of.

545
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: Hard to wrap your brain around, Like what does it

546
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: mean for that ten and tens of thousands of people

547
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: to not have had the health care that they need.

548
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: It means that we're going to see like the negative

549
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: health effects for years to come because that is a

550
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: lot of people. That is a lot of that's a

551
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: lot of people, and that's going to impact people in

552
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: really long term ways for a really long time. And

553
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: knowing that is really I don't know, words are kind

554
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: of failing me. Yeah, it's like it's like beyond traumatic,

555
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: beyond Yeah, I'm sure there will be studies in years

556
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: from now I'm sure, but like it's been a year

557
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: and I can say, like it's those it's gonna the

558
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: data is going to be really bad. The data is

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: going to be really bad based on everything that I've

560
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: already seen.

561
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: So suffering is not something you can quantify.

562
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: And you know, the amount of human suffering that's been

563
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: unleashed by this is, yeah, like one of the worst

564
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: crimes that's happened in the century, full of like unspeakable crimes.

565
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: And the suffering looks different for each individual, you know,

566
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: like because it's just the whole, the whole, it's autonomy.

567
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: You're losing control over your life and your body, and

568
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: your family and your and there's just so many things,

569
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: and it looks different for each person. So for some

570
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: people it's like you have to just fucking change everything

571
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: that you're fucking doing. You can't control your life or

572
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: your body. And then for other people it can be

573
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: even worse than that.

574
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: Where where you are you're.

575
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: Risking death because pregnancy is incredibly dangerous. So there are

576
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: people who who are putting themselves in really dangerous situations

577
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: with their pregnancies and they're being denied the care that

578
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: they need. So you see people who are being forced

579
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: to risk their life because they can't get the care

580
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: they need, and people are losing their body parts, and

581
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: they're for tis because recently I read a story and

582
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: then there's these horror stories every day, which I like,

583
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: I read them because I want to know everything that's happening,

584
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: but I also am so resentful that like every day

585
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: there's like a new like horror story about these services.

586
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: But recently there was someone there was somebody who wasn't

587
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: able to get timely abortion care it had to continue pregnancy,

588
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: ended up losing her uterus, even though she did not

589
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: she wanted to have more kids. She like wanted to

590
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: continue having children, so all of a sudden, because she

591
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: couldn't get an abortion, she couldn't continue to expand her

592
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: family in the way that she wanted. Sterilized effectively, Yeah, exactly,

593
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: Like yeah, so it's the suffering is so different for

594
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: each individual and so intimate to them there, and it's

595
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: it's going all the way up to like just like

596
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: state mandated, just like body horror basically, and and it's deadly.

597
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: It's really deadly, which is hard to talk about.

598
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, just having said that, should

599
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about Gabriela Gonzalez and how

600
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, the other thing about abortion care is that

601
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not just that pregnancy is dangerous physically, it's that

602
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: pregnancy like pregnancy is really dangerous socially because you know,

603
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: we live in an incredibly patriarchal society and that means

604
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: patriarchal violence is a real threat.

605
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is always this Unfortunately one component of

606
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: abortion care is it often involves interpersonal violence or more

607
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people say domestic violence, and

608
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: it's because a lot of partners will try to control

609
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: someone through through pregnancy and it's a tactic of abuse

610
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: that that does come up. And if somebody does get

611
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: pregnant while they are in that kind of relationship, and.

612
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: That's that's a big thing.

613
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of times they it makes sense

614
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: that if they're trying to get away from someone that

615
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to continue the pregnancy. So

616
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: and then that might be something that the partner might

617
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: be intimately involved in where either they know about it

618
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: or they don't know about it, and if they know

619
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: about it, they could be pressuring the individual. It's unfortunately

620
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 3: something that is often a component of this healthcare is

621
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: that that is a factor that the person seeking healthcare

622
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: is dealing with. So in terms of and all of

623
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: this is I'm like, this is all really really triggering

624
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: stuff too, and so trigger warning. But with Gabrielle A Gonzalez,

625
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: that was something that happened. I think it was in

626
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: it was in May. I remember it was in mid May.

627
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Because the news hit. It hit hard for us for

628
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: like a lot of abortion care workers and practical support

629
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: you know, advocates, because it's the thing that we we

630
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: try so hard to keep our patients safe when they

631
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: disclose things to us, you know, they we the patient

632
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: safety is the number one priority. And the fact of

633
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 3: the matter is these bands make it harder for people

634
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: to access the services safely. So in the case of

635
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: Gabriella Gonzalez, I just want to say her name. She

636
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: was a mother of three children. She was twenty six

637
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 3: years old when she was murdered by her ex partner

638
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: after she accessed an abortion in another state. So she

639
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: was located in Texas, she had to travel to Colorado

640
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: to get an abortion and when she came back, unfortunately,

641
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 3: she was murdered by her ex and just like a couple,

642
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: just like a couple of things on that is. It's

643
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 3: just if you are trying to be discreet and you're

644
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: trying to you know, take care of your healthcare, it's

645
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: hard to keep things private if you have to fly

646
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: to another or drive to another state.

647
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 5: It's just this situation is is just so.

648
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: Much more complicated than it would be if you could

649
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 3: access those services at home or near where you are.

650
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: It's easier to keep that information private, it's easier to

651
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: handle that situation in a timely way.

652
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: So I feel like, I mean, our.

653
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: Country is failing everyone pretty much, but I am torn

654
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: apart and devastated, and this news hit so hard to

655
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: learn about Gabriella Gonzalez and what happened to her, and

656
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: knowing that, you know, we try so hard to keep

657
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: our patients safe and being careful about communications, being careful

658
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: about what we hand patients, even like there are some

659
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: times like it's like, well, I cannot give you any handouts,

660
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: So here's how we're going to provide you the information,

661
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: because it's you know, people can't even have that information

662
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: on their phone or or in their purse on their person,

663
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: and trying so hard and then just having like the

664
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: state defy you in every way, and and it's just

665
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: really it's trapping people in the in this these violent

666
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: situations that you say, I mean, these situations have always existed,

667
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: but ever since these abortion bands went into effect, it

668
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: is made them even even more dangerous.

669
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, you know, and I think in

670
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: terms of just sort of getting at what the people

671
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: who support this stuff believe, like they know about this,

672
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: like this is this is what they want to happen, right,

673
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: like this is you know, this is this is what

674
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: this is what this is what it actually means to

675
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: have an ideology that's based on patriarchal control.

676
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: Is this ship yep?

677
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: It's this like this is this this violence and that

678
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: like this kind of coercion is what they want. These

679
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: are all so you know, like again these are there's

680
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: a reason. These are also people who want to end

681
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: out fall divorce, right like they like their entire ideology

682
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: is based on men being able to inflict violence, yep.

683
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: And and you know, and these are what pro life people.

684
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: And you know, gabriel A Gonzalez was a mother of

685
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 3: three children. She was a mother and her children needed her.

686
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: And now she's gone, And and I feel like the

687
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: abortion bands and the like the the demolition of abortion

688
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: services in the United States has led to this situation

689
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: and will continue to lead to more situations like this,

690
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: and they're all devastating and and I hate it. I

691
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: just it's fucking awful. It's so fucking bad. And I

692
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: know that, like, like where do I go from there?

693
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: After saying like the in the world, and then yeah,

694
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I guess, I guess. The

695
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: thing I can say after that, right, is like, if

696
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: you want to live in a world that is not

697
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: just utterly controlled by the most evil people who've ever

698
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: lived by, you know, that is defined by enormous entries

699
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: of human suffering, like these people their politics, to logistical

700
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: support networks, their parties, like the entire political apparatus that

701
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: is doing it needs to be completely destroyed, like like

702
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: raised to the ground in a way that it like

703
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: literally can never recover. And that is the thing that

704
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: is possible, right, It is possible to completely destroy political movements.

705
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: It is possible to just drive them so far underground

706
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: that people forget they even existed. And you know, and

707
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: then that has happened to movements before that were you know,

708
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: as powerful.

709
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: As this one. So it can be done.

710
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: It's just it requires, you know it, it requires a

711
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: level of political will that most that you know, politicians

712
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about because this is not something

713
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: that affects them.

714
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: And speaking of politicians not giving a shit, going back

715
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: to like, you know, the initial reflection on like you know,

716
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: it's it's been a year since Roe v Way was

717
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 3: overturned in the Dobbs decision, and what has happened, Like

718
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: what have the politicians done to alleviate all of this

719
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 3: suffering that you know, I've been talking about, And it's

720
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: it's very little. Like the biggest win that we've had

721
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: is mif A pristone not being banned, which is horrible

722
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: because like, oh and then that was that whole yeah,

723
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: than that whole step, but that's like a whole other thing.

724
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: But that is such a blique win, especially since it's

725
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: not even gone and we're going to see this issue

726
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 3: come back with mif A pristone. And and that's another

727
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: thing too, because if that does happen, like missapriostal is amazing,

728
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: and MISA pristal is very effective, and taking these prostile

729
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: only for abortion is effective. But it's also more symptomatic

730
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: and given just like you know, like we were talking

731
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: about people like just people being exposed to violence, people

732
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: having to act doing just like moving mountains and having

733
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: to cross mountains and go on a journey to get

734
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: these abortion services and literally what can be often a

735
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: thirty minute to an hour appointment if you're you know, lucky,

736
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: it's not always like that. But anyways, like these services

737
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: aren't complicated, like you know, like it's not like a

738
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: like these y, yeah, we have the technology, like like

739
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: to get medication, you just go and you get the medication.

740
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: They tall you how to take the medication, and they

741
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: make sure they can prescribe you the medication you get it.

742
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: It's not like that can be like a fifteen minute appointment.

743
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: And then if you're if you're like under a certain

744
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: gestational age, a first time master abortion can be only

745
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: like five minutes. Like this this is not complicated healthcare.

746
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: This is very simple healthcare. And you're adding all these

747
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: extra factors in so when you're when you have to

748
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: prescribe someone in medication that is more symptomatic, which is

749
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: just adding like it's just one more complication and.

750
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: The attack on abortion services.

751
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Has always been death by a thousand cuts, and this

752
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 3: is just like one more cut that we really really

753
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: do not need.

754
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 5: So but that was a win.

755
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: And and and it's like that is such a shitty win.

756
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: And then you have some states that are becoming like

757
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: sanctuary states where they're like, you know where I hate

758
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: I hate saying that word.

759
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.

760
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to say sanctuary states because it's really

761
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: not that. But they're saying like, we're a safe place

762
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: for you to get an abortion and we're never we're

763
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: always going to have abortion services. And it's like, what

764
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: does that mean if you have so many patients traveling

765
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: from other states that you're booking five weeks A.

766
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, well they won't And it's like they won't fucking

767
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 6: fund it, right, Like, yes, this is the thing that

768
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 6: like I'm just like unbelievably fucking angry about, right, is it,

769
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 6: like you know, dobbs In in terms of just the

770
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 6: raw sort of politics of it, Right, in terms of

771
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: pure getting votes, this is the best thing that's ever

772
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 6: fucking happened in the Democratic Party.

773
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: Right.

774
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: They have been reaping the fucking electoral rewards for this,

775
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: and what have they been fucking doing for fifty goddamn years,

776
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: like nothing, right, and this and this is the thing

777
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: that like, Okay, you know, if if if you look

778
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: at the way the right has been like fucking dealing

779
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: with this, right, it's at every single step, right, you know,

780
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: they they're constantly involved in lawsuits. They they're they're constantly

781
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries and doing literally whatever they can within

782
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: the within and without the bounds.

783
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: Of the law.

784
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 6: Right.

785
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about the sort of vigilante campaigns, right,

786
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: but like you know, like doing things like like like

787
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the one of the classic ones

788
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: is requiring like facilities that do abortions to have like

789
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: a specific length of hallway or like like with a

790
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: different Yeah, and like they've been doing all this fucking

791
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: legal bullshit to make it as hard as as humanly possible.

792
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: Right, is there a democratic version of this?

793
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: No? No, they fucking they came to the height of

794
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: min like even even the states to have the ship

795
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: like they're they're not fucking funding it, right, They're not

796
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: fucking paying like they they're ship that they could be

797
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: doing and they just they don't care because this is

798
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: this is a you know, this is a very nice thing.

799
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: They can trot out in their fucking fundraising meetings and

800
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: they can get people to vote for them, but they're

801
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: not gonna they're not gonna wage this kind of campaign

802
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: that the Republicans have been like, they're not gonna wage

803
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: a pro access campaign on the scale at all, right,

804
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna not gonna wage we on the

805
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: scale the Republicans have been doing to like make sure

806
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: that you fuck can't get these services.

807
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like these blue states they're not safe. And

808
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: there's like the ridiculous that there was like stockpiling mesapostal

809
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: or whatever some states were saying they were doing. And

810
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: it's like, if you're really looking out for people and

811
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: you're really trying to defy these awful human rights violating laws,

812
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: then send the medication to band states.

813
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I help patients.

814
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: In band states, like don't abandon Texas, don't abandon Louisiana

815
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: and Mississippi, like help them, and because like where are

816
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: they going? They're going to blue states. Like there's like

817
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: there's like a ripple effect. And I feel like I

818
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: talked about this last time when I was on talking

819
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: to you Where Okay, you can't get these healthcare services

820
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: near you, so you go somewhere else, and the people

821
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: locally can't get those services, so then they have to

822
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: travel further. And there's like this ripple effect to the

823
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: point where like I'm sure that like blue states are

824
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: seeing more appointments than ever, and I know for a fact,

825
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: like here in Pennsylvania, here in Pittsburgh, where literally we're

826
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: seeing we're always seeing people in Ohio just because they'll

827
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: even though abortion is legal in Ohio, it's just there's

828
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: a lot of restrictions there, so it's a little tricky.

829
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: But then there's like West Virginia and like Kentucky and Tennessee,

830
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: and you're seeing so many more patients, so you're booking

831
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: out further. And it's like if you're let's say you're

832
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: eight weeks and you find out, so if you're eight

833
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: weeks pregnant, then you're you've only missed your.

834
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: Period like for like a couple of weeks.

835
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: It's really like, you know, you can find out you're

836
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: a weeks running.

837
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 5: You're like, you just found out, really.

838
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: And you call somewhere near you to get an appointment,

839
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: but the appointment is five weeks away, so all of

840
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: a sudden, you go from eight weeks to thirteen weeks,

841
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: It's like what the heck? Yeah, like it's totally different options,

842
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: Like and that's happening in blue states, and it's like,

843
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: so this is impacting literally everyone, but no politicians or

844
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: even like big talking heads are really doing anything about

845
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: it because it just gets worse. There's just more bands constantly.

846
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: And I want to talk a bit about this the

847
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: sanctuary bullshit too, because I like this is like the

848
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: third fucking issue that we've seen politicians be like, oh,

849
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: we're a sanctuary state. It's like, yeah, okay, Like I

850
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: remember when I was doing fucking anti ice raids stuff, right,

851
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: do you know how much time we fucking spent trying

852
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: to stop raids like ice raids in saying in quote

853
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: unquote sanctuary states, Like it's bullshit.

854
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: It's always been fucking bullshit. They don't mean it, and you.

855
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Know, like all of the fucking like this is the

856
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: sanctuary state thing is just like a thing that they

857
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: fucking say so that they can you know, just sort

858
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: of like like rally their based support and like build

859
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: towards whatever presidential run they're going to do in twenty

860
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: Like thirty two whatever, and it doesn't. It's not it's

861
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: not helping people, and it's just not going to Yeah.

862
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 5: It's not.

863
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: It's it's not a strategy that works. And I mean,

864
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: it's just entirely selfish. It's it's it's it's rage inducing

865
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: because it's you know, how do I feel as an

866
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: abortion worker. You know, it's been a year since Roe

867
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 3: v Way was overturned, and I have to witness all

868
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: of this needless suffering and trauma and people's safety being

869
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: compromised and people being hurt and people giving up, and

870
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: and then these politicians are not doing anything. I am

871
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: so I'm full of so much anger that it's it's

872
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: sometimes numbing, Like sometimes I'm so angry that I kind

873
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: of feel nothing like it kind of like it's like

874
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: it's so far down the spectrum that I like just

875
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: it just turns into like a non emotion basically, like

876
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: so much anger that it's blinding and feels like nothing.

877
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: And I don't even know what.

878
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: I don't even know what to do with it other

879
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: than focus into just like continuing to provide healthcare. Where

880
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I'm so angry and I'm so mad,

881
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: and I feel so terrible. I am going to make

882
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: sure that this person gets an abortion. Like that's what

883
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: I can do. I can, I can get people to

884
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: an appointment, and I don't I want to do more.

885
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: I want to go and and just like raise everything

886
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: to the ground and be like like you were saying,

887
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: but I can't be the only one doing.

888
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 5: That, like we all have to do ye, Like we

889
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: all have to raise.

890
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: Everything in the ground because this is so untenable and

891
00:47:53,560 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: so unfair and and is creating such a huge ripple

892
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 3: of suffering that we're all going to be experiencing for decades.

893
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 5: And I'm really bitter about it.

894
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm super angry and super bitter, and and it's not

895
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: going to get better too. It's it's not I have

896
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 3: to be honest about that, because if I'm not, then

897
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be prepared. But we're going to

898
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: continue to see these bands, they're not going away right now.

899
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: Then if a person issue is going to come back

900
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 3: and and we're going to keep seeing it and it's spreading,

901
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: and you know, I know that that's like a whole

902
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: other topic too, but the ripple effects are really immense,

903
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: and every time someone is hurt, well, every individual.

904
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 5: Like when I heard that thirty six thousand number, that

905
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 5: really hurt.

906
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I know how many patients I've

907
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 3: seen in the last year, and it is it's less

908
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: than thirty six thousand. So like, I'm happy every time

909
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: I help someone, I'm so happy, and I'm like, yes,

910
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: you know, I helped this person get healthcare.

911
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 5: I'm really happy.

912
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: And then I look at that thirty six I was

913
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: a number, and I'm like, oh my god, there are

914
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 3: so many other people who were not able to find help,

915
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: and I'm and I don't like, like I said, like

916
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: I don't even feel good when someone is like thanking

917
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: me and they oftentimes people will say people will say

918
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: to me, I hear this almost every day. You have

919
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: no idea how grateful and thankful I am. And it's like,

920
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: I really don't. I don't know because I'm not in

921
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: your shoes, and I feel I'm and I'm sorry that

922
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: I that you had to come to me like this,

923
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm sorry. I feel I'm so sad in like

924
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: such a deep visceral way that when someone is saying

925
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: like you'll never know know how thankful I am that

926
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: they just weren't able to go to their local doctor's

927
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: office or even have the medication mail to them and

928
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: and have it like come in like two days and

929
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: just take it and follow up with the doctor on

930
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: the phone if needed, you know, something super simple which

931
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 3: would make sense.

932
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 5: And I'm just I'm I just I hate it. I

933
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 5: fucking hate it. I just keep coming to that. I'm like,

934
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 5: this is so bad, this is so bad. I want

935
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 5: to keep doing it, but it sucks.

936
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk more about this next episode, and

937
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: also how the things that we're seeing in abortion care

938
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: have been spiraling out and spreading to other sectors of

939
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: the healthcare system, including trends healthcare. But in the meantime,

940
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: we have an enormous number of links to different abortion

941
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: funds and various abortioned worker groups who also need your support.

942
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, please support them. And yeah, so that that's

943
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: going to be the next episode is because again again

944
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: like this this isn't a you know, once you have

945
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: like an evil like this has been unleash into the world,

946
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't just stay in one place, right, keeps moving,

947
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: It keeps going after different people, it keeps expanding, and

948
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: it keeps just rippling through the world. And so when

949
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: we're talking about that, we're gonna be talking about yeah,

950
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean the fights that abortioned workers

951
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: have been having. And then we're gonna we're gonna we're

952
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: gonna give you a brief bit of hope at the

953
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: end of what you can do, because like, fuck it,

954
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: the world does not need to be like this, Like

955
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: this is not you know, I mean, there's there's the

956
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: old David Graber lines like that is the ultimate hidden

957
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: truth of this world, is that it is something that

958
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: we make and could just as easily make differently.

959
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 5: Let's do it. Let's make it different.

960
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's fucking do that. It's not let's not let's

961
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: not make a fucking immense engine of human suffering. Yeah,

962
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: before we go for this episode, Uh, do you have

963
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: stuff that you want to plug in terms of like

964
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: abortion fund links, in terms of resources.

965
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So I know that I was talking about

966
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: just abortion funds in general. So find your local abortion fund,

967
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: go to abortion funds dot org and you know whatever

968
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: your local abortion fun support it.

969
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 5: And if you feel like you.

970
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: You know, your local abortion fund, like you've been supporting

971
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: them or they get a lot of support and you

972
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: want to support maybe like funds elsewhere that are doing

973
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: doing the good work. Then I would recommend the Texas

974
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: Equal Access Fund, the T Fund in Texas. They are

975
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: being so amazing and I love them. And also I

976
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: know that the Chicago Abortion Fund is a huge fund,

977
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: but I just I love them so much, so I

978
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: just they can't have enough money.

979
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 5: Just go donate to people. They're so amazing.

980
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: So Texas Equal Access Fund, the T Fund, the Chicago

981
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: Abortion Fund, They're doing such important work. So you know,

982
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: if you if you're looking for someone outside of your

983
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: local abortion fund which you should be supporting, then also

984
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: check them out as well.

985
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Crystal, thank you so much for joining us.

986
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow. We will be talking more

987
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: about this. We'll be talking about what you can do,

988
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: and yeah, until then, donate to your abortion funds and yeah,

989
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: make make make the lives of the people who did

990
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: this fucking miserable and destroy their political power. Yes, it

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