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Speaker 1: happen to thirty four year old Randy Volar? Ostensibly a

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot dot com Ashley Wilcot twenty seven years Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder of Beer Bones Consulting for Now.

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Speaker 1: Medical examiner from the State of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher

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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. So, Nancy, on the

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Speaker 1: she said, Volar's trying to kill me. She said she'd

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Speaker 1: been given drugs. And when police responded, they found this

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl near his property, dazed, confused, wandering

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Speaker 1: around and only her underwear. And she told police that

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Speaker 1: he did this to other minor young girls and gave

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Speaker 1: the name of the defendant in this case and Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Police also seized a bank account during their investigation. I

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Speaker 1: was just gonna say that, LEVI page because I want

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Speaker 1: shell Nut weighing in on this. James shell Nut, twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years Metro major case now lawyer one point five

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Speaker 1: million dollars in transfers in his bank account that is

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Speaker 1: consistent with sex trafficking. Well, I mean what does this

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Speaker 1: guy even do for a living? What's he doing? One

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Speaker 1: point five million dollars in transfers. He claimed that he

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Speaker 1: got some of it through buying and selling cryptocurrency. Well,

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you. I can guarantee you. You mean

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Speaker 1: the fake money, but the fake internet. That is so like,

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Speaker 1: call me crazy, call me old fashioned, but that's just

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Speaker 1: like the Emperor's close. As soon as somebody says, hey,

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Speaker 1: crypto money is not real and people get that in

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Speaker 1: their head, I think it's gonna crash. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep my little checking account with

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Speaker 1: real cash in it. Okay, back to you, shell nut. No,

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Speaker 1: you know, from an investigative standpoint, here's what, Like, the

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Speaker 1: investigator is gonna say, Okay, that's your story. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: Let's go back and let's start serving subpoenas. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: identify these bank accounts. They're gonna serve subpoenas. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: forensically audit with an accountant this money and see how

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Speaker 1: much of this money actually came from it, if at all,

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Speaker 1: and if not, if there's unsubstantiated money that can't be determined,

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Speaker 1: you know who else is going to get a phone

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Speaker 1: call Alphabet agency called the IRS and they're going to

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Speaker 1: get involved. And so I think you're not you're not

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Speaker 1: kidding on that. Don't even say IRS. That's like bringing

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Speaker 1: Baltimore into the room. Sometimes sometimes that's the worst one.

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Speaker 1: You do not mess with the tax man. No, n O.

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Speaker 1: You know, another big question I don't understand, as you

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Speaker 1: will caught judge and trial law your anchor Court TV,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can explain it. Why was he l released

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Speaker 1: from jail without bell after being arrested on police charges

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Speaker 1: that's not a grand jury indictment. He was released on

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Speaker 1: pending charges of child sex assault. Why? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, I am a ji. If I were the judge,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have released him because this is what I

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Speaker 1: do for a living, and he's a perpetrator, an alleged perpetrator,

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Speaker 1: but enough that he should have been held on bond

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Speaker 1: if there is probable cause of my opinion, now stop

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Speaker 1: right there. To James Shellnutt, twenty seven years Atlanta Metro

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Speaker 1: major case swat officer now lawyer. The judge is refusing

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Speaker 1: to allow the defense of affirmative defense and just in

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Speaker 1: a nutshell, a self defense, Okay, self defense is a

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Speaker 1: complete defense. If you tell a jury you acted in

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Speaker 1: self defense, you are and they believe it, you are exonerated.

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Speaker 1: You're not guilty. What message does this send to people

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Speaker 1: fighting back against their attackers. It's basically said of the

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Speaker 1: message that the criminal justice system is not going to

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Speaker 1: stand behind you. Nancy. You know I'll tell you. The

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Speaker 1: reason that I believe the judge is not allowing the

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Speaker 1: affirmative defense the fact that he the judge, claims that

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Speaker 1: this was all premeditated, that it was all planned. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends CBS fifty eight rapport Jacqueline

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Speaker 1: I bought, the car, was recovered, and investigators found evidence

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Speaker 1: leaking Kaiser to the crime. She was even seen bragging

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Speaker 1: about the crime on Facebook Live. The sort of celebration

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Speaker 1: of parts of this criminal offense to take place in

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Speaker 1: social media, I think shocked the conscience and our again

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Speaker 1: predictive of a person who has absolutely no compunction or

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Speaker 1: willingness to comply with any court orders. But the question

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Speaker 1: is why. The motive is still unclear. But she did

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Speaker 1: tell investigators she had gone upset and she was tired

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Speaker 1: of mister Valar touching her. We do believe that there's

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Speaker 1: more to the story that hasn't been presented yet. We

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Speaker 1: would ask the court to consider a reasonable cash bomb.

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Speaker 1: Her bail was set at one million dollars. If Kaiser

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Speaker 1: is convicted, she could face a life sentence. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're learning that the judge believes that there is

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Speaker 1: evidence of premeditation. If it's premeditated, our planned ahead of time,

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Speaker 1: it can't be self defense. But take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends over at WISN twelve. This Hillary mints the

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Speaker 1: one million dollars cash bond is appropriate. Twelve News was

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Speaker 1: there in court when one million dollars bail was set

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Speaker 1: for Crystal Kaiser. The Milwaukee team is charged with shooting, killing,

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Speaker 1: and setting Randall Vlaar on fire in his Kenosha home

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Speaker 1: last June. She was just seventeen at the time. And

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Speaker 1: what do you think that people need to know about

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Speaker 1: where he died? The case now making national headlines and

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Speaker 1: in a jailhouse interview with The Washington Post, Kaiser now

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Speaker 1: alleges she killed Valar because he used her for sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: Supporters of Kaiser say it was self defense. She had

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Speaker 1: been trying to get out of the whatever arrangement that

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Speaker 1: they had and he was threatening to kill her. In

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Speaker 1: court last week, her attorney, a public defender, argued the

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Speaker 1: murder falls under state law called affirmative defense, which acquits

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking victims of certain crimes, but a judge disagreed,

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Speaker 1: saying it only applies to prostitution or child trafficking cases. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean that it only applies to prostitution

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Speaker 1: or child trafficking? To judge and trial lawyer Ashley Wilcot, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and so I do know. I do

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Speaker 1: understand what that means. It applies in cases in which

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Speaker 1: a child is a victim of sex trafficking. They can

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Speaker 1: then claim that affirmative defense. That's my understanding. What I

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Speaker 1: don't understand is in this particular case, I think it

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Speaker 1: fits the bill. I think that she is a victim

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Speaker 1: of sex trafficking with this older man, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: not certain why the judge isn't allowing it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think that a better defense would be something akin

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Speaker 1: to battered Woman's defense. James shell Nutt, Metro major case

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Speaker 1: and lawyer, because that addresses a long period of abuse

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Speaker 1: and then a response in an altered state a response

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Speaker 1: you would normally normally have, and often in a battered

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Speaker 1: woman syndrome case or something similar to that, you have

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Speaker 1: the victim, the battered woman. Let's just say pick up.

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Speaker 1: Let's say a knife walk into the den where the

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Speaker 1: husband's watching TV in the easy chair and stab him.

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Speaker 1: In most cases, that would not be self defense because

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Speaker 1: you've got a few moments of premeditation getting the knife,

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Speaker 1: walking into the den the TV's going, and stabbing your husband.

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Speaker 1: All right, but it's allowed self defense under the better

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Speaker 1: Women's syndrome after a long period of abuse. Now the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors say, we don't know the whole story us on

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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. Is there more question to you,

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Speaker 1: Leavi Page? How does this parallel with the case. Do

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Speaker 1: you recall Cynthia Brown who was granted clemency last year.

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Speaker 1: It's the case that the Kardashians became involved with. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was in Tennessee, Nancy, and she actually shot and

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Speaker 1: killed her pimp as well. She was a child trafficking victim.

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Speaker 1: And what happened, well, what happened there, Nancy, She was

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Speaker 1: convicted of his murder, spent a lot of time behind bars,

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Speaker 1: a lot of berties started bringing her case to social media.

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Speaker 1: They brought attention to it and she was granted clemency

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Speaker 1: by the governor and she's now released. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crim's toy signing off Goodbye Friend,