WEBVTT - Coco with Dani Fernandez 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.360 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.680 start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey Jamie, Hey, Caitlin, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.840 seize your moment. You know, I know you've been wanting 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:27.520 to play music and that's your secret passion, and I 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.560 think you should just go for seize your moment. And 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.920 who cares what your family says. I'm the dog Dante 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:39.519 by the way, Wow, that's exciting. Well, I love Dante. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.800 I want a Dante at my house. I love Dante 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.400 so much. I know, he's one of my favorite Pixar 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.680 Disney animal familiars in many moons, and he doesn't even 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.760 need to talk. I always feel like I'm like, whenever 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.680 a Disney animal companions so good they don't even need 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:03.160 to speak, You're like, that's a that's a heavy heater. Yeah, 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:08.199 Dante's in the Hall of Fame. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.440 My name is Caitlin Darante, my name is Jamie Loftus, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.040 and this is our podcast where we take a look 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.400 at your favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens with 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.399 some of our favorite people in the world, and we 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.920 do that using the Bechdel Test as a jumping off 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.840 point for discussion, which I simply don't remember. What is that, Caitlin, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.560 I'll remind you. It's been it's been half We've been 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.280 doing the show for half a decade, and yet what 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.760 even is it? Well, it's always changing and growing, and 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.480 our version of it these days fluid. Yeah, it is 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.320 very fluid. So it's a media metric created by queer 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.120 cartoonist Alison Becktel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test, in 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.480 which our version is two people of a marginalized gender 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.920 have to have names, they must speak to each other 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.920 about something other than a man for at least two 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.160 lines of dialogue, and ideally that conversation is narratively important 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:12.320 and not just like hey Judy, you know, hey Sally, 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.519 you know when you hear it, when you hear it, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.639 meaning full exchange, you're like, Okay, something happened there, yea. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.480 And we have a very popular request on the show 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.400 today with a very popularly requested guest. She's been on 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.760 the show many, many times, and the movie is Coco, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.440 and the guest is if you clicked. You already know. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.680 But Caitlyn give us the give us the rentdown. She's 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.000 a writer, she's an actress. You remember her from our 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.359 episodes on tomb Raider and The Adams Family. It's Danny Fernandez. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:48.400 Welcome back for having me. God, thanks for coming back. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.839 I'm so glad that y'all had me watched this movie earlier, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.280 Like I just haven't watched it in like a year, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.560 and I was like, I needed a reason to cry 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.160 than all of the other reasons that we have to cry. Right, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.600 it felt good though. I could feel it coming on 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.760 and I just let it take over. I was like, 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.080 that feels good. Sometimes you just need that sweet Coco 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.440 cry release really, Like it's no matter how many times 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.600 you see certain parts coming Like last night, I was like, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.320 I've seen this movie before at this point, like I 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.040 I'm going to be able to compartmentalize through this part 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.400 and I've never been successful. Wrong, wrong, wrong, I didn't 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:33.600 like hydrate properly before watching like the whole thing. Oh 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:38.800 my gosh. So Danny, what's your relationship and history and 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:44.520 all that with Coco. Well, it's uh, you know, representative 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.040 of my family and background, my families from Mexico and um, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.240 actually have a big I'll have to send you guys 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.800 a picture so that you can share it if you 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.360 want to. But I have a big Coco guitar that 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.200 has like painting of of like the characters from Coco. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.320 It's really beautiful. It's actually one of my favorite is 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.720 of art that I own because you can see I 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.440 also have art of other Disney art and stuff behind me. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.920 But um, I don't know, I have so many different 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.000 launching points into this. One thing is that I I 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.080 sent y'all also a video of my niece reading the 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.919 Coco book, like the Golden Book. Yeah, And so it 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.799 was so funny because we didn't really feel like we had, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.640 you know, as far as representation goes, like before this, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.920 we had Mowanna and so that was around the time 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.760 that she was born and she was like one or 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.360 two and mo Wanna came out, and so we're getting 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.800 her all Mahanna stuff. We just wanted anything that kind 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.120 of looked like her to have, if that makes sense. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.160 And so I think on her second birthday was like 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.719 all Mohanna stuff. Want what she still has? She like 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.839 loves her Ma Wanna dolls. And then Coco came out, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.760 and I was like, great, I have something from her culture, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.479 from her background that we can we can help, you know, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.120 teach her. Uh So then I got her the Coco guitar, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.960 like the White famous like guitar hab she can play on. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.440 My brother has pictures of him like playing guitar for 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.560 her when he would like, um, play her to like 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.640 to sleep, and so like it was just I don't know, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.920 I felt like so many different intersections. I'm also pretty um, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.440 pretty open about having issues in my own family and 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.040 not being close with certain people in my family, and 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.080 so like I really related to that aspect of of 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.480 the movie. Um. And then we also have an a 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.800 friend at my brother has that he taught my niece 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.120 and nephew and so we have our our deceased relatives 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.520 on there and it has candles and like they've they've 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.200 taught their kids, you know about that and so yeah, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.400 so so it was it was great. You know, before this, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.760 we had the Book of Life by Jorge Gautierrez and 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.480 and she also has that movie in that book as well. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.560 And so the more representation, the more stories around this 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.440 that we can tell, I think is is really important. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.799 But I personally just felt very happy that this existed 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.360 so that we could pass this in my family. Oh 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.599 that's so wonderful, beautiful a little bit, Jamie. What's your 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.840 relationship with Coco? Uh? Pretty simple. I mean, I just 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.679 I've seen it several times. It makes me cry every time, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.120 and I take a lot of joy in it. It 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.720 is I mean, I'm not of Mexican descent at all, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.320 and I might think my my knowledge and my just 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:30.080 experience of an understanding of Dia del Maritas and I 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.480 think very like basic aspects of Mexican culture. I mean, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.080 I just don't know enough basically, and I think that 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.280 this a lot of what this movie does. Although there 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.599 is some criticism that we'll get into as well, but 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.120 like I I've learned from this movie too. And then 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:49.720 the way that Coco kind of ingratiates Mexican culture into 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.320 the plot in a way that is very natural is 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.800 like I wish that this movie had existed when I 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.320 was a kid, But yeah, true, but I'm glad it 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.920 exists when I'm an adult. It's great, totally. I was 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.320 just talking about this with a shout out to my 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:11.680 Spanish tutor Adriana, who I have a whole segment from 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.240 her because she was born and raised and grew up 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.440 and lived most of her life in Mexico, and I 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.360 wanted to get her thoughts on it. So she shared 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.040 a lot of insight that all I will share later. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.440 But um, I was saying, like I didn't learn about 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.680 Dia delusmortos until I mean, I took Spanish in high 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.840 school and learned about it then. But you know, I 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.800 spent so many years like not knowing so much about 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:40.520 so many cultures because well, one, the American education system 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.240 did not expose me too much of anything, and to 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.559 all the movies I was exposed to were just about 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.560 white people, white Americans. So I was like, yeah, I 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.160 really wish I had this movie growing up two just 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.000 for the sake of like I could have learned a thing. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.480 But same, I love this movie. I saw it in 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.440 theaters I think twice. I've seen it several times since then. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.560 This movie makes me cry, cry cry. I teach it 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.720 in my screenwriting classes. Also, Like there's a segment I 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.120 do in world building that I have my students like 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:17.960 read a trunk of the script and then we watch 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.480 that and like see how it translates from the page 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:27.080 to the screen, and there's just like I love this movie, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.000 so I'm excited to talk about it. Um, should we 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.960 get into the recap and just go from there? Yeah, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.800 let's do it as per usual. Let's do it. I 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.160 was just saying, how I think this is the longest 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:44.520 recap I've ever written on the show. Can't wait, just 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.640 because like, this story is so good and it's like complicated, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.720 but not in a way that it's like overwhelming or 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.600 like confusing or anything like that. It's just like so 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.079 rich and there's just so much detail I didn't want 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.240 to leave out, so bear with me. But um, here 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.280 we go. So we get some backstory about the rivera 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.480 family where long ago there was a musician who had 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.960 a wife and a daughter, and one day the man 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.400 left with his guitar and never returned. So the mother, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.800 the woman, banished all music from her life became a shoemaker, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.920 which she passed down to several generations of her family. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.520 That woman was Miguel's great great grandmother, Emelda, and her 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:35.439 daughter is Miguel's great grandma Coco. And then Miguel's family 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.240 tells this story every year on El Dia de los Mortos, 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.800 so then we meet Miguel. He's a young twelve year 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.040 old boy in Mexico. The rest of his family, you know, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.120 his mom, his dad, aunt and uncles, his grandma, and 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.520 his great grandma Coco. We meet them on screen. They 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:58.760 are all still very anti music. But Miguel has a secret. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:04.800 He loves music. He plays the guitar. He worships Ernesto 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.120 de la Cruz, who was a famous musician back in 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.559 the day. And Miguel loves his song entitled Remember Me 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:18.400 Secretly Loving Music has to be like the sweetest rebellion ever. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.960 It's such a fascinating like when as writers, I'm like 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.719 always thinking of like it's such a fascinating plot. You know, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.320 You're like, how are we going to make a movie 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.679 about this holiday? And like what can we do? And 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.160 let's have his whole family hate music, but he loves it. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.920 It's such a good It's like such a classic Disney setup. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.440 It feels like of like know this then the you know, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.600 like the Little Mermaid, like all she wants to do 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.000 is go to the shore, and her whole family is like, no, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.240 that's an abomination. I wrote that down to where it 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.200 felt like I mean and obviously like the stories are 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:02.320 very different. But like when appolita Um smashes Miguel's guitar 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.680 spoiler alert, I was like, well, King Triton ruining the garrotto. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.920 It's like same, same, devastating, like how could you? I 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:17.679 thought I could trust you energy. So that night, there's 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.440 a music talent competition for Dia de los Mortos in 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.920 Miguel's town's plaza and Miguel wants to sign up, but 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.720 his family is like no way. But then Miguel discovers 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.560 from a photograph on his family's o frienda that his 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.440 great great grandfather was Ernesto de la Cruz. His face 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.880 has been torn off of the photo, but Miguel recognizes 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.320 his famous guitar, so he decides to seize his moment 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.680 and enter the talent competition. But his grandma finds out 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.000 what he's doing and he's that's the scene where she 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.360 smashes his guitar. So then Miguel goes to de la 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:03.360 Cruz's mausoleum to borrow the guitar there, but when he 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.400 strums on the guitar, it transports him from his living 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.800 state to a kind of like apparition in which he 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.360 cannot be seen by the living, but can be seen 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.840 by all of the dead people who have crossed over 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.200 to the Land of the living for Diadels mortals. This 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.480 sequence is so beautiful and well done, Like it's one 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.480 of there are so many amazingly animated scenes in this movie, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.080 but the one where it's so seamless and it's I 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.079 feel like it also like you you're so put into 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.880 Miguel's shoes of like it's a little jarring and confusing, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.960 and then you realize what's going on, and uh, that 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.800 sequence is just like so well paced and animated. I 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:54.960 love it absolutely so. Then he runs into his dead ancestors, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:59.959 including his Tia Rosita, Tia Victoria, Papa Julio, TiO Oscar, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.080 or in TiO Philippe, who bring him across the bridge 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.720 to the Land of the Dead, which is this huge, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:11.319 beautiful city where everyone's dead family and ancestors live. It's 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.640 also full of alabris, which are spirit animals. And then 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.439 they go through this like customs type thing where Miguel 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.600 sees a dead skeleton guy trying to cross into the 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.120 Land of the living, but he can't because his photo 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.040 isn't on anyone's a frienda. So then the family finds 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.199 Mama Emelda, who couldn't cross over to the Land of 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:38.240 the Living because Miguel had taken her photo off of 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.680 his family's a FRIENDA. Then Miguel learns that he needs 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.280 his family's blessing to be able to cross back over 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.800 to the Land of the living, but he has to 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.480 do so by sunrise or else he will turn into 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.720 a skeleton and be stuck in the Land of the 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:57.040 dead forever. More. Little Mermaid vines, yeah, yeah, you have 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:03.000 three days, says Ursula. Yeah. So then Mama Emelda gives 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.640 Miguel her blessing to return home, but with the condition 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.880 that he never play music again, since she was like 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.360 the original like no music lady, she invented the foot 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:20.240 loose rules to the family exactly, but the second Miguel 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.480 is transported back, he picks up de la Cruz's guitar 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.840 and is immediately transported back to the Land of the 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.200 Dead because he broke his promise. So then Miguel gets 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.480 the idea to get his blessing from Ernesto de la 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.320 Cruz since they're related, so that Miguel can return home 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.960 and still play music. So Miguel sneaks away from his 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.400 family and sets off with a street dog named Dante, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.320 who had also crossed over to the land of the dead. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.640 Because dogs are just transient beings who can cross dimensions. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.840 I think that that is like a tradition that's like 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.440 rooted in real mythology too, of like dogs as yeah, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:03.320 like intermediaries between the living and the dead. Mm So, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.880 then Miguel sets off to find Ernesto de la Cruz. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.240 So Miguel comes across that guy who saw at the 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:14.240 customs section who he overhears saying that he knows de 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.000 la Cruz. This is Hector, voiced by Gael Garcia. Brnow, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.640 by the way, who is my number one celebrity crush? 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.520 Is it? Yes? I don't see you tweeting about him enough? Then, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.840 well are you trying to keep it on the I 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.280 feel like anytime someone has a celebrity crush, like I know, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.040 I just do you all know who mine is? Tell us? Oh, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.400 I thought you were going to say yes, of course. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.040 I feel like when you say it, I'm like, wait, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.960 I've seen those tweets. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I feel 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.200 like this is in line with this. It's Selmahiac. Oh yeah, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.920 I feel like I've tweeted yeah about her. I try 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.600 to be chill though, because I feel like, not that 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.760 we all know each other, but we're kind of like, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.840 I don't know, like adjacent. There's six degrees element. Yeah, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.920 yeah for sure. And I know someone I think I 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.080 haven't told. I've told this story before another podcast, but 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.640 I guess not on this one. But I like the 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:10.840 New Bachelorette was like thirty five or something shocking horrible old, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.120 and somebody tweeted that essentially like oh she's thirty five, 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.120 and I said, some hikes fifty five and I would 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.000 ruin my life for her. And I didn't tag her 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.760 because again, like we're professional, we all work in this 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.160 business together. And somebody sent it to her though, because 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.880 she screamshot it. She put it on Instagram, not just 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.360 on Twitter, and like found me and tagged me and 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.440 was like thank you. Danny was like, I was like, 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.880 I would ruin my life for her, and she was like, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.880 thank you, Danny. I'm like, I'm going to do this 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:51.200 for Gail because I don't, like, I don't tweet about 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.840 really anything, um except for Paddington. That's true. That's true, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.760 but I mean, like, I don't like when people tag that. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.520 I just think it's and well, it's especially we were 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.320 just because we we were like you know a lot 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.239 of us work on different shows and movies and like, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.400 you know whatever, Like that's very awkward and I never 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:12.560 wanted to be like weird, so I don't ever tag them. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.000 But if you found it on your own, that's not 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.600 my fault. That's very good. I mean, this ship have 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.920 I mean not to shout it out once an episode, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.640 but Alfred Molina was on the podcast. These things do happen, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.080 I know, Selman, I will have our moment our. Yeah, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.040 you gotta start thirst tweeting more. I love. I love 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:38.439 when a thirst tweet leads to something beautiful. That's nice. Alright, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.440 Well this is my cue to send out more thirst tweets. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.400 I don't know what's stopped. The stakes are low. I'm 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.520 barely in the industry, so I don't even have to 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.760 worry about like professionalism here. So um, okay, where were we? 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.800 So we see Hector again and he and Miguel make 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.600 a deal. If Hector helps Miguel find de la Cruz, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.359 then Miguel will put up Hector's photo On and a 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.800 friend to when he returns to the Land of the Living, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.119 so that Hector can cross over and see his family, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.800 which he hasn't been able to do for quite some time. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.200 Miguel learns that De la Cruz is hosting a very 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.200 exclusive party that night, and that the winner of this 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.919 talent competition that's happening gets to play at this exclusive party, 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.000 So Miguel and Hector set off to find a guitar. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.919 This is also the scene where Miguel meets Freda Carlo 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:33.320 and has a fun interaction with her. Then Hector takes 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:38.480 Miguel to a place where dead people who don't have 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.760 families or people to visit in the Land of the Living, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.199 they all kind of have formed this community, and we 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.120 learned that if enough time passes, these kind of forgotten 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.240 people will fade away and eventually disappear forever and have 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.840 their what they call it a final death, which is 0:18:55.920 --> 0:19:01.919 illustrated through like the saddest scene ever committed. So we 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.640 see this with this guy Chon who's voiced by Edward 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.919 James almost by the way, So Hector borrows a guitar 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.840 from him. He is fading and then we see him 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.760 like die his final death. We also learn in this 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.479 scene that Hector was a former musician and that Hector 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.800 is also fading because his family in the Land of 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.159 the Living is forgetting him. The plant and payoff of 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:33.240 this movie is so good, like the screenwriting is absolutely incredible. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.000 So with the guitar, they head to this talent competition 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.480 and Miguel performs, but Miguel's skeleton family, who has been 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.320 chasing after him this whole time, shows up to this show, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.879 and this is where Hector learns that Miguel does have 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.200 other family who could give their blessing and send him 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.159 back to the Land of the Living. So he's like, 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.639 why am I trying to help you find d La Cruz. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.160 So then Miguel runs away but bumps into Mamma Emelda, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:06.040 who reveals that she used to love music, but of 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.919 course that changed when her husband left, and Miguel is like, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.520 you you should understand and support my passion for music, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.560 and she's like no, so then he runs away. Miguel 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.400 is a very emotionally intelligent kid. I'm like, I don't 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.440 know if I was firing off ship like that when 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.080 I was twelve, right, He's great not to be like 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.280 I was so emotionally intelligent, but like I have, I 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.520 have like diaries of mine from that time, and I 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.800 was so angsty and just thought I was like so 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.560 smart and I don't know, like I just I definitely 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.360 was very I was like a very emotional twelve year 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.560 old for sure. That's great. I was very emotionally. I 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.399 was just always repressing all of my emotions, which I 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:56.240 do to this day very healthily, I think I was. 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.480 I just had like O c D, like true O 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.800 c D notebook full of I would write down what 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.679 everybody was wearing around me at all times because I 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.520 thought I would die if I didn't do that. And 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.120 then I would also write about my crushes for four 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.639 to five hundred pages at that time. My god, so 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:21.920 there was more volume. There wasn't a lot of quality, hilarious, gosh. Anyways, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:26.800 Miguel is is very in touch with his his emotional 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.000 needs and understands adults better than uh, certainly I ever 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.840 did for sure. So then we see Miguel sneak into 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.760 Ernesto de la Cruz's party. Miguel finds him and tells 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.960 him that he is de la Cruz's great great grandson, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.119 which de La Cruz thinks is awesome, and he is 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.040 about to give his blessing to Miguel to go back 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.399 home and be a musician, but just then Hector shows 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.800 up and reveals that all of de la Cruz's songs 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.880 were actually Hector's and that Ernesto the Cruise stole them, 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.119 And then we get this flashback that reveals that the 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:09.400 La Cruz poisoned Hector so that he could steal his songs. Twist, 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.200 What a what a twist. I remember the first time 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:16.760 watching that being like it really gets you, I know. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.240 I was just like, wait, this movie is for babies, 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:23.320 and I didn't know that was gonna happen. This movies 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.919 for baby. That's the thing about Pixar movies, though, is 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.840 that like, yeah, the target audiences children, but they're also 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.919 like so well written that all ages can. Excuse me, 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.200 but I have to say on behalf of Brad Bird 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.679 that the target audience is family. Is everyone? That's yes, 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:48.280 that's true. Sorry, no, I'm sorry, Pixar director Bradbird. It's 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:52.399 very adamant that these are not for children. I'm sorry, 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:57.880 I'm sorry, Bradbird. I'm just a single adults. I don't 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:02.960 know what constitutes a family. Okay, Brad Bird, your your 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.239 statement still doesn't include me somehow. No, I feel like 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:10.680 he would think that you were a fan like you. 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.119 You complete yourself, Jamie, Yeah, you are a family with 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.440 Bird would feel that way. I am my own family unit. 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.600 Please and yeah, exactly, And that's why I feel entitled 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:26.320 to watch The Incredibles two whenever I want. Exactly, I'm 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.320 more of an incredible as one. I'm sorry, but that's 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.320 that's quite a correct answer. You're right, okay. So then 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.600 de la Cruz has Hector and Miguel taken away by 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.720 security and thrown into a cave, where we get another 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.960 big reveal that Hector's daughter. The reason he wants to 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.879 cross back over is Coco a k a. Miguel's great 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:55.040 grandmother a k a. Hector, not Ernesto de la Cruz 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.520 is Miguel's great great grandfather, and Hector wrote the song 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.560 Remember Me for Coco. Then Mama Emailda shows up with 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.920 her Alibrique and rescues Miguel and Hector. Hector tells her 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.680 what happened that you know, he didn't leave her, he 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.439 was murdered, and she's like, um, yeah, I guess. But 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.080 I still can't forgive you, but she does want to 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.119 help him not be forgotten. I do like that. It 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.320 kind of like turns into like the last act of 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.760 a rom com. Once they're once they very unite to 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.120 where it's like, well, these two kids figure it out. 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:34.120