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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode two to zero. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Brad Rowland, coming to you on a Sunday here in

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Speaker 1: the ending portion of June, and I'm joined as I

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Speaker 1: always am, by Scott Coleman. Scott, it was not the

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Speaker 1: best weekend for the Braves.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Brad, and goodness you think about where this team

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Speaker 2: was and where this podcast was on Thursday night, Braves

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Speaker 2: coming off a sweep of the Mets, and not just

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Speaker 2: swept the Mets, but they I mean they dog walked

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Speaker 2: New York for three games and then in almost the

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Speaker 2: most predictable way imaginable, the Braves then go to Miami

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Speaker 2: play a bad Marlins team and drop two out of

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Speaker 2: three somehow, just a perfect on brand for not only

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Speaker 2: this year, but last year too. And you know, the

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Speaker 2: last fourteen to fifteen months they have not been super

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Speaker 2: fun as an Atlanta Braves fan. But it's weird. I

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Speaker 2: think now for the second week in a row, the

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Speaker 2: Braves went four and two, but it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: four and two whenever we come together on this Sunday

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Speaker 2: to do a podcast.

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Speaker 1: For sure, you and I did not talk Thursday night

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Speaker 1: we talked to Wednesday, but we did have a show

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Speaker 1: on this feed. It was pretty upbeat. When you and

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Speaker 1: I talk Wednesday, it's pretty upbeat. And if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to be positive. I'm not sure if anybody wants to

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Speaker 1: be at this point, but if you wanted to be

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Speaker 1: they are seven and three in the last ten games.

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Speaker 1: You do that every ten games, you're in good shape.

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Speaker 1: But when you kind of give back some of the

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Speaker 1: games that you make against the Mets, tough to be

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Speaker 1: as excited, and the Braves are not back to thirty

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Speaker 1: five and forty one on the season. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: how that unfolded. We'll get into some other topics, including

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Speaker 1: the seemingly everlasting Michael Harris discussion that's happening right now

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Speaker 1: because he's been struggling quite badly this season. I also

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Speaker 1: plug this of the show that will come back to

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Speaker 1: it in a moment. There was an Emercy podcast which

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Speaker 1: I was not part of, but you were on Saturday

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Speaker 1: afternoon for a not great reason, as you guys talked

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Speaker 1: about at the time, like most of Mercy podcasts in

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Speaker 1: June are not good ones, and that wasn't to go

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Speaker 1: with either about Chris Sale and his injury. You know,

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Speaker 1: lots of things to get to at the top, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you were just coming out of us and didn't

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Speaker 1: see anything this weekend. The Braves did lose to out

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Speaker 1: of three to the Marlins. Kind of predictable, like you said,

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Speaker 1: but still they do play the next seven games against

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Speaker 1: the Mets and the Phillies heading into the stretch. We've

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Speaker 1: previewed it in detail, all these three out of four series,

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Speaker 1: but against the Mets and Phillies those supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the hard ones. Of course, you lose to the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: That's the reminder of baseball being baseball. Nothing is ever

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Speaker 1: assured in baseball. But this is this stat's a great

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Speaker 1: one that I will tee you up with. It comes

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Speaker 1: from Austin Kane Reach of battery power. The Braves are

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Speaker 1: now ten and ten this season against these four teams combined,

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Speaker 1: And as our friend and colleague Steve Tober pointed out,

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Speaker 1: the Braves are four and two against the Rockies, which

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Speaker 1: isn't great, but it's used you're winning. That means they're

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Speaker 1: You cannot do that. I mean, it's great when you

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Speaker 1: middling against the really dregs of the National League, and

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Speaker 1: the Brains have done that so far, and at the.

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Speaker 2: End of the day, all wins are equal. Like, this

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Speaker 2: is not the BCS from twenty years ago in college football,

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Speaker 2: it's just I think if you said a week ago

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Speaker 2: taken it. And they have a very important seven games

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Speaker 2: if they can continue to win, if they go four

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Speaker 2: when the competition is ultimately going to be better the

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Speaker 1: You're right, and we'll come back to it in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But the Braves going seven to three in those ten

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Speaker 1: other losses, and that's been a theme of the season,

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Speaker 1: and we all know that. At this point, I do

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Speaker 1: feel like I know we had then emigrascy podcast. It's

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Speaker 1: big enough news where we kind of have to talk

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Speaker 1: about Chris Sale early and the resulting It's more about

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Speaker 1: We all understand that you guys covered it in detail

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Speaker 1: watch that show. Very good reaction from you guys having

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Speaker 1: multiple broken ribs for Bryan Sticker. That's painful, sounds awful

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Speaker 1: People have been projecting similar issues. That's not gospel, but

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Speaker 1: I throw all that. Now you've had a day and

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Speaker 1: How are you thinking about this whole thing now? Because

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Speaker 2: So a couple of bullet points I think, just first

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Speaker 2: and foremost, man Chris Sale, his propensity to pick up

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Speaker 2: Just bizarre injuries, and it's, you know, now, thinking about

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Speaker 2: But I mean, there's no replacing Chrisale. This team's margin

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Speaker 2: You can't trade for a Chris Sale. There's no Chrisale

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Speaker 1: We will undoubtedly discuss this more as we get closer

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Speaker 1: And you guys did a good job on that show's

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Speaker 1: thought it was pretty good actually for a first start.

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Speaker 1: He'd give him a chance to win. But when you're

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Speaker 1: I mean we've been, if anything, but accused of being

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Speaker 1: as I have been. But look, it's a massive thing,

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Speaker 1: and they as a team Scott, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he knows this. They've lost more than they have won

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Speaker 2: I know the Braids don't have a good backup center

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Speaker 1: way they can do he is not out of options.

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Speaker 1: They can you and allowed a week, send him down

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Speaker 1: anytime they want and always paid contract a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: If they think that Michael, that it will help Michael

432
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Speaker 1: Harris long term, you gotta do it. And neither one

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Speaker 1: of us are professional professional hitting coaches. We know a

434
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Speaker 1: lot about baseball. We're not that so am I gonna

435
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Speaker 1: tell you that there's one hundred percent certainty that will

436
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Speaker 1: help Michael Harris. No, but when you haven't walked in

437
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Speaker 1: more than a calendar month, playing every single day, some wrong, Yeah,

438
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: Like that's one stat but it's true. I mean he's

439
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Speaker 1: never walked, but this year he has a career low

440
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Speaker 1: walk rate by a lot. It's like three percent. It's

441
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Speaker 1: always been low, like five percent, and that been that

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Speaker 1: sound like months. That's a pretty big difference. Like three

443
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Speaker 1: percent is bad, Like it's I mean it's already back five.

444
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Speaker 1: So the combination, Yeah, the power, Like look when he

445
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Speaker 1: hits the ball hard, it's still puffs off the bat

446
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Speaker 1: like he said some homers at good times, Like he

447
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: still has power if he connects, but that on base

448
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Speaker 1: I mean it's literally I looked it up today. He

449
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: has the lowest on base percentage of any qualified hitter

450
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Speaker 1: inmagor league baseball. It's June twenty second. That's not a

451
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Speaker 1: small staple size anymore. You're talking about three months now.

452
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Speaker 1: He has been the worst player in baseball at getting

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Speaker 1: on base. When you're as fast as he is, that

454
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be possible. Yeah, Like batting average is like, I'm

455
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Speaker 1: gonna have to do batting average thing now. But batting

456
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Speaker 1: average I don't really care. I mean, it'd be nice

457
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Speaker 1: to be out if he had a better batting average

458
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Speaker 1: when you don't walk. Ever, you can't carry two twenty

459
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: three batting average, like because they're not gonna So anyway,

460
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: we understand how bad he's been. He has signed for

461
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: five years they have. You know, if I maybe it's

462
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: when Profar comes up. If it's still this bad in

463
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: ten days, they say, hey, Mike, we wanted to wait

464
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Speaker 1: for Profar to come up. We got to send you

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Speaker 1: down and just reset somethm like, we got to just

466
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Speaker 1: try something else, maybe a foil stint, whatever it's got

467
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: to be to get him reset. Because look, we just

468
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Speaker 1: said earlier on this show that the season's not over,

469
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Speaker 1: and I do believe that they're in a tough spot,

470
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Speaker 1: no question, But this is bigger than this season for

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris, Like, yeah, it's not like he's making forty

472
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Speaker 1: million a year. Like you can if all else fails,

473
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Speaker 1: if things fall apart forever, you can deal with it.

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Speaker 1: But you don't want to have to, like you really

475
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Speaker 1: would like Michael Harris to be your center fielder for

476
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Speaker 1: the rest of this contract, because that's it's eight figures

477
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Speaker 1: per season, So like it's much. It's much bigger than

478
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Speaker 1: right now, Like he's killing us now, he's frustrating air

479
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: right now. For sure, it's bigger than that for a

480
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Speaker 1: young still young guy who you signed long term. You

481
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Speaker 1: got to be kind of not desperate, but you've got

482
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Speaker 1: to be willing to be aggressive to like say, like,

483
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Speaker 1: we got to fix this and not just for now.

484
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Speaker 2: You have to do something like what's the definition of insanity?

485
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Speaker 2: You have to do Whether you want to send Mike

486
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: to Gwinnette for two weeks probably won't change anything. But

487
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: sometimes it's a wake up call. Sometimes it's a new

488
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Speaker 2: perspective playing in Gwinnett or on the road on the

489
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Speaker 2: bus trips instead of you know, playing in Major League

490
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Speaker 2: stadiums foe, I l m put him say, Mike has

491
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Speaker 2: footsore on us for ten days and just give him

492
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Speaker 2: a mental reset, let him spend a couple hours watching

493
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Speaker 2: film and really study what he is doing wrong. I

494
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Speaker 2: would like to think that Mike is self aware enough

495
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Speaker 2: that this is unbelievably bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean he he knows for sure, he knows,

497
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Speaker 1: and it's hard. Like if you want to be a pessimist,

498
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to be right now. Like our a

499
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Speaker 1: guy that I've been following for a long time at

500
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Speaker 1: Capitol Avenue, great follow on Twitter. Smart guy was going

501
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Speaker 1: through some of the history of guys with his profile,

502
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Speaker 1: like his walk rate. At this point, it's ugly, man like,

503
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Speaker 1: it's not impossible for him to dig out of it.

504
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Speaker 1: But it's you've got to like, it's not a small thing.

505
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: It's an approach. It's an overall approach issue, which makes

506
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Speaker 1: which again is why I'm saying I'm not to this point. Honestly,

507
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Speaker 1: I've not been in like in the camp of set

508
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Speaker 1: him down to the minors because of what they have

509
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Speaker 1: around him, all those things. But the longer this goes,

510
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Speaker 1: you've got to do something different and that's a lazy

511
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Speaker 1: thing to say. I understand. It's like easy for us

512
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Speaker 1: on the outside to say that I do. I do

513
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Speaker 1: acknowledge that. But you can't he hasn't walked in five weeks. Like,

514
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Speaker 1: you can't that it can't happen. It's impossible. I don't know. Well,

515
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Speaker 1: I'll stop yelling about it, but it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: And to be clear, yeah, well we'll wrap up, we'll

517
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Speaker 2: get to the games. But you know, to be clear,

518
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Speaker 2: there is no awesome, even good, even passable backup option

519
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Speaker 2: for centerfie.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's Eli White, Jared Kellnick, who's been bad

521
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Speaker 1: in Gwinette by the way, and then honestly, Carlos Rodriguez,

522
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Speaker 1: who people have never talked about it on the show,

523
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Speaker 1: we might talk about when they signed him. He might

524
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Speaker 1: be the guy to go to. He's in Gwinette right

525
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Speaker 1: now and playing much better than Kellnick. He has he

526
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Speaker 1: has some measuremage experience, some fringie breaks like, but that's

527
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Speaker 1: not like anybody wants to see playing center field. No, Like,

528
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we know what's gonna happen. If

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Speaker 1: it's if they waite soil Propark comes back. You could

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Speaker 1: just say Eli White you're playing center for two weeks, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I don't love that, but it's an option.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably if I had to guess, I mean,

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Speaker 2: give it another week with Michael Harris and see where

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Speaker 2: it's at. Because as bad as Mike has been, if

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Speaker 2: you do this move, now you're starting Eli White probably

536
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Speaker 2: in centerfield every night. You're starting Verdugo onfield, who is

537
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Speaker 2: impossibly bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's to give the numbers number to go because

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Speaker 1: we've said that off pan ilex Ford to Go currently

540
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: has a negative zero point six Fangrafts war for the season.

541
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Speaker 1: Now that's obviously self explanatory bad. Michael Harris because he

542
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: has the glove that he has and the legs he

543
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: has has been one of the five word series in baseball.

544
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Speaker 1: And he's still been a zero zero war guy. Yeah, which,

545
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: to be clear, is bad. That's not average. Zero is

546
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Speaker 1: not average. War zero has replacedment level. That's bad, but

547
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: he's still been notably better if bean Alexford dugo. So

548
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: that's us of how bad Alex Vidugo has been playing. No.

549
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: So it's crazy and well, I want to be want

550
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: to be clear, we're not picking on Mike. He's not

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: but the worst part in his own outfield, Alex. That's

552
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Speaker 1: why I said that, like, it's not in Michael Harris

553
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Speaker 1: is the worst part of a team thing because he's

554
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: actually still not right now. But he's the guy they've

555
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: invested in, he's the rookie of the year, he's the

556
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: guy they've it's all that he's signed long term. This

557
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: is a big picture problem, race Yep, it's not a

558
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: June twenty second problem. That's why I'm bringing it up now.

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Speaker 1: And he's a center fielder. By the way, speaking of

560
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Speaker 1: we talked about shortstops for years now, starry pictures. You

561
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: know what doesn't doesn't grow on trees? Quality?

562
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Center field play, Yeah, hard to find. It is hard

563
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: to find really right now. The three biggest needs for

564
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: his team center field, Well, they don't have a need

565
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 2: in center field. They need Michael Harris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Harris to wake up.

567
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah right, because he has You couldn't trade him. He

568
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: has no value right now. You have to do something.

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Speaker 2: Shortstop has been a problem for years. It was interesting.

570
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Alexanthopolis was on radio a couple of days ago.

571
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Speaker 1: I think he.

572
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Speaker 2: Basically admitted that they were really trying to upgrade shortstop.

573
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Speaker 2: This offseason, but just no one was really available, like

574
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, Williams.

575
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: We did say that on the show numerous times. Still

576
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: like it's hard.

577
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Right, Like Willi Adamas got a massive amount of money

578
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: and he's been pretty awful with the giants, like terrible.

579
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: You want to throw another bad deal on here right now?

580
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Speaker 2: In addition to Harris and you know Austin Riley. Dear lord,

581
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: we won't do Riley again, but he looks terrible. He's

582
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: not hitting for power, he's striking out. As we set

583
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: off the top, there's like three guys in this lineup pitting.

584
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Speaker 2: You're not gonna win games doing that. You're just not

585
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Speaker 2: you are.

586
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: You are not? All right, Well, that's a tough segment,

587
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: but we'll wrap it. We'll wrap it there about the

588
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: offense and Harris and hopefully they can wake up a

589
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: little bit. But I mean, look, the players are the players,

590
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: and it's well, we like to at least be relatively

591
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: especially especially Sean, relatively optimistic. But that bottom forty percent

592
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: of the lineup every day is it's a tough scene,

593
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: all right, Scott. We'll get to some of the games

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Speaker 1: in short fashion from this weekend and then to look

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Speaker 1: ahead to the week to the week to come, which

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00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: is again a big one, plus a little bit news

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Speaker 1: that actually dropp during the podcast. We'll get into all

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Speaker 1: that and more after a word from our partners. Okay,

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00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Scott observation from the games. This is not gonna be

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Speaker 1: a full recap like we might do normally, but because

601
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Speaker 1: of the pitching, I want to focus a lot on

602
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Speaker 1: the pitching stuff. Deear Fuentes through on Friday. Because it

603
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Speaker 1: was a mercy podcast you guys did yesterday, you didn't

604
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the performance that much. He just

605
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: turned twenty. We all know the deal. Literally the youngest

606
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: brave to pitch in a game since nineteen seventy. I'm old.

607
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed in nineteen seventy. So there's that. Uh

608
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: and Fortes only had one starting, one net and six

609
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: starts total above high A. And suddenly he's throwing into

610
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Speaker 1: major leagues and talents A guy we had gorv back

611
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: on the show. Awesome interview with GORB. He's awesome. Talk

612
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Speaker 1: about him. To prep you, I thought, big picture, I

613
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Speaker 1: don't I want to know what you agree or disaground.

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Speaker 1: I thought, what does looked? Okay, it's a pretty good Honestly,

615
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Speaker 1: there was one big mistake. Yeah, three on homer. That's

616
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Speaker 1: gonna happen to anybody. But other than that, he looked

617
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Speaker 1: pretty good to my eyes. The quotes were positive. Sean Murphy,

618
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Speaker 1: who caught him that night, who knows a lot about pitching,

619
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Speaker 1: you would imagine, was pretty impressed and not look in

620
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: a performative way like you can gotta tell when guys

621
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: were just saying the right thing. He went above and

622
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Speaker 1: beyond what he had to say about Puentes. It was

623
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Speaker 1: like glowing, Yeah, what do you make of this? Because

624
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be around for a while.

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Speaker 2: As we discussed, Yeah, truly, I thought Diddier had maybe

626
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: a ten pitch sequence that he would like to have back.

627
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: The Really, the one crushing blow was that three run

628
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Speaker 2: homer where he threw a breaking ball and it was

629
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: just dead center and yeah, and the Marlins hit or

630
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: crushed it. But if you're looking for reasons for optimism,

631
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: Didier did not look overwhelmed by any means. And it

632
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: was the Marlins. They're not a very good team, but

633
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: a good opportunity for him to get his feet wet

634
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: in the major leagues. I don't know of anybody, even

635
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: the biggest didty Er fuenttest fan on the earth, even

636
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Didtier's dad? Who? Man, I thought that was such a

637
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: cool moment to be sitting in the front row for

638
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: your son's debut. He was hanging on to his cross

639
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: necklace like you know, it was.

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: Living and dine. That was also it was fun to watch,

641
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: like you, But I can't imagine what that feels like.

642
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: It's not it's not always what we do on the podcast,

643
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine being the dad even like just yeah,

644
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: how do you watch that and not be like melting

645
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I'd be melting down like I melt down watch my

646
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: watch my brother coach high school basketball games. That's not

647
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the same thing.

648
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: So right, first, you're you're just now older than a

649
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: teenage son pitching in the major leagues.

650
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: In the majors.

651
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it was a cool moment for sure, And

652
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: I think the most optimistic if you if you're looking

653
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: for ways to tell yourself that Dittier can be successful

654
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: in the major leagues, if you look at pitch tracking

655
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: like stuff plus, which is a very advanced stat I

656
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: think most common fans probably haven't heard of it, but

657
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: stuff plus basically measures how good your pitches are, the movement,

658
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 2: the spin rate, contact levels, all that. Flint has graded

659
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: out exceptionally well. I think he had the sixth best

660
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: stuff thrown by any pitcher on Friday night across the

661
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: entire league, and that's really encouraging. And he still has

662
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: things to learn, still has to know what to do

663
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: when he's up two in the count, really kind of

664
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: like the things that Schwellenbach had to learn a year ago.

665
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: Because Didier was thrown a lot of strikes. He just

666
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: needs to learn how to maybe not throw so many strikes,

667
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: how to really bury a breaking ball when you're a head,

668
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: and account the things that you're frankly not going to

669
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: do when you have six starts above high A. It's

670
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: just going to come a time, and he's going to

671
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: have his hands full with the Mets this week. But

672
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: hopefully Diddyer is able to go out there and build

673
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: on what he learned and hopefully just kind of settle

674
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: in and catch his breath, because I'm sure this past

675
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: week was just a total whirlwind for him.

676
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh it had to be, There's no question about that.

677
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: So look, I don't know how well he's going to

678
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: pitch in New York, which is going to happen this week.

679
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: That's a big test. That's different. That's different than pitching

680
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: on Miami for sure. But I was relatively encouraged, while

681
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: also saying he's a twenty year old and my baseline

682
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: projection for that, even a talented guy like he is

683
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: is not going to be incredibly high. It's just not.

684
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: So we'll see if he can hang. I hope he can.

685
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I was encouraged by the start. It is one start

686
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: and we'll leave it there. Saturday was the one nice

687
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: performance over the weekend, a seven to nothing victory, just

688
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: very breezy. Grant Holmes and the bullpen combined for a

689
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: shoutout other than a home run by Drake Balwin. The

690
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: pitching is the story, Grant Holmes. This is for me

691
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: the stat that plays up the most with Grand Holmes.

692
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: Eight starts in a row. Now he's allowed three runs

693
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: reviewer and a lot of say a lot some of

694
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: those times. I don't think he pitched that well. There's

695
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: been some like rockiness, but what you gave your shat

696
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: when you're Grand Holmes and well, I guess it's the

697
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: third starter. Now, what you're supposed to be the fourth

698
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: starter or fifth starter, whatever is going to be coming

699
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, if you have a chance every game

700
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: eight starts in a row, that's really good. He raised

701
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: in the threes. I cannot say enough about Grand Holmes.

702
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he was awesome actually on Saturday, despite

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: the fact that he, you know, was part of a

704
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: shoutout victory. I don't think he was great at all.

705
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: But every time he pitches, they have a chance, and

706
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: that's like kind of nice.

707
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: Honestly, he was probably effectively wild. He had five walks

708
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: to a Marlins lineup that's not very good, but good

709
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: on Grant got a couple of timely double plays, and

710
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: the Marlins hit a couple of balls well but just

711
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: right at somebody. And you know, we're here in the

712
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: middle of the season pretty much, and Grant Holmes has

713
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: an era of like three point seven. You take that

714
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: every single day of the week. And really, for Holmes,

715
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: that slider is nasty. He gets so much swing and

716
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: miss on that slider. It's really just a matter of

717
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: his fastball and establishing it in the zone and really

718
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: using it to get hitters out. Because that slider's gonna

719
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: play just about every start. It's the secondary stuff, which

720
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: is kind of funny to say when you're talking about

721
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: a fastball, because Holmes clearly lives off that slider. That

722
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: is his go to pitch when he needs an out.

723
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: But you just keep rolling with it. You take it

724
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: as long as you can. And I mean, a big

725
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: tip of the cap we meet as we come up

726
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: on the midway point. Grant Holmes is probably one of

727
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: the five most important or most I guess positive storylines

728
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: of this season so far.

729
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's just like, hang on, Grant, if

730
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: you could do this again for another half of the season,

731
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: we'll all be thrilled. Not a guarantee, and that's part

732
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: of what we were trying to say before the injury

733
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: to sale was that not having a margin for Aeron

734
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: your invitation is dangerous. But Holmes you cannot complain about

735
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: at the very least. I don't know if he's if

736
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: he's really a three point seven era pitcher as a starter,

737
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's real, but he is a

738
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: major league starter. That's been pretty evident to me through now.

739
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: There was, honestly, there was some uncertainty about that coming

740
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: into the season. I mean, we all like Grant Holmes

741
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: on the show, but like he had never done this

742
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: before over a large sample size, and now it's been

743
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: three months of him being a quality major league starter,

744
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: which is nice to have. As for Sunday back and

745
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: forth game, maddening game. Honestly, Bryce had the lead a

746
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: couple times, not never a comfortable lead, but a one

747
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: un lead a couple times. My only real takeaways are

748
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: the following. Number one. I want to leave with this one.

749
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I thought Brian Siccret did a very bad job leaving

750
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: Bryce Oller out there to die. Yeah, I wanted to

751
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: lead with that before. I also say Elder was pretty bad.

752
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I thought, especially when you were justed with the Marlins

753
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: all those things to give him eleven base runners and

754
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: five and a third innings five in runs. He had

755
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: the absolute knockdown jam against the Giants that was memorable

756
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: and awesome, and the two starts of he's been pretty

757
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: darn bad. So again, I want to be sure, I

758
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: thought Snid did him no favors, but even before that,

759
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't think you pitched very well. And it's a

760
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: reminder of what he is like. Not to be mean

761
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: about Rice, but by the way it's done his job,

762
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: he's got to raise like four point seven. That's not good,

763
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: but it's kind of what I expected for Bryce Elder. Yeah,

764
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: and he wasn't suposed to be starting at this point

765
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: in time. He's he's the seventh or eighth guy, and

766
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: now he's the fourth guy. And that's what happens when

767
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: you have injuries.

768
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again snit did no favors like all of Twitter.

769
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get a consensus

770
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: on Twitter. Everybody was like, why is Bryce Elder still

771
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: on this game?

772
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I thought ste was gonna happen in your as our

773
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: guy Stephens. Yeah, not enjoying himself.

774
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: I just found myself shaking my head. And it was

775
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: a one run game. In some ways, this felt like

776
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: a game Brian Snicker was managing as if the Braves

777
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: had a nine game lead for the division in the

778
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: second weekend of September, and it's like whatever, as long

779
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: as they don't just completely fall out, fall off the mountain,

780
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: they're going to be in the playoffs. No, every game matters,

781
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: there's no there's no given away games. This bullpen has

782
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: not been taxed.

783
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: Give a stat go ahead. It's it's ridiculous.

784
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: The Braves have the Braves bullpen is among the fewest.

785
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: It is the fewest. It is the fewest, right.

786
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Right, And this past week it wasn't like the bullpen

787
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: was super heavily taxed. They won seven to nothing on Saturday,

788
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: so it wasn't if they played fourteen innings on Saturday.

789
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: And you can give the manager some leeway of Okay,

790
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: we're just gonna see get every single out you can

791
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: squeeze out of them. Just this team has issues. We

792
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: don't need Brian Snicker to do things like giving up

793
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: basically a free run in Miami by sending Elder out

794
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: there again when he was clearly done.

795
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: Part of this is that they have played about a

796
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: game or two fewer than a lot of teams. But

797
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: even on a per game basis, the bullpen has thrown

798
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: the fewest innings in baseball this year. They have thrown

799
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: fifteen fewer innings than any other team in the bullpen fifteen. Yeah, like,

800
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: and not all those are created equal. There are times

801
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: when the bullpen has been tax this year. There are times,

802
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: but this was not one of them. They've gotten a

803
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: lot of depth from starting pitchers in the last week.

804
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, famously, Sale went into the ninth. They've

805
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: had some long starts recently, and I know they're prepping.

806
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: I know they don't have a day off tomorrow. Like,

807
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: I can make the excuses if you want me to to,

808
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: like maybe be conservative, but if they were down by three,

809
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I would have given him a little bit more grace there.

810
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: I really would have. But you're it was a one

811
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: run game or a tie game, and we all we

812
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: won't rehash all the issues that I have with snit

813
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: and like times through the order and just not being

814
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: proactive enough. If that had been Schwellenbach like obviously would have,

815
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: we would have understood. But Bryce older, I know, we

816
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: had the great start, two starts to go, but like

817
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: he's not he's should be shrieve back, a fifth starter,

818
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: that's what he is. And to have him kind of

819
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: die on the vine and that cost him two runs

820
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: and then lost by two. I'm not saying they would

821
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: have won the game, but man, like that was tough

822
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: to see. So that was all I happened. We again,

823
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we could go through every single ending if

824
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: you wanted to. Ronald Hey, breaking news, Roncunya and Matt

825
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Olsen are good. Yeah, bo Bob would had a good

826
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: weekend and that.

827
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Was it, and one note from this weekend and thank God.

828
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna lose my mind if this change is

829
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: on Monday. But it seems like Brian Snicker has finally,

830
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: for the love of God, finally has stopped batting Alex

831
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: Radugo second in the order. I think it was Saturday

832
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: that they made the swap. It's Acuna one, Olsen two,

833
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: Riley three, Ozuna four, Ozuna three, Riley four. But regardless,

834
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: it needs to be a Kuna one in Olsen two

835
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: because those are far and away your best hitters right now.

836
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't think Ozuna is healthy. I really don't. I

837
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: know Ozuna has.

838
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say we bruised, we breeze past him,

839
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: but he has uh been pretty rough now for a

840
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: few weeks.

841
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he tearing his hip. Yeah he has the

842
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: bad hip. Riley dear God, I mean, Riley looks so

843
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: we won't do more offense. Riley looks terrible right now.

844
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: And even if his numbers are not like abysmal, I

845
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: think they're like in the I think he has a

846
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: seven thirty seven forty seven fifty ops. He's also running

847
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: like a three eighty or three ninety batting average on

848
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: balls and play, which is going to regress. He has

849
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: been terrible, man, what what in I'll stop. I can't

850
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: keep talking about this offense. I'm gonna Papa blood Vessel

851
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: on a Sunday night here. But yeah, just have you

852
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: We'll move on.

853
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: Have you noticed it's curious to me Austin Radley gets

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Speaker 1: a lot less negative attention when he struggles. Then another

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Speaker 1: guy struggle. Weird, Yeah, just weird, strange, all right.

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Speaker 2: That is a that is a win for our podcast

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Speaker 2: that this fan base weirdly has a blind eye to

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Speaker 2: Riley and God forbid metals and make one mistake and

859
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Speaker 2: everybody kills him. But yeah, we'll move on.

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Speaker 1: The bit of news I referenced earlier Broke during the

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Speaker 1: podcast Our Guy, Our Semi pollygu Ken Rosenthal, who has

862
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Speaker 1: a show on this network, reported that James McCann, who

863
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Speaker 1: the Braves signed this winter as a catching depth option,

864
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Speaker 1: has been a Onnette. He has been released by the

865
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Speaker 1: Braves so that he can sign with Scott's Arizo Diamondbacks.

866
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Speaker 1: So James McCann, of course, if you might remember this

867
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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, he gave the interesting ibor raising

868
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Speaker 1: quotes that were kind of like bashing the front office

869
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Speaker 1: from Gwinnette. But he had the same out that Kimberl

870
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Speaker 1: had basically, where like if he was going to sign

871
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Speaker 1: somewhere else, the Brace had to let him go, and

872
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Speaker 1: he got the offer. He's now gone. No impact on

873
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: the Midge right now because unless Murphy or Ballman get

874
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: hurt knock on Wood, there's no role for Bolt for McCann.

875
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Speaker 1: But like he is a fringe Major leaguer at the

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Speaker 1: very least, So that's an organizational loss. I guess.

877
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Speaker 2: Yeah, these happen all the time. Teams stein a veteran

878
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Speaker 2: basically knowing he's gonna play in Triple A unless there

879
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: is an injury on your team or an opportunity arises.

880
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Speaker 2: The Diamondbacks just lost their catcher. I think they might

881
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Speaker 2: have lost both their catchers actually, so they were looking

882
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: for somebody and you know, so long, James mccannon. Well, well,

883
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Speaker 2: I guess we'll always have those interesting quotes about Craig Gambrel.

884
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Speaker 1: And not a lot. Fare well, fairly well, James McCann.

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Speaker 1: Before you out of here. The Braves head to New

886
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Speaker 1: York to face the Mets beginning on Monday, there's no

887
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Speaker 1: day off as there sometimes is on Monday. The Mets

888
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: are currently playing right now. They play the Phillies on

889
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: ESPN Sunda Night Baseball, so we don't know the result

890
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: of that game. The Mets finally won a game on Saturday.

891
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: They had lost what was like seven or eight in

892
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: a row. They were in a total funk. They finally

893
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: won yesterday. They're still good. Let's not throw me off

894
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: the set. The matter's so good. But the pitching problems

895
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Speaker 1: that I've been announced. It's a Monday at Schwollen back

896
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: against Paul Blackburn, which is a good match by the Braves.

897
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Speaker 1: The Strider against Bricky Mantas on Tuesday. That's two advantages

898
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Speaker 1: for the Braves, three and fourth games less. So it's

899
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Speaker 1: Tuenes against Clay Holmes on Wednesday, and then Grant Holmes

900
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Speaker 1: against everyone's favorite starting pitcher for the New York Mets Braves, legend,

901
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Speaker 1: Griffin Canning. Interesting situation. They didn't see kan last I

902
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: don't think they saw the in the first series, and

903
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: of course, like it became very convenient to yell at

904
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Speaker 1: Alex for not keeping Gryffin Canning, which makes it I mean, look,

905
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: we talked about it then that was like they could

906
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Speaker 1: keep brick kicking, and they didn't.

907
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they did not keep Griffin Canning around.

908
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Speaker 2: They could have done like a tryout with Canning in

909
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: the spring for five hundred thousand dollars guaranteed and then

910
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Speaker 2: moved on from him as a R of eligible player,

911
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: and they defaded or non tendered him. I don't know,

912
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Speaker 2: But we'll see. If Griffin Canning throw a six shutout

913
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Speaker 2: against the Braves on Thursday night, you can imagine what

914
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Speaker 2: the reaction will be.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I think you pointed this out to

916
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Speaker 1: me before we started recording. Canning has cooled off. He

917
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: had been great early in the year and he's been

918
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: pretty ordinary the last like six or seven starts. He

919
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: is up to like four and now like he's still

920
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: been fine, and the Braves could have used him to

921
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Speaker 1: be one hundred percent clear, but he has not been

922
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Speaker 1: dominant recently, which we probably due for a dominant sargus

923
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Speaker 1: the Braves. But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, Braves are probably getting the Mets

925
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Speaker 2: at the best opportunity possible. We'll see what happens over

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Speaker 2: the weekend with the Phillies. But the Mets are playing bad.

927
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Speaker 2: I mean I follow a couple of Mets guys on

928
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Speaker 2: Twitter and they are going through it right now.

929
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Speaker 1: Our guys on Mets Up, our colleagues on the network

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00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: were very very upset after the Braves sweeps. But I

931
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Speaker 1: listened to that show briefly. They were not very happy

932
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Speaker 1: about the state of affairs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe maybe the Braves can keep, you know,

934
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Speaker 2: keep it rolling against New York. I know they they

935
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Speaker 2: had a bad weekend in Miami. Even if they had

936
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Speaker 2: a twenty year old rookie going in one game and

937
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: Bryce Elder and another, if they lost the series with

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Speaker 2: like Sale, Schwellenbach and Strider going, yeah, then we'd be

939
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Speaker 2: probably far more animated than we were. But it's not

940
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Speaker 2: an excuse. They should have won two games down in Miami.

941
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Speaker 2: But they have seven very important games here New York.

942
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Speaker 2: You can bet the Mets and their fans are gonna

943
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Speaker 2: want to return the favor after getting swept just a

944
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Speaker 2: couple of days ago. And then the Phillies are a

945
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Speaker 2: really good baseball team too. So another big week ahead

946
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Speaker 2: for the Braves and if they can even if they

947
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Speaker 2: go four and three, they go four and three this

948
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Speaker 2: week that's gonna feel like a big win because the

949
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Speaker 2: schedule lightens up considerably, especially in the next few weeks

950
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Speaker 2: before the All Star break. Just don't have a bad week.

951
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Speaker 2: If the Braves have a really bad week, they might

952
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Speaker 2: be on life support in the wildfire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, when you and I talked

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Speaker 1: a week week and a half ago, we kind of

955
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Speaker 1: said they can't save the season, but they can light

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Speaker 1: it on fire over the stretch. And then they went

957
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Speaker 1: out in sweat the Mets, which was very helpful. But

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Speaker 1: if they were to go if they go one and seven,

959
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: you could probably say the series, season's over, you know

960
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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's one of those like you could

961
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Speaker 1: have the season end this week effectively, like maybe not officially,

962
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Speaker 1: but effectively. If you go six and one, you didn't

963
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Speaker 1: save the season, but you obviously would really, really, really

964
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Speaker 1: really help things. So that's the stakes. Yeah, four and

965
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Speaker 1: three would be not exciting, but would be totally fine

966
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Speaker 1: against this schedule seven games and seven days against the

967
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Speaker 1: Mets and the Phillies. You can't project six and one.

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Speaker 1: It'd be nice to go six and one, but we'll

969
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Speaker 1: see how this goes. Just, yeah, what you can't do

970
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Speaker 1: is go one and six, like you can't, you just

971
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Speaker 1: can't afford it. We'll stop saying that every show. Maybe

972
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Speaker 1: maybe we won't stop say it because it's just this

973
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Speaker 1: reality and it's the stakes. Like for us to be

974
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Speaker 1: able to talk about meaningful baseball in August in September,

975
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Speaker 1: they have to win. I mean, it's just what it is, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: grooking record is simple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty simple. We could do hours and hours and

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Speaker 2: hours of analysis and for those listening, please continue to

979
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Speaker 2: support the show and tune in. But just win. I mean,

980
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: that's that's about it. Sick and simple and straightforward as

981
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Speaker 2: it gets. The Braves have to win.

982
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Speaker 1: And the Brave's been bad on the road. They are

983
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Speaker 1: thirteen and twenty six on the road.

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Speaker 2: Wow, damn.

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Speaker 1: I don't make much of hom road splits as much

986
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Speaker 1: everybod else, but but that's a damning number.

987
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Speaker 2: It just is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you got a chance to fix some of

989
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: that this week in New York. We'll cover it all

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Speaker 1: the way through. So please subscribe to the podcast. Just

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Speaker 1: search Hammer Territory anywhere you find podcast. If you evert

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Speaker 1: fund us before, we appreciate it. Scott, where can they

993
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Speaker 1: find you in your life? Covering the Braves, tweeting about Arizona,

994
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Speaker 1: whatever sport's going on, what's going on in your life?

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Speaker 2: I am at Scott Coleman fifty five on Socials, and

996
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Speaker 2: we'll be back a lot of shows this week. And man,

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Speaker 2: let's hope the Braves, even after a frustrating weekend down

998
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: in Miami, can hold their own in New York. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a raucous crowd. I'm sure City Field

1000
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: is going to be busy and pumped and loud, but hey,

1001
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Speaker 2: even a two and two split, I think you take

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Speaker 2: it all day long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I'd like to get greedy and win

1004
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Speaker 1: some games this week, but we'll see what happened to.

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Speaker 1: You know I say this sometimes, but I want to

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Speaker 1: be clear on sometimes. I know people in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure in Scott's life that are Braves fans

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Speaker 1: help as well, and we'll see everybody later on this week.