WEBVTT - The Man Who Caught Fat Joe Stealing 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.720 All right, all right, all right man. You know, before 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.520 we get started tonight, we've had a couple of losses. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.240 H you want to start off, you want to start. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:19.880 Us off, bro, Not really, man, I don't even want 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.800 to go to it right now. I can't remember. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.120 Yeah, I'm anna give a big shout out, man to 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.320 the homeboy go Mac man from a bud of law. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.159 He passed away today. I want to give condolences to 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.080 the homie man. We're gonna miss you, man. And you 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.280 know a other homie man out little et do that 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:39.000 when he's ready. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:39.240 Man. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.360 But we can't take life for granted, y'all. This life 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.600 is too short for bullshit and everything else. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:46.760 Man. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.560 We only here for a second, So let's fin in 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.760 that second. Let's thin that second being righteous, you know. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.200 For shall glad to have you back, dog, glad to 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.480 have you back this week? Man, you know not, I 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.680 wish it wouldn't have been under those circumstances. You know. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.160 Yeah, shit happens, man, and it be just like sudden. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.120 You know, you can accept some type of shit. You know, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.040 we all men, and we're supposed to be staying strong 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.840 and be built. But man, it's just it's just some 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.040 shit that happens man, that you can't even it just 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.240 it just knocks you down. It should should just be unexpected. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:35.120 I guess that would be the real killer about it. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:39.319 It'd be different when you know people and they going 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.759 through some stages, you know what I'm saying. I mean, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.560 you know death is coming to us all. But you 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:52.520 know when it's somebody that you just like that, like 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.360 it's impossible, man, Like how did how It's impossible? 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:58.680 And then. 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.000 Coming up like how we came up? Man, You always 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.480 expected to be on some oh somebody shot my nigga, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.520 or somebody did this, or my nigga went to prison 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:18.320 for a hundred years or some shit. When it's on 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.720 some like when it's on some like medical shit that 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.600 you can't understand, that shit like it fuck with you 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.119 because that's the shit that take you suddenly. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:29.560 You know. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:31.800 You know, if a nigga out there on the block 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.240 banging and serving or whatever, somebody might come by and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.920 try to hit you. That's the chances we used to take. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.920 You get me. But seeing you go through all of 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.240 that and you make it to a certain age and 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:49.800 you know, grandkids and you're chilling and whatever, and next 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.880 thing you know, bam. You know what I'm saying. You 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.600 get that phone call and now you rush into somebody's bedside. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.919 You feel me that shit is crazy? Yeah it is, man, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.120 You know it is. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.040 Man. We can't take it for granted. Man, it's like 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.520 in the blink of eye, like literally, you know, in 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:09.320 the blink of an eye. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:09.520 Man. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.600 You know, one second you hear, the next you gone. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:11.840 Man. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.560 You know, we talk a lot about music, man, I 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.120 mean you we've had discussions on the show before about 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:24.160 the music industry just being really cutthroat. Today, man, we 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.799 got like sort of a detective. I'd like to call 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.959 him a forensics expert, right, you know, the homie gool Man. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.200 Who's happening? Man? 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.040 Hey, first off, my conngolences, see you loved ones. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.080 Good luck. Yeah, I appreciate that. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.720 So gone Goo. Let me ask you, man, your name 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.840 is really unique, man, gon Goo? What is that? 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.160 My grandfather named me? He was headed the household. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:50.440 Man. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.200 You know, I don't know it's African or something. I mean, 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.440 my grandfather's in like fifth grade, but I never really 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.640 got it his it, but you know it stands out. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:02.320 It's unique. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:02.720 You know it. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.600 You know it's you know, I guess it obviously it 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.360 stands out, you know what I'm saying. I mean, it works, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:10.920 It works for me, It works for me. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.080 Yeah, I bet if your grandfather names you probably means 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:15.040 something real powerful. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.000 Yeah, it supposed if it's supposed to be like an 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.520 African witch doctor or something. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:20.880 I mean, that's the story I was told. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.080 I was there was a whole story to it, but 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.359 you know I forgot about I forgot, I forgot. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.480 Well, you know, I'd like to call Ghanghu a forensics expert. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.960 He like a detective. He liked those cats on the 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.000 first forty eight to come in when the bread is 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.560 messed up and not right, He's gonna come in and 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.120 find it and the ain't no how in it front of. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.479 Him, right. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.839 I do forensics on the royalty side, So I consider 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.159 myself a forensics royalty specialist. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.920 Now that means you don't benish from everybody's business then, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.359 because you know, hip hop is one of those arts 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.880 man where everybody got a horror story. Everybody don't been robbed. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.279 Yeah, man, I mean I seen it all, man, definitely 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:00.800 seeing it all. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.640 And it's going to continue, and you know, I mean 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.080 it can happen purposely or even by mistake. You know, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.440 sometimes the system is just messed up too, you know 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.640 what I'm saying. That's paying out you know, bad software, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.880 you know what I'm saying, Just you know, and it 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.480 just spits out and you got to catch it. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.640 Yeah, So how did you get into this business man? 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.400 Because this thing is outworking to publish a business. But 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.720 your side is kind of different. 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.000 I mean, I grew up with some cats. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.440 I used to be around the sugar Hill family. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.640 The father, you know, was trying to teach me titbits 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.599 on the Royal East side that I would consider that. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.599 He was pretty much an expert on the publishing and 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:39.960 master side of the business and stuff. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:40.920 And you know. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.480 When you come out of high school and a lot 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.960 of people were just knocking on his door, coming by 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.040 the wall, basically coming by his studio, trying to learn 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.920 the music business. You know, he had a door open 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.200 for a lot of people. He was teaching a lot 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.600 of people. You know what I'm saying. My family knew 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.560 his family, so I had an open door policy to 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.719 deal with him. And you know, he was able to 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.880 you know, I was able to learn a couple of 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.080 things from him, even though you know, I was learning 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.400 stuff on my own and stuff. But he was able 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.840 to you know, put you know, add some add some 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.720 season into what I what I already knew, and then 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.400 you know, I was able to go out there on 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.839 my own and try to like, you know, just find 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.440 you know, my own resolve on on issues. But it 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.400 took a lot of ringing ring experience. You know what 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.200 I'm saying. It's like you can't jump into the fight, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.760 you know, against these experts. You're gonna get beat up, 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.520 you know, all around the ring, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.160 So it took a lot of court cases, reading a 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.960 lot of contracts, seeing a lot of pain, you know 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.640 what I'm saying, experiencing the pain, you know, gaining a 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.960 lot of emotion, gaining a lot of motion from from 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.479 from your clients, and stuff like that that would motivate you. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.720 Reading a lot of books. You know, it took a 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.760 little bit of everything to get where I'm at. You 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:58.360 know what I'm saying, Good lawyers, better lawyers. You know, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.720 it's it was just that it was just a bunch 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.400 of ingredients. You know what I'm saying. That that that 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.320 that that I ate, you know what I'm saying that 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:08.080 I ingested. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.720 I ingested a lot of ingredients. You know what I'm saying. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:12.920 Yeah, yeah, I am. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:13.960 Now you know what I'm saying. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.280 What's the you know, I'm gonna jump right into it, man. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.840 What's the most scamba's case that you've seen? Man? Of 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.160 just somebody taking advantage of somebody. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.160 I mean I got a couple, man, I mean I've 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:27.840 got I've got numerous cases. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.680 I mean, well, you know, we got all. I want 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.480 to hear about them, man, because I think it's important. Yeah, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.600 I don't realize how to protect themselves. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.240 All right. I had a client one time. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.480 Back in twenty ten or something like that, twenty eleven, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.240 This lady Venus Dotson. She had a tax bill for 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:54.440 six figures, you know what I'm saying, and make along 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.080 su a short. You know, she was like, I never 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.200 why would I have a six figure tax bill? You 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.440 know what I'm saying, Like, I've never even made no 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.640 money in the industry like that. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:03.360 You know what I'm saying. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.760 Basically, say, okay, so say, for example, somebody took MC 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.560 eight's name and was taken well, basically, somebody was taking 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.440 MC eights checks and cashing MC eights checks under his 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.160 government name. So say if mcs would be in my 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.960 ass cap or something like that, he was getting writer 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.679 checks under his government name. Somebody was cashing their checks 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.160 and getting the checks cashed under under their government name. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.080 But they but you'd have to pay the tax bill 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.800 because under the government name the checks were for you. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.480 They just got me directed to somebody else's mailbox so 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.000 they could cash them, you know what I'm saying. So 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.079 that's happened often. I know a few clients that that's 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:43.319 happened to. I mean, obviously the big pun case was 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.240 was was messed up. I mean, uh, you know, I 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.720 think people know by now. You know I met the 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.800 Punk family and the homeless shelter. You know, she was 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:58.559 receiving fake royalty statements for fourteen years. You know, I 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.880 had to take people, you know what I'm saying. You know, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.000 I had to take Joe to court over that and 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.000 his publisher to prove that the royalty statements that they 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.960 that she was receiving was fake. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.160 For fourteen years, from. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.679 About twenty fifteen or somewhere around there, she was receiving 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:19.000 fake royalty statements to keep her unrecouped while while they 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.600 were really cashing the checks. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.160 Wow. So he was sending her fake statements, like statements 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:27.360 he'd made up of his own that weren't there. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.319 Well, he was telling this publisher to make fake royalty 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:31.680 statements so they whack up the money. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.320 Okay. Wow, So you would rather see your man because 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.880 you know, he talks about poem with very high regard. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.120 And it's kind of crazy that she would like allow 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.720 your homeboy's family to stay in a home with Selter 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.240 and we had money for him. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.600 I mean, it was a game, agreed. I think he 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:51.400 created somebody. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.240 He created somebody so spectacular that he just felt that 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.720 like that artist was his, no matter what, that not 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.800 even from inheritancy, Like that's not yours, that's my you 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.880 know what I'm saying. I mean that just that just 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.720 seems like that was the mentality, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.840 He didn't care that. Like just imagine she's like, hey, Joe, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.079 you know what's up with the money. There's no money? Okay, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:12.760 Hey Joe, I need to pay rent. You know, I 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.000 got Pun's crib. I'm about to lose her. Ah, there's 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.840 no money. Hey Joe, I'm living at my friend's house 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:18.360 with the kids. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.040 Hey, no money. No money. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.840 Hey, Joe, I'm living in a homeless shelter, like anything 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.840 with the money. There's no money, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.200 So he actually sort of transition of all of that happened, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.400 and he still he still was sending her fake groalthy statements. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:34.839 So he didn't care because you got to you got 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.120 a two million dollars, right. 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.880 I mean, I found two point three in the in 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.880 the I paid an orderor we. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.880 Found two point three million dollars missing during discovery. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.040 And it wasn't even all the discovery, you know, they 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.680 were they were missing pages in the discovery, you know, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.440 and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.240 I mean, we could took the trial and found more 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.199 money and stuff. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.240 Like that for sure, but you know, we had, you know, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.439 there was a choice to you know, basically went to mediation, 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.280 you know what I'm saying, and we got the catalog 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.280 back from him and h Basically the publisher was getting 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.320 twenty five percent due to the fact that he brought 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.600 into the copyright due to advance, and then the other 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.800 seventy five percent was thirty seven and a half thirty 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.280 seven and a half half of Joe and half for 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.240 the pun of state, and we were able to get 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.160 you know, Joe's portion back because he got all the 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.160 blame in court, you know what I'm saying, because you know, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.880 he didn't pass over the money when he got it. 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.640 M you know what, And this ain't no, this ain't 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.240 me man. Oh you're trying to smear Joe man because. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.559 Not at all. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.400 He's not the only one. Is just reality. It's just 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.240 the truth, man. Truth. Sometimes it's bad. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:43.480 You know. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.920 You would think, though, because he talks about that man 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.280 with very high regards, you would think, ain't no way 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.480 he gonn allow his man's wife and his baby's to starve. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:52.320 You feel what I'm. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:56.600 Saying, Uh, you know, I mean he had the options, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.000 and he took advantage of whatever option he had to 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.080 go left or right, you know what I'm saying. And 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.640 you know, I'm just glad that I was able to 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.560 prove that the Royalty students were fake because maybe even 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.880 to this day, they probably be sending a fake royalty stavements. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:19.040 You know it seemed like, man, during the early days 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.960 of hip hop, it was a lot of that going on, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:23.960 and I think that was just because that was the 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.240 status quo. Kind of you know, you sign somebody, you 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.360 take the publish in. They don't really get no money 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.640 outside of what they give in the road, and that's it. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.280 They kind of you know, going to oblivion or whatever. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.240 Right, It's happened to the best of them. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:35.680 I've seen. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.520 I've seen run DMC in corporate Steve plot Nikki profile 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.800 records because Steve plott Nicky was sending one d fake 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.640 royalty statements. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.800 Uh, you know what I'm saying. One of the biggest 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:46.520 groups in the world. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.360 I mean yeah, but I mean but they also got 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.920 a lot of licensees like Christmas Holliday Records and all 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:53.600 that type stuff. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:54.079 You know what I mean. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.079 That God was able to man, Yeah, that God was 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.600 able to Yeah. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.280 And they even they even lost the court case. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.640 You know what I'm saying, because you know, they had 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.600 lack of knowledge and lack of technique to how to 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:07.800 fight a veteran like that. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.240 You know what I'm saying. I mean, this guy's experienced. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.120 In my opinion, it just seems like he don't like 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.439 paying black people, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:21.400 That's just my opinion, and. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.080 I mean that's from my experience because I took him 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.000 to court before too, and stuff like that. And I 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.640 mean everybody I noticed black is getting manipulated from him 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.880 somehow somewhere. You know, there's a whole complaint border on 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.000 him basically from artists that call me. You know what 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:37.040 I'm saying. And uh, I mean Rob Base was signed 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:42.199 over there. I think DJ Quick signed to Profile Records 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.560 camp Low. Yeah, but I don't know it's never spoke 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.000 to him about it. But I'm just saying, but he's 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.600 one of those guys that in his contracts he didn't 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.400 give out publishing. He was just giving up royalty. You 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.800 didn't you didn't have publishing. You just you was just 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.800 getting you. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.000 Know, publishing like that. You know what a lot of 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.360 like we wasn't get. Yeah, I didn't get publishing even 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.599 though it was there. I know shit about it. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.839 Yeah, I mean done, Hey, bo, I would just sign 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.720 the same contract they did, just because I know what 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.480 I know now back then, being so and so aged, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.600 I would have seen I would have signed the same contract, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.200 you know what I'm saying. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.800 So I'm no genius at eighteen twenty years old. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:22.480 You know what I'm saying. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.560 You know what the thing is though, kind of going ay, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.120 nobody can give you your publishing. That is your right. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.640 The moment you go in thatial intellectual probably the moment 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.520 you go in and write over the beat or whatever. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.880 It's supposed to be a marriage between the producer and 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.080 the artist the writer. You know, you've got the you 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.280 know y'all, y'all both joining the orders of that copy 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.520 right right? Can't nobody give me the publishing? Somebody was 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:47.640 writing all your reps for you. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.800 I'm just saying, Bob, but we're eighteen twenty years old, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.440 We don't you know, we're thinking at forty something. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:54.760 Fifty years old. Now, you know what I'm saying. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:15:00.520 Fifty something years old, eighteen nineteen twenty years old, you know, 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.560 signing the Bad Boy or something like that or whatever 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.920 label to where they get a piece of publishing and 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.680 stuff like that. I mean, I mean, number one, you're 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.560 you're pretty intrigued by the advance. You know what I'm saying. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.800 At eighteen nineteen years old, you see the advance. You 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:15.800 know what I'm saying, that's one thing. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:16.240 Let's go. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.520 You know what I'm saying, he's gonna they're gonnaet a 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:19.960 little piece of the publishing. You don't even know what 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.960 that pretty much means eighteen nineteen years old. You know 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:22.440 what I'm saying. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.200 You don't, but yeah, and you just you just run 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.040 you just running with it. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.440 I mean, I hate a lot of people argue about 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.160 puff now at forty years old, forty something years old 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.560 because because they're all the naw they realized what the 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.600 value of the publishing is now they now they understand that, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.200 oh I lost a piece of my real estate, you know. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.360 But but just think that even happened a biggie. The 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.360 guy had a piece of biggie too. I mean, it 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.760 doesn't matter how big you are, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.200 It happens to the best of them. You know what 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:48.520 I'm saying. 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.200 You could beat Michael Jordan of the rap game at 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.440 the end of the day. But when you're eighteen nineteen, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.640 you signed, you signed this contract. You know what I'm saying. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.600 It just it just it just is what it is, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.480 you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's better that 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.440 than getting the royalty at the same time. I mean, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.280 you know, at least it transcended from the royalty stage 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.960 to where you get your own publishing entity. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.720 Right, how prevalent. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.120 Was that, like with what's one of the older labels, man, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.000 one of the one of the premier labels, what was 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.640 the label came and signed. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:21.440 To, Yeah, Coach Killing. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.440 I meant, I got Coach Chilling clients and stuff like that. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:26.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.440 We got terminations and got them the entity back and 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:29.160 stuff like that. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.240 It was, like I said, that was that was pretty 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.000 much a template of the eighties. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.120 You know what I'm saying. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.600 That was just an eighties But once again, eighteen nineteen 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:45.640 years old Chantey was Chantey was fifteen sixteen when she signed. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.240 You know what I'm saying, I mean, who what? 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:51.080 Hey? Man? 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.760 You know what I'm saying, what do you what do 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.440 you know with that? Sixteen years old? 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.880 Hey, I'm supposed to oh, my publishing, my copyrights supposed 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.080 to be like this and like this, Like idan, I 0:16:59.080 --> 0:16:59.920 can't hurt out the room. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:00.920 You know what I'm saying. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.560 Wow, you know that. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.359 Look back then, you wouldn't even have a deal. I 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.200 get you out the room. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.840 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, we'll call you, yeah exactly. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.120 You know what I'm saying, Yeah, we hit you later 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.200 on because you know too much. You talk. Youre about 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.240 to call some problems. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.760 Yeah, but I'm just saying, man, I'm just glad that 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.119 you know, these people graduated, you know what I'm saying, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.480 to be the people who they were in the business. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.880 You know, a lot of these people are soundtracks are 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.879 my childhood and teenage years, high school years and stuff 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.240 like that. You know what I'm saying. When you're that age, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.680 you don't really know the stories like that. You know 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.840 what I'm saying, like, oh, this person is not getting 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.200 paid like that and stuff like that. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.280 You're more like seventeen eighteen. Look at them like a superhero, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:45.920 you know what I'm saying. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.879 You know, And like we talked about earlier off the year, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.080 it's not always just some big evil executive somewhere that's 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.480 just certain stuff. Sometimes it's a case of people not 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.359 understanding business as well. You know, like you said, you 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.760 get in advance and you spend money, people spend money 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.880 on putting your record out and certain things, and you 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.560 you know, you may sign a piece of your publishing 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.679 or I think it kind of is a great area 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.560 as when you just do it, when you just do 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.000 somebody wrong for lack of knowledge and you don't explain 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.280 to him, Hey, we're doing this deal I'm going to 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.920 give I'm gonna put your record out, but it's changed. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.280 You're going to give me twenty percent of your publishing. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.560 That means this, You give somebody a choice. You feel 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:23.080 what I'm saying. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.439 I feel you. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.760 But I just think in this business, this game is 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.680 for keeps. You know what I'm saying. That's the mentality 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.080 is for keeps. I mean, just think well, I mean, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.399 just think in the sixties, Roulette, Morris Levy, you know, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.560 guys like that throughout the era. The tradition just gets 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.920 passed on. You know what I'm saying. You know, it's 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.240 just like yo, like yo, here's the handbook. You know 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.360 what I'm saying now, mind you Okay. I was going 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.560 through a situation with Puffy one time, right back in 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.560 like twenty twenty one. He called my house, Well, he 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.760 called myself up when I was hanging, you know, doing 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.119 what in my living room and stuff like that, and 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.879 he was just like basically like yo, man, like you 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.040 see me discrepancies. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.560 Don't call my lawyer, don't call my publisher. 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:10.240 Just call me. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.679 This is my cell member, Just call me. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.880 You know what I'm saying, I'm. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.040 Looking at it like oh shit, like this is the 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:19.800 big homie because I used to be a bad boyal time. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.840 Like I'm like, okay, I'm gonna call you, like I'll 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.080 call you like you know what I'm saying. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.800 He had me like half hypnotized, like okay, like I'll 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.280 just call you about it, you know what I'm saying. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.879 And my client, my client was pissed. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.560 My client was like, yo, man, like I know he's 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.560 playing me and all this stuff, my money, this and that. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.600 So Puff called him up right, And when. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.000 I spoke to my client, I was like, Yo, so 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.960 what y'all talk about? He said, Yo? 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:43.159 You know? 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.879 Puff said to me. I was like, what do you 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.960 say to you? He said, hey, man, I'm just doing 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.000 what the white man taught me. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.080 See this nothing, you know what, man? I can understand 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.840 young cats doing something together and don't nobody know what's 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.679 going on, But you can't take bad habits. Dog, if 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.639 your father used to beat your mama, that don't mean 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.760 you beat your wife when you get married. You feel 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.000 what I'm saying, You know that don't mean you keep 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.280 some you know, bad habits going on. Example off, I 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:15.400 don't think that's an excuse. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:15.680 Man. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.640 I've always thought that publishing is an artist's legacy. Bro, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:24.280 that's mailbox money. Because hip hop is not like rock 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.080 and roll. Hip hop has a problem with ageism very much. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.760 So it's not like rock and roll to where you're 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.639 going to continue to be able to put our records 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.479 on a major label at the high left and get 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.680 big advances. No, eventually you're going to be putting records 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.560 out on your own. If you're putting them out at all, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.720 you'll probably still going to go on tour. But that's 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.040 supposed to be like your mailbox money. So when you 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.520 get older, man, you got that, you know that publishing coming. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.040 We got guys that have really big records. Man, it's 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:52.000 not getting the publishing. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.280 I mean, I see a lot of times puswa. I 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.639 just had a case today. Like I told you, I 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.040 would through six boxes of contracts today. I flew him 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.640 from DC to go to Maryland. My client drove from 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.240 Virginia to Maryland to meet up with meet it with 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.920 me and my lawyer at the lawyer's office. We were 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:14.280 in the conference room going through contracts, right, and you 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.520 know it's in a state. They inherited it. They inherited. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.200 They inherited this estate of works and stuff like that. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.640 And when the grandfather died, who did all this work? 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.159 When the grandfather died, his granddaughter inherited. So when the 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:30.800 grandfather died, the manager turned around. The Jewish guy manager 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.080 turned around and claimed him as all his and he 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.880 was selling was he was selling off the publishing, like, yeah, 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.560 give me a hundred thousand for these three songs, and 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:40.920 you know this and that, so I could live in 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:42.680 Beverly Hills and all this other stuff, you know what 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.080 I'm saying. So you don't know where angle is coming from, 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:46.640 you know what I'm saying. And a lot of times 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.199 when you inherit stuff like you're not going to know. 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.640 Like you know, if eight passed away and I talked 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.239 to one of his relatives and I say, hey, like, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.600 well eight oed me money, and they're not going to 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.119 know as much as he did because he was hands 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.919 over with the business. You know what I'm saying. The 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.840 state can be manipulated. This guy was manipulating. He was controlling. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.360 This guy died in nineteen eighty. He was controlling everything 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.040 from nineteen eighty to like nineteen ninety six. So what 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.760 was No, this is a guy named Lincoln Chase. He 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.680 sampled a lot jay Z, Mariah Carry Heartbreaker and stuff 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.240 like that. You know, he got a lot of works 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.600 and stuff like that that gets sampled and stuff like that. 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.439 But all I'm saying is that, you know, it's not 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:28.840 just hip hop that I do and stuff like that. 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.520 This was like I do jazz. You know, I got 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.240 a whole bunch of clients and stuff like that. But 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.399 I'm just saying, like, you know, what I'm saying is that, well. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.840 Shit, when you're doing work like that, so you got 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:41.720 to be able to and you got to be able 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.600 to broaden your horizons when you fucking with different type 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.560 of people, when you can prove that you can do 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:47.640 that type of different shit. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.800 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I agree, you know what I'm saying. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.400 So yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. My work 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.000 is diverse. So all I'm saying is that, you know, 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.760 there's so many different ways to try to stuff. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.320 You know what I'm saying, there's a lot of forgeries 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:02.919 in the business. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:03.600 You know what I'm saying. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.919 I think I might have said before, like his his 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.000 one trick that goes down, but by veterans, you know, 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.840 what I'm saying, I can are you asking it? 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:18.360 Being my eight I'm being a mind. Nigga stole my publisher. Okay, hey, 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:22.440 well okay, so okay, so you can do this. I 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.640 basically my first ever contract, I think I was seventeen eighteen. 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.240 I signed a contract with Big Beat Productions. 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.080 Oh Big, Big Atlantic, Big Beat, big Beat something, Big 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:34.920 Beat Atlantic. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.399 Okay, Big Beat Atlantic was Craig Kauman. This was a 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:43.119 nigga name, unknown out of Detroit. He had an independent 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.639 record label called Techno Hop. That's where I got my 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:51.960 first shot at. Oh wow, And so when I signed 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.200 a deal with him, because he basically had a deal 0:23:55.359 --> 0:24:02.600 on the table with Capital orpheus and so signed to him, 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.600 but I never signed a publishing deal. What he did 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.720 was he took a publishing contract and stapled it to 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.920 the back of my recording contract, and she was able 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.560 to take my publishing on the first two records. This 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:27.480 was like ninety that might be be resolved these days. Okay, people, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:37.679 but you and then people look at it as people 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.960 look at it from his side, probably like nigga, you 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.880 had to pay your dues, so look at that as 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:49.600 paying your dues, right, where would you be if if 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.680 a nigga would have never put you out? What would 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.320 you be if a nigga never decided to, you know, 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:56.800 drop a record. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:57.280 On you or whatever? 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:04.000 This ISMW yeah really yeah c m W. On my 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:09.040 first two projects, I didn't I didn't start probably getting 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.720 published until the group was just you. I wrote everything, 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:21.760 oh o, oh okay wrote I wrote all the lyrics. Nobody, nobody. 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.439 One nigga did the beats, and one nigga did the 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.440 raps and that was me. I wrote all the araps 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:28.000 for the group. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:33.680 Oh man, So I told you behind the scenes. 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:38.119 Right, So yeah, the niggas the nigga staple the publishing 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.880 contract to the back of the little record, and that's 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:45.359 how he was able to go to uh, the public, 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.600 That's how he was able to go get a publishing deal. 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.720 He went and got a publishing deal with the motherfucker. 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.199 And uh, he only gave me. He only gave me 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.199 some chump change. I think it was for like a 0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:00.800 hundred grand. The nigga, the nigga gave me some shit. 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:05.880 I could blow my nose with me. And he kept 0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:11.280 around that and he got about it. He got about 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.080 it was probably about one hundred thousand dollars publishing deal 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.480 and he got yeah, and they gave me about five 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.600 grand and he kept the rest. Right, how old are 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:26.120 you then? Oh shit, I was about eighteen nineteen years old. 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:26.600 Yeah. 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.400 See that's what I'm saying. We don't know no better. 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:29.400 You know what I'm saying. 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:30.800 I got. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:34.359 I just wanted to rap man. I ain't know about publishing, 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:39.160 and he was getting show money. No, I wasn't even 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.760 getting show money yet. I was just glad that I 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.000 had a record out. Okay, I hadn't even begun to 0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.520 start touring. I really didn't start touring till my second album. 0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:54.399 I didn't second album, W was so Lo CMW. Okay, 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.720 first album, it's a copy thing. I didn't do no 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.679 touring off of that. We sold a about close to 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.920 two three hundred, about two hundred and something thousand records 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:08.600 on this accomfent thing, and that was through Orpheus Capital, 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.800 and then they folded and so we ended up getting 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:19.679 picked up by Sony because Orpheus got picked up on 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:25.879 the deal with Sony, and so Orpheus had a deal 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.679 with Big Bet, which was who I was signed to. Okay, 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:39.120 but again i'm writing out, I'm writing everything that, all 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.160 the raps on all those CMW and m C eight 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:46.760 solo projects, I wrote all the raps. Nobody Ghoest wrote 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.400 none of that. I what made you go? What made 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:50.040 you go? Solo? 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:54.800 After this, after the second album. 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:57.679 The label my Nigga Chill kept going to jail and 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.840 they didn't want to keep pushing the cmb W line 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.359 when there was no CMW. It was just me and 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.159 the DJ. Chill was going in and out of jail 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:14.639 all the time, so it was just me. I was 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.800 doing all the songs, I was writing all of them, 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.240 I was doing all the videos by myself. I was 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.960 doing but I'm still going by confidence most warning mm hmm. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.920 They felt probably it was better to just break off 0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:33.280 and just deal with me as a solo artist's reliability 0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.520 less of a lie what you say. 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.560 Still, I see a plus for branding that pick because 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.320 it was very not confusing. But I used to think 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.640 confience most wanted was just another name for you exactly. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.120 There was never nobody else rapping it. He was always 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:53.880 only one rapping. 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:59.440 I was always I said, when you heard like you 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.160 really did hear Chill on songs because he was going 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:07.000 up in the window right, he was on the first version, 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:11.240 and then we did a remix and he wasn't on there. 0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:17.720 We did the original version. I wrote the verse, I 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:22.920 wrote the lyrics, we cut the song. Ah, you know, 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:29.160 we were still we were still Street Niggas. Then O 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.720 Niggas was getting in trouble. Still. Chill went to jail 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.840 that night after we left the studio, so when it 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.640 was time to go do the radio version, he wasn't around. 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.520 So I had to do it by myself because we 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.000 had just cut the original song for the soundtrack, and 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.959 then it blew up so good that they wanted to 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.440 push it on the radio. So I had to go 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:58.720 back in and do a radio version. And then Who 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.760 and then Sony, who I was signed to, They was like, well, shit, 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.760 we want our piece. So they turned around and put 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:09.280 out a Naxi single with a whole remix, a whole 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:13.560 different beat to growing Up in the Hood. Oh, it 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.360 was like three different versions of growing Up in the Hood. 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.120 It's we got we got three different versions. We got 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.520 the original with me and Chill, then there's radio version 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.000 with just me, and then there's the more bounds remix 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:27.680 with just me. 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.200 Oh but. 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:39.040 I never I never decided to go solo like that 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.960 was pushed by the label. They was like, man, why 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.040 push Contence most wanted? When Contence most wanted this year? 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.720 That was a dope name too, though you know what 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:50.200 I'm saying. 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:56.040 Definitely, but they probably figured, and you know, this was 0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:02.360 around the time where Image and James was everything. We 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.480 was already scaring niggas because we was young niggas black 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.320 with Jerry curls and khaki suits and ship like that. 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:17.040 They probably figured we would catch less. We would catch 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.920 less bullshit. If we go from Contence most Wanted to 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:26.000 MC eight, you give me M eight Contens most wanted, 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.560 even though he's Conten's most wanted. When you hear that 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:35.240 name push first, it's more relaxing than presenting Compton's most 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.400 wanted on somebody. You feel me. 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.880 That that's aggressive. 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.400 It's easier to go to radio with Hey, here's this 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:48.320 m C eight single. Then here's this Compton's most wanted single. 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:54.480 You get me? Yeah, I guess so, and go ahead. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.440 Still, you wouldn't lucked up with them one of no 0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:58.720 contract wizard. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.040 Who with Sony? 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:03.720 Yeah? 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:09.120 Yeah. After I did Conscience most warn it, they restructured 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.800 the deal to just an m C eight solo deal. 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.600 Hey question, would you recall, like you know, you being 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.120 in an aggressive group like that, would you recall if 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.800 they had life insurance in your contract? 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.800 I have no idea. I'm pretty sure I had one 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:28.360 of the old school contracts. Nigga was a yeah I got. 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:35.960 That ship, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.720 And then like the representation back then would like, you know, 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.960 it was just shady, you know what I'm saying. 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:45.800 Everybody he signed here. 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.360 I unfortunately, you know, came across a motherfucker who was 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.200 you know, he was out. He was out for the 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.520 money himself. You mean, Nigga didn't teach me anything as 0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.960 an older motherfucker who was a lawyer, who was a 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.080 motherfucking you know, who had been through the who had 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.479 been through the business. He used to work for Stax 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.320 Records back in the days. So you would think that 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.920 a motherfucker was school you on the eels of the 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.560 record business and publishing. And recall that Nigga to give 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:20.000 a fuck. All he wanted was every time a check 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.600 came in, where's my piece, where's my piece? And then, 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.360 like you said, in the long run, he was still 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:32.360 in my publishing because he had an attorney client trust account, 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:41.600 so my b and my checks, my sony royalty checks 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.400 would go to him. And because he had a client 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.240 trust account, he could just deposit the motherfucker into his 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:55.400 bank account, right and bingo, Like Nigga I hadn't seen 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.720 a royalty check or from I just started receiving being 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.120 my checks. And then Nigga I hadn't seen a royalty 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:07.520 check from Sony and who knows when, same type of 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:11.200 Angie Stone ship. Nigga, I ain't seen a check in 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.000 a billion years. And then one day the motherfuckers called 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.760 me and was like, hey, eight, we've been looking for you. 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.120 So I don't know, they're trying to cover their own 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:23.520 ass or whatever it is. 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.520 Yeah, I think they're trying to cover their ass because 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.840 they really when the motherfuckers start calling them about that 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:29.359 other ship. 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.160 You know, yeah, I've taken being by the court before, 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.239 over over forged signatures and checks being cash from you know, 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.280 by by other parties and stuff like that. 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:46.799 It's you know, yeah, behind the Wheelson times, you know, 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:51.239 on the court on some other ship m hm, and 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:58.360 motherfuckers say you made like about sixty last year, you know, 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:03.480 and in royalties or whatever, I'm like, no, I didn't, nigga. 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.839 I ain't seen a motherfucking to nigga. Bitch broke our paperwork, 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.439 like here's a check, here's a check, here's a check. 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.239 Now I'm looking at a nigga like where them chicksat? 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.319 Because they never came to me. Nigga was it was 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:21.920 cashing the motherfuckers. Nigga was cashing them. He was feeling 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.560 like they wouldn't. He would never get caught, you get me, 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:28.880 He would never get caught. And that's what happened, and 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:34.239 that's how we fell out. Right. I haven't heard from 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:38.040 the nigga since that was. That was decades ago. You're 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.520 getting you know, so you know what I mean, he's 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:48.160 still alive. I doubt it it is still alive. I 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.920 talked to his son, Yeah, but I doubted he was. 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.239 He was sickly back then, getting sickly. Like I said, 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.040 he was older, he was sick, the wheelchair all that 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.960 type of ship. So I wouldn't know if he passed 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:03.680 or not. But I'm pretty sure. 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.520 Yeah, he's not functioning, you know either. 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.360 Way, So what sony did? They just stopped sending the 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.120 checks out. I guess they started, you know, they got 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:17.040 to the point where they wanted verification of who they 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.840 was the money to. And when you can't send a 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.719 nigga a copy of your motherfucking driver's license, and you 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.360 can't send a nigga no notarized copy and signature of 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.040 this and that, they just stopped paying the checks and 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.440 then they contact me twenty years later. 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.960 Right, it's crazy, man. It should be time for you 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.120 to get those masks back. No, you should be getting 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.000 those catalog back. The catalog back. 0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:48.160 Yeah, my first CMW works. You know what I'm saying. 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.520 All of that is pre like ninety two, ninety three, 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.240 So you know you can call now. 0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:02.399 On the master and straight Back Music to try all 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.840 in early projects. Man, Sony's gonna want to They're not 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.200 gonna want to give you the Masterpact. 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.399 They're gonna want to renegotiate and give you a high 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.359 I've been getting emails from them about all we want 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.279 to repress the Straight Trekking album. 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.160 All we want to. You know. 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:23.759 They they using their little side companies, Legacy Department, Legacy 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:28.000 there you go. Yeah, that's that's who contacted me, the 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:32.200 Legacy Department. So like they got a dude who calls me, 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.120 and who tells me when I'm getting checks and all 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:43.200 of that, like like, yeah, they they try, and that's 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.040 what I said they was gonna do. They don't want 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.960 to get a ship up. No, I'm going through that 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.400 with Sony right now. It's still their channels, you go. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.720 You get what I'm saying. It's still going through their channels, 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.440 which means that whatever they collecting is still going to 0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:59.920 their bank account. They still collecting interest in all that. 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.239 All these labels, all these labels are in a fight 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.480 for market share, and they really don't want to give 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.440 nothing up. They want to keep market share, you know 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.600 what I'm saying. They want to keep all these records 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.280 they want to keep. It's a market share war between 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:13.479 these companies, you know what I'm saying. 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:17.840 And the thing with Legacy is too good. Legacys are profitable. 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:25.239 They've already been marketed already. And you did you Yeah, 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.400 can you have mentioned how much money you would make 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.280 if you started getting all your old album straight checking 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.759 them and you you press them up yourself, selling them 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.440 on the website. You can sell music to drive by 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.200 a fire four hundred dollars, bro, if you want to. 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.239 You probably well, the thing is is that? 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.799 I mean, yeah, you could that that would be one 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.080 option or the second options that you get your master's 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.920 back and then you just get them to you just 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.480 do it. You just do a license and deal with 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.799 them like a ninety ten like yeah, just keep it 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.719 in the loop. But I get ninety percent now you 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.200 know what I'm saying, or something like that. You know, 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:57.600 you got the python going, you know what. 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.720 I will not the music? 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.719 Yeah, yeah, let's do a ninety ten now, you know 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.080 what I'm saying instead of me getting uh, you know, 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.680 I got I got ten points in the artist woryalty 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.120 deal right right, Like, screw. 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:12.399 That, man. 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:19.000 You know what I'm saying, Hey, hey man, yeah, pretty 0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:22.399 much you're pretty much a commodity. Yeah what I say 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:28.320 for the birds man, Hey hey, I got Sony guys 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.480 like you that I found millions for in the audit. 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:32.280 You know what I'm saying. 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:34.480 You know what I'm saying, just do just due to 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.040 the fact that you signed a pre digital contract, all 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.560 that DSP, all that streaming ship, they owe you fifty 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.920 percent through the licensing exactly. So if you're getting ten 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:46.760 points right now, you're actually being paid underpaid five times 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.000 under than just will be getting five times more to 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.680 money through streaming YouTube spot right now. 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.000 We ain't had no deal for digital, Yeah exactly, We'll 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:03.000 just CVS and the fucking Alps. You do it right now, 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.000 one door. We didn't have no type of deal for 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:06.839 the albums. You do? 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:08.720 How many albums you do through the Sony system? 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.440 Oh? Ship at least at least twenty million? 0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:14.319 No? 0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:15.200 No, how many? How many? 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:16.480 How many albums did you do? 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:17.279 Oh? 0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:25.319 I did like Ship one, two, three, I did like 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:31.759 I did, like six albums for song I did like 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:33.160 albums for Sony. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.280 I need to I need to call you after this, man, Yeah. 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:38.879 What the thing it was? Do you remember a few 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.480 years ago I told you I had a dude that 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.680 was gonna help you out with your get your stuff. 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:44.120 This hit right here. 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:50.240 I did that straight checking you did. 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.520 To two c mws, and you did like four You 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.799 did like four solo thre you did like four solo life. 0:40:55.320 --> 0:41:01.359 Yeah, yeah, I did. Uh. I I did one CMW 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:06.319 because the first CMW album was on Orpheus Capital that 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:07.680 was on Capitol Records. 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:12.520 Okay, sons Universal owns that then now yeah, Capital says Universal. 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.880 So but I did straight checking them. I did music 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:22.120 to drive By, We Come Strapped, Uh, death Threats and 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:27.000 last Man Stand. I did five albums with something Yeah, you. 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:30.359 Need to holler at them. 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.319 And none of those and none of those was for 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.760 streaming in digital, Yeah, exactly digital contract. 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.480 Yeah, you need to holler at you all of a sudden, 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.520 you're gonna You're gonna pop up with seven figures on 0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.360 the order for sure, I can guarantee. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.480 I got a client. I got a client that did 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:46.480 two albums with Sony. 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.719 He's been dead twenty something years and we found like 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:51.759 almost three million on. 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.240 Him pre digital. I liked that word. 0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:04.160 I like that word still. Yeah, I told you get 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:08.120 all that dog, Yes, indeed they got. They ain't no 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.560 telling what they out there and don't collect it now Google. 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.720 You always hear rumors and stuff. I heard that biz 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.719 mark he is. You would think that, you don't, you 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.960 would think biz Marky wouldn't hurt a fly dog. I 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.000 heard biz was the most scanless dude in the world 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.759 when it came to published. Yeah. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.399 Man, sometimes sometimes you don't you don't want to meet 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:28.680 your heroes, you know what I'm saying. 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.760 I mean, I mean. 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.839 Yeah, I mean, I've gotten you know, co partners and 0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:38.440 other people like that, that he didn't abide by contractually. 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.680 You know, he didn't give them their divvy. You know 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.480 what I'm saying. And it's to catch me if you 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.359 can type thing now, you know what I'm saying. I mean, 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.680 it's it's it's quite unfortunate. I don't I don't really 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:55.200 think the wife understands what the catalog that she's holding. 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.719 There's there's there's there's money owed and stuff like that. 0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:59.839 You know, just matter as if you know, she might 0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:01.719 be feel like that she's a victim now because so 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.879 many people trying to higher at her about the money 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.120 and stuff like that. But you know, she just you know, 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.400 I think, you know, she got to come to an 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.560 understanding that he just didn't abide by his agreements. 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:13.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.680 He was supposed to give one client, I know, like 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:18.720 you know, I think they had a production company together, 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.239 like a seventy thirty or sixty forty or something like that, 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.279 and you know, he never got he never got royalty one, 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.000 he never got a cent from one record, never got 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.040 acknowledged for one record ever done. 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:31.279 You know what I'm saying. 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.440 Through the Bismarck catalog, you know what I'm saying, and 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.360 you don't remember a lot of sample related stuff. 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.120 Bismarck's probably the most. 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.640 I would take a guess and say he's probably he 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.520 probably made the most money for CoA Chilling as an artist, 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.359 you know what I'm saying, just due to the fact 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.560 that he was sampled. He was probably sampled a little 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:52.080 bit more than some other guys, you know, like Mario 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:54.800 turned Mario hit just a Friend R and B record. 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.480 You know what I'm saying things like that. You know, 0:43:58.000 --> 0:43:59.880 a lot of revenue was made through Bismarck. You know 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.120 I'm saying. I can't guarantee that he was the biggest, 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.720 uh royalty wise there, but there. 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:07.200 Was a lot of money being made, you know. 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:11.239 He had He also had other artists under there, Granddaddy, 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.919 I you, Diamond Shell, I think Kiri had his his 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:16.760 his first album through there, maybe a couple of other people. 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.160 You know what I'm saying. 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:20.799 He put Granddaddy you. 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.080 Owned, Yeah, that was his that was his artist, Yeah, 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:29.720 and that you was signed to. He came through Epic 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.319 Street when I was over there. 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:35.120 Yes, yes, the second album, Yeah, the second album. He 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:35.840 came to Epics. 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:36.880 So he came to epic. 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.759 Yep, yep, exactly, good memory, yep, exactly yep. 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:43.839 Granddaddy you was hard man. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.680 I mean he died trying to chase the royalty. I 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:47.000 was trying to help him. Then all of a sudden, 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.319 I already passed away. You know what I'm saying. Now, 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.480 you know Warner owns the master end of Coach Chilling. 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:56.839 Uh. 0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.040 Fly Tie sold the publishing portion because he was a 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.600 loud to because everybody he controlled the copy right, because 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.840 no one had a publish an entity. He sold that 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:10.120 to Charles Kopperman, a company called CAC Music. Charles copper 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.480 he got for it. I have no idea why I 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:22.960 suppose to. Charles Copperman told me that he felt like 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:24.920 he highly benefited from the fly Tie deal. 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:25.959 You know what I'm saying. 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.520 But he died when I was talking to him. We 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.920 were negotiating, trying to get Granddaddy you his money. All 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.680 of a sudden, he all of a sudden, he passed away, 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.319 you know what I'm saying. So we're fighting to try 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.720 to get the publisher. And now for the artist, where's tired? 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.719 I have no idea. I think somebody's one of my 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.359 clients yesterday said they sew him at a party last year. 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.000 I would assume he's in somewhere around New York. 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:52.720 Them dudes made a lot of money. 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.360 Yeah, but you know that money cut It might have 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.160 came in one. I think he sold that catalog in 0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:01.000 the late nineties or something. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:05.560 you know what you was over there, Molly Ma, Molly Mars. 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.960 You know, Molly Ma was the co chilling producer pretty much. 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.799 Yes, And he's pretty sure he's not getting what he's 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.239 supposed to get though, because he built they whole. For 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.360 a while, he was just the man out there. 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.359 Molly Ma was the He might have been the only 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.120 producer over there, right right right. 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.400 Eight for a while, right, I mean, I don't remember 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.759 anybody else for a while, the whole. 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:29.879 Car over there. Indeed, Okay, he was one of them. 0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.080 You come through cold chilling, your beat is getting done 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.400 by Marley Ma. That was all of them. Shante uh 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:45.279 is cool g motherfucker. Craig G came and came, yeah, yeah, try. 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.319 They all went through Marley. 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.919 Yeah, Molly's house and hits he hits the studio of State, 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:52.279 New York. 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:55.200 Let me ask you this, bro. 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:58.839 Then he came out with goes to the Underground off 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:00.399 off co chilling, you know. 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:06.640 Right right right, when you have guys like that. Man, See, 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.480 his most lucrative years were back then. It's not like 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.080 he's producing a lot of hip hop records right now. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:14.600 So I think it's very important. 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.520 Catalog is crazy, though, bro onemost catalogue is crazy. 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.960 Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's the joints man. And 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.160 think about it now, Think about how many people don't 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:24.839 went back to him. 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:26.800 I don't know if he got points. I don't know 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.719 if gave him points for publishing wise. A lot of 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.240 people seeing this stuff. Man, nah's this person, that person, 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.800 this person, that person. So he got extended catalog, you 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.160 know what I mean? He might have another eighty records 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.480 just from sample lated records derivatives. 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:45.080 Mm, exactly. You think about it like this, Hey, he 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:45.879 was the man? 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:47.640 Oh definitely. 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.440 I guess when you would you, Hey, would you consider 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.720 him like the East Coast j at one point? 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:54.400 Oh? Hell yeah, I would say so. 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:58.600 Around that time, Yeah, he he He touched a lot 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.480 of motherfuckers and ship like you said, a lot of 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.960 niggas then spunked off from this. Mama said, knock you 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:15.239 out killers like killers like shit, yeah, yeah. 0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:16.239 He was the man. He really, he really was the 0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.399 sound of New York kind of for a long time. 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.120 It was like and they was bumping out everywhere. 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.120 I don't I don't know anybody bigger at that time. 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.920 I mean there was competitors Herbie Lovebug and guys like that, 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:29.320 but they weren't. They were ma you know what I'm saying. 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.200 I mean, God bless you, but mar marm was getting 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:32.640 all the work. 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.080 Herbie love Bug was just more or less known for 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.960 everybody kind of had their own producers back then. Everybody 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:42.719 kind of had their own look like. 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.920 Oh yeah, you were to your people's ship. You go 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.680 outside the box, you know, Once a nigga turned you 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.960 on to a producer, that was it. You rolled with 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:57.080 that producer and ship. You didn't you didn't try to 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.640 go like we wasn't big on that, you know, back 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:04.279 in the days, like oh he doing beats and he 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:08.040 doing beats and he doing beats. No, we considered that 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:12.600 like within the crew, you get me, I'm the rapper, 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:18.160 he the DJ, he the beat maker, he the motherfucking muscle, 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:23.799 and then that's how we roll. And so projects we 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.520 don't go like, oh you heard that new Cube album 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:31.080 or the new NWA or blah blah blah, and go, oh, 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.560 we need to go get it. Dra was hard, but 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:35.440 we didn't go, yeah, we need to go get a 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.799 beat from Dre. Oh, so you weren't thinking nothing like that. 0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:42.200 We didn't. We didn't go we Pool was hard, but 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:44.680 we didn't go, we need to go get a beat 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:51.319 from Pool. Get slip handles, slip handles the production so 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:55.440 there's no there's no offens of butts, you know, slipped 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:58.640 into anything. A motherfucking need to be done, so we 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.320 don't need to go get this. The slipped to do 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.400 just as good. And so that's how it was settled. 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.880 We didn't run around trying to because we wanted to 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:13.120 keep our sound, you get me. And back then we 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:18.920 were very we're very high on not fucking with the formula. 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.600 You get me, like, you know, fuck with the formula. 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:28.080 Slip drums, that's what he does, Like we're not gonna 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:32.320 turn you know. We wasn't big back then on having 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.919 our album sounding all over the play. 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:36.920 What did y'all What did y'all use back then? Like 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:41.279 an SP twelve or NPC, an SPN once the MPs came. 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.320 He used the MP. The Slip was an SP twelve 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:48.400 hundred Master, and he was one of those motherfuckers who 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:52.200 would dig in the crates. You get I'm gonna fine shit, 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:58.719 I'm not gonna automatically go to what the supposedly sound is. 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:03.319 You get me. Body was using the Funkadelics and the 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:08.759 motherfucking Funky Worms and the Party George Clinton's and the 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.440 Fat Backs and everybody was using that ship. We wanted 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.319 to be different, Like, I don't want to wrap on 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.600 what everybody rapping on. It's so cliche. He typed bullshit. 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:23.600 So Slip Slip came up with our own sound. Mm hmm. 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:26.840 You got to think about to Slip was really digging 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.520 them crazies. Y'all had samples. Y'all was the first one 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.680 to come up with certain samples. Then I would here 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.640 a few years later other cats, you know, flipping them samples. 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:39.000 Y'all sit what you say? 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:43.600 So Slip was even doing the production when you and solo, Yeah, oh. 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:49.319 Okay, mm hmm. When I went solo. Uh, we used 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:54.239 to split production. We had formed the production team Halfhounds 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:58.680 Productions and we used Splip Productions. Slip used to do 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:00.560 half for the record, and I used to do the 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:05.239 other half or after while. I didn't play keys, but 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.560 I had I was producing. I had to. I had 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.680 all the equipment in my studio, and I would bring 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:16.200 in the dude to play bass lines and play with whatever, 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.520 and then after he would lay that and I would 0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.319 two track it or whatever. I turned around and come 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.319 up with the drum track. That's how I did. That's 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:28.880 how I did my music. And if I wanted some 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:33.600 of that extra difficult ship, I let slip do it. 0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:38.480 Slip out of cutting chop and slip take a motherfucking 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:42.120 voice and make a whole beat out of the motherfucker ship. 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:45.200 He made a motherfucking beat out of a commercial we 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:46.080 heard on TV. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:46.960 Nigga. 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.279 We were sitting uploaded one night, and that's how he 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.560 came up with straight checking them. 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:53.879 Is that right? 0:52:55.920 --> 0:53:01.719 Nigga went doom, doom, doom. Hey, don't say what commercial that. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:06.600 S? I? 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.680 He said, what commercial it is? Yet I'm just saying, 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:14.200 but yeah, Nigga dropped the motherfucker up like Nigga what 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.760 like like a motherfucker sushi chef. Nigga shop up bigger. 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.040 I came back a couple of hours later, nigga, he 0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:27.520 was banging that ship boom boom bom boom boom. I'm 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.279 like this nigga crazy is but he was just he 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.280 was creative. You didn't get get a lot of niggas 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.720 like that. Like I said, nigga, a lot of niggas 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:40.040 was simple with they beat making. Slip was a creative 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:41.799 motherfucker you feel you know what? 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:47.080 Bro Yeah, either because he probably could have had some 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.399 hill of a placements back things, y'all was big dude. 0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:53.799 We we did our thing. Like I said, we just 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.040 was one of those. It was one of those groups 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.960 who just fell in between the cracks on certain ship. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.680 It niggas didn't know what to do with us. You 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:03.360 give me. 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:05.759 To do. 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.000 You guys did six projects, you know what I'm saying. 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:12.160 I mean, well they you know back like that well 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:14.959 back yeah, you know, back then that was the era 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.279 if you sold enough records, you get another you get 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:22.680 another record. And so we was having seven album record 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:29.560 deals and indeed you had to just be But see, 0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:32.680 my thing was I sold records for Sony. You get me. 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:38.880 My records would go four fifty three eighty era, that 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:44.560 era that was significant for yeah, for for my type 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.959 of ship, because we don't even fuck with this type 0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:51.439 of ship. And look what's happening. We're selling fucking half 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:55.400 a million records. 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:54.840 No marketing money. 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.719 They wasn't doing ship for me. They wasn't doing a 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:02.040 goddamn thing for me. Just off the strength of of 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:07.520 of ship, like your MTV raps and and Source magazine. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.600 That's where they knew where to go because they knew 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:14.799 at that time everybody was stumbling through the Source, everybody 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.160 was watching the basement of rap City, and so they 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:21.120 just put me on there. Let's have an interview on 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.920 rap City, Let's put his face inside the Source magazine 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.480 and being being that's how I saw records and just 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:27.839 the work. 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.040 Are you able to extend overseas a little bit from 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:31.440 any of that? 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.000 I just I just came back from overseas. 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:38.080 Last week. 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:46.000 Okay, I go overseas at least once every two years. 0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:50.759 You still you still do the CMW music too, That's 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.120 all they want to hear. They're way in no new ship. 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.279 You know what I'm saying. Besides the solo stuff, they 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:56.400 still still you still do. 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.880 Yeah, I do all CMW ship, I go on tour, 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.680 I do everything from the CMW era that crosses over 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:09.400 into the MC eight solo era. So but everybody still 0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:14.320 look at it as it's it's still one thing, like 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.120 Most Wanted. You could say MC eight, but at the 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.799 end of the day, they're all in one. You get me. 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.880 You listen to Contor's Most Wanted records, you're not hearing 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.160 two people. You only hear me. Even though we were 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:33.520 contens Most Wanted that I kept that going until Sony 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:37.319 decided we ain't gonna do that no more. But I 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:41.640 never thought about going from Contor's Most Wanted to MC eight. 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.760 If I'd had my way out of still, I'd still 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:46.560 be going CMW to this day. 0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.319 Wow, you know what's funny, man, I remember you talked 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:55.600 about the Source magazine. I remember, Man, I had the 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:57.560 Source and I was reading the Source. You know, that 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:01.640 was the Bible back then. And they had a big 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.920 ad near man for music to drive by, and I 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:07.640 went and bought that CD from Tower and Lakewood. Either 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:13.440 Tower or we was the warehouse. You went to warehouse 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.320 the warehouse because I went out it was across the 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:17.720 street from the mall right there. 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:23.680 Because it was on Yeah, we said it was on 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:25.560 candle Wood once you got into. 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:29.200 I was in the Barns and Noble reading the saurs 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:32.040 right because Maria was shopping, my wife was shopping. We 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:34.840 kids back then, right, and I looked. I said, this 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.640 is hard because the album cover just really cut my eye. Right. 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:39.600 I went from there and we was on the way 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.680 back to the crib. I stopped at. I stopped at 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:43.880 the warehouse, bought that in something else. 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:50.480 Yeah, that's how we that's how we cover the sauce. 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:52.120 I was on the I was on the cover of 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.680 The Source twice. I had the solo cover and then 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.040 I had to cover with me Spice and uh, scar Face. 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:01.760 They said the ministers against the rip. 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.680 That's uh. That's basically was my marketing. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.960 Four issue where you were you and and there's a 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:12.720 ninety five. 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:17.640 One, right I did. I did the ninety four edition 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.320 right after I did Music to Drive By. That album 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.800 was in ninety three, so I got on the cover 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.840 with Face and Spice for that one. But yeah, that 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:31.520 was the way they marketed me. They wasn't gonna they 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.960 didn't They didn't go to radio. They didn't go to 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:37.880 advertising on radio or you know, paying them up for 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:41.200 her to play my song ten million times, they said, 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.360 fuck that, We're just gonna keep it in publications, and 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:45.520 that's how they marketed. 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.880 I mean I was buying all the back then. 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.560 I mean a lot of us was. I was buying 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.800 that ship to see who was hot it was, who 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:59.880 was on the mixtape, you know who, album was raided 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.960 this or that? And then sometimes a lot of the times, 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.920 I want to read the articles you get when they 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:08.400 do those big layouts on the nigga. I want to 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:12.080 I was interested. I want you came up from and 0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.600 what he went through and what and you know how 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:17.480 he get to this point right now, because you had 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:21.120 to be a nice artist to get one of them 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:25.320 full paid spread. You get me. You got special back 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:33.480 then exactly, or they could just take what you know what, man, 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:37.600 anybody I want I want to believe that half the 0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:41.840 time that you know, they were putting niggas on because 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:45.560 they were truly gifted and deserved it, and not the 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.040 nigga just sent them a check for one hundred grand. 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:52.560 You get me. Now, we already know some artists, you know, 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:54.160 that's the way it went. 0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:00.120 Yeah, some people definitely was paying like the way, but 1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:02.440 for the most part, the source used to get it 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.200 right when it came to that dog. So I don't 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:08.520 I don't think they. I think they were so they 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:11.120 were so in tune with the culture at the time. Man, 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.520 that was like probably the best hip hop publication ever 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.680 because they really made a break. If you saw somebody 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:19.160 in there had three or four mics, if you saw 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:21.840 a five mic, you want to go by that album 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.160 because it was like it was official and they was 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.600 on point with it. But I do think they had 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:28.520 a lot of West Coast bias back then. I heard 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.320 that was true. Sore and told me that, and he 1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:32.680 said that they was very biased against the West Coast 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:33.439 back then. 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:41.880 I'm sure they weren't East Coast publication, Like, you know, 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:45.360 why would I why would I give any love to 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:48.920 the West Coast. We're East Coast publication. You know, go 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:57.120 start your own motherfucking magazine. But ye said, you give 1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:00.560 me fuck that we represent the East Coast. I never 1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:06.080 had no issue with the motherfuckers they always heard like 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:08.680 when Benzeno, when when they we went to go fuck 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:11.960 with them, you know, had the issue with them. They 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:13.400 put me on the cover twice. 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:17.520 I had Hey, you had love from New York, New York. Look, 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.720 you probably got more love in New York. You get 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.960 a lot of love out here, bro, But between the 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:26.120 Midwest and the East Coast, dog, I think you probably 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:27.240 got a popping more out there. 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:29.200 And you do what did you do a song with 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:30.320 Premiere a couple of years ago? 1:01:30.960 --> 1:01:31.080 Oh? 1:01:31.120 --> 1:01:33.640 Your Premiere's my butt, that's my peep. I heard it. 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:36.680 I remember the track that you. I did a whole 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:40.800 project with Premiere back in twenty seventeen. Okay, yeah, we 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.120 did a project together. Even before the end. 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.440 No song, I still listened to swear I swear my mother, Bro, 1:01:48.160 --> 1:01:49.440 that song, I'd be in the gym. 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.800 Listen the ship that you do with Pebob Oh. Yeah, 1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:56.360 One Life to Live? Yeah, Bro, my son one of 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.640 my favorite songs on that on that project, I did 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:03.640 that song and my son wasn't even born, and he 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:06.520 loved that song to death right now, one of his 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.560 favorite songs. And it kind of fucked me up because 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:14.560 you know, the youth they into they shit, man, You 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:19.760 don't particularly think that, you know, Motherfucker's twenty one and 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:25.000 under is gonna be banging MC eight, But now that record, 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:28.200 but that was my shit. Shit, he loved that shit. Nigga, 1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:31.600 I was in the motherfucking uh. Where was I at? 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:36.720 Where the fuck was I at? I can't even think 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.520 where I was at. Now, I'm in the store somewhere. No, 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:45.600 I'm in the gym. I'm in the gym, chopping it 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.800 up with one of my boys, and I see his 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:52.440 dad walking by with his two kids. They couldn't have 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:54.880 been no more. They couldn't have been no more than 1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:59.760 fucking ten and twelve. You get me, nigga. The youngest 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.400 one stopped turning around and said, MC eight is that 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:05.439 you can I take a picture with you. I'm looking 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:09.480 at myself, like, where this little kid know me from? 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:09.760 You know? 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:13.440 But the younger generation is starting to get a little 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:16.240 open to you know. 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:17.760 You hear me. 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:20.600 Fuck, they heard me fuck with Kendrick. A lot of 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.880 them play the Grand Theft Auto Game and recognize me 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:28.800 from there. So that's where the youth is connecting because 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:31.360 a lot of them still on that game and ship 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:35.520 and a lot of them still bumps Kendrick's first project, 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:35.600 You get Me. 1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:38.360 Yeah, And it's a lot of people to play. There's 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.120 a lot of people to play that game, Like you say, 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:42.400 it et a lot of them, man, You wiels m 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:43.920 c eight. Man, I ain't gonna let you keep sitting 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:45.960 there and sleep on yourself, you wiel m c eight. 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:49.320 I just be mind. I just be trying to be mellow. Man, 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:59.640 you feel me. I want to go here, man, I 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:01.919 want to go to the grocery shot store and pick 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:05.920 up my dog food without you know, niggas and paparazzi 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.360 all outside. And I like that type of lifestyle though 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:12.800 I don't. I don't mind it. I don't complain about it. 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:13.400 You get me. 1:04:13.440 --> 1:04:15.800 And I was never the type to bother people when 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:17.600 I saw them out in public, probably because I was 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.080 always hanging out. You know, DJ Bob Cat is my 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:23.480 god brother, right, so I was always with Bob, and 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:26.560 I was used to being around you know, people, celebrities 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:29.320 and stuff. So I never went and bothered people because 1:04:29.320 --> 1:04:30.800 I used to hate with me and Bob. Or be 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:33.440 somewhere and people are come and try to solicit. You 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:34.880 know what I'm saying. It's like you're trying to eat 1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:37.240 your food or whatever, and somebody's trying to give you 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:39.880 a CD. You feel an a tape back then you 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:41.800 know somebody's trying to give you a tape, give you 1:04:41.840 --> 1:04:43.920 their dem one stuff. Bro. People just don't want to 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.440 be bothered. So I never was wanting to just run 1:04:46.520 --> 1:04:48.280 up on people in pupplic Hey, man, can I hear 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:50.960 you autographic? Hey man, I bump? Now if I saw him, 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:52.800 I might say, man, I like your shit or whatever 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:56.040 like that. But I kept it moving, right, I kept 1:04:56.080 --> 1:05:02.320 it pushing. So gon goog, where can people? You just 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:04.400 don't mess with anybody, or do you? 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:04.760 Yeah? 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:07.000 You know I listened to everybody that got a case. 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:08.800 You know what I'm saying. I mean, if it makes sense, 1:05:08.840 --> 1:05:10.960 you know, we you know, we try to make it happen. 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:13.120 Now, I'm gonna give you all the plug, the gun, 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:15.520 the homye man, but don't be hitting them up. If 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:18.000 you don't sold ten records to the Empire, and you're 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:22.680 talking about empire, owe you some money. You know, you 1:05:22.720 --> 1:05:24.520 don't have time to fuck with nothing like that. This 1:05:24.600 --> 1:05:27.560 is for the major the majors out there that might 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.360 have got robbed, might have got jerked. I'm pretty sure y'all. 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:32.720 Got legacy, the legacy artists. 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:36.800 DJ quick, how that how that gone go? Because I'm 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:38.320 gonna tell you when you see a pulling up in 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:40.240 the Rose Royce seven eight months. 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:49.440 From good You know what I'm saying, Legacy artists, they 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:50.800 you know, I relate to them. 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:52.760 They kind of motivate me more than dealing with these 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:53.919 young guys, you know what I'm saying. 1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:54.800 Like if I'm like, you. 1:05:56.400 --> 1:06:00.640 Know, like it's it's so, it's just it feels like 1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:02.000 it's like one of my peers or something. 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:05.280 You know what I mean. I'm pretty sure. I'm almost 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:08.360 positive dog that this man right here got a lot 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.240 more money out there. I'm pretty sure DJ quickly he 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:13.560 was on the more Scaler's record label in the world. 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.120 I mean profile, like I said, I just don't. 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:20.120 I mean, I got clients right now that haven't been 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:22.160 you know, you're supposed at least get a quarterly of 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:25.120 by annual royalty statement and things like that. You know, 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:27.640 I got clients like, I haven't got it. I haven't 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:30.800 got a statement in five six years or something like that. 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:33.160 Then he might give you one statement and then he'll 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:34.720 disappear again for another five years. 1:06:34.840 --> 1:06:39.000 You know what one told me he has never seen 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:40.760 an album royalty. He said, I ain't never seen a 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:41.439 royalty chick. 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:45.160 What I said, I've never seen a royalty check until 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:54.320 Nigga last year thirty years later until last year, until 1:06:54.360 --> 1:06:56.840 late was like nigga, where you've. 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.160 Been Damn there forty years later. 1:07:00.200 --> 1:07:04.080 I mean, at least they're paying you forward, you know 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:04.640 what I'm saying. 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:07.240 But you know, I just believe that there's a guy 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:08.960 like you that did that many projects. 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:10.680 There's definitely more than that. 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:13.360 Yeah, they still got some more, definitely. 1:07:15.160 --> 1:07:17.160 Maybe what's the name of your business? 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:18.800 Copyright maintenance? 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:23.120 Copyright man? That sound, what is copyright maintenance? They come 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.600 in the rerec shop. So you stealing mass record labels 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:28.200 out there? My man gongu is coming for you. He 1:07:28.280 --> 1:07:30.880 gonna come and lift the covers off your ass and 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:33.480 expose everything, every everything going on. 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:37.439 You know what, Michael Jacksons, Bro, you're about to sething 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:39.080 about to happen to me the way you're picking me up. 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:43.840 Well, you know what, man, The thing is this, It's 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:47.360 always been real simple to me because I'm a businessman. 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:51.520 You make you take whatever you spent back. Like, if 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:53.800 you spend some money, you you you're supposed to recoup 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:57.440 your money, right. But whatever situation you got with somebody, 1:07:57.480 --> 1:07:59.640 you give them, they bread, you take yours, so y'all 1:07:59.640 --> 1:08:02.640 can keep doing it. You don't rob nobody's stuff, browing 1:08:02.760 --> 1:08:05.560 just off on a pocket disc and let them just 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:07.760 going to go to ublivty. I don't care because the 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:10.600 thing is without the talent, you ain't shit. 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:13.120 I hey, you man, I think they think it's a 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:15.120 diamond dozen And I think they think that they can 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.439 take your money and you're still gonna come and perform 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:19.240 and try to do another album. You know what I'm saying. 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:21.000 They just think they got it like that, you know 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:22.519 what I'm saying. But I mean, I just think it's 1:08:22.560 --> 1:08:24.679 a new regime. You know what I'm saying. We're trying 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:26.280 to change the game a little bit, you know what 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:29.280 I'm saying. You know, I mean, I've seen people all 1:08:29.320 --> 1:08:31.759 my life, you know, get jerked, you know, from deals 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:33.519 and stuff like that, from all ages. 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:36.600 And it's gotta be somebody, you know what I'm saying. 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:40.439 Somebody's somebody's gotta you know, I think there's just needs 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:42.519 to be more of me, you know, people even greater. 1:08:42.680 --> 1:08:44.439 You know what I'm saying. You gotta have a little heart, 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:45.760 you know what I'm saying. 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.040 They get some guys out here. I got to shut 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:51.120 off the hommie jazzy jazzy management. You know, Jazzy is 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:53.400 pretty good at what he do. He recovers a lot 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:53.839 of stuff. 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:54.800 Okay, good for him. 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:57.160 He goes out and recovers a lot of money for cats. 1:08:57.160 --> 1:08:58.840 So there's a few casts out here, but it's also 1:08:58.840 --> 1:08:59.120 a whole. 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:01.760 But we need to vote Tron. We need to be 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:05.759 a whole. You know what I'm saying. 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:11.280 Why why you got good dudes like you and Jazzy? 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.200 What makes it bad? Is this a whole bunch of 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.439 Shade tree as motherfuckers too that go out there. 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:21.280 And then steal you feel I'm saying, they're with a 1:09:21.320 --> 1:09:22.080 minority man. 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:23.200 It's it's it's it's easy. 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:25.639 It's easy to beat us up because you know, there's 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:27.479 only two in the park and there's five hundred of them. 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:29.320 You know what I'm saying, be running, you know what 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:31.280 I'm saying. It's like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:34.200 It's like, you know, this is an easy look. Oh, 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:36.559 they might've got him, but they didn't get all these 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:38.479 other people, you know what I'm saying. So it's like 1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:42.960 I'm only picking little pieces, getting this guy, Getting this guy. Bro, 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:46.599 there's another thousand, two five to ten twenty thousand artists 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:49.040 out there that are going through the same thing. You 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.439 know what I'm saying. It's like, Bro, how many people 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.040 am I helping a year? You know what I'm saying, 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:56.320 It's nothing compared to what's out there. Am I really 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:59.120 making a dent? I don't know. You know what I'm saying. 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.800 You know what I'm saying, less than one percent of 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:04.839 the industry exactly. 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:07.599 I'm a linked I'm gonna link you, says, Yeah, Gongoo, 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:08.479 wish your Instagram. 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:13.120 Bro, Hey, man, g O n g u Roach, g 1:10:13.240 --> 1:10:17.040 o n g gongo roach Instagram. 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:19.720 Hit me in the d M. Let's chop it up 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:20.680 and see what I can do for you. 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:20.960 Man. 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:24.439 Yeah, and you know, before we go home. 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:27.639 Website, I got the website coming. It's already I already 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.400 made it, but I just haven't really posted it. But 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:32.400 that's copyright maintenance. Should be copyright maintenance dot com something 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:35.559 like that. I mean, I'll put it in my tags 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:38.040 sooner or later, probably within the next couple of days 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:40.439 or so. But for right now, just reach me at 1:10:40.439 --> 1:10:44.800 gongoach at at in the DM and you can go 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:48.599 watch my YouTube videos and YouTube you know what I'm saying. 1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:50.280 And I tell you you know, I'll tell you what 1:10:50.360 --> 1:10:53.479 my forte is and hopefully you're inspired by it to 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:54.080 give me a call. 1:10:55.040 --> 1:10:57.080 Yeah for sure. And on that note right there, I 1:10:57.160 --> 1:11:02.320 want to tell everybody something, man, life short, don't spend 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:03.120 it on bullshit. 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:06.840 We got here, hey man, Thank you once again. 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:08.839 It's one of my more favorite interviews. 1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:09.040 Man. 1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:11.200 You know, I get to talk to and talk about 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:13.280 all this old stuff about this makes me feel like 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:15.439 I was like seventeen eighteen. 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:23.480 I'll be telling I'll be telling a man because sometimes 1:11:23.520 --> 1:11:26.000 I feel bad because we have somebody on the show 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:28.040 and eight be on the road or something, something be happening, 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:31.519 and then you could tell they don't want to stay like, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:33.880 you know you cool and stuff. They're like, man, damn, 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:36.360 eight was here because I wanted to meet him. You 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:37.920 know what I'm saying. I'm like, dog, don't worry, we 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:39.760 gonna get you back on We interviewed one of the 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:41.800 homies and I tell you, man, I promise you when 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:43.160 they come back, we got. 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:46.360 You, hey man. Anytime you need man here, man. 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:50.479 I sure you. Thank you, Bro, I'm gonna get with 1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:53.200 you that actually we out here. They don't need to 1:11:53.200 --> 1:11:54.920 hear all this. Hold on for sure,