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Speaker 2: And the Champ is in the house. I'll say, you're

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Speaker 2: in the house. The Champ is in the house one

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Speaker 3: The chance is the key or one point. I should

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Speaker 3: have the other another finger, but lost by one point

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Speaker 3: zero points. But but you lost. That's the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: You're lost. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly

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Speaker 2: Champion of the or FBL and uh for I believe

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Speaker 2: that's the sixth time that I've won that championship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that competitions were off, they're pretty bad. You should

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Speaker 2: Those seven in the last eleven years.

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Speaker 3: Oh that'd be better fantasy if they were listening.

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Speaker 3: Nice nicely done. Monday here and crazy went down to

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Speaker 2: So we now know the Steelers will play. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: And Matt, I want I wanted to start with this,

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Speaker 2: Over the course of the week last week, the NFL

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Speaker 2: These were some of the scores. Six to three, thirty

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Speaker 2: In the standalone games. Maybe we're not doing the right

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, and they play Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Then you have the Denver Broncos, the Miami Dolphins, and

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Speaker 3: I mean, there were some really hideous performances yesterday, but

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, give up a kickoff return for a touchdown?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they'll also be watching Miami, which plays

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Speaker 3: That was the last game that the Bengals lost.

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Speaker 2: In that game, if you recall, the Steelers led twenty

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. They dominated the Bengals in that game,

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Speaker 2: The thing, too, So they're going to look at this

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I was just on the air

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Speaker 3: But I counted it by saying, losing to those through

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: And like we do with power ranks, I mean, these

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Speaker 3: bad to those three if you played them again, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's where you're at.

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Speaker 2: You know, I understand it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, everybody has a bad taste in

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Speaker 2: you lost three in a row to the best teams

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Speaker 2: in the league. Is anybody discounting green Bay? Is green

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Speaker 3: Where people don't know green Bay has five losses, two

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Speaker 2: you have? Well that's their five losses, So how good

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Speaker 3: Know, yesterday. It's crazy. The other thing about the spread, though,

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers rest advantage is huge.

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Speaker 2: They haven't likely get another rest advantage over the Browns.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. The Ravens have yet another rest advantage, which

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Speaker 3: we knew coming in, right, you knew that was actually

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Speaker 3: Probably probably, I guess that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yea, because they're playing terrible right now. Yeah. I didn't

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Speaker 3: that's where it stands right now. We'll see how this

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Speaker 2: I haven't decided yet, but Mike Tomlin did say today

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Speaker 3: That's great, that's huge.

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Speaker 2: And Ben'scronic should be back, which what doesn't sound like

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Speaker 3: I think it's quite huge. I mean, I think he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean he's one of the core great ones.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Pickens and Austin are the two

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Speaker 2: I can't argue that. Yeah, I've been a Scoronic fan

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, I think he's better than like the Boykins

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Speaker 2: So anyways, let's let's let's get to a break here.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk to Rob King after this. The

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am the champ Dale Lollie,

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Speaker 2: and this is the drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolli and Matt Williams on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and we're joined on the Justin Miller

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Speaker 2: hot Line by the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob

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Speaker 2: King and Kingram. Before we started, I know you're a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course I am, Yes, yes I am.

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Speaker 2: Did you know? I am the champion of the Fantasy

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Speaker 2: League in which Matt and I both participate in. I

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Speaker 3: You probably saw it scrolling across the bottom at Sports Center.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was on NFL.

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Speaker 2: That was on the NFL network this morning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that story is hard to believe. That would be

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Speaker 5: The strangers in fiction right there. Not that you would win,

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Speaker 2: By one point one point zero points. They gave me

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Speaker 3: I believe you no clue if that's true or not,

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Speaker 2: It's never beaten me.

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Speaker 4: Who who's the deciding player for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: For me, it was t Higgins.

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Speaker 3: That was the guy blew up for him. He just

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Speaker 2: The Steelers are going to have to deal with, said

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Speaker 4: Works for me.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't mind seeing him out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he can.

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Speaker 4: He can come a little uh little east to be.

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Speaker 3: Once, take a boat up the Ohio River.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's a I mean, I thought, is

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Speaker 4: Whenever you have a guy like that, I suspect it

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Speaker 3: I know he's had some injuries. I think this is

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Speaker 4: know how a team can pay two guys like that

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00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 4: and Joe Burrow, I don't know their salary cap situation.

440
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, this is a different conversation. But you

441
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 3: look at like the Eagles, they pull it off. I mean,

442
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 3: you can do it, but the problem is the Eagles

443
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 3: don't need eight new starters on defense. Right, that's the

444
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: big Right. If you drafted better and Miles Murphy was

445
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 3: a star, then you could do it, but you got

446
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: too many other holes.

447
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Put it this way about for t Higgins. T Higgins

448
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: rookie year twenty twenty, before Jamar Chase got there, he

449
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: had sixty seven catches on nine sixty seven catches, nine

450
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: hundred and eight yards and six touchdowns on one hundred

451
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: and eight targets. I think you would be just fine.

452
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: And that was again his rookie year, is.

453
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Still not as good a head. Yeah, grown into his

454
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: pause quite yet.

455
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: I think he would be a legit number one on

456
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,719
Speaker 2: most teams.

457
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 3: He looks like a Patriot or Charger to me. Interesting,

458
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 3: they both have the most interesting they have like the

459
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: most caps face in the league, both those teams.

460
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 5: Right and the Chargers.

461
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 4: You know there's a team that, Wow.

462
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 3: Put him next to mccaffee. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no.

463
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 4: Right exactly, And they're the like you said, they're a

464
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 4: good candidate because the defense is already strong.

465
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 5: And you are. You know, you've got another.

466
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 4: Good receiver who's on a rookie deal, and we'll be

467
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 4: on a rookie deal for you know, was mcconkey's second.

468
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: Or first second earlier, like the first pick of the

469
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: first pick of the second rounds.

470
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 4: So then you get in your set, you know, three

471
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 4: more years, right, So yeah, it's yeah, probably that's it

472
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 4: for t Higgins.

473
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: All that being said, Rob, the last time these two

474
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: teams faced off, and you know we're talking about December

475
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: first here, Jamar Chase had six catches for eighty six

476
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: yards and a touchdown on nine targets. T Higgins had

477
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: five for sixty nine and a touchdown on ten targets.

478
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: So he gave up eleven catches on nineteen targets to

479
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: those two guys. As the Steelers defense, I think I'd

480
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: take that. I'd run it back and be very thrilled

481
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: to that. Yep, the key was in that neither one

482
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: of them broke a hundred yards like there wasn't and

483
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: that was with Chase had a forty nine yard catch

484
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: and run. If you remember that game, late and late

485
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: in the game, they did a nice job on those two,

486
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: on those two studs in that first meeting, and it

487
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: led to a a I know that the final score

488
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: wasn't decisive, of but it was a pretty decisive Steelers win.

489
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: They had held the Bengals to what thirty eight points.

490
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: Well, thirty one legitimate points, let's put it that way.

491
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: The pick six was a little suspect.

492
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: Right right. They have a number of weapons, you know

493
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: they're and Joe Burrow is playing so well right now,

494
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 4: I mean just so well. He's he his his game

495
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: is as varied as his pregame outfits. My wife should

496
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: my wife should be a picture of his latest one.

497
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: I'm usually the last to see those kind of things

498
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: about wow, Cay.

499
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: Why do you think, why do you think the wives

500
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: care so much about what Joe Burrow wears?

501
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 4: I think I think my wife just scrolled and found it.

502
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: Ah, Okay, I don't think.

503
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 5: She googled Joe Burrow outfit.

504
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: You know, so as far as you know, you'll be

505
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 3: getting frosted tips soon before you know.

506
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: I was sitting right next to her. Yes, yes, maybe

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 4: she was. Okay, I want to stop right there so

508
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: I I will say this. I mean, he's a terrific player.

509
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: This is a really dangerous team to me. You know,

510
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 4: this is one of the best teams in the AFC,

511
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: and they're not going to the playoffs.

512
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna go.

513
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: To the playoffs.

514
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: So, I mean, so much still has to go right

515
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: for them to go to the playoffs. I think they're

516
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 4: you know, and again maybe they may have to. You know,

517
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: look at why do they get off to such bad

518
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: starts to begin a season and what's going on there

519
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: that needs to change?

520
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they make the same mistake every year. They don't

521
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: play anybody in the preseason. Then they lose Week one

522
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: and two and wonder why. I mean, it's crazy to.

523
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 4: Think you would think that would be re evaluated by

524
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 4: the team, but it hasn't been yet. Uh it's a

525
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 4: it's a really formidable team, a really good team of offensively.

526
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I would have a hard time seeing them

527
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 4: running through the AFC playoffs by the same token, you know,

528
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to have to beat him once either

529
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 4: and have them be the team that I have to

530
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: get through to move on, because so many things can

531
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: go wrong.

532
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 5: In a game against them.

533
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: They don't need that much room to beat you. So

534
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: it's a really good test. And I also think that

535
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: because it's a good quality opponent, and because you've just

536
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 4: lost to three good quality opponents in a row and

537
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 4: the scoreboard says rather lopsidedly, this is a good one

538
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: to and there's a lot of reasons for that. And

539
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: I don't know whether we're to get into that or not,

540
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: but you know, you can, you know, I think you

541
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: can sort of recalibrate where you are by coming out

542
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: and having a good, strong showing on Saturday at home

543
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: against the.

544
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: Bends one hundred. And I haven't dug heavily into them,

545
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: not that you have to. We just saw him and

546
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: they haven't changed all that much. Burrows real good. They

547
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: have great receivers, defensive bad blah blah blah. But I

548
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: mean Chase Brown was before he got injured in this

549
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: past game, got every running back carry and that's kind

550
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: of almost been the norm. And it sure seems unlikely

551
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: that he plays. I mean, I wonder what effect that

552
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: has on in this game. They throw the ball.

553
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: Eighty percent of the time against the Steelers.

554
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm just curious. I'm just in a kind of spitball

555
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: on him.

556
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, they only ran the ball the first time around

557
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: with the running backs thirteen times, and I.

558
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: Bet he got like all of them. He got twelve, twelve, thirteen. Yeah, yeah,

559
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: it's it's a big loss for them overall. But I

560
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: just wonder will they do not even bother run the ball.

561
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: Well, he's a really good player, and I think the

562
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 4: other thing that they found out is that they were

563
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: playing the wrong running back at the beginning of the

564
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: year two. Yeah, and Zach Moss is fine, but Chase Brown's.

565
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: Their injury made his injury made them better.

566
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: Kind of Yeah, that's right. I mean, uh, and again,

567
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: was he maybe part of was he maybe a little

568
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: bit of the victim of the slow start as a

569
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: team because of their their their history is starting slow

570
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: and maybe not playing guys in it in the preseason.

571
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I do know this that you know,

572
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: I think Khalil Herbert's a decent, pretty decent backup.

573
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 5: You know.

574
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: You know, not a lot of teams I think have

575
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 4: a guy who's third in their depth chart, who of

576
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: course they went out and traded for him after the injury.

577
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: But you know a guy that's had, you know, some

578
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 4: pedigree of having good success and he only has to

579
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: be good once. You know, he only has to be good.

580
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: For one game.

581
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: He runs hard as a hard runner. He's more like

582
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 4: Zach Moss I think than he is like in that

583
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: regard than he is like Chase Brown. I think Brown

584
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: doesn't run hard, but Brown's got the speed and the

585
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: and the quickness and that sort of thing. I think

586
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: he's more of a he's more of a bull and

587
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: a China type of runner.

588
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 5: But he's a solid player.

589
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: Uh. They've got good depth. You know, they've got good

590
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: offensive depth now beyond Herbert. I mean, if you're getting

591
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 4: out of Travon Williams that you know, I don't know

592
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: what what the expectations would be there, but you know,

593
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: that loss is a big one. And again, you know,

594
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: sort of questionable clock management towards the end of that game.

595
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: Did Brown even need to have that carry you know

596
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: before when he got hurt?

597
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was some questionable to said.

598
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: You know, the these teams that it is growing trend

599
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 4: of just passing up what seems like sure points. Now,

600
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: he thought that chip shot was a sure pointer to

601
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: sure win and he missed it. But then I'm the

602
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: opportunities earlier in the game and they decided to go

603
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: for it, and you know, uh, they're not the only ones,

604
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: you know, teams out there, and you know, all of

605
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 4: a sudden you find yourself down six. I mean, does

606
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 4: it ever go through these guys' heads. Jesus, i'd kicked

607
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: two field goals, we wouldn't actually be down by six

608
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: right now, regardless.

609
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: I'm I'm getting further adrift here from from.

610
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: The actual topic, which is Chase Brown. And I think

611
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: Herbert could do a nice job for him, but I

612
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: don't think he's the same weapon out of the backfield

613
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: and all that.

614
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: Sort of here's the one thing he doesn't do, rob

615
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: and this could be a real issue for the for

616
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals. This weekend is he's not good in past protection.

617
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: That's why that the Bears kind of soured on him

618
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: for that reason. Yeah, that's something.

619
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: And if you if you look at that game the

620
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: last time around these two teams met, the Steelers sacked

621
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: Burrow four times, they forced him to fumble twice, recover

622
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: to both of them, and you know, they just they

623
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: just got after him. They also enter accepted him once.

624
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's the key to it, to beating

625
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. You know, you look at the yards go boat.

626
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: Burrow threw for three h nine and three touchdowns, but

627
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: he turned the ball over three times in that game.

628
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: And I don't feel you guys caught it. But in

629
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: the the Saturday game, Amarius Mims only lasted like fifteen

630
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: or twenty eight or two, and it looked like he

631
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: could be done done. And the guy that they put

632
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: in the right tackle, i'd never heard.

633
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 5: Of, well in those things.

634
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: Now again, you know, Matt and I were talking on

635
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: another Showdale that you know what happens if in these

636
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: last three.

637
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: Games he cheating on me?

638
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, I got a lot of lovers. Sorry, sorry, guys,

639
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 4: growing about the guy's crowing about beating you in the

640
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: fantasy league.

641
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: I mean I think that, you know, start.

642
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: Looking at should have heard the smack talk coming out

643
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: of this guy last week when he he was favored

644
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: in the game by like ten points and I pulled

645
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: off the upset. According to them, the experts on is yeah.

646
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 5: We're talking about it.

647
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: I just figured out I'll coach him. You know that

648
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: did that seems like an obvious.

649
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: That didn't happen.

650
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: Uh So, Anyway, what we were talking about about Steelers

651
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: probably these.

652
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: Last three games, and you think about, Okay, the pitch

653
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: to Naji, a chance to tie the game up, right,

654
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: we don't know what they would have tied the game.

655
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: We don't know what would have happened after that, but

656
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 4: a chance to get back in the game there in Baltimore.

657
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 4: It's a chance to take a lead. When when Russ

658
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: Wilson after two fumbles that don't go your way, when

659
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Speaker 4: he fumbles inside the.

660
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Speaker 5: Five and they they pounce on it, you.

661
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Speaker 4: Know, dubious call against Kansas City, right like, you tie

662
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: the game up, actually take the lead because Boswell kicks

663
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: the extra point and you're at fourteen thirteen at that point,

664
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Speaker 4: and all of these things that could have happened, should

665
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 4: have happened. But now let's take a look at this

666
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Speaker 4: from the Bengals perspective. Okay, wipe out each of the

667
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: defense defensive touchdowns. You know, Burrow has been taking care

668
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: of the football. You know, you're probably, you know, maybe

669
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: looking at this game and say, hey, listen, if he

670
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: isn't strip sacked twice, we win this game easily, right.

671
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Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm a Bengals fan, I might be

672
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: thinking that. So I think that, you know, uh, there's

673
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: some some danger in us presuming that Burrow is going

674
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: to be sacked four times in fumble twice.

675
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Speaker 2: You know, I never assume that. I'm just saying.

676
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Speaker 4: I know, I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying

677
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: from the other you know, how big were those were?

678
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: Those in winning the game?

679
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 4: Those are huge factors and you're winning the game. What

680
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: if those things don't happen, What if the pass rush

681
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: doesn't get going. This is a big game for the student.

682
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: I think it's a big offensively and defensively. I think

683
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: they need to get their mojo back. You know, three

684
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: weeks ago, going into the stretch of games, I did

685
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: not think they were going to go zero and three,

686
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: and I thought they were going to come out of

687
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 4: it and people are going to say, hang on a second.

688
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: Now what we thought the students might be building into

689
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: has been solidified. And this is a team that's going

690
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: to be very dangerous in the playoffs. That I think

691
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: they need to get that feeling back. And the way

692
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: you get that feeling back is by coming out not

693
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: having the three and ounce on offense, you know, maintaining

694
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: the ball. That's another way to beat Joe Burrow is

695
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: just don't let them have the ball, win the time

696
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: and possession, win it handily, and let the offense and

697
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: defense play off each other. Don't lose the turnover battle.

698
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 4: I think I'd like to see just, you know, some

699
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: good solid football out of the Steelers, And frankly, I

700
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: think it's kind of important that they do that.

701
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Speaker 3: That show we recorded earlier, we did with Wolf. We

702
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: just kept coming back to time and possession, Time and possession.

703
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: You know, you got to get this defense off the field.

704
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 3: No more three and outs. That's their style. You know,

705
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: you can't just be lose, you know, have the defense

706
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: out there for thirty five minutes against Burrow and Mahomes

707
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: and you know, hursts and these guys, and you're gonna

708
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: lose it all the time, you.

709
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Speaker 5: Know, right.

710
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if they have the ball twenty seven minutes,

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: that's probably ample for them to put up some points.

712
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: And so you know you have to you have to.

713
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: Play keep away.

714
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: I think you have to.

715
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Speaker 5: Win that battle. And how do you win that battle.

716
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Speaker 4: You're successful on first and second down, maybe you don't

717
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: get to as many third downs, or if you do,

718
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: you make them third and manageable.

719
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Speaker 5: You know, every time you turned them all over. As

720
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 5: we've seen the last.

721
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Speaker 4: Three games, turnovers are not creating turnovers has been a

722
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: big part of the reason you've lost the time of

723
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: possession battle. What you've done offensively to not help your

724
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: defense out. In Philadelphia, you start the game with five

725
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: straight three and outs. You know, not only are you

726
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: losing the time of possession battle, but you're wearing out

727
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: your defense. So there just needs to be some complimentary football.

728
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: The things that we saw leading up to that stretch,

729
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: the things that got you to ten and three, that's

730
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Speaker 4: what I think we need to see more of Saturday night.

731
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say regardless of the outcome, but

732
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Speaker 4: I almost feel that way, like you know, I think

733
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: a win would be important to this team, but I

734
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: think playing a good football game would be important to

735
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: this team too. And clearing up some of these things.

736
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: You know, guys wide open in the secondary, I mean

737
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: that just can't happen. You know, the three and outs

738
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: that can't happen either. So I think, you know, sort

739
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: of cleaning it and the turnover issues, cleaning some of

740
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: these things up as you get ready for the playoffs,

741
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: because I still think it's a team that can get

742
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: into the playoffs and and you know, not be coming

743
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: home after one game. I really, I really believe that,

744
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: I really believe that they can do some damage in

745
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: the playoffs. And but I but you need to start

746
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: regaining that feeling, you know. Yeah, you fee always talk

747
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: about must win games. Look, man, the only game it's

748
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 4: a must win game is the one that gets you

749
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: eliminated if you lose. But this feels like an important

750
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 4: game to get you ready, So there isn't one and done.

751
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 5: Come playoff time.

752
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: Four game losing streak would not be a wonderful way

753
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: to enter into a road game in a playoffs, no

754
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: matter who you play.

755
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 5: No, no, it wouldn't be.

756
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: No, I agree, and you know. I think that's why

757
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: it sounds like you both are on the same page.

758
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: I am.

759
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm playing my guys in this game. I'm not resting anybody,

760
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: and I don't think Mike Toms.

761
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: If you're the steeersh you mean, regardless of what happens

762
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: in the Baltimore wins, obviously, I.

763
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Speaker 3: Mean, the Chargers still matter, right, Yeah.

764
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: The charge yet, right, so you can you know, if

765
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: you win that game, you know you're the You're no

766
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 4: worse than the five season. You're going on the road

767
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 4: to Houston and away you go, and that still might

768
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: that still might be a better path than having to

769
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: go through Buffalo.

770
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Speaker 5: I don't know who knows. We're going to find out

771
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: when the playoffs start.

772
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: The Chiefs are starting to look an awful lot like

773
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: the Chiefs over the last couple of weeks. So you look,

774
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: I just think that you want to play well, and

775
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Dale. You want to play your starters.

776
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: You want to get him out there, you want to

777
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: get them with that good feeling.

778
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 5: And listen, maybe if it doesn't mean that much, maybe.

779
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: Playing for half in pull them at behalf is that good.

780
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: I don't know.

781
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: Whatever decisions you make I think that you want to

782
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: go out there and try to win the game. I

783
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: really do, even if they play a great first half,

784
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: I'm going to dismiss what I just said. I think

785
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: even if you play a great first half, you want

786
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: to get out there and try to win the game

787
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: and go into the playoffs with that three game losing.

788
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: Streak snap and you have an opportunity to knock the

789
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: Bengals out of the playoffs. But I mean, it's it's

790
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: a division foe. It's it's a team that you're going

791
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: to have to continue to deal with down the road.

792
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: Even if t Higgins isn't there, You're still going to

793
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: be dealing with Burrow, You're still going to be dealing

794
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: with Chase. And you don't want to give up anything

795
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: to those teams. You don't want to have them saying,

796
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: oh we can. We went to Pittsburgh last year and one, No.

797
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: There's definitely value to ruining their season, you know, being

798
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: the last on the coffin right.

799
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And you know what, you know what else would

800
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 5: be lovely to I.

801
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: Mean, look, every little bit counts, you know, So if

802
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: the Bengals looked at the.

803
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 5: Bengals win this game.

804
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: But don't get into the playoffs, what are they going

805
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: to be feeling about themselves? Same?

806
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: And we won five in a row.

807
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: We're close, we're gonna go into the offseason and we're

808
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: in good position. We're ready to go. Hey, how you

809
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 4: lose that game to the Steelers when you needed it

810
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: to get in I don't think you're having that good

811
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 4: feeling about your season. You know. Now it's a season

812
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: that you know you can you can talk away. You

813
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: know why you didn't make the playoffs, Well, we got

814
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 4: off to a slow start, we got a little bit

815
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 4: of bad luck.

816
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah blah blah. I mean, you know their

817
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 5: record in one score games? What are they three and

818
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 5: seven and.

819
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: One score games now but two and oh in their

820
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: last two But at one time there were one in

821
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: Evan in one score games.

822
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: I mean, you talk.

823
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: It was just a Murphy's law laundry list of reasons

824
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 4: that they lost.

825
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: And they can look.

826
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: Back at that. I think if they get they end

827
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: this season in a five game winning street. Diggings back

828
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: and just say, man, we just had plain bad luck,

829
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: a couple changes and practices, and we are every bit

830
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: as good as everybody thought. You come to Pittsburgh and

831
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 4: lose on Saturday night. It's gonna be a little more

832
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 4: difficult to say.

833
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Speaker 3: That if you're absolutely well.

834
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Speaker 2: Our guest has been Rob King, published author The Door

835
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: in the Stone.

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Speaker 3: Uh and uh there you makes.

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Speaker 5: A wonderful twenty twenty five gift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, birthdays, bar mitzvah's whatever.

839
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Speaker 3: It is. Absolutely there you go.

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Speaker 2: Kinger will let you go and always appreciate your stopping by.

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00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're listening

842
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: to the Driver on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and

843
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: I'll be back with more right after this.

844
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on

845
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

846
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

847
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

848
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. And this is, of course,

849
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: as I just said, the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

850
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: Of course, you can hear the Drive every Monday through

851
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Friday from four to six pm during the season, and

852
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: we'll continue on throughout the postseason and well into free

853
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: agency and all that fun stuff too. You can also

854
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: download the Steelers Mobile app and it will download the

855
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: show directly onto your phone, and you can also watch

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00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: on our YouTube channel, which we appreciate and like that

857
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: as well. And Matt. One of the things that Rob said,

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00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: there is something I wanted to touch on from watching

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00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: eighty seven NFL game, Yeah, lost six days. We saw

860
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: a lot of teams in some moments do stuff that

861
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: they probably shouldn't do, those kind of outside the norm

862
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: in terms of going forward on four downs, you know,

863
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: passing up field goals to go for it on four thousand,

864
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: things of that nature. The Bengals being one of those teams. Yeah,

865
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: the Bengals went they attempted to go on fourth down

866
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: three times in their win over the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I made note of that too, and I was

869
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: watching and they.

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00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: Only made one of them, and that kept Denver in

871
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: that football game.

872
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: And you wonder if it was Week four, would you

873
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: be doing that right elimination.

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00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: Game Bengals, which I get right, right right, But why

875
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: would you coach that any differently than than what you

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00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: normally do when you again, when you've been winning, you know,

877
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: some of the.

878
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: Best way to win the game, same in Week four

879
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: or an elimination game.

880
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: I know.

881
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever that is I put it out there yesterday

882
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: when I'm watching green Bay Minnesota. Green Bay is down

883
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: seven to three. They've got a fourth and two from

884
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: about their own from the Minnesota. It's inside the twenty

885
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: five fourth and two. You're down seven to three early

886
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: in the second quarter, and they went for and didn't

887
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: get it and then lose the game by two, right, Like,

888
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: don't do things like that to lose yourself the game.

889
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: Now you're chasing points the rest.

890
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: Of the day. And again, is that something that green

891
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: Bay is like, Boy, we already lost to the Vikes,

892
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: you know we were this is a huge game. We

893
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: got to act differently. Or is that would they do

894
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: that against the Raiders in Week seven or whatever? I

895
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: don't know, but I do think as much as I

896
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: love analytics and analytics, such a broad term turning down

897
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: points or close to short.

898
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Places, especially in the first half of a game.

899
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: Early in a game where it's not like you're down

900
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: fourteen nothing, it's time, you're in trouble and you can't

901
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: stop anybody. I mean, it's a pretty equal neutral script.

902
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: Great game at that seven to three.

903
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: I bet the more people evaluate that and it'll come around,

904
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, the analytics folks will be like, just kick it,

905
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean, It just doesn't

906
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: always add up.

907
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just made mental note of that as I

908
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: was watching that, as you did against with the Bengals,

909
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are they going for this one? Like,

910
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: don't panic here? And it tells me also that Zach

911
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: Taylor doesn't trust his defense.

912
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 3: He didn't.

913
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: He knows they can't hold anybody.

914
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: And I would think they're gonna take the same approach

915
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: against Steelers and this is a playoff game that he's

916
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: going to coach aggressively and again he's always and I

917
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: get it. I would always trust Burrow over that defense,

918
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: of course.

919
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: But.

920
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: I would assume the Steelers should expect that, you know, like, yeah,

921
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: you got expected they I mean maybe not without Chase Brown.

922
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: But I always talking about this with the Lions, like

923
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: third and seven is a rundown for them because they

924
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: know they're going to go for it, you know, so

925
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: that in itself can be an advantage. Doesn't mean the

926
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: youts you know, converted on fourth.

927
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guarantee you know, when when Mike Tomlin and

928
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: his coaching staff are watching this game, that's something that

929
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: they realized like, Hey, these guys are just gonna go.

930
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: We're gonna go, Yeah, regardless of everything on Burrows. Yeah. Again,

931
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: that's why I was talking to Rob. Just dawned on me,

932
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: like with the running back injury, I mean, and I

933
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: get it. I don't even think it's a bad philosophy

934
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: t Chase Joe. If we win this thing, you guys

935
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: had your best days and everyone else is along for

936
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: the ride. And it's kind of what they've been doing anyway,

937
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, to.

938
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: A large degree. But Chase Brown has been He had

939
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: like one hundred yards and like five consecutors sixes and

940
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: one hundred yard total yards against the Steelers.

941
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: And he's been a good player for him.

942
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, And taking that out of the equation I

943
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: think dramatically affects how the Steelers will defend the Bengals.

944
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: I also wonder just watching that game is a lot

945
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: of gaseki early you know, which too much? Yeah, agree,

946
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: And I'm sure some of it was a certain thing.

947
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: You know, they were really going after Moss heavy, heavy,

948
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: heavy coming back from injury, and he think he was

949
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: in and on that game from what I remember. And

950
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: I don't think they're ever gonna not go and Chase.

951
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: I mean, if Chase is it going against Rod Woodson

952
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: or Mel Blunt, they're gonna throw them the ball. But

953
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 3: I do think it was a heavier Gasecki game plan

954
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: than usual. Is that something that's here to stay for

955
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: the Sea, you know, against Steelers or not? I don't know.

956
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one more thing that you have to

957
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: be cognizant of here but the ball.

958
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: But I'll let him beat me before Higgins and Chase.

959
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he has a huge day, right, you.

960
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, because the ball really doesn't go anywhere else

961
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: for them. If you look back at that game, Higgins, yeah, Ok,

962
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Higgins had twelve targets, Chase said fifteen targets. Gasicki had twelve,

963
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: and then the next closest guy was four Yusyvus with

964
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: four and you had Chase Brown with four. If that's

965
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: how you're going to play, you're making it pretty easy

966
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: to much easier. Like it's not easy. You still have

967
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: to defend Higgins and Chase, but you make.

968
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: It much more so condensed.

969
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

970
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's kind of the way the first game

971
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: went against the Steelers, if you you know, even if

972
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: you look at that one.

973
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 3: I think even more so now with Chase Brown probably

974
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: out of the equation.

975
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nine targets for Chase, ten targets for Higgins,

976
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: and then Gasiki had five, Yasiva said four. Tan Or

977
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: Hudson had four. Have at that all day long, and

978
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Drew Sample had had two. Like, those guys aren't going

979
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: to beat.

980
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: You, No, And it's a small percentage. But so one

981
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: of the things I always doing in the stat pack

982
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: is look at personnel groupings of you know, how teams

983
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: are attacking defenses and what they're putting out there on

984
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: both offense and defense, what percentages And during the Taylor

985
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: era in Cincinnati, they've always been like first or second

986
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: in eleven eleven, eleven, eleven, eleven eleven, and they're not.

987
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: They're kind of like fourteenth or something. It wasn't even

988
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: worth noting. They weren't extreme one way or another, kind

989
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: of middle of the road to a little bit high,

990
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: but not crazy.

991
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I mean, you can look against

992
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: Sicki and say he has a team, that's why he

993
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: has a tea next to his name, but he's he

994
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: doesn't block anybody.

995
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: He's closer to Tyler Boyd than he is h Rob

996
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: Gronkowski obviously. I mean, there's no doubt about that. So

997
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: they're using him as that third receiver in a big way.

998
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: And the other thing was a small percentage. But they're

999
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: at the very top of the league and not having

1000
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: a running back on the field at all, either like

1001
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: zero two or zero one personnel. I wonder if they

1002
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: even rev that up more because their best running backs out.

1003
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and if you look at it overly,

1004
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: e wound hide it like we're not we're not running here.

1005
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: Of course, of his career, and he played a good

1006
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: bit for Chicago. Khalil Herbert's career high for catches is

1007
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: twenty sounds about right. He's gotten one target in a

1008
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: Bengal uniform. He had two targets earlier this year with Chicago.

1009
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: He's got three catches for eleven yards this season. Like,

1010
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: he's not a receiving threat out of the backfield.

1011
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: Well to your earlier point, because he's not out there

1012
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: on passing down. So he's a bad in protection. Yeah,

1013
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: you know, he can get steamrolling protection. He's a short

1014
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 3: armed guy. He's around like a rounder body type. He's

1015
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: not built like nausey and he's just not all that

1016
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: great in protection, so the I mean, that was a

1017
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: big reason and they even highlighted it when they made

1018
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: the draft pick of Roshawn Johnson. This guy is great

1019
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: in protection, you know, special team or you know. He

1020
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: was a backup to Bijah in at Texas and that's

1021
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, Herbert's a fell off cliff.

1022
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: They trade them for nothing. Yeah.

1023
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah, right, let's

1024
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: get to another break. That's going to do it for

1025
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