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Speaker 3: For more information. Welcome to the Solid Verbal come.
Speaker 2: That for me.
Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy? For day A
Speaker 2: to state? Is that?
Speaker 3: Whoom whoom and down and tie.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Burbo boys and girls. My
Speaker 2: name is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me.
Speaker 1: As always over there and beautiful, still wintry, still.
Speaker 2: Very fatherly New York City. My man Dan Rubistet, Sir,
Speaker 2: how are you, Ty?
Speaker 3: I'm wonderful.
Speaker 2: I'm really truly glad you asked. I just got a haircut.
Speaker 2: Oh feels it feels great to do something for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, especially right now. I would imagine.
Speaker 2: So so I would connect with you to show you
Speaker 2: the haircut.
Speaker 3: But I think that might be a bridge too far. Yeah,
Speaker 3: did you go? Do you go barber shop? What do
Speaker 3: you do? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I go to a barber shop. It was I used
Speaker 2: to go to a salon tye. Yeah, I used to
Speaker 2: go to Really kids, so you can't you can't do
Speaker 2: that or eight kids. I looked up barber shops in
Speaker 2: the area on YELP. Tie here we are here.
Speaker 3: I don't go. I don't go the full.
Speaker 2: A lot of people will go that full real closely cropped,
Speaker 2: almost shaved side.
Speaker 3: Look the maclamore right. Not for me. Not.
Speaker 2: I cannot pull it off. I know he would probably
Speaker 2: behoove you too with the main that you need shearing
Speaker 2: on top of your head, but it doesn't work from
Speaker 2: my head shape.
Speaker 1: What what size guard do you go with on the
Speaker 1: side of your head?
Speaker 3: All scissors? Tie? I want mertisanal work. Oh yeah, all scissors?
Speaker 3: You pay extra for that? No?
Speaker 2: Same price? Same price? Tie, it's March, March.
Speaker 3: I go a number three on the sides. That's not bad.
Speaker 3: You ever pushed it to two?
Speaker 2: I have pushed it to two Mammy too much. That
Speaker 2: two is a little too much, a little too much.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something, Tie. Not only is it
Speaker 2: March and we're beginning shows with haircut talk, I really
Speaker 2: desperately wanted to talk news, news, and like the big list,
Speaker 2: we have new bowls in twenty twenty in terms of alignment.
Speaker 2: The Mountain West is no longer going to be in
Speaker 2: the Vegas Bowl, but they'll be in the new LA Bowl,
Speaker 2: which is in the new Rams Chargers Stadium.
Speaker 3: I believe they'll line up for that, sure, not uh yeah.
Speaker 2: And the Vegas one is going to be in the
Speaker 2: Vegas NFL Stadium, Okay, all right, putting pack twelve teams
Speaker 2: in NFL.
Speaker 3: State college football venue. Sure.
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly wants to retire a Notre Dame coach. Okay, yep,
Speaker 2: not not much. So we're just going to ignore news.
Speaker 2: There's just not much worth talking about. We still have
Speaker 2: a couple more autopsies left. I believe, Yes, we have
Speaker 2: two pack twelve Big ten Rose Bowl schools.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk about that today. No, it
Speaker 2: had been basically too long since the Patriot League Lightning Rounds,
Speaker 2: where I get to use all sorts of interesting adjectives.
Speaker 2: So I figured we pick up people along the way. Ty,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody just wants college football podcast to listen
Speaker 2: to its week seven and boom, we're talking about Keem Butler,
Speaker 2: We're talking about Cliff Kingsbury potentially getting fired and going
Speaker 2: to USC And that's it's amazing that you just jump in,
Speaker 2: you grab a hold, and we're your new pals.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what we what we do here.
Speaker 2: But if you look at the logo under the solid verbal,
Speaker 2: it says Ty Hilton Brandt, Dan Rubins, it's right. And
Speaker 2: we could, yes sound self important by saying let's talk
Speaker 2: about us, but it's a podcast you already know are
Speaker 2: self important, so you already know that's the direction we're
Speaker 2: going in. But if you want to know the history
Speaker 2: of the show, if you're new to the show, you
Speaker 2: can just google it. We did an entire, what pushing
Speaker 2: two hour episode.
Speaker 3: Big big show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lost my voice, remember I had vocal issues
Speaker 1: after doing the show.
Speaker 3: Left it all on the field. You injured yourself.
Speaker 2: But if people that are relatively new to the show
Speaker 2: want a point of reference about us as college football fans,
Speaker 2: Tie is of course a Notre Dame fan. I am
Speaker 2: an Oregon fan. But what gets us going? Why do
Speaker 2: we love the sport? Not the pageantry, not the tradition,
Speaker 2: forget all that, the literal sport itself. Tie, I do
Speaker 2: not like We'll sprinkle in some characteristics of our love
Speaker 2: for college football here and there, but we really haven't
Speaker 2: drilled down on what really really gets us worked up
Speaker 2: about college football football wise, what gives us, what gives
Speaker 2: us the vapors? Yes in a college as a buried,
Speaker 2: g rate g g way, grated, g rated way.
Speaker 3: Of saying that, yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, you hear this a lot in the
Speaker 1: podcasting world as it relates to comedy podcasts, because there's
Speaker 1: a million of them and everyone's a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and it's important if you're trying to find a comedy
Speaker 1: show that speaks to you, that you listen and try
Speaker 1: to identify with the sensibilities of the hosts. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what we're trying to do here. We realize
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we connected with some new
Speaker 1: listeners and newer listeners, and we wanted to try and
Speaker 1: communicate our sensibilities. Just as it relates not to the
Speaker 1: media aspect of college football, not to not to anything
Speaker 1: other than the product.
Speaker 3: We see on the field. So that's what we've got
Speaker 3: here tonight.
Speaker 2: Yes, what gets our hearts raising, what gets our our
Speaker 2: football pants nice and tight? Right, So we've got a list.
Speaker 2: We've got a list here, get hot in here. We've
Speaker 2: got a list here. I'm on one side, you're on
Speaker 2: the other. We made these independent of one another, and
Speaker 2: I was pleased to see that there was a lot
Speaker 2: of overlap. Yes, a lot of overlap here, a lot
Speaker 2: of ven diagrams that we need to work through and
Speaker 2: talk through over the span of the next sixty minutes
Speaker 2: however long this goes. Really it's free content. That's where
Speaker 2: we're headed tonight. So I would like you to set
Speaker 2: the mood, if you will tie, and in reference to
Speaker 2: what we're talking about, Like an example would be, everybody
Speaker 2: likes the large man touchdown, right, there was an award.
Speaker 3: About that that got touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so we are going to go many many
Speaker 2: steps further of just things that happened during games that
Speaker 2: I think the kids on Twitter say, like inject that
Speaker 2: into my veins, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So you will tie, I'm going to play this. I
Speaker 1: don't know how this is going to go.
Speaker 4: Balding, urs, foul hands to the face, not necessary roughnessial touching, neutrals,
Speaker 4: out fraction, sportsmanline, god.
Speaker 2: Dot oh boy, Dan, oh boy, really went skinemax with it?
Speaker 3: Tie.
Speaker 1: How much time did you spend making that? Marilyn Chambers
Speaker 1: bedtime drop for our lovely podcast from where We Talk College.
Speaker 2: Football shout out Bikini car Wash. Not that it did
Speaker 2: not take that long a time. I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: what sort of song and musical number can we use
Speaker 2: to go into our love of what gets us going
Speaker 2: in college football? And three seconds later, uh, for better
Speaker 2: or worse? All right, that's the direction they say. March
Speaker 2: comes in like a lion, Dan, and they weren't kidding. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, give me something that gets you hot and bothered?
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start at the very top of my list
Speaker 1: what I love and what gets me hot and bothered
Speaker 1: in a college football since I love when wide receivers
Speaker 1: catch a screen pass, or even when they catch a
Speaker 1: pass ten yards down the field and they decide that
Speaker 1: it would be better to run east and west. About
Speaker 1: seventy five yards than to just run north and south
Speaker 1: to gain four. So we've got this long drawn out
Speaker 1: play with way too many jukes. A guy runs a
Speaker 1: total of about seventy five yards for roughly a four
Speaker 1: yard game.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a brand new line about this,
Speaker 2: right there was this isn't high school. This isn't high school,
Speaker 2: Like there wasn't that home on a Saturday night. I
Speaker 2: have no idea, yes, but there's something very high school
Speaker 2: about thinking I can run horizontally and find a crease
Speaker 2: and it just doesn't work in high level college football.
Speaker 2: And this one has a bunch of cousins, right that
Speaker 2: has the punt returner trying to go backwards. Yep, it
Speaker 2: has on a reverse trying to reverse the reverse where
Speaker 2: everybody in the stadium stadium knows something is feudile. I
Speaker 2: love it so much. I think this is dead on.
Speaker 2: This is such a lovable aspect of college football. Thinking
Speaker 2: every play can be a touchdown. It gets me going
Speaker 2: to ty well.
Speaker 1: And you used to be full disclosure again, you can
Speaker 1: go back to the history of the solid verbal show.
Speaker 1: You used to be a Florida State fan. I did, yeah,
Speaker 1: in your in your very early days of being in
Speaker 1: college trip oflef and you're a Florida State fan, And
Speaker 1: was it Peter Warwick?
Speaker 3: Who was your dude? Peter Warwick? Yes?
Speaker 2: And there are certain the the one percent of the
Speaker 2: one percent can pull it off. The d' Anthony Thomas
Speaker 2: and the oh god, I'm what's his name, Percy Harvin's
Speaker 2: who have just such electric playmaking ability that they're able
Speaker 2: to make something out of nothing because they can get
Speaker 2: to a corner faster than anybody everybody else.
Speaker 3: Right. See that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you can find a ron Dale Moore out
Speaker 1: there who can pull something like this off, a trendon
Speaker 1: holiday type, but other times it's just a little too
Speaker 1: much horizontal and not enough vertical. You've got a cousin
Speaker 1: here listed on your list as well that we do
Speaker 1: a few cousins, a few cousins, so the big family
Speaker 1: on your list. This is one of those items where
Speaker 1: we I think have some alignment. Too many jukes after
Speaker 1: a swing pass, oh the best and a guy just
Speaker 1: getting tackled on the spot.
Speaker 2: Okay, running backs out in the in the slot? Is
Speaker 2: he going is it going outside? He's going inside? Oh
Speaker 2: he's faking outside, Oh a fake inside. He's gonna go Nope,
Speaker 2: what faked outside? He's going in, so he must be
Speaker 2: going inside. Now up, He's just tackled for a loss
Speaker 2: of one, and that's right.
Speaker 1: And also the running back who decides to run backwards
Speaker 1: out of a sure thing forward progress whistle and he
Speaker 1: loses unnecessary yardage.
Speaker 2: It's the best. It is so good, and it is
Speaker 2: one of the most secretly painful things if it happens
Speaker 2: to your team, where it's like, oh, it was a
Speaker 2: great run. Stuff, they got him three yards behind that No, no, no,
Speaker 2: oh god, it's an eleven yard loss. And I think
Speaker 2: people listening have immediate names that come to mind of
Speaker 2: the like far too horizontal, far too juky, far too
Speaker 2: running out of the forward progress whistle, and it is maddening.
Speaker 2: But if I'm watching a random Oklahoma Iowa state game
Speaker 2: and I don't really care who wins, oh.
Speaker 3: Is it just art? Tie? It is just art.
Speaker 1: This to me speaks to the excitability of college football,
Speaker 1: the raw potential of college football, everyone's love for that
Speaker 1: big game breaking play, and also the very nature of
Speaker 1: the college game where you've got a lot of immaturity
Speaker 1: and a lot of folks out there thinking that they're
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love this. I love when this happens. Hopefully
Speaker 2: not to my team, but it always makes a game
Speaker 2: a little bit more exciting. I am, by the way,
Speaker 2: very guilty in rec league basketball. Off too many jukes
Speaker 2: on a fast break up going left, going right, jukes. Huh,
Speaker 2: I'm just pulling up, just pulling up.
Speaker 3: You have trapped me.
Speaker 1: I'm retired from basketball, but my move was always to
Speaker 1: go and bury myself in the corner and try and
Speaker 1: pop a three. As you know, I'm not, I'm not
Speaker 1: exactly playing the post up game with my basketball skills.
Speaker 3: Are you a good shooter at least? Not really?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, so you're just scared of contact. Is that's
Speaker 2: your roundabout waist?
Speaker 3: I think so? I think? So okay, moving one going,
Speaker 3: what do you have? No, it's your turn, Oh it's
Speaker 3: my turn. Okay.
Speaker 2: I love a good failed trick play. Oh that's okay.
Speaker 2: That gets me sweaty tie. And this encompasses a lot.
Speaker 2: So this could be a statue of liberty. It could
Speaker 2: be a double pass, it could be reverse, a flea flicker,
Speaker 2: a fake field goal, a fake punt. And there's cousins
Speaker 2: to these as well.
Speaker 3: Like the.
Speaker 2: A fake field goal that is executed perfectly and then
Speaker 2: the kicker throws it six yards short of the intended target.
Speaker 2: There's so much good in a failed trick play. And
Speaker 2: the cheese at Bowl, we had the double pass, double
Speaker 2: pass forward pass.
Speaker 3: I still don't fully understand that.
Speaker 2: So they were throwing it to the sideline, I believe,
Speaker 2: and you have to throw it a little bit backwards,
Speaker 2: so it's a lateral but he threw it a yard forward.
Speaker 2: Then they threw it forward again on the double pass.
Speaker 2: It's tough, but the you know, the the flea flicker fumble,
Speaker 2: difficult to say, the double pass which ends up with
Speaker 2: like a receiver throwing it, but it's slipping out of
Speaker 2: the receiver's hands and they have to now go back
Speaker 2: and say, like was his hand moving forward without anybody
Speaker 2: defending him. All of these things and I am pro
Speaker 2: trick play, I am pro fakes, I am pro punters
Speaker 2: just getting creamed because they went the wrong way on
Speaker 2: a fake fake punt. It's there's just something about it
Speaker 2: where it's just like it's also one of those things
Speaker 2: where the announcers will say, like got too cute, got
Speaker 2: too cute. But if it works. It works, and it's
Speaker 2: just for me to quote Jimmy World, it is heaven.
Speaker 1: I want to unpack this a little bit, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to call attention to the fact
Speaker 1: that you specifically mentioned a failed trick play, a failed
Speaker 1: trick play. Why does a failed trick play get the
Speaker 1: specific call out here and not as successful?
Speaker 2: So successful trick plays are great, They're irrefutably great, but
Speaker 2: there is something about a failed trick play in in
Speaker 2: practice You're like, Okay, we spent a little bit extra
Speaker 2: time drawing something up, and this is we're going to
Speaker 2: pull out it, pull it out in the exact right
Speaker 2: situation that so many things have to go into it,
Speaker 2: that there's just something chaotic that doesn't exist in it's
Speaker 2: third and eight. We're going with like a pass up
Speaker 2: the same Oh, it was a little bit too far
Speaker 2: and it's a failed play. But with a failed trick play,
Speaker 2: the chaos potential. Somebody who's not used to throwing it
Speaker 2: has to throw it. Somebody who's not used to running
Speaker 2: it has to run it. Somebody who has to generally
Speaker 2: kneel and catch a snap for a hole is suddenly
Speaker 2: rolling out. There's so many new mechanisms involved with a
Speaker 2: trick play that when it goes wrong, you get somebody
Speaker 2: running so fast and they've never run fast in a game.
Speaker 3: They just trip. They just trip. And I love the
Speaker 3: novelty of that.
Speaker 1: So we're talking, we're talking in Ocean's eleven caliber. Yes,
Speaker 1: scheme that needs to be executed to perfection.
Speaker 2: It's a what's what is? It's the Rube Goldberg machine? Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that you know there are so many new parts that
Speaker 2: need to align perfectly that when one thing goes wrong.
Speaker 3: It's a catastrophe. Okay, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean we see it with high stakes moments in
Speaker 2: Georgia and the SEC championship game. Okay, we see it
Speaker 2: with no stakes moments, and it's just all things are
Speaker 2: equal to me. It could be an Naia fake punt
Speaker 2: gone horribly awry. You remember the old The Colts had
Speaker 2: the terrible fake punt. A couple of years ago in
Speaker 2: the NFL, we had what was it a Miami Arkansas
Speaker 2: State game where there was the punt coverage team faked
Speaker 2: falling forward to his death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 2: There's just okay, you're opening up a realm to a
Speaker 2: world that nobody's fully prepared to look at Okay, I
Speaker 2: love it, so I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to call out.
Speaker 1: Two specific things here that I don't believe you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Oh you danced around one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first is you talked about the wide receiver pass,
Speaker 1: something that I always get a good chuckle out of,
Speaker 1: and maybe someone's done the numbers on this. I would
Speaker 1: love to know the percentage of wide receiver passes or
Speaker 1: the wide receiver has the wherewithal to realize you probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't throw.
Speaker 3: It, tuk and run.
Speaker 1: It's got to be like ten percent of the time
Speaker 1: because those guys always want to throw it a lot
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 3: Are high school quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: A lot of times it's their moment, right they feel
Speaker 2: like they can genuinely make that throw and the wide
Speaker 2: receiver forcing the ball into triple coverage. Again, if it's
Speaker 2: my team, it's not something I'm into, but just as
Speaker 2: a casual observer, it is something that gives a game
Speaker 2: a little more flavor. Cousin of that is surprise left
Speaker 2: handed receiver. Surprise left handed receiver where you just assume
Speaker 2: everybody's right handed, or there's just an overwhelmingly good chance.
Speaker 3: That everybody right about that.
Speaker 2: Well, how many left handed quarterbacks are there in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I don't think there are any, right, not that I
Speaker 2: think that Kellen Moore was the last one. Tua will
Speaker 2: be next, not this year, but in the next draft,
Speaker 2: so in two years, in twenty twenty. But there is
Speaker 2: something disorienting and the two I remember, I remember Antonio
Speaker 2: Brown and des Bryant. I remember Dez Bryant very well,
Speaker 2: and it was like it was like hearing an actor
Speaker 2: who does a very good American accent on a TV
Speaker 2: show and then you see him on a red carpet
Speaker 2: and they're just like it was fun season, wasn't it,
Speaker 2: And You're like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3: Everybody on the wire.
Speaker 2: British, there's something wonderfully disorienting about it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: The other that's so true, Oh my gosh. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I would add, i'd bolt on top of this,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not so much a failed trick play,
Speaker 1: though they often do fail. The class of trick play
Speaker 1: that we also need to call out here.
Speaker 3: You know, those.
Speaker 1: Ones where it's extreme misdirection and we've got a guy
Speaker 1: who is literally trying to hide in the painting of
Speaker 1: the end zone. Yep or right along the sidelines, or
Speaker 1: maybe even laying down on the numbers along the side
Speaker 1: of the field to try and blend in so that
Speaker 1: people don't see him. Or even if it's not that extreme,
Speaker 1: where you've got two punt returners back and one is
Speaker 1: waving his hand for a fair catcher, acting like it's
Speaker 1: going to him when it's actually going to the other side.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful.
Speaker 2: That's sort of that's a little bit different. That's a
Speaker 2: little bit different. But it's a cousin, right, It's it's
Speaker 2: the half cousin. And I would add the like a
Speaker 2: field goal with a guy running off the field, but
Speaker 2: he's the eleventh guy and he stops right before the
Speaker 2: sideline and there's nobody out there.
Speaker 3: Same same genus. Yes, do we.
Speaker 2: Think and I would love to see the footage if
Speaker 2: it exists. Do we think on the end zone the
Speaker 2: camouflage end zone when you know a Boise State player
Speaker 2: is in a blue end zone or that's a bad example.
Speaker 2: I think we had a TCU player in the Ohio
Speaker 2: State game attempt it. Do we think pregame there is
Speaker 2: like a secret run through where that player, whoever it was,
Speaker 2: Jalen Rager, I forget who it was, goes with like
Speaker 2: the special teams coordinator to that pylon area and they
Speaker 2: just say, this is the zone lay down real quick,
Speaker 2: let's run through it. Because if we're running through plays
Speaker 2: and we're going through the first team offensive line, second
Speaker 2: team offens line, whatever, during during the walk through before
Speaker 2: the game, do you think there's that moment.
Speaker 3: Like this is the corner, this is the move.
Speaker 2: Act, stretching, active push, the zuppruiter of that pregame walkthrough
Speaker 2: because it's such a the the trying to camouflage slash,
Speaker 2: make it seem like you're not on the field for
Speaker 2: a play, but actually our trick play. I would take
Speaker 2: home after a first date. I would probably introduce to
Speaker 2: my parents after like a week. I am so all.
Speaker 2: I am head over heels, sweating, need a cold shower.
Speaker 2: That is That is George Costanza. I think it moved
Speaker 2: territory right there. Whether it works or not, the gumption
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a player here, maybe there's not, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It is so great. I cannot get enough. All right,
Speaker 3: that was good.
Speaker 1: That was I feel like we unpacked a lot there
Speaker 1: and we actually made progress as people.
Speaker 2: Yes, we absolutely did and it's you know what we are.
Speaker 2: We are football sex positive. Right, Okay, I'm gonna go yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: why not?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, my yes, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: defensive player who does an elaborate dance after sacking the
Speaker 1: quarterback despite his team being down twenty one points.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am gonna say that this to me, and
Speaker 2: you can explain it further, is a positive, no matter what.
Speaker 3: I would agree, go on, I would.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying
Speaker 2: an ironic positive. I'm saying it is a genuine positive
Speaker 2: for me, no matter when it happens. Please explain your
Speaker 2: love for it.
Speaker 1: My love for it stems from I think, my visceral love,
Speaker 1: my raw love for college football, just as something that
Speaker 1: brings us all joy. Everybody knows when your team is
Speaker 1: down three scores, you shouldn't be out there doing any
Speaker 1: kind of celebratory dance.
Speaker 2: Act like you've been there, act like you've been there before. Scoreboard,
Speaker 2: you know what are gonna say. But if you're a
Speaker 2: fan of that team, or if you're just watching the
Speaker 2: game without a rooting interest, to just have someone out
Speaker 2: there on the field who is at least feeling joy
Speaker 2: with something in this game, because by that point, look
Speaker 2: it's a blowout, game's over. That to me is fun
Speaker 2: to watch. And there are many cousins of this. By
Speaker 2: the way, this isn't the only thing that kind of
Speaker 2: falls into this category. But I am all about the
Speaker 2: elaborate celebratory maneuvers after a touchdown, after a sack, win,
Speaker 2: the game is still close, after a pass breakup, I
Speaker 2: am all about it. I don't care about the personal fouls,
Speaker 2: the excessive celebration, and now the taunting less team unless
Speaker 2: it's my team. Let's be clear, I don't care about
Speaker 2: the taunting. For the most part. I am all for this,
Speaker 2: have fun when you're out there. But the elaborate sack
Speaker 2: dance down about three scores, to me is extra special. Well,
Speaker 2: the other thing is so defensive ends the metrics we
Speaker 2: have for them. We have tackles for a loss and
Speaker 2: we have sacks, and there are places like our friends
Speaker 2: at Pro Football Focus that do pressures or hurries stuff
Speaker 2: like that that those are not household statistics, at least
Speaker 2: not yet. And so you say somebody is leading the
Speaker 2: nation in sax, you mean, like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: an incredible a feat that is pretty much incomparable defensively,
Speaker 2: where it's just like there's one guy who leads the nation.
Speaker 2: Sacks are super hard, and this guy does it better
Speaker 2: than anybody else. I just looked it up online because
Speaker 2: I'm great at the internet. Tie ygm Etre gross Matos
Speaker 2: consider to be what a top level pass rusher in
Speaker 2: college football. Sure, he finished with against Big ten teams,
Speaker 2: big ten plays, I believe nine teams in their conference schedule.
Speaker 2: Now he finished with six and a half sacks against
Speaker 2: Big ten teams, which again I went to a state school.
Speaker 2: My math indicates that's fewer than one a game, and
Speaker 2: he is considered among the best at this specific statistical accomplishment.
Speaker 2: And it's less than once, fewer than once a game.
Speaker 2: And so down twenty one, down forty seven, up twenty seven,
Speaker 2: you're trying the entire If you get won a game,
Speaker 2: you're all timer. Yeah, and so you just you got
Speaker 2: to you gotta celebrate when you can tie. You can't
Speaker 2: let one go to waste. I will take it every time.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the cousins. Yes, my my truly favorite
Speaker 2: cousin of this is when a safety and there was
Speaker 2: a safety for organ who was so great at this?
Speaker 3: JD.
Speaker 2: Nelson safety gives up a twenty seven yard pass on
Speaker 2: third and twenty one, and big hit receiver holds on.
Speaker 2: Big hit guy pops up and celebrates. That's right, you
Speaker 2: don't come over the middle. He just he just completed
Speaker 2: an explosion play in a crucial situation that you did
Speaker 2: not stop.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love the gumption once again of that, but it's
Speaker 2: it's more ironic in that case than the sack down
Speaker 2: twenty All.
Speaker 1: Right, well let me so, let's do the ancestry DNA today.
Speaker 1: Let's do the ancestry DNA then on something that could
Speaker 1: be really it might show up in like the fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth cousin territory. Yeah, with low probability, you could.
Speaker 2: Marry this person and it would be at least okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: What about along the same lines of the defensive back
Speaker 1: gives up the big play, monster hits celebrates. What about
Speaker 1: let's talk about the incredibly lucky defensive back.
Speaker 3: Yes you know what I mean by this.
Speaker 2: So like a receiver dropping a ball that was thrown
Speaker 2: perfectly to exactly and the corner gets beat, and then
Speaker 2: the ball is dropped and the corner gives like the
Speaker 2: very dramatic incomplete, incomplete right exactly like his arms are
Speaker 2: about to come out of the socket because he's waved
Speaker 2: off in his head like Merton Hanks. Yeah, back right.
Speaker 2: Guy gets torched on a double moved delicious wide receiver
Speaker 2: streaking down the field over the middle of the field,
Speaker 2: a perfect throw that for some reason goes wrong, maybe
Speaker 2: a guy can't drag his foot along the boundary to
Speaker 2: get the completion, and there is the defensive back who
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with that play's failure, just celebrating
Speaker 2: like he drew it up at home. You don't come
Speaker 2: to Thai Islands without a visa. Yeah, that is. It's
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. Sometimes it'll happen where a dB will
Speaker 2: have a pass hit his helmet and then he will
Speaker 2: celebrate as it like he is not at all turned
Speaker 2: back to look at the ball and to high point
Speaker 2: the ball or whatever hits his helmet, realizes in a
Speaker 2: much delayed fashion that the pass is incomplete, and celebrates
Speaker 2: and also has to be told what happened. It's a wonderful,
Speaker 2: wonderful thing.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you one that I just it's
Speaker 2: very straightforward, and I just love it, and it's pretty
Speaker 2: unstoppable in video games, and Sanford runs it three times
Speaker 2: a game and it always works one thousand percent of
Speaker 2: the time. That is the fake full back dive and
Speaker 2: the quarterback is let's say the quarterback has turned to
Speaker 2: his right, fakes the full back dive hand off the pitch,
Speaker 2: then pitches it weak side to the other side, whether
Speaker 2: it's to Bryce Love or Christian McCaffrey or whoever, and
Speaker 2: on third and one third and inches, fourth and one
Speaker 2: fourth in inches. It's just brutal. It is just brutal,
Speaker 2: and it is something that it makes me shake a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: I love it so much.
Speaker 1: See so this you mentioned this play as it relates
Speaker 1: to video games. Yes, this used to be a play
Speaker 1: that didn't work at all. And then along the way
Speaker 1: EA Sports show in our age here, but EA Sports, yeah,
Speaker 1: decided that they would build the proper AI into the game. Huh,
Speaker 1: so that defenses would act a little bit more realistic
Speaker 1: in sometimes I fall for this right. And then if
Speaker 1: you had a good line, if you had recruited well,
Speaker 1: if you got enough insta commits on your team, then
Speaker 1: this is something that you could run in a key
Speaker 1: situation to perfection. But it wasn't until the latter years
Speaker 1: of the NCAA series where you could actually run a
Speaker 1: pitch play and get any serious yardage.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I would never really run that like student body
Speaker 2: left if I were running a pro style offense. But
Speaker 2: the fake dive, because the dive is pretty effective in
Speaker 2: video games third inches. Not many teams are stopping just
Speaker 2: like a straight ahead dive, and then you throw in
Speaker 2: who is I'm trying to think of the running backs
Speaker 2: for Stanford that just every single one of them. Toby Gerhart,
Speaker 2: So yeah, Toby Gerhart, Stephen Taylor yep, Taylor step Finn
Speaker 2: was in against Notre Dame yep.
Speaker 3: I maintain.
Speaker 2: There was there was something magical about that play that
Speaker 2: I couldn't fully hate because I was sitting at home saying,
Speaker 2: this is what they should do, this is what they're
Speaker 2: probably gonna do, and I love being right, so I
Speaker 2: didn't fully get upset.
Speaker 3: I just love that play.
Speaker 1: The joy of the nc double A video game series
Speaker 1: to me not to make too much of a left
Speaker 1: turn here. The joy for me always was in the
Speaker 1: passing game, and it was so counterintuitive because you knew
Speaker 1: if you had the proper beef up front, you could
Speaker 1: run it down your opponent's throat, but you just didn't
Speaker 1: want to. I got really good towards the end of
Speaker 1: that NC DOUBLEA series at calling a smart route which
Speaker 1: was essentially a ten yard hook every play, and it
Speaker 1: was uncoverable. You could not cover it at all. You
Speaker 1: couldn't cover it with zone, you couldn't cover it with man.
Speaker 1: As long as you had a quarterback who could throw
Speaker 1: the ball to a spot with any amount of strength,
Speaker 1: that play was always open. Now they've changed it in
Speaker 1: the newer versions of Madden, where they've added a million controls.
Speaker 3: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: What what does what anymore, but that, to me, that
Speaker 1: was the only play in my quiver, and it worked wonderfully.
Speaker 3: Did you have a play like that before?
Speaker 2: I talk about that? Screw you, because we played and
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking.
Speaker 3: That was my only play. It's the worst, the worst.
Speaker 2: I had a couple plays. I had some sort of
Speaker 2: deep ends that worked really nicely against Cover two.
Speaker 3: But God, I hated people like you. I was. I
Speaker 3: was that Garst.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were the scorpion get over here of NCAA football.
Speaker 1: I was going on YouTube and looking to see what worked.
Speaker 1: You know, I find you, I'd find the guy like.
Speaker 3: What's up, boys, let's talk about smart roots, that sort
Speaker 3: of thing.
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Speaker 1: it all right, Daniel, your turn? Where we going next?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, okay, So we had I think this
Speaker 2: was in the Fantasy Things a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: A mishurdle, right, like a hurdle that goes wrong.
Speaker 3: Okay, like was.
Speaker 2: It Melvin Gordon, one of them in the Rose Bowl
Speaker 2: a few years ago, had one that He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hurd this dude. Whoops, I did not jump high enough.
Speaker 2: We had a hurdle gone wrong.
Speaker 1: Not everybody is Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2: Not everybody's Saquon Barkley. That's fine. I'm talking about hurdle's
Speaker 2: going right. And that picture that inevitably gets taken of
Speaker 2: the week side linebacker, the safety whoever trying to make
Speaker 2: a textbook tackle, trying to wrap up and gets hurdled
Speaker 2: and gets their picture taken at a perfectly parallel point
Speaker 2: to the ground as they tackle nobody as they are
Speaker 2: they are m bisoning dulcim. If that's a point of
Speaker 2: reference that you understand, and God bless you if you
Speaker 2: do that, that is the I would argue the ultimate
Speaker 2: that what was the meme? It was something around like, yep,
Speaker 2: that's me. Bet you're wondering how I got here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: moment in a football game and I both at the
Speaker 2: same time feel so bad. I understand why we're watching
Speaker 2: what we're watching, but I can't help but say, oh,
Speaker 2: you dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb dumb fool. You are tackling nobody.
Speaker 2: And I can't get enough of that very specific picture
Speaker 2: that is just for at least a day.
Speaker 3: A life ruin college football, no Man's Land. Yes, I
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: Tackling ghosts, we talk about seeing ghosts, tackling ghost Tackling
Speaker 2: ghosts my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: Let me throw one out there that I've got on
Speaker 1: my list. How do you feel about very poor field conditions?
Speaker 2: Hum? It depends what the conditions are. Because I like
Speaker 2: a snow game a lot, and that would be interpreted
Speaker 2: and so I like it. But mud, I don't know
Speaker 2: if mud does it for me.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: See, now, we we've talked an awful lot on this
Speaker 1: show about monsoon games.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I feel like.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no more mud really because we have field
Speaker 2: turf everywhere now pretty much in a lot of places,
Speaker 2: but just puddles.
Speaker 3: I'm not everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so obviously it takes the right combination of
Speaker 1: weather and turf to truly achieve the mud bowl style
Speaker 1: conditions that I'm referencing here.
Speaker 3: But a good mud game, a really good mud game.
Speaker 1: We're talking three inches of rain, downpour, they should have
Speaker 1: postponed the game, but decided against it. It seems like
Speaker 1: in the South.
Speaker 2: Start having conversations about irrigation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like in the Southeast we have a
Speaker 1: couple opportunities for this every year. I'm talking full on
Speaker 1: mud is I think number one on my power ranking
Speaker 1: because you can at least alter the game in snow,
Speaker 1: you know you can. You can adapt to more of
Speaker 1: a ground game and turn it into a smash mouth
Speaker 1: three yards and a cloud of dust style offense.
Speaker 3: But when you've.
Speaker 1: Got nothing but pure, unadulterated mud, you really can't do
Speaker 1: anything because he can't hold onto the damn ball. No,
Speaker 1: you can't call plays. The whole game sort of turns
Speaker 1: into something it was not supposed to be. So if
Speaker 1: it's your team, surely that is not a situation that
Speaker 1: you feel great about. But from the outside in as
Speaker 1: an efficionado of the monsoon game, the extreme mud of
Speaker 1: a monsoon game that you see on the field again,
Speaker 1: if they've got natural grass, that to me is very appealing.
Speaker 2: See the kissing cousin that I get super into is
Speaker 2: when there are turf issues, not because of weather. Sometimes
Speaker 2: a lot of the time it'll happen inside. You remember
Speaker 2: the Wisconsin Ohio State Big Ten championship game where the
Speaker 2: carpet is ripped. That's the right goal line. I'm super
Speaker 2: into that. I'm super into national championship games or big
Speaker 2: time games on a field that is regular grass turf,
Speaker 2: that like Levi staff right where it's just like there
Speaker 2: is there's a group of people whose entire job it
Speaker 2: is is to grow grass and to trim grass, and
Speaker 2: to think about the right time to water and care
Speaker 2: for this said grass. And then game time rolls around
Speaker 2: and there's a sinkhole on the.
Speaker 3: Thirty that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Then there's there's a sprinkler that pops up at midfield
Speaker 2: or oh yeah, they have to wheel this grass in,
Speaker 2: and you just have this team of professionals who are
Speaker 2: just like grass huh. And you're like, wait, what, this
Speaker 2: is your job. This is the entire thing you do.
Speaker 1: I am I am so amused by the fact that
Speaker 1: it's twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: It'll happen this year.
Speaker 1: Beyond of course it will twenty nineteen. In many cases,
Speaker 1: these stadiums are hundreds of millions of dollars taxpayer funded,
Speaker 1: and somehow the playing surface became an afterthought. Yes, the
Speaker 1: playing surface is the whole reason they built the stadium,
Speaker 1: Yet it's an afterthought.
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
Speaker 2: By the way, our pal Nicole Hourback wrote about the
Speaker 2: Arizona State turf, I don't know if it's good or bad.
Speaker 2: I know it's grass. And she wrote about the guy
Speaker 2: who maintains it, the head groundskeeper. Yes, and it's a
Speaker 2: phenomenal piece. I think we mentioned it when we did
Speaker 2: partnering with the athletic but now that I think about it,
Speaker 2: I really hope that Arizona State has not had any
Speaker 2: issues because I liked him so much. But it is
Speaker 2: pretty astounding when there are Levi Stadium is a terrific example,
Speaker 2: like how does this there is? It's the like you
Speaker 2: had one job and this job is grass again, sink
Speaker 2: Cale it the thirty can't happen, and I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it when it does because it's just this
Speaker 2: amazing spotlight on incompetence.
Speaker 3: It's great. Let me throw out another one here. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I want to get your take on this. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is something that we've ever discussed at
Speaker 1: length on the show.
Speaker 3: M M.
Speaker 1: I love everything about the rugby style punt.
Speaker 2: You put this on our list, and I really had
Speaker 2: to think about what I thought about it.
Speaker 3: My opinion, but expand Will the punter tuck it under
Speaker 3: and run? Always?
Speaker 2: Always you're like, oh, will he won't see will the
Speaker 2: defense get close enough to block the kick? There's a
Speaker 2: lot more uncertainty with the rugby style punt. He almost
Speaker 2: always the punter punts it away, sure, and they get
Speaker 2: that top spin on it. It's not the traditional punt
Speaker 2: that you're used to seeing if you watch football for
Speaker 2: your entire life.
Speaker 3: It's wonk gear, for sure.
Speaker 1: It's different. It's more directional, right, it's a different style
Speaker 1: of punting, but there's definitely a little bit more uncertainty
Speaker 1: in the process, and the punter, if he so desires.
Speaker 3: Has more options.
Speaker 1: He can run it, he can decide he wants to
Speaker 1: throw it. He could bobble it and the whole thing
Speaker 1: goes horribly wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, that's evering.
Speaker 1: I never felt great about this until I started thinking
Speaker 1: more about it, And as I thought more about it,
Speaker 1: it just always felt to me like there was so
Speaker 1: much more uncertainty you with each play that I.
Speaker 3: Sort of grew to love it.
Speaker 2: So for me, the rugby style punt encapsulates a lot
Speaker 2: of what I love about college. About four years ago,
Speaker 2: I was going for a run tie and I just
Speaker 2: hit the smallest crack in the street and I didn't fall.
Speaker 2: I fell slowly, And there's nothing worse than just slowly
Speaker 2: losing your balance and trying to Oh god, I'm going down,
Speaker 2: big boys going down. And that is the concern to
Speaker 2: me with the rugby punt. I guess it's even coupled
Speaker 2: with the like if the turf is at all bad.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever tried to run even
Speaker 2: fifty percent and then kick a ball as hard as
Speaker 2: you can, or kick it with accuracy, with you know,
Speaker 2: in a pinpoint direction. It's one of those just like
Speaker 2: the trick play going wrong and why that appeals to
Speaker 2: me and my blood the rugby kick going wrong and
Speaker 2: the announcers doing some quick math and saying, well, the
Speaker 2: punt went for it looks like six yards yep, because
Speaker 2: the shank potential is through the roof. So I appreciate
Speaker 2: the rugby punt in a vacuum. I am I am
Speaker 2: willing to hook up with a rugby punt going wrong.
Speaker 1: I am terribly afraid of every rugby punt going wrong,
Speaker 1: so much shank potential there.
Speaker 2: Yes, shank potential, trip potential, punter being absolutely annihilated, and
Speaker 2: then they have to have a competition on campus because
Speaker 2: there's no other person on the table. Punt he's got
Speaker 2: broken ribs, he can't move. Yeah, by the way, that's
Speaker 2: another thing that's not on our list. But punter a
Speaker 2: kicker tryouts in the middle of the tryout, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's I don't wish I were still in college. I
Speaker 2: had a great time in college, but I'm glad I'm
Speaker 2: not in college anymore. I implore anybody listening if your
Speaker 2: school has open tryouts, to be a punter or a kicker.
Speaker 2: I don't even care if you try out, but if
Speaker 2: that's the only way you can go watch open tryouts,
Speaker 2: please do and report back. Oh my goodness, what do
Speaker 2: you think is? What do you think is the longest
Speaker 2: field goal you could kick? Could you make an extra point?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: You don't think you can make a point? Kicking is heard,
Speaker 1: it is hard. I could make an extra point. I'm
Speaker 1: confident I can make an extra point.
Speaker 3: My favorite part of the open.
Speaker 2: Open tryout for a field goal, kicker or whatever is
Speaker 2: inevitably that is like a talking point that the announcers
Speaker 2: know about. Like, oh, Brian Thompson, you know, just last
Speaker 2: week he was just a chemistry major. Now he's kicking
Speaker 2: for Boston College. And he comes out and he looks
Speaker 2: like an eight year old wearing a halloween costume. What
Speaker 2: was the brand, huffy huffy that he was wearing one
Speaker 2: of those plastic helmets. You're like, Oh, I think his
Speaker 2: shoulder pats might be on backwards. His cleats look way
Speaker 2: too big, his cup looks like it's horizontal. No, there's
Speaker 2: just a bunch wrong with the look of Oh. I
Speaker 2: love it so much and I root for him. Let's
Speaker 2: be clear. I want that dude to have a golden boot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but oftentimes no, not so much. All Right, I
Speaker 3: did two in a row.
Speaker 2: You're true, Okay, let's.
Speaker 3: Go with You know what.
Speaker 2: I love a good grab away fumble grab away front
Speaker 2: so doesn't happen often.
Speaker 1: So a guy just sort of rips it out.
Speaker 2: Guy rips it out, and especially rips it out, not
Speaker 2: like in the middle of a pile. That'll happen, there's
Speaker 2: nowhere for the ball to go. Sometimes guys just rip
Speaker 2: it out and like Oh wow, No, I guess it's
Speaker 2: all miss ball. It's more the open field during a tackle,
Speaker 2: ed Reed just lays waste to a dude and in
Speaker 2: the process takes the ball and starts running the other direction.
Speaker 2: It is such a pantsing, it is such that's a
Speaker 2: humiliator that I can't help but want to do very
Speaker 2: romantic things to that play. I love a good grab
Speaker 2: away out of nowhere because it happens so bang, bang
Speaker 2: right right, not to be too sure, bang. It happens
Speaker 2: so quickly where you don't see anything scored out. Hey,
Speaker 2: you don't see a scramble for a ball. It's just immediately, Oh,
Speaker 2: everything has changed. The offense is now definitely the defense.
Speaker 2: And I love that moment of just complete and pure chaos,
Speaker 2: without even a split second of a change of possession.
Speaker 1: This is This is a first cousin of the quarterback
Speaker 1: who inadvertently throws an interception to a defensive lineman, Yes,
Speaker 1: who just goes streaming down the field for an.
Speaker 2: The defensive lineman like a nose tackle, who on one
Speaker 2: play out of one hundred, drops back into coverage to
Speaker 2: cover like shallow crossing routes, and there's an interception, not
Speaker 2: because he tipped it, because he threw it right to
Speaker 2: him at the line, but because he was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna drop back real quick, see what happens.
Speaker 2: And it's just a little stinker about it. I love
Speaker 2: that moment where Hellodi Nata is just I know, I'm
Speaker 2: saying organ players where whoever where Mount Cody drops back
Speaker 2: into coverage. You're like, oh wow, that was though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's a it's a wonderful moment.
Speaker 3: All right, give me another one.
Speaker 2: I mean, this sort of falls under the trick play thing,
Speaker 2: but it's not. It's an unintentional trick play. When there's
Speaker 2: a bad field goal or extra point snap and it's
Speaker 2: very clear that there's no time to put the ball
Speaker 2: down for the kicker. It's so a rhythmic, it's just
Speaker 2: not going to happen, and.
Speaker 1: The and the holder tries to put it down but
Speaker 1: accidentally just lays the ball down.
Speaker 2: He has no other option, and then there is that
Speaker 2: that moment again. It's one of those yep, that's me,
Speaker 2: I bet you wondered how we got here moments where
Speaker 2: he's like, I gotta do something, and then he is
Speaker 2: is the huffy kid. He is the sprint out, the
Speaker 2: throw to the corner of the end zone, hoping for
Speaker 2: the best. Obviously, it just goes straight out of back.
Speaker 1: To the lineman who is ineligibly downfield, and to the lineman,
Speaker 1: and one hundred out of one hundred times that holder's
Speaker 1: helmet gets twisted around his head as a result of
Speaker 1: the play, where it's.
Speaker 2: Just like the holder's a punter or like the third
Speaker 2: string quarterback, and he just maybe grabs any helmet. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm just holding it like whatever, and running for his life.
Speaker 2: Caleb Sturgis is just yelling at him, and it just
Speaker 2: goes so horribly wrong, and the announcers say something like, well,
Speaker 2: you gotta feel for that kid. He tried to make
Speaker 2: something out of nothing, and there is never something. There's
Speaker 2: never ever something but a twisted helmet.
Speaker 1: And then there's always the shot along the sidelines, first
Speaker 1: off of him walking to the sidelines in disgust, and
Speaker 1: then once he gets there, oftentimes hanging around the medical tent,
Speaker 1: not sure if he's hurt enough to go in, not
Speaker 1: willing to admit to himself or anyone that he's hurt
Speaker 1: enough to go in, but surely feeling the pain after
Speaker 1: having his knees.
Speaker 2: He's never used the muscles no, that are necessary as
Speaker 2: a holder to sprint out and throw a pass on
Speaker 2: a route that's not supposed to even happen. He is
Speaker 2: like a concussed hamstring. There's an injury that has not
Speaker 2: even been diagnosed in the medical community. That's what the
Speaker 2: holder has. And this is when they burn the red
Speaker 2: shirt to get a new holder the following.
Speaker 3: Week open practice.
Speaker 1: The open practice, this is all fitting together.
Speaker 3: What do you have?
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got players fumbling the ball out of bounds
Speaker 1: or through the end zone for a touchback.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see. This does not get me excited. This
Speaker 2: This is one where you say a golden shower, cold shower.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you much better.
Speaker 1: As far as you know, I am all about this,
Speaker 1: and I know it makes me among the very few
Speaker 1: in college football media who's okay with this. Every time
Speaker 1: it happens, there are folks out there grumbling they should
Speaker 1: move it back to the lines, should it be a
Speaker 1: change of possession, the whole nine. I love this, really,
Speaker 1: I love this. Hold on to the damn ball if
Speaker 1: you want to score, if you don't, if you fumble
Speaker 1: it out. This is the one place on the field
Speaker 1: where it will be doubly punishable to fumble it. Do
Speaker 1: not fumble it through the end zone for a touchback.
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem with it. I love every
Speaker 1: time it happens. When it doesn't happen to.
Speaker 2: Mine, well, you act like it's something that can be controlled.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's stripped. It's not just somebody reaching and it
Speaker 2: slips out of their hands.
Speaker 1: Well that's fair too, but yeah, don't being stripped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't fumble the ball through the end zone. Otherwise they're
Speaker 1: going to pay mightily for it.
Speaker 2: But that's worth a turnover, worth a turnover with a
Speaker 2: non recovered fumble as a turnover.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I enjoy. I enjoy the fact that
Speaker 1: the rule is inconsistently applied when you get down to
Speaker 1: the very spot where it matters the most. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that in college football. And I know I'm in the
Speaker 1: minority here, Yeah, I know it, but it does it
Speaker 1: for me. Dan, I love it. I love that rule.
Speaker 3: We should.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm just going to jump in right
Speaker 2: now because I'm positive everybody listening has like the certain
Speaker 2: instances and plays and scenarios on the field that they love.
Speaker 3: Please do tweet.
Speaker 2: Us at solid Verbal, email us Solidverbal at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: We will recap the best of what you guys submit,
Speaker 2: probably on our next episode. Because it's the off season.
Speaker 2: There are one million Yeah, it's the off season. There
Speaker 2: are millions of scenarios that happen, and these are just
Speaker 2: the ones that are getting us going, even in the
Speaker 2: cold of March.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would add is we're trying
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more active on the Instagram feed,
Speaker 1: and this would be a good place if you if.
Speaker 2: You're already follow send us a message to solid Verbal.
Speaker 2: We'll post at solid Verbal right yeah, at soliverb.
Speaker 1: We'll post something both on the normal feed and in
Speaker 1: the story to try and solicit some other things that
Speaker 1: we might have missed here.
Speaker 2: And you're going to start gramming from the Mystery day Job,
Speaker 2: right you were going to start?
Speaker 3: Ty'd be cool. It's just oh yeah, oh yeah, sure, Dan.
Speaker 2: That sounds like yeah, No, follow us on Instagram and
Speaker 2: and message us your your scenarios that really get you going.
Speaker 2: This one is one that sounds mean and cruel, but
Speaker 2: I promise you, I hope this is temporary and everybody
Speaker 2: is okay when I see this and that is and
Speaker 2: this is both in video games and real life, the
Speaker 2: hamstring injury that happens in the middle of the long run. No,
Speaker 2: and it goes from was there a packer who this
Speaker 2: happened to? Was this like a sterling Sharp, Javon Walker
Speaker 2: somebody in that era. I might be making this up,
Speaker 2: but a hamstring injury during a long breakaway run. Nobody
Speaker 2: is with them ten fifteen, twenty yards and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they pull up, but they don't go down.
Speaker 2: It's just they go from running like a four four
Speaker 2: forty to like a ten four forty and it's it
Speaker 2: becomes a will he or won't he make it to
Speaker 2: the end zone before being tackled when it seemed like
Speaker 2: a sure thing, and all of a sudden, it's just
Speaker 2: like and down that stretch they come and it's it's
Speaker 2: a wonderful moment for me as long as they had.
Speaker 2: It's just a cramp and not really a hamstring full
Speaker 2: like tears.
Speaker 1: See what I'm what I'm thinking of, I'm not even
Speaker 1: thinking of On the football field, do you remember do
Speaker 1: you remember that race back in oh gosh, had to
Speaker 1: be the late nineties between Michael Johnson and Donovan.
Speaker 3: Bailey where they ran like the one fifty.
Speaker 1: They were right, they were trying to do the one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty meter race, and I think Michael Johnson
Speaker 1: was losing at the time but did something to his
Speaker 1: squad and pulled a blame right, And.
Speaker 2: There was all sorts of reaction to that, like did
Speaker 2: he do it on purpose? But he just sort of
Speaker 2: went out. He was going at a very high rate
Speaker 2: of speed. He's an Olympic caliber runner, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, at one point, the world's fastest man just.
Speaker 1: Pulls up lane because it happens. Yeah, and you see
Speaker 1: that happen on the football field, and you do hope
Speaker 1: everyone's okay, but it is certainly a sudden twist in
Speaker 1: the plot.
Speaker 2: Would you ever? Would you ever flop? Would I ever
Speaker 2: flop in any scenario playing sports? Like you were saying,
Speaker 2: people accuse Michael Johnson of flopping in the one fifty?
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you flop.
Speaker 2: If one gave your team an advantage to save you
Speaker 2: some pride of being just absolutely demolished at something? I
Speaker 2: would And I have one hundred percent we are not
Speaker 2: role models.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Kids try your best, but sometimes you gotta do what
Speaker 2: you got now that actually, now.
Speaker 1: That you mention it, I have here players dramatically overplaying
Speaker 1: the victim card in an effort to draw a personal foul.
Speaker 1: So we're talking full on South American soccer style. Oh
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, who, by the way, is excellent, but one
Speaker 1: are really good at this. For relisio going out there,
Speaker 1: there's a fracas of some sort confusion. Refs don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on, Announcers don't know what's going on, and
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, a guy just flops.
Speaker 2: Well like it'll get in the shoulder pad as somebody
Speaker 2: runs by him and he will act like he was
Speaker 2: hit by a mac truck.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I appreciate that. I appreciate the ingenuity.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the devotion to team to try and get
Speaker 1: an extra fifteen yards.
Speaker 3: I'm all for it. I am too.
Speaker 2: I think in the moment it's like, oh man, that's
Speaker 2: like a chicken chicken ass move. But the more I
Speaker 2: think about it, it's like it's doggy dog if you
Speaker 2: can pull it off and get the flag. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: love it as a consistent practice. I wouldn't love it
Speaker 2: in the NBA way in the soccer way where it
Speaker 2: really affects the tenors, I agree, I agree, But in football,
Speaker 2: a fifteen yard penalty that takes a team from the
Speaker 2: twelve to the twenty seven or the forty, what if
Speaker 2: it if it really doesn't change and flop the game,
Speaker 2: no pun intended flip the game. I guess there is
Speaker 2: something to it. And I would never flop during a
Speaker 2: rec league basketball game unless I really didn't like the
Speaker 2: other team. If the other team was being terrible and
Speaker 2: just like talking trash or just obnoxious, That's when I
Speaker 2: would drive the lane and as I was shooting it,
Speaker 2: as I was going for a float, I would grab
Speaker 2: my eye or grab my nose and check for blood.
Speaker 3: Right, that was my move.
Speaker 2: I would check for blood all the time. So yeah,
Speaker 2: if it doesn't fully change the tenor tenure ten tenor Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm good with the Jamal Adams.
Speaker 1: It's it's the wild draw four card and you can't
Speaker 1: play it in all circumstances.
Speaker 2: Would you be okay with like the NBA and how
Speaker 2: they've legislated it, calling the flop as a penalty, I'm
Speaker 2: reversing it, so I think so, yeah, because it would
Speaker 2: force you to be so good at flopping.
Speaker 3: That's right that you would have.
Speaker 2: If you're going to do it, you have to really
Speaker 2: sell it and time at right with the contact. We're
Speaker 2: talking a Coach k style school of drawing charges. You
Speaker 2: need to learn how to perfect that art in order
Speaker 2: to get those extra fifteen yards.
Speaker 3: Five team charges.
Speaker 2: I'm I think I am better with flopping in basketball
Speaker 2: than I am with charges. I think charges are bs. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think it's cowardly, But I just am advocating for flopping.
Speaker 3: So I think we're in agreement here.
Speaker 1: I think we've we've reached alignment on something else, all right,
Speaker 1: So we're running to the end of the show here. Now,
Speaker 1: there are a couple other ones that are what do
Speaker 1: you like that are on the list. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: rapid fire through a couple of these, okay, mm hmm,
Speaker 1: kind of along the same lines as your player pulling
Speaker 1: a blame. I have the chain gang getting obliterated on
Speaker 1: the sidelines, the most pointless people on a football field.
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to get hurt. These are innocent bystanders.
Speaker 1: But what always cracks me up is when you've got
Speaker 1: a three hundred pound lineman and somebody moving with barreling
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of force towards the sidelines, and they
Speaker 1: break the chains when the hardware literally fails because you've
Speaker 1: got these monsters of men going out there trying to
Speaker 1: get an extra yard.
Speaker 3: That to me, is always worth a good chuckle.
Speaker 2: The chain gang is something that I never understood why
Speaker 2: we need people doing this job. I don't get in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and if I were on the chain gang,
Speaker 2: I would be embarrassed to tell people that that's what
Speaker 2: I did. I would say working security. Oh, I work
Speaker 2: in the replay booth. Oh, I'm a ref Oh I'm
Speaker 2: a sideline judge. Oh like I help out with the
Speaker 2: cables and the TV crew on the side and make
Speaker 2: sure nobody trips over. Oh I'm to get back coach.
Speaker 2: There's all sorts of support roles on or near a
Speaker 2: football field to tell people. Yep, I hold a poll
Speaker 2: and then I walk a little and I hold it again.
Speaker 2: It is so dumb that we have humans doing this,
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: And along the same lines, now we're talking technology which
Speaker 1: gets into my space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's let's automate these idiots.
Speaker 1: My space, not the MySpace. Yeah, how about the landline
Speaker 1: telephones that are still on the sidelines as the primary
Speaker 1: means of communication for the quarterback or some member of
Speaker 1: the offense or defense to talk to the booth?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I I get this a little bit after what there
Speaker 2: were accusations in New England that like the phones were tapped.
Speaker 2: I get like that, the walkie talking, I get why.
Speaker 2: I get why they do it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it still looks like these are
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy style rotary phones that they're te to look like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it looks like you're an office phone. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think the rotary phones are good because they're super
Speaker 2: loud in a stadium. I think I means why that,
Speaker 2: like the rotary esque old fashioned phone is such so
Speaker 2: boomingly loud?
Speaker 3: I think that's why? Is it? I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know about that.
Speaker 2: It is rough though, that to throw a terrible interception
Speaker 2: have to go over the sideline and ring ring in
Speaker 2: the NFL, they're carrying around Microsoft surfaces on side spiking them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the best they can do is a roadaryf
Speaker 1: I don't know. I always get a kick out of that.
Speaker 1: What else do I have here I have the dual
Speaker 1: threat quarterback who tries to keep the play alive a
Speaker 1: little too long. Mm hmm, like tech mobile style, just
Speaker 1: keeps running backwards.
Speaker 2: Well along those lines. Third cousin, I would say quarterback
Speaker 2: who can't slide. Oh, he's been practicing. He's been practicing
Speaker 2: his slides. He's getting pretty was it?
Speaker 3: RG three? Who was it?
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, it's it's an issue because we
Speaker 2: don't want him taking contact. But he just looks like
Speaker 2: a baby giraffe when he tries to slide.
Speaker 1: And they somehow slide with both feet out risking permanent
Speaker 1: injury by catching.
Speaker 2: They just they just drop. They just drop down and
Speaker 2: they don't slide forward.
Speaker 3: It's great. The only it's like a key ball slide.
Speaker 1: The only other thing I have on my list is
Speaker 1: referees that botch the penalty announcements always good by either
Speaker 1: not knowing what the foul is when they turn on
Speaker 1: the microphone to announce it to the crew, or by
Speaker 1: thinking they know what it is and just getting it
Speaker 1: terribly wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah that is.
Speaker 2: I mean there are pack twelve clips and like where
Speaker 2: one ref is pointing one way with like the first
Speaker 2: down signal and the other ref is pointing the other
Speaker 2: way and they need to sort of get their wires uncrossed.
Speaker 2: That's always great, usually happens out west. But totally agree
Speaker 2: with you. I like the sideline trying to affect the
Speaker 2: call with like the babble Pedro Serrano type motion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or like the incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, or the ball was down,
Speaker 2: ball was down, ball was out.
Speaker 3: I would be so excellent at that time. I do
Speaker 3: that at home when I'm watching a game.
Speaker 2: Always, always do the juggle, do the past interference.
Speaker 3: Throwing the flag, the imaginary flag.
Speaker 2: Sure, oh, you pull it out from your hip and
Speaker 2: it's and I will toss like four of them like
Speaker 2: I'm taking tissues out of a Kleenex box.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, yes, I do that.
Speaker 1: When I'm watching a soccer match, throw the imaginary if
Speaker 1: they don't even throw flags in soccer, you'll.
Speaker 3: Take out your your imaginary yellow card or right, that's right, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, I'll take out the football flag first,
Speaker 2: and we'll take out the flag. You will cross sports.
Speaker 1: It's just wired into my DNA at this point to
Speaker 1: try and throw the flag on a foul. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I'm playing FIFA, I'm trying to throw the flag and
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't even do that in soccer.
Speaker 2: I mentioned loving surprise left handers with that might.
Speaker 3: Be my favorite one we've discussed tonight.
Speaker 2: I also like when a quarterback has his dominant hand,
Speaker 2: usually his right hand, as he's rolling left, transfers the
Speaker 2: ball to his left hand, and I think Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: did it recently.
Speaker 3: This was a good.
Speaker 2: It either goes very right or very wrong. I love
Speaker 2: the let me and they do it in tennis sometimes
Speaker 2: where they get caught off there they're wrong footed and
Speaker 2: they just take a stab at it with their off
Speaker 2: hand and it never really goes right even when it does.
Speaker 3: I like that moment a lot ty. Okay, I really do,
Speaker 3: I truly do. Let's see what else?
Speaker 2: Do I have anything else that really gets me going?
Speaker 2: We had to grab away fumble?
Speaker 3: You have on here? What do I have? The older
Speaker 3: coach getting blown up on the sidelines. I felt bad
Speaker 3: about that one, but I do like it.
Speaker 2: It happened to Joe Pah, it happened that Charlie White.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was Joepa seriously injured.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was. He probably just had like
Speaker 3: a bad leg. He broke his leg. Oh joepap broke
Speaker 3: his leg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's yeah. It's still fine by me given
Speaker 2: all the things. The Charlie Wise thing is sad. He
Speaker 2: like he tore his acl and that was a bad
Speaker 2: looking penalty. I just there there was something that like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's not coming over here. I'm fine, I'm fine. Oh God,
Speaker 2: O God, O god God. We're terrible happens, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna get thrown in jail for this. It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I think that's all I could think of. Yeah at
Speaker 2: this moment. Okay, but the surprise left handed receiver is
Speaker 2: very good.
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Speaker 3: So it's fine and steamy. It's very high. I lost
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Speaker 2: sound any different, but I am now broadcasting from a closet.
Speaker 3: Okay, I am now.
Speaker 2: So three years ago I lived alone, I think right,
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Speaker 2: And so now I'm in the you called it the
Speaker 2: dank room, aka the claw, aka the dangein. It's so
Speaker 2: I am in a walking closet and that's where my
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Speaker 3: And this is my life.
Speaker 1: You are effectively college football's Milton Wadams at this point.
Speaker 3: Milton Wadams, that is, I have been danished. All right, Well,
Speaker 3: you sound wonderful as always. Thank you. Thank you to
Speaker 3: everyone for tuning into the show.
Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, for that fine gentleman over there, my
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