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Speaker 5: No comment on the Reddit.

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Speaker 4: The run because AIS are training themselves on Reddit threads.

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Speaker 4: it's a math question. They're like, yeah, you should leave them.

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Speaker 5: Two plus two equals. Get the hell out of that, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, anyway, so welcome, thank you, and we hope you

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Speaker 5: Yes, but it's worth it to help us keep doing

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Speaker 5: the independent journalism, cleaning the floors apparently. And we've got

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Speaker 5: a big show today, Donald Trump threatening to pull out

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Speaker 5: of NATO directly in comments that he made in front

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Speaker 5: of reporters at the White House yesterday, a hit on

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Speaker 5: in Iraq. We're going to break down the details on that.

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Speaker 5: We have lots of footage from around the Middle East,

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Speaker 5: but Ryan that in particular seems to me like it's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we went to war, as some people might remember,

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Speaker 4: to take that country off the chess board. Mission was accomplished,

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Speaker 4: and now they keep Iraqi militias there like bombing our

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Speaker 4: over top, and the refueling jets giant mess. Meanwhile, where

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Speaker 4: Trump seems to be trying to get the Iraqi Prime

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Speaker 4: we'll get into that, right and.

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Speaker 5: We have more fallout from Joe Kent's resignation. Soccer and

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Speaker 5: Crystal were able to cover that quickly yesterday, but it

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Speaker 5: continued to rage in the news cycle throughout the day yesterday,

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Speaker 5: intelligence official resigning over whether or not an imminent threat

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Speaker 5: was an appropriate press etiquette for the war in Iran.

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Speaker 5: so yesterday this was swirling online. The President commented on it.

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Speaker 5: So we're going to bring you that clip as well.

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Speaker 5: Then we're going to do an update from Cuba where

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Speaker 5: the electrical grid. If you haven't been following this suffering

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Speaker 5: across Cuba, protests across Cuba, we are going to break

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Speaker 5: that down Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I'll be going there this weekend.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I'm a group of journalists are going and so if

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Speaker 4: you are a pre inscriber, you're helping send me to Cuba.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Whether how that makes you feel is up to you.

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Speaker 5: Don't worry about it. Well, but as we know facts

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Speaker 5: For sure, Rocana is getting called out by Jonathan Greenblat,

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Speaker 5: election results. The much watched kat Abogaza Lee Daniel Biss

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Biss one, but APAC took some losses well in

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Speaker 5: All right, we'll break it down. Let's start now with NATO.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump yesterday in a bilateral conversation in the Oval

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Speaker 5: office of Saint Patrick's day. So he was with Irish

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Speaker 5: leaders at the White House yesterday. Here is Trump getting

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Speaker 5: the direction of the conversation in that direction. Let's rull

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Speaker 7: Are you be thinking of the United States relationships with

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm disappointed in NATO that we spend trillions of

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Speaker 8: many trillions of dollars. It's one of the reasons we

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Speaker 8: don't help us. I mean, it's certainly something that we

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Speaker 8: should think about. I don't need Congress for that decision,

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Speaker 8: as you probably know, I can make that decision myself.

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Speaker 8: I'd work with some very smart people, and I'd always

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Speaker 8: deal with Congress anyway. But I don't need Congress for

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Speaker 8: that decision. But you know, when you say, rethink, I

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Speaker 8: have nothing currently in mind. But I will say that

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Speaker 8: I'm not exactly thrilled when we help them with Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: Ukraine would have been over in one day if we didn't.

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Speaker 8: He frankly, Ukraine would have been over in the first day.

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Speaker 8: And they had the best equipment in the world. It

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Speaker 8: And I've long said that. You know, I wonder whether

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Speaker 8: this is a This was a great test because we

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Speaker 8: don't need them, but they should have been there.

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Speaker 5: Right So he doesn't have any plans the moment, is

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Speaker 5: do it, and he's very upset at NATO. Ryan.

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Speaker 4: He's mad, but he's not mad. He doesn't need them,

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Speaker 5: They're not that important, but they're very important. This is

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Speaker 5: so the President also posted, lest you think that was

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Speaker 5: United States on true social has been informed by most

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Speaker 5: of our NATO allies that they don't want to get

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Speaker 5: don't want to get involved with our military operation against

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Speaker 5: the terrorist re stream of Iran in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: This despite the fact that almost every country strongly agreed

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Speaker 5: with what we were doing and that Iran cannot, in

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Speaker 5: I always considered NATO, where we spend hundreds of billions

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Speaker 5: will do nothing for us, in particular in a time

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Speaker 5: of need. Fortunately, we have decimated Iran's military. Goes on

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Speaker 5: your attention to this matter. President Donald J. Trump. So, Ryan,

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Speaker 5: this is obviously over the Strait of Hormuz conflict. How

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Speaker 5: all of the chips that have already been put into

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Speaker 5: the foundation of the US NATO alliance. How much do

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Speaker 5: you think this particular doest up yesterday matters.

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Speaker 4: I think what it shows right, is that he is

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Speaker 4: really flailing that his idea for this war was very

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Speaker 4: Venezuela esque. He's going to go in or Israel's going

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Speaker 4: to go in. Actually, Israel carried out the first strike

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Speaker 4: and they hit the Ayatola, they hit the top leadership,

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Speaker 4: and YadA, YadA, YadA. That was going to lead to

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Speaker 4: something better nan yah who obviously had a much more

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Speaker 4: sophisticated and thought out plan. N Yaha's plan is we're

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Speaker 4: going to hit them. They're going to hit everyone back.

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Speaker 4: Because they said that out loud many times. They sent

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Speaker 6: And the idea is then.

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Speaker 4: You you degrade Iran's you know, military and economic infrastructure

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Speaker 4: I thought, we have a trillion dollar military, right, aren't.

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Speaker 4: Aren't we like the biggest, most well funded military in

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Speaker 5: Well, I think to your point, you're right, he likely

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Speaker 4: And also apparently we can't do it ourselves that you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a very tight spot there, and they can fire

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Speaker 4: Here's a question for you speaking of our inability to

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Speaker 4: So like sailors are now sleeping on floors on tables.

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Speaker 4: came from T shirts and clothes that were flushed down

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Speaker 6: You ever meet anybody that does that?

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Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, do I remember meeting somebody?

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Speaker 5: Does that?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 6: Who's on this ship?

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Speaker 4: Thousands upon thousands of I would suspect very angry nineteen

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Speaker 4: year olds who were sent to Venezuela to do that

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Speaker 4: know that war started killing one hundred and sixty plus

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Speaker 5: Alternate possibility, or it could be a combination of both

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Speaker 4: The money is funneling right back into our weapons industries,

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Speaker 4: the strategic logic. Closing the Strait of her Moves was

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Speaker 6: So this essay just ripped around.

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Speaker 4: The National Securities Establishment here in the United States and saying, wait, maybe.

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Speaker 6: We are doing okay.

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Speaker 5: It was in playbook yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, and I see it was in playbook.

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Speaker 6: Of course it was in playbook. It's everywhere.

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Speaker 6: And they just like, it's closed up.

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Speaker 4: What they're saying is, if you're a ship that we

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Speaker 5: What do you make of this number that I see

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Speaker 4: So I think to be objective about this, the answer

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Speaker 5: Foolish, because they solve the capacity to rebuild.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can like, and they have they for forty

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Speaker 4: Without ground troops, how are you going to stop the Iranians,

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Speaker 5: Which is why they needed the.

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Speaker 4: Or to keep the straits closed. Just you know, one

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Speaker 5: needed to have happen, and they're downplaying that now, but

439
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Speaker 5: that's where you end up getting the goal post keep

440
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Speaker 5: continuing to be shifted further and further out right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the idea that the Kurds were going to

442
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Speaker 4: lead a revolution there I think was fantastical.

443
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Speaker 5: Or the Shaws supporters were going to or some combination

444
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Speaker 5: of both.

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Speaker 4: They tried to pull off and we'll talk about this

446
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Speaker 4: in the next block. They tried to pull off a

447
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Speaker 4: major demonstration anti government demonstration yesterday didn't really seem to materialize.

448
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Speaker 4: You've got the blow down in the south, you know,

449
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Speaker 4: but they're not they're not they're not interested in kind

450
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Speaker 4: of taking over the country. We got the Azaris next

451
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Speaker 4: to the Kurds, but they're not like, that's that's not

452
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Speaker 4: going to work. Pozesken common A actually like has some

453
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Speaker 4: roots in the Asari population, so it's like that's probably

454
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Speaker 4: not gonna fly.

455
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Speaker 5: Well, it's okay with the Trump administration because here is

456
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Speaker 5: Economic Advisor Kevin Hassett on CNBOC yesterday saying this, this

457
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Speaker 5: work could go on forever and our economy will be

458
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Speaker 5: just fine.

459
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Speaker 6: Maybe not for you, but fine.

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Speaker 9: This economy is fundamentally sound, and that if it were

461
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Speaker 9: to be extended this it wouldn't really disrupt the US

462
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Speaker 9: economy very much at all. It would hurt consumers, and

463
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Speaker 9: we'd have to think about, you know, if that continued,

464
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Speaker 9: what we would have to do about that.

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Speaker 5: But that's like really the last of our concerns.

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Speaker 9: Right now, because we're very confident that this thing is

467
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Speaker 9: going ahead of schedule.

468
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Speaker 5: In the same breath there he said it wouldn't hurt

469
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Speaker 5: the economy, it would hurt consumers, right, and.

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Speaker 4: That's really the last of our concerns.

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Speaker 5: That's perfect. Saying that it won't hurt the economy it

472
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Speaker 5: will hurt consumers is actually the perfect distillation of how people,

473
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Speaker 5: actually a lot of the people has to has spent

474
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Speaker 5: years criticizing, think about the economy. Stock's going to keep

475
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Speaker 5: going up. That's the economy. The economy is the markets.

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Speaker 4: The good news is that you don't really do much

477
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Speaker 4: consumption anymore anyway because you have no money. Something like

478
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Speaker 4: what of the I don't know if we have the

479
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Speaker 4: latest charts, Hey, huge portion of consumer activity is now

480
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Speaker 4: done by the top ten to twenty percent.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is like eighty percent.

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Speaker 4: So that's one reason they don't actually care as much

483
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Speaker 4: about the consumer economy, because we have systematically destroyed the

484
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Speaker 4: consumer economy by making sure that people don't have money

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Speaker 4: to spend.

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Speaker 5: I would also then like to ask Kevin Hassett what

487
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Speaker 5: was all of the Liberation Day about? Then? If the

488
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Speaker 5: consumers aren't the economy, what was that about.

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Speaker 4: You never thought you'd hear a White House telling the public, Hey,

490
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Speaker 4: a wet person shouldn't be afraid of the rain.

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Speaker 6: It already sucks for you. It's gonna get worse. But

492
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Speaker 6: that's the last of our concerns.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, him saying that and saying it rather

494
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Speaker 5: poorly suggests that they were not prepared for long term impact,

495
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Speaker 5: and they now are trying to downplay the obvious, obvious

496
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Speaker 5: harms that would come from long term impact or from

497
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Speaker 5: a longer war, more drone out, drawn out war, and

498
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Speaker 5: are kind of doing this on the fly. That's my

499
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Speaker 5: impression of what we're getting from this is that they

500
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Speaker 5: didn't expect in a midterm year to have to defend

501
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Speaker 5: a wartime economy. And now the goalpost keeps getting shifted.

502
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Speaker 5: Israel saying, oh, three more weeks, three more weeks, that's

503
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Speaker 5: what they're telling Fox News, and Trump is saying, we

504
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Speaker 5: could keep doing this as long as we want. We've

505
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Speaker 5: already won, but we're going to keep going as long

506
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Speaker 5: as we possibly can.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And granted we gave the nastiest possible interpretation of

508
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Speaker 4: what he said there. I don't think he earned the

509
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Speaker 4: bendewit it out, so I don't feel bad. But he

510
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Speaker 4: did say, tucked in the middle there, we can do

511
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Speaker 4: something about the consumer concerns, which what he's implying there

512
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Speaker 4: is that they could do some sort of stimulus I think,

513
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Speaker 4: like some kind of government intervention that's going to help consumers,

514
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Speaker 4: which I don't know if that's actually true, if they

515
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Speaker 4: could actually have the will to do that or the

516
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Speaker 4: plan to do that, but he was suggesting that they

517
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Speaker 4: could do that.

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Speaker 6: So okay, even if.

519
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Speaker 4: Consumers do get hurt, that we can we can do something.

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Speaker 4: We'll help We'll help you guys out, don't worry, so

521
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Speaker 4: you feel better. Does that help help you feel better?

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Speaker 5: All right, let's move on to the embassy in Baghdad.

523
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Speaker 5: Ryan really striking footage coming out of Iraq yesterday. Let's

524
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Speaker 5: put b one up on the screen. Maybe, Ryan, you

525
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Speaker 5: can tell us what people are seeing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is so, you're seeing a lot of footage

527
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Speaker 4: emerging out of Baghdad where regular people are on the

528
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Speaker 4: streets are just are capturing these incredible kind of air

529
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Speaker 4: battles between the Green Zone air defenses and the drones

530
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Speaker 4: that are coming mostly from Iraqi militias. And as you

531
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Speaker 4: see there that one didn't but wasn't stopped and you

532
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Speaker 4: saw a massive explosion inside the US embassy compound there.

533
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Speaker 4: So the these Iraqi militias were empowered by US during

534
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Speaker 4: the two thousand and three invasion. Iraq is a Shia

535
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Speaker 4: majority country and had been run by Sunni dictator Sodom Hussein.

536
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Speaker 4: When we toppled Saddam, we then allowed, you know, the

537
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Speaker 4: political rise of the Shia population, which is very closely

538
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Speaker 4: aligned with Iran. Iran sent its own forces and support

539
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Speaker 4: into Iraq. They were saying at the time, ironically, because

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Speaker 4: you'll recognize this, this reasoning, it's better for us to

541
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Speaker 4: fight them there than to fight them here. Very American argument.

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Speaker 4: We have to fight them in Vietnam or Afghanistan, and

543
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Speaker 4: run so that they don't fight us here in New

544
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Speaker 4: York City, except when our politicians say that it sounds absurd.

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Speaker 6: It's like, they're not fighting us here. What are you

546
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Speaker 6: talking about?

547
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Speaker 4: Now? There was nine to eleven, but they're not otherwise

548
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Speaker 4: not invading the United States.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean the great irony is as you create

550
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Speaker 5: the Isis comes out of the post eleven Middle Eastern

551
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Speaker 5: conflicts and very intentionally takes the fight here.

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Speaker 6: Or they inspire people who take it here.

553
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And so the Iranians felt like this was

554
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Speaker 4: a way to stave off an attack on Iran, was

555
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Speaker 4: to keep us bogged down in our wreck. And I

556
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Speaker 4: guess it worked for twenty three years. So and so

557
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Speaker 4: all of the all of the strategies inside Iran who

558
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Speaker 4: were forecasting that the US and Israel were intending to

559
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Speaker 4: attack Iran at some point, and so we need to

560
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Speaker 4: stay that all as long as possible.

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Speaker 6: They've been shown to be correct there.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

563
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Speaker 4: Our Our kind of occupation of Iraq was expected then

564
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Speaker 4: to enable us to project more power, you know, throughout

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Speaker 4: the throughout the region. We built one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: or the one of the biggest embassies, the Green Zone

567
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Speaker 4: in the world in Baghdad, we can put up B

568
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Speaker 4: two here. And so the Iraqi militias have this very

569
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Speaker 4: ripe and nearby target that they can that they have

570
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Speaker 4: always threatened, like if you hit Iran. What the big

571
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Speaker 4: the big strategic vulnerability that the US has always had

572
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Speaker 4: is this what you're looking at right here, this is

573
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Speaker 4: the green Zone and so this is a a Iraqi

574
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Speaker 4: drone that they they published this video of them flying

575
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Speaker 4: for something like two minutes kind of uninterrupted, you know,

576
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Speaker 4: throughout the throughout the green zone, using technical using a

577
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Speaker 4: communications that are unable to be jammed because you're so

578
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Speaker 4: because they're so close, Like Iran couldn't do this because

579
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Speaker 4: they're too far away, but because of the Iraqis are

580
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Speaker 4: right nearby, they can. They can just do this. Then

581
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Speaker 4: they and then that they and then those drones go

582
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Speaker 4: in and they and they hit whatever they want to hit.

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Speaker 4: You know, they have kind of free reign and so

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Speaker 4: you're seeing like massive explosions and huge risk to the

585
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Speaker 4: whatever service members or Americans are still there. You know,

586
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Speaker 4: lot of them obviously were evacuated knowing knowing that this

587
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Speaker 4: was going to going to happen. Meanwhile, the US tax

588
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: continue to be completely insane or the US and Israel

589
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Speaker 4: once you should do B three.

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Speaker 6: Here and put up this.

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Speaker 4: So we start the war by hitting a girls school

592
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Speaker 4: which on if you looked at it on a satellite image,

593
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Speaker 4: you could see chalk on the You could see purple

594
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Speaker 4: chalk on the near near the playground.

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Speaker 6: You could tell it was a school.

596
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Speaker 4: It was marked on Google Earth literally as the school that,

597
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Speaker 4: like Google Earth, had the name of the school on there.

598
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Speaker 4: Now we've hit a boys school that's called Shahad Komani

599
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Speaker 4: Elementary Boys School in Sharraz, Iran, and people are like,

600
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Speaker 4: how did we do this again? And treata Parsi points

601
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Speaker 4: out that shahead is in the name of the school.

602
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Speaker 4: Hopefully we're not hitting it. Everything named Komani, but Shahad

603
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: is a very common name but common commonly used word.

604
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Speaker 4: But it's the brand of the drones that Iran sells

605
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Speaker 4: to Russia, and Iran is using to hit US bases.

606
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Speaker 4: So the most logical explanation here is that an intern

607
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Speaker 4: or AI or a combination saw the word shahead and

608
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Speaker 4: we're like, oh haha, we found one of their factories.

609
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Speaker 4: Let's bomb it. Instead they bomb in elementary school reminds

610
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Speaker 4: me of another one treat of flag where they've been

611
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Speaker 4: hitting all of the different police.

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Speaker 6: Headquarters that they can find. They bombed in.

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Speaker 4: Tehran a thing called Police Park, which that's just the

614
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Speaker 4: name of a park. It's like trees, benches, grass, and

615
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Speaker 4: then you know, we dropped a massive bomb on police

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Speaker 4: park just because it's labeled.

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Speaker 5: Police schools are close in Iran right now, so that's

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Speaker 5: the relying.

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Speaker 6: Here, right, so.

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Speaker 4: Right right, because the girls school was hit before we

621
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Speaker 4: under before they understood they were getting attacked right away.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

623
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Speaker 4: Yeah, which again for all the people who said Iran

624
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Speaker 4: hit it, Iran wasn't even firing yet, because Iran, like

625
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Speaker 4: we started the war and then Iran responded a few

626
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Speaker 4: hours later.

627
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Speaker 5: Immediately it was ridiculous and.

628
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Speaker 4: The right it was like only one side was firing.

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Speaker 4: We're like, you must have been them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ran. There's this drop side article we wanted to

631
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Speaker 5: talk about too. Before we can put this up on

632
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Speaker 5: the screen. The political uncertainty, as you all write about

633
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Speaker 5: in Iraq right now, is hanging over the conflict. Break

634
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Speaker 5: this down for us.

635
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: For people who followed the kind of Iraq war twenty

637
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Speaker 4: years ago, remember the name Norael Malachy, who was you know,

638
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Speaker 4: something of a US ally. You know, we always had

639
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Speaker 4: some There was always a little you know, he wasn't

640
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Speaker 4: a curveball or whatever. You know, he wasn't like a

641
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: total like American plant, but he was a you know,

642
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Speaker 4: American ally. But because there is some actual democratic pressure

643
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Speaker 4: and expressions in Iraq now as they're actually you know, anyway,

644
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Speaker 4: he is responsive to a lot of the anti American hostility,

645
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Speaker 4: and so he's become less of a reliable ally than

646
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Speaker 4: the US would would like in that place, because the

647
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Speaker 4: US is like, hey, wait, I thought we do a war,

648
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Speaker 4: we install people like they're supposed to, then just do

649
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Speaker 4: exactly what we say, because we don't seem to acknowledge

650
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Speaker 4: that Iraq is an actual democracy in the sense that

651
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Speaker 4: they have elections.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we acknowledge them, now, that's our that was our

653
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Speaker 5: mission seeming.

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Speaker 4: Accomplished, because every day I'm told that there's only one

655
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Speaker 4: democracy in the Middle East. Every time, wait a minute,

656
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Speaker 4: didn't we didn't a whole bunch of Americans die to

657
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Speaker 4: make another one?

658
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Speaker 6: What about?

659
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Speaker 4: And then I constantly hear about them having elections because

660
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Speaker 4: they can't form can't have a form a government's name.

661
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Speaker 4: Another election, another election, another election.

662
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Speaker 6: What does that?

663
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Speaker 4: Why doesn't that count? Is that not the Middle East?

664
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Speaker 6: Anyway?

665
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Speaker 4: In never mind all the only democracy is the one

666
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: where you know, half the population isn't allowed to vote.

667
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: So we're now in the place where we're destabilizing Iraq

668
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Speaker 4: to a very significant degree.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we've roughly been in that place for twenty years.

670
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Speaker 4: But yeah, re destabilizing, Yeah, I guess would be the

671
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Speaker 4: the word for it. You've got Muktata Soder, who was

672
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Speaker 4: a powerful she is, a powerful she cleric, was a

673
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Speaker 4: key figure, a key nationalist figure during the kind of

674
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Speaker 4: insurgency against the US occupation, and he has been encouraging

675
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Speaker 4: again the Iraqi population to unite along Sunni and shialligans

676
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Speaker 4: not to and to understand who the enemy is, and

677
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: he means the US and Israel. Sistani, who's another major figure,

678
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Speaker 4: kind of the maybe the most revered Shia figure both

679
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: in Iraq, in Iran and Iran, issued a fought well

680
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Speaker 4: of sorts that didn't go all the way to saying

681
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Speaker 4: that all she is like ought to fight on behalf

682
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Speaker 4: of Iran against the US and Israel, but kind of

683
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: got very close to that and so this is you know,

684
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Speaker 4: we spent we lost thousands of American lives and spent

685
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Speaker 4: trillions of dollars as part of this strategic play to

686
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Speaker 4: like take over the Middle East, and the place where

687
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Speaker 4: we did it is not remotely kind of reliable for

688
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Speaker 4: us at this point. And you continue to have these

689
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Speaker 4: like crash landings where you've got refueling jets flying over

690
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: Iraqi airspace and then the militias.

691
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Speaker 6: Are firing at them.

692
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Speaker 4: It's already like possible task to try to refuel a jet,

693
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Speaker 4: like just the idea of that at like five hundred

694
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Speaker 4: miles an hour or whatever you're going and trying to refuel.

695
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Speaker 5: A jet they're the best of and.

696
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Speaker 4: Then you've got then you're getting shelled from the ground. Ye,

697
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: so we had one crash. We got another one doing

698
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: emergency landing recently. So yeah, it's it's not good for us.

699
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Speaker 5: There's a real poetic tragedy to the side by side

700
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Speaker 5: and Iran in I rock right now watching the prior

701
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Speaker 5: experiment in nation building, which this president condemned. I don't

702
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 5: even need to say this, it's so obvious. I don't

703
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: actually have to explain it. But watching that experiment continue

704
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: to crash and burn while you've just started another experiment.

705
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Speaker 5: That's even that's fueling the continued spiraling of the prior conflict.

706
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Speaker 5: It's just heartbreaking.

707
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really, it really truly is.

708
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Speaker 5: And let's make it worse. Let's with the next element

709
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: on the screen. This is a Guardian report. UK security

710
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 5: advisor attended US around talks and judged deal was within reach. Ryan.

711
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Speaker 5: This reminds me of some of the reports we got

712
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: early in the Ukraine conflict, as enough Tolly Bennett, who

713
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Speaker 5: then retracted his claim, and others would say, listen, these

714
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 5: negotiations are really close, but the US didn't want to

715
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: didn't want Zelenska to make a deal earlier. This actually

716
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: kind of reminds me of this.

717
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Speaker 4: Yes, the difference here is that there's still some reasonable,

718
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Speaker 4: reasonable debate over whether or not Putin was serious about

719
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Speaker 4: and was actually willing to go through with, even if

720
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Speaker 4: the US had said, okay, we'll take it, well, we'll

721
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Speaker 4: accept all these terms. Some I think I think he

722
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Speaker 4: probably would have been, but there's some reasonable debate about

723
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Speaker 4: whether or not he would have been.

724
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Speaker 6: It really isn't reasonable debate here.

725
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Speaker 4: And one thing I this Guardian reporting makes me proud

726
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Speaker 4: of the drop site reporting that we did in the

727
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Speaker 4: run up to the war, because what what I've always

728
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: tried to make our north star is to tell people

729
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: things in real time when they're still actionable, rather than

730
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Speaker 4: doing the really impressive TikTok reporting about what happened in

731
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Speaker 4: the past. That's such a good point when it's too

732
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Speaker 4: late and you all in the new in the US media,

733
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: you get so much of the in the U k.

734
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Speaker 4: Two get so much of the here's what post mortem stuff.

735
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Speaker 6: I don't want them.

736
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Speaker 4: I don't want the mort like I don't want that,

737
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Speaker 4: So that you don't mort that's the whole point, right

738
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Speaker 4: to give people the information. So Jeremy had a piece

739
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: where you know, he didn't use the word surprising. It

740
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Speaker 4: was like unbelievable, I think was the word that was

741
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Speaker 4: used to describe what the Iranians were offering in these talks.

742
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Speaker 4: And so what the Guardian is reporting here is that

743
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Powell was one of the top Britain's national security advisors,

744
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Speaker 4: sat in on the US and Iran talks and right

745
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Speaker 4: he quote judged that the offer made by Tehran on

746
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Speaker 4: its nuclear program was significant enough to prevent a rush

747
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Speaker 4: to war. The Guardian can reveal Pal thought progress have

748
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Speaker 4: been made in Geneva in late February and that the

749
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Speaker 4: deal proposed by Iran was quote surprising, according to sources,

750
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Speaker 4: And so he's saying, we heard unbelievable. He's saying surprising

751
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Speaker 4: that like the concessions, and we also heard that the

752
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Speaker 4: concessions they were making would like be stunning and surprising,

753
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Speaker 4: et cetera, to like the twenty fifteen twenty fourteen Obama

754
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Speaker 4: era negotiators, that that Iran went far beyond what they

755
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: had offered previously and instead they went nowhere. One source

756
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Speaker 4: said that there was quote widespread concern about the US

757
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Speaker 4: expertise on the talks, represented by Donald Trump's son in

758
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Speaker 4: law Gyard Kushner and Steve Whitcoff, Trump's special envoy on

759
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Speaker 4: several issues. The Guardians reporting here what we kind of

760
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: already saw in public, that like Witcoff and Kusher didn't

761
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 4: really know what they were talking about and didn't understand

762
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Speaker 4: this is nuclear stuff. I don't blame them for non understanding,

763
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Speaker 4: and I wouldn't.

764
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Speaker 5: I mean, I blame them, but yes.

765
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Speaker 6: You're supposed to have a technical advisor.

766
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 4: So this guy Pale brought a technical advisor with him

767
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 4: who would translate to him like what all of these

768
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: things mean? And Witcoff whenever he would go out and

769
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: publicly talk about things, he would say like industrial grade,

770
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Speaker 4: and it's like, well, what is it. There's no such

771
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 4: thing as industrial grade. Like that's not even a word

772
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: that people use. There's weapons grade. I think that's what

773
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: you mean. But like, so, what it really fueled was

774
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: the idea that they were just not remotely serious about

775
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: about reaching a deal, that the that it.

776
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 6: Was that they were just going through the motions and so.

777
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 5: Well, so with some of that then crashed wires or

778
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 5: because I mean, we don't know what wit coffin Kusher

779
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 5: would have agreed to if they had been accurately informed.

780
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: I suppose maybe that's impossible, but maybe.

781
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Speaker 4: They were told forget it, like we're not actually making

782
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: a deal, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, they quoted, well,

783
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: they quote a Gulf diplomat in the Guardian saying, quote,

784
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: we regarded Witkoff and Kushner as Israeli assets that dragged

785
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: the president into a war he wants to get out

786
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 4: of that might be a little generous to the president,

787
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: like their assignments if they were serious about the talks,

788
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 4: find somebody who understands nuclear physics and the nuclear industry,

789
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 4: and they take notes. They sit next to you, they

790
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 4: take notes, and then you talk about it later as

791
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: you hear Witcough talk about it now like you're like God,

792
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: you like because he'll say things like they told us

793
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 4: they have eleven bombs and they're proud of that, and

794
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: they rannis afterwards like that. We didn't say that. We

795
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 4: said we have a certain amount of material that's sixty percent.

796
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Speaker 4: You know, if that's at sixty percent, could go higher

797
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: and make bombs, or we can have you know, we

798
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: can dilute it if you'd like, or we can have

799
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Speaker 4: Russia to take it, like we're willing to. This is

800
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Speaker 4: what we have, Yeah, and we're willing to. Then you

801
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: suggest things, We'll suggest things to make it so that

802
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: you feel comfortable that it doesn't get weaponized.

803
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 5: So this Guardian report pops the same day that, as

804
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: we covered earlier in the show, NATO basically says, no,

805
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: we're not doing the straight up from use thing not happening,

806
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: which may have been intentional. It may have been a

807
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 5: strategic effort to kind of explain or to flesh out

808
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 5: the reasoning without you know, explicitly saying we were there

809
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 5: and we thought that this war never had to happen,

810
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 5: that there was actually an achievable goal on the table

811
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: that probably would have been better than war, whatever the

812
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: end of the war actually looks like. So that's that's

813
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: actually possible. It's the reason this is popping in the Guardian. Possible.

814
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 5: It explains there are all kinds of explanations for why

815
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Speaker 5: the NATO countries might not want to get involved with

816
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 5: the show from Moves, but this would be one of them.

817
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, yeah, it certainly could be. Also, like, there's

818
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: no military solution. Really, well, if there was a military

819
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: solution to it, the US would be able to carry

820
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: it out on its own.

821
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Speaker 5: Well, so this is let's put B six on the screen.

822
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Speaker 5: The Washington Post report from John Hudson yesterday, senior Israeli

823
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Speaker 5: officials have told US diplomats that Iranian protesters quote will

824
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Speaker 5: get slaughtered if they take to the streets against their government,

825
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Speaker 5: even as Israel publicly calls for a popular uprising, According

826
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Speaker 5: to a State Department cable not an anonymous source, a State

827
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Speaker 5: Department cable reviewed by the Washington Post very significant.

828
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Speaker 4: Ran Yes, and B eight kind of backs that up.

829
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Speaker 4: If we can put up this this is a this

830
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Speaker 4: is a drop site report from last night as Israel

831
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Speaker 4: calls for an uprising in Iran, bestiege militias, vow to

832
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Speaker 4: crush opposition to the state. So that's sort of backing

833
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: up Israel's claim that so the security services in Iran

834
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: are signaling very publicly at this point that they're they're

835
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Speaker 4: going to they're going to see protests at this point

836
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: as insurgency basically m M that. You know, there were

837
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Speaker 4: several days of protests in December January or early January

838
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: that were met with a very hands off response, and

839
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Speaker 4: then by like the third day or so, there was

840
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Speaker 4: this massive crackdown as and and as the Irania say,

841
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 4: like the Israeli infiltrators, massade, et cetera, you know, started

842
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: firing at security forces, they fired back. Either way. There

843
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 4: was a couple of days where it's like, hey, people

844
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: are upset about the currency crash, We're going to allow

845
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: these protests to go. And then then at some point

846
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: they didn't. Now they're saying forget it, like the second

847
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: that there are protests, were there's going to be a crackdown.

848
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Speaker 4: So this is a rare case of kind of Israeli

849
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: intelligence and kind of Iranian public statements aligning. So so

850
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: there was supposed to be some protests last night. It wasn't.

851
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: It didn't seem to be much that materialized. And you

852
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: can imagine why, Like, if you're it's it's it's clear

853
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 4: that it's it would be very difficult to mass that

854
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: amount of people even even as the Israelis are bombing.

855
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Speaker 4: They're bombing the heck out of besiege checkpoints and others.

856
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: Energy supplies in the U A.

857
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 4: Well, And so yeah, so now Iran is like is

858
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Speaker 4: retaliating against energy infrastructure.

859
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Speaker 6: This is there.

860
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Speaker 4: There's been this alleged dispute within between the US and

861
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Speaker 4: Israel where the US has been telling Israel not to

862
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: bomb Iranian oil infrastructure. They hit it anyway, and their

863
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: argument was, now, now Iran is going to bomb all

864
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: the Gulf oil infrastructure. But now Trump is out there.

865
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Speaker 4: You know, they hit carg Island, but they hit parts

866
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Speaker 4: apparently away from the infrastructure on the island.

867
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Speaker 5: After brain killed me, he instructed the president to do

868
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: this with Fox and Friends covered that last week.

869
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Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, and the Iranians keeps saying, this place

870
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 4: oil island. Then Iranians keeps saying, if you want to

871
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Speaker 4: take Oil Island, please make our day.

872
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

873
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: Putting thousands of American troops on one little island where

874
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Speaker 4: the Iranians can just fire at them from three directions

875
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Speaker 4: would would be just a military catastrophe.

876
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about Joe Kent. He had enough. Sager and

877
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Speaker 5: Crystal covered this yesterday. Obviously one of the highest ranking

878
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Speaker 5: intelligence officials in the Trump administration, Joe Kent resigned with

879
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: a letter. We're learning more and more, We're getting the

880
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 5: Postborums is right, and I mentioned earlier in the show

881
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 5: about what exactly went on behind the scenes as Joe Kent,

882
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Speaker 5: who was in targe of counter terrorism work close to

883
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Speaker 5: Tulci Gabbard. He posts his resignation letter yesterday, delivers it

884
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Speaker 5: to the president. Apparently behind the scenes, JdE Vance had

885
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Speaker 5: told him on Monday to just think about it, just

886
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Speaker 5: think a little bit about this, because they had a

887
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Speaker 5: conversation when Joe Kent said he was going to resign.

888
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Speaker 5: Trump gets asked about this in the Oval office yesterday

889
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Speaker 5: after the news breaks.

890
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Speaker 7: This is c one, You're director of National Counter terrorism.

891
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 7: Joe Kent, he just resigned today. He said he can't

892
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Speaker 7: support your conflict with Iran. What's your reaction to that,

893
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 7: and did you well?

894
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 8: I read his sabment. I always thought he was a

895
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 8: nice guy, but I always thought he was weak on security,

896
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 8: very weak on security. I didn't know him well, but

897
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 8: I thought seemed like a pretty nice guy. But when

898
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Speaker 8: I read a statement, I realized that it's a good

899
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Speaker 8: thing that he's out because he said that Iran was

900
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Speaker 8: not a threat. Iran was a threat. Every country realized

901
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 8: what a threat Iran was. The question is whether or

902
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 8: not they wanted to do something about it.

903
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 5: So in his resignation letter, Kent said he did not

904
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Speaker 5: Iran posted an imminent threat. You may remember Tulsia Gabbert

905
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 5: herself testified in Congress, what was that last April Ryan

906
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 5: before midnight hammer that Iran was not building nuclear weapons.

907
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Speaker 5: Tulsi Gaberg's actually set again to testify and from Senate

908
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: Intel today around ten am. So we'll be getting more

909
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 5: from that. But this is Telsi Gabbard's statement. We'll put

910
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: this up on the screen. Donald Trump was overwhelmingly elected

911
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 5: by the American people to be our president. And Commander

912
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 5: in chief. As our commander in chief, he is responsible

913
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 5: for determining what is and is not an imminent threat,

914
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 5: and whether or not to take action he deems necessary

915
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Speaker 5: to protect the safety and security of art troops, the

916
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Speaker 5: American people, and our country. The Office of the Director

917
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: of National Intelligence is responsible for helping coordinate and integrate

918
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: all intelligence provide the President Commander Chief with the best

919
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 5: information available to inform his decisions. After carefully reviewing all

920
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 5: the information before him, President Trump concluded that the terrorist

921
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 5: Islamist regime in Iran post an inminitt threat, and he

922
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 5: took action based on that conclusion. So Ryan, reading between

923
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Speaker 5: the lines of that, it's not hard to see Tolci

924
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Speaker 5: Gabbard is hardly embracing the claim herself that Iron posted

925
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Speaker 5: an imminent threat. I saw Glenn slamming this as cowardly.

926
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Speaker 5: I think Sager did as well. You know, to be honest,

927
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Speaker 5: I have a totally different take on this, which is

928
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Speaker 5: basically that I think it's good there are remaining people

929
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Speaker 5: in the Trump administration who when these decisions are coming

930
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Speaker 5: across the transom, they're skeptical. And I would imagine that

931
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Speaker 5: both Tolsy Gabbard and Jadmans were privately skeptical. If it's

932
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Speaker 5: the case that they were not skeptical, that's a problem.

933
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Speaker 5: That's that's that's significant. If they were sniffling and saying, oh, yes,

934
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Speaker 5: this intelligence does appear to show an imminent threat, and

935
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Speaker 5: that's what they were advising Donald Trump because they could

936
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Speaker 5: tell that's what he wanted behind the scenes. That's terrible.

937
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Speaker 5: I think it's It was a brave decision from Joe

938
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Speaker 5: Kent too, so I don't know what's happening behind the scenes.

939
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Speaker 4: The problem on the on the Toulsi point though, is

940
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Speaker 4: there's no evidence that she has any influence in there.

941
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Speaker 5: She's been apparently cut out of briefings.

942
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Speaker 4: Right, So if you're in Kent probably was too. If

943
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Speaker 4: you're so, if the argument for staying in is that

944
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Speaker 4: you're going to use your you're going to sell your

945
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: soul and like it's debase yourself. But internally you're going

946
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 4: to be able to make the argument, that's one thing.

947
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Speaker 4: But if you're also cut out of the process, like

948
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Speaker 4: you know, Soccer probably has more influence in there than

949
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Speaker 4: Tulsi at this point.

950
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Speaker 5: Well they'll they would replace her with a like total

951
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: stooge at some point. So if I had to, like,

952
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 5: do I think it's a profile encourage Likely not, I'm

953
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 5: not saying that, But I also am not like clamoring

954
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Speaker 5: for some ceremonial resignation, though I think what Joe Kent

955
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Speaker 5: did in specifically citing his disagreement being over the question

956
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Speaker 5: of an imminent threat was brave as well. So I'm

957
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Speaker 5: not coming down hard on either side of it. But

958
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Speaker 5: I also just don't think it's the worst thing in

959
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 5: the world to still have somebody who may be like,

960
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 5: we have a chance that she's being skeptical behind the scenes,

961
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Speaker 5: whoever her replacement would be. I'm sure that's that's not

962
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Speaker 5: true at all now.

963
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Speaker 4: But a second one, The last thing Tulsa has to

964
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Speaker 4: do to me is that's the only power she has

965
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Speaker 4: left is to make a principled resignation. Yeah, because then

966
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Speaker 4: you'd have two back to back, which would it tell

967
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Speaker 4: the public something more than just the one.

968
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And she's testifying in front of Congress today, which,

969
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Speaker 5: by the time this airs, what I said, may age poor.

970
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Speaker 4: Saving it for there, and she's kind of just go

971
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Speaker 4: full worth and she resigned right there in front of Congress.

972
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Speaker 5: But what I just said, may age very poorly in

973
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Speaker 5: the next hour, because she's probably going to go to

974
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Speaker 5: Congress today and agree that there was an imminent threat

975
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Speaker 5: in some way or another, even though she didn't in

976
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Speaker 5: her statement.

977
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Speaker 4: After Joe Kent, So probably right.

978
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it may age poorly in just an hour.

979
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Speaker 6: Was ever lost money betting on Taltia to cave.

980
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 5: It's the reports that actually were coming out of a

981
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Speaker 5: place like Fox News, where people were just citing anonymous

982
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Speaker 5: administration officials. Did you see this happening all day? Anonymous

983
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 5: administration officials were saying that Kent was quote a leaker,

984
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Speaker 5: a known leaker.

985
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 6: They leaked that he was a leaker.

986
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 5: Incredible stuff, and it was getting passed on seriously by

987
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: people who are otherwise skeptical of the media but are

988
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 5: generally supportive of Trump's war, being like, see this is

989
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: Kent had to go. Kent had to go. And it's like,

990
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Speaker 5: maybe apply a little bit of skepticism to anonymous leaks

991
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 5: about someone else being a leaker, but that, yeah, I

992
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 5: saw Fox News had that yesterday. Other news outlets had

993
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 5: that yesterday. Just completely ridiculous, completely ridiculous stuff all around.

994
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro, not a fan of Joe Kent's resignation letter.

995
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 4: Let's roll see three.

996
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 10: Joe Kent quit his job at the National counter Terrorism

997
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 10: Center and issued a scathing letter designed to undermine President Trump.

998
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 10: The letter is deeply, deeply conspiratorial, it states openly. They

999
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 10: quote Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and

1000
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 10: it is clear that we started this war due to

1001
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 10: pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.

1002
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Now that is conspiracy trash.

1003
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 10: It's also kind of strange since President Trump has said

1004
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 10: that it's conspiracy trash.

1005
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: So apparently Trump is so.

1006
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 10: Deeply, deeply enthrall to those strange, powerful American lobbies.

1007
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: We're not going to say.

1008
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 10: We're not gonna say it that he apparently has been

1009
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 10: so bamboozled by them that he's still under the impression

1010
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 10: that he's his own man.

1011
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. President Trump is his own man.

1012
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 10: He makes his own decisions, and as for our usual arrangement,

1013
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 10: Trump's critics are cowards who are simply unwilling to acknowledge

1014
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 10: that Trump is the one making the call. But Joe

1015
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 10: Kent continued, quote, early in this administration, high ranking Israeli

1016
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 10: officials and influential members of the American media deployed a

1017
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Speaker 10: misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America First platform and

1018
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 10: sewed pre war sentiments to encourage a war of Theran.

1019
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 10: This echo chamber was used to deceive you into believing

1020
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 10: that Ron posted imminent threats to the United States and

1021
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 10: that should you strike now, there was a clear path

1022
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 10: to a swift victory. This was a lie and is

1023
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 10: the same tactic the Israelis used to draw us into

1024
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 10: the disastrous Iraq War that cost our nation in the

1025
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 10: lives of thousands of our best men and women. Again,

1026
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 10: the idea here seems to be that President Trump is

1027
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 10: a moron misled into war by nefarious Israelis and unnamed

1028
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 10: influential members of the American media. Don't don't saints again.

1029
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 10: Apparently President Trump has no agency and no thoughts. Kent's

1030
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 10: letter is replete with this conspiratorial idiocy, including, as we

1031
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 10: just saw, the idea that it was Israel that forced

1032
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 10: the original Iraq war, an idea totally and utterly unsupportable

1033
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 10: by any evidence, given the fact that the actual Prime

1034
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 10: Minister of Israel at the time, Ario Sharon, opposed the

1035
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 10: Iraq War. This stuff is brain rot Now listen, we

1036
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 10: should all be thankful for Joe Kent's long and honorable

1037
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 10: military service. We can also be glad that he's leaving,

1038
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 10: since his ideology is the same as that of Tucker Carlson,

1039
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 10: the guy who says that the war is disgusting in

1040
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 10: evil and who has been busy sexting with Damala's. Tucker

1041
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Speaker 10: Carlson calls Kent a personal friend and quote the bravest

1042
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 10: man I know. Frankly, I think that it is a

1043
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 10: good thing that Kent is not in this position. We

1044
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 10: cannot have a director of counter terrorism who is somehow

1045
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 10: advocating preemptive surrender to the world's leading state sponsor of

1046
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 10: terrorism in the middle of a war.

1047
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Speaker 4: In that letter, Kent also talked about his wife being killed,

1048
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: and let me read exactly from the letter, quote in

1049
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 4: a war manufactured by Israel, and his wife was killed

1050
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 4: in an ISIS bombing in twenty nineteen in Syria.

1051
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 6: So Kent really going all the way in. I would

1052
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 6: argue there's.

1053
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Speaker 4: That there's more evidence to say that Israel fueled the

1054
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 4: Syrian Civil War than there is that they drove us

1055
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: to war in Iraq. We had our own motivations to

1056
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: go to war in Iraq. But there were plenty of

1057
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: other reasons that Syria descended into civil war that weren't Israel,

1058
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: though Israel certainly did fuel it and benefit from it

1059
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Speaker 4: and annihilate the Syrian military after al shar took go over,

1060
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Speaker 4: et cetera. But it is interesting that he's laying everything

1061
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 4: on Israel there, like this is pretty yeah, this pretty maximalist.

1062
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 5: Yeah take yeah, well, but then at the same time

1063
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 5: to dismiss it as entirely conspiracy trash. It's basically like

1064
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 5: the same level of the CIA intentionally calling things conspiracy theories.

1065
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 5: When you have the President of the United States, the

1066
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 5: Secretary of State, the Speaker of the House saying we

1067
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 5: struck when we did because of Israel, that is just

1068
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 5: the plain fact they said that. They have, of course

1069
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 5: fleshed the point out by saying it was the precipitating

1070
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: factor of the when it happened, that was the reason

1071
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 5: for the exact time, and so yes, there's nuance to it,

1072
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 5: but they literally said that, And so to claim that

1073
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: what Kent is building here in the argument is just

1074
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 5: conspiracy track, that's completely ridiculous. Now I've said before, like

1075
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 5: I'm I think we should put blame plenty of the

1076
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 5: blame on ourselves, because there are a whole lot of

1077
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 5: people here in the United States, whether because they support

1078
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 5: Israel or they have other reasons for wanting to take

1079
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: down Oran, they want to take down IRN, They've been

1080
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: wanting to do this for decades. We didn't just do

1081
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 5: this because of Israel. But it would be the actual

1082
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 5: conspiracy theory would be to say that the actions of

1083
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Speaker 5: Israel had nothing to do with when we attacked.

1084
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like, what's a little bit of

1085
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: what's going on here?

1086
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Speaker 6: You tell me?

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Speaker 4: On the right is they they're new to this kind

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Speaker 4: of anti war posture and they're kind of feeling their

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 4: way around it, and Israel is something that they can

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Speaker 4: hold on to and feel stable in their criticism.

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Speaker 6: Of US war efforts.

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Speaker 4: And so it's just kind of simpler to say Israel

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Speaker 4: made us do all of these things, rather than looking

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00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 4: in Medusa's and staring it down and saying, oh no, no, like, yes,

1095
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 4: they're along for the ride, but they're a client and

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Speaker 4: the US itself is quite capable of driving all of these,

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Speaker 4: you know, horrific adventures without Israel. Is Israel gladly long

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Speaker 4: for a ride and instigating at times, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: But to put all of the blame over there feels

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Speaker 4: like a way to kind of wash ourselves of some

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Speaker 4: of the responsibility.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the anti war left comes to its

1103
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Speaker 5: position from an anti like a generally like anti imperialist,

1104
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 5: and often, especially the modern left, anti American, anti Western perspective,

1105
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 5: whereas the anti war right comes at it from a

1106
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: pro American perspective over and over again. And that's where

1107
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 5: the people are.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be hard as you learn more.

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Speaker 5: It's a different square to circle. Yeah, that's where the

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Speaker 5: people like Benjapiro are used to dismissing everybody who's anti

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Speaker 5: war as anti American. And so that's how you know

1112
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Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson's constantly called an America hater, or Joe Kent,

1113
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Speaker 5: probably even though he served his country's wife died for

1114
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 5: this country, is going to be called an America hater too.

1115
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Speaker 5: People on the anti were left in the like sixties

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Speaker 5: and seventies, who many people were veterans, got used to

1117
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 5: being called anti American. In some cases they would legitimately

1118
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 5: qualify as anti American. But from the right, I think

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Speaker 5: that's a good point, Ryan, It's coming at it from

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Speaker 5: different angles.

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Speaker 4: But like, I'm not anti American, I'm anti Israel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have a scape scape.

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Speaker 4: Don't blame the King, blame his advisors. No blame Trump,

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Speaker 4: blame his advisors.

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Speaker 5: You have escapegoat absolutely, and in some cases that genuinely

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Speaker 5: not just a trope, but like actually anti semitic. Yeah,

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01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 5: of course it is. I don't think it's anti Semitic

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Speaker 5: from Joe Kent, although he's been accused of that plenty

1129
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Speaker 5: of times, had a big falling out with Nick Fuentas.

1130
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Speaker 5: I think they had a call about whether Funtess would

1131
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: back him in that congressional race, and and he didn't know,

1132
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 5: and they've like Kent's is absolutely no fan of Fuenttis

1133
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 5: and has spoken at against that sort of thing, but

1134
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Speaker 5: he's pretty hardcore and like the the Dissident Right put

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 5: it that way. So that's interesting. I think that's that's

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Speaker 5: probably true Ryan, that if you are the pro if

1137
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 5: you're coming to the anti war position from a pro

1138
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 5: American perspective, you're looking for scapegoats.

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Speaker 4: And none of this is to excuse or say that

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Speaker 4: Israel's advice here or Israel's role here is innocent. It's

1141
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: not to say that at all. It's to say that

1142
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 4: we might be elevating them beyond what they what they deserve.

1143
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: Not in this case, though now I think Trump deserves

1144
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: to blame for going along with this. But Israel drove

1145
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 4: this war like this, this one certainly compared to Iraq

1146
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: and Syria, you could say that I think they were

1147
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: a driving force of it.

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but then you're getting into semantics. And that's the

1149
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,959
Speaker 5: thing where it's like to this with the conspiracy theory

1150
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 5: label is frustrating because it's all ultimately labeling a semantic

1151
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 5: debate a conspiracy theory. It's elevating something that is a

1152
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 5: question of like is Joe Kent literally saying the only

1153
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 5: reason for this war it didn't have anything to do

1154
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 5: with Donald Trump, And he's not saying that. He's saying

1155
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 5: that Israel played a major role in pushing us into

1156
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 5: this war. And he's using like like what he would

1157
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 5: probably argue is persuasive language from his perspective to make

1158
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 5: the point. But it's not completely like when you have

1159
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State on tape saying what the Secretary

1160
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 5: of State said, it's not a conspiracy theory at that

1161
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: point to say that they were part of what drove

1162
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 5: the war. And so maybe what you want is for

1163
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Speaker 5: him to use more careful language. That's an the criticism

1164
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Speaker 5: that Ryan just made, and it's entirely fair. But to

1165
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 5: go and call it a conspiracy theory, that's actually I

1166
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 5: mean again, that's the conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 4: And it's tricky because he's right about this one and

1168
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Speaker 4: so and this is the one that we're in right now.

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Speaker 5: He's right about the yeah, right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: He's correct about this one, yeah, Popp. But would keep