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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seven Tannis Show, We've got Tim Burnett, the host

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Speaker 1: of the Solo Hunter TV show and an avid Western hunter,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking Western white tail hunting, self filming, and

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Speaker 1: much more. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear. And today, as I

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, we've got a great guest in Tim Burnett,

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Speaker 1: who's going to join me to discuss all sorts of stuff,

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Speaker 1: including Western white tail hunting, advice for white tail hunters

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Speaker 1: heading out west for their first big game hunt, thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the impact of social media on hunting, self filming,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. But before all that, unlike most weeks,

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Speaker 1: we will not be catching up with my co host

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Speaker 1: Dan Johnson because he's actually out of the office today,

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Speaker 1: I believe, chasing his other passion of competitive dog grooming.

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Speaker 1: So it's just me today and our guest Tim. But

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Speaker 1: before we get Tim on the line, we do have

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Speaker 1: As we do every week, We've got a sick story

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Speaker 1: going to enjoy this one. Today we've got just day

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Speaker 1: Low from day Lorenzo Photography, and several years ago, she

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Speaker 1: had one of those seasons that just grinds on you.

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Speaker 1: You know, hunt after hunt comes and goes and nothing

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Speaker 1: things seems to go right. So when Pennsylvania's final day

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Speaker 1: of their Late Archer season arrived and had lousy weather,

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Speaker 1: Jess was left with a tough decision to make and

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Speaker 1: Now has just mentioned she was wearing sick because downpour

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Speaker 1: me on the line now is Tim Burnett? Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Tim, Hey, Mark, how are you doing. I'm

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Speaker 1: there's no shortage advantage points generally depending on where you're hunting.

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00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: But I'm always you know, I guess I'm kind of

429
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: a cost passive aggressive ist. I like to be very

430
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: passive at first, but if the right opportunity comes, I'm

431
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: going to dive in, you know people. So, but as

432
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: far as for white tails go, like like say that

433
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 1: that placed up in Idaho for instance, Um, when I

434
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: first started hunting that area, you know, I spent two

435
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: or three days just glassing from across the canyon, I

436
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: mean you're talking a mile away or more glass ng

437
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: trying to see where the bucks were coming out and

438
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: that type of thing. And then spent another couple of

439
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: days before I got real aggressive with stand placement, UM,

440
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: sitting up on the field edge, you know, up in

441
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: the crops, watching these bucks come out, to see where

442
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: they would come out. And then it wasn't until like

443
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: the six or seventh day that I was there that

444
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: actually moved in with the tree stamp and killed the

445
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: buck on that first night. So how do you know

446
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: when to write when when to make that move for

447
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: the kill. Is it simply that you've seen a buck

448
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: do something enough times or is it more I don't know.

449
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: How do you make that decision to finally go in.

450
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: I think that time of year, if you see a

451
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 1: buck do something, once he's done it before, you know

452
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: he's the buck doesn't travel. I mean that white tell

453
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: guys know what buck. The buck is where he is

454
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: for a reason. He's not anywhere ever, by accident, unless

455
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: he's been well. Even when he's chased there, he's not

456
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: there by accident. So it's there. They're there for reasons.

457
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: So if if he's traveling and it's late August or

458
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: first part of September and I can see him, you know,

459
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: work in this field edge and moving into the beans

460
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: or whatever he might be doing, he's been there before,

461
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: he's comfortable there. He's probably going to do it again.

462
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: It might not be the next night, you know, it

463
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: might not be the next week, but he's probably gonna

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: be there again. Yeah. Yeah, when you're going in to

465
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: make that set. How often are you are you doing

466
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot of ground hunting from ground blinds or is

467
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: it always using a tree stand or spotting stock or

468
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: what are you doing when it comes to white tails

469
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: from from a positioning standpoint, No, I personally like to

470
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: be in a tree. I mean, white tails are made

471
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: to be killed out of a tree, like coyotes were

472
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: made to be killed with a rifle and turkey to

473
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: be smacked with a shot. That's just the way the

474
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: way I see white tails. I mean, I've had some

475
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: some great encounters and great things from the ground, but

476
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing like There's nothing like doing your homework and

477
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: scouting the deer and finding them and actually picking the

478
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: right spot to be in that you can ambush them.

479
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you you you tricked them in

480
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: a way, and then you're in that stand. I mean

481
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of Western guys look at it.

482
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: It's like, well, that's boring, hugged man, you're just sitting

483
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: in a tree stand. Well not if you were the

484
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: guy that figured out that that's where that tree stand

485
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: needed to be. If if you're outfit or put that

486
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: stand there, Yeah, out of a stand sucks. But if

487
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: you can spend four of days hunting the area and

488
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: patterning these deer, then it's stinking awesome and there's no

489
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: better adrenaline rush than that. Just wondering if that buck's

490
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna come out of that little pocket of willows and

491
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: then what he does? You know, watching him just shape

492
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: and you know, strut on in right underneath you while

493
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: you got three and a half minutes for your adrenaline

494
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: to go crazy. Mean, it's it's pretty awesome. I love.

495
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when they when they actually finally, do you know,

496
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: follow the script that you laid out the few times

497
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: that it works out, It's pretty pretty special feeling, that's

498
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: for sure. Is there is there any I don't know?

499
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: Is there a standard way you like to go about

500
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: setting your tree stands? At you a guy who likes

501
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: to be really high? Or are you just going where

502
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: the best cover is um? Or is it? You know?

503
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear about what you're thinking about when

504
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: you go setting up a stand in a position like that.

505
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: I set up my stand where the deer is gonna be.

506
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's in a nine foot seater

507
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: or a thirty ft sycamore. You know, get the deer

508
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: moving through there. I will find some way to have

509
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: a stand there or or to be in that spot.

510
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I mean, I've killed deer out

511
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: of like I say, literally, I could reach up and

512
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: put my hand on the platform on the tree stand

513
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: tree in Oklahoma. I've killed him out of the ground.

514
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: But I've also like that spot in Idaho. You know

515
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: it's such a steep, steep angle, but at one side

516
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: you're fifteen feet from the ground. But on the back

517
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: side of the tree, your third man, it's is is

518
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: it just two pans? Just pans? Yeah, you're getting up there,

519
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: and so it sounds like with the way you're hunting.

520
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: Disclaimer here too, I am by no means a white

521
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: tailed god, you know, not the leading authority on the

522
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: white tail deer. I just like to hunt, and I

523
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: figured out way to kill a few of them. That's

524
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: about it. It's about the best you can ask for

525
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: from all of us. I'd say, um, what kind of

526
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: stands stet ups are you using? I mean, if you're

527
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: going in it sounds like, you know, observing this deer

528
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: for a while and then making a move with stands,

529
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: you're probably using some kind of portable setup or climber.

530
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: What do you do from a stand standpoint? Um? Lock on?

531
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: You know you gotta you gotta remember a lot of

532
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: these places I've already hiked into a couple of miles,

533
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes so just a climber stand that's super lightweight,

534
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: super small, that enables you also to get into two

535
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: smaller trees. And uh, you know, anytime you throw in

536
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the filming aspect of it too, that's that's a whole

537
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: different beast in itself. You know, if a guy could

538
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: just go in on his own and kill you could

539
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: get away with with very minimal trimming, and you know,

540
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: get in places that you can't get into with the

541
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: camera or cameraman for that matter. Right, right, So when

542
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: you're doing these mobile setups, do you are you like

543
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the day guy who you like to

544
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: make your moves or you know some guys that like

545
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: to go in after dark and hanging new stand When

546
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: are you usually making your move to put up a

547
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: new stand and get situated. I also remember you're talking

548
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: early season, so mid days always going to be you know,

549
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: always gonna be a little bit more practical mid day

550
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: early afternoon. A lot of times these bucks get into

551
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: a bed, a bed, you know, by eight or nine

552
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Well they might they might get

553
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: up and stretch your legs and go for a drink

554
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: at noon too, so you gotta be careful. But generally

555
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm hanging them either, you know, twelve one o'clock or

556
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in and hanging at four o'clock and

557
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: stay there, you know, go ahead and hunt it. So

558
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: so speaking of when you're hanging your stands and stuff

559
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: like that, and about that midday time period, kind of

560
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: thing that we talk a lot about is hunting mornings

561
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: at certain times of the year. A lot of us

562
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, at least myself, I'm pretty hesitant about

563
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: hunting mornings early in October during that kind of the

564
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: early season for us is early October. Is that something

565
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: that you're thinking about two in early September about the

566
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: challenges of trying to hunt in the morning and maybe

567
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: focusing just on the evening or do you hunt both

568
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: depends on the area. You know, if if you understand

569
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: your food source and the destination fields where those they

570
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: are going to be, you know, if you feel like

571
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: you can have enough time to get into a stand

572
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: set that mornings are stinking awesome. You know, you see

573
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: guys like Greg Miller and David Blanden killing deer in

574
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: the mornings all the time. Um, I've killed deer in

575
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: the morning. So it depends on where those where, the

576
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: likelihood that those deer are going to be in the mornings,

577
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, because if if you're not if you're not

578
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: hunting the mornings that time of year and you're only

579
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: hunting evenings, those are some long days and you're especially

580
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: if you're traveling from out east or anything there, you've

581
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: just wasted half of your trip, half of your vacation

582
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: time to hunt half days. I mean, that's you. You'll

583
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: figure out a way if you want to hunt, you'll

584
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get in there. Whether you're

585
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: hiking in, you know, going in it midnight and sitting

586
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: for six hours in the dark, that's up to you.

587
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: Depends on how much you want to kill a deer.

588
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: You know that that's spot right. I've killed most of

589
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: my deer in Idaho. I know those deer are gonna

590
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: go up into those crops and they're gonna crest over

591
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: the top and drop down into the destination pocket. So

592
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: I can walk in just you know, thirty forty minutes

593
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: before dark, knowing that they're not going to come up

594
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: out of that out of that other draw until you know,

595
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: until I'm already in the stand right now. What about

596
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: these situations like the river bottom type habitat like we

597
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: were talking about in places like Montana and a lot

598
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: of other places out west, it seems like, I mean,

599
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: they're probably betting in that habitat around the river right

600
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: and then moving up to the crops above. Is that right?

601
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: Or how are they using that from a betting versus

602
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: feeding area? Yeah, so it can be. You know, you'll

603
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: see a lot of times in Montana right on the

604
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: falpha that's right along the river, those deer a bed

605
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: right Inalfalfha. So unless they're bumped, you know, and have

606
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: to have a reason to have their pattern altered, there's

607
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: there's no reason for them to go into the woodline

608
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: and bed. They can bed wherever they want, so they

609
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: that's where your scouting's gotta come into play. You gotta

610
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: watch and see or crap, are they going to bed

611
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: right next to that pivot every time? So if it's

612
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: nice and cool and they get water when whatever they want,

613
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: they can see danger coming from miles away. Or are

614
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: they going to work into that woodline and lay down

615
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: right the CRP right on the edge where they go

616
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: on deeper to find little cedar pocket. You know, you

617
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: just you don't know you got there's That's the thing

618
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: is there's there're stinking animals. Man, They're gonna do whatever

619
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: they want, whenever they want. But the other thing to

620
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: remember is if you see a buck, a big especially

621
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: big mature buck somewhere, he's there for a reason. So

622
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out why why was he in this spot?

623
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: Why was he rounding this bend on that river instead

624
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: of just walking up over the gravel bar into the field.

625
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, well, it's because he can sent check three

626
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: quarters of the field by just working around that gravel bar,

627
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: because the way the winds are going or something. You know,

628
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: he's there for a reason, um, and he he knows

629
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: that that travel that that travel corridor is safe. And

630
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: so that's where early season when you can actually see

631
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: them on the hoof, and you've got a huge advantage

632
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: over October or or early November when you may not

633
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: have laid eyes on other than just trail cameras. You know,

634
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: speaking of trail cameras, is that a big part of

635
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: your strategy Usually No, not generally Um it is in

636
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma where um you know where you you know, you're

637
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you've got a property, you've got boundaries, you know, you've

638
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: got you've got your area, and you've got to figure

639
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: out those deer and pattern those deers. So cameras are

640
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot more important to me there out west, um,

641
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the spot like that spot

642
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: in Idaho, I have those deer figured out so well,

643
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: and I still put out cameras, you know, to kind

644
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: of see what's what's there. But if I'm going to

645
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: a new area or something, I you know, generally am

646
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: traveling there and I'm limited on time, and so I'll

647
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: spend that time scouting and you know, if I can

648
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: throw out a camera, I will, but I don't. I

649
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: don't put a lot of weight into it because because

650
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: I may or may not be have any connection to

651
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: that spot. You know, I might not be going back,

652
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: or I might have just happened onto it randomly. Right, Right,

653
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: You've got a short amount of time to utilize those pictures.

654
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: That doesn't always end up panting out. That's that's worth

655
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: probably the time, right Yeah. I mean, you know, if

656
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: I if I'm going into Montana, just somewhere and I

657
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: bust in there and start hanging cameras where I think

658
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: the travel cord or be able, you know. You. I

659
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: feel like unless you m have the time or have

660
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: uh are gonna be hunting that area for years on end,

661
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, or multiple years or whatever, then cameras make sense.

662
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: But if you've got one week and you're on vacation

663
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: from you know, Albany, New York, and you're in Montana

664
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: on public land, um just getting there and hunt, man,

665
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: don't waste your vacation time hanging cameras, fine glass, find

666
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: the deer and hunt, because you know, I don't know,

667
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: that's my opinion. For a guy from Albany, New York,

668
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: like you said, or somewhere like that, do you think

669
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: a white tailed trip out west is worth it? I mean,

670
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: is there something special? Like should somebody experience a Western

671
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: white tail hunt versus anywhere else? Heck, just just like

672
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: a Western guy needs to experience a Midwestern hunter an

673
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Eastern hunt, you know. I mean, if if you are

674
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: an advocate for hunting, why would you limit yourself to

675
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: only hunting eltcome you'll do out here in the West,

676
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you really want to experience

677
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: for yourself what white tail hunting man is, rather than

678
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: just you know, talking smack about white tail hunters in

679
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the bar and how tree stand hunters are lazy and

680
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to hunt. You're not real hunters. What there?

681
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: Go to do it for your damn self and figure

682
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: it out. And you don't think about that if you're

683
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: actually hunting those animals and not just paying a fee

684
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: to go with an outfit or to hank to sit

685
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: in the stand that he his guy hung six years

686
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: ago and it worked for one guy six years ago,

687
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: so it's gonna work for you this year. Then that's

688
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: that's not hunting. You know, that's a different type of

689
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a hunt. It's for different people. But if you're a

690
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: hunter and you want to hunt, you know, you've got

691
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: to experience what we have to offer here in America. Man.

692
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: There's some good stuff. Yeah. I've really come to enjoy

693
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: the different types of terrain to that offer these different

694
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: challenges and just different experiences, you know, from hunting where

695
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: I live it here in Michigan, to then going out

696
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: to in Iowa or Nebraska, and now I'm excited to

697
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: take it, you know, a little step further to see,

698
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, a very different landscape in Montana, and I

699
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: feel like there's something to be said about just experiencing

700
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: those different types of hunts and everything that goes with it.

701
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: You know. It may not be the most hyped place

702
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: compared to Iowa or Kansas, where the you know, quote

703
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: unquote giants live, but I think just having a diverse

704
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: set of experiences kind of rounds you out as a hunter.

705
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: And I think just there's a lot of fun to

706
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: do anything it can you know, it's it's all to

707
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: the individual. You know. I'm a huge believer that a

708
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: guy's got to do what he what he is passionate

709
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: about what he wants to do. You know. Don't feel

710
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: forced to hunt the way other people hunt just because

711
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: other people are having success, you know what I mean,

712
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have you know, like like my

713
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: buddy Jeff that I was just talking about Jeff de Ancher,

714
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: he he has no desire to go upen like ground

715
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: the high country att I was eating. Chasing mule deer

716
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: just not fun him, you know. But if that's not funny,

717
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: you don't do it, you know. So it's it's all

718
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing. About hunting is it's an individual sport,

719
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, or it's an individual lifestyle and the individual

720
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: activity and you gotta do it too. Whatever is gonna

721
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: make you happy, you know. So what what makes you

722
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: happy hunting? What's your favorite hunt? What's your favorite type

723
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: of species to hunt? In place? You know? Envelop mule

724
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: deer in August, it's really kind of belvo mule deer

725
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: in August and then rolling into Elk in September. I mean,

726
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: that's that is hunting for me. You know, that's kind

727
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: of where it's at. But I like to experience new

728
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: things too, you know, any certain state that isn't your home,

729
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: stay in the Vada your favorite spot for that to

730
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: a velvet hunt or whereabouts. Yeah, Nevada for mule deer, definitely,

731
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: because the hunts start August tenth. They used to start

732
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: August one, um, but August tant you can roll in

733
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: and and find those bucks and about as vulnerable state

734
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: as they'll ever be, um and get it in hum.

735
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: But the difficulty, the challenges is getting the tag, you know.

736
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: UM and then Elk in Idaho just because that's where

737
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: I grew up. That's home. Nice. So last year me

738
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: and my my co host who's usually on the show

739
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: with me. We were planning a early season high country

740
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: mule deer hunt in Idaho, um and just because there's

741
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: some funky things going on, we had to change our plans.

742
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: But going into that, you know, we were trying to

743
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: figure out all sorts of stuff about how to do

744
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: a hunt like that. That's nothing either one of us

745
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: have ever done. I've done some elk hunting, but not

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: that kind of early season or any kind of mulder hunt. Really,

747
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: what what is it about that type of hunt that

748
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: you like so much? I guess I'm curious about. First, Well,

749
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: that's what I grew up doing, you know. I mean,

750
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I lived out in an area that's about as wild

751
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: as it possibly gets, and we grew up going up

752
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: to those high mountain lakes and fishing and seeing all

753
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: these big deer, you know, rotting around. So it's only

754
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: natural to want to go back, but you can't. You

755
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: can't beat you know, hiking in six seven eight miles

756
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: into the to the high country and spending time up

757
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: in the high alpine watching deer and elk and mountain

758
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: goats and big horn sheep. I mean, that's that's what

759
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: Western hunting is Yeah, it's uh, it sure seems to

760
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: put you put yourself in a position to see some

761
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: incredible places and animals and just I mean probably a

762
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: tremendous challenge, but worthwhile, I bet. Yeah. I mean if

763
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: you're into that kind of thing, and like, like I said,

764
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: you gotta most of the guys that have the air

765
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: hunters and that want to explore and do those things

766
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: will just eat up. They would love getting up into

767
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: new country. And I mean you would love it getting

768
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: up high and just figuring things out, you know. Um,

769
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: so what what's a what's a hunt like that? Look like?

770
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Are you just figuring out a base and you want

771
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: to get into getting up high and glass in a

772
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: lot until you find the deer ye're after in the

773
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: making a move or do you start lowering glass up?

774
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: How does that kind of pan out? So? Um, it

775
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: just depends on the type of hump, but it is

776
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, or where it's at you know. So, so

777
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: if you're if you're are you if you're specifically talking about,

778
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: say if a mule deer hunt the first week in September,

779
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, high country mule deer hunt, Yeah, you're gonna

780
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: get up into those high basins. You know, find where

781
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: the water sources and the food source at that time,

782
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: and get up aside as you can do as much

783
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: scouting as you can on Google Earth and just looking

784
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: at the area of figuring it out once you experience

785
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: and spend and experience is the greatest teacher one year.

786
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: When you're up there with those animals year in and

787
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: year out, you kind of figure out where they're going

788
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to be. Whether it's a mountain range in Idaho or a

789
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: a mountain range in Utah, the habits are going to

790
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: be very similar. You know, you're gonna look for those

791
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: those pockets, You're gonna look for the bitter brush, You're

792
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna look for those things that that experience has taught

793
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: you that those the places that those deer like to be.

794
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, Um, that's really that's really kind of kind

795
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: of how high mountain hunting is. Um, there's no guarantees

796
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: and nothing is the same. Yeah, can you elaborate a

797
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: little bit about what those types of areas look like.

798
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in my situation last summer, I

799
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on Google Earth looking at

800
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: these mountain ranges and you know, taking things I've read

801
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: and trying to apply it to this this aerial I'm

802
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: looking at and saying, Okay, I see this pocket here

803
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: in this but it's kind of hard to translate that

804
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: into what it's actually like on the ground. What what

805
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: does good mule deer habitat look like in the high country?

806
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: You know, it could be it could be wide open,

807
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: just tundra looking stuff. We're at up in the top

808
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: of the shale, you know. Um, we watched one of

809
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: my brothers and i'd growing up. We watched one buck

810
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: that would basically live in the shale and then he

811
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: would work his way around and park but under one

812
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: one little loan stage tree. I can't even remember what

813
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: the heck of tree was like out the middle of nothing.

814
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: And he just spent his life doing that. But you

815
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: couldn't kill him because you couldn't approach him. So he

816
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: obviously had figured that out. So, UM, where I hunt

817
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot in Idaho, it is a little bit more open.

818
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: It's not as dance as what you might find in Montana,

819
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: the high country of Montana and in some of those

820
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: areas that are heavily wooded. So it's it just depends

821
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: on the area. Um. I always look for smopen basins,

822
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: high basins, a lot of water, a lot of feed,

823
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and there's generally gonna be deer in there, you know,

824
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: So is it I'm the first teacher because I'm I'm

825
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: just like, there's like a guy that wants to go

826
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: out and hunt, you know, and I've been doing it

827
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: since I was ten twelve years old. So to try

828
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: to explain what the terrain looks like, because the terrain

829
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: on one side of the mountain is going to be

830
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: entirely different to the other side. You know, I'm just

831
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm asking you impossible questions. But I'm enjoying what I

832
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: can take from this. I mean, there's there's so much

833
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: what I love about hunting new places, whether it's a

834
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Western white tail hunt or a mule deer hunt or

835
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: elk hunts or whatever. I love that process of discovery,

836
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: like that process of trying to figure it all out,

837
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: and even even in just a white tail hunt in

838
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: a new place, just trying to figure out a new

839
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: property like we were talking about. I mean, that's kind

840
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: of that chest match that you mentioned. That's so cool

841
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: when you can slowly start to put the pieces together,

842
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: figure out one thing today and then another thing tomorrow

843
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: and keep on adjusting, whether it be a tree stand

844
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: or whether it's where you're you know, glassing. It's pretty

845
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: cool when you can slowly accrue all that information right

846
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: and then finally see it payoff in some kind of way.

847
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: That's that's for me what gets me so fired up. Yeah,

848
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you're in a decent area that

849
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: holds animals, you're gonna find animals where you're hunting, you know.

850
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: So if you're hunting the low the low Foot hills,

851
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna find animals in the low Foot hills out west.

852
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. Are they going to be exactly what

853
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: you want? Maybe maybe not, but you're gonna figure out

854
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: how to hunt them there. You might take that same

855
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: exact mountain range and go up to the top. You're

856
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: probably gonna find deer up at the top two and

857
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna be acting, you know, the same as those

858
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: down the bottom. It's just the terrain is a little

859
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: bit different. So it's it's just you gotta adapt to

860
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: where to the area where you're at. You know, you

861
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to adapt to the species as much.

862
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: He's like I said, animals want to eat drake bred

863
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: and be married, you know. Very true. So for for

864
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: a white tailed guy, let's say that's listening right now,

865
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: that lives in the East coast or south and the

866
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Midwest or something like that, that wants to go out

867
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: for their first Western hunt, what would you recommend as

868
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: far as species location, anything like that for like a

869
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: first time or going west. What do you think would

870
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: be a good first time trip. You're talking to do

871
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: it yourself guy or a guy it's looking to have

872
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: some help. I'm interested in d I Y. I think

873
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: I think most of our guys are d I Y. Yeah.

874
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: So you figure out where you can obtain a tag,

875
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, are you're gonna have to put in for

876
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: a drug. You're gonna be able to go to a

877
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: state that you can buy it over the counter. So

878
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: that's you gotta figure that out once you Once you

879
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: narrow that down and say, okay, I'm just gonna I

880
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: don't want to start building points. Excuse me. You figure

881
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: that out and you say, okay, why I need to

882
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: have the flexibility to buy a tag over the counter.

883
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: So that narrows you down to Idaho, you know, or wherever.

884
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: Once you get that figured out, you say, Okay, which

885
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: area you know? Have you heard that is good hunting?

886
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Or which areas are the tag is good for you?

887
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: Figure out your area and then then you pull up

888
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: Google Earth and just go to scouting. Um, you know,

889
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: spend hours and hours just looking at the maps figuring

890
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: out where water maybe, Um you know if that time

891
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: of year is they're gonna be is there gonna be

892
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: snowpack in there? I mean, are you gonna So you

893
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: just just kind of do all your scouting pre scouting

894
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: and everything with Google Earth. And uh, that's the beautiful

895
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: thing I guess about social media and the beautiful land

896
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: bad thing is there's somebody out there that knows something

897
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: about almost every area, and somebody out there that's willing

898
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: to talk about every area. So there's a lot of

899
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: networking going on and networking opportunities to figure to get

900
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: more information. Yeah, do you have a hard time with that?

901
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of people reach out to

902
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: you saying where are you hunting in that episode? Or

903
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: where should I go specifically for this trip or that trip?

904
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Is that something you have to deal with a lot? Yeah,

905
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of that comes

906
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: from the younger crowd that you just really having figured

907
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: out the ATHLETs behind social media yet, you know, um

908
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: or just just value of someone's time in general. So

909
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of that comes from kids, and so you know,

910
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: you kind of feel that out and decide if you

911
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: want to take the time to of them out a

912
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: little bit or if you just ignore it. You know.

913
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: But I hate to say that that I ignore things,

914
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: But there's there's doing what I do there. It's the

915
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: questions and comments are not in short supply. Let's put

916
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: it back, so you gotta you know, I pride myself

917
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: on responding to as many questions as I possibly can,

918
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I don't get nearly as many as

919
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys do. But at the end of

920
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: the day, we're all on the same team and I

921
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: want to see someone succeed. But that's when I get

922
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: those questions that more times than not, it's you know,

923
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: a teenager or you know a younger kid that just

924
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: just hasn't quite you know, figured out the ethics. I guess,

925
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: don't they don't have to ask, I mean, you know,

926
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, So so one more thing for

927
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: the first time, or is there a species that you

928
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: think is the best first time Western hunt species? Is

929
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: elk the way to go with the first time for

930
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: most guys. If you had to give a generic answer

931
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: or I don't know, what's what do you think is

932
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: that best be ginner Western animal to go for? It

933
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: depends on how adventurous the beginner is, you know. I mean,

934
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: if you if you're looking to just not to just

935
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: have an experience of a lifetime right out of the gate,

936
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: go outcome in middle of September. It doesn't get any better.

937
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: Even even if you don't lay eyes on a single animal.

938
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: The sounds that you're gonna hear and the places that

939
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get into will be enough of an adventure

940
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: for your first time you'll want to You'll be addicted

941
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and want to go back year after year. So so yeah,

942
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: I agree from my experiences chasing elk, does that ever

943
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: get old? Because this will be my fourth year I

944
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: think coming up elk hunting, and so far it hasn't

945
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: gotten old for me. But for you who's grown up

946
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: with it, is it still as good as it was

947
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Yeah. I'll still spend three weeks chasing

948
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: alca and that's that's the beauty. Of you know, I

949
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: guess the approach that I take to hunting. Yeah, it's

950
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: it's my job now, or it's a big part of

951
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: my job now. But I've always taken the approach to

952
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: hunting just like I would if if I was, you know,

953
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: a school teacher. I still want to just enjoy the

954
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: whild and I want to experience the animals as much

955
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: as I can. So I feel like my mentality isn't

956
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: much different than it would be otherwise. Um. Interesting, Yeah,

957
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: it's uh, there really is something to be said about

958
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: just being out there and soaking it all in. And

959
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, for me, one of the challenges

960
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I've kind of gone through, you know, from just being

961
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: a hunter and then eventually starting to film my hunts

962
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: and worrying about trying to capture on film and do

963
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: all the other things that go into it, and sometimes

964
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: there was kind of a level of like burnout where

965
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: I was just not enjoying the hunt as much as

966
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: I should have been because I was too worried about

967
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: the production of something or producing quote unquote trying to

968
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: get whatever it was I was trying to get. Have

969
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: you ever felt that Has that ever been something you've

970
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: had to deal with. Yeah, that's that's our fault, you know,

971
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: that's our choice. We've chosen to, uh, in order to

972
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: have the careers that we have, We've chosen that that

973
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: handicap you know in a lot of ways. But I

974
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: think gotta remember too, is the majority of the guys

975
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: that are listening to as podcasts or the majority of

976
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: hunters out there in the country, you're not They're not

977
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: screwed out with cameras because they're smarter than we are.

978
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: If you if you almost have to. And that's one

979
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: of the things that I've kind of learned over over

980
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the years. What solo hunter is there are there's there's

981
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: the following or the fan base that are hunters that

982
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: are into the hunting part of it, and then there's

983
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: the fan base and the following that's that's addicted to

984
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: the filming side of it too. So I'm I'm just

985
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: assuming you know in this conversation that these guys are

986
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: just wanting to go out and hunt and experience hunting.

987
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: They're not out there to necessarily, you know, document their

988
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: hunt on camera and film on all that. Because if

989
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: you're wanting to come out West for the first time

990
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: and film this awesome self filmed hunt you know, solo

991
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: hunt man. You're in for a piece of a challenge

992
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: right there. It's different than than self film and hunt

993
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: a tree stand, I can promise you. Yeah. So that's

994
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: where guys like you and I have to kind of

995
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: keep that separation or you know that not everybody's out

996
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: there to film, but a lot of our you know,

997
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: our specific fan base are out there to film. Yeah,

998
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: So for those guys, because I don't know what you've seen,

999
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: but I definitely think over the years, I've seen more

1000
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and more hunters want to pick up filming, you know,

1001
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: not for necessarily show or something, but just they want

1002
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: to have that footage for themselves look back at, or

1003
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: to show their friends or maybe to start their own thing.

1004
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: For those types of people, UM, I don't know, what's

1005
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: what would you do? You have any advice that to

1006
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: a person who wants to get started self filming? What

1007
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: what do you tell people that want to get started

1008
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: with that kind of thing to do it? I mean,

1009
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: if if that's what you want to do, then then

1010
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: figure out you have to have an end goal in mind,

1011
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: and not necessarily end goal as in I want to

1012
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: be a t guy you know, or I want to

1013
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: have I want to produce a DVD, or I wanted this.

1014
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: Have an end goal with what your hunt looks like?

1015
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: When when you get home, what do you want that

1016
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: video of production to look like? And then that's how

1017
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: you kind of work backwards and go into it that way,

1018
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: because if you if you just say I'm just gonna

1019
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: film my hunt and you don't have a format or

1020
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: a platform to showcase that format, then you're gonna go

1021
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: out there, see a huge bowl out go over the ridge,

1022
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: and that cameras staying in the truck. You know, you

1023
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: just hunt. You have to have when if you're going

1024
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: to make that commitment to film, film it with a

1025
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: purpose and with an end result in mind, because otherwise

1026
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have a bunch of footage. It's gonna

1027
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: frustrate you and probably an empty truck band. Exactly what

1028
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: what's your self filming set up look like? If you're

1029
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: willing share that? Oh you bet? You bet? I need

1030
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: to do I can't that question honestly, probably about three

1031
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: or four times a day on the various social media

1032
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: platforms and emails. I need to just do a video,

1033
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: But it's hard because I only have one video camera,

1034
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: so for me to do a video of of my

1035
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: camera equipment is kind of counterproductive. I can't do it.

1036
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: That's a little tricky because you know, my wife's like,

1037
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: why don't you buy another came I don't know. I

1038
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: just never done. I need to do it, whether I

1039
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: borrow Remy's camera or whatever. But I um, I personally

1040
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: use a DSLR camera and I have one go Pro

1041
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: and that's basically it. Every once in a while a

1042
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: haul a second go Pro for my head cam or

1043
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: helmet cam. But the last I've kind of gotten away

1044
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: from that a little bit too. Um So, mostly just

1045
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: with a DSLR and a go Pro, and I don't

1046
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: necessarily recommended DSLR. You know, a video camera is much

1047
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: easier to film one used to. We are using the DSLR.

1048
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: I like to creative control. I guess I'm a control freak.

1049
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: Um No. I like to have the ability to, from

1050
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: a producer's standpoint, change up to looking the overall feel

1051
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: of of the situation. You know, if if if the

1052
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: situation is real intense, you know, and I've just missed

1053
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: boil at thirty yards and I'm really kind of piste

1054
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: off I'm gonna throw, you know, a nice, nice cinematic

1055
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: lens on there with good, solid depth of field, and

1056
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to it. And it's amazing what that

1057
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: can do to a production. Just by changing up the

1058
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: overall look of a lens, you know, or a shot

1059
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you crunch, you crunch in that depth of field, or

1060
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: you you open it up, it changes things completely. And

1061
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: so I've learned as a producer that's that's my second

1062
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: passion outside of hunting, is producing that if I can

1063
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: change some of those things, it's it really just adds

1064
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: to the dramatic effect without having to do anything different,

1065
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: without having to create drama. All I'm doing is filming

1066
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: in a different way. No. One of the things I've

1067
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: always thought about filming hunts of the DSLR that's got

1068
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: to be so challenging is the fact that you are

1069
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: a little bit more limited with the fact that you

1070
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: might need to be changing lenses or you know, in

1071
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: some cases you'll have a deer at ten yards and

1072
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: then you might have something at und twenty yards, and

1073
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: unless you've got a mega zoom lens, you might need

1074
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: to be switching things out and changing things up. I mean,

1075
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: does that is that a huge hassle? Is that something

1076
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: you deal with? Well, yeah, of course, where whether you're

1077
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: filming with a DSLR, you're filming with a video camera,

1078
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: you're hunting, habits have to change for you to be successful.

1079
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: If you're hunting the same way you would um with

1080
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: the camera as you would without the camera, you're not

1081
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: gonna You're not gonna get into position to kill that

1082
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: deer on camera, on film, I promise you. I mean,

1083
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: if I'm elk hunting by myself, I'm as aggressive as

1084
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: it gets and I'm chasing those out down and getting

1085
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: into pockets, and you're going to the animals. Well, to

1086
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: self film your hunt, that's pretty counterproductive. To self film.

1087
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to set up an ambush situation

1088
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: and have the animals come to you because you could

1089
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: control it. You can actually film it and have that

1090
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: animal unpressured and you know, not aware that you're there,

1091
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: and have a lot better opportunity to take your hand

1092
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: off the camera, grab the bow and shoot. So just

1093
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: by filming alone, you're hunting, You're hunting. Strategy changes either way.

1094
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: With a DSLR, it's more hands on. You know, you

1095
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: got both hands on their trying to focus and zoom

1096
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: and all that kind of junk, and but just it's

1097
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: an added challenge for sure. Yeah. Now are you usually

1098
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: running that ds and you're excusing your DSLR on a

1099
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: tripod or I've seen you sometimes with what looks kind

1100
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: of like a souped up selfie stick almost with the

1101
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: dsl are close to you, and then it looks like

1102
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: maybe a go pro higher above that shooting down at you.

1103
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: What's that set up look like? So the video the

1104
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: cameras always on a tripod, just with a fluid head.

1105
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: And then I've just kind of fashioned my own little

1106
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: It's a broken shooting stick, is what it is. And

1107
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: I just slid over the top of the on on

1108
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: on all the fluid heads or the tripod heads, they

1109
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: have the handle, you know. I just cut off the

1110
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: rubber off the handle and slid this shooting stick over

1111
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: the back of that. It's about two nights feet long,

1112
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: and then I just attached my GoPro to the end

1113
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: of that and it kind of gives a nice over

1114
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: the shoulder look. You can see the camera and if

1115
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: you're lucky and see the elk or the deer, the

1116
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: animal with the go probe, you know, but you can

1117
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: kind of see, you see the action that's going on

1118
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: as a cell filming. Yeah, what about in your tree

1119
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: stand hunts? Are you rocking a camera or something like

1120
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: that too? Yeah, always a camera, yeah, stabilities, stabilities, a key,

1121
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: So I have a using muddy or I'll use a

1122
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: third arm, just depends on where I'm at um and

1123
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: then just a go pro. That's a cool thing about

1124
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: being stationary, you know, if you're out of a tree

1125
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: stand or a ground blind, it's you can put go

1126
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: pros wherever you want. I mean, I saw a picture

1127
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: with you you must have seven or a go pros rapt. Yeah,

1128
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't that wasn't too functional of a setup. But

1129
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: I try to keep it simple. I've learned, you know,

1130
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: as a producer, there's there's an easy way and there's

1131
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: a hard way. And if you keep it easy and

1132
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: just fix everything in post and that, yeah, and I

1133
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: and I personally end up with a better result than

1134
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: trying to run three or four cameras at a time. Yeah.

1135
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: So what about that first time self film where I

1136
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: gotta believe you get this question a lot where someone's like, hey,

1137
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: what's what camera gears. Should I get to get started?

1138
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a basic setup? Do you recommend from

1139
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: camera to tripod to whatever else I need? I do,

1140
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm working on I ben working on it for years

1141
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: at arth Last, actually, But there's there's a lot of

1142
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: inexpensive HD cameras out there. I think one is a

1143
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: canon HV. I mean I started out on the S

1144
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: twenty or one. I first started solo on her, and

1145
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: but there's like an HD forty or something that's a

1146
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: nice little nine dollar a thousand dollar camera shots great footage. Um,

1147
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's perfectly capable of a television show quality

1148
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: as long as you're lighting and audio is good. But

1149
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: and you can go all the way up from there,

1150
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, Um, Ramy and I both for the last

1151
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: two years, I've been shooting exclusively four K footage, so

1152
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 1: that that gives us a lot more flexible allion post um.

1153
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: But again, it has its own set of challenges too. Yeah,

1154
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: you got some big files, then, huh, big files. But

1155
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: I like that's the challenge with solo Hunter is is

1156
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: we could overproduce it and and polish it up to

1157
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: the point where it's not practical, not believable, or we

1158
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: can keep it raw, and yet still try to have

1159
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: the best video quality you can. Ye, what do you

1160
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: think is the biggest mistake that most people make when

1161
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: trying to film a hunt, whether it's something you've done

1162
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: or something you've heard other people do. Is there anything

1163
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: common that a lot of people are screwing up? They're

1164
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: not filming enough to tell um a fully cohesive story,

1165
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: to show the story, you know. I mean, you can

1166
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: tell a story all you want, but if if you

1167
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: can show that and what happened on camera, that's that's

1168
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: to me where most people it's not. I don't I

1169
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a mistake. It's just a challenge that

1170
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: they haven't figured out yet, you know. So say, for instance,

1171
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: if I if I'm talking to the camera, I want

1172
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: to give myself four or five, six or more reference

1173
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: shots to reference what I just said, you know, and

1174
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: most people, most guys are gonna see an al cup

1175
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: on the ridge, film me up. They're gonna turn the camera,

1176
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, hey man, there's a big freaking alt

1177
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: cup on the ridge. I'm gonna go chase it down.

1178
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna go and the next shot you

1179
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: see is is them up on the ridge, Well, how

1180
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: did you get there? You know? What? What else did

1181
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: you see? What was the wind doing? You know, did

1182
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: you have your pack on or off? Just saying all

1183
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: those little things that don't matter to the hunt, but

1184
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: it matters to the post production, matters to the end

1185
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: result as far as the video goes. And that's those

1186
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: are typically the toughest shots to get because they require

1187
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: you take that extra time to you know, go over

1188
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: these extra things and when you really just want to

1189
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: be hunting, like we've been talking about, it takes a

1190
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: certain amount of mental toughness or like dedication to actually

1191
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: get those extra shots that set up the scenes and

1192
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: different things like that. You've gotta know when to hunt,

1193
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: no when to produce, you know, and if you can

1194
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: do both, come b it was together half decent, then

1195
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: you can you can end up with a TV show

1196
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: called Solo Hunter on Outdoor Channel. Now Here. Here's a question, Tim,

1197
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: how many animals lives have been saved because of the

1198
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: fact that you've been trying to film a lot You'll

1199
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: see this year there's there's quite quite a few. I'm

1200
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: actually cutting together right now, Episode four and five, which

1201
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: is my Idaho l hunt and those two episodes combined. Um,

1202
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: I passed on a lot of bowls because I was

1203
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: on some some really unique elk, big big bowls that

1204
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: I wanted. But I missed one, two, three, four, five

1205
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: five times, five times. And it's just it's just I

1206
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: have no no excuse, man, no excuse. How do you how?

1207
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: This time kind of takes us to a whole another topic,

1208
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: but it's one that I think every hunter can relate

1209
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: to or will someday whether they missed. Because in your situation,

1210
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do a lot different things and

1211
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: filming everything or whatever else, how do you handle something

1212
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: like that mentally, when you miss a deer or an

1213
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: elk or an animal. What's your kind of mental process

1214
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: for moving past that? The first time you miss a

1215
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: trophy class animally, you're gonna it'll tear you up. I mean,

1216
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: it'll eat you up. But then after you do it again,

1217
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: you'll realize it happens, you know. I just feel real

1218
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: bad for the guys that miss like a two white tail,

1219
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, or or hit him poorly and and don't

1220
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: recover them and those kinds. That's that hurts a lot more.

1221
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: But when you're just a regular Joe Schmo hunter like

1222
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: me out there hunting frenches and it's only a you know,

1223
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: a six by six, it's not a giant or whatever.

1224
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: You can't you can't beat yourself up over it. But

1225
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: that's the other side of the coin too. I've been

1226
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: hunting since I was you know, forever, and have I've

1227
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to have a lot of opportunities to

1228
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: both kill and to miss, so it's it's easier for me.

1229
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: I realized there's a lot of guys out there that,

1230
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, shooting I've never shot a poping young white tail,

1231
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: whether it's it's because of where they live or where

1232
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: they had you up, had the lack of opportunities of

1233
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: places to hunt, um or new to hunting or whatever.

1234
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: But everybody's situation is completely different. So there, uh, their

1235
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: initial reaction is is going to be a little bit different,

1236
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So you you have to learn to

1237
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: control it it in your way. You know, I've missed

1238
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: enough times now and have enough frustrations that it's I

1239
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: just laughing, move on. It's kind of what you have

1240
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: to do at some point. Do you do you still

1241
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: get buck fever? If any king? Oh yeah, oh, totally.

1242
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean with honestly, the cameras kind of have alleviated

1243
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: that a lot because I have to put my mind

1244
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: on the camera. Um, so that's that's helped with with

1245
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: buck fever. But you know, I still get it. I

1246
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: still get it. I can't say that I got it

1247
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: last year at her I think I was just ah,

1248
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I mean if you lose that excitement,

1249
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: you're you don't have a pulse. Yeah, exactly what what

1250
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: situation or animal hits you the hardest in that way?

1251
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: What what experience will get your blood flowing, the heartbeat

1252
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: and the fastest make you lose your mind the most.

1253
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: I think the animal that makes me lose my mind

1254
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: the most and it gives me that has given me

1255
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: the most buck fever um in my hunting life is

1256
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: white tailed deer, you know. But I think a lot

1257
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the fact that, um,

1258
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: they're they're just they're just different, Like I don't know,

1259
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: they're just like coutting jackrabbits. You just don't know. Even

1260
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: if you got that buck on trail camera coming out

1261
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: of that corner or the cornfield into the the soybeans

1262
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. This the scenario might be he never does

1263
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: it until like the ninth day in or whatever, or

1264
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: the third year, and the next thing you know, you

1265
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: you take a look at your left and there's that

1266
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: buck standing there, and you're like, that buck is not

1267
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be standing there, because he hasn't the last

1268
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: six years. And then they just have that ability of

1269
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: creeping up on you. For for me personally, and maybe

1270
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: that's because I've been around big newle deer and big

1271
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: elk more than big white tails, but um, they just,

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01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, like my adrenaline just

1273
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: gets pumping when I see a big white tail because

1274
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to see a big white tail. Yeah,

1275
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: there's to be reclusive. When when they finally do show up,

1276
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: it's it's such a culmination of all that planning, all

1277
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: that time waiting. I think that might be part of

1278
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: it for me too, is that, you know, while some

1279
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: might view it as a negative of white tail hunting,

1280
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a lot of sitting and waiting,

1281
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: I think all that anticipation kind of lends itself to

1282
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: that climactic moment being so intense when it actually does

1283
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: appear and it all goes what you planned. It's there's

1284
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot leading up to it that makes it

1285
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of a crazy moment. We'll put it this way

1286
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: up when I'm when I'm chasing a bowl out that

1287
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: I've found, you know, a big bowl like I found

1288
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: this year. I found a big bowl. I could go

1289
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: up on hundred thousand private acres of public land and

1290
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: I can find that bowl within a day or two.

1291
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, you could take a hundred naighty inch white tail,

1292
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: or two white tail, or a hundred mature buck for

1293
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: that matter, put him on a six aches or six

1294
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: acre or farm, and you might not see him forever. Yeah,

1295
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: that's just the way white tails are until to me.

1296
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: That's what's so intriguing about them is and you don't

1297
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: know if if a buck's gonna travel twenty miles during

1298
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: the rut to your property from Mark Drewry's property. You

1299
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: just don't know. So that's that's the cool thing about

1300
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: white tail. But for big people, deer and elk, generally,

1301
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: if they're in the area, in the wide, in the

1302
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: big country, you've got a good chance of planning him. Yeah,

1303
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I think you probably have a much better chance of

1304
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: finding him than I do, because I'm still not quit

1305
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, but learning sets your expectations in

1306
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: the right place, you know. I mean, I don't. I'm

1307
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: not an inch, I'm not a nitch hunter. I don't.

1308
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't really care. If I see a deer in

1309
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: the and the the siren goes off, then I'm chasing,

1310
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: you know what, no matter what the score. But I know,

1311
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: guys it will sit and just analyze deer with the

1312
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: spot in scope and and just count tinches and everything,

1313
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: and they have their goals in mind, and that's great

1314
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: for them. But you know, by the time they decided

1315
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: they're going to pass on that deer, he's that deer

1316
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: is already the back of my truck. Pull the trigger.

1317
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Is there is there any certain deer hunt while we're

1318
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of talking about white tails again, is there any

1319
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: white tail hunt that you've had that stands above all

1320
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: the rest, that kind of sticks sticks with you for

1321
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: some reason. Do you have any specific story that is

1322
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: your top dear story? Um, I mean, I've had a

1323
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of really good experiences hunting white tails. I mean

1324
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: I've had, uh, you know, one buck several years ago

1325
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: in Illinois. Probably there was the only time I've ever

1326
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: hunted with a with an outfitter, and it's probably be

1327
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: the last unless I'm chasing a mountain goat or a

1328
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: big horn sheep or something. But you know, there was

1329
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: a buck in there that that came out under the

1330
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: tree stand that seventy yards eighty yards in front of

1331
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: me top, you know, over the top of the dough

1332
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: and he had an eleven inch drop time. And when

1333
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: they ended up killing him in the week later, he

1334
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: scored two hundred eleven inches and just just the beast

1335
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: of a buck. And here we have all this awesome

1336
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: video footage of this deer, you know, SD video footage

1337
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: which is too bad, but and and everybody chasing it.

1338
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: So that was that was a good experience, you know.

1339
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean I had another huge buck in in Illinois,

1340
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: so those kind of stand out. But for me, for

1341
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: my white tail experiences, my favorite thing in the world

1342
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: is going to Oklahoma and hanging out with my buddies

1343
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: at the Lodge. You know, We've got this this place

1344
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: up in Northwest that that my friends Stacy's put together

1345
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: and we go out there and just hang out and

1346
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: have a good low key, you know, low pressured time,

1347
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: and that that to me, that's what white tail hunting

1348
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: is for me, you know, l cunning and muleteer hunting

1349
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: is a lot more serious, a lot more intense, and

1350
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: a lot more you know, a lot different, But why one.

1351
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: For me? White tails is just the relaxing mind game

1352
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: type of a type of a hunt, hanging out with

1353
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: my buddies because I can't, you know. Yeah, there's something

1354
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: be said about that camaraderie aspect to a hunt that

1355
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: doesn't require you to betod feet up on a ridge

1356
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: versus being able to sit back a camp and and

1357
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: grill something up and drink a beer and catch up.

1358
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are like the idea

1359
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: of Western hunting and like the idea of spending time

1360
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: at you know, over ten thousand feet and all that.

1361
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the reality is

1362
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: it's difficult. It's tough, and it's brutal, and there are

1363
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: times that it's not fun. But um, there's something that

1364
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: drives you to do it, you know, and I think

1365
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: everybody should experience it once or twice. Um. But that's

1366
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: where you know, different strokes for different folks is yeah, yeah,

1367
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 1: I agree, that's something that you know, since I've started

1368
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: heading out west hunt. I've been coming back and telling

1369
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: all my white tailed buddies, Hey, you really should try

1370
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: at least once just experience that, because, like you said,

1371
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: it's so different in so many different ways. And while

1372
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: it can be incredibly challenging in a lot of ways

1373
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: and tough and it's not always hunky doory fun, I

1374
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: think there's a powerful set of experiences that you can

1375
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 1: only get on that type of thing, that type of

1376
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: hunt that, like you said, different strokes for different folks.

1377
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: But if you ever thought about it, I would highly

1378
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: recommend trying it. Yeah, if you're if you're an adventurous guy,

1379
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: go after the adventure, you know, I mean, don't just

1380
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: limit yourself too and you and if you have the

1381
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: ability to, don't limit yourself to just just one thing

1382
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: because it looks hard. You know, it's not. You're you're

1383
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: hunting for a reason. There's no guarantee that you're gonna

1384
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: see a seeing a trophy buck, let alone kill one.

1385
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: You know, you've gotta be prepared to eat some tag soup,

1386
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: go home empty handed. You're you're going out there for

1387
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: the adventure and you're not going out there to to

1388
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: fill the freezer. Yeah, I've I've definitely had to adopt

1389
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: that my and set because I've three out of four

1390
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: times I've ate in my tax so or two dree

1391
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: or something like that. Now, so you know out west,

1392
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: you know the archer's success as well under ten. Right. Yeah,

1393
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to keep going out

1394
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: here because right now I'm above average, But if I

1395
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: keep moving out I might go downhill. Yeah. I think

1396
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: that's because there are so many of us hunters that

1397
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: are at different skill levels or different levels in their

1398
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: their lives or their careers and or their desires, you know.

1399
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: And that's the beautiful thing about it is hunting is

1400
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: such an individual relationship with you and God and nature

1401
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: that you have to get out of it what you

1402
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: want out of it and what you're willing to put

1403
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: into it, because you can't look at what somebody else

1404
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: is getting and expect to get that same result unless

1405
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: you're working, unless you're putting in the same effort as

1406
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: that person. Yeah, And I think that's one of the

1407
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: it's interesting to bring that up. I mean, that's one

1408
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: of the there's a lot of great things about the

1409
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: med the hunting media. You know, what you do and

1410
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: what I do and all these other guys sharing our

1411
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: experiences or lessons learned and think there's a lot of

1412
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: great things we can do. But I think one of

1413
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: the unfortunate kind of side effects of that is that

1414
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: you do get a lot of people watching or reading

1415
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: or listening, and you know, like you just said, they

1416
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: assume that they should be able to get the same

1417
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: results or see the same thing, or have the same experience.

1418
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of different variables. There's a lot

1419
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: of different factors that go into whether or not you

1420
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: will have that experience, if you can have that experience,

1421
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, think that affects expectations a lot. I mean

1422
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: you're only seeing you don't post to when you have

1423
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: a bad day. I mean you're only seeing the what

1424
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: people want you to see. You know, there's a lot

1425
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: of unrealistic expectations out there because of social media. UM.

1426
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a huge fan of what it does

1427
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: and what it can do for for a person and

1428
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: for their career and what it's done for mine. But

1429
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: at the at the same token, I'm a huge proponent

1430
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: that social media is bad for the industry too. I

1431
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: mean that everything everything against hunters, UM, the avenue is

1432
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: there because of social media, and it's it's creates this

1433
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: opportunity for for people to not show hunting how it

1434
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: needs to be shown, you know, and how what it

1435
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: means to me. I mean, I mean it's something different

1436
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: for everyone. But social media is gonna ruin hunting. There's

1437
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: there's it's it's been a great thing for it and

1438
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: for the brands and the businesses that that can grow

1439
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: and experience growth because of it. But at the end

1440
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: of the day, it's my prediction that social media is

1441
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,879
Speaker 1: what's going to cause division between uh, you know, hunters

1442
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: and people's and different things because it's not it's true

1443
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: and clear picture of what reality is. It's a true

1444
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: and clear picture of what Mark Kenyan and Tim Burnett

1445
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: want people to assume there the reality of their lives aren't. Yeah,

1446
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things about the implications of

1447
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: social media that they're concerning, whether you within the hunting world,

1448
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: like you just said that kind of thing like creating

1449
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: false expectations and stuff like that, or on the other side,

1450
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, like the types of issues we've had here

1451
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: where non hunters catch win of a photo or something

1452
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: that someone posted on social media that maybe isn't bad

1453
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: taste or you know, when you don't know the context

1454
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: of it, it seems really concerning to people on the

1455
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: other side of the aisle or whatever. And then you

1456
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: see that kind of stuff blow up into this huge

1457
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: anti hunting media storm. And there's a lot of stuff

1458
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: that that concerns me, that's for sure. There's a lot

1459
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: of people in there, are a lot bigger than me

1460
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: in the industry that are just out there looking for

1461
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: a fight, and they need to just not be looking

1462
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: for a fight because it's a lot of people, I

1463
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 1: think think that because someone makes you know, some anti

1464
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: hunter posts on you know, makes a comment on their

1465
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: posts that it's a badge of honor. No, you just

1466
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: stirred up a fight that didn't need to be there.

1467
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I don't understand the constant need for

1468
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: attention that social media has driven people too. If I

1469
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't have to do it, um, you know, for from

1470
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: business and from my career, I probably wouldn't. Um. I

1471
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I enjoy the interaction with people and with

1472
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: my with the partners that I work with, But um,

1473
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, it goes against my personality and and you know,

1474
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's here. We have to just do our

1475
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: best to represent ourselves and the sport of hunting in

1476
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 1: the right way. And if that means, you know, sending

1477
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: a private message to a teenager that's posted a distasteful

1478
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: photo and and things, and just you know, giving them

1479
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: your opinion and hoping that they respect that. And that's

1480
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: what that means, because it's it's our place to teach

1481
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: the younger people um coming up into this in this industry.

1482
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, some of the ropes that we've learned learned

1483
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: over the years. There's a lot of stuff on there that, man,

1484
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: it just makes me cringe. And I voiced my opinion

1485
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: on things like a bear being killed with a spear

1486
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: and different things, and and had my my butt kicked

1487
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: for that. But you know, there's things that you don't

1488
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: believe in, and if we don't say anything, who will. Yeah,

1489
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think there's a lot

1490
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: of people, you know, there's a lot of this, Uh,

1491
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's it's hard to know what's what

1492
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: anymore these days because there's a lot of people that

1493
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: say you should not be criticizing or you know, raising

1494
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: concerns about other hunters. Because you are trying to, you know,

1495
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: divide hunters. We shouldn't be dividing each other. We should

1496
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: be supporting each other one in every way because there's

1497
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: so many other people outside the hunting community that are

1498
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: attacking us anyways. But on the other hand, to your point,

1499
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: if we don't police our own in a respectful, you know,

1500
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: considerate way, we're also opening ourselves up to a lot

1501
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: of other issues. I think, when there's someone poking holes

1502
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: in the boat, I don't I'm not gonna let the

1503
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: boat flood, I would. I think you need to plug

1504
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: that if you can, and try to fix it in

1505
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: a proper way. And what if that means, like you said,

1506
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: sending someone a note and saying, hey, you know, what

1507
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: you're doing there is isn't really helping the cause. I

1508
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: think that's great advice, not only for some in the

1509
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: hunting industry, but for every hunter out there. You know,

1510
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: if any of us see something out there, take the

1511
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: time to talk to your fellow hunter, your friend, or whoever.

1512
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: And maybe they didn't think about how other people might

1513
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: perceive this post or that photograph or what you said

1514
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: in that video. You know. Yeah, the reality of it

1515
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: is is that guy's decision to post the way he

1516
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: did affects my life and my career because if it

1517
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: has a negative and adverse effect of what how hunting

1518
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: is perceived by even people within our sport, that affects

1519
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: our sport, and that affects me. You know, it's it's

1520
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: a selfish thing a lot of times, a lot of

1521
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: these posts that we do in different things, but we

1522
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: have to sit back and realize we're not just affecting

1523
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: our our lives and what people think of us. It's

1524
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: affecting me, you know, it's affecting those of us that

1525
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: look at it as as a lifestyle and a career.

1526
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: And probably people listening are thinking, man, here goes Mark

1527
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: again talking about this topic because I talked about a

1528
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: lost up a lot before. Uh huh. But I just

1529
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: think it's so important. I mean, I just think that

1530
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, in today's world, where we hunters are, you know,

1531
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: like less than five percent of the population in America.

1532
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: You know, we are at the mercy of the non

1533
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: hunting general public unfortunately. You know, it's a privilege that

1534
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: we're able to go out there and hunt and fish

1535
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,480
Speaker 1: and do these different things. And if if the perception

1536
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: of everyone on the outside is that we are not

1537
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: doing things the right way or that what we do

1538
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be acceptable by their standards. Well, we're

1539
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: going to lose that privilege. Whether we we like that

1540
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: fact or not, it's just kind of a reality. So

1541
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 1: I just think it's very important that we're careful about

1542
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: how we're perceived and how we represent ourselves. And um,

1543
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: I guess I'll probably keep preaching it till the day

1544
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: this show goes down the tube. Well that's that's the

1545
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, at the end of the day,

1546
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: all of this could go away tomorrow, you know, and

1547
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: and likelihood it probably will some day, you know. I mean,

1548
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's we just have it's up to us

1549
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: to continue to fight the fight and do the right

1550
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: things so that we can ensure that it doesn't you know.

1551
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: But um who else Absolutely, Well, I'm gonna try to

1552
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: pivot off of my people post here whatever I am

1553
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: up on the uh my, My last thing I was

1554
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of curious for you, Tim, was what's what's next

1555
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: for you? Like, what's your next bucket list hunt? What

1556
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: haven't you done that you really still want to do? Um,

1557
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to draw a sheep tag. I'd like to

1558
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: draw a mountain goat tag. Um, you know, that'd be

1559
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: that'd be nice to do before I get old, older

1560
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: and fatter. Um. I'm not one that wants to take

1561
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: away from my kids college fund to uh to go

1562
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: and and splurge on a sheep hunt. I'm just not

1563
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: going to do that. It's not that important to me. Um.

1564
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna keep putting in for for hunts

1565
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: and doing what I can. I went on a Barbary

1566
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: sheep hunt this year for the first time. I'll probably

1567
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,520
Speaker 1: go to New Zealand again. I'm hoping to get to Australia,

1568
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: you know. But there's there's so many do what yourself

1569
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: opportunities with some great people all across the country and

1570
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: all across the world that um, you know, there's a

1571
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: great community and opportunities a guy can go and hunt

1572
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: and experience different things without having to break the bank.

1573
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one thing that I've I've really

1574
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: pride myself on. Isn't that I'm not spending anymore on

1575
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: a hunt than Mark Kenyon would on that same hunt. Yeah,

1576
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: and more of those because of the career that I have.

1577
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 1: But I'm not out there booking hunts without fitters and

1578
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: doing high dollar hunts because I want to up my

1579
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: badassery factor. I'm doing hunts that I would be doing

1580
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: as you know, a middle aged father would do anyway.

1581
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: So those are the things that I enjoy and that's

1582
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: what I'll continue to do. But hopefully I can can

1583
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: expand expand on that a little bit. That's awesome. So

1584
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: what about for the show? What where do you want

1585
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: to take things next? What's what's in the future. I

1586
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: like the direction Solo Hunter has been, you know, um,

1587
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: the last several years. I think we'll continue to have

1588
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: that road. Obviously trying to do better at hunting and

1589
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: better at filming. UM. Last year I did a project

1590
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: with Prime and G five, hosting a show for them

1591
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: that we did on Sportsman Channel in Pursuit and a

1592
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: little mini series. Hopefully we'll be able to continue to

1593
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: do some of that because you know, I've have a

1594
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: lot of passions in life. Hunting is one of them,

1595
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of other things too. Um. You know,

1596
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: if I can break seventy on my golf game this summer,

1597
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: I'll be it's it's it's hunting is part of my life.

1598
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: It's not all of my life, and I'm grateful to

1599
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: have it, but there's a lot of things that I

1600
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: would like to continue to do as a you know,

1601
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: a goal oriented person, not just a hunter. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1602
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the progression and see how things

1603
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: continue to grow and loving what you've been doing so far.

1604
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: So for for people that want to either discover what

1605
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: you've been doing with Solo Hunter or get more of it,

1606
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: where can they find stuff online? So the website is

1607
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: probably the central location for everything as far as video

1608
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: out on social media links and that's solo hunter dot com.

1609
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: So there's there's two different website you know, you r

1610
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: l as a person can type in it's s O

1611
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: L O h N t R dot com, or they

1612
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: can type in the solo Hunter all spelled out dot

1613
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: com um or just google solo Hunter and command it.

1614
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's you will you'll not you'll not be

1615
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: able to not find it perfect. Well, that's easy enough.

1616
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to put links in this blog post

1617
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: for anyone that wants to check out the website. And

1618
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: you you're across most social media platforms too, right, Yeah, yeah,

1619
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: so Instagram is kind of where where all social media

1620
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: starts with me and then it kind of feeds into

1621
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter just gets whatever's left over. You know.

1622
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: It's like I say, social media is there too to

1623
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: uh have the connection with those that like what we do,

1624
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: and so we'll continue to do that. Um and then

1625
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: YouTube is is really also another kind of focus, just

1626
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: trying to get more good eos out, more so than

1627
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: just the episodes that we have, trying to expand that.

1628
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a if. Anytime you add

1629
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: another project, it's that much more time, that much more work,

1630
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: and it's gotta makes sense at the end of the day.

1631
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm not in this to have the most eyeballs on

1632
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: Tim Burnett and to to show how big of a

1633
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: stud Tim Burnett is. I'm in this, you know, as

1634
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: a lifestyle and as as a passion as well as

1635
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: a business. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Now, Yeah, I think

1636
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: you've got I know you have some of your episodes

1637
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if you have all. Do you

1638
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: have all of your episodes available online through vh X

1639
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: or just a certain number of them. Yeah. So vh

1640
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: X only has two seasons. The last two season season

1641
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: five and season six because it no, I've only had

1642
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: season six. I'm there, that's right. Um, YouTube has the

1643
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 1: last three seasons of episodes with an exception of the

1644
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: last it's kind of continued the last six of this

1645
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: last Fall. So when you when you're on the networks,

1646
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: you're under contractual obligation not to release any episodes until

1647
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: a certain time frame because of the their dealings with

1648
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: with the network providers. So if you go on YouTube,

1649
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: we're up to I think episode eight of last Fall,

1650
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: last season, so season six, episode eight is up there,

1651
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: and I'll be uploading episode of nine here another week

1652
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: or so. Well. Definitely good stuff to check out. And

1653
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: what about the new season? When's that premiering? When should

1654
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 1: we be looking for? That? Premieres on Outdoor channel June.

1655
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: So the show is on every Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday

1656
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: mornings at nine thirty am. I think the network might

1657
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: have must have a vendetta out against me because they

1658
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 1: took away my evening time slots and gave me all mornings.

1659
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all right, we'll show them. We'll crush

1660
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: the ratings again and you know, people, people will find

1661
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: the show if they like it. They're going to find

1662
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: it no matter when it airs. But you know, I'm

1663
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: not one of uh, I'm not a greasy wheel and

1664
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm not one of the favorites, so I don't get

1665
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: the awesome time slots. But hey, you worship is changing.

1666
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: You know, you'll see a lot a lot more digital

1667
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: stuff going on, and I think from everything I've seen,

1668
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: I think you're positioning yourself very well for the digital

1669
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: the move to digital that's happening more and more. That

1670
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: people find the stuff they like and they enjoy, and

1671
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: from everything I've seen and heard, I think a lot

1672
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: of people are enjoying what you're putting out there, So

1673
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I think the digital stuff will continue do well. I

1674
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: don't think people realize they've been on YouTube for almost

1675
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: ten years now, so that's really you know, it's been

1676
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: digital has been the only constant since since then. Pretty much. Yeah,

1677
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: great stuff, Well toon, this has been This has been fun.

1678
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. I think I learned a few

1679
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: things that will help me this fall, which I appreciate,

1680
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of our listeners have too.

1681
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 1: So so thanks for joining us. Thank you man, I

1682
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Let's definitely stay in touch and hopefully I

1683
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: have some good stories to tell the season. Yeah that

1684
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: sounds great. Good luck on your hunt. Thank you you too, Alright,

1685
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: so there you go. Before we shut it down, though,

1686
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: we do need to thank our partners who helped make

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Speaker 1: this podcast possible. So big thanks to Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge,

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Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntera, maps Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics,

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Speaker 1: and the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally,

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Speaker 1: thank you all for tuning in today. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this one and maybe you got the bug to

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Speaker 1: head out on an adventure of your own. So until

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Speaker 1: next time, thanks again and stay wired to Hunt