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Speaker 1: Cowboys to one on one edition. Rob Phillips here for

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and today I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: man who talks Packers for a living, but he's got

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Speaker 1: some great insight in the Cowboys new head coach Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's coaching style. He's Robbed Hmobski of ESPN and if

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Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Nation Reporter been covering the Packers for a

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Speaker 1: long time and covering Mike McCarthy for a long time too.

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Speaker 1: How you doing today, Rob? Thanks for having me, you know,

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Speaker 1: in turn of covering the Cowboys right now, I can't

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Speaker 1: think of anybody better to draw on experience in dealing

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Speaker 1: Roads for just one year and then you know, probably

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Speaker 1: five years later, six years later when they had a

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Speaker 1: coaching search again and behold, Mike McCarthy was the guy.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for us, we've because of the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: him very much. Just can you tell us from your

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Speaker 1: that at Starbucks, which is about mile right between his

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Speaker 1: The Green Bay is is an interesting place. It's obviously

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Speaker 1: is is very approachable. He's he is as I've covered

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thanks for joining us today. All Right,

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Speaker 1: have a great year, guys. It's Rob Demoski of ESPN

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Speaker 1: covering the Packers. You can check out his work on

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. Thanks for joining us, guys,