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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Lyle. Just a reminder that I am

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Speaker 1: going on tour to do therapy Gecko live in several

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Speaker 1: cities across the United States, and I would love to

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Speaker 1: see you there. I will be interviewing random folks from

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Speaker 1: the audience up on stage and absolutely anything could happen.

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Speaker 1: It will be very fun, very terrifying, and very geko wee.

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Speaker 1: You can find the link to get tickets in your

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hey, this is Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Hello Kelly, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I'm a little bit well. I just

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Speaker 1: pede and now I feel like an empty vessel and

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Speaker 1: your call. I'm like, I don't know how to explain this,

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Speaker 1: but my pee leaving my body has now given me

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Speaker 1: space to take in your call to replace. I took

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Speaker 1: a little bit out of my bladder to make a

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that makes sense. Well this is a big one,

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Speaker 3: so you'll definitely need space.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it. Let's see what's up. How's uh

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Speaker 1: get us? Kelly?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So me and my sister we were gonna take

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Speaker 3: one of those you know, little DNA test things, and

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Speaker 3: our mom told us not to and we were wondering why,

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Speaker 3: and so about a month later she finally told us

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Speaker 3: it was because our dad that we grew up with

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Speaker 3: so she used a donor to have us.

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Speaker 2: So when we.

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Speaker 3: Finally did the DNA test, we matched with like a

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Speaker 3: it turns out they are siblings and there's like seventy

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Speaker 3: of them. I'm not really sure how to feel about it.

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Speaker 3: They're all in this little Facebook group where they call

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Speaker 3: each other brother and sister.

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Speaker 1: I'm strange, did you now? Let me let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. How long have they been in this Facebook group?

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Speaker 1: Like did you start the group or did you show

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So when I joined the group, there was already about

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Speaker 3: like thirty five people in the group and they were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: welcome our new siblings.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Have you made like any legitimate, meaningful connections or

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Speaker 3: I personally hasn't, but the other ones are like super

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Speaker 4: It a little far.

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Speaker 3: I guess because I already have siblings, so I'm fine

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like a cult sort of, but

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Speaker 1: it's a cult based on being related but not a family.

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Speaker 3: My my husband always called it the little cults, so

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Speaker 1: Interesting, So you have so neither you nor your sister

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Speaker 3: I thought maybe, but then when I got in the group,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They're a little strange, like they want

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Speaker 3: to go on vacations together and like hang out all

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Speaker 1: In the group as well, the guy who the father

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess my dad is in there too.

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Speaker 1: And how does he seem to interact with everyone?

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Speaker 3: He doesn't talk as much. He's kind of quiet. But

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Speaker 1: Man. That is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's so many of them, like seventy.

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Speaker 1: Now did the donor start the group?

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Speaker 3: One other guy, like one of the siblings that started it.

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Speaker 3: His name's like Ryan, because he's always like he's the

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Speaker 1: I'm almost surprised. I don't know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: But just just hearing that the donor is quiet and

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Speaker 3: Yes, but kind of the big issue is so my

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Speaker 3: They're divorced, and my mom told us that we can't

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Speaker 3: So I've been having to keep this a secret.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Why why are you What was your mom's reasoning

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Speaker 3: So my dad, he's he has some angry issues, I

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Speaker 1: Interesting, why do you think she told you if she

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Speaker 3: Because me and my sister we were going to do

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Speaker 1: Okay, And you know, knowing your father, I assume you

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Speaker 1: know him very well. Do you have a good relationship

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's good. He was a little rocky there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's definitely calmed down some. But like even with

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Speaker 3: So I definitely think he would probably be mad knowing

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Speaker 1: He would he might be mad. Yeah, if if if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like you getting with the forming a relationship

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely don't think he would like it, But

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel weird like lying to him.

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Speaker 3: I always think about it every time we talk.

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Speaker 1: Do you really okay? So again, knowing what you know

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Speaker 3: I want to think about it.

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Speaker 2: You probably wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I think I would need to talk to like my

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Speaker 4: Mmm.

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Speaker 1: But but you didn't really find well okay, did you

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Speaker 1: end up you took the test, didn't you?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well then well then, hell, you didn't find out

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, okay, Maybe I'll just do it that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't find out for your mom. You found

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Speaker 1: out about it from the test. That's how you got

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Speaker 1: into this weird Facebook group.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my Facebook cult group.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Just so okay, I'll try it that way.

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Speaker 1: In the back of your minds tell me this. Are

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Speaker 1: even if there was just a little lunch.

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Speaker 3: Probably not, because I live down in North Carolina and

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Speaker 3: don't think I'm going to ever travel up there.

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Speaker 1: What is the name of the group? Can I ask?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Donor six nine.

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Speaker 1: Zero Donor six nine zero Dad's name.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, that's his number?

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Speaker 1: Can you just r But does Come? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to ask you the stupidest question of all

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Speaker 1: the time. Does Come have a number? Or do you

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what they like assigned to him, like

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Speaker 3: in the little database. My mom said she just like

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Speaker 3: slipped through books with different guys in it, and she

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Speaker 1: Ah see that, if I see, that would make me

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Speaker 1: jealous if I was your dad watching my wife, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: flip through books of guys to see which ones come?

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Speaker 1: She wants?

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm I'm sure it did. He was like,

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Speaker 3: he's pretty mad that he couldn't have kids, is what

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Speaker 1: But you know what he did. And I assume you

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that, and you know, good luck

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Speaker 1: to you and uh letting him know that that you know,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that he doesn't blow up too bad

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Speaker 1: Why why hide from it?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: And isn't okaf asked you one last question that my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you wants to know what your.

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Speaker 3: You want to know when you went to Guatemala? What

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Speaker 3: was your favorite food? Because he's from there?

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Speaker 1: Ah fuck? What was my favorite food when I went

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Speaker 1: to Guatemala? Oh? Man, dude, I don't I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: What's what's his favorite food from Guatemala? Maybe we had

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite Guatemalan sew our national people. He likes

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Speaker 3: the pepion their national dish.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: I've asked like fifty different people when I was in

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Speaker 1: really got an answer. And now, okay, when I go back,

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Speaker 1: I'll try that. What was that.

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Speaker 3: It's called pepion. It's like a stew with like chicken

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Speaker 3: and vegetables and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, to answer your question, the best food I had

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Speaker 1: in Guatemala was Natella pancakes from McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, well that does sound pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you guys for calling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Look go on YouTube and look up the the McDonald's

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Speaker 1: they have in Guatemala. It's really nice. It's like in

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Speaker 1: a garden and they have a little statue of Ronald

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Speaker 1: McDonald and legend has it that it comes alive at

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Speaker 1: night and makes pancakes. Hello. Hello, what's going on with you?

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Speaker 4: Ah man?

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Speaker 5: I guess I just kind of wanted like talk to

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Speaker 5: you kind of to get over some awkwardness problems that

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Speaker 5: I have, Like that's costiger about like I have a

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Speaker 5: knack of doing embarrassing ship. That's I can't let I

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Speaker 1: Interesting you say that you have a knack for doing

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Speaker 5: Well, I talk about my real therapist with this sometimes

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Speaker 1: because because you get a hit. Yeah, okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 5: Really terrible tattoos on my body, I guess. So that's

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Speaker 5: another thing that I like to do, right, But in

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Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, okay, so you you do these impulsive behaviors

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, for listen, First of all, always advocate for

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Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, you have you're doing all and you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it might help, like to actually try and like

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Speaker 1: So think a little bit more than day trips. Think

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Speaker 1: But do you get what I'm saying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, cool, I get it, man, Okay, cool, I'm

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, stay, stay stay being thinking about that because

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Speaker 5: I got you, man, before we go, Uh, beware that

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Speaker 4: On your hair. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Smart smart. Thanks for calling Danny.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a good one.

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Speaker 1: Then you too, that saying. I didn't want to like,

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Speaker 5: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am?

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Speaker 4: I am?

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Speaker 2: You know in this moment, I am doing swell?

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Tell me more about this moment?

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Speaker 2: This moment I am. I am delving into a coloring

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, just felt like one of those days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what inspired you to do a coloring page book?

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Speaker 1: Actually not and it's actually kind of a I'm inspired

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been.

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Speaker 2: I've been. I've been trying to do that same thing lately.

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Speaker 2: wast deals, just maybe you know, sit with yourself for

448
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: a little while, you know.

449
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: So, Evan, is there anything in particular that you called

450
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: in to talk about?

451
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: In fact, Dick, there is I am in a predicament

452
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: of sorts.

453
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 4: I am.

454
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: I have feelings for my best friend who is a man,

455
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: and that is a new thing on my end as

456
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: of recent uh me rolling around to that idea. And

457
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: he has a girlfriend currently and I have in fact

458
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: expressed this to him, but uh and and I was

459
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 2: told that there was reciprocation in that feeling m hm.

460
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: And and we are we are set to move in

461
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: together during the next six months. Uh and his his

462
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: girlfriend has moved out of state for school, and that

463
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. That situation has just caused some inner turmoil.

464
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: I suppose maybe turmoil is not the right word, but

465
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: it's caused. It's caused some inner some inner movement, I guess,

466
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: and in terms of how kind of where the lines

467
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: are drawn and what is safe to talk about in

468
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: regard to that with him, and kind of where this

469
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: goes when we do move in.

470
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Yes, you have feelings

471
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: for your friend. Your friend has feelings for you, but

472
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: he's got a girlfriend. You and your friend are about

473
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: to move in together just as roommates, because you had

474
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: where was the were you planning to move in together?

475
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Before you even was kind of brought these feelings to light.

476
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, okay.

477
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: And when you told your friend you have feelings for him,

478
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: did he tell you that he was planning to break

479
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: up with his girlfriend and be with you?

480
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: No? No, okay?

481
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's kind of another thing, is I don't know.

482
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I really enjoy their relationship and I enjoy being around them.

483
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a sense of jealousy or envy

484
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: or anything of the sort. When you know we're all

485
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: in a bunch and that that in itself has its

486
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: own I don't know its own feel to it, because

487
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: it's a it's a situation where I'm I'm not hoping

488
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: that a beautiful relationship ends for my own personal gain,

489
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: because that's weird and somewhat I don't know. I was

490
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: gonna say evil, but I don't know. It's it's it's

491
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: an odd situation.

492
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: You know.

493
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't say evil either, but I would say

494
00:30:49,840 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: unproductive because I don't want you, you know, bonding, and

495
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: and I don't want you waiting around for your friend

496
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: to come around to you, because I mean, you know, look,

497
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: take the the the love triangle melodrama out of all this, right,

498
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's what that's That's what I would say

499
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: to anyone who likes anyone who who who may be

500
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: giving them unclear signals of how they feel back. Although

501
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: it's wit to me the weirdest thing that you're dealing

502
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: with here is you know, it'd be one thing if

503
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: you like somebody they they didn't like you back, or

504
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: they did and it was complicated or whatever. You liked them,

505
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: couldn't be with them. It'd be one thing if it

506
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: was just a random person. But you're about to move

507
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: in with this guy. That is the piece of the

508
00:31:53,160 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: puzzle that makes this the most difficult, because I see

509
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: that making it very difficult to move on from this situation.

510
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: But also that was.

511
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: Go ahead, please you.

512
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the That was the initial reason why

513
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: I told him. It was because it was kind of

514
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, we knew that that was coming up,

515
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: so I was like, we should probably address that.

516
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: And then right, m hmm.

517
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know you that well, but and

518
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the how your feelings work, but you

519
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: seem like, actually, you know, a very mature guy who

520
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: is able to have a handle on his feelings. And

521
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: I you know, if you believe that you can live

522
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: with this guy, be around him and his girlfriend, end

523
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and not be encumbered with the your feelings

524
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: to a point where it's negatively affecting you. Then I

525
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: think that's nice and I but if you can't, I

526
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything wrong with doing something about that

527
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: by attempting to distance yourself from the relationship. How you

528
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: do that exactly if you signed a lease is an

529
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: interesting question.

530
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's I don't know. That's kind of the worry.

531
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: That's kind of the main worry I have.

532
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: I suppose is.

533
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: Moving I know that.

534
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.

535
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: It's kind of obvious with when you have feelings for people,

536
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: but when you are, when I'm around him, those feelings

537
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: are exemplified and magnet fine because it's you know, you're

538
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: spending time together. But yeah, of course, the whole it's

539
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: the whole deal of I don't I don't know what

540
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: it will be like in terms of the how the

541
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: feelings are going when we.

542
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 4: Do move in together.

543
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: If it's going to be a thing where I'm still

544
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, keeping my cool mostly in everything, or it's

545
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: going to be a thing where it's I don't know,

546
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: kind of a constant reminder thing of like, oh, man.

547
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: Have you signed Elise yet?

548
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: We have not know?

549
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: Oh you haven't signed a Lase yet?

550
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: No? No?

551
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, why do you want to move in with

552
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: this guy?

553
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: Well? We, I don't know.

554
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: We've been friends for a long time and it's I

555
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: don't know. He's kind of one of the in this

556
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: day and age with how money goes. You know, renting

557
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: a place by yourself can be pretty it can get

558
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: you pretty tight on on money.

559
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Well sure, but I mean come on, you can you

560
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: you know you can find a roommate anywhere.

561
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

562
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess we've always kind of known that

563
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: in terms of productivity and comfortability with a roommate that

564
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: we would be best matched. M everything.

565
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so in making your decision and thinking about

566
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the situation of living with him, uh, is it causing

567
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: you stress to think about?

568
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: I would say so, yeah, And I don't really know

569
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: how or if that is something I should express to him.

570
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, m you know, Evan, I don't love expressly

571
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: telling people what I think they should do. But you know,

572
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you about this, uh, you know,

573
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: as if you were just my buddy coming to me

574
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: about this, and I feel like, I don't feel like

575
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: you should do it. Man, I don't think you should

576
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: move in with this guy. If this is a thing

577
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: that's up in the air, I think that, I mean,

578
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: fuck you don't. You don't have to stop being friends

579
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: with the dude, right, You don't have to never go

580
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: over there. You don't have to cut off complete contact unless,

581
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: if you know, unless if you like him so much

582
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: and it's that bad and it's causing that much anguish,

583
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: in which case it would be helpful to you to do.

584
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: But I it just from everything you've told us, it

585
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a good idea to move in with

586
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: this guy.

587
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: Can I I guess, from from your view, what are

588
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 2: the biggest cons out of the pros and cons list

589
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: that you would say? Like, what the what would you

590
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: say would be the negatives of moving in?

591
00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 4: Well?

592
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: Just you know, look, I mean, if you have feelings

593
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: for this guy, but you know it's not going to

594
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: work out, and you don't want to wait around for

595
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: it to work out, And I just hate the idea

596
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: that you're expending any energy against against that that you

597
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: could be using on an infinite number of other things

598
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: that you that that could be better benefiting your life.

599
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: That's the the thesis behind why I think you should

600
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: not do that.

601
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Well, gek I, I appreciate you telling you that. I'm

602
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: talking to me a real home, like a real get go.

603
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Evan, thanks for you know, being open

604
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: with us about this stuff. You seem like a dude

605
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: with a good head on his shoulders, so I'm really

606
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: not that worried about you.

607
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

608
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the

609
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?

610
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: Man, I don't know.

611
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Beck is out here doing real magic, real people.

612
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for calling Evan.

613
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, good day.

614
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: It's so. I was relieved to hear him say that

615
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: he didn't sign the lease because we've gotten stuff on

616
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: here before where people are in uh and I just

617
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: in my personal life, I've anecdotally heard this stuff where

618
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: like you get interpersonal conflicts between people that are made

619
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: about a thousand times worse by having signed a fucking

620
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: lease that physically traps people together who are experiencing conflict,

621
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: and Evan has has narrowly escaped that situation. I was

622
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: relieved to hear he didn't sign a lease and to me,

623
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: it would be a tragic mistake for him to go

624
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: and sign a lease and then realize, oh, actually, every

625
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: day seeing this guy who I I like with his

626
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend is actually hurting me a lot. But what the

627
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: fuck am I going to do? I'm not going to

628
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: be able to move out. I'm so close to it.

629
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: It just seems like it would be a terrible mistake. Hello. Hello, Hi,

630
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: wo Yeah is this Who is this?

631
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: Jimmy?

632
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: You sound like a like a nice fella.

633
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 4: I'm a pretty nice guy. Okay, I got pretty interesting

634
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: story to tell you today.

635
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: What's up? Man?

636
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: So? Uh? I live a kind of a wildlife and

637
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess I'm built different. But I

638
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 4: am thirty minutes away from a cult.

639
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: You are, what with a cult?

640
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: I'm thirty minutes away from joining occult.

641
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes away from joining a cult? Yes, sir, okay,

642
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: what is this cult?

643
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's kind of hard to join a cult.

644
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: It took me a while to find a cult that

645
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: would that I could contact. When you're looking for a

646
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: cult to join, you run into a lot of don't

647
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: join a cult, And I mean, I'm sure none of

648
00:40:51,320 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 4: these people are viewers of your show, but i'd rather

649
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: or not disclosed it's a cult. Notably it is a cult,

650
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 4: but I would say it's kind of mid.

651
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Jimmy, let's okay, all right, let's let's start here.

652
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Let's start here. You says you're thirty three years old. Yes,

653
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: why do you want to join a cult?

654
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: I've just kind of been through some stuff. I know

655
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: you're not a real therapist, so I don't want to

656
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: get you down or or anything. I don't want to

657
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: say too much, but I don't know. Like I said,

658
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: I've lived a wildlife and I used to do a

659
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: want drugs and I'm done with that, so I think

660
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: I'll try a cult.

661
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you used to do a lot of drugs, and

662
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: now you are done doing drugs. So instead of doing drugs,

663
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: you were going to join a cult.

664
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: That's about rock.

665
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of cult are you looking to join?

666
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: Is this a religious thing? Is this a philosophy thing?

667
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: Is it a lifestyle thing? Is a community thing? What

668
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: are you looking for and what are you hoping to

669
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: get out of it?

670
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of know a little bit about

671
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: it because I've been talking to them all day long. Really,

672
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: I just wanted a community. I kind of wanted to

673
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 4: just I don't know. They can like go off planet,

674
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't have the money to fly

675
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: to say, so that's what I'm.

676
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Doing, all right. You're looking to like a band in

677
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: your life and start a new.

678
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: I what.

679
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: To abandon your life and start new? Yes, okay, it's

680
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: a natural impulse. I don't know if it's a natural impulse,

681
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: but it's an impulse. It's an understandable impulse. That's what

682
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: I meant to say. I've fantasized about that all the time,

683
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: all the time. So you want to abandon the life

684
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: that you're currently living and try something new. This sounds

685
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: like it's a very hail merry type of thing, like, well,

686
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: fuck it, I love the crazy life. I don't have

687
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: anything else to do. Let's do this.

688
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: I've abandoned my life several different ways, and honestly, this

689
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 4: is not such a bad way to do it. I

690
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 4: don't think.

691
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: You say you've abandoned your life in other ways.

692
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, with drugs and stuff like that.

693
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any friends.

694
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: Online friends? Family?

695
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: Online friends? Okay, give your family. Do you have family?

696
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have family. I think my brother's watching it.

697
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: Okay, And do you are you like in touch with

698
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: your parents?

699
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, they're They're okay with it. They know. I

700
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 4: was telling the screener that, uh, you might be besides

701
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: my mom when.

702
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: I Jimmy there, Yeah, I'm here. You said something something

703
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: besides me. Yeah, you said something about your mom. Uh.

704
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna call her before I go in the gates.

705
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: But other than that, you're probably the last person I'll

706
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: talk to you.

707
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm the last person you talked to before you you'll

708
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: go into the gates.

709
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

710
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: What are these gates?

711
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: I guess it's an orchard. I'm not really sure.

712
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: Now when you say I'm the last person you'll talk to,

713
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: are you saying that in this place they don't allow

714
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you to have a phone or internet.

715
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: No. Yeah, they're going to take everything when I get.

716
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: There, and they don't allow you to have any contact

717
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: with the outside world.

718
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 4: No. They said there's a trial period where I can leave.

719
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh that means okay, Does that mean that once the

720
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: trial period ends you cannot leave.

721
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: Once I accept my new name, they're going to rename me.

722
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: They're going to rename you.

723
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: This is definitely it's definitely the craziest thing I've ever done.

724
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: Why are they what are they gonna name you? Do

725
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: you have any idea?

726
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a Hebrew name. I don't know.

727
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: Is this a Jewish cults?

728
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 4: Uh? It's a combination Christianity, Herb and Judaism.

729
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm not okay.

730
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 4: That is definitely not a denomination. All right.

731
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: It's a combination of Christianity and Judaism.

732
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm walking up and down a dirt road right now.

733
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: You're walking up at dirt road right now, are there?

734
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

735
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Can hear me?

736
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? It keeps connected into my truck.

737
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, where are you leaving your your truck? Are

738
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: you just abandoning your truck?

739
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 4: So? Have you ever seen those pictures of like dusty

740
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: vehicles sitting outside of a colt?

741
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I have never seen pictures of dusty vehicles sitting outside

742
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: of a colt.

743
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's I guess if they convinced me to stay,

744
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna my truck will be there.

745
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: What does your brother think about this?

746
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: I don't know. My family's kind of supportive of it.

747
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 4: I don't think they really realize what I'm getting into.

748
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 4: But I also think they believe that nobody's gonna keep

749
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: me there if I don't want to be there.

750
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy, do you do you know what you're getting into?

751
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been talking to them all day. I've done

752
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: a bunch of research on them. Like I said, they're

753
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 4: kind of mid like they've only been raided by the FBI.

754
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: Want now it was a long time ago. I guess

755
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: they have uh children they don't tell anybody about, and

756
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: they name them themselves. And I don't know, Jimmy not.

757
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: You're not fucking with me right now, are you? You're

758
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: really no gates of a place, not at all. Why

759
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: were they raided by the FBI.

760
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 6: To the U when the research I did was that

761
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 6: they had they were having children at the community and

762
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 6: not telling anybody.

763
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: So they pulled the kids out and gave them government names,

764
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I guess gave them back. From

765
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: what I understand, seems like a good place. But I

766
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 4: don't think anybody there knows who the president is? Is that

767
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: like this?

768
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: The main thing that's desirable to you is to exist

769
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: off the grid and not know who the president is

770
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: and be done with the outside world and just submit

771
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: yourself to something greater than you.

772
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: I want to see what it's all about, you know,

773
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 4: because you always hear about everybody that escapes and talks

774
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: a bunch of crap. But there's a lot of people

775
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 4: that stay.

776
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: That, you know what, That is a good point. There's

777
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people that stay, and why do they stay.

778
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: They wouldn't stay if it wasn't if they weren't getting

779
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: something mad of it. Yeah, so who knows, you Maybe

780
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: you will get something out of this experience. I'm not

781
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: who am I to say that you want.

782
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: If I you know, I was thinking, if I escape,

783
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 4: maybe I'll make a YouTube video where I don't know,

784
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: it seems like a good idea to like try it

785
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: so you don't have to. And maybe I could just

786
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: join a couple of cults and let everybody know what

787
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: they're a lot, Jimmy.

788
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: I respect the way you live your life. I really do.

789
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: It seems like you just kind of I go with

790
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: the flow. I guess I don't. I don't know how

791
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: to really describe, but I'm observing to be your lifestyle philosophy.

792
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: But I in when faced with the knowledge that all

793
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: of our societal structures are products of the mind, I

794
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: think the way that you are approaching your relinquishment of

795
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: them is at the very least a real admirable effort.

796
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: I think it's the best choice that I've made when

797
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: I felt like like like giving up.

798
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Is this a form of giving up?

799
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: Like it's progress? My maps are talking to me telling

800
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 4: me where to go?

801
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: Is this a form of giving up?

802
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's kind of like abduction, you know

803
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's kind of like aliens that are like, yes, come,

804
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: come here, and they're they're taking me. I don't know.

805
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting and I'm not doing anything else

806
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 4: right now. So they said I could leave in a week.

807
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. They're could keep me there, but.

808
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy, yeah, stay safe, man.

809
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: My Google maps keeps trying to talk to me and

810
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 4: tell me where to go.

811
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonn I'm gonna let you get back to it.

812
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 4: Okay.

813
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else the show?

814
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: It would have to be something about despair and making

815
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: the better choice than you know, the worst choice, because

816
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: you want to take the worst route. But there's a

817
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: lot of different routes you can take to change everything up.

818
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 4: And no, I'm not gonna no harm is gonna come

819
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 4: of this, I hope, But if I escape, I'll call

820
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 4: back and let you know how it win.

821
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling, Jimmy, Thank you. I think sometimes

822
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: with these calls, I search in my mind for what's

823
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: the perfect thing to say. What can I say that

824
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: it's helpful to the person listening or is entertaining?

825
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: Two?

826
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: What can I say that is helpful to the person

827
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking to or is entertaining to the people listening?

828
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: And leally that that feeling to say the perfect thing

829
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: have actually gotten in the way of me saying the truth.

830
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: And the truth is that I have really absolutely no

831
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: idea what to make of that call. And I could

832
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: further elaborate on my confusion, but I don't think that

833
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: I need to. I think you guys get it. Goes

834
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: on the line taking your phone calls every night.

835
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: There goes to his I's

836
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: Teaching you cloud in the literal life, but he's not

837
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: really an expert.