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Speaker 1: letting people die sometimes, because that's what. Yeah. So, now

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Speaker 1: empowered and properly organized, Fivefield decides to lead his most

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Speaker 1: ambitious charge ever. He's going to change the fourth of

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Speaker 1: July forever. And this is the thing people don't often get.

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Speaker 1: Didn't he used to be like a big, big thing

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Speaker 1: like we didn't always It wasn't always like the hugest

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Speaker 1: deal in the world the fourth of July. Um, it

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Speaker 1: has become that in recent decades, and a big part

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Speaker 1: of why it is what it is, especially on the right,

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Speaker 1: why it is like such an almost a holy day. Um,

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Speaker 1: it is kind of a holy day to millions of Americans.

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Speaker 1: That really starts in this period. But you know what's

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Speaker 1: starting in this period right now? Good services. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, and it's never gonna stop. Baby. Ah, we're back,

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Speaker 1: and I have just learned the news that Build a

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Speaker 1: Bear Workshop launched an after dark series of erotic teddy bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah great, yeah, I uh, this is my whole world now. Um,

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Speaker 1: so cancel our next tin podcast recordings. I have a

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Speaker 1: new thing to do. Yeah. Oh, they seem to mostly

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Speaker 1: just be buildings. I wouldn't openly say that on the internet.

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Speaker 1: Robert to that. What what I have a new thing

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Speaker 1: to do talking about bears? Yeah? Absolutely? You know, Dan

447
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Speaker 1: and Jordan, you guys can you guys can bounce. I

448
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Speaker 1: got I gotta deal with this bear situation. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair bear situation. More a fair bear situation.

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Speaker 1: Horny horny teddy bears. I want a teddy bear. That's

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Speaker 1: ready to netflix and chill. We'll see this is this

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Speaker 1: is just society maintaining balance. The eminem's be called less sexy.

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Speaker 1: Build bears have to get have to get more fable.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's crazy? The care bear that had

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Speaker 1: a volva on its stomach got cut real quick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's weird. There's a there's Oh, now I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is that would basically just be a

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Speaker 1: fleshlight that, you know, build a Bear could make some

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Speaker 1: money with a fleshlight build a Bear. Hey, I think

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Speaker 1: builder Bear has already made a bit of money. Look,

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Speaker 1: this is this is free cash we are leaving on

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Speaker 1: the ground. We need a more fuckable teddy bear. Look,

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Speaker 1: this has been the problem since time immemorial. The problem

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Speaker 1: with this riff is that it hasn't gone long enough.

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Speaker 1: And once again the furries have been on the cutting

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Speaker 1: edge of a well they a sponsor. Yes, yeah, we are,

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Speaker 1: we are. We are sponsored by the concept of having

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Speaker 1: sex with anthropomorphized bears. Adam and dot com that that

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Speaker 1: is really the primary reason this podcast exists. Big fuck Bear,

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Speaker 1: that's that's our sponsor. Sophie. Really stay in quiet here.

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Speaker 1: So when we last left our actual episode. Uh, our

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Speaker 1: our buddy, Mr Fifield has decided he's going to change

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Speaker 1: the Fourth of July, and to explain what his plan is,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Kevin Cruz again. To mark the

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy anniversary if the signing of the Declaration

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Speaker 1: of Independence, they proposed for the week surrounding the Fourth

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Speaker 1: of July a massive series of events devoted to the

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Speaker 1: theme of freedom under God. To that end, in June one,

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Speaker 1: the leaders of Spiritual Mobilization announced the formation of a

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Speaker 1: new Committee to Proclaim Liberty the CPL to coordinate their

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Speaker 1: Fourth of July Freedom under God's celebrations. Despite its apparent

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Speaker 1: spiritual emphasis, the true goal of the committee was advancing

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Speaker 1: political conservatisms. It's two most prominent members had been brought

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Speaker 1: low by Democratic administrations. Hoover driven from the White House

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Speaker 1: two decades earlier by Franklin Roosevelt from the driven from

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Speaker 1: the right, stones and chains and whims kept Pennsylvania. You

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Speaker 1: want to guess who who Hoover's partner was in this?

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Speaker 1: Who are you gonna put up next to Herbert Hoover

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Speaker 1: in this? Douglas MacArthur, Yeah, baby, because he had just

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Speaker 1: gotten fired by Harry Truman for wanting to nuke all

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Speaker 1: of China in Russia basically during the war, he was like,

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Speaker 1: why don't we start a nuclear war that kills tens

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Speaker 1: of millions of people in order to win in Korea?

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Speaker 1: And Truman was like, oh God, you're out of your mind.

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Speaker 1: You should not be in charge of fighting men anymore.

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Speaker 1: And then MacArthur said, what about freedom? Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: what he spends the rest of his life doing. In

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Speaker 1: his defense, at the time, the military was just firing

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Speaker 1: nuclear bombs into Arizona and forcing troops to walk through

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Speaker 1: it in case it gave We look, we should at

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Speaker 1: least knuke the enemy as much as we're knuking ourselves. Right, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: that's just fair. That's Doug MacArthur's attitude. So he had

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Speaker 1: gotten fired two months ago when he gets put in

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Speaker 1: this committee, right like, he has just gotten out of

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Speaker 1: the Korean War business. Um So he immediately goes into

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Speaker 1: let's make Christianity capitalism by subverting the fourth of July

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Speaker 1: to our own purposes. Um So, these guys get joined

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of different legal like conservative right wing

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Speaker 1: media figures, entertainment industry figures who are like very right wing.

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Speaker 1: Bing Crosby is a member of this committee, right, Bingo,

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Speaker 1: James O'Keefe. Um, no, but ci so every time I've

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Speaker 1: watched White Christmas, I've supported a fucking Nazi. Goddamnit. Little

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, old Blue Eyes wasn't a good man.

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Speaker 1: Can't imagine you not just assuming that Cecil is on

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Speaker 1: the committee to proclaim liberty. Yeah, but of course he is.

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Speaker 1: Walt Disney is on the committee to proclaim that bing

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Speaker 1: Crosby was a Nazi. Yeah, he's been pretty far right.

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Speaker 1: And of course our buddy Ronald Reagan is on the committee.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got a bunch of big business types.

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Speaker 1: There's j. Howard Pugh obviously, Harvey Firestone, Conrad Hilton, James Craft,

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Speaker 1: Harvey Firesteam, No Firestone, very different, very different. I was

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Speaker 1: living in Independence day. I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Man Craft, Henry Us, Fred Maytag and J. C. Penney, Um,

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Speaker 1: all of these guys are are are part of the committee,

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Speaker 1: are hanging out with Bingo, you know, trying to do

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Speaker 1: a kill democracy. Every time you learn the history of

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Speaker 1: where you shop, if it's been around for longer than

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Speaker 1: fifty years, you're like, why why aren't I burning this

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Speaker 1: down right now? Why aren't I just lighting it on fire? Question,

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Speaker 1: everyone briefly asked. And there's zero reason. There's zero reason

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Speaker 1: for a hobby lobby hobby lobby to still standing, like

532
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Speaker 1: zero reason they got a house those stolen artifacts, that

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Speaker 1: is true. And now we're back to Indiana Jones. So

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't think a group of luminaries and brands with

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Speaker 1: that kind of star power. You got all the big

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Speaker 1: bing Crosby and Walt Disney together finally with with Douglas MacArthur.

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Speaker 1: It is a dream team of dudes who sucked um,

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Speaker 1: But you wouldn't think like with that kind of they're

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Speaker 1: also dudes who are pretty good at being famous. You

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Speaker 1: wouldn't think they would have needed to advertise for this

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Speaker 1: sort of thing, but by god they do. Disney, Firestone,

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Speaker 1: all of these big corporate like Motherfucker's take out a

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Speaker 1: series of full page newspaper ads advertising all these events

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Speaker 1: around the fourth of July, this like week of right

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Speaker 1: wing you know, uh, speeches and radio programs and whatnot. Um.

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Speaker 1: Each of these full page ads focuses primarily on the

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Speaker 1: preamble to the Declaration of Independence. A lot of them

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Speaker 1: are just the preamble being printed. Now, you might wonder, well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound super right wing, right, that's just like

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Speaker 1: a historical thing about the United States printing. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: particularly right wing about printing the Declaration of It. No, No,

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Speaker 1: you have to read it for it not to be

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Speaker 1: right wing. If you print it and you don't read it,

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Speaker 1: it's a little I'm saying, Yeah, that's that is essentially

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Speaker 1: what they're doing because they want people to read the preamble.

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Speaker 1: They don't want people to read the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 1: If you read the Declaration of Independence, a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is very specific critiques about shortcomings of the British government.

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Speaker 1: Right they are their problem is a lack of good

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Speaker 1: government there as as you might guess by the fact

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Speaker 1: that they made a government. They're not anti government. Um.

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Speaker 1: And again evidence of this is that when the revolution

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Speaker 1: was one, a lot of people who had signed that

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Speaker 1: declaration went on to crush a libertarian uprising in their

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Speaker 1: own country with cannons, you know, like they were not.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, reasonably speaking, only two people

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Speaker 1: have actually read the declaration, and that's King George and

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Speaker 1: Nick Cage, and those are the only two to be fair.

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Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage read at the back of it. He did,

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Speaker 1: he did not, not even the front of it. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: quoteing just the preamble of the Declaration of Independence allows

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Speaker 1: these guys to turn the declaration from what it is,

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Speaker 1: which is a list of political grievances rooted in a

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Speaker 1: specific place in time, and the solution of those grievances

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Speaker 1: was a kind of government. It allows them to ignore

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Speaker 1: that and just turned through the using only the preamble,

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Speaker 1: turned the Declaration into a manifesto of Christian libertarianism. Were

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Speaker 1: the only focus is in the Founding Fathers wanting to

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Speaker 1: remove government. Right, That's not the declaration. Isn't the Founding

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Speaker 1: Fathers saying we don't want to have government because free

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Speaker 1: enterprise is best. It's them saying this government is ship

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Speaker 1: and we want to do a better job. Right, Um,

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Speaker 1: you don't want that thought to go into people's head.

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Speaker 1: In his book One Nation Under God, Cruise quotes one

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Speaker 1: version of this ad paid for by a by the

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Speaker 1: San Diego Gas and Electric Company. It told its readers, quote,

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Speaker 1: these words are the stones upon which man built history's

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Speaker 1: greatest work. The United States of America, remember them well,

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Speaker 1: and the words of the preamble were accompanied by helpful

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Speaker 1: analysis by the good people at the Committee to Preserve Liberty.

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Speaker 1: All men are created equal. That means you are as

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Speaker 1: important in the eyes of God as any man brought

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Speaker 1: into this world. You are made in His image and likeness.

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Speaker 1: There is no superior man anyway. All right, so we're

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Speaker 1: anywhere the period. Fine, Fine, we're all gonna go home,

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Speaker 1: end of show. That guy was great. Let's get out

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Speaker 1: of here. They are endowed by their creator with certain

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Speaker 1: and alienable rights. Here's your birthright. Theed them to live, work, worship,

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Speaker 1: and vote as you choose. These are rights no government

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Speaker 1: on earth may take from you, except for the government

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Speaker 1: established by this declaration, which didn't let most people vote.

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Speaker 1: But like whatever, more rights than those that to secure

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Speaker 1: these rights. Governments are instituted among men. Here is the

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Speaker 1: reason for and the purpose of government. Government is but

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Speaker 1: a servant, not a master, not a giver of anything.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we get into the right wing propaganda um

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Speaker 1: deriving their just powers from the consent of the government.

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Speaker 1: In America, the government it may assume only the powers

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Speaker 1: you allow it to have. It may assume no others.

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Speaker 1: This is a subtle piece of propaganda, though this is

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Speaker 1: very smart. What they are doing here is re contextualizing

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Speaker 1: and repurposing history into something very different than what it

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Speaker 1: was UM in order to inculcate a specific political ideology

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Speaker 1: in the population UM. And this works pretty fucking good.

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Speaker 1: If you want to talk about how successful replacing the

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Speaker 1: real get the world today, what are you fucking talking about?

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Speaker 1: All we need evidence? I am. Do you know how

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Speaker 1: obvious it is you use the word inculcate? I did um?

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Speaker 1: I I want to quote to talk about like how

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Speaker 1: successful specifically that this word is. Both of us have podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Both of us have podcasts. Yeah. But also it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to me that the preamble remains a really common piece

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Speaker 1: of right wing propaganda in a lot of ship that's

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Speaker 1: been happening very recently. I'm gonna quote from Jacqueline Keeler's

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Speaker 1: book Standoff, which is about the Bundy occupation of the

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Speaker 1: Malhair Wildlife Refuge. Quote. On January nineteen, Ryan Payne, a

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Speaker 1: mal Heir occupier and founder of Operation Mutual Aid, a

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Speaker 1: militia coalition based in Montana, read the preamble of the

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Speaker 1: declaration of independence at a community meeting held at the refuge.

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Speaker 1: Political instruction in the philosophical beliefs that brought anti government

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Speaker 1: activists together and armed rebellion against the fence was common

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Speaker 1: at both the refuge and during Clive and Bundy standoff

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Speaker 1: and Bunkerville, Nevada two years earlier. And that's this is

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Speaker 1: interesting because it's not just the preamble. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these militiamen carry pocket constitutions, right. That is a huge

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Speaker 1: thing among chunks of the libertarian right. Um. And the

637
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: specific pocket constitutions that are everyone at fucking malhair has

638
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: are produced by the National Center for Constitutional Studies, which

639
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: was founded by a Mormon elder named w Cleon Skousen. Yeah, baby,

640
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: scousands in the Housen h was a founder of the

641
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: John Birch Society, who are directly talking with five Field

642
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: and with n a M. They are working with n

643
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: a M right now. Welch is a member like Yeah,

644
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: Scousen got sort of yet to remove himself from the

645
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Birch Society because he was too extremes. This is the

646
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: guy who was too shitty for the worst people ever. Yeah. Um.

647
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: But it is important to note that Scausen is very

648
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: much copying Fifield and his organization in handing out these

649
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: pocket constitutions. He this is where this idea comes from,

650
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: that we can repurpose pieces of American history for this

651
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: specific end without like like that that's um like a

652
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: great thing for us is going to be taking these

653
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: historical documents, adding our own context to them, adding essays

654
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: to them, explaining them in a way that makes our

655
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: ideology seem like the only possible American thing. That starts

656
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: here with the Committee to Preserve Liberty and their effort

657
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: to re contextualize the Fourth of July. UM, and obviously

658
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about it has been a tremendously successful thing.

659
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: So basically what you're saying is that we need a

660
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: fucking time machine. I look, if I had a time machine, Uh,

661
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: I would I would? I would get up to some ship. Yeah. Yeah,

662
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: there'd be a lot of folks just missing. Boy howdy

663
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: um starting. No, that's not a good joke to tell.

664
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Back to the Fourth of July. In the lead up

665
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: to the day itself, Reverend Fifield gave a big radio

666
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: service wherein he introduced the people of the United States

667
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: to the Committee to Proclaim Liberty. He told them its

668
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: purpose was to quote revive a custom long forgotten in

669
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: America spiritual emphasis. On the fourth of July, they held

670
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: another big essay contest, soliciting sermons on the theme Freedom

671
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: under God. Fifield encouraged ministers to read the sermons they

672
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: wrote to their own congregations on independent Sunday, July one.

673
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Now I want to hone in on this a bit

674
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: because it's brilliant. Earlier, Pew had criticized five Field for

675
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: not directly controlling what ministers wrote and said in their sermons.

676
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: But data had told me at am that that handing

677
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: out all right, that's just a sad criticism. It's like, hey, listen,

678
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: you're not controlling what everyone's saying. You get your pastors

679
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: on a hip. Yeah. But at the same time, while

680
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: like p was frustrated by this in a MS, data

681
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: shows that the pre written sermons and stuff that like

682
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: that they're handing out don't work. They sound too much. Yeah.

683
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: So Fiefield gets the brothers are right, they're man was

684
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: found exactly. Yeah, Fiefield gets seventeen thousand ministers to write

685
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: their own sermons on a theme that he's chosen. Um

686
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: and like ties that to the fourth of July. Right,

687
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: has all of the all of these ministers, thousands of

688
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: them around the country, giving variations of the same speech

689
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: on the thing he's picked all the July. Yeah, that

690
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: will put it in your own words kind of, Yeah, exactly,

691
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: that's how you copy. Well, it's like, yeah, it's like

692
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: a high school essay context. Yeah, it's like the winner

693
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: gets to go to fucking d C. Yeah, gets to

694
00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: help overthrow democracy and institute an oligarchic dictatorship. Yeah. I

695
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: mean you put it like that's a bad thing, but

696
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: that is an accomplishment. It is an accomplishment. Look, I

697
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: mean you got to get him taken anything from these dudes.

698
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: They're good at what they're doing. So I'm gonna quote

699
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: next from Kevin Cruz again. These sermons were amplified by

700
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: a program broadcast that same evening over CBSS National Radio Network.

701
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Cecil Bata Mill worked with his old friend Fifield to

702
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: plan the production, giving it a professional tone and attracting

703
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: an impressive array of Hollywood stars. Jimmy Stewart served as

704
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: master of ceremonies, while Bing Crosby and Glorious Swanson offered

705
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: short messages of their own. The preamble to the declaration

706
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: was led by Lionel Barrymore, who had gonna be Mickey Mouse.

707
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: This is this is what happens when you make a

708
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: banker the protagonist of one of the most famous movies

709
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: of all time. That's entirely that's all. I know. You've

710
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: got very good points about all of these people. I mean,

711
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna blame Jimmy Stewart alone. It's it's it's him,

712
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: not just a banker, but a banker who, to his credit, bombed,

713
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: flew a bunch of bombing missions over Jermy and World

714
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: War two, and then, to less of his credit, was

715
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: an active general during the Korean War of the Air Force.

716
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Don't don't get me started on Mickey's history. And Mickey

717
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: Mouse has killed a lot of people. But you know what,

718
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: Mickey doesn't get up in the sky to do it.

719
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: Mickey Mickey uses a knife. That's true. Um, yeah, so

720
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Lionel Barrymore, Drew Barrymore is either father or grandfather I

721
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: forget right now, but stop it. Yeah, ten people alive.

722
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm sick of this spot about it. He poses to

723
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: like help advertise this event where he's, you know, all

724
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: these famous people are giving speeches and he's reading the

725
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: pre embl He poses holding a giant quill and looking

726
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: at a piece apartment a parchment with the words freedom

727
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: under God will save our country. Again, this is we

728
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: don't think about what under God means so much, but

729
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: like this is a very specific political line because freedom

730
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: under God, they have made mean a very specific thing.

731
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: Right that you have the freedom to be poor. That's

732
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: what it means freedom under God to these guys is

733
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: you have the freedom to be poor, and you're not

734
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: free if there aren't poor people. That's it sounds like

735
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: you are not thankful for your freedom. Sir. Yeah, I

736
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: mean yeah, that's that's that's where all this get started.

737
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: So the broadcast featured choral performances of the America as

738
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: well as heritage, an epic poem composed by the former

739
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: leader of the US Chamber of Congress, General Matthew Ridgeway.

740
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah whites are great. Yeah, whites are great. Everybody knows

741
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: it's fun. The guy who takes over commanding American forces

742
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: in Korea. Uh, Lionel Barrymore's great uncle to Drew Barrymore.

743
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sophie. Uh somewhere in there, um so, Matthew Ridgeway,

744
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: who's the commander of American forces in Korea, the guy

745
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 1: who replaces uh fucking famous right wing ship head Douglas MacArthur. Um,

746
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: he's also a right wing ship head. And he gives

747
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: a keynote address from Tokyo as part of this like

748
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 1: big fucking Fourth of July brew haha. And he tells

749
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: America that the Founding Fathers were motivated to do what

750
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: they did by their Christianity. Um, you know, don't read

751
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: Thomas Paine in the whole book he wrote about how

752
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't like Christianity. They did it all for Jesus.

753
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: You know, that was the genesis of America. So this

754
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: is the kind of propaganda that sticks in people's hearts

755
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: and souls and it becomes central to their being the

756
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: genius here. And this is where Pew and the n

757
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: a M come into It. Was that wrangling beloved celebrities

758
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Stewart and Bing Crosby Like that's they're They're like,

759
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Fifield doesn't have that kind of power on his own,

760
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: but the n a M does. They've got all these

761
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: fucking in roads everywhere. And this, this whole gigantic event

762
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: solidifies the Fourth of July as the most Sacred Day

763
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: in the right wing religious calendar right Um and as

764
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: a site benefit to the corporations who sponsored the show,

765
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: the Christian libertarian ideology FI Field five Field expands upon

766
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: over the airwaves also gets to hit your ride into

767
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: people's souls. It becomes part of the Fourth of July

768
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: and part of the celebration of the Fourth of July,

769
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: and part of the lexicon we used to talk about.

770
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: Freedom gets infected with this thing that he's invented. One

771
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: of the things that I absolutely despise most more than

772
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: anything else, is finding out some horrific tradition is only

773
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: like like my dad could have not dealt with it,

774
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, like like every time I go to a

775
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: baseball game and there's a fly by by ship, I'm like,

776
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: the war's over, man, Like I want to start a war.

777
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: Like it's that kind of fury at like we're past this, man,

778
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Why we still? Why are we doing this? Why are

779
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: we doing this? We do this for a long time.

780
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: The information that you have just provided Jordan will make

781
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: it so he can't watch the hot dog eating contest?

782
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Will you ever watch that hot dog eating contest? I

783
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: will watch? Yeah, I mean I've never watched one and

784
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: never will again, but certainly extra not now. And you

785
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: can tell Jamie Loft as I said that, Yeah, you

786
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: better fucking do it. Yeah, anyways, I will. So the

787
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: celebrations all of this ship we've talked about is the

788
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: days leading up to the fourth of July. Um. On

789
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: the fourth itself, the Committee to Proclaim Liberty coordinates Americans

790
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: in nearly every state to all ring their church bells

791
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: simultaneously for ten minutes. I don't like that. I don't

792
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: like No, that's great, it's great. In Los Angeles, the

793
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: city government uses the air raid sirens like to do this,

794
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: like they joined in with l A's air raids. This

795
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: is the first time Los Angeles air raid sirens are used.

796
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Um scare people who didn't know. Yeah, why what did

797
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: you do this? There's a cold bar on what we

798
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: are fighting in Korea. Everyone has nukes now, um one.

799
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: That's one of the That's one of the things that

800
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: is like changed so much from growing up in small

801
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: town Middle America. Is like, when I was young, a

802
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: large group of people chanting the same thing was good.

803
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Now that we're where we are, if a large group

804
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: of people chant the same thing, I'm running in the

805
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: opposite direction. I don't care if it's USA or like

806
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: fucking Sylvan Esso is great. I'm out of here because

807
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: there's Nazis there. Um. Sophie also just muted me for

808
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: a second. That's when everyone I knows she's trying to

809
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: steal my my my voice, and my free speech. I'm

810
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: being canceled by the radical left. So uh one if so.

811
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: The fucking Los Angeles uses their air raid sirens to

812
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: celebrate the Fourth of July, and a newspaper writer describes

813
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: it as in the most fascist line I have ever

814
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: heard in a newspaper, A scream as wild and proud

815
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: as that of the American Eagle. Yeah, you love to

816
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: hear it, Daniel, Can we get an air raid sirens

817
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: so everyone can hear a scream as loud and proud

818
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: as the American Eagle? I was a good air raid siren,

819
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: not Daniel, Chris, sorry, beautiful Chris. Just so, the whole

820
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: thing was a big hit. The Committee to Proclaim Liberty

821
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: organizers wrote in a later analysis that quote the very

822
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: words freedom under God have added to the vocabulary of

823
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: freedom a new term. It is a significant phrase to

824
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: people who know that everybody from Stalin on down is

825
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: paying lip service to freedom until its root meeting is

826
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: no longer a parent. The term freedom under God provides

827
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: a means of identifying and separating conditions which indicate pseudo

828
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: freedom or actual slavery from those of true freedom. So

829
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: if you think freedom is not having to worry about

830
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: going broke because you can't pay for healthcare, or if

831
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: you think freedom is not starving to death, you're a slave,

832
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: that's slavery. That's a really good point that I hadn't

833
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: thought of it in that way before, but since you

834
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: just said it, I'm convinced. Yeah, yess, I'm going to

835
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: go on to vote for Ronald Reagan in a couple

836
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: of days. It's it's really weird. It's really weird how

837
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: you convinced me of a point that you were in

838
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: opposition to. So things start to move very quickly after

839
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: this point. This is a huge hit. So in nineteen

840
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: fifty three, the US has its first ever National Prayer Breakfast. Um,

841
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: we can talk a lot about the family here, but

842
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: you know what, the theme of the first Prayer Breakfast

843
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: is contest almost basic government under God. There's that term

844
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: under God again. In nineteen fifty four, the Pledge of

845
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: Allegiance has the words under God added to it. Congress

846
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: adds in God we Trust to our stamps in nineteen

847
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: fifty four and to paper money in nineteen fifty five.

848
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty six, in God we Trust becomes the

849
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: first official motto of the United States. All of this

850
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: happens right after this Fourth July events. Fairly, I know,

851
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: it's really not fair. That's fucked up. Like if if

852
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: my dad didn't have to say under God, I should

853
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: retroactively not have to have said it when I said

854
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: the president, And if you and if someone suggests that

855
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to say your dad's gonna be pissed.

856
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: You know who else is going to be will be

857
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: furious the hot dog you didn't contest people. Oh yeah,

858
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: but they're always angry. No, who's gonna be piste is

859
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the products and services that support this podcast because they're

860
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: such good deals that ley're losing money on every sale.

861
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: You know, they're really because of the deals that we're

862
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: giving you. It's really hurting them. So they don't they

863
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: do have that freedom, they have that freedom to be poor,

864
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: you know. Ah, and we're back. We are you and

865
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: I me us all here together talking. I just want

866
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: to say now that now that we're back, you're doing

867
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: a great job. Thank you, thank you, Yeah, thank you, Jordan,

868
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm sorry for all the mean things I

869
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: said about you all fair to your face. That's that's

870
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: that's okay. I cried through it. Sophie says most of

871
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: stuff to me every morning. That's how I wake up

872
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: every And also, also, I'd like to apologize that I

873
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: kept telling you that Hoover won Pennsylvania during the you

874
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: you did say that about a hundred and thirty times

875
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: when Jordan was just cursing at me in an unbroken stream.

876
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what came over me, but yeah, it's

877
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: good stuff. We'll just make that be the ad break

878
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: next time. So, Reverend James Fifield has accomplished something amazing

879
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: here right like under God is fucking everywhere, and now

880
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: we all know the horrible, fucked up ideological reasons behind

881
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: those words. In his write up on this whole fucking thing,

882
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Ecker Toy Junior notes quote many of Fifield's letters, both

883
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: to Pew and Crane, ended with the request for funding.

884
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: Fifield continuously presented himself as selfless and living a simple life,

885
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: even though both his church and his Spiritual Mobilization were

886
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: perpetually in a state of need. As Fifield asked for

887
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: donations and monetary interventions to save himself financially, he and

888
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: his staff directed, very few funds are outreach initiatives to

889
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: the poor. They are spending it. Also were very We're

890
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: very we're the tip of the spear. I just want

891
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: to let you, but we need your money to continue

892
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: fighting the good, fights, pioneering it. Yeah. Yeah, but he's

893
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: just talking directly to rich guys now. Toy quotes from

894
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: a letter an employee of Spiritual Mobilization sent to Crane

895
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: of the n A. M. And nineteen fifty three quote.

896
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: Basic to your thought in this area is the concept

897
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: of vast majorities who cannot take care of themselves. They're

898
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: too foolish, too week two gullible, You and a few

899
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: others who really care feel the need to scurry around

900
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: and get government to force somebody else to do something

901
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: for these poor folk. Tolstoy made an observation that bears

902
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: directly on your little crusade. He said, people will do

903
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: everything for the poor except get off their backs. This

904
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: is the job for the government and libertarian thought to

905
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: destroy parasitism by pulling people off their victims back. For this,

906
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: we need a strong government, strong enough to do the

907
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: job so you might do good stuff that you might

908
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: that incoherent like we need the government. Yea, sir, sir,

909
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: one more time. What it's very funny. It's also funny

910
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: because Fifield himself is absolutely a parasite on the rich.

911
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Like he's just sucking money away from them and they

912
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: get a lot for it early on, um, but it

913
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: starts it doesn't work as well after this big Fourth

914
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: of July thing that's kind of like his his high point. Yeah,

915
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: fifields high. He did his part. He did his part,

916
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: and it's not necessary after that. That's exactly right. Oh

917
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: my god, you are really getting into a tribe called quests,

918
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: aren't you sure? Come on now, come on, I didn't

919
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: catch that. Am I a monster? Am I a bad?

920
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: It just wasn't a good joke. I'm glad you said it,

921
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: Dan fair point being a hero once again. I have

922
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: the freedom of expression. Well, and we you also have

923
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: the freedom to go broke when you get cancer. We

924
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: have glorious freedom here, all of us, Um. So the

925
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: Reverend Fifield. One of the funny things about him is

926
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: that for all his left of capitalism and ship um,

927
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: every time he tries to do with capitalism, he's terrible

928
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: at it. He he launches a television show based on

929
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: his you know, ramblings that does not do well. People

930
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: do not like the referend five field hour um. But

931
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: um no that he doesn't try doing that, but he does,

932
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: like he has like this land Deally Trade's like a

933
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: couple of different business deals that all fall through that

934
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: he uses the money his foundations getting from rich guys

935
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: to try to fund right um. And they start to

936
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: get angry because they're like, well, he's just using our

937
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: money to try to get rich himself and he's bad

938
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: at it. And that's the real unforgivable. Two rich guys,

939
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna say, you do not have the freedom to

940
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: be bad at getting rich. You can you can take

941
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: our money and get rich. You cannot take our money

942
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: and not get rich. Now, the good news is that

943
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: spiritual mobilization had already done the one thing that it

944
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: had meant to do, which is kick open the doors

945
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: of religious politicization and tie Christianity to the free market

946
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: and the hearts of millions of Americans. Just a few

947
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: years after that famous Fourth of July, his work had

948
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: gone so far beyond him that he had been marginalized.

949
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: His final straw with the Pew Brothers was a propaganda film,

950
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: which they considered weak. In nineteen fifty seven, five Field

951
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: quit Spiritual Mobilization altogether, and it drifted along on fumes

952
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: for a few years before it died out. The cause

953
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: it had birthed, however, sailed right ahead. Pew and Crane

954
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: found a new minister to invest in, one who was

955
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: much better with money. Do you want to guess what

956
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: this guy's name was? Uh? Yeah, not Joe, Like, it's

957
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: not quite I do love Marjoe, kind of love margin

958
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: because he's very charming. Now it's Billy Graham, Yes, of course,

959
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: Billy Graham. Baby. So we could have just gone back

960
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: in time and just slapped that guy in the face

961
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: and it would all been fine, and we'd have to

962
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: go back further. There's actually three boats. If I could

963
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: go back in time with a chain gun, there's three

964
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: boats I'm taken care of. You know that sounds like

965
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: that sounds like a Owen Brothers movie. Yeah, three boats

966
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: sunk in the middle of the ocean by a time

967
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: traveler with a gatling gun. Yeah, um so yeah. Billy Graham,

968
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: Um Pew and Crane decided to back him next after

969
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: they kind of abandoned Fifield. You know, he has to

970
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: leave spiritual mobilization. YadA, YadA. Had a very sad story

971
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: for the asshole. Here's Eckert Toy again. The mission was

972
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: to spread the free market conservative message through religion had

973
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: only just begun, and in many ways Graham further nuanced

974
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: its delivery. As Graham himself put it to J. Howard Pugh,

975
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: God has given me the ear of millions. He has

976
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: given to you large sums of money. It seems to

977
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: me that if we can put these two gifts of

978
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: God together, we could reach the world with a message

979
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: of Christ. Billy Graham much smarter guy. As a business proposition,

980
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: supporting Graham was a win win. Graham's ministry would flourish,

981
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: business interests would be advanced by a key opinion shape,

982
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: and unlike Fifield, Graham would not continually pest your Pew

983
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: about his dial or dire financial situation and the need

984
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: for more funds. Graham was a public figure who ingratiated

985
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: himself into the Paul Takes of America, promoting political involvement

986
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: at his revival meetings. He had preached from the steps

987
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: of the US Capital in nineteen fifty two, and he

988
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: also had a close relationship with President Eisenhower. So yes,

989
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: the fame famous communist agent Eisenhower be like communism. Well,

990
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: and that's also too because the very early on n A. M.

991
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ties with the John Birch Society.

992
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: But that's not the best way to get your message

993
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: out to a lot of people. Billy Graham's a much

994
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: cuddlier figure. He's got a lot more people are gonna

995
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: like Billy Graham than than fucking Welch, you know well,

996
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: and his steaks are more real to most people, like

997
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: your eternal souls and bones he's got sure. Yeah. Yeah.

998
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: The first big collaboration between you and Graham was a

999
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: little publication. You might have heard about, Jordan, you might

1000
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: you might know about this Christianity today, Oh I've heard

1001
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: of Yeah, yeah, that's this is how it starts. And

1002
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: my family was more focused on the family by the Dobsons,

1003
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: but christian it's it's a different magazine now. But It

1004
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: was originally number one, It was originally just for ministers,

1005
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: and it was founded by Graham and Pew to solidify

1006
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: ties between the right wing and organized Christianity. Pew explained, quote,

1007
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Christianity today is a magazine conservative and its theology and

1008
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: beamed directly to the ministerial mind mind. Those of us

1009
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: who have given years of study to this problem realized

1010
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: that it is just as important to have conservatism and

1011
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: theology as it is to have conservatism and economics and

1012
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: sociology if America is to remain great. And that was true.

1013
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: It was they were. They just nailed it. You know.

1014
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes a lot of people are like, ah, they're

1015
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: bad people. But I'm telling you they nailed it. And

1016
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about Ministers only

1017
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: dot Com, their dating website that they had underneath it,

1018
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: that really nailed it. Yeah, Minister Ministers dot Com and

1019
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: Priest Fuck, which was its slightly slightly trashy or cousin.

1020
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: That was their equivalent of the then Bear Workshop, the

1021
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: Catholic funka Bear Workshop. We don't need to get into that.

1022
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: That's going to get unsettling quickly. So from the beginning,

1023
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: both Graham and especially Pew, took pains to ensure they

1024
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: could not be tied too closely to the magazine. They

1025
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be seen as an overtly political look,

1026
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: even though it was. Despite claiming a hands off attitude,

1027
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: Peugh constantly complained about the editorial direction chosen by the

1028
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: man they picked to run the magazine, dr Bell. In

1029
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: ninety eight, Pew hired the Opinion Research Bureau to conduct

1030
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: one of the first Pew surveys, although it was not

1031
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: yet called a Pew Survey, carried out on the readers

1032
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: of Christianity Today. It found that nearly thirty percent of

1033
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: ministers still described themselves as something besides fundamentalist or conservatives.

1034
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: Fourteen percent even called themselves liberal. Now, this might be

1035
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: due to the fact that Christianity Today was blatant right

1036
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: wing propaganda, so only a few progressive to Reddit. Billy

1037
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: Graham probably knew this, but he was savvy enough to

1038
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: see how this data could be used to peer pressure

1039
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: more ministers into moving right. He wrote, I believe this

1040
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: poll should be widely publicized. So many of our ministers

1041
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: are liberal only because they think it's the popular thing

1042
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: to be. If they could understand that the vast majority

1043
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: of American clergy are conservative, it could swing hundreds of

1044
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: others over to the conservative position. It would also probably

1045
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: have a great impact on our seminaries if properly distributed.

1046
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: This isn't the point, but again, your character fell apart.

1047
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not I'm starting, but it just went

1048
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: just I mean, I just kept thinking, like what if

1049
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: the DARE program was more oriented around Christian nationalism, Like

1050
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: if all of these pastors had peer pressured each other

1051
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: into doing drugs, I feel like we would have all

1052
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: had a little bit in an incredible place as a

1053
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: country is being discovered around this time around back, Christianity

1054
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: today is literally just sheets of acid inside of a magazine. UM.

1055
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: And obviously today it is a different thing. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Christianity today is such a centrist magazine now that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump called it far left. UM. Obviously getting good data overall,

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Speaker 1: and where priests, ministers, and reverends are politically as complicated,

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Speaker 1: it's not an easy group to just certifice, like survey

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Speaker 1: all of them. But it's worth noting that while roughly

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Speaker 1: eighteen percent of Americans are white Evangelical Protestants, they make

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Speaker 1: more up more than forty three percent of what Yes

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Speaker 1: Pew Research calls staunch conservatives and thirty nine percent of

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Speaker 1: so called mainstream Republicans. So there's a debate to be

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Speaker 1: had as to like whether or not it's broadened or

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Speaker 1: narrowed the electoral kind of possibilities of conservatives in America.

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Speaker 1: But as a result of everything we've talked about this week,

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Speaker 1: the center of the of organized conservatism in the US

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Speaker 1: are white evangelical Protestants, the most reliable voting block, the

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Speaker 1: most organized one. And it all started here. Good time

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Speaker 1: refuse rewrite a story and make it less sad, make

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Speaker 1: it fun. Um Yeah, yeah, if I get a time machine,

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Speaker 1: I can do the fun version of this story. That's

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Speaker 1: you know that that makes sense. I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people not wanting to. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: just I just hate that when stuff isn't old enough.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a period. Yeah. I can't. I can't

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Speaker 1: like walk over to my grandfather and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you remember when things weren't ship Like that's not fair,

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Speaker 1: Like I should have to go way further back in time.

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Speaker 1: This thing seems so trenched. Yeah, but it's not like

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Speaker 1: from the heartening thing about that is is because it's

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Speaker 1: not that old. We could we could do different stuff,

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Speaker 1: like we could make it be different as a country.

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Speaker 1: We had at a certain point of time, Christianity wasn't

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Speaker 1: that old, and now it's fucking old, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. But as Robert's also, what could happen Robert

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Speaker 1: to your point though, to like, you know, if your

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Speaker 1: story has taught me anything. If we're going to shift

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Speaker 1: this back, we need billionaires and we need charismatic preachers.

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Speaker 1: Those are things that I don't think we have access to.

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Speaker 1: I will accept being both at any time, as long

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Speaker 1: as everybody else takes care of I know. George Soros

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Speaker 1: listens to the podcast. George, Buddy, we got an idea.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna recontextualize what what holiday can we

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Speaker 1: take over day? Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 1: your Riper Day is not our take over. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: make Memorial Day about I was gonna say, well, that's

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Speaker 1: what these guys who do We're gonna Okay, sorry, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was President saying. I thought we were branching

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Speaker 1: out if we made Memorial Day the center of celebration.

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Speaker 1: Breaking into the House of the Alex Asar the former

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Speaker 1: Health and Human Services secretary, and taking all the ill

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Speaker 1: gotten gains he made from jacking up the price of insulin.

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Speaker 1: That could be the new the memorial to the dead

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Speaker 1: of the insulin crisis. All we need is a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to really get this going, and we

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Speaker 1: can do a deep fake of Bing Crosby and uh

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Speaker 1: and Jimmy Stewart, we can recontext. Listen, Jimmy, both of

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Speaker 1: us were kind of milk toast before you say Bing

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Speaker 1: Crosby a man. I don't see why we shouldn't go

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Speaker 1: to Aleck's alex He's os house and and take his

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Speaker 1: and take his cars and his nice golden things. I'm

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Speaker 1: James Stewart. Yeah, that was a character than I do

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Speaker 1: my best there. I can't. I can't well, I'm Bing Crosby,

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Speaker 1: and I think you should go to alex as Our's

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Speaker 1: house and take his car. Every every time I take

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Speaker 1: about doing a car, every time I think about doing

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Speaker 1: a Bing Crosby, it transfers in to Yogi Bear instantaneously,

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Speaker 1: just that constant like hey, we're gonna hey booboo. Like

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Speaker 1: it's so fast. There's not a lot of the Sackler

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Speaker 1: family toad into the middle of the ocean on a

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Speaker 1: barge basket. Hey, boo boo, we gotta take down the state. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bing Crosby and fucking uh the bear. Goddamn it, I

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Speaker 1: spaced on the name. I ruined the joke. Now it's over. Well,

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Speaker 1: now you're great. You guys got any pluggables to plug?

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Speaker 1: I just you know, we have our our podcast to

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Speaker 1: Knowledge Fight dot com. Where where that lives? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just want to aggressively promote my book on this one.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Quiet Part Loud. You can download it

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Speaker 1: for free at the Quiet Part anything you want, just

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Speaker 1: read it or don't. I really just put it out

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Speaker 1: there and it was great. Anyways, it's the Quiet Part

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Speaker 1: Loud dot Com. It's a passive aggressive club. Just want

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Speaker 1: to aggressively promote my book. There you go and see.

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Speaker 1: That's how you do it. That's how you plug your learning.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. You're learning. Soon you'll be as good a

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Speaker 1: pitchman as the reincarnated digital ghosts of Jimmy Stewart and

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Speaker 1: Bing Crossby. I'm just looking for them level of cells. Yeah, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, soon coming soon. Lionel Barrymore comes back

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Speaker 1: and tell people to rob Bank of America locations. Mickey Mouse,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse and fighting in the mountains to make a

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Speaker 1: Zapatista like colony in Appalachia. I'll be back over the

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Speaker 1: war is fish. Um. We could do it, everybody, we

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Speaker 1: could do it. All we need is a couple hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars. So now I'm now, I'm in my head

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Speaker 1: reading of a war letters in Mickey Mouse's voice, and

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Speaker 1: the caravan hanging in. An addition to the government troops,

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Speaker 1: ri sl my love for you, burn says every night.

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Speaker 1: All right, well that should get us some fun fan art. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's the episode. Have a good week, everybody,