1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: listening to soft Reap Radio special operations, military news and 3 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. All right, 4 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: welcome to soft Rep Radio. I am your host rad 5 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: I have the total awesome pleasure of having a sit down, 6 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: chat and interview with Dr Robert Adams, surgeon, doctor, Navy 7 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Seal commander Delta Force Airborne, probably a good swimmer. Welcome 8 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: to the show. Well, thank you, sir, and don't forget 9 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: author of my wonderful three books, including the book on 10 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Hell Week, which we're going to talk about tonight. Yeah, 11 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: what a great segue right there. So last week I 12 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 1: talked with Jake's Wegg, who was one of the seals, 13 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: and we were talking about how you're supposed to lean 14 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: on your instructors. They're gonna take care of you to 15 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: the edge of death. And he's like, they're gonna push you. 16 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we had this Hell 17 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: Week happened, right, and he's like, they're gonna push it 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: to the end and see if you come back from that, 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: And what's your thoughts on what just happened at BUDS 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: today with those candidates. Well, it's an unfortunate obviously one 21 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: dead and one in the hospital, but it's it's in 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: a very very unusual experience for the Seal Training Command, 23 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: as well monitored as it is to have a death. 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: The first time there was a death during Hell Week, 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: I was actually an Army doctor in Fort Bragg and 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: was brought out through a friend of a friend to 27 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: look at the death that happened during Hell Week during 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: a winter Hell Week, by the way, but we were 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: able quickly to determine that was due to the gentleman 30 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: taking supplements, creating and a fed wridden bodybuilding supplements that 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: are extremely dangerous in endurance athletics, and he actually ended 32 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: up coughing up frothy blood, going to congestive heart failure 33 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: and dying well. And my visit at the time one 34 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: Star Admiral Eric Olsen and I. He looked at me 35 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: and said, ay, Doc, what do I do? And I said, 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: you ban all supplements from sil training serveit. That's your call. 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: A week later and ever since all supplements have been banned. 38 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: You can't will go to Mexico to get steroid shots 39 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: are illegal under the counter or anything, or it's an 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: immediate dismissal in the medical community follows everybody very carefully. 41 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Now that I've said that, I know these guys were 42 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: well monitored. I know what a winner Hell Week was 43 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: because in my book Six Days of Impossible, I described 44 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: my and my classmates winter Hell Week, and it's you know, 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: six days no sleep, soaking, wet, freezing, cold, shivering, uncontrollable 46 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: the entire time, and people go, well, that's impossible. I know. 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: That's why my books called six Days of Impossible. But 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, we all survived that. Nobody even came close 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: to dying. We hallucinated, we lost whole periods of our 50 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: days and weeks. Some people don't remember Hell Week at all, 51 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: but there were no death, and there's been a Hell 52 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: Week beyond hypothermia, I'd imagine, right, well, there is a 53 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: managed level of hypothermia. Yes, our body temperatres were checked 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: even with rectal thermometers just bless their little hearts, and 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: we noticed that the body tempers got below ninety. So 56 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: we were, you know, running around with core body temperatures nine. 57 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, you get so cold you'd stop shivering. But nowadays, 58 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: this was some time ago, and nowadays they're much more careful. 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: They know what the hypothermia limits are, how long it 60 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: cause day in certain degrees of water. So I'm taking 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: a long time to answer your question, and I hope 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: you don't mind. But it's because people think that Hell 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: we killed these men, and that's unlikely because it is 64 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: so well monitored and there's been a Winter Hell Week 65 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: for multiple classes every year for thirty forty fifty years. 66 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: You know, interestingly, there was a brief period of time 67 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: when the success rate of people graduating from Winter Hell 68 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: Weeks was so low, and for example, my class had 69 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: seventy start we graduated eleven. They said, you know, we gotta, 70 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: we gotta stop having Winter ell weeks, but they did. 71 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: They brought them back. And you know, as me and 72 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: my classmates clearly are an example of the very best 73 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: men graduate from Winter health class Hell Week classes. And 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: making a joke, yea, well, it is our it is 75 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: one of the harder but and I was just making 76 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: a joke for the benefit. Have any might see how 77 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: buddies might be listening. But so if if Hell Week 78 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: didn't kill him, and since his death occurred the day 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: after Hell Week was over, And you gotta understand when 80 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: Hell Week is over. You eat, you drink, you go 81 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: to bed, and you start to get your core body 82 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: temperature to warm back up again. You know, we spent 83 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: an hour probably in the hot shower, just letting the 84 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: steam roll around us and try to get the shivering 85 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: to stop. And then we went to bed, and you 86 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: wake up every hour or two sweating because your body 87 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: is confused that there's warm and doesn't understand your core 88 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: body temperatures has been so low for so long. But 89 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: it's a period of rest recovery. It's a good time. 90 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: So why would somebody suddenly dynam a physician? I know, 91 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: you said, Dr Bob, you know, command surgeon, Delta Force. Yes, 92 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: all of that, and also the position for eighteen weeks. 93 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: And so I always been fascinated and followed very closely 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: Navy Seal training and other special operations training, including Delta 95 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: Force when I was there. And there has to be 96 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: something else going on, because not just one person died. 97 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: If it was one person, you could say maybe congenital, 98 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: maybe it'll show up in the autopsy. But this is 99 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: two people. And I have an opinion without proof that 100 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: is based on my great unhappiness with the military chain 101 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: of command that is forcing COVID shots on everybody without 102 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: their consent in many cases, and there's been multiple reports 103 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: of cardiac problems associated with these shots. You know, you 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: have to understand that Hell Week occurs in the fourth 105 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: week of training, fourth week, which means that in this 106 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: training area for a month or two and shots, two 107 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: of them, maybe even a booster, are mandatory currently. So 108 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: what these two guys had in common with COVID shots 109 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: draw your own? Oh you think so? That is a commonality, right, 110 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: So if there is those involved, that is the only 111 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: commonality I can think of, And they're just pushing themselves 112 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: to the extremes after they got that. Huh, Well, I 113 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: mean everybody got a shot, probably because the Navy makes 114 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: it a mandatory and most you know, exemptions have been 115 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: denied across all the services. So when you're in a 116 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: period of rest, having already survived the hard part, you're 117 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: a day down, You've been sleeping, you've been eating, you've 118 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: been resting, and all of a sudden you die. The 119 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: only way a young man is gonna die as cardiac arrest, 120 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: congestive heart failure, heart related. As a general rule, you're 121 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: not going to have a stroke, you know, just these 122 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: kinds of things don't happen to young people, and it 123 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't happen to two people at the same time. 124 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: So you don't think it could have been like pre 125 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: existing conditions that mixed in with it. It's not like 126 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: they had pre existing symptoms, right, like you know, existed 127 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: prior to enlistment, because buds were they you know how 128 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: long after they were in the Navy already after they 129 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: got like all of their inoculations. Like when I was 130 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: in the Air Force, we went like what day three 131 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: and probably got all inoculated, and then the next morning 132 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: it was PT, right, you know, straight to PT. Everybody's 133 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: pushing themselves. A lot of guys were going down with 134 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, soreness in the arms and whatnot, you know, right, 135 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: because it takes it out of you from those initialnopulations, right, 136 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: and so and you're right, you may have gotten everything 137 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: at boot camp. I'm just trying to find what is 138 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: something that two people that are very, very sick in 139 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: a day of rest might have in common, and that 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: of course could be one of them, but it's never happened. Yeah, 141 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: and it is a commonality, right, I can't discredit that 142 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: at all. Either they would have that in common. So, 143 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's an interesting question that I have actually 144 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: ran up through the chain of a man. But it's 145 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: such a sensitive issue that nobody wants to publicly say, well, 146 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: we're looking into it, because then you got to come 147 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: up with an answer. Yeah, it's a crazy time. Now 148 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: can I ask you? Are you I got vaccinated? Are 149 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: you vaccinated yourself? I did choose to do the Johnson 150 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: and Johnson one shot vaccination because again I was required 151 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: to get it in order to travel to Europe on 152 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: a river cruise this last fall a few months ago. 153 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: So when I you know, you got no choice, you 154 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: gotta do it. I got the Johnson and Johnson also 155 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: back in April, and then I got the booster in December, 156 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: and then I tested positive just about two weeks ago. 157 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: If you will from my timeline, we're in like January. 158 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Had multiple PCR tests in December because I was around 159 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: exposure and you know, I didn't have any symptoms. I 160 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: was asymptomatic. I was waiting every day for the sore 161 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: throat to kick in, or I would swallow in the morning, 162 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: or I got mentally jacked up. I'm thinking I had 163 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: the COVID more than I think I even had the COVID. Well, 164 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting that the the CDC came out last month saying, hey, look, guys, 165 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: we're really sorry, but our PCR test can't tell the 166 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: difference between multiple viral illnesses, including the flu. So when 167 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: you get a positive COVID PCR test, it could be 168 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: a fluid, could be any one of the other viral illnesses. 169 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Should have mentioned that. That could explain 170 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: why last year not a single flu case was reported worldwide. 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: Oh really, that's never happened in the Yeah. Right, And 172 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: if you look at the back of li sol, it 173 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: does say coronavirus, you know, coronavirus. You know, I'm not 174 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: trying to come out there and say a thing. I'm 175 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: trying to take the necessary steps that I'm being taught, 176 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, like or what the best thing to do 177 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: is basing it off of you know, I'm my own 178 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: president in my own world. That's me, right, I don't 179 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: have to worry about like what's you know, that's just me. 180 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: And I finally know there's a little technical difficulty with 181 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the videos, so I'm not I hear you just finde 182 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: C just find so I'm trying to work out on 183 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: my hind Bob, But that is interesting to take that 184 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: into consideration, that they both did it. It's a question, 185 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: and I'm very much looking forward to the autopsy reports. Yeah, 186 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: but I do want to say this again, Hellwig did 187 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: not kill these men. Hellwig did not kill these men. 188 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: You know, because there's been since. You know, my hell 189 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Week was over forty years ago and it was a 190 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: winter week. Nobody died, and nobody's died since except for 191 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: the one I told you with creating. Yeah, right right, 192 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: but no, it just doesn't happen. Hell Week is harder 193 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: than hell and colder and stink, but it doesn't kill people. 194 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: So there's another reason, and they'll find it. Yeah, they'll 195 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: investigate this thoroughly, because you know, you have these young 196 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: men and women who give their perfect capable bodies up 197 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: front and then getting the military and they get out 198 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: and they're just not the same one way or another, 199 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and they trust their chain of command to take care 200 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: of them. And I think in almost all cases there 201 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: is a chain of command that's trying to do just that, 202 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: but sometimes they fail. Well, you know, nobody's perfect, and 203 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: if you know you're created, you know the greater guy's image. 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: Nobody's perfect, so all you can do is just strive 205 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: for perfection. Aircraft carrier runs around, yeah, yeah, you know, 206 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I'd say to segue into an aircraft carrier running into 207 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: the ground. Let me segue into like your airborne right, 208 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: that's jumping out of airplanes. You you have accomplished that task. 209 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: So my dad be an SF and jumping out of airplanes. 210 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: He had stories of maybe a bad night drop. Do 211 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: you have any stories of airborne drop that maybe win 212 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: a rye or that you walked away from going How 213 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: did I do that? Or buddy didn't? Oh my god, 214 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: you We don't have enough time for me to answer 215 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: in all the detail of all the many jumps that 216 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: have tried to kill me over the years, because I 217 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: was static line and free fall in the Navy Seals, 218 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: and I was on the Navy parachute team where we jumped, 219 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, the demonstrations, the smoke, jumping out your heels, 220 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: where you fly into the into the stadiums for the 221 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: football games. I had to pull my reserve parachute three 222 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: times in free fall. You know, nobody wants to have 223 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: to pull up, but that means your main shoot has failed, 224 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: and all three times it was like, oh, shoot came 225 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: that came out? Okay, I have a number of Army 226 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: related parachute jumps which Army tends to like to do 227 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: static line and let's to take the doctors and hook 228 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: a sixty pound equipment ruck to their bodies. And yeah, 229 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: so so you know, you jump out of the airplane 230 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: at twelve feet like you're looking down to see if 231 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: your feet are gonna hit the trees when you're when 232 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: your shoot opens. But then when you when you see 233 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: your get you know, as soon as you get open shoot, 234 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: you drop a line attached to your ruck and it 235 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: falls down forty below you. And most of them I 236 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: jumped in my you know, if I were to count, 237 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: have been night jumps and into the water a lot 238 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: in the seal teams. And if you don't, if you're dark, 239 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: you don't know when the ground's gonna hit you. And 240 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: so what you listen to is you'll listen for your 241 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: ruck to hit the ground. Here is boom. Okay, you 242 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: stand by here we go boom, and you hit the ground. 243 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: So you got your feet together, you got a good 244 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: body position, your roll. But sometimes you find a tree. 245 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you find a stump. Sometimes you find water. Some 246 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, some navy so friends of mine jumping at 247 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: night landed in three ft of water and drowned underneath 248 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: their parachute because it wasn't supposed to be water there, 249 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: and the shoot came down on top of them. And 250 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: that stuff happens right see. And there was a drop 251 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: out here in Utah one night. My dad and his 252 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: team were being dropped on a night jump and he 253 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: said he was about like eight nine feet and the 254 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: sea when thirty was at altitude, but it was over 255 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: a mountain. It was pitch black, and they didn't know 256 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: the mountain had the angle going down. So when the 257 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: guys jumped out, they jumped at altitude, but it was 258 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: the shoes were just like cigarette rolling or just hitting 259 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: it as they broke pelvis is and just you know, 260 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different feet got broken on. These are 261 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: some hardcore guys that put a lot of their life 262 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: into that. This is a training joke. You just triggered 263 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: me on a quick doctor parachuting story. When I was 264 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: at Delta and we were doing free fall parachuting and 265 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: a forty five year old senior staff sergeant Master Sergeant 266 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: pulled his free fall parachute at a hundred and twenty miles, 267 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: which is you know what you're supposed to be when 268 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: you pulled, and he snapped like at the end of 269 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: a whip, felt pain and his hips and was unaware 270 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: that he just snapped his hip into places. Flew his 271 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: parachute down to a soft landing in front of my medic. 272 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: But couldn't you know, felt the pain in his hip 273 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: immediately enrolled. You know, in a free fall parachute you 274 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: should be able to land it standing up easily. Medic 275 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: ran over and you okay, and he goes, no, fine, Doc, 276 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: you know I heard my hip. You know, well, let 277 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: me take you to the clinic. You know, Doc Adams 278 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: is there waiting for you. No, let me just go 279 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: do shoot shake out and I'll wander over to the 280 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: clinic when I'm done. And my medic, against his better judgment, 281 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: let him do it. So the guy shows up in 282 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: my clinic about an hour later, limping and tells me 283 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the story. I go, I think you broke the hip. 284 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Let's get an X ray and I have one of 285 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: my clinic. So and I made a mistake by taking 286 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: an X ray up against the wall, which we would 287 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: do for certain types of X rays at chest X 288 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: rays mostly, and took a picture of his hip and 289 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: it was fine. But I laid him back down and 290 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I did his exam and I could actually feel his 291 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: hip bones moving slightly. When you know I'm gonna sending 292 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: to the merge room, I think I still think he 293 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: broke yep, even though the X ray is good. So 294 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: the guy goes, no, don't make me do that. Let 295 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: me go home, And against my better judgment and his 296 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: years of experience as a jumper and listening to his 297 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: own body, I said, look really bad idea. It's five o'clock, 298 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: always five o'clock, end of the work day, and I 299 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: know what you don't want to do it. I'll let 300 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: my medic drive you home, and I'll let my medic 301 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: bring you back in the morning and we'll re examined. 302 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: I'm sending the merging room. Okay, deal. So fifteen minutes later, 303 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm putting on my jack and walking out the door. 304 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: My phone rings, going, Doc, he's dead. I went, ship, 305 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: excuse my French, you know are you are you? Are 306 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: you resuscitating him? He goes yes, yes, yes, hang on, hang, 307 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: And I think I have heart rate back again. He 308 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: had collapsed. I said, I know exactly what happened. He's 309 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: busted his pelvis. He's torn that big blood vessel that's 310 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: in the in the pubic synthesis and he's bleeding out 311 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: into his into his pelvis. I said, so call the ambulance, 312 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: which he did. He said, Doc, I could hear the 313 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: ambulance already coming. He's like, called you after I called 314 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: the ambulance, I said, good. So he uh, make a 315 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: long story short. May did to the hospital with the ambulance, 316 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: where they found his pelvis full of a basketball sized 317 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: blood clot and we're able to actually save his life 318 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: that evening without surgery because the pelvis tamponnage or blocks 319 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: off the bleed. It doesn't go up into the abdomen, 320 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: so you didn't bleed to death. And what makes that 321 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: story so interesting is he actually totally recovered the hip, healed, 322 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: and the orthopedic doctor sent him home back to Delta 323 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: Force with the instructions, here's some motor and take it 324 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: three times a day for patty. He's just tolder. He 325 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: does what he's told to do, and about a month 326 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: after this, he's healed he's working out in the field 327 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: and the same medic looks at him and goes, you 328 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: look bad. You're very pale. I said, you you feel okay? 329 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: You will. You know, I've been pooping black stools for 330 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: the last three days, but you know I'm taking the 331 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: motor and three times a day like they told me to. 332 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: So what he was doing was bleeding in turn only 333 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: from the motorn. As I heard me laughing, you knew that. Yeah, bam. 334 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: We put him in the hospital and three units of 335 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: blood transfused. And the reason I add that a little bit. 336 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: It's about two months later he comes back and says, hey, doc, 337 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: tom me favor and clear me to jump out airplanes again. 338 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: I need you know, doctor, clare me up. He has 339 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: an up jumper. It not on your life, young man. 340 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: You have five years you do. Almost died twice in 341 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: me And then he looks at me and he goes, 342 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: I kind of thought you were going to say that, yeah, yeah, 343 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: that's one. But that that type of guy does not 344 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: want is to have a seizure in his forties and 345 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: have to be out in from the military and broke 346 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the feet. They want to stay in you know, I 347 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: mean what He's like, please, Doc, I know I broke 348 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: my feet, but I can still shuffle. Yep. You know 349 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: it's a hundred and fifty bucks extra month if you're 350 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: jumping out airplanes. I want the money. I get it. 351 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: Don't do it. That's funny you say that. I'm gonna 352 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: tell you my dad in the back of the day, 353 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: he said, as a Green Beret active duty, and it 354 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: was two dollars and like thirteen cents and hours what 355 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: he figured his daily rate was. He's like two dollars 356 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: and thirteen cents an hour. I remember him joking around 357 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: the house. See, I got to grow up inside of 358 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: an armory that was stationed at a junior high here 359 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: in Utah. So Dad ran the armory, had all of 360 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: the equipment in there, and I just ran around, like 361 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: where's all the mock a case and whatnot? You know, 362 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: playing around with that. It's crazy, such a good time. Yeah, 363 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: but you know you want the money. You want the money, 364 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: let's jump pay. I'll tell you this is a totally 365 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: underlated comment, but you made me. Remember I ended up 366 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: going to Iraq with the eighty second Airborne Division and 367 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: I was a senior flight surgeon there and I had 368 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: a number of younger doctors that are flight surgeons that 369 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: are watching over our aviators, helicopter pilots, and they would 370 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: come to me periodically and go, hey, you know, sorry, 371 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: you need to get me on one of these metavacs 372 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: because I need to get my flight pay. Hi box 373 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: a month needy, and I went, wait, wait, wait, wait. 374 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: Every time I get on a helicopter they shoot at me. 375 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: There's tracers going by every time I got to where 376 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: I was sitting on my helmet, and I thought about it, 377 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: and I said, this is dumb. We're in an active war. 378 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: And I got girl women. This was a woman that 379 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: really made me think about it, asking to get on 380 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: a metavact just to write it so she could get 381 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: her flight time and get her a hundred fifty dollars 382 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: a month. And that night I sat down on roads 383 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: going on back home. Well, yeah, and there's a doctor 384 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: by the way you make it who wants the extra 385 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: hunter General. I got you. I wrote a letter to 386 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: the sword in general say it was Jim Peak at 387 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: the time. I said, sir, you know I'm I'm the 388 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: senior dock in the fielder and I got a problem. 389 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: I got docks wanting to jump on birds just to 390 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: get flight pay, and we're getting shot at every time 391 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: we go out, and I don't have a lot of 392 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: docks here. You need to wave the requirement a flight 393 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: time in a war zone. And he goes, oops, I 394 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: really never thought about that. During Next Day Order it 395 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: comes to certain general flight hours are a wave of 396 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: a war zone. I did that. I say, you did 397 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: a good thing right there. You just totally helped everybody. 398 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: That was a very nice thing for you. Very nice empathy, 399 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Dr Bob, common sense when you think about it. Now 400 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: check this out. Let's pull off a question that I 401 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: have on the internet. Here. Okay, I'm gonna say what 402 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: it is. It's um now right here. So Colton, he 403 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: says from Instagram, I got a couple from different places. 404 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: What do you recommend for training both medical and combat shooting. 405 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: Is there something that you find that for combat shooting, 406 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: something that you've learned in your training that you could 407 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: pass on. Yeah, I've got a little story about that. 408 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: When I first reported the Delta Force, they issued me 409 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: a world class caliber weapon and they said, you know, 410 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: go shoot it sighted in see how it does. And 411 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: so I said, all right, I'm gonna go down to 412 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: the range, and one of my medics heard me do 413 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: They said, I'm gonna come shoot with you, and so 414 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: we both went out and what are we gonna too? 415 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: I said, well, let's just shoot a standard two hundred 416 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: point qualification course. And you know, I've been a seal 417 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: before I was a doctor. So I had to shoot. 418 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: And I was really tickled by the fact that this 419 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: guy had been through the Delta Force shooters course. And 420 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: I fired a perfect two hundred and he fired a 421 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: one and I looked at him and I went ha ha, 422 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and he goes, all right, Doc, so you can shoot now. 423 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: We're shooting at twenty five yards, okay, and it's slow fire, 424 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: and you take your time and you aim every shot. 425 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: He goes, let's go up to seven and a half 426 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: yards and shoot at the same target, by the way, 427 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: which is about the size of a dessert plate. I 428 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: will hell, anybody can hit it from this distance. He goes, no, No, 429 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it different. We're gonna fire ten rounds 430 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: from a holstered position in five seconds with a clip change. 431 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you go first. I don't think I've 432 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: ever done that before. So I had a little timer. 433 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I go peep, He draws his weapon, fires bing bang 434 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: bang bang bang, drops clip reloads bang bang bang bang bang. 435 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: I go alright, three points and seconds, and I'm kind 436 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: of laughing to myself. You know, you just fired ten 437 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: rounds with a sclip change in three point seven seconds. 438 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: Let me go see if you hit anything. And so 439 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: the answer to your your this question is this. I 440 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: go up there and I look at the target and 441 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: they have there's a fifty cent size hole, all rounds touching. 442 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: And I look at him and go, how the heck 443 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: did you do that? And here is the answer to 444 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: your friends question. He looks at me and he goes, doc, 445 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: I put a lot of rounds down range. And that's 446 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: the bottom line. You know, you'll learning how to aim, learning, 447 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, getting the right grip, learning how to trigger, squeeze. 448 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: All of it is relatively easy to learn quickly, but 449 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: you want to be able to hit what you aim 450 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: at every time you do it. Put a lot of 451 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: range rounds down range. You can't learn it in an 452 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: hour or a day. You know, in Delta force, for example, 453 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: fires more rounds per year with lesson well, well, I 454 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: can't give a number, but it's a very small number 455 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: of small amount of group. Yes, small amount they fire. 456 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: They fire more bullets per year than the entire eighteen 457 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: thousand men eighty second Near Born Division fires. And guess 458 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: what they always hit what they aim at. I bet 459 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: you they have their lanes just weaving in and out. 460 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: That's you guys. That's just you guys. That's just you guys. 461 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I got some friends. You know, 462 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna drop there. I mean, they're great dudes 463 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: in their delta as well. And I've interviewed him in 464 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: the past and they chased Ben Lauden right on his heels. 465 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: You know, I just got stopped in Pakistan, couldn't go 466 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: any further when he was over there, and they were 467 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: like smoking teapot, you know, a cigarette butts right there. 468 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: Did you have any any crazy close missions like you 469 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: were just right there and or you just a little frustration. 470 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Well no, not really. I'm really proud to say that 471 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: as a Navy silver twelve years, nobody ever shot at 472 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: me in anger and I never on at them and anger. 473 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: When I started getting shot at, I was a doctor 474 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: in the second Airborne Division or Delta Force. That was 475 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: no fun at all, but I can say it was. 476 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: It was kind of fun. On the night that the 477 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: Delta Force guys pulled Sodom Hussein out of his hole 478 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: in Iraq, I was walking back from dinner. My phone 479 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: goes off and uh. The guy next to me picks 480 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: it up, and what he goes, Uh, stand by and 481 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: received DNA evidence on number one. We both look at 482 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: each other and go, we got Sodom who staying tonight? 483 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: That's cool you were over there for that situation. A 484 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. Sodomussan was the Ace of 485 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: Spades and a deck of cards of fifty and every 486 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: all the bad guys had were displayed on a card deck, 487 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and the Asia spage was Sodom as Sin and knows. 488 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: As they were killing off all the bad guys, they 489 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: mark off these cards on a fifty card deck. And 490 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: you know number one, I have cards. I have that 491 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: deck in my office. Goal I do, I do, It's 492 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: all sealed up. I just thought, I'm a collector, whether 493 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: it's baseball cards or basketball cards, and I saw those cards. 494 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: It's like you're in my collection forever. You've got a 495 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: collector's item. There absolutely no question about it. Yeah, no question, 496 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: and the top card is the Ace of Spades on 497 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: the bottom, so in the clear packets, sodom it is yeah, 498 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: exactly right, yes, yes, yes. Now Jen asked a question 499 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: off of Facebook. She says, what is the most mcgever 500 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: item that you had to use that was unauthorized to 501 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: save someone's life. You don't have a scalpel, maybe a toothpick, 502 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, you know, quite honestly, as a doctor, almost 503 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: anything you use is authorized. You know, if I grab 504 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: it and I use it, it's authodracts. I guess that's what. Yeah, 505 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: just what's the most unique thing you had to use 506 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: in a in a situation you're like, I gotta plug 507 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: this hole or I gotta all right, I do have 508 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: an answer to that question. It's a fascinating story, and 509 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: it's a chapter in my book Six Days Impossible. Navy's Hello. 510 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: We know it's not really it's a doctor book I wrote. 511 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: But there is a an event when I'm in Iraq 512 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: and I get a call at two o'clock in the 513 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: morning that an enemy combatant his en route to my 514 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: clinic for an ambulance transfer and he's he's been shot 515 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: multiple times in the chest, he's bled most of his 516 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: blood out, but he's conscious and talking to us. And 517 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: he shows him on our clinic and the previous doctors 518 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: had put a Subclavian I v in and put a 519 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: phemeral I v in. Both of them had come out. 520 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: You know, his arm was amputated and held on by 521 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: a tourniquet. And you know, I'm going, well, you know, 522 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: how are we going to save this guy? But it's 523 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: our job as Americans, you know, to save anybody American 524 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: or other once they become a patient. And the problem was, 525 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: I had a pediatriction with me and I said, hey, 526 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: he's lost so much blood. I can't get a vein. 527 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: You go find a vein. You can put a vein 528 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: in a baby scalp. Put a vein in this guy. 529 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: He couldn't do it. And so I'm thinking to myself, 530 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: what else do I have? And I sent my medic 531 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: quick run, get my advanced trauma life support book. Put 532 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: it between his legs because I'm gonna cut down on 533 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: his ankle, find a vein and do something I've only 534 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: trained in animals on and do do a venus cut down. 535 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: And we did that. We cut his ankle. We found 536 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: the vein, we threaded an I v in it, we 537 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: tied it off, turned on the fluids, and it worked. 538 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: And I went, oh my god, I actually did it 539 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: on a human being, you know. And I'm a family 540 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: practice doctor surgeon. What you mentioned is a title, not 541 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: not a professional thing I do for a living, But 542 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: that day I was kind of a surgeon. And by 543 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: the way that that young pediatrician went on the met 544 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: of act with him right through the middle of a 545 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: bad guy country, got him to the surgeons and he lived. 546 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: He didn't have his right arm anymore, but he lived. Yeah, 547 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: that's the main part is that he did. And I'm 548 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: sure that do you stay in contact with any of 549 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: these uh patients that you've had to work with, you know, 550 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: didn't even rememver reach out to you and say thanks doc. 551 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: We Oh not him? Yeah no, no, I mean, like 552 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: I guess, but I will tell you that the young 553 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: captain that did that very heroic middle of the night 554 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: ambulance transferred the bad guy country did it because it 555 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: was faster than taking the safer route. And he'll always 556 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: be my hero. And he was a young oh three 557 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: captain at the time and he's just retired as a 558 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: full bird colonel. And you know, for the record, Colonel 559 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: Craig Dobson, thank you for service to the United States 560 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: Army Medical Core. Yeah, thank you, Colonel Craig Dobson. We'll 561 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: say that one more time out there. That's awesome you Okay, 562 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Now here we go. This is from a young man 563 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: I know this one here. It's from Instagram. His name 564 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: is Mark and he is in the Guard. So he's 565 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: an Army wants to go SF and he says, good 566 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: habits to implement into my life to set me up 567 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: for success in my endeavors? Can you give someone like him? 568 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: And this guy is ripped right, I mean he works 569 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: out all the time. I see his post and he's 570 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: always flexing his back muscles and trying to get his 571 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: pecks to move all by themselves. So what do you 572 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: got for someone like that? Mark? Run more being able 573 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: to um climb up a rope bare handed, or push 574 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, two and fifty pounds until you her into 575 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: your shoulder. It's kind of fun in a piece time setting. 576 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: But when you go to a to go to any 577 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: of the Special Operations Forces, Navy Seals Delta, it's all 578 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: about endurance. And that's the key to success. Swim more, 579 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: run more, get rid of some of that excess bulk 580 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: because it doesn't do you any good on a ten 581 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: mile run. Hm. Well, there you go, Mark, And I'm 582 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: just gonna say, you know, I think he's a great dude. 583 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: And he's he's like when you see him, it's like, Hey, 584 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: that's who we want. But you're just telling him to 585 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: just maybe lean up a little more and get into 586 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: that endurance running marathon. And I'll say again, my dad 587 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: growing up watching him, he would run the St. George 588 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: Utah Marathon in the desert. You know, endurance running. That's 589 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: a constant thing. He'd go out and run with a 590 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: rucksack six miles about once or twice a week, in 591 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: addition to just regular runs that he'd go out on. 592 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: I'd ride my bike next to him and he'd have 593 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: airman at Hiller Force Base. You need to ride with 594 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: his rucksack. And he's like, I'm good. But Mark probably 595 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: weighs to twenty and at least twenty, but he doesn't 596 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: need Yeah. I think Mark is five ft five and 597 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: I think he comes in as I think he bulkes 598 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: up to try to make up for it. You know, 599 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: he can't run a five minute mile, averaging seven minutes 600 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: a mile, and he's carrying too much weight around. Okay, 601 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: you got that, Mark, I know you're gonna listen to 602 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: this on software. I'm stoked for that. Yeah, I get it, bro, 603 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: I want you to be the SF guy you're training for. 604 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: Let me see what else do we have here? Have you? 605 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's another question. So again it's another Have you 606 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: ever had to improvise a tool in the field. If so, 607 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: how'd you use it? Well, that's a relatively common problem. 608 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: You don't we don't have the right size needle, you 609 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: don't have the right type of ivy, you don't have 610 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: the right medications. You know. Tourniquets are really common improvised. 611 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: You know, you grab a stick, you grab some cloth 612 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: to wrap it around a leg, and you tighten it down. 613 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: Tourniquets are probably one of the more common of the 614 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: improvised you know, medical emergency devices, because it could be 615 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: torn from something or just you know, taken off of clothing, 616 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: or it's a right, it could be a bandana, it 617 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: could be something that could tighten a shoelace. Right, that 618 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: would be improvising. Bandana and a stick you got it 619 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: exactly right, or you can say, like if you had 620 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: to do a tracheotomy on somebody, you could probably use 621 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: like a pen to put into their to help with 622 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: their floor. So I don't know, I'm not the doc. Yeah, yeah, 623 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: well they did that on the Mash Show. Radar did 624 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: that on Mash. But we still had to make the cut, 625 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, still have to make the cut top drop 626 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: the pan off. It would work just fine. But as 627 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: far as personally, you know, not really. Now did you 628 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: play any sports in high school? Were you on the 629 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: track team or baseball team? I was a lacrosse player 630 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: and a wrestler. Interestingly, both of which have been proven 631 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: to be very good choices for sports if you want 632 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: to become a Navy Seal. I don't know why. It's 633 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: something about both the individual nature of those sports. And 634 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: ice hockey is another one that seemed to do very 635 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: very well from you know, being able to push yourself 636 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: individually and still be part of a team. But you know, 637 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I loved lacrosse. I played lacrosse high school, college, and 638 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: even after I went to the Seal teams, I was 639 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: on club lacrosse. Sure you just to love Did you 640 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: keep wrestling even into the Seals. Did you ever get 641 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: into these like little baby fight clubs they'd have in 642 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: the Cultural Hall or anything like that where they're like, hey, 643 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: come on, a wrestler was horrible. Wrestler only won one 644 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: match in high school and that was by accident. He 645 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: jumped from the top rope, right. Yeah, I thought he 646 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: had me, but I had him. Yeah, it was it 647 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: was fun. Oh that's awesome. Were you ever in the Scouts? 648 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: So I work with the Scouts all the time. There's 649 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: this troop here that we work with, and you know, 650 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: the young men are chasing eagles. Proud to say that 651 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: I was an Eagle Scout at fourteen years old, Order 652 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: of the Arrow and Brotherhood, gotten Country Award and every 653 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: other badge and beat. I could get fifth hike at 654 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: Filmont Scout Ranch, one batch in Maine. Sir. We just 655 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: had We just had Scouts come back from Filmont last year. Yeah. 656 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: I loved Filmont. It was just a absolutely amazing place 657 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: for a young man to have some independent opportunities to 658 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: be on their own and test themselves and the men 659 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: into the become men and like change. They got a 660 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: klondike this weekend. They're gonna go do the cold weather 661 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: survival here in the Utah Mountains and the Klondike. Huge 662 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: fan of the Scouts, And is there any young men 663 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: out there listening. It's also a tremendous preparation for all 664 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: of the military services. Yes it is, and we've got, 665 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: you know, a really good troop here. And that's good 666 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: to hear that you put that out there. And I 667 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: just wanted to hear them if they listen to this, 668 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: know that you know it's a positive influence. And also 669 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna enlist and you have that Eagle, it 670 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: typically gives you an extra stripe on that enlistment, so 671 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: you know it's like, hey, it's an edit added little 672 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: value bonus there. Yep, take it very seriously, guys. So 673 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: you retired from being a physician in two thousand and six, 674 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: Is that what I understand? And you're still practicing or 675 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: you missed a very cool part of this story, you 676 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I would just made commander in 677 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the seal teams when I took a scholarship to become 678 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: an Army doctor and had to start over again as 679 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: a second lieutenant. So I went from Navy a five 680 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: seal to Army second lieutenant medical student to go to 681 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: Wake Forest University on a fully paid ride. Thank you 682 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: very much, the United States Army. You know, I would 683 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: have stayed in the Navy, but the Navy offered to 684 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: be a three year scholarship and the Army offered a 685 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: four And at that time, at thirty six years old, 686 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: going to medical school, I had two kids, and that's no, 687 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: that's no cheap decision. So I ended up starting all 688 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: over again, working way my way back up at Fort 689 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: Bragg and multiple assignments to full bird colonel by two 690 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: thousand and six, and was able to retire and set 691 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: up private practice in the Raleigh, North Carolina area. But 692 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: it was a challenge one oh five, back to oh one, 693 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: back to the six. Yeah, I mean you go, because 694 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: I know five is a commander. Is that what I'm 695 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: understanding for the Navy, right, yeah? Exactly. A matter of fact, 696 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: the only picture I have with me in a commander's 697 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: uniform was my dress whites with my commander's hat with 698 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: scrambled eggs on the bill, holding my motioning certificate in 699 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: the Army as a second lieutenant because you and then 700 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: you so you started as a second lieutenant, which is 701 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: a butter bar or the yellow bar, and then you 702 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: go up to the silver first, and then you got 703 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: out as a colonel. But if you would have compressed that, 704 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: you should be Adamirald general sir something like that. Absolutely, dude, sir, dude, 705 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: I love to say that. Now, Dr Command or Colonel Bob, 706 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: you know which one? Do you know? You know that's awesome. Now. 707 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: You know, one thing that has been pushed on soft 708 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: reap is like, you know, getting outside for mental health. 709 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, there's always the question, you know, what can 710 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: we say to somebody that has PTSD or issues that 711 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: they've always you know, from dealing with combat stress or 712 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: just the military in general, or life in general, car accidents, 713 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: even traumatic injuries. You know, I snowboard, you know, do 714 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: you have a hobby? Is there something that you choose 715 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: to do mental health outside gets some oxygen? What do 716 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: you still do to maintain that? I think probably I 717 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: have the best be for mental health that there is. 718 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: I fish, I flat fish, salmon fish in Alaska lake fish, 719 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: and you know that's you know, quiet time in nature's 720 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: presence is probably the most relaxing hobby anybody could choose. Yeah, 721 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: and uh, that's again why I choose snowboarding as well. 722 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: Even on the lift with my wife, we're just quiet 723 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: and you just hear and see the crystals of the 724 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: snow and breathe in the cold air and you're just alive, 725 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: all these emotions going through if you can. Yeah, nature, definitely. 726 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: There's a number of veterans programs out there for those 727 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: that are dealing with the stresses of having served in combat. 728 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: One of which is outward Bound that offers free trips 729 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: in the nature for veterans. So there's any veterans listening going, what, yep, 730 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: it's free, give him a call outward Bound. Yeah, outward Bound, 731 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: that's awesome. And you know with Brandon on Software, but 732 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: he's taking veterans, you know, to Shaman a France where 733 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: he took hard charging snow and skiers and took him 734 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: on an experience of you know, helly skiing and helly 735 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: boarding where you know, they made a movie about it, 736 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: it's called Big Mountain Heroes. And you just see these 737 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: veterans just you know, enjoying the outdoorness nature. Of course, yes, 738 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: outdoors is about as therapeutic as it gets. Yeah, thrills 739 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: before pills. I understand that some of those things have 740 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: places in people's lives, you know, with extreme pain and 741 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,959 Speaker 1: what not to mitigate that. Do you find that there's 742 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: also any other remedies out there, like you know, what 743 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: about medicinal cannabis. What's your thoughts on that with people? 744 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: Are you for that? Like, you know, is there a 745 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: time of place? So I don't know how to answer 746 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: it because I entered the military to go to the 747 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: Naval Academy at seventeen years old, and uh really never 748 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: had a chance to try it personally. When I filled 749 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: out my security set questionnaire, the the investigative agent guys, 750 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: are you sure you want to put that answer down 751 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: because we're gonna do a light of your tests, you know, 752 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: like everybody can. Sorry I never did, But I've seen 753 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: people that have been very, very sick, particularly young people, 754 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: from the overuse of marijuana. But by the same token, 755 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: I've seen older folks that have had some tremendous benefits. 756 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: Some of my cancer patients that it it does help 757 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: with pain and it helps being able to sleep, because 758 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: you can't sleep, you can't heal. Now that there's the 759 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: gummy everything's you know, you can get the edible marijuanas 760 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: that are you know, becoming more and more legal and 761 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: more and more states to the point where very soon 762 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: it will be be there for everybody. So I can't 763 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: think of anything really bad, you know, again, with the 764 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: exception of significant overuse anything to write it's true. Ouse, Yeah, 765 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: except for snowboarding and fly fishing. I never did too 766 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: much of those things. So everywhere you go, do you 767 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: have a spotlight shining on you because you're so awesome? No, 768 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm an old, gray haired guy, you know. I just 769 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: get what I'm doing done. I will put a plug 770 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: in here though. Something exciting. I'm in Mexico right now 771 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: what I consider a medical mission of some historical significance. 772 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: There were thirteen men in our Seal Hell Week winter 773 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: class that graduating. There are not only nine of us 774 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: left alive, and four of those nine are coming here 775 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: to Mexico to help one of our classmates reverse his dementia. 776 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: There is a new treatment that is working. I'm watching 777 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: it happen before my very eyes. And this will be 778 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: a conversation in a month or two from now, where 779 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a conversation just about this new technology 780 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: that was developed in India came to Mexico. Will be 781 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: in the United States soon. But it's actually proving to 782 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 1: be able to reverse dementia. That's wonderful and that should 783 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: make you say, wow, yeah it is. It's a huge thing, dementia. 784 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: And it would that fall in with also like some 785 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's patients as well as you know or just mentioned, okay, 786 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: so they could be grouped together. Dementia is part of Alzheimer's, huh, right, Well, 787 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's is one of the dementia's. But you know this 788 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: is in my classmates case, it's traumatic brain injury from 789 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, multiple jumping out of airplanes and banging his head. 790 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: And he was a commanding author of a seal team 791 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan as his last DIDI, right, And it's the 792 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: same thing the football players are getting and rugby players 793 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: are getting. I think that's what it's called. We hear 794 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: them called ct s and ct is is another one 795 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: of the causes of dementia. And it's this company in 796 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: Mexico here as almost completely reversed international rugby stars with 797 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: you know, complete dementia and disability back again. That's that's awesome. 798 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: So well, you want to talk about it in the future, 799 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: that's yeah. Use everything you have in your head to 800 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: do that. You do that, my money's on you. If 801 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: you're the horse in the race, I got all my 802 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: money on you. So you do the best you can 803 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: do because that's stay. Yes, sir, you know it any time. 804 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I just want to say that, 805 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, we have had some time talking today, and 806 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: is there any book or anything that you would like 807 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: to tell me or tell us about. I know you 808 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: have like three books. You want to tell me what 809 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: those are real quick? Well tell you the first one 810 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 1: real quick, which is we've already mentioned twice the Six 811 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: Days of Impossible Navy Seal Hell Week A Doctor looks back. 812 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: That book is a true story of the four men 813 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: that are down here in Mexico, of the you know, 814 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 1: thirteen of us that made it through Hell Week training together, 815 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: and that was a labor love it. It's a true story. 816 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: The other true story I just published last year is 817 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,720 Speaker 1: called Swords and Saints, a Doctor's Journey, and it's about 818 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: my thirty five years of medicine. It tells that story 819 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: of doing the Venus cutdown in Iraq and then being 820 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: my time at Delta Force. But it begins as a 821 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: medical student and a resident and a young doctor, and 822 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: it kind of walks you through. You know, I delivered babies, 823 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 1: I did my own c sections. You know, it gives 824 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: you a up close and personal look at what it's 825 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: like to work as hard as you got to do 826 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: to become an MD. So for people who want to 827 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: be doctors, do it, and who can also run and 828 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: carry a rucksack and do a PLF and have empathy 829 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: or the enemy wounded, and all the military doctors can 830 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 1: do that. You know, you have so many switches that 831 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: you can control, sir, like you are able to you 832 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: the first, second, third, fourth walls don't even exist with you. 833 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know I'm just I'm 834 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: proud of you, so thank you for that, but equally 835 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: proud of all the doctors and men and women I've 836 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: starved with over the years. Yeah, I mean, and I 837 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: to say this as they're almost as a closing comment. 838 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: Maybe seal training creates a brotherhood that is doesn't exist 839 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: many other places in the world. And I went through 840 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: seal training forty five years ago, and we all know, 841 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: the surviving nine members of our class all know where 842 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 1: each other are. Are, All here are all rooting for 843 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: what we're doing here. And can you imagine being able 844 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 1: to put an email out and saying I need three 845 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: more guys to come to Mexico to help out our 846 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: classmate reverses dementia, and without hesitation, there's four of us 847 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: and we're doing it. That's a brotherhood that is rare, 848 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: as Henstein, and I'm quite in awe of having friends 849 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: of that at that level. You know, it is to 850 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: what I would imagine that it is, you know myself, 851 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: just growing up with that family, that community. I just uh, 852 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: I want to see the other way, you know. And 853 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: that's a great closing piece to say right there. And 854 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 1: and again, I'm really happy to have gotten to interview 855 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: with you, and I would like to reach out to 856 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: you more and have you more on the show as 857 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,439 Speaker 1: you know, maybe even a featured guest, more questions coming 858 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: in and we'll just put it out there on software radio. 859 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: And again, Dr Bob Adams, I'm grateful to have you 860 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: on the show, and thanks a lot for being on 861 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: the show. You're awesome, You've done, You're right, thank you 862 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: for taking the time. You're very welcome and joined, and 863 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: many prayers and positive vibes to your friend bless things. 864 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: See you, sir, Thank you, bye bye. You've been listening 865 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: to self red Radio