WEBVTT - Developing Overnight: Uvalde Verdict In ... NOT GUILTY

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, January twenty second, and

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<v Speaker 1>we got a late night verdict in the Uvaldi trial

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<v Speaker 1>and the officer being held responsible, the one that they

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<v Speaker 1>said should be held accountable for what happened in that

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting. He has now been found not guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>child engagement. With that. Welcome to this episode of Amy

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<v Speaker 1>and TJ. Roabes. We kind of stopped keeping an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on jury deliberations because we thought they'd wrap up, but

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<v Speaker 1>they stuck around last night and kept working and delivered

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty significant verdict there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this came down late last night and back to

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<v Speaker 2>full admission. I was already asleep, so I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>to this news after deliberating for seven hours. After a

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<v Speaker 2>two week trial, former police officer Adrian Gonzalez Yes, was

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<v Speaker 2>found not guilty. He was facing twenty nine counts of

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<v Speaker 2>child endangerment for the nineteen children who died and the

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<v Speaker 2>ten children who survived in those classrooms. He was accused

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<v Speaker 2>of basically not acting, failing to take action. As he

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<v Speaker 2>was the first officer. A few more came up on

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<v Speaker 2>the scene within minutes. At the scene of the of

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<v Speaker 2>Aaldise school shooting and the prosecutors said he was there

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<v Speaker 2>before the gunman entered the building, and their assertion was

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<v Speaker 2>that he could have prevented the gunmen from going into

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<v Speaker 2>the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the significance here, folks, is that these parents of

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<v Speaker 1>all of these kids have been waiting for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time for some kind of accountability, some kind of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what many of them felt was there first

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe one of their only shots at it. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the only man at this point who has been

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<v Speaker 1>held accountable, who has been held criminally accountable for what

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<v Speaker 1>happened that day. Well, we say held accountable, but now

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are clearly viewing this as he

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<v Speaker 1>is not being held accountable and he did not do

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<v Speaker 1>his job. That was key here, Robes. You signed up

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<v Speaker 1>as a police officers has to protect and serve, and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds simple on the surface. You sign up as

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<v Speaker 1>an officer, that means you will give your life to

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<v Speaker 1>protect innocent life and so in the most basic of forms,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, I think a lot of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>have a difficult time understanding that a police officer arriving

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene before the gunman, here's one hundred shots

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<v Speaker 1>go off and he never goes into the building. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a hard time understanding how he might have acted appropriately.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree, And yes, there was obvious outrage, emotional

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<v Speaker 2>outrage among the parents of these children, the family members

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<v Speaker 2>of teachers, teachers themselves clearly emotionally visibly upset. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted this officer, Officer Gonzales held accountable and other officers

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<v Speaker 2>held accountable. There was a seventy seven minute lag between

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<v Speaker 2>when those first shots were fired and when officers finally

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<v Speaker 2>stormed that room, the Border patrol officers who shot and

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<v Speaker 2>killed the gunmen and eventually brought an end to the

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<v Speaker 2>bloodshed and the violence. But this is disturbing. Jurors heard

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom, heard the public herd shots, and we heard teachers,

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<v Speaker 2>at least one teacher saying she told officer Gonzales, he's

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<v Speaker 2>in there, he's there, he's in black. And you heard

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzales putting all of that information out on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>but not acting. They said, prosecutors that he froze, that

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<v Speaker 2>he did not do his job. He had been trained.

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<v Speaker 2>They went over his training, They went over all of

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<v Speaker 2>the training that police officers get, and in every instance

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<v Speaker 2>it is to act to run towards gunfire, not to cower,

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<v Speaker 2>not to take and seek protection, not to hide, not

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<v Speaker 2>to radio, but to go in towards gunfire. That is

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<v Speaker 2>what police officers are supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the prosecution argument. The defense certainly had a response

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<v Speaker 1>to that that obviously won over this particular juror. But

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<v Speaker 1>the key question here was is there something criminally wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with this man's actions? Can we hold a police officer

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<v Speaker 1>criminally liable for his reaction in a moment of chaos

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<v Speaker 1>and a moment of panic. That was a key question

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<v Speaker 1>they had to consider, and obviously they came back with

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<v Speaker 1>a unanonymous verdict saying that Adrian Gonzales should not be

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<v Speaker 1>held accountable. Now, the prosecution did make the argument robes

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<v Speaker 1>you were making, and they flat out said in the

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<v Speaker 1>closing argument, Hey, if you don't want to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>find another line of work, that's fine, But your life

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<v Speaker 1>is not as valuable as innocent life. You didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>your job. It sounds that simple, and that's the argument

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<v Speaker 1>they drove home throughout this case. Yes, it was emotional

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<v Speaker 1>ass all get out. There were at times emotional outbursts

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom where there were questions and threats about

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<v Speaker 1>a mistrial because people couldn't keep it together. But they

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<v Speaker 1>got past all of that to get to this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>to get to yesterday. These parents have been waiting four

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<v Speaker 1>years almost for what they feel should be justice. These

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<v Speaker 1>same parents who were screaming at officers, please go in,

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<v Speaker 1>or even let me go in to save my own kid.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the moment. And now you had reactions afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>of parents absolutely saying this sends the message to police

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<v Speaker 1>officers show up at a scene. You ain't gotta do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, maybe you shouldn't because you might up getting

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<v Speaker 1>held criminally liable for your actions that someone then deemed

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<v Speaker 1>aren't the right actions. So don't even go to the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>is what some are arguing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what the defense actually used as part of

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<v Speaker 2>their argument in defending Gonzales, saying, if you end up

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<v Speaker 2>giving this man a guilty verdict, if he faces charges

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<v Speaker 2>and a conviction for these crimes prosecutors are alleging, then

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<v Speaker 2>you are now going to send a message to every

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<v Speaker 2>officer stay in the perimeter. Actually, don't even go to

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, because if you don't act perfectly, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't react perfectly, you will be held criminally responsible. And

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<v Speaker 2>so he was saying it would send a message of

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<v Speaker 2>deterrence for police officers. Actually it would do the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of encouraging officers to run towards the scene, they

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<v Speaker 2>would just stay away. Because their point was there were

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<v Speaker 2>other officers there and they were not charged because they

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<v Speaker 2>were deemed following orders. They were setting up a perimeter

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<v Speaker 2>or doing other things that they were told to do,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were not held responsible. So the defense said,

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<v Speaker 2>then that would be the directive to officers to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of potential questioning down the line about their actions.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go do something.

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<v Speaker 1>Else, and look, we are uh. And most people listening

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<v Speaker 1>saw headlines about this case and didn't deep do as

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<v Speaker 1>deep up a dive as maybe even we did because

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<v Speaker 1>we watched it so often. But also a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are not reading a lot of this testimony and

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<v Speaker 1>getting to the nitty gritty of the eyes and the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes doted and teach crossed when it comes to legalities

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<v Speaker 1>of this. But the defense did make some arguments. He said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>things weren't perfect, but you can't punish an officer for

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<v Speaker 1>not being perfect. There were failures, but what we're saying

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<v Speaker 1>here is nobody tried to fail. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>a good defense way to put it. Yes, he failed,

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<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't trying to and you can't hold him

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<v Speaker 1>responsible in this chaos of everything not being perfect. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was effective.

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<v Speaker 2>I did too, And they said he was being made escapegoat.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is a point that he Look, the police

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<v Speaker 2>chief is facing charges and he will have a trial

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<v Speaker 2>at a later date. But he was the only office

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<v Speaker 2>are on the scene who was charged, and there were

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<v Speaker 2>several there within those first few minutes, and ultimately I

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<v Speaker 2>believe hundreds of officers ended up showing up. But he

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the confusion. He talked about how Gonzales did

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<v Speaker 2>go into the school, into the hallway they called it

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<v Speaker 2>the hallway of death, I believe, and when they had

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<v Speaker 2>shots fired to them, they retreated. When I heard that

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<v Speaker 2>word retreat though, it's still sent to shiver up my spine.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think about police officers retreating. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution's argument.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the middle of one of the outbursts. A

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<v Speaker 1>fatal tunnel, I think, is what it's called. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that familiar with his phrase, but it makes sense. You

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<v Speaker 1>hell you see did in movies. You don't have officers

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<v Speaker 1>lined up in all way, one person, one with a

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<v Speaker 1>gunman can step out there and they're in literally a

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel to where they could all get shot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like being in a big sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense the argument, And again it's it's simple

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<v Speaker 1>for or it seems simple for a layperson, folks like

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<v Speaker 1>us who aren't in the legal field, who aren't in

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. But they are the ones who were telling

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<v Speaker 1>us robes plenty of people, ex there's gunfire, there are

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<v Speaker 1>children inside. Go, there's nothing to talk about. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>wait for backup. You tell me there are babies in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hear gunfire in there. You don't stand and

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<v Speaker 1>wait for something to happen. That, yes, that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should be fired, maybe you should find another

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<v Speaker 1>line of work, But should you be held criminally liable?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. And several people were fired, and

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<v Speaker 2>several people did leave the police force after this tragedy.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was interesting, I thought on the trial when

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution and this was used, or they attempted to

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<v Speaker 2>use this against mister Gonzalez, but they played a video

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<v Speaker 2>of an interrogation of him the day after the massacre,

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<v Speaker 2>where he told investigators that he was focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>woman who is telling him, you know, the the gunman's

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<v Speaker 2>in there, and he wasn't focused on the gunman's movements.

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<v Speaker 2>He's claiming he never saw the gunman, he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>where the gunman was. But he said something that was

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<v Speaker 2>held and used against him. He said, it was my mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just the adrenaline rush going and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shots fired and stuff like that. It was my mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>They were using his own words to say, you even

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<v Speaker 2>admitted that you screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you screw up, is that a criminal act?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't know. But the jury, certainly I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening even more closely than we were, certainly came to

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that the law does not allow this man

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<v Speaker 1>to be charged for what he did. It's very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that not a single kid had been shot

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<v Speaker 1>by the time Adrian Gonzalez got to highchool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so heartbreaking to even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me, how, how did he act appropriately? If he

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<v Speaker 1>saved one, if he saved two, if he got shot himself,

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<v Speaker 1>if he just directed the shooter's attention, That for a

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<v Speaker 1>layperson sounds like, come on, dude, you obviously did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be held responsible and people are dead because

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Folks, The gunman was not in the school

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<v Speaker 1>when Adrian Gonzalez got there. If he'd have done anything differently,

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<v Speaker 1>if he'd have gone towards the direction where the woman

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<v Speaker 1>was pointing saying he was over there, things could have

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<v Speaker 1>gone differently. The teacher went back into the school. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution made such an emotional case robes that everybody acted

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<v Speaker 1>in defense of those kids except the guy with the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Those job it was and sworn to protect them with

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<v Speaker 1>his own life. That's tough, that's emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>It is tough because and that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>emotional outbursts. Those teachers didn't have guns, Those children didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have weapons. Those everyone inside that building who were being

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<v Speaker 2>shot at and you could hear the shots ringing out,

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<v Speaker 2>had zero protection. They had no weapons. And here you

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<v Speaker 2>have an officer of the law who has gone through

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<v Speaker 2>training to deal with this exact active shooter scenario, who

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<v Speaker 2>has a weapon, and he chose to stay where he

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<v Speaker 2>was to radio for help, to basically narrate what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening over the radio, rather than take action.

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<v Speaker 1>They said he was trying. They used the word he

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<v Speaker 1>was trying. He was trying to do his duty. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes were made and it added to the pain of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, but he made mistakes, but he acted. He

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<v Speaker 1>also said he didn't just stand there. He was actively

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<v Speaker 1>doing other things. I don't know. They said later he

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<v Speaker 1>was helping usher kids out or something in the other broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Windows, I believe, to help some of them escape.

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<v Speaker 1>So they said, they make it sound like he just

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<v Speaker 1>stand around drilling his thumbs while this was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not the case. Look, the defense made a

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<v Speaker 1>good this was near the end of closing arguments by saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't honor the memory of these kids by doing

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<v Speaker 1>injustice in their name. Okay, I mean, I get that,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is so tough emotionally and to details to

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<v Speaker 1>a lay person don't make a whole lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But folks, stay here. This is not the first time

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen a case like this. However, the result ends

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<v Speaker 1>up being the same as the other case. Will explain

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<v Speaker 1>also tell you who else is going to be facing

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<v Speaker 1>trial for the Euvaldi shooting. We continue here on this

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday morning. On Amy and TJ got a late night

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<v Speaker 1>verdict from the jurors and the Uvalde case of Adrian Gonzales,

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<v Speaker 1>the only officer of the first officer to be held

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<v Speaker 1>criminally responsible for the shooting at rob Elementary School in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two that left nineteen kids killed. Two teachers

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<v Speaker 1>died as well. But the jury came back and said

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<v Speaker 1>not guilty, that Adrian Gonzales should not be held criminally

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<v Speaker 1>liable for twenty nine counts of child endangerment ropes. The

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<v Speaker 1>police chief we mentioned I didn't see, Sorry, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>happen in front of me, but the police chief for

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<v Speaker 1>the Uvalde School District is supposed to be heading to trial. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean if you were his attorneys, when you

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<v Speaker 1>follow the same playbook.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, this is Chief Pte Arrendondo, and he was the

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<v Speaker 2>face of this in terms of just in the days

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<v Speaker 2>that followed, and he was obviously in charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>police response to the shooting. And I obviously the defense

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<v Speaker 2>attorneys who are representing Chief Arrendondo are clearly and were

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<v Speaker 2>watching this trial, and yeah, why wouldn't they go after

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<v Speaker 2>the same playbook. I was wondering if prosecutors even feel

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<v Speaker 2>confident about going forward with that case at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>and look it, being there on the scene and feeling

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<v Speaker 2>the emotion of the parents when it happened there in

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<v Speaker 2>Uvalde and knowing how frustrated, and that's not even the

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<v Speaker 2>right word, just to know that you weren't even allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to go into that building to save and protect your children,

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<v Speaker 2>that you weren't allowed to and parents were trying, and

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<v Speaker 2>that police officers they were screaming at them go inside.

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<v Speaker 2>It was horrific. And to think that now the officer

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<v Speaker 2>who was there, who didn't act, was found not guilty

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<v Speaker 2>to go after the police chief now seems surreal and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even a waste of taxpayer dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get assume they brought these cases because

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<v Speaker 1>they think they have a case. There's plenty that will

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<v Speaker 1>argue that they are trying to hold somebody irresponsible for

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, and you want to like somebody, this is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's fault. Yes, there were mistakes made this, but nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>babies are dead. You can't help. But it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>that a mass shooting took place. It was what happened afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Gonzalez heard one hundred plus shots while he was

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<v Speaker 1>standing outside after shot ten. Why didn't you go in

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<v Speaker 1>their kids in the school after shot thirty? After you

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<v Speaker 1>heard shot number sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Still and that is what officers are trained to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You're standing here.

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<v Speaker 2>He had point blank and that's what other officers testified.

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<v Speaker 1>To He waited for a backup he made he didn't testify.

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<v Speaker 1>We should say that as well, but he did make

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<v Speaker 1>the argument he waited for cover and didn't go in. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just legally you shouldn't be held criminally responsible. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's tough, and that's got to be tough for him

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he has to be with I actually had that thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he was found not guilty, and yes he thanked

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<v Speaker 2>his family and his defense attorneys, he said just a

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<v Speaker 2>few words after the verdict was read, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>directly asked if he had any thing to say to

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<v Speaker 2>the parents of the children who were killed, and he said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not at this time. But I was imagining, even though yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a free man, now, is he free, he

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<v Speaker 2>has to live in his own prison, in his own

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<v Speaker 2>kind of prison, because of what he knows about himself,

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<v Speaker 2>what he knows parents, most of those parents think of him.

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<v Speaker 2>That has to be a weight that is heavier than

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<v Speaker 2>any chain, than anything I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can he Is it possible he goes to bed

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<v Speaker 1>at night thinking I did the right thing that day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough to imagine. Look, we in our daily lives

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<v Speaker 1>things that go wrong and simple stuff. Man if I

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<v Speaker 1>had only done that differently, and you beat yourself up

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<v Speaker 1>about all kinds of things in a relationship, at a job,

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<v Speaker 1>at a daily assign whatever, this is one man, If

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<v Speaker 1>I had only done blank differently, twenty one people might

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<v Speaker 1>be alive. That is heavy, That is weighty, that is

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<v Speaker 1>and I do not envy the position that he is

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<v Speaker 1>in now. And your heart goes out to him in

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<v Speaker 1>some respect, just as a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>He panicked, you know, he panicked in the chaos. He

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<v Speaker 2>said he had tunnel vision, did he not? I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that was what he said. And yes, I do have compassion,

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous compassion for what he has to live with by

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<v Speaker 2>making a bad call, by letting fear perhaps guide him

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<v Speaker 2>instead of instead of I don't even want to say bravery,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know people have said, is it a crime

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<v Speaker 2>to be a coward? I hate to even put that

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<v Speaker 2>label on him. But he let fear cripple him. Fear

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<v Speaker 2>can motivate, you can cripple you, and he allowed it

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<v Speaker 2>to cripple him at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It cripples a lot of people, Yes it does. Shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a badge and a gun if it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>cripple you when I need you, because I call nine

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<v Speaker 1>one because I'm in trouble, and there are people who

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<v Speaker 1>will come save my life that I pay for.

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<v Speaker 2>And risk their own lives to save your.

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<v Speaker 1>Life because they signed up for it and they're expecting

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<v Speaker 1>my call. So I'm gonna call them. But then they

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<v Speaker 1>don't show up, or they show up and don't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything that is not what the system is designed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely correct, But we will or we have robes seeing

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<v Speaker 1>this before and it was the same result. Marjorie Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>High School down in Florida shooting down there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Parkland shooting. The only officer he stayed outside. He

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<v Speaker 2>went through a trial very much like this one, and

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<v Speaker 2>it ended very much like this one. That officer was acquitted.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was curious. We haven't discussed our reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to the verdict because we just haven't had this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was thinking, you probably are not surprised at

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<v Speaker 2>all because you have said this. It is. It is

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<v Speaker 2>almost impossible. If you look at all the cases where

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<v Speaker 2>police officers have been held accountable for the death of

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<v Speaker 2>someone while they were on the job, it's rare, to

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<v Speaker 2>say the very least.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the law and certainly jurors often defer to police

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<v Speaker 1>officers in their actions or their reactions and split second

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<v Speaker 1>decision making, chaos, panic, danger, they do. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>legal protections for officers as well. I'm sure a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of officers will tell you. We can't be in a

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<v Speaker 1>position to where we think if an officer gets to

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<v Speaker 1>a scene, he can't be the first thing on his mind. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if I do this, I might get sued. If I

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<v Speaker 1>do this, I might get charged. You just can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be second guessing every decision.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kidding, But so you have to give them the

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<v Speaker 1>freedom to act. Adrian Gonzalez had the freedom to act

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<v Speaker 1>like if he started just going through the windows and

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<v Speaker 1>looking through and firing shots and figure it anything like

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<v Speaker 1>the law would protect him if he thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>protecting those kids. And here we are. It's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>go through another trial. Do the parents want that? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>See? That's what I was thinking after this verdict of

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty and We saw the emotion in the courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>and as you pointed out, you know, a teacher had

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<v Speaker 2>to be escorted at or I believe the sister of

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<v Speaker 2>a teacher had to be escorted out. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher on the stand who they said, you can't consider

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<v Speaker 2>what she just testified to because there was so much

0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>emotion and this community. I mean, there were family members

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<v Speaker 2>as you might imagine, who traveled hours to Corpus Christi

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<v Speaker 2>because this trial took place outside of Uvalde, which is understandable,

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<v Speaker 2>so that they could get a fairer, more impartial jury

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<v Speaker 2>or an impartial jury. And so these family members were

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<v Speaker 2>driving hours to Corpus Christi to see this justice. And

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<v Speaker 2>are they really up for another trial?

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<v Speaker 1>We shall see. But folks want to hop on and

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<v Speaker 1>give you this update. A lot of you probably missed

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<v Speaker 1>the update overnight. But yes, in the case of the

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<v Speaker 1>Uvalde officer I was accused of failing to act and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly resulted in death at rob Elementary School in Uvalde

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, he has been acquitted found not

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of twenty nine counts of child endangerment. We always

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you spending some time with us. Keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on our feet today that is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>number of significant updates. Oh my goodness, we can tell

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<v Speaker 1>already news is breaking from dobbles. But keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you spending time with us. I'm TJ. Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of my dear Amy roboc Will Trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>Also