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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music,

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Speaker 2: and more. I really bit into the annunciation on that one.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with your compressors trying to tame my natural exuberance.

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Speaker 3: Machines can't cage me.

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Speaker 2: Where are your two camp counselors of crap that really

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter?

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Speaker 3: I'm Alex Heigel, and I'm Jordan run Talk and Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Today we're going to be talking about one of the

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Speaker 2: great cult hits from the turn of the century, a

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Speaker 2: little slice of life summer camp comedy that was made

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Speaker 2: for pennies and then just made pennies and then went

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Speaker 2: on to become one of the most widely loved comedies

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Speaker 2: of its era. That is right, folks, we are talking

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Speaker 2: about wet Haught American Summer. You can turn off right

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Speaker 2: now if that movie's not your jam, because I subscribe

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Speaker 2: to the If you don't like this movie, than if

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Speaker 2: you don't, I can't convince you otherwise. Right, But it's

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Speaker 2: a great movie, and it's hilarious, and I think This

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Speaker 2: has been so much fun learning about just the process

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Speaker 3: But it's a polarizing film.

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Speaker 4: Wait, what was the especial, Like if you don't like

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Speaker 4: so and so.

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Speaker 2: It was it's actually no, well it's it's I get

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Speaker 2: it from Talladegan Knights, which is like one of the

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Speaker 2: like they're going through bloopers of all of his sponsored

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Speaker 2: content and he just goes, if you don't like Big.

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Speaker 1: Red, oh yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Like I've seen, like if you don't like Thin Lizzy,

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Speaker 3: you owe this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. That was it. Yeah, okay, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know I.

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Speaker 3: Missed this movie when it came out, Like a lot

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Speaker 3: of people.

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Speaker 2: It was the summer of two thousand and one. Steely

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Speaker 2: Dan had performed on this day show in May. I

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Speaker 2: was just as hopeful about everything as every other rube

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Speaker 3: And then it all changed.

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Speaker 2: And I'm referring, of course, to the release of Glitter

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Speaker 2: by Mariah care.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, most of my summer camp experiences were with

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Speaker 2: The Boy Scout and sorry, Dad, I know you listen

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Speaker 2: to these, but except for shoot Getting to Shoot twenty two's,

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Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was for you, father.

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Speaker 4: I got to shoot crossbows at my scout camp shouts

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Speaker 4: the camp split rock.

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Speaker 3: That's sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that ruled.

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Speaker 2: I actually have like one of my most hilarious like

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Speaker 2: cringe fail memories is from one of these summers, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were like, archery is a thing, right, so you

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Speaker 2: could get your archery merit badge, and so they I get.

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Speaker 2: They had some guy who must have been like a

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Speaker 2: historical reenactor or even just like a garden variety archery

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Speaker 3: So they had like it was like a special assembly.

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Speaker 2: They were like, oh, we have this art guy's gonna

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Speaker 2: do an archery oh oho, he's gonna do archery bhah.

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Speaker 3: Historically accurate long bow.

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Speaker 2: And they set up this target like twenty feet away,

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Speaker 2: twenty five tops, and we just watched this guy go

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Speaker 2: through a quiverfool, not even approaching the top, with the

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Speaker 2: don't want to understand. You don't understand about the long

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Speaker 3: So that was that's very fair.

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Speaker 2: It's like the sun was setting behind him It was

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Speaker 2: just like vermally sconced in my memory of like, this

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Speaker 2: is what it looks like when adults fail, And now

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Speaker 2: I'm on the other side of it, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's so goddamn funny. But I can't shoot an arrow,

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Speaker 2: or at least I know enough about myself to not

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Speaker 2: volunteer that in front of a bunch of preteens. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: and sign up for abject humility.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Were you a good shot with the twenty two?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually, very good?

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Speaker 2: Me too, Yeah, yeah, I kind of wish I still

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Speaker 2: had one for many reasons.

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Speaker 2: I told you I downloaded a VPN so I could

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Speaker 2: google ghost guns. Right, that's not legally binding. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Anyway, what was I talking about?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wet, hot American summer, When hot American summer,

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Speaker 2: great film, Summer of two thousand and one, Everything looking up,

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Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, et cetera. Yeah, so, but like when I

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Speaker 2: Hot after all this, and I was just like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is that same style of like absurdist surreal humor.

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Speaker 2: But it just is like such a mortant even more

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, man like, the non animated comedies

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Speaker 2: That's wild, and none of those films involved a protracted

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I came to this movie really late too. It

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Speaker 4: Strangers with Candy thrown in there too, sure, and rewatching

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Speaker 4: It walked so that I think you should leave, could run,

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Speaker 4: like I feel like, I oh sure. It was like

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Speaker 4: kind of outlandish absurdis grotesque comedy. That's really interesting because

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Speaker 4: so they haven't even taken into like Tim Robinson was

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Speaker 1: He's probably older than us. I think he's probably like

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Speaker 3: That's crazy anyway.

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Speaker 2: The point is that nobody could have predicted that that

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Speaker 2: I mean even when you look at like I really

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just I don't remember the plot at all.

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Speaker 3: All there's no plot. It doesn't matter, right, it's all

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Speaker 3: singular moments. No, it doesn't matter. Plot is in plot

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Speaker 1: Though it is incredible that really it's hard to do.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because like how does it strike your sapometer?

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Speaker 3: Like you love sap.

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Speaker 2: You're like a squirrel or a pecking bird that loves

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I obviously it probably comes in those

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Speaker 4: just I liked the mocking. Somebody recently, for reasons that

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Speaker 4: I it mocks the inherent sap that sustains me, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great, I need that. I need that, I need

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Speaker 4: to be punctured. But it also does bring up some

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Speaker 2: Me, which I know, Yeah, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 4: So, like, I was way too much of a whimp

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Speaker 4: But then my my aunt got me a trip to

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Speaker 2: Here's everything you didn't know about Wet Hot American Summer

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Speaker 4: Oh you you know what I was thinking of. I

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Speaker 2: Uh maybe anyway, other guys from the state who turn

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Speaker 2: That is something that happened to David Wayne when he

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Speaker 2: what lends this film. It's sort of like borsh Belt sensibility,

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Speaker 2: comedies that we often think of, like Meatballs and Little Darlings.

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Speaker 4: It's like jailbait style and yeah, this is really where

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Speaker 4: But the slogan is the bet is on whoever loses

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Speaker 4: Well, David Wayne and Michael Showalter paired with an independent

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Speaker 4: three years. The initial script for Wet Hot American Summer

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Speaker 4: Visual gags like a whipan over to Morgan Freeman and

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Speaker 4: you do that part, I'm disowning you. Instead, the scene

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Speaker 4: Funding started to trickle in when names like Janine Garoffalo

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Speaker 1: With Banks and Amy Poehler.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Bradley Cooper showed up for the sequel, though,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. He's actually kind of funny about this.

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Speaker 1: Clearly resemble him.

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Speaker 2: He's clearly like he's clearly been willing to play ball

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Speaker 2: and a shed. But like among us, the more people

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Speaker 2: I already did this interview, Like there's a there's one

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Speaker 2: of these oral histories that literally said. Bradley Cooper declined

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Speaker 1: I could see him shown up for this any day

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Speaker 4: a New York City performance of the play and You

441
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 4: Are Not Making This Up Sex aka Wieners and Boobs,

442
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 4: which was written by and Start David Wayne, Michael Scholwaltz,

443
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 4: and Joe.

444
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: David Wayne gave me the script for.

445
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 4: Wet Hot American Summer not long afterwards. Read told he

446
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 4: Entertainment Weekly in twenty eleven, and he remembered it as

447
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 4: the funniest script I'd ever read. He modeled his character

448
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: of the distinctly dickish Andy camp counselor Andy on Matt

449
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: Dillon in Little Darlings the movie mentioned earlier, right down

450
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 4: to the bandana in his back pocket.

451
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah.

452
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 4: Also, he had a dw I'm not sure I got paid.

453
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding. If I did, I would have gotten

454
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: the very minimum. But it was such a small production

455
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 4: and stuff falls through the cracks. David Wayne in The

456
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 4: Familiar with Amy Poehler from her work in New York

457
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: City's sketch comedy incubator team, The Upright Citizens Brigade, which.

458
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: Probably around the same time was a show on Comedy Central.

459
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I forgot they had a show.

460
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've just been like such a briefly.

461
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: They've been such a predatory institution in the New York

462
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: comedy scene for me for years of like completely unpaying

463
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: labor and paying in prestige and access and all that stuf.

464
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: So it's funny to imagine them as like scrabby little upstarts.

465
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, but both Elizabeth Banks and Bradley Cooper

466
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 4: came up organically in the casting process. Banks was a

467
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 4: cocktail waitress and Cooper, as you mentioned earlier, was studying

468
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 4: at the Actors Studio drama school, and he said he

469
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 4: ended up missing his graduation ceremony because he was shooting

470
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: wet hot. There's a some episode of Inside the Actors

471
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 4: Studio with James Lipton where when they go to the

472
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: audience at the end and take questions, He's like, what.

473
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: It was, Robert de Niro, Oh was it DeNiro.

474
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: It's like an incredibly bright faced little Bradley Cooper acting

475
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: about like talking about like acting, talking about like how

476
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: an actor prepares. And again there's a great Chris Maloney

477
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: story about this coming up.

478
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 4: Oh right, yes, I do remember that Elizabeth Banks actually

479
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 4: auditioned for the role that went to my beloved Marguerite Moreau,

480
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: and vice versa. She said, I had a callback later

481
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: that day and there was this really serious dude in

482
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 4: the back. This is Marguerite Moreau remembering the Details magazine,

483
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't think that went well.

484
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: That guy didn't laugh at all. And it turns out

485
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 4: it was Wet Hot producer Howard Bernstein. I talked to

486
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 4: him later when we were at the camp the day

487
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 4: in my audition. He had been on his way to

488
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 4: a funeral and just dropped in for the casting.

489
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: And it's such a hilarious thing to discover later, like, yeah, man,

490
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: I kind of thought you hated me.

491
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: He was like I was, I was on my way

492
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: to the funeral.

493
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

494
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: back with more too much information in just a moment.

495
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Speaker 2: Uh, wet Hot Maloney, I've been You've been asking the people.

496
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: Nobody asked for it, but it's here. I love Christopher Maloney.

497
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: My mom is a big Law and Order fan, so

498
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: I just grew up watching him and it was such

499
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: a pleasure to like discover that he was on.

500
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: OZ and he's this like he's just like a.

501
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: Really lovely guy, you know. And my personal story with

502
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: him is when, oh, I know this well, so when

503
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: David Wayne and I can't remember if Shoe Walter was involved,

504
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: but David Wayne made a romantic comedy parody called They

505
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: Came Together with Amy Poehler and Paul Rudd that, much

506
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: like Wet Hot, was so successful in appearing to be

507
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: the thing that it was skewering that people like flew.

508
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: Under the radar.

509
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure it flopped, but it's a very

510
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: funny movie and Chris Maloney is in it, and so

511
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: I got my chance to like interview him. This was

512
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: in I think twenty fourteen, so I was so pretty

513
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: green to interviewing, you know, big name celebrities. And it

514
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: was clearly like he was in the middle of a

515
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 2: junket and he was clearly tired, but he was very

516
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: very kind to me and and I just it was

517
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: I would off on the wrong foot because I was like,

518
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, lavish praise on him and everything,

519
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah.

520
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: But at one point I was like, you can get

521
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: confused with.

522
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: That guy Elias Codias, and he goes he where I

523
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: could even get out, he goes Elias Ktaeus. Yes he's

524
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: actually a friend of mine. So he kind of shut

525
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: me down on that one. But he did tell me

526
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: this really funny story about they were in uh, they

527
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: were filming Law and Order in like Grand Central at

528
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: one point and someone shoved a copy of The Thin

529
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: Red Line at him, which is a movie that is

530
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: a Terrence Malick movie that has Elias Kotaus. It is

531
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: ensemble cast, and because when he goes yeah, so I

532
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: just took it to him and signed my name on

533
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: it and gave it back. And just like for this

534
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: he seems like the best he's he's I mean, yeah,

535
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: I think he like people have like come around to

536
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: him because he got like some different starring vehicles and

537
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, this guy's like hilarious and has a

538
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: really great sense of humor despite being this like playing

539
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: this hard ass TV detective. But it took a while

540
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: for I think people to understand that side of him.

541
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: And the point that I'm making is he is som

542
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: funny in both of these movies. And he had just

543
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: wrapped his first season of SVU when he went to

544
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: film this, and he'd been coming off of HBO's OZ,

545
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: and he was like a decade older than everyone else

546
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: in the cast. So it's just so funny to me that,

547
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: like he rolled in there fresh off OZ in Law.

548
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: And Order SVU and was like, I will hump this fridge.

549
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: And you know, he told Entertainment Weekly he said, to

550
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: be honest, some stuff about the script I didn't understand,

551
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: and some stuff I thought, that's so fucking out of bounds.

552
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: It's got to play. And he recognized Michael Showalter at

553
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: his audition and said I'd bumped into him at a

554
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: chess shop. I'd played chess with him. My first thought

555
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: was I shouldn't have beaten him.

556
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: I think, I wonder if it's a chess shop down

557
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: in Granwich.

558
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: Village on Thompson.

559
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he mentioned that in a different interview. Yeah.

560
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the other thing too.

561
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: There's like seven oral histories of this movie, so they're

562
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: not interchangeable and details has the best one if you care. Also,

563
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: there's a making of documentary that's about an hour long

564
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: with a lot of like on set camera footage that's

565
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: just incredibly endearing because it's everybody having this hilarious time

566
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: in their lives in the middle of this stygy in hell.

567
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: So he said of his character Gene, the camp chef

568
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: with issues, he said he someone read Gene in front

569
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: of him and he was like, oh man, that guy's

570
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: got it totally wrong. Like I didn't, And he says,

571
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: I didn't think of the character as bombastic or threatening.

572
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: I saw him as kind of a whacked out, cuddly rambo.

573
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: I grew that facial hair out for four months. I

574
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: didn't shave, I gained weight, I didn't get as chunky

575
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: as I wanted to. I did the do rag intentionally

576
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: to have my ears stick out and give me an

577
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: elfin quality. Everything had a purpose. It was very clear.

578
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: And again I think it's because I understood Gene. So

579
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: this is faus here, like I don't think so, I

580
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: really don't think. So, it's just I mean maybe I

581
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: don't know, but so he's in, he's in. They came

582
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: together and He is an equally hilarious character in that

583
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: and the reason I keep bringing him up in relation

584
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: to that movie not only because I got to talk

585
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: to him and blah blah blah. But Michael Showalter, in

586
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: one of these oral histories, tells this story that does

587
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: that I don't think made it into wet hot, and

588
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: he says, when I was a camper, I needed to

589
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: make a number two and had to walk a quarter

590
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: of a mile to get to the bathroom. When I

591
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: crested a hill, I could see it one hundred yards away,

592
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: and the excitement made me go to the bathroom in

593
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: my swim trunks. Michael Showalter actually talks like this, I

594
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: was probably ten years old, and at that time of

595
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: your life, there is nothing funny about that.

596
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: That is a life or death situation.

597
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: So I hid my bathing suit in the woods under

598
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: a bunch of bushes and went back to my bunk

599
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: and chained and took a shower. But a bunch of

600
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: my bunk mates found the bathing suit. I denied that

601
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: it was my bathing suit, but they were like, your

602
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: name tag is sewed into it. I said the most

603
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: ridiculous lie known to man, which is someone must have

604
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: stolen my bathing suit, took in my bathing suit, and

605
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: then hid it in the woods. And I'm insulted that

606
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: you would think that that's not what happened. That joke

607
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: appears virtually unaltered in They Came Together, but with Christopher

608
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: Maloney as the butt of it is he's at a

609
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: costume party and that exact situation happened. So it's just

610
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: so funny to me that this guy is like Oz

611
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: veteran actor who's played this hard ass like famous for

612
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: like abusing suspects because he just cares so much. In SVU,

613
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: this guy was so moved by being on Wet Hot

614
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: that he would return years later for another David Wayne

615
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: project and submit himself to being the butt of this

616
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: ridiculous joke that they had thought was not worth including

617
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: in Wet Hot and recycled thirteen years later. A champion

618
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: among men, he is yes, yes, and this is my

619
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: last and what no, this is not my last?

620
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 3: Sorry.

621
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: My penultimate point about Chris Maloney, he goes before his

622
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: big monologue at the end of the film, which was

623
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: actually filmed his first day on set. Oh wow, he

624
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: was standing around holding a map to the camp because

625
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: they were filming on an actual camp and the locations

626
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: all needed to be spelled out. So he's sitting around

627
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: looking at a map, waiting to film, and in his words,

628
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper sidles up next to me and he says, hey,

629
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: do you mind me asking what you're doing. I look

630
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: at him and go, what do you mean? He goes,

631
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: are you looking at a map of Vietnam? Remembering where

632
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: your character came from? He thought, I was like looking

633
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: at this map to get some kind of inspiration or

634
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: get to the moment by my sense memory work. I

635
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm looking at a map of the campground.

636
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: It's like, poor, sweet earnest little Bradley Cooper, man, are

637
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: you doing?

638
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: Are you doing? Is this from what page of unactor prepares?

639
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: Is this from? It's probably being like I just got

640
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: here and now you.

641
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: Listeners at TMI will also know exactly how Christopher Maloney's

642
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: last day on the set of Wet Hot American Summer went,

643
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: and it was all Jeanine Garoffalo's fault. Apparently, her dogs

644
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: came to this entire shoot with her and they did

645
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: not have boundaries, and they followed her to Chris Maloney's

646
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: room one night, eyebrows raised. I think in his quote,

647
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: he's like, and Janine just wanted to yap late at night,

648
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: and one of these dogs dove into his sleeping bag

649
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: with him completely covered in mud, and he just like

650
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 2: got up, packed his things and drove back to New

651
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: York City.

652
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: Jenny Crawler goes. She remembered, I'm.

653
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Walking after him, going, are you serious? Are you seriously angry?

654
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm already sensing this is not funny. My stomach has dropped,

655
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: and you know when people are angry and they're really

656
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: really quiet. Chris just walked right to his car, drove

657
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: back to New York and Chris Money's final word was

658
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: I love Jeanine, and I'm a dog person. I'm just

659
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: not a muddy dog person. That's my Maloney section. I

660
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: want to tweet this at him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he

661
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: was just so nice to me, you know, because I

662
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: asked Hi about his bit part in Fear and Loathing

663
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: where he's like the hotel clerk.

664
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Speaker 3: And they do that.

665
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: That's him.

666
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's like a baby faced Chris Maloney.

667
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: And I've been to a round by a fair large

668
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: cross section in pople and now, yes, it's my t.

669
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: So I had to I don't believe it is.

670
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: And I asked him specifically about it, and he was like, Oh,

671
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: that was just like a fun shoot to be on,

672
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: you know. And he was like, I actually really would

673
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: have loved to have read for the Johnny Depp part

674
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: because I'm a fan of Hunter S.

675
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: Thompson.

676
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: But he was just very gracious about me asking for

677
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: like literally a thirty second scene in a completely different movie.

678
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: I had no idea that was him. Oh my god.

679
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, other New York City comedy folks that fill out

680
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: this cast include Judah Friedlander eventually of thirty Rock, and

681
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: I think at this time, other than being a comic,

682
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: was best known for that Dave Matthews video he did

683
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: where he's just walking around hugging random people that even

684
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: as a child, revolted me at its cloying sincerity. A

685
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: guy named Ady Miles, who's one of those that guy

686
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: comedy actors. You'll see him in and go, oh, that guy.

687
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: And he's been Jimmy Allen's head writer for like almost

688
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: ten years running, moved with him when he got Tonight Show. Anyway,

689
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: this slightly better than ragtag ensemble cast contributed to the insular,

690
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: close knit feel of the film and it's deeply weird sensibility.

691
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: David Wayne told CinemaScope, we didn't have to emulate anybody

692
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: else or connect to some committee's a sense of humor,

693
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: and we were coming out of doing The State, which

694
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: was a show that we made inside a bubble. We

695
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: weren't coming from Second City or the Groundlings or anything

696
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: like that. But despite all that, this is not an

697
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: improvised movie. I mean, he let people kind of play

698
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: with stuff for maybe a little or let cameras roll,

699
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: like I think Molly Shannon. In Molly Shannon's one scene,

700
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: really she's like the all the campers are consoling her

701
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: through her divorce, and she's like the one kid starts

702
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: massaging her and she's like, Aron, oh that's good, that's good.

703
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: It's so wrong. But that was nad lib that she

704
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: was like, and he would let me go with that.

705
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: But the rest of this was, like Mike Weam Black

706
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: was like, this script was locked in. When your budget

707
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: is that small and you have to make your days

708
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: and you're fighting the weather, there is not time to

709
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: fit around. So it's unbelievable as it is the entire

710
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: stupid his words, the entire stupid spectacle of that movie

711
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: was scripted.

712
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: Also, there were a ton of interesting alternate casting choices

713
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: for this movie, mostly because it took so long to

714
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: get out of development hell and raise the funds Mary

715
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 4: Louise Parker, Amanda Pete, Dan Castanetta voice of Homer Simpson,

716
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: and Sam Rockwell, we're all at different table reads or calls.

717
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: Billy Cruddup, who's an old friend of David Wayne's from NYU,

718
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 4: is also thanked in the credits, as is leave Shreiver

719
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: for as Wayne puts it, in the grand tradition of

720
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 4: first time independent filmmakers, you thank everyone who's ever said

721
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: hello to you. During the process of making the movie.

722
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Speaker 4: The movie was filmed at Camp Telnada.

723
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: Oh Taowan Taowandawanda Close Now the movie was filmed at

724
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: Camp Towanda in northeastern Pennsylvania, not far from the New

725
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: York state line.

726
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: In May and June of two thousand, Ginny Garoffalo was

727
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: surprised to find Hank Azaria, another Simpsons veterans name, on

728
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: a plaque at the camp, so she called up her

729
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: former Mystery Men co star and in Hankazaria had attended

730
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: camp Towanda between ages six and fifteen, calling those years

731
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: quote some of.

732
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: The happiest of my life.

733
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: He's mentioned by name as a former camper in the film,

734
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: alongside former Prime Minister of Israel David kuria Is.

735
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: I think the roll call the end and they just

736
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: said they wanted to throw every possible random name in there,

737
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: including David Benker.

738
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: In the most obvious grand irony possible. It rained nearly

739
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: every day of the twenty eight day shoot, and it

740
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: was so cold that many scenes were moved indoors, which

741
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: created weather continuity errators in the background, which contributed to

742
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: the film surrealistically untethered relationship with reality.

743
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: Beautiful way to write that, Oh thank you.

744
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: In some of the outdoor scenes that remained in the

745
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: final film, the actor's breath can be seen.

746
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: It was May. Yeah.

747
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing about like hard to not

748
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: take it personally.

749
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

750
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, although having been on a boy Scout camping trip

751
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: in April that was canceled because we got a torrential

752
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: f blizzard, snow, nightmare rain, freezing rain situation that will

753
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: happen in Pennsylvania.

754
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, save in New England.

755
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: These conditions were especially hard on Elizabeth Banks, whose bikini

756
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: based costume left her shivering between takes. She told it

757
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly, my favorite outfit is the red bikini top

758
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: that I wear in the opening, and that almost didn't

759
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: happen because it was so cold that I put on

760
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: something else. Then we took this van ride out in

761
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: the middle of the woods and there was this huge

762
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: bonfire and it was so hot. I actually remember going

763
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: back to the costume designer and saying, I'll wear the.

764
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: Bikini, but she continued. I did a lot of scenes

765
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: on the lake, so it was.

766
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: Very much like, Okay, we're going to go out on

767
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: the lake. It's seven thirty in the morning, it's forty

768
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: degrees out. You're going to wear this bikini, and then

769
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: we're going to get on a boat and drive around.

770
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: So the wind's going to be whipping and water's going

771
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: to be spraying up on you from this freezing cold lake.

772
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: But honestly, I couldn't complain because there were people in

773
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: the water. There were like water skiers and stuff, so

774
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: I was not complaining. The cast also lodged in and

775
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: on the camp's facilities as well, which was not particularly

776
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: pleasant either. Chris Maloney said, they literally set you up

777
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: on these circa nineteen thirty eight bed springs with a

778
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: one inch thick plastic mattress, if you want to call

779
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: it that.

780
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: There was mud everywhere.

781
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: You didn't take off your clothes because you're not going

782
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: to be comfortable anyway. You just laid out a sleeping bad.

783
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Everything was muddy, Everything was damp. Other people talk about

784
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: they had planks running over the ground, like you know,

785
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: to walk on and not be submerged in inches of mud.

786
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: David Hyde Peers, who plays the astrophysicist, as a tremendous

787
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: He's very funny. I didn't know this about him and

788
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: all these orld histories. He's hilarious. His quote was it

789
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: felt like the Korean War more than a summer camp.

790
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Amy Poehler managed to one up him with the following quote.

791
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: What we thought was going to be this healthy, outdoorsy,

792
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: activity driven movie turned into a dark, Irish indoors Eugene

793
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: O'Neil play. Molly Shannon was only there for a few

794
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: days of for filming her scene in the Arts and

795
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: Crafts building, but most of that audio had to be

796
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: replaced because the rain was so loud on the roof outside.

797
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

798
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: Cole's cutting measures also extended to gasp the craft services

799
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Speaker 4: like Away on Black explained it d details it contracted

800
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: the actual people who make food for the camp to

801
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: make food for us. And you know, pizza bagels every

802
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 4: day when you're eleven is a dream. When you're thirty

803
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: and it's pizza bagels every day, you want to kill somebody.

804
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: David Wayne two Grafts later in that oral history, said

805
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: they staged the mutiny and forced us to bring in

806
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: food from a restaurant. Amy Polar remembered that the camp director,

807
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: whose name was Mitch Writer, not to be confused with

808
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 4: Mitchrid of Mitch Writer in the Detroit.

809
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: Wheels, spelled a different way. Yeah, a different way.

810
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 4: I was charged with protecting the property from this isolated

811
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: group of hard party and comedy nerds who were in

812
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: their thirties.

813
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: He was kind of pissed off that we were there.

814
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: Polo later told The Entertainment Weekly, as he should be,

815
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: because he made a terrible decision to let us come

816
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: there before he had the open camp, so he was bummed.

817
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: He became that guy.

818
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: We were all like, oh God, don't let him see

819
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: us do this. It was like the ultimate authority figure.

820
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: Now having ten years behind me, I can only imagine

821
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: how difficult his job was, having to be the buzzkill

822
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: in terms of making sure that nobody was throwing their

823
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: cigarettes in the grass of this beautiful camp. Juela Tuggio

824
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 4: recalled that the gentleman also banned gum on the set,

825
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: and he was understandably not thrilled either when the cast

826
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: lit fireworks off on the beach volleyball court.

827
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 2: Details was one of the only outlets that actually tracked

828
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: this guy down to get his side of the story,

829
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: and it.

830
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: Turns out he was probably right.

831
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: Literally saved the film's opening scene, which is of course

832
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: set to the Jefferson starship Classic Jane.

833
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: It was pouring, everyone was in the middle of the woods,

834
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: and no one on this crew could start a fire.

835
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: So, as writer recalls, I was actually in my office

836
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: and I heard them on the radio they couldn't get

837
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: the thing started. I went down there and said, listen,

838
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm a camp director, would you like me to start

839
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: the fire. I had slipped one of those fire starters

840
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: up my sleeve and I stuck it in the pile

841
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: and I lit it, and of course it lights because

842
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: it's waterproof, and I got a nice standing ovation and

843
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: they shot the scene and eventually everyone went to bed.

844
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: They liked me that night. Oh well, nobody could begrudge

845
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: this guy his frustration. As he said, they were here

846
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: until about ten days before the kids showed up. Everything

847
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: was inside out and upside down. I would find mess

848
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: hall chairs and tables in the woods. They were probably

849
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: shooting a scene, but they never put the stuff back.

850
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: They were supposed to stay in a restricted area, but

851
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: I suppose some people weren't told or weren't paying attention

852
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: to the instructions, and they really were destroying our property.

853
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: And I definitely got upset. I would say it took

854
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: three years to recover from some.

855
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: Of the mud damage.

856
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, his attitude is even more understandable when you

857
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: read again only in details. Folks that production showed him

858
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: the script before he agreed to let them film there,

859
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: which is kind of a courtesy measure you do when

860
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: you're doing location stuff. You say, hey, here's the script.

861
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: You know, I hope that you're okay with having your property.

862
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: He's name associated with this, of course, David Wayen later admitted,

863
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: I think we may have forgotten to put some of

864
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: the scenes in the script.

865
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Speaker 3: When we showed it to Mitch, do.

866
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Speaker 1: You think it was intense enough?

867
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: Of course? And so writer continued.

868
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Speaker 2: We were promoting this and making a big deal out

869
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: of it with all our campers. We kept talking about

870
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: it and talking about it, and when the movie came out,

871
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: we never mentioned it again and everyone saw the film.

872
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: I got a couple of humorous emails from parents saying

873
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: we now understand why. And then, to add one last

874
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: final insult to injury, he remembered my scene with my

875
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: wife was cut after Howard the producer guy got angry

876
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: with us for yelling too much.

877
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: Ah, that's cold savage. Unsurprisingly, this damn the Torpedoes approach

878
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: extended to the rare bits filmed off site.

879
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: Like the count lists are narcic.

880
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: Foray to Town, there's a hilarious bit of oral history

881
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: editing by details where cast member Zach Orth plays JJ

882
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 4: says I assumed they had all the necessary permits and

883
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: crowd control and everything, and this was followed by David

884
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 4: Wayne saying, without.

885
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: Question, we did not.

886
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: It was definitely a situation where we had to say, Okay, look, team,

887
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 4: here's what we're doing. We're going in the van. We're

888
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: gonna run around town. We're gonna get the shots. We

889
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 4: can't really stay anywhere for long because we'll get kicked out.

890
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 4: And we probably should have mentioned this earlier.

891
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: This was David Wayne's directorial debut.

892
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: Souh, yeah, reconsider everything that we've told you see it

893
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 4: through that lens now.

894
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

895
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: Why he said he had he had an ad who

896
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: was a little bit more experienced, but he was like,

897
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: this guy was literally telling me, well, first you say

898
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: roll sound, then you say roll camera, then you say action.

899
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: Aside from being part of the glorious before times, before

900
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 4: the Internet, laptops and smartphones were ubiquitous, which we've commented

901
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: on before in Super Time.

902
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: But in Scream particularly, I think that's the one that

903
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: I remember the most famous because even what's his name,

904
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: the spas Matthew Lillard, was like, yeah, man, people used

905
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: to people used to hang out on movie sets before.

906
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: Now it says, everybody goes back to their chair and

907
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: stares at their phone.

908
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

909
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 4: But because this was the before times, the isolation of

910
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: boredom forged strong bonds, which were helped along by the

911
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: casts ever present partying.

912
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Here's a weird TMI guarantee I fact checked Amy Poehler's

913
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: disparate memories of this time. In two separate oral histories,

914
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: she remembers Ken Marino having a portable TV set and

915
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: bringing that up is like the only instance of technology.

916
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: That they had.

917
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: They were like, there was a crappy phone that we

918
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: used to call back and check in New York, but

919
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: there was nothing else. Ken Marino had a portable TV

920
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: that was like the height of technology, and Amy Poehler

921
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: remembers him quote running around the hallway crying after watching

922
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: an episode of Er. Now, she remembers it in one

923
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: interview as being Clooney's last Er, but wet Hat was

924
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: filmed across May in June of two thousand and Clooney's

925
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: last episode of Er, not including return cameos, was in

926
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: the series fifth season, which.

927
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: Aired from nineteen ninety eight to nineteen ninety nine.

928
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: Now, both Entertainment Weekly and Details ran oral histories celebrating

929
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: wet Hot's tenth anniversary in twenty eleven. EW's ran in May,

930
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: while Details ran in September. Amy Pohler correctly remembers to

931
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 2: Details that Marino's crying jag was precipitated by Juliana Mark

932
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: Gooley's last episode of Er, which she remembers because Marino

933
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: was yelling, she went back to Clooney. She went back

934
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: to Clooney while again crying. That episode Such Sweet Sorrow

935
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: was aired on May twenty eighth, two thousand, as part

936
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: of the show's sixth season, and is therefore indisputably the

937
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: episode that made Ken Marino cry on the set of

938
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: Wet Hot American Summer Hugh Entertainment Weekly. Not that they

939
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: had fact checkers then or even when I worked for them.

940
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Yes I did work there, and yes I was laid off.

941
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: This is a personal Evandeta or is this a desire for.

942
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: Trude Well, heaves both.

943
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: You know it was snapchat that got me laid off

944
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: there actually, but you know, uh oh yeah, sorry, speak

945
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: of Ken Marino, just some fun details about his character.

946
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: He told details. I immediately went.

947
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: To meat Balls, the movie Meatballs, and I.

948
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Was like, I want to be the guy with a

949
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: jew fro So I went to the local wig shop

950
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: off Hollywood near Vine and got a fro wig. That

951
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: was my big contribution. I think I also insisted on

952
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: birkenstocks and cutoffs. I wanted my pockets to show. That

953
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: is a deeply era specific memory.

954
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: Dude.

955
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: Even my beloved father was rolling around in some cut

956
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: offs with the pockets hanging out in well into my youth.

957
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: Really wow.

958
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was his painting clothes, a full range of movement, nothing,

959
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: not much to stain.

960
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: Paining clothes. Oh man. Well.

961
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: Paul Rudd recalled it was like being in summer camp

962
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: and everybody hung out with everybody.

963
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: It was the only thing I've ever worked on.

964
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: Where people would just watch scenes being shot, not so

965
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: much to support because it was just really fun.

966
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: So there was a very communal feel to the whole thing.

967
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: And if somebody wasn't working, they would make the run

968
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: in the town, which is about a half hour away

969
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 4: and get all the beer and stuff for that night.

970
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: It was a really fun experience. We all knew it

971
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 4: at the time. It was like, Wow, this doesn't happen

972
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: a lot. Amy Polar echoed that sentiment. Even when I

973
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 4: was shooting it. I remember thinking, this is the most

974
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 4: fun I will ever have making a film. I never

975
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: went to summer camp. Imagine being in your thirties and

976
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: being told you have one last chance to go to

977
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: summer camp. Only this time, you're with the funniest people

978
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 4: around and you're getting paid.

979
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: What's that like?

980
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: But not sorry, All of the positive vibes came solely

981
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 4: from friendship.

982
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: It was a seven nights a week party. David Wayne

983
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: told EW of his cast and cruise debauchery. The line

984
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: between being at summer camp and making a movie about

985
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: it was very gray. The biggest difference was that we

986
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: were a little older and nobody was going to take.

987
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: Our beer away.

988
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Janine Garoffolo, Woman after my Own Heart, added, I was

989
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: drunk ninety percent of the time.

990
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: I'm being very serious. I don't drink anymore.

991
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: I was always punctual and I always knew my lines,

992
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: but it was freezing and raining every night, so I

993
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: put away.

994
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: A lot of whiskey.

995
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: Garofflo and many others also admit that these conditions created

996
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: a lot of quote bunk hopping among the cast as well.

997
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: I think meg Waian Black goes I could speak to

998
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: the phrase bunk hopping, but I won't. Even David Hyde Peers,

999
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: who was only on hand for two weeks of shooting,

1000
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: remembers having a good time, even if his relations with

1001
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: the rest of the cast may have been slightly skewed

1002
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: because he was pulling down like a half a million

1003
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: dollars an.

1004
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: Episode for Fraser. At this point, Paul Rudd recalled.

1005
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: We would all hang out in the infirmary and it

1006
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: was David Hyde Pierce's first night, and he was in

1007
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: his room, which was right down the hall, and we

1008
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: were making a.

1009
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: Lot of noise.

1010
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: Finally, about midnight, he walks into the room and we

1011
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: all stopped because we thought, oh god, he's going to

1012
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: tell us to keep it down. David Hyde Pierce did

1013
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: ask them that, but not before Ken Marino diffused the

1014
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: situation by yelling, Oh great, it's Frasier. David Hyde Piers

1015
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: says to Details, it was really hard to find scripts

1016
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: that weren't basically Niles Niles Crane, the character he played

1017
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: in Fraser. I read the Wet Hot script and I thought,

1018
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: this is really funny if these guys know how to

1019
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: play the material. There's a scene where I discover that

1020
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Skylab is going to come crashing down on the camp

1021
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: and I have the line, oh fuck my cock. When

1022
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: I first read it, I thought, okay, that, weirdly is

1023
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: one of the greatest lines I've ever read. Correct And

1024
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: it is He described his mustache as a rental, though

1025
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: sadly it was not natural Hyde peers.

1026
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: Natural Hyde Peers no.

1027
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: GMOs inexplicably cost seven dollars more at your grocery store.

1028
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 2: The film's campers were played by mix of real camp

1029
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: twanda attendees, local extras, and the worst among us professional

1030
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: child actors. However, as filming wore on and the parents

1031
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: learned of the exact nature of the material their children

1032
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: were being exposed to, As zach Orth said, their numbers

1033
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: certainly dwindled as their parents.

1034
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: Realized not only what was going on, but just sort.

1035
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: Of the drudgery of it. They were like, daff this,

1036
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to take him to a real camp. David

1037
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: Wayne then added, there were basically ten of them. We

1038
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: just kept shuffling them around at every shot. There was

1039
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: one scene though, for which David Wayne spared no expense,

1040
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: No expense, no expense, the tender love scene between Radley

1041
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: Cooper and Michael Ian Black's characters. From the beginning, the

1042
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: entire point to those two characters arc was to subvert

1043
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: what people would have expected.

1044
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: From a movie like Wet, Hot, cheap gay jokes.

1045
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: Essentially, Wayne said, we like the notion that the only

1046
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: sort of real and powerful and intimate sexual moment in

1047
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: the film is between two men, and that extended to

1048
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: filming it. It was something I talked about with Ben Weinstein,

1049
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: our director of photography, from moment one. This is the

1050
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: one scene where there is no time limit. Let's take

1051
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: this time and really light it, really make it beautiful.

1052
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: It's also one of the only two scenes that we

1053
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: built a set for because we wanted to have the

1054
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: space to move the camera around and really get it right.

1055
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: Michael Ian Black did feel, however, that he was slightly unprepared.

1056
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: In a great quote, he says, neither of us had

1057
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: made love to a man before. There was no technical assistance.

1058
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: You'd think there would be. In fact, the kind of

1059
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: penetration I performed on Bradley, I don't know if it's

1060
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: actually physically possible.

1061
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: Christopher Maloney is a follow up to that.

1062
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to give them tips from Oz, but I thought,

1063
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not going to jump in the game.

1064
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him work it out for themselves. And

1065
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: also Maloney, I just feel that there was a little

1066
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: more reciprocation between the Fridge and myself than there was

1067
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: between Cooper and Black. What I think I'm saying is

1068
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: that the refrigerator had a wider emotional range than Cooper.

1069
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: I just hope he really hates Bradley Cooper. Yeah, yeah,

1070
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: that's so much funnier than just a bit. He just

1071
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: really sincerely hate Bradley Cooper's cloying, theater kid energy.

1072
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: The other thing that united the crew was the moment

1073
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: was Skylab makes his climactic drop into camp. There was

1074
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: only one prop maid, so everyone had just been looking

1075
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: at this thing dangling from the crane until that moment.

1076
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: We did have any money to build it.

1077
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: Production designer Mark White said, so he went to home

1078
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 4: depot and just bought a bunch of crap and put

1079
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: it together. And we tried to make it as sturdy

1080
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 4: as we could. But I remember a lot of the

1081
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: conversations were like, can it be on fire? No, it

1082
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: can't on fire because then we'd have to bring the

1083
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: fire marshal. Plus it's made out of rubber and plastics.

1084
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: Pretty good, honestly. There were two maybe actually kind of

1085
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 4: dangerous stunts in the film. One was the kids in

1086
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: the rapids while there were tethered, did their point in

1087
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: the river and had a safety team in the water.

1088
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: They were still quite close to the edge of the

1089
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 4: actual waterfall down river, and they had a hard time

1090
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: getting the child actors look anything other than hysterically jubulant

1091
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 4: in the moment. Zach Orth remembered, I heard that about

1092
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: stand By Me. Rob Bryner couldn't get them upset enough,

1093
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 4: so what he did was actually make them upset in

1094
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: real life and then roll the cameras.

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00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: David didn't do that. He was like, okay, fine, we'll

1096
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: shoot around it.

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00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 4: The other one was the we've only got one take

1098
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 4: for this van crash.

1099
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: Which actually I was thinking about when I was watching this,

1100
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 5: which is literally just a stunt driver ramming the van

1101
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 5: into a tree of forty miles an hour, well basically

1102
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 5: just wearing a slightly beefed up seatbelt.

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00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: Kem Marina remembered the guy came out and was really

1104
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 4: shaken up. But stunt guys are really cool. There's this

1105
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: unspoken code, but they're not allowed to admit with it.

1106
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: They're hurt.

1107
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: So he came out and put his arms over his

1108
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 4: head and then he just walked in the other direction.

1109
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 4: I think he got the wind knocked out of him.

1110
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 4: Julotuzzio's added, no one said anything because you're told that

1111
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 4: the stuntman and the sunt coordinator needed absolute quiet immediately

1112
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 4: after so they could see if he's okay, and of

1113
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 4: course he was.

1114
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: And there was this eruption of like, hell yeah.

1115
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: It's funny too, because he talks about not being able

1116
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: to see it actually being filmed, but just hearing this

1117
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: old ass van like slowly ratchet up, like.

1118
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: Just to get up to a whopping forty.

1119
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: Miles an hour.

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00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, what's that like? Do you think have

1121
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: you ever been a head on collision or a moving collision?

1122
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: Oh? No, no, thankfully, have you?

1123
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: I rolled a truck once and I was lucky to

1124
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: escape alive, but never had an airbag.

1125
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: Go off on my face? Do they do?

1126
00:52:59,600 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: They?

1127
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: They had to have had the airbag right, because that's

1128
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: like those older models, like before they had collapsible steering

1129
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 2: wheel shafts.

1130
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: They'd just impale you.

1131
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, but wait, let's go back to that a minute

1132
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: about rolling the truck.

1133
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, Pennsylvania has this stupid thing called a

1134
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: Cinderella license where you can if you're like a certain

1135
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to drive past eleven I.

1136
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: Think basically two Massachusetts.

1137
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: Yah, yeah, under eighteen, I think yeah, or it's like

1138
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: it's like until a year after you've had your regular license.

1139
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: It was after a show that my high school band played,

1140
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: and I got roped into giving someone I did not

1141
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: bring there or had any emotional stake into bringing them home.

1142
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: And it was ten forty five at night and I

1143
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: was trying to get speeding along a back road driving

1144
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: a big Dodge Ram filled with you know, bansh and

1145
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: just started fishtailing and rolled the truck and got out.

1146
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: And my first thought was, maybe this will be fine.

1147
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: Whe the wheels are on the ground, I would have

1148
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: just driven it away.

1149
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I might have tried to.

1150
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, We'll be right back with

1151
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages, So obviously we

1152
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: have to talk about these sounds of the movie other

1153
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: than Jefferson Starships Jane, which, as I mentioned, soundtracks, the

1154
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 2: indelible opening sequence I am, of course referring to Higher

1155
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: and Higher, the pitch perfect pastiche of an eighties pop

1156
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: song that would have made it into one of these films. Soundtracking,

1157
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: the training montage show me the Fever into the fire,

1158
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: taking it higher and higher, nothing to fear, its only desire,

1159
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: taking you higher and higher. I believed that that was

1160
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: the entirety of the lyrics, but I was wrong. There

1161
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: is another verse that says ending is near, the future

1162
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: is brighter, taking you higher and higher. Be a believer,

1163
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: a spirit igniter taking it higher and higher. Anyway, song

1164
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: whips crazy enough. I had no idea until I was

1165
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: doing this that it was written by Shudder to Think

1166
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: frontman Craig Wedren. There's not really much reason that someone

1167
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: who wasn't as invested as I am in the DC

1168
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: post hardcore scene Washington DC.

1169
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: Of course, they would no shutter to think.

1170
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: They were on Discord, which is the record label that

1171
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: was started by Minor Threat and Figazzi frontman DC era

1172
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: stalwart Iatan McKay.

1173
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: They formed in.

1174
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: The mid eighties, like their first song was released in

1175
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, but like throughout the late eighties and

1176
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: into the early nineties, they benefited from the whole rising

1177
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 2: tide lifts all boats of American alternative music of the era.

1178
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: They toured with Fugazi. They also toured with Smashing Pumpkins.

1179
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: But what you didn't know is that Craig Wedron of

1180
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: the band was like best friends with David Wayne since,

1181
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 2: in his words, as a toddler, Wedron wrote that song

1182
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: with a guy named Teddy Shapiro, but he told the

1183
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: forward quig Regrind did that We've literally been working together

1184
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: since we were toddlers. Him and David Wayne, he said,

1185
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: we used to do it in our parents' basement, and

1186
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: now we do it for Netflix. Wedron and David Wayne

1187
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: also went to Jewish summer camp together and then met

1188
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: the rest of their sort of the State buddies and

1189
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: different people in college. Wedron moved to DC after being

1190
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: in NYU to joined Shutter to Think. He actually wrote

1191
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: the theme song for the State, and when he said

1192
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: he had like the kind of the same reaction as

1193
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: everyone else did when they were working on this soundtrack.

1194
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: He said, when Teddy Shapiro and I were working on it,

1195
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: we kept looking at each other like are we crazy?

1196
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: Or is this movie groundbreaking and going to change comedy completely?

1197
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: Both is the answer.

1198
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: Budron told Consequence of Sound in two twenty fifteen that

1199
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: he wanted to actually put this stuff out as a

1200
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: complete soundtrack, but they only recorded snippets when they were

1201
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: originally putting it together. Quaig Radrin and David Wayne went

1202
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: to Jewish Summer camp in Waterville, Maine from nineteen eighty

1203
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: to nineteen eighty five. He said, in nineteen eighty they

1204
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: were ten years old, and this is a consequence. There

1205
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: was a first year of summer camp and they were

1206
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: listening to Glasshouses by Billy Joel, Emotional Rescue by the

1207
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone, Rolling Stones, Panorama by the Cars, The Game

1208
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: by Queen, which is quite funny. A movie called Times Square,

1209
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: which I don't know anything about, but has like the Ramones,

1210
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: xtc Patti Smith, the Cure, Garland, Jeffries, He's different new

1211
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: wave bands, and so he said that was all going

1212
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: into kind of what they were listening to at the time,

1213
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: and that went into the mix tape. When he was

1214
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: creating the soundtrack to this. He said he hadn't revisited

1215
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: the music for the original one since having to or

1216
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: before having to do the Netflix reboot first d at camp,

1217
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: but he did say there were times over the years

1218
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: when I did revisit it because Higher and Higher became

1219
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: this weird cult hit. It was never released, but people

1220
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: would ask for it are other songs online and we

1221
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: would just send it for them or license it, but

1222
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: he said, but it was never far from us, and

1223
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: we would often joke about how our high watermark was

1224
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: a novelty song, a joke of a song remained fifteen

1225
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: years ago called Higher and Higher, and we still have that.

1226
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: He said.

1227
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: When the movie landed flat on its ass upon release

1228
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: and was so quote roundly, uniformly and universally lambasted by critics,

1229
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: we thought maybe we were crazy, which he actually said

1230
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: was kind of akin to being and shudder to think,

1231
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: because he said, I thought we were making extraordinarily special music,

1232
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: and a lot of people really hated.

1233
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: It, he said.

1234
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, he said, of the Wet Hot American Summer

1235
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: title track, he said, I remember I was surprised at

1236
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: how unresponsive David was to that song because I thought

1237
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: it was a slam dunk. And he also said, interesting,

1238
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: David is a drummer. David Wayne is a drummer, and

1239
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: the snare sound in that title track is so terrible.

1240
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: He said.

1241
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: We were making all this music in our apartment and

1242
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: we didn't have any money, and he grabbed one clean

1243
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: snare hit, literally one from ac DC's Highway to Hell

1244
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: and cut and pasted it throughout the song.

1245
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: David Wayne.

1246
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: Actually, this is something Craig Wadgron said, David Wayne.

1247
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: His dad was a radio guy. So they had a

1248
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: two track, a.

1249
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: Real real tape machine, drum kit, couple amphires, beta cam video,

1250
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: cassette recorder, and quote all of David's mother's old discarded

1251
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: wardrobe from the sixties. So that's day we would have.

1252
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: They would have band practice down there. They would film

1253
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: these little short videos. About six months after wrapping filming,

1254
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: in January of two thousand and one, Wayne and some

1255
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: thirty cast and crew members traveled to Park City, Utah

1256
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: for the traditional Sundance Film festival Fellatio and begging Rich, No,

1257
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: that's being mean. That's where you screen your movies and

1258
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: you beg people to give you enough money that they

1259
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: can release them and make more money off of you.

1260
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: It's very stupid. It's a discussing industry. The Sundance experience

1261
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: in general was amazing, David Wayne remembered. There was so

1262
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: much buzz and so much talk, and audiences seemed to

1263
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: go nuts for it. Part of their pitch is quite funny.

1264
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: They lied and said that the film cost five million

1265
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: dollars to make it costs under two. They were just

1266
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: hoping to make it look slightly more legitimate. They had

1267
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: four different sold out screenings at Sundance, but Wayne recalled,

1268
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: not only did we not get a good offer, we

1269
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: did not get even a bite, not even a phone

1270
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: call from even the bottom feeding distributors. Basically, several months

1271
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: after Sundance, USA Films called and said, Okay, here's a

1272
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: completely low ball, ridiculous, insulting, pathetic offer. We were like,

1273
01:00:52,600 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: we'll take it. Jenninger off of theory was that there

1274
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: was a bidding war over super Troopers at that time,

1275
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: which was also at Sundance at that time by Broken Lizard,

1276
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: And she said, people just thought, oh, this is the

1277
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: same type of thing, like the State Comedy Troop put

1278
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: out a movie and Broken Lizard. The Comedy Troop put

1279
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: out a comedy movie, Let's go with Broken Lizard. So

1280
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: after the ink was dry on that one hundred thousand

1281
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: dollars deal, just like the budget for craft services on

1282
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: a major motion picture for a day, yeah.

1283
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, weh hot.

1284
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: American Summer premiered in New York City on July twenty seventh,

1285
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, in two theaters and One of

1286
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: them was the Critics Screening Room at the AMC Empire

1287
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: twenty five. For those of you not in the industry,

1288
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: it is essentially a closet or like a very small

1289
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: office that they shove critics into and let them watch

1290
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: movies to get their reviews done. One of the podcasts

1291
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: I listened I do listen to is I've mentioned them before,

1292
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: called the New Flesh Horror Movies podcast, and they these

1293
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: two guys are critics in New York and they have

1294
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: said that the window for embargo has gotten so low

1295
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: when studios know that their movie sucks. For those of

1296
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,959
Speaker 2: you not in the industry, like the press embargo would

1297
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: be like Okay, you can watch the movie and write

1298
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: your review, but you will not be able to post

1299
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: anything about it until such and such time. Now it's

1300
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: gotten so bad with some of these movies that they

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Speaker 2: won't even let them see the movie until like two

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Speaker 2: hours before.

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Speaker 3: The embarco lives.

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 2: So they're just basically put in this position of like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I have to first draft review this thing or not

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Speaker 2: at all. Anyway, Then it was expanded to LA for

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Speaker 2: three theaters. Eventually it got put into something like twenty

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Speaker 2: six additional theaters across the country, but little to no

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01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: publicity campaign, naturally, and the film is basically dead in

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Speaker 2: the water.

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Speaker 3: Paul Rudd told.

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Speaker 2: The La Times, the people that were the heads of

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Speaker 2: USA Films, they didn't get this movie at all.

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Speaker 3: They didn't know what to do with it.

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Speaker 2: But every one of the assistants, the interns, the people

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Speaker 2: answering the phones, they were obsessed with it.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You're beloved Marguerite Moreau, who must be one of the

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Speaker 2: most boring people alive. She's like not quoted in any

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Speaker 2: of these at all, and no one ever heard from her.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: I also like Alison Williams, and she's also one of

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Speaker 4: the most boring people alive, So yeah, it would scan.

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Speaker 4: I have a type. I have several types. My other

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 4: type is the type is really not that. But I

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Speaker 4: just want to let you keep straightening yourself along out there.

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Speaker 4: Alison Williams huh yeah, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she does seem boring, quite boring.

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Speaker 1: Oh great teeth though, m oh yeah, sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There were so many obstacles to seeing this movie.

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: Marguerite Moreau said, I took a bunch of people to

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Speaker 2: La to see it in the one theater it was

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Speaker 2: in on the one weekend it was open, and something

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01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: caught fire in the snack bar halfway through the movie,

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01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: and we had to go out, and we had to

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Speaker 2: go outside, and while we were outside, there was.

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Speaker 3: A fifth quake.

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Speaker 1: It's a great quote, yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny how little she's actually quoted in this,

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01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: Like all these other people clearly gave, like all these

1341
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: dreams of jokes and reminiscences, she's in there like the

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: average she's in the You know again, I've read four

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: or five of these, not joking, and she's in them

1344
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: for an average of like two to three lines each.

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01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 4: Oh well, things did not get better for the film

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:21,919
Speaker 4: from there.

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01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: Well.

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 4: Critics Entertainment Weekly in Newsweek like the film. Most didn't,

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 4: and it still hasn't cracked forty percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

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01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: That's criminal.

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 4: Roger Reebert was moved to write a review entirely of verse,

1352
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 4: riffing on Alan Sherman's novelty hit Hello Mata, Hello Father,

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Speaker 4: et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Here I am at Camp Granada, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about that?

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 2: I feel like people don't know what the we're talking

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: about when we say this and because we're weird, people know,

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01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: like we know what it is.

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01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 4: It's a I mean, I feel like there's nothing we

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 4: could possibly say if you don't know it by now,

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01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 4: But based on Camp Granada, there there's nothing we could say. Yeah,

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01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 4: it was a novelty song from the early six these

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 4: about a kid writing a letter home from camp having

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: a misery, but.

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: Like explicitly Jewish, right, that's the whole thing.

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: It's like transliterated in the title of the song is

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: hello Muda, Hello Foda.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I just I don't even I didn't think.

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 3: That far or was that he was just forcing a

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: rhyme with Granada.

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: I think it was just forcing a rhyme.

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 4: Heck Rodger Ebert rhymed I hated something Fierce with David

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 4: Hyde Pierce, which just medium funny and according to Box

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01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 4: Office Mojo, What Hot American Summer only made two hundred

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 4: and ninety five thousand, two hundred and six dollars and

1376
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 4: domestic growths.

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: It just fizzled out.

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: Michael Showalter said it was like, this is not fun

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01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: at all. David Wayne told Details it got not just

1380
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 4: bad reviews, but savage hostile reviews. Like we did something

1381
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: personally bad to every reviewer, and maybe there was something

1382
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 4: revealing about the fact that the reviewers took extra time

1383
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 4: and care to find ways to explain how much they

1384
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 4: hated our movie. Michael Showalter continued, there was a total

1385
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 4: disconnect between the kind of movie we thought we'd made and.

1386
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: The way that it was being received.

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 4: One of the things that David and I really find

1388
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: funny isn't all the stuff we've done together is the

1389
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 4: certain kind of stilted dialogue that's overly scripted, orderline bad

1390
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 4: and to me, really funny.

1391
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: And the reviews would be like.

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01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 4: God, this movie is such bad dialogue, Like Okay, you

1393
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 4: don't get it.

1394
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: I want to die on a certain hill about this.

1395
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: People think m Knight Shyamalan writes dialogue that way, and

1396
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: they're stupid. They're dumb idiots if they think that, And

1397
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: that illustrates how you can and can't write purposely awkward dialogue.

1398
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: His dialogue it sounds like he was written by someone

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: who does not speak to humans, And people were like, oh.

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: That's intentional. He's you know, the joke with you. He's not.

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 3: I guarantee it.

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: If he let his daughter be in that last piece

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01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: of shit after screen testing her. He's not smart enough

1404
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 2: to write purposely bad dog. Uh what am I kidding?

1405
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: He screen tested his daughter? No, he forced her on

1406
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: America's eyeballs like you two and the songs of Innocence?

1407
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 3: What else can I tie in?

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01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm found a bad mood today.

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01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: Sidebar over.

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: Well.

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01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the cast and crew were not all that shocked

1412
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 4: by the reception or the negative reception tout Hot American Summer.

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 4: To quote David Hyde Pierce, it's not like we thought

1414
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 4: we were making the French lieutenant's woman and then we

1415
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: can't believe it.

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01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: Nobody liked it.

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01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 4: David Wayne admitted, Wet Hot has the out of trappings

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01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 4: by design of a certain kind of comedy, and it

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 4: doesn't deliver on that at all. And so if you're

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01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 4: going in with the mindset of wanting to see a

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01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 4: regular comedy, this movie's going to disappoint you.

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01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: What's sad I know it is.

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: The film did gradually find its intended cult audience, helped

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: along by its DVD release in two thousand and two,

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01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: the year after, midnight screenings of the film popped up

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: around the country, and the film stars mostly say that

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: the percentage of people yelling wet hot lines at them

1428
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: is vastly out of proportion to the rest of their filmographies.

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: Like Elizabeth Banks was like people yell at me, I

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 2: hope your car is a big trunk because I'm putting

1431
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: my bike in it, and your mouth tastes like burgers.

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01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: DVD sales unfortunately flat line by the time the film

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: turns ten. David Wayne repeatedly tried to get a tenth

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01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: anniversary special edition come out and was told by the

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: studio nobody cares. But the arc of history bends toward

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 2: justice for those brave enough to make insane art.

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't. Actually, we're all gonna die soon. Your art

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01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 3: will go on. Appreciate it for your entire lifetime. There's

1440
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 3: not gonna be much art anymore.

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, but Podcaster Voice. The tide did eventually turn

1442
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: for wet hot, and by twenty fifteen, The New York

1443
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 2: Times described it as the old comedy er text. I

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: mentioned this at the top of the episode, But there's

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: one funny coincidence that popped out in these oral histories.

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: In the two thousand and one to details, Michael ian

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01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: Black says, I do think this movie was a little

1448
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: bit ahead of the curve. I'm reluctant to say that

1449
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: any film is directly influenced by this one because it

1450
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: sounds very presumptuous, but Anchorman springs to mind almost immediately,

1451
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: that kind of heightened absurd insanity, that anarchic tone. We

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: were sort of on that territory with Wet Hot, even

1453
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: if the producers never saw it.

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: I hope there's some direct correlation.

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,520
Speaker 4: Four years later, Paul Rudd, who obviously was also in Anchorman,

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 4: confirmed that with nearly the exact same phrasing to the

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: La Times, Wet Hot was a little ahead of its time.

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 4: When I would meet comedy writers, anybody that was way

1459
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 4: into comedy, that's the movie that people would talk about.

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 4: When I met director Adam McKay the first time, years

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 4: before he made Anchorman, he'd say, oh, wet Hot American summer.

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01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 4: I could always tell this person's a wet Hot.

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01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 2: Fan, usually by the demented stare. There's one last thing

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01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: I want to go out on here. It feels like

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: an appropriate outro. Damn, we brought this in Titan Lean.

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01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah wow ooh.

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 2: Almost not longer than the actual movie. What a shot

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01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: you can actually listen to. This is a commentary track.

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: Speaking of commentary tracks, segue and improvised off the coff

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: Nail dies, off the Dumb. Those who purchased a DVD

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Speaker 2: edition of this film and thoroughly combed through its extras

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01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: may have been surprised by the inclusion of an entire

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,879
Speaker 2: commentary track for the film consisting solely of fart noises.

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: The idea for the fart track was similar to how

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 2: a lot of the ideas we had come up. David

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: Wayne said, one or the other of us being like,

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01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: there should be an extra track on the DVD. That's

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01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: only farts, right, and the other would be like, of course,

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 2: you don't even need to say that out loud. Of course,

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01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 2: that's what we have to do. A couple of us

1481
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: just went into the studio, he remembered. I think it

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01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: was me, Michael Showalter, maybe Zach Worth. I mean just

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01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: sat in there and made fart sounds for a while

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 2: until we got bored. Then we stopped and just looped

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: the other We were just going with our mouths. I

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01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: think we had a couple of whoope cushions in there

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01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: as well. It's possible we wanted live sounds had to

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Speaker 2: be live. It sure did, guys. Thank you for everything,

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Speaker 2: and thank you folks for listening.

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Speaker 3: This has been too much information. I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run Talk. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 4: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 3: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtalk

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