Speaker 1: Thinking sideways. I don't know. You never know. The story
Speaker 1: is of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well,
Speaker 1: Hi there, I'm taking a page from Steve's book today
Speaker 1: and saying, well, hi there there. I'm Devin, I'm Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm Steve, and we three, with our powers combined, are
Speaker 1: thinking sideways. Oh. I thought we'd planned this before. No,
Speaker 1: I think you need to like coordinate a little bit. Dang, alright,
Speaker 1: I was definitely not a page out of my bad
Speaker 1: not a page from my book. We actually didn't need
Speaker 1: some superhero music for for this, you know, we do.
Speaker 1: With the number of mysteries Joseph's Joe is so far,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to solve another one. We're probably not.
Speaker 1: Maybe we are, I don't know. I think we will, Okay,
Speaker 1: Joe thinks, so Steve doesn't. I say, maybe, Well, we'll
Speaker 1: at least come up with a plausible theory. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I love couple. Probably you can accept that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I this is a big one. You guys know. It's
Speaker 1: the wow signal, It's the wow yes wow. Um. I
Speaker 1: wish you guys could see the crazy faces that we're making.
Speaker 1: Always say that, Um, but I don't want to start
Speaker 1: out the story the way everybody else does because I
Speaker 1: feel like that's super boring. Also, I don't want to Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about something picked up by a
Speaker 1: radio observatory or radio telescope called the Big ear Um.
Speaker 1: It's officially called the Ohio State University Radio Observatory. It
Speaker 1: was a how do you say that cross type radio
Speaker 1: telescope located on the grounds of the Perkins Observatory in
Speaker 1: the Ohio Wesleyan University from nineteen sixty three to nineteen
Speaker 1: at which point it was annexed, torn down, and became
Speaker 1: a golf course. Yeah seriously, yeah, seriously golf course. Now yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they developed that land for like a golf
Speaker 1: to expand a golf course and also put in some housing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Poor science, poor science of other radio telescopes out there. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I know Joe has a better grasp on science,
Speaker 1: your science stuff like this than I do. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let him talk about what a Crouse radio telescope has.
Speaker 1: It has three components, right right, yeah? Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: imagine imagine a flat like sort of almost football field
Speaker 1: sort of shaped place, and then at one end of
Speaker 1: this At this thing, you've got what's called the flat array.
Speaker 1: The flat aright reflects radio way as it come down
Speaker 1: from the sky across the field into this vertical parabolic array,
Speaker 1: which is a curved array, and that reflects the signals
Speaker 1: back towards the flattery and right in front of the
Speaker 1: flat ter ay, there are these two things called feeder
Speaker 1: cones which which receive the concentrated radio ways into them
Speaker 1: and they convert them into electrical energy. So the then
Speaker 1: this thing is adjusted north and south by moving the
Speaker 1: flatter ay up and down, so essentially it's hinged at
Speaker 1: the bottom and then it just like moves up and down.
Speaker 1: So if you want to like, say, further south, you
Speaker 1: move it up. For the north, you move it down,
Speaker 1: and that's how it works. Very and then in the
Speaker 1: eighties thing I think that they had changed the Yeah,
Speaker 1: they put one of the arrays on tracks. Now they
Speaker 1: put the feeder cones on tracks. Oh, so they could
Speaker 1: move east to west and stay with a whatever kind
Speaker 1: of tone and yeah, are there if there was just
Speaker 1: some galaxy they wanted to observe more closely something like that,
Speaker 1: they could actually move them slowly side to side and
Speaker 1: keep it in focus for longer than seventy two seconds
Speaker 1: because yeah, otherwise, and we rotated out of because it's
Speaker 1: the rotation of the ears. Yeah, that's how long they
Speaker 1: could focus on some of I mean, anything with any
Speaker 1: kind of meaningful distance from us. Basically, Yeah, basically it
Speaker 1: was that the mercy of the of the turning of
Speaker 1: the Earth. Yeah, So this update would have been really
Speaker 1: really helpful to have had on August fifteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: a mere three years before they instituted the track system.
Speaker 1: So the update you're talking about is where the was
Speaker 1: it the ears the feeder cones as well? Just make
Speaker 1: sure I understand which update we were talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been really helpful to have a guy
Speaker 1: who was a member of study. I think is kind
Speaker 1: of the way you say that's participating in steady. Yeah,
Speaker 1: participating that you can can't really same member. Yeah, itization.
Speaker 1: It's just a group of people mostly volunteer anyway, aren't they. Yeah? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: He recorded what is widely believed to be some of
Speaker 1: the best proof for intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, or
Speaker 1: at least at the very least one of the things
Speaker 1: that pretty much everybody agrees the best explanation for is
Speaker 1: intelligent extraterrestrial life. And that's the wow signal. The signal. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll talk about it first. Some housekeeping. SET
Speaker 1: is the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. It's a collective name
Speaker 1: for a number of activities undertaken to search for intelligent
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial life. And it's comprised mostly I think of scientists,
Speaker 1: mostly of people who are not like crack pot alien theorists,
Speaker 1: people who are pretty respected. Yeah, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: all waing. That's I'm sure there's nuts in there, but
Speaker 1: but most of it. A lot of the people who
Speaker 1: take part in it are people who have do have
Speaker 1: access to high levels of you know, like the big
Speaker 1: ear or you've got to be really qualified to operate
Speaker 1: or take part and use that equipment. So we make totals,
Speaker 1: and of course not everybody is. Some people are just
Speaker 1: home astronomers and things like that. But generally speaking, if
Speaker 1: SETI says something, they deny a lot of stuff. They say, no,
Speaker 1: that's definitely not stuff, so they don't jump right to
Speaker 1: it every time. I got you. Yeah, and then we
Speaker 1: do need to talk a little bit about this thing
Speaker 1: called cosmic background noise. You guys know what that is, right,
Speaker 1: kind of cosmic background noise is recorded at about fifteen
Speaker 1: mega hurts and it's it's what you hear when you
Speaker 1: turn the radio tune in to nothing. It's white noise basically.
Speaker 1: And what that is is it's just left over thermal
Speaker 1: noise from the Big Bang, which I think is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Let's just watch some Big Bang the other days in fact,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool right that we can still hear
Speaker 1: this left over something from it. Yeah, the Big Bang
Speaker 1: is still with us, and I have to admit that
Speaker 1: that is it's more supposedly. Is that a theory or
Speaker 1: is it accepted as a fact the noise is left
Speaker 1: over from the Big Bang? Oh, because it's well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all theories and we need the Big Bang is
Speaker 1: only it's really weird to me. I'm not It's just
Speaker 1: really strange to think that this noise and this radiation
Speaker 1: has been bouncing around for that long from that one event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's dispersing still, it's like an echo essentially that I could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to reiterate, we mentioned it in passing a little
Speaker 1: garbled before. The way that this array worked at the
Speaker 1: time was that it was only it was focused by
Speaker 1: their rotation. Essentially, it was stationary. So if you think
Speaker 1: of it as like a pole kind of or just
Speaker 1: like a tube extending out of the Earth into space,
Speaker 1: that's what we see. And of course things come into
Speaker 1: focus and out of focus, so there's a little variable there,
Speaker 1: but it's we're only focused on what we can see,
Speaker 1: and the Earth's rotation took us out at that point,
Speaker 1: took us out of any kind of meaningful field of vision,
Speaker 1: every of me two seconds. So what what what an
Speaker 1: analogy that would make sense? Tell me if this is correct.
Speaker 1: You remember when you were a kid and you got
Speaker 1: the paper towel tube and you'd use it like it
Speaker 1: was a telescope. So with this is so, the way
Speaker 1: I'm understanding the way this thing works is if I'm
Speaker 1: using that to look and I'm sitting on the Merrio
Speaker 1: ground in the playground and it's moving slowly and I'm
Speaker 1: looking through it, I'm going to see something and it's
Speaker 1: going to go for if it's spinning left right, then
Speaker 1: it's going to go from one side across that entire
Speaker 1: field division and then pass out of that field division,
Speaker 1: and that takes seventy two seconds exactly, alright, just trying
Speaker 1: to because this whole thing again, this is the way
Speaker 1: this this telescope works. Yeah, it fruit loops my brain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of really great resources online will
Speaker 1: link to and we'll put some pictures up of kind
Speaker 1: of what's going on that if you just look at it,
Speaker 1: it'll be immediately apparent what we're talking about. Our words
Speaker 1: are only so good. That didn't help me. So of
Speaker 1: you who didn't know that. You know, astronomers don't just
Speaker 1: use optical telescopes. There's all kinds of radiation out there
Speaker 1: and it's all it all carries all kinds of interesting
Speaker 1: information in it. And so yeah, I was reading the
Speaker 1: some of the other radio telescopes out there, like that
Speaker 1: one in Puerto Rico, the one that was in Golden
Speaker 1: Eye would change the fond Yeah, yeah, I was reading
Speaker 1: some of the some of the amazing discoveries they've made
Speaker 1: with that thing, you know, And so it's like they've
Speaker 1: done some seriously important work and well in the advances
Speaker 1: in technology. They were put up in space. It's been
Speaker 1: ten years or more now. No, it wasn't humble, but
Speaker 1: it was some other telescope or some other array that
Speaker 1: they could use, which is how they were figuring out
Speaker 1: where the most gravitation and heat in the universe is
Speaker 1: because it was mapping all of that, because it actually
Speaker 1: had really fine detail for what it was in the
Speaker 1: area it was covering. So it's these things just they
Speaker 1: go just like smartphones, they go with leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1: It just takes longer to figure out what the data
Speaker 1: is telling. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's kind of one
Speaker 1: of the big you know, like with the Hobble, for example,
Speaker 1: you get some really cool pictures out of the deal.
Speaker 1: So with the radio telescopes, what people tend to focus
Speaker 1: on is this kind of Goldilocks frequency, which is the
Speaker 1: frequency that scientists theorized that pretty much any intelligent extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: life would likely broadcast in because it would signify both
Speaker 1: the fact that they were there and the fact that
Speaker 1: they were intelligent. I'm not really I don't totally understand
Speaker 1: why they think that particular one is good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm good with it, I'm fine with it. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I I could think that the
Speaker 1: aliens would be broadcasting all kinds of different frequencies, but
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, it's it's called the
Speaker 1: hydrogen line UM and it's once one thousand, four hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty point four zero five seven five one seven
Speaker 1: seven mega hurts exactly, which is the the electronnetic radiation
Speaker 1: spectral line, which that is created by a change of
Speaker 1: the energy state of the neutral hydrogen atoms. Which is
Speaker 1: language that I will openly admit I lifted straight off
Speaker 1: of Wikipedia, because nobody knows about this stuff. Joe might
Speaker 1: know about this stuff off the top of the head,
Speaker 1: but I think, as far as I can tell, scientists
Speaker 1: kind of assume that hydrogen is the most prevalent than
Speaker 1: it was the first one. That's why it's the most right.
Speaker 1: So I think the assumption is that since it's the
Speaker 1: most prevalent, that any intelligent life would like we have
Speaker 1: say hey, we're smart enough to identify this and also
Speaker 1: know at what mega mega hurts at wattage frequently, thank you,
Speaker 1: it changes, And it's universal. It's not like a number, right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't depend on our kind of life
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's universal. So they would broadcast
Speaker 1: in this to say hey, we're here and we're smart
Speaker 1: enough to understand this, and to you, yeah, and also,
Speaker 1: I guess we're smart enough to broadcast this because it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of energy to broadcast something like this,
Speaker 1: but that is an important number. Basically, you know, fourteen megaheurts'
Speaker 1: all right, megahirs rounded rounding is probably the easiest way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were listening at that frequency. That's well, they
Speaker 1: weren't listening at that frequency. They were listening at all frequencies,
Speaker 1: but that was the frequency that people were listening for.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, really cool, Steve got the glazed overlook. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: they were listening for I don't, I don't. So they
Speaker 1: were hoping that something would come in on that frequency
Speaker 1: and other resette was there. They're just an open broadband
Speaker 1: listening to listening to everything and that they were hoping.
Speaker 1: So they were Their hypothesis was if something is going
Speaker 1: to come through, is going to come through this frequency? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's going to signify likely signify intelligent extra trust. I
Speaker 1: got it, I got it. Cool. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: that's true, because I mean, not gonna A radio telescope
Speaker 1: is like an antenna, and antenna's antennas are usually specific
Speaker 1: to frequencies. So like, that's why I like you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a little AM radio has got a
Speaker 1: little short one, and then you've got it like something
Speaker 1: that transmits or receives on a really long band, you
Speaker 1: get a really long, long, long antenna. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that this thing is really capable of receiving all frequencies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I haven't. I haven't. I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything in the research that said anything. I think regardless,
Speaker 1: they're the one they were paying attention to. Was this
Speaker 1: four magnats. Yeah right, because that's that's the one, that's
Speaker 1: the one they cared about. So who knows, somebody might know. Listener,
Speaker 1: call out aliens, tell us all right, so housekeeping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're done with housekeeping. I think we are. I think
Speaker 1: so cool is now we get to tell go into
Speaker 1: the story. I know story. I know, anybody die yet.
Speaker 1: August fifty seven, Jerry Emon is using the Big Ear
Speaker 1: as a part of his Steti project. The Big Ear
Speaker 1: records all the noise it hears in an alpha numeric
Speaker 1: print out that correlates to the intensity of the noise.
Speaker 1: Most numbers that are recorded are like one to five.
Speaker 1: You see the occasional six or seven, just background noise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess this guy was not actually sitting there
Speaker 1: with headphones on his ears. He was probably off sipping
Speaker 1: coffee or maybe tequila. And then he just look at
Speaker 1: look at the paper. Just go look at the paper.
Speaker 1: Look at the paper print out later. Yeah, Because, as
Speaker 1: Steve mentioned earlier, apparently white noise sucks to listen to
Speaker 1: for some people. I find it comforting. Steve apparently does
Speaker 1: not well. And it actually makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: if you can record all this stuff and just glance
Speaker 1: at the paper later and look for anomalies. That's a
Speaker 1: nice little time saving. Absolutely. But most of these sixes
Speaker 1: and sevens that you see can be attributed to kind
Speaker 1: of reflections, because you know, we make a lot of noise.
Speaker 1: Their space jump that floats around out there for a
Speaker 1: second or two is that pesky moon bounces stuff back
Speaker 1: at its true sucks, but stupid moon, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of it soon, don't worry. In seven, for the
Speaker 1: full seventy two seconds that the big ear was able
Speaker 1: to receive it, it hurts something well unheard of the
Speaker 1: print out read six e q U J five for
Speaker 1: something that rarely hears anything above a seven. Once you
Speaker 1: hop into the out to the alpha part of the
Speaker 1: alpha numeric code. That's pretty intense. Yeah, and then to
Speaker 1: get it all the way to queue and you that's
Speaker 1: pretty high. And did you want to explain to our
Speaker 1: listeners exactly how they this notation works? Oh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess my saying alpha numeric doesn't make a whole lot
Speaker 1: of sense, does it? Was wondering. So the way that
Speaker 1: it works is that zero to one it just it
Speaker 1: basically refers. It refers to the amplitude that it receives
Speaker 1: in right, So nine is like pretty loud to begin with,
Speaker 1: but still kind of reasonable. And then it goes into
Speaker 1: the alphabet, which is crazy, right, and all the way
Speaker 1: to queue and you again, I mean that's crazy topping
Speaker 1: out the scale. And I don't know what they do
Speaker 1: if it gets up to z and then beyond Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do. Ye panic because it's
Speaker 1: probably an attack. Probably computer explodes like a star trek.
Speaker 1: Ye absolutely. Um. So Jerry sees this print out, circles
Speaker 1: it in red pen and remarks wow exclamation point in
Speaker 1: the margin, thus dubbing this phenomena the Wow. So that's
Speaker 1: how got its name. There's some significant things here that
Speaker 1: I like to point out, firstly, the burst was the
Speaker 1: full se seventy two seconds long, which means that it
Speaker 1: was probably longer than seventy two seconds. Jerry, when the
Speaker 1: Earth came back around, searched that same patch of sky
Speaker 1: again on the next day and he heard nothing crickets,
Speaker 1: which means that space crickets. Yeah, that the signal was
Speaker 1: anywhere between seventy two seconds and twenty four hours long,
Speaker 1: but not longer than that. Probably, Well do you think
Speaker 1: about It's like, you know, even if you're a sophisticated
Speaker 1: alien civilization, to create something that strong, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: you know, that's going to carry so far and still
Speaker 1: be strong at this end, we'll take a lot of power.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine they they probably you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have enough damned and enough coal plants to
Speaker 1: you know, really be doing. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: probably true. They think it came kind of from Sagittarius.
Speaker 1: That's about the constellation, the constellation of Sagittarius. I am
Speaker 1: not specifically two Sagittary I a solar system within there
Speaker 1: as close as they can tell. Again, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: as a rato radio signal. They think it probably came
Speaker 1: from that area, but it kind of came from like
Speaker 1: a black patch in between some solar systems in the
Speaker 1: Sagittarius constellation. And this is where they've done their their
Speaker 1: math and their homework to figure out where the telescope
Speaker 1: should have been pointing to make this this relatively accurate. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think there's there's probably more more accuracy, you know,
Speaker 1: side to side than up and down, because yeah, this
Speaker 1: thing is like, it's not it's not it's kind of
Speaker 1: like moving like a line across the sky. So it's
Speaker 1: like picking up a patch of the sky, but like
Speaker 1: a slice, like a vertical slice, and so and so
Speaker 1: left or right, you know pretty precisely where it came
Speaker 1: from up and there's a lot more variation in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to tell where it came from.
Speaker 1: But the tone was a continuous mega hurts. Yeah, got louder,
Speaker 1: presumably because just because of the rotation of the telescope
Speaker 1: just and then finally reaches this peak when it's pointed
Speaker 1: directly at that spot. Yeah, Okay, so you're under theories.
Speaker 1: I think we should Yeah, I kind of want to know,
Speaker 1: but I think we should do it. Stories bore you.
Speaker 1: So you know, my theory is that it was the
Speaker 1: death Star vaporizing a planet. That's very plausible. Actually, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing. Yeah, I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: first theories are something of terrestrial origin. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of self righteous quote air quote rationalists or air
Speaker 1: quote skeptics who say, well, obviously it was a reflected tone.
Speaker 1: Obviously we just it would pick something, you know, reflected
Speaker 1: something and it was from the Earth and dot's fine.
Speaker 1: Or was an airplane that flew over, or it was
Speaker 1: something totally ball but doesn't really fit the pattern. None
Speaker 1: of those fit the pattern. The problems with this, I
Speaker 1: think are fairly obvious. The fact that it was the
Speaker 1: continuous seventy two seconds. Who have to be a fixed point.
Speaker 1: This guy could be something zipping by everything. Actually it
Speaker 1: probably it couldn't have really been an airplane for the
Speaker 1: same reasons. The other point that I want to make
Speaker 1: is that MEGA hurts because the scientific community has come
Speaker 1: together as a whole on an international scale. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that everybody in the world kind of agrees with
Speaker 1: this is a protected bandwidth, so people aren't allowed to
Speaker 1: broadcast on Earth. I can't get on my CB until
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know how well
Speaker 1: that's monitored. Of course, there's the possibility that some military
Speaker 1: decided on all we're gonna do it. Oh, here's this
Speaker 1: frequency that no, but he's using crazy or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty widely accepted within the scientific community
Speaker 1: that it's unlikely that somebody on Earth was just randomly
Speaker 1: broadcasting at this frequency for seventy two seconds and it
Speaker 1: randomly got reflected directly into the Yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big coincidence, a really really big. The second theory
Speaker 1: is user error. There are some grumbles. They're not super
Speaker 1: super present, but there are some grumbles that Jerry didn't
Speaker 1: have the radio telescope focused quite right, maybe that maybe
Speaker 1: it reflected on itself, or maybe he misinterpreted something. Maybe
Speaker 1: there was a smaller frequency that kind of built on
Speaker 1: itself and he just let everything happen. I don't like
Speaker 1: that theory, obviously. They The kind of proof that people
Speaker 1: use for this is that the very large array, Yes,
Speaker 1: very large array. It's the real picture. Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1: It's far more sensitive radio telescope array. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: don't keep saying, oh, well, the very larger rate didn't
Speaker 1: pick it up. So obviously it was something terrestrial local.
Speaker 1: It wasn't something from outer space. But how can it's
Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Well, I know what it is, but
Speaker 1: how can they say that the very large rate was
Speaker 1: pointed at that precise spot. They can't at that time.
Speaker 1: They can't. They absolutely can't. That's yeah, that's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It is a very large rate. Did I mention that
Speaker 1: it's very large? But I don't know very large. It's
Speaker 1: very large. Yeah, So I think that just kind of
Speaker 1: crumbles to pieces. Well, yeah, that's not I think it's
Speaker 1: a bad theory. So the third very bad theory. The
Speaker 1: third theory is something of extraterrestrial origins, kind of kind
Speaker 1: of not intelligent extraterrestrial. You were talking about maybe like
Speaker 1: a lighthouse speaking sort of effect, that it would be
Speaker 1: something that was out broadcasting or reflecting and kind of
Speaker 1: a lighthouse like quasar effect sort of. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: just it's it is possible. It's just some sort of
Speaker 1: natural origin for the whole thing. It is possible. I
Speaker 1: just feel like if it wasn't natural phenomenal, we would
Speaker 1: have seen it probably again, particularly when we came back
Speaker 1: around you know, or if the very large array focused
Speaker 1: at that spot, you would kind of see something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that if let's just presume that
Speaker 1: it's a quas a something throwing something out on that frequency,
Speaker 1: and it's reflecting off some giant asteroid outside of our
Speaker 1: solar system, or off a plant or something, and those
Speaker 1: things are still bodies in motion, well, then it stands
Speaker 1: to reason that the essentially the beam that it's shooting
Speaker 1: is going to continue to drift, as you were saying,
Speaker 1: in the lighthouse effect, and so it would drift past
Speaker 1: where we were in our orbital track, so then we
Speaker 1: wouldn't pick it up. But of course when we come
Speaker 1: back a year later to that same spot, everything's not
Speaker 1: all in the exact same spot because nothing everything in
Speaker 1: space doesn't move according to us, so it doesn't. I
Speaker 1: can see where it would be potentially naturally occurring. That
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. Yeah, that's that's fair. I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought of it that way. Occurrences. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's not fun though, that's not that's not a fun theory.
Speaker 1: The fourth theory is something seriously extraterrestrial, like intelligent extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: Of course, I love this theory. Of course you do,
Speaker 1: because I am. I love aliens. I think so some
Speaker 1: intelligent life on the on a planet in the Sagittarius system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: strong continuous radio wave, pulsive energy, and a bandwidth they
Speaker 1: knew other intelligent life forces in the universe would understand. Uh.
Speaker 1: It would require some seriously advanced civilization. It would have
Speaker 1: required scientists estimate a two point to gigawatt transmitter. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the most powerful transmitter we have, you know,
Speaker 1: I really don't know either. How many giga watts was
Speaker 1: it in Back to the Future that that operated the
Speaker 1: DeLorean and made it go in time. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was time. I just know that this is like,
Speaker 1: sway far in our future. It's nothing that we have.
Speaker 1: I think we're still in Like that's the level of
Speaker 1: lightning that that kind of scale of power you talking about.
Speaker 1: Get my I have no idea science. I'm taking this
Speaker 1: again from Back to the Future, but life. I don't know.
Speaker 1: All I know is that's seriously powerful. Uh, and that's
Speaker 1: something that we don't have developed. I think that some
Speaker 1: of the implications of this theory could potentially be pretty haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's the potential for it to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just saying, hey, what's going on, we're here, you
Speaker 1: guys are there, let's talk. But that seems really unlikely,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Well, here's the the thing. If they're but
Speaker 1: they really are intelligent beings, then the smartest thing you
Speaker 1: can do is laylow and not advertise your presence. I
Speaker 1: personally think that, you know, the aliens, if we ever
Speaker 1: meet them, it might be a wonderful experience, but more
Speaker 1: likely they're gonna come here and murder us and take
Speaker 1: our planet from us. And I'm serious about this, I'm
Speaker 1: not just joking. Uh, And so I think any intelligence
Speaker 1: life form would actually not go out of its way
Speaker 1: to advertise his presence. That should include us too. I
Speaker 1: don't think we should be sending out advertisements to hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're here. Here, we got a really cool planet with
Speaker 1: lots of water, yeah, in a really cool atmosphere. You know,
Speaker 1: the kind of signals that we send out are are
Speaker 1: really indicative of a race who's just trying to say, hey, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we send physical things out, we send radio
Speaker 1: waves out, but they're like pulses and they're like meant
Speaker 1: to be messages and they're kind of weak, and they're
Speaker 1: pretty weak. There were definitely in our infancy of that, right,
Speaker 1: they're also meant to be sent to somebody who could
Speaker 1: get to us, like right now, no warp over to
Speaker 1: us and eat us and take our planets all those things.
Speaker 1: The thing that strikes me is the like almost urgency
Speaker 1: that seems to go with a signal that this implies. Right,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a s O S stress signal. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't an s O S. I mean, hello,
Speaker 1: if their intelligent aliens seeing us no more, and obviously
Speaker 1: they would know, they would know our language and our
Speaker 1: weird codes, you know, it actually might be like a
Speaker 1: really really slow s OS. So in a few years
Speaker 1: we'll get them, we'll get the next character. So it's like,
Speaker 1: so we got the first and waiting for the other ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys start to move with their own pace. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The you know the thing is that ut so the
Speaker 1: place that they think it came from in space is
Speaker 1: uh two light years away, which means it took two
Speaker 1: d and twenty years to get to us, which is
Speaker 1: kind of sad because there's nothing we could have done
Speaker 1: about that, right Ever, I mean not that like we
Speaker 1: could if it was an S O S and if
Speaker 1: we were the closest people to it, intelligent life that
Speaker 1: was evolved to even receive the signal not even be
Speaker 1: able to do anything about it. That's so sad, it is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of sad. I don't think it was a
Speaker 1: distress signal because obviously any intelligent alien would would perceive
Speaker 1: the futility of the whole thing, because it's not going
Speaker 1: to get anywhere where to somebody that can help you,
Speaker 1: and you know, anytime soon, it's gonna be years number
Speaker 1: one and number two. It's not obviously distress signal. What
Speaker 1: I think it was is I think that it was
Speaker 1: probably some alien race self destructing. They probably had a
Speaker 1: major cataclysmic war, and that was just one artifact of
Speaker 1: all the electromaticnetic radiation that was given off when they
Speaker 1: were dropping nukes or you know, yeah, I mean so,
Speaker 1: so they were busially like nuking the hell out of
Speaker 1: each other, and probably energy was going out at all
Speaker 1: kinds of different frequencies on the electro magnetic spectrum, but
Speaker 1: this particular radio telescope was only tuned to this one
Speaker 1: particular frequency. So the this this moment in time this like,
Speaker 1: you know, a minute and a half, two minutes, whatever
Speaker 1: it was that this alien planet was being evaporated by
Speaker 1: their their cataclysmic world war was recorded by the by
Speaker 1: the radio telescope because it was the only instrument that
Speaker 1: was looking in that particular spot in the sky at
Speaker 1: that time. So that's that's one theory. I have another
Speaker 1: theory ready to hear It was cabra. Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: uh uh. Well, as you know, these guys are these
Speaker 1: seaty scientists are They're they're kind of a they're kind
Speaker 1: of a fun love and bunch and they and they
Speaker 1: really love practical jokes. So another way you can replicate
Speaker 1: this whole signal would be to actually walk out onto
Speaker 1: that field with a radio transmitter portable radio transmitter tune
Speaker 1: to mega hurts and just basically set it down, start
Speaker 1: at volume zero, and just crank the amplitude up very
Speaker 1: very very very slowly for thirty six seconds and then
Speaker 1: crank it slowly back down and then make Jerry look
Speaker 1: like a boom and then yeah, well and that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's like knowing, snicker snicker, that Jerry is
Speaker 1: going to see this on the readout and go nuts over.
Speaker 1: I feel that's unlikely. But you've done a perfect segue
Speaker 1: into the next bit of theories, which are the crackpot theories.
Speaker 1: All right, So there's two of these. One is you
Speaker 1: can totally hear the English in there if you manipulate
Speaker 1: the hell out of There are a lot of videos
Speaker 1: on YouTube that are like, ah, you can hear the English.
Speaker 1: You can hear the messages is in these things if
Speaker 1: all you do is alter it and slow it down,
Speaker 1: then speed it up again, and mess with the frequencies
Speaker 1: and do this and do that and that, pick up
Speaker 1: your phone and you know, dial somebody, and then yeah
Speaker 1: on the other end. Yeah, So I would like to
Speaker 1: make you guys listen to one right now. Did you
Speaker 1: hear it? Did you hear the English? I heard that.
Speaker 1: It sound like the devil to me. I did hear
Speaker 1: what could potentially be voices in radio static? I will
Speaker 1: admit that ostensibly it says people of Washington Security of
Speaker 1: October ten sixty one. This is the one. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense than a radio frequency, a
Speaker 1: lot more sense. The other thing. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to I'm gonna chin up one of those and
Speaker 1: put it on YouTube and it's just gonna be like
Speaker 1: a YouTube song or something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but something. The other thing that people kind of talk
Speaker 1: about is that, oh, it's code. It's obviously code. I
Speaker 1: saw one website where somebody said, oh, it's a sick code,
Speaker 1: which is like a yeah, yeah, ask you sorry. So
Speaker 1: it like translates to numbers or letters or something that's
Speaker 1: total bunk, and you know it's Russian code. It's the Russians,
Speaker 1: because it's always the Russians, always. But that brings us
Speaker 1: to the end of our theories. Actually, I did want
Speaker 1: to I wanted to bring up something that I found
Speaker 1: very funny that I saw in the reading totally I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this. It was
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten. We shot a radio signal
Speaker 1: back to gracefully gloss over that. Okay, I have I
Speaker 1: have a serious no, no, no. They said it was
Speaker 1: a ten Twitter Twitter messages. Twitter messages they shot Twitter
Speaker 1: messages about in the space. I heard about that, But
Speaker 1: did they shoot them to that particular spot where using Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh I did not hear. Okay, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back to Joe's they're gonna come and eat our heads.
Speaker 1: I think they might we just put ourselves on the menu.
Speaker 1: Either that or we just pointed ourselves out in the
Speaker 1: galactic theater as the idiots, Backwood idiots, because how are
Speaker 1: you do in? I feel like it's also so insensitive, right,
Speaker 1: like they blasted us something I'm sure like really meaningful.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Let's just like let's go with that theory, right,
Speaker 1: it was probably really meaningful. They put a lot of
Speaker 1: work into making it, like getting it to us, not
Speaker 1: maybe not specifically us, but out into the We're like, cool,
Speaker 1: let's tweet at them. Actually, you don't know that that
Speaker 1: might have been their equivalent of Twitter. Two. That's true.
Speaker 1: It could have been I'm gonna go to the office
Speaker 1: entire Facebook page and I'm just gonna send him a
Speaker 1: message to be way faster. Yeah, totally. Great thing about
Speaker 1: it is it's like the thing about it sending tantous
Speaker 1: and Twitter messages is it would be incomprehensible. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a decipherable message. That's my problem.
Speaker 1: People abbreviate everything. Yeah, so they might they might just
Speaker 1: conclude that it's just space noise and which is good
Speaker 1: that we're here. I mean, that's that's preferable. So, wow,
Speaker 1: what theories do you guys like? I'm like my theory.
Speaker 1: I think it was a practical joke. Yeah, practical joke.
Speaker 1: I really like his theory. Practical joke. One. I like it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go with that. I personally, I
Speaker 1: do think that it was potentially a reflection not from
Speaker 1: necessarily from Earth, but some kind of frequency reflection and
Speaker 1: maybe there was, like I think we talked about maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of multiple signals hitting and so it
Speaker 1: the frequency is it what it really is? So I
Speaker 1: think that to me seems the most plausible, especially since
Speaker 1: it's never been reproduced. Well, I obviously alien theory, you do.
Speaker 1: I know, it's shocking. I know. Um. So, I guess
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Speaker 1: if you have any information for us, if you are
Speaker 1: the alien that sent out this signal, if you're the
Speaker 1: guy that actually walked out into that food with that
Speaker 1: radio transmitter, I want to hear from now. I just
Speaker 1: feel like Joe, he would have come forward by now. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you can send us an email at Thinking Sideway Podcast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. We have some listener mail this week,
Speaker 1: Is that true? We do? Indeed? Well, we got an
Speaker 1: email that I really liked and I wanted to read.
Speaker 1: Uh And the email is from Pat and she wrote, Hi,
Speaker 1: longtime listener, first time emailer. I listened to you guys
Speaker 1: as a clean of family practice clinic. I'm a janitor,
Speaker 1: or rather, as I like to say, I'm a podcast
Speaker 1: listener who happens to clean and she listens earning a
Speaker 1: bit of coinage while learning. I think that's a good
Speaker 1: way to think. Yeah. Uh. She was listening to The
Speaker 1: Hagley Woods Mystery recently and that prompted her to think
Speaker 1: about a story that she'd read before, and she sent
Speaker 1: us a little bit of the story. And it's from
Speaker 1: Every Root and Anchor, Wisconsin's famous and historic Trees by
Speaker 1: Bruce R. Allison, and it's it was really it was
Speaker 1: interesting because it's a story that is about like the
Speaker 1: Hagley Woods. There was somebody in a tree, in a tree,
Speaker 1: but it seems like it was because they couldn't sauce her.
Speaker 1: It seemed the way the story it was more for lumber. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then find us corpse inside it and they can't
Speaker 1: they can't cut through it, so it was it was
Speaker 1: really kind of a coincidence. But they're the stories were
Speaker 1: really close together, so it was it was kind of interesting. Yeah, Apparently,
Speaker 1: this dying inside of trees, or dying and being stuffed
Speaker 1: in the trees, it's not as uncommon as was. Unfortunately not.
Speaker 1: I don't like that we live in Oregon now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I look at my neighborhood. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of big old trees. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: Pat had there was a couple other bits of feedback
Speaker 1: in there, and I'm corresponding with Pat a bat so
Speaker 1: I I we totally appreciate the feedback, and I really
Speaker 1: like because that was just a really cool story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally kind of creepy though, Yeah, it's a mistake. It
Speaker 1: just makes you think that every time you walk past
Speaker 1: a big old tree with a whole and it's probably
Speaker 1: a corpse in it, you know, stop it. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: Thanks Pat, And before I forget, thanks Tom for the
Speaker 1: suggestion of the wow signal? Is this a listener suggestion? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that because I've been talking about it
Speaker 1: for a little while. Yeah, but the listener suggestion always
Speaker 1: seals the deal for me. Tom, Tom, are you the
Speaker 1: guy with the radio transmitter on? Tom tell us you
Speaker 1: can tell, you won't tell? Yeah, we'll keep your identity
Speaker 1: of secret. Anyways, Thanks for solving a mystery with us,
Speaker 1: all right, See everybody. Bye. By