WEBVTT - 25 Greatest Science Ideas Countdown: Day 4

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what Mango?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that will?

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<v Speaker 2>It's day four of our countdown of the twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>greatest science ideas from the past twenty five years. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you believe it? Just a few short days ago it

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<v Speaker 2>was day one of our twenty five greatest science ideas

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<v Speaker 2>in the past twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure you know you're doing something right when

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<v Speaker 1>you've got four sequels. What do you mean by that, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>George Lucas stars Star Wars basically with the fourth film, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry the fourth was such an interesting king that Shakespeare

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a play about him. But you didn't even bother

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<v Speaker 1>with Henry the Third, No not worthy and Rush Hour

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<v Speaker 1>four was so good at made Toy Story two seem

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<v Speaker 1>like Spider Man three.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure you're just saying things now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, but maybe you should just get into

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. Today we are covering ideas eight through five,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you want to know what makes us try

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<v Speaker 1>to various sounds so good, how a HeLa monster is

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<v Speaker 1>helping the world, and why a single injection might help

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<v Speaker 1>paralyze people walk again. You're gonna love this one. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Will Pearson, and of course I'm here with my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Mangesh hot Ticketter and over there in the booth gazing

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<v Speaker 2>wistfully at a portrait of David Dukovney. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where he got this thing, but it's a it's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting portrait. It's our PALIN producer, Dylan Fagan. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell if this has anything to do with

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>They just like slax Files apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, well enjoy that, Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>But all right, well let's get back to the countdown.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day in the early two thousands, a man

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<v Speaker 2>named Kai Ching Lee was strolling down in Oregon beach right,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lee is an engineering professor at Oregon State University,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just enjoying his walk washing the Pacific Ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>just waves roll in and now, and suddenly he noticed

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<v Speaker 2>something along the coast. There were hundreds of muscles clinging

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<v Speaker 2>to rocks, and Lee was impressed with their strength. No

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<v Speaker 2>matter how violent the waves were, no matter how strong

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<v Speaker 2>the pull of the tide was, the muscles just stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in place there and when you actually tried pulling one away,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't budge. And that got Lee thinking about plywood.

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<v Speaker 2>M had he also been to an Ikea recently that

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<v Speaker 2>might have.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe I don't know, but I do know

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<v Speaker 1>that plywood is everywhere, not just furniture and cabinets, but

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<v Speaker 1>also walls, boats, fencing, toys, and for good reason. Like

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<v Speaker 1>plywood is super affordable because instead of a single solid

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<v Speaker 1>chunk of wood, it's made from thin layers glued together

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<v Speaker 1>into a slab. But it turns out the glue that

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<v Speaker 1>holds the plywood together is really kind of nasty. It's

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<v Speaker 1>often made with formaldehyde and other chemicals that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to breathe in, and in fact, there's research suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that people who work in plywood manufacturing plants are at

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<v Speaker 1>increased risk of developing leukemia and other cancers. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Kaiching. Lee was thinking about that day on the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>how to make a better, safer plywood glue.

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<v Speaker 2>And if muscles can stick themselves to rocks, maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>could stick wood together too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so muscles. Natural adhesive has two big advantages over

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<v Speaker 1>traditional plywood glues. First of all, it's non toxic, and secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's waterproof. So if you've ever gotten plywood furniture wet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what a pain it can be because if

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<v Speaker 1>the water isn't dried quickly, the wood layers can start peeling.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a known problem with industrial adhesives, like many

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<v Speaker 1>of them lose their stickiness in the presence of water,

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<v Speaker 1>but not muscle glue.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but how do you get glue out of a muscle?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a good question. So Lee realized right away

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<v Speaker 1>that would be difficult and expensive, not to mention unpleasant

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<v Speaker 1>for the muscles. But he headed to his lab to

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<v Speaker 1>see if he could cook up a synthetic version of

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<v Speaker 1>the muscle glue, and one day, while he was eating

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<v Speaker 1>his lunch, he had another light bulb moment. He realized, soybeans,

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<v Speaker 1>I love how this daily life was just handing him

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific answers that he needed. I know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration is everywhere anyway. People have been making adhesis from

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<v Speaker 1>soy for decades. The problem is, soy based glues tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be weak and they're not waterproof. But Lee knew

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<v Speaker 1>that soybean, flower and muscle glue were made from similar

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<v Speaker 1>makeup of proteins and amino acids, and he wondered, what

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<v Speaker 1>if I altered the chemical profile of soybean glue to

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<v Speaker 1>make it more like the kind made by muscles. So,

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<v Speaker 1>with the help of a grant from the US, Lee

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<v Speaker 1>started tinkering with soy's chemical makeup, and by modifying the

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<v Speaker 1>amino acids in the bean, he successfully created an adhesive

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<v Speaker 1>that was just his waterproof and just as strong as

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<v Speaker 1>the glue made by muscles. In fact, the soybean based

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<v Speaker 1>glue was twice as sticky as hot glue, three times

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<v Speaker 1>stronger than Elmer's glue, and had about the same adhesive

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<v Speaker 1>power as contact cement.

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<v Speaker 2>And has this revolutionized the plywood industry or what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's definitely changed things. Like Lee presented his discovery

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<v Speaker 1>to Columbia Forest Products. They're a major plywood manufacturer, and

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<v Speaker 1>they quickly signed on. So fast forward to today, the

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<v Speaker 1>company has converted all of its factories from formaldehyde glues

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<v Speaker 1>to soy, and pollution rates that some of these plants

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<v Speaker 1>have dropped by as much as ninety percent. Wow, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that insane? And other companies have joined them too, so

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<v Speaker 1>today soy based plywood is an option at most hardware

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<v Speaker 1>and home improvement stores. Other big companies like Ikea and

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<v Speaker 1>General Motors now use soy for some of their plywood

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<v Speaker 1>products because it's safer, stronger, and better for the planet. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>in honor of Lee's incredible discovery that changed home DIY forever,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So I'd like to dedicate this next one

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<v Speaker 2>to all the violinists who have dreamed of owning a

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<v Speaker 2>Stratavius violin but can't stomach the instruments two million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>price tag. They're just not that serious about it, magat

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to spend the two million, so here

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<v Speaker 2>we Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know how many professional violinists listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. But two million dollars is obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>steep price tag for a three hundred year old violin

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<v Speaker 1>that you're probably too scared to play anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, but thanks to research from Swiss arborist Franz Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 2>there's now a cheaper alternative. And while the new instruments

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<v Speaker 2>don't carry the distinction of having been crafted by Italy's

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<v Speaker 2>most revered violin maker, they do boast a tone quality

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<v Speaker 2>that many experts consider to be just as good and

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases may be better, a claim that might

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<v Speaker 2>seem stunning enough, but the real shock is who's responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for the superior sound? Are you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's fungus like Geseppe fungus, the famous Italian violin maker. Nope, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>actual fungus that infested the wood used to make the instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>It is totally bizarre because in most cases, a fungal

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<v Speaker 1>attack destroys wood cell walls and it results in this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of loose soft wood that doesn't sound very pleasant

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<v Speaker 1>if it's made into an instrument. But at Schwartz discovered

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<v Speaker 1>in the late two thousands. There are rare cases where

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<v Speaker 1>fungal infections have a milder effect on the wood's density

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<v Speaker 1>and actually make it sound better. So what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>they thin out the wood cells structure just enough to

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<v Speaker 1>improve its acoustic properties. And so how did he figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out? Exactly? Like do arboris just go around knocking

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<v Speaker 1>on trees to see what sounds they make?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's not how they describe, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like that. Scientists really do bounce sound waves

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<v Speaker 2>off of trees to gauge their health. The funkier the echo,

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<v Speaker 2>the more widespread the wood rot. And so Franz Schwartz

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<v Speaker 2>was using this method himself when he hatched the idea

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<v Speaker 2>for his fungal violin. He wondered how gentler kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>fungus might affect the sound of a wooden instrument, so

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<v Speaker 2>he partnered with Swiss violin maker Michael Ronheimer to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>They selected two different species of wood eating fungi for

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<v Speaker 2>the job. And while I won't bother to pronounce their

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<v Speaker 2>scientific names, I can tell you their nicknames their Rusty

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<v Speaker 2>crust and dead mule's fingers. So those are both.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good I'm not sure which is grosser, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think i'd go with rusty crust.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the right answer. But anyway, the top plate

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<v Speaker 2>of the violin, which was made of spruce, was inoculated

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<v Speaker 2>with rusty crust, and on the bottom, the sycamore plate

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<v Speaker 2>was treated with dead mule's fingers. Both plates were submerged

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<v Speaker 2>in a box of water to stimulate the fungui's growth,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few months later, after killing off the spores,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronheimer put the two halves together to create the world's

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<v Speaker 2>first bio violin. So Schwartz was blown away by the

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<v Speaker 2>instrument's sound, which he described as warmer and rounder than

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<v Speaker 2>that of a conventional violin, and he was so pleased

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<v Speaker 2>with it that he decided to stage a blind sound

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<v Speaker 2>test at an annual forestry conference in Germany, so on

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<v Speaker 2>September first, two thousand and nine a jury of acoustics

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<v Speaker 2>experts and conference attendees. They listened carefully as British violinist

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Trussler played five different instruments from behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>Four of the violins were made by Ronheimer, two of

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<v Speaker 2>them with fungus treated wood and the other two with

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<v Speaker 2>untreated wood. From the same trees, but the fifth instrument

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<v Speaker 2>came from Trustler's own collection, a violin made by Antonio

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<v Speaker 2>Strativeris himself way back in seventeen eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess the goal was to identify which one

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<v Speaker 1>was the true strat in the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. So attendees were asked to rank the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of each instrument they heard and to guess which

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<v Speaker 2>one of them was over three hundred years old. Schwartz

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<v Speaker 2>later admitted that as good as they sounded, he never

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<v Speaker 2>expected one of the fungal violins to be confused for

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<v Speaker 2>a multi million dollar instrument. But in the end, that

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what happened. Out of more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty attendees, one hundred and thirteen of them thought

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<v Speaker 2>that one of Ronheimer's violins, which had been covered with

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<v Speaker 2>fung gui for nine months, was produced by stratuv Areas.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't It wasn't even close.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, the real strat came in a distant second,

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<v Speaker 2>but the other fungus violin claiming third place, and the

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<v Speaker 2>two untreated instruments pulling up the rear so like it

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<v Speaker 2>really does show the difference that it made I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that, like a fungus could change the wood

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<v Speaker 1>and the sound of a violin, but like, why are

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<v Speaker 1>they comparable to stratavarius.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good question, and honestly, no one can really

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<v Speaker 2>say for sure why is violin sound as good as

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<v Speaker 2>they do. The best guess is that it's due to

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<v Speaker 2>the weather in Italy during his lifetime, so strata areas

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<v Speaker 2>happened to live through what people knew as central yuar

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<v Speaker 2>rops little ice age. This happened in the seventeenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>and it brought long winters and cool summers to the region.

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<v Speaker 2>So the unusually chilly temperatures would have slowed the cell

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<v Speaker 2>growth of the local trees there, causing their wood to

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<v Speaker 2>develop more slowly and uniformly, which was the perfect recipe

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<v Speaker 2>for producing wood with stellar acoustics. So, according to Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 2>the fungi treatment he used was able to recreate that

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<v Speaker 2>same ideal structure.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really cool. But if a fungus violin produces a

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<v Speaker 1>richer sound, why don't they do that for all violins now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, partly because not every violin needs the same tonal

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<v Speaker 2>quality as the strativarius. Like it's nice to have different options,

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<v Speaker 2>but the main reason is that Schwartz and his colleagues

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<v Speaker 2>are still working out the details on how you'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>mass produce these. Once they do, the plan is to

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<v Speaker 2>sell the instruments for about thirty thousand dollars each, which

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a lot, but it's actually about what you'd

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<v Speaker 2>pay for other high quality violins.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot less than two million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, you're good at math.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a pause for a quick break, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back more great science ideas right after. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to part time genius listeners, and we are counting down

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<v Speaker 1>to number Okay, So I'm not going to beat around

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<v Speaker 1>the bush on this one. This research totally blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>So scientists and Northwestern University have developed a new treatment

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<v Speaker 1>for spinal cord injuries that allowed paralyzed mice to walk

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<v Speaker 1>again after a single injection. Not only that, the treatment

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<v Speaker 1>has loads of other applications, potentially impacting the way we

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<v Speaker 1>treat everything from bone loss to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I've never heard of this. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a real life cure. All yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still early days. From the research perspective, the team's

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<v Speaker 2>big breakthrough was only back in twenty twenty one, but

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<v Speaker 2>so far the data is really incredible and promising. So

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<v Speaker 2>just to give a little background on why this is

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<v Speaker 2>such a big deal, They're currently about three hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people living with a spinal cord injury in the US alone,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the most severe cases, less than three percent

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<v Speaker 2>of them will ever recover any basic physical functions. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason for that is that the neurons and their spinal

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<v Speaker 2>cords have been completely severed, and thus far as scientists

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been able to find therapeutics that can successfully trigger

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<v Speaker 2>spinal cord regeneration. But that changed with the study from

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<v Speaker 2>Northwestern University. So researchers were able to reverse paralysis and

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<v Speaker 2>mice by injecting them with something they called dancing molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually never heard of that either, so I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>that are the molecules themselves dancing or is it that

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<v Speaker 2>they can restore the mouse's ability to dance? What are

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<v Speaker 2>we referring to?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so no word on whether the mice can dance

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<v Speaker 1>before or after the treatment, but the molecules that were

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<v Speaker 1>injected absolutely can dance. So after being injected as a liquid,

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<v Speaker 1>the molecules coalesced to form tiny synthetic nanofibers that surround

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<v Speaker 1>the spinal cord. And the fibers were composed of tens

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<v Speaker 1>of hundreds of thousands of molecules, and the researchers found

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<v Speaker 1>that by changing their chemical structure, they could control the

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<v Speaker 1>molecule's collective motion. This allowed them to fine tune the

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<v Speaker 1>synthetic molecules movements, speeding them up to match the motion

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<v Speaker 1>of biological molecules within the spinal cord. It turned out

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<v Speaker 1>that the most hyperactive molecules, the ones that were dancing

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<v Speaker 1>the most, were able to connect more effectively with receptors

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<v Speaker 1>in neurons and other cells.

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<v Speaker 2>So once the molecules made that connection, they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to like tell the cells to repair the damage neurons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the dancing molecules triggered to bioactive signals. The

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<v Speaker 1>first prompted the tails of the neurons to regenerate and

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<v Speaker 1>that effectively restored communication between the body and the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>and the second signal promoted the regrowth of lost blood

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<v Speaker 1>cells that feed the neurons and other cells related to

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<v Speaker 1>tissue repair, and the result of this intervention was that

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<v Speaker 1>after just four weeks, these paralyzed mice could regain the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to walk, which is just stunning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's also kind of a testament to the

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<v Speaker 2>power of dance if you think about it, because it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like the approach didn't work so well when they

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<v Speaker 2>tried it with more sluggish molecules.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that souped up molecular motion really was the key

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<v Speaker 1>factor in all of this. The cells and receptors within

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<v Speaker 1>the body are constantly moving, so once the team was

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<v Speaker 1>able to match that speed or vibration, the fast moving

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<v Speaker 1>molecules encountered the receptors much more often, and that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>them to send their signals again and again. The breakthrough

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<v Speaker 1>therapy actually has obvious implications for improving the spinal injuries

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<v Speaker 1>of both humans and animals, but there's reasons to hope

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<v Speaker 1>that the underlying discovery could also be used in other treatments,

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<v Speaker 1>as we allude to before. According to the studies, lead

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<v Speaker 1>researchers Samuel Stupp quote, the central nervous system tissues we

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<v Speaker 1>have successfully regenerated in the injured spinal cord are similar

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<v Speaker 1>to those in the brain affected by stroke and neurodegenerative

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<v Speaker 1>diseases such as als, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Beyond that, our

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental discovery about controlling the motion of molecular assemblies to

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<v Speaker 1>enhance cells signaling could be applied universally across biomedical targets.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're thinking they could fine tune molecules to

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<v Speaker 2>match the motion of other damage cells, not just the

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<v Speaker 2>ones in the spinal cord exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And the most amazing part is they've already done it.

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<v Speaker 1>So just last year, the team from Northwestern applied their

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<v Speaker 1>strategy to damaged human cartilage cells and they found some success. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>normally there's no way for humans to regenerate the tissues

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<v Speaker 1>in our joints once we reach adulthood. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a disease in which cartilage breaks down over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you eventually get to a point where the bone is

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<v Speaker 1>grinding against the bone with no cushion between them. And

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<v Speaker 1>currently the only treatment for this is joint replacement surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>which is extremely invasive and also very expensive. But once again,

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<v Speaker 1>the team here has found a much better solution. So

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<v Speaker 1>using their injectable therapy, they were able to spur cartilage

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<v Speaker 1>regeneration and damaged cells within just a matter of days,

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<v Speaker 1>and once again it was the molecules dancing that triggered

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<v Speaker 1>the process. So building on that second success, the team's

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<v Speaker 1>next goal is to test the therapy's effectiveness at regenerating

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<v Speaker 1>bone and from there the sky's limit because, as Stuff explained, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>now we have observed the effects in two cell types

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<v Speaker 1>that are completely disconnected from one another, cartilage cells in

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<v Speaker 1>our joints and neurons in our brain and spinal cord.

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<v Speaker 1>This makes me more confident that we might have discovered

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<v Speaker 1>a universal phenomena and it could be applied to many

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<v Speaker 1>other tissues.

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<v Speaker 2>That really is amazing. So what's the status of the

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<v Speaker 2>spinal cord repair?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they been able to test this in humans yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Fortunately not. The team's been petitioning the FDA for approval

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<v Speaker 1>to start clinical trials, but so far it's yet to

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<v Speaker 1>be granted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope it does come through sooner rather than later,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like something that could seriously change people's

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<v Speaker 2>lives and of course the lives of mice as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll have them all dancing again soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our next breakthrough is a reminder that medical advances

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<v Speaker 2>can truly come from anywhere, even from inside the mouth

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<v Speaker 2>of a venomous lizard. Now we know this for a

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<v Speaker 2>fact thanks to the work of doctor John Aang. He's

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<v Speaker 2>an endocrinologist and VA researcher who found a way to

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<v Speaker 2>stimulate the insulin producing cells in the pancreas using a

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<v Speaker 2>hormone found in wait for it, the saliva of a

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<v Speaker 2>HeLa monster.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's no way to make that not

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<v Speaker 1>sound crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, just to be clear, helo monsters are not,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, spased monsters or aliens. They're big, desert dwelling

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<v Speaker 2>lizards native to the southwestern United States. They can grow

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<v Speaker 2>to be about twenty inches in length and are easy

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize thanks to their splotchy orange and black coloring. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's rare to see one in person, though, since they

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<v Speaker 2>spend about ninety percent of their lives underground and only

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<v Speaker 2>come to the surface when it's time to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you dc one, you should probably clear away,

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<v Speaker 1>right because they're pretty venomous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you really don't want to mess with one of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys. They have a pretty powerful bite, and because

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<v Speaker 2>their main defense is to pump you full of venom,

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<v Speaker 2>they tend to hang on to whatever they chomp on

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<v Speaker 2>for as long as possible, and the venom glends are

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<v Speaker 2>inside their mouths obviously, right yeah, and they're they're lower jaws,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. So the longer a helo monster clamps down,

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<v Speaker 2>the more venom is injected through their teeth and into

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<v Speaker 2>the bite wound. It was unfortunate enough to have been bitten,

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<v Speaker 2>say the venom stings like molten lava, So these people

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<v Speaker 2>have not only been bitten, but they also have experienced

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<v Speaker 2>molten lava. Apparently are unlucky to keep rough, but for

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<v Speaker 2>people with type two diabetes, it actually can be a

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<v Speaker 2>life saver.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is wild. So how did doctor Ang even think

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<v Speaker 1>to try this? Like, like, why was messing around with

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<v Speaker 1>helo monster spit like the first thing you was thinking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wondered that too. But keep in mind that

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<v Speaker 2>medications derived from animal venom aren't that unusual. Sure, the

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<v Speaker 2>venom of snakes, scorpion, spiders, even the world's only other

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<v Speaker 2>venomous lizard, the komodo dragon. They've all contributed to different

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<v Speaker 2>treatments over the years, and some of the existing research

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<v Speaker 2>is what convinced doctor Ng that helo monsters might be

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for treating diabetes. So let's go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties, when doctor Ng was practicing as a physician

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<v Speaker 2>and a researcher at the VA Hospital in the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 2>He was working to discover new animal hormones with medical potential,

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<v Speaker 2>and since he was an endocrinologist, he was especially interested

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<v Speaker 2>in ones that might treat diabetes. This eventually led him

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<v Speaker 2>to an article from the National Institutes of Health about

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<v Speaker 2>the effects of certain snake and lizard venoms on the pancreas.

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<v Speaker 2>Studies showed that some venoms, including that of the Helo monster,

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<v Speaker 2>could trigger inflammation in the pancreas where insulin is produced. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this convinced doctor Ing that the HeLa monster venom was

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<v Speaker 2>worth a closer look, and so in nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 2>he discovered a new hormone in the animals, salivam, which

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<v Speaker 2>he called extendin four Now. When he tested the compound

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<v Speaker 2>on mice, he was shocked to find that it reduced

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<v Speaker 2>their blood glucose levels by stimulating the insulin producing cells

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<v Speaker 2>in the pancreas. In fact, it worked very similarly to

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<v Speaker 2>the GLP one hormone found in the digestive tract of humans,

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<v Speaker 2>with one other important difference. Extending four degraded in the

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<v Speaker 2>body much slower, so for reference, a diabetic would have

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<v Speaker 2>to inject GLP one every hour to keep an effective

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<v Speaker 2>amount of insulin in the bloodstream, but extending four would

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<v Speaker 2>only need to be injected once a day, which obviously

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a game changer. It absolutely was, but unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>it took quite a while for doctor Ang's discovery to

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<v Speaker 2>get the attention it deserved. Although the VA had funded

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<v Speaker 2>his initial research, it showed very little interest in his findings,

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<v Speaker 2>and neither did big pharmam. Injecting diabetics with proteins from

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<v Speaker 2>lizard venom was just kind of deemed too weird for

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream medicine, so doctor Ang's research wound up languishing for

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<v Speaker 2>years until this small biotech startup with a focus on

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<v Speaker 2>diabetes finally took notice. So the resulting drug, exenotide, was

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<v Speaker 2>approved by the FDA in two thousand and five, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's now used by millions of diabetic patients worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love that these like venomous lizard creatures are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these things that like everyone is afraid of,

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible for saving humans lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they don't even know it the lizards or

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<v Speaker 2>the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, also, the lizards might not be too happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I read that HeLa monster numbers are way down in

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<v Speaker 1>recent years because we keep destroying their habitats, and if

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<v Speaker 1>we aren't careful, we might lose those little guys completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be a huge loss, even from a self

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<v Speaker 2>serving perspective. I mean, if they prove this to be

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<v Speaker 2>useful and humans wants, who's to say other medical secrets

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<v Speaker 2>might be hiding in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think it's kind of a branding problem, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if we renamed them helaqds instead of Heala monsters, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they'd have more of a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great idea. Maybe we should push

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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