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Speaker 1: Hi there, I'm taking a page from Steve's book today

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve, and we three, with our powers combined, are

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Speaker 1: thinking sideways. Oh. I thought we'd planned this before. No,

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Speaker 1: With the number of mysteries Joseph's Joe is so far,

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Speaker 1: Joe thinks, so Steve doesn't. I say, maybe, Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: at least come up with a plausible theory. Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Always say that, Um, but I don't want to start

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Speaker 1: It's officially called the Ohio State University Radio Observatory. It

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Speaker 1: of the implications of this theory could potentially be pretty haunted. Yeah,

426
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Speaker 1: I mean there's the potential for it to be like, yeah,

427
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: they're just saying, hey, what's going on, we're here, you

428
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: guys are there, let's talk. But that seems really unlikely,

429
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Well, here's the the thing. If they're but

430
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: they really are intelligent beings, then the smartest thing you

431
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: can do is laylow and not advertise your presence. I

432
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: personally think that, you know, the aliens, if we ever

433
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: meet them, it might be a wonderful experience, but more

434
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: likely they're gonna come here and murder us and take

435
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: our planet from us. And I'm serious about this, I'm

436
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: not just joking. Uh, And so I think any intelligence

437
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: life form would actually not go out of its way

438
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: to advertise his presence. That should include us too. I

439
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: don't think we should be sending out advertisements to hey, guys,

440
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: we're here. Here, we got a really cool planet with

441
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: lots of water, yeah, in a really cool atmosphere. You know,

442
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: the kind of signals that we send out are are

443
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: really indicative of a race who's just trying to say, hey, right,

444
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, we send physical things out, we send radio

445
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: waves out, but they're like pulses and they're like meant

446
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: to be messages and they're kind of weak, and they're

447
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: pretty weak. There were definitely in our infancy of that, right,

448
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: they're also meant to be sent to somebody who could

449
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: get to us, like right now, no warp over to

450
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: us and eat us and take our planets all those things.

451
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: The thing that strikes me is the like almost urgency

452
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: that seems to go with a signal that this implies. Right,

453
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like a s O S stress signal. Well, yeah,

454
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: but it wasn't an s O S. I mean, hello,

455
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: if their intelligent aliens seeing us no more, and obviously

456
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: they would know, they would know our language and our

457
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: weird codes, you know, it actually might be like a

458
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: really really slow s OS. So in a few years

459
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: we'll get them, we'll get the next character. So it's like,

460
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: so we got the first and waiting for the other ones. Yeah,

461
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: these guys start to move with their own pace. Yeah.

462
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: The you know the thing is that ut so the

463
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: place that they think it came from in space is

464
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: uh two light years away, which means it took two

465
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: d and twenty years to get to us, which is

466
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of sad because there's nothing we could have done

467
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: about that, right Ever, I mean not that like we

468
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: could if it was an S O S and if

469
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: we were the closest people to it, intelligent life that

470
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: was evolved to even receive the signal not even be

471
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: able to do anything about it. That's so sad, it is.

472
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of sad. I don't think it was a

473
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: distress signal because obviously any intelligent alien would would perceive

474
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the futility of the whole thing, because it's not going

475
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: to get anywhere where to somebody that can help you,

476
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: and you know, anytime soon, it's gonna be years number

477
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: one and number two. It's not obviously distress signal. What

478
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it was is I think that it was

479
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: probably some alien race self destructing. They probably had a

480
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: major cataclysmic war, and that was just one artifact of

481
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: all the electromaticnetic radiation that was given off when they

482
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: were dropping nukes or you know, yeah, I mean so,

483
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: so they were busially like nuking the hell out of

484
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: each other, and probably energy was going out at all

485
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: kinds of different frequencies on the electro magnetic spectrum, but

486
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: this particular radio telescope was only tuned to this one

487
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: particular frequency. So the this this moment in time this like,

488
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, a minute and a half, two minutes, whatever

489
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: it was that this alien planet was being evaporated by

490
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: their their cataclysmic world war was recorded by the by

491
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the radio telescope because it was the only instrument that

492
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: was looking in that particular spot in the sky at

493
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: that time. So that's that's one theory. I have another

494
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: theory ready to hear It was cabra. Oh my god, yes,

495
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: uh uh. Well, as you know, these guys are these

496
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: seaty scientists are They're they're kind of a they're kind

497
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: of a fun love and bunch and they and they

498
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: really love practical jokes. So another way you can replicate

499
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: this whole signal would be to actually walk out onto

500
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: that field with a radio transmitter portable radio transmitter tune

501
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: to mega hurts and just basically set it down, start

502
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: at volume zero, and just crank the amplitude up very

503
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: very very very slowly for thirty six seconds and then

504
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: crank it slowly back down and then make Jerry look

505
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like a boom and then yeah, well and that's the

506
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's like knowing, snicker snicker, that Jerry is

507
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: going to see this on the readout and go nuts over.

508
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I feel that's unlikely. But you've done a perfect segue

509
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: into the next bit of theories, which are the crackpot theories.

510
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: All right, So there's two of these. One is you

511
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: can totally hear the English in there if you manipulate

512
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: the hell out of There are a lot of videos

513
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: on YouTube that are like, ah, you can hear the English.

514
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: You can hear the messages is in these things if

515
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: all you do is alter it and slow it down,

516
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: then speed it up again, and mess with the frequencies

517
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: and do this and do that and that, pick up

518
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: your phone and you know, dial somebody, and then yeah

519
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: on the other end. Yeah, So I would like to

520
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: make you guys listen to one right now. Did you

521
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: hear it? Did you hear the English? I heard that.

522
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: It sound like the devil to me. I did hear

523
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: what could potentially be voices in radio static? I will

524
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: admit that ostensibly it says people of Washington Security of

525
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: October ten sixty one. This is the one. Yeah, that

526
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense than a radio frequency, a

527
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: lot more sense. The other thing. You know, I'm gonna

528
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: have to I'm gonna chin up one of those and

529
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: put it on YouTube and it's just gonna be like

530
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: a YouTube song or something like that. I don't know,

531
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: but something. The other thing that people kind of talk

532
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: about is that, oh, it's code. It's obviously code. I

533
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: saw one website where somebody said, oh, it's a sick code,

534
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: which is like a yeah, yeah, ask you sorry. So

535
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: it like translates to numbers or letters or something that's

536
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: total bunk, and you know it's Russian code. It's the Russians,

537
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: because it's always the Russians, always. But that brings us

538
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: to the end of our theories. Actually, I did want

539
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: to I wanted to bring up something that I found

540
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: very funny that I saw in the reading totally I think.

541
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw this. It was

542
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten. We shot a radio signal

543
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: back to gracefully gloss over that. Okay, I have I

544
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: have a serious no, no, no. They said it was

545
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: a ten Twitter Twitter messages. Twitter messages they shot Twitter

546
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: messages about in the space. I heard about that, But

547
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: did they shoot them to that particular spot where using Yes,

548
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh I did not hear. Okay, So I'm going to

549
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: go back to Joe's they're gonna come and eat our heads.

550
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: I think they might we just put ourselves on the menu.

551
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Either that or we just pointed ourselves out in the

552
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: galactic theater as the idiots, Backwood idiots, because how are

553
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: you do in? I feel like it's also so insensitive, right,

554
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: like they blasted us something I'm sure like really meaningful.

555
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Let's just like let's go with that theory, right,

556
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: it was probably really meaningful. They put a lot of

557
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: work into making it, like getting it to us, not

558
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: maybe not specifically us, but out into the We're like, cool,

559
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: let's tweet at them. Actually, you don't know that that

560
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: might have been their equivalent of Twitter. Two. That's true.

561
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: It could have been I'm gonna go to the office

562
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: entire Facebook page and I'm just gonna send him a

563
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: message to be way faster. Yeah, totally. Great thing about

564
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: it is it's like the thing about it sending tantous

565
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: and Twitter messages is it would be incomprehensible. It's like,

566
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a decipherable message. That's my problem.

567
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: People abbreviate everything. Yeah, so they might they might just

568
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: conclude that it's just space noise and which is good

569
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: that we're here. I mean, that's that's preferable. So, wow,

570
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: what theories do you guys like? I'm like my theory.

571
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: I think it was a practical joke. Yeah, practical joke.

572
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: I really like his theory. Practical joke. One. I like it,

573
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna go with that. I personally, I

574
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: do think that it was potentially a reflection not from

575
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: necessarily from Earth, but some kind of frequency reflection and

576
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: maybe there was, like I think we talked about maybe

577
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of multiple signals hitting and so it

578
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: the frequency is it what it really is? So I

579
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: think that to me seems the most plausible, especially since

580
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: it's never been reproduced. Well, I obviously alien theory, you do.

581
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: I know, it's shocking. I know. Um. So, I guess

582
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: if you want to see the pictures of what the

583
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: big gear looks like, or you want to read any

584
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: of the links or anything like that, all of that

585
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: information is available on our website website, which is Thinking

586
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast dot com. You can also listen to our

587
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: episodes there. Uh, you're probably not though you're probably listening

588
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: on iTunes. Um. If you're listening to us on iTunes,

589
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: we appreciate if you would take the time to leave

590
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Speaker 1: us a comment or a rating, especially a favorable comment.

591
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really care if you have bad

592
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: things to say about us, just telling me so we'll change.

593
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: We can take it criticism, We'll change for you. We swear.

594
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,759
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Speaker 1: want to send us an email, if you have thoughts,

598
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: if you have any information for us, if you are

599
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: the alien that sent out this signal, if you're the

600
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: guy that actually walked out into that food with that

601
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: radio transmitter, I want to hear from now. I just

602
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: feel like Joe, he would have come forward by now. Anyways,

603
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: you can send us an email at Thinking Sideway Podcast

604
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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. We have some listener mail this week,

605
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: Is that true? We do? Indeed? Well, we got an

606
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: email that I really liked and I wanted to read.

607
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: Uh And the email is from Pat and she wrote, Hi,

608
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: longtime listener, first time emailer. I listened to you guys

609
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Speaker 1: as a clean of family practice clinic. I'm a janitor,

610
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: or rather, as I like to say, I'm a podcast

611
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Speaker 1: listener who happens to clean and she listens earning a

612
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: bit of coinage while learning. I think that's a good

613
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: way to think. Yeah. Uh. She was listening to The

614
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: Hagley Woods Mystery recently and that prompted her to think

615
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: about a story that she'd read before, and she sent

616
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: us a little bit of the story. And it's from

617
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Every Root and Anchor, Wisconsin's famous and historic Trees by

618
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Bruce R. Allison, and it's it was really it was

619
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: interesting because it's a story that is about like the

620
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Hagley Woods. There was somebody in a tree, in a tree,

621
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: but it seems like it was because they couldn't sauce her.

622
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: It seemed the way the story it was more for lumber. Yeah,

623
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: and then find us corpse inside it and they can't

624
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: they can't cut through it, so it was it was

625
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: really kind of a coincidence. But they're the stories were

626
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: really close together, so it was it was kind of interesting. Yeah, Apparently,

627
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: this dying inside of trees, or dying and being stuffed

628
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: in the trees, it's not as uncommon as was. Unfortunately not.

629
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't like that we live in Oregon now, Yeah,

630
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: I know, I look at my neighborhood. I got a

631
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of big old trees. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so

632
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Pat had there was a couple other bits of feedback

633
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: in there, and I'm corresponding with Pat a bat so

634
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: I I we totally appreciate the feedback, and I really

635
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: like because that was just a really cool story. Yeah,

636
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: totally kind of creepy though, Yeah, it's a mistake. It

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Speaker 1: just makes you think that every time you walk past

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Speaker 1: a big old tree with a whole and it's probably

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Speaker 1: a corpse in it, you know, stop it. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Pat, And before I forget, thanks Tom for the

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Speaker 1: suggestion of the wow signal? Is this a listener suggestion? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that because I've been talking about it

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Speaker 1: for a little while. Yeah, but the listener suggestion always

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Speaker 1: seals the deal for me. Tom, Tom, are you the

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Speaker 1: guy with the radio transmitter on? Tom tell us you

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Speaker 1: can tell, you won't tell? Yeah, we'll keep your identity

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Speaker 1: of secret. Anyways, Thanks for solving a mystery with us,

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Speaker 1: all right, See everybody. Bye. By