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Speaker 2: I'm up for it. I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you want to talk about first? You

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Speaker 2: Ah, let's warm up with the boat?

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Speaker 3: The boat?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: Harris Chain showed uh two boat operators that co conspirated

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Speaker 1: You didn't, but did you hear about this?

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Speaker 3: I mean I saw the videos like where they got

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Speaker 1: Zerni, who is a Toyota Series angler, was sitting waiting

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Speaker 3: Well, he's like, I mean he's one there, like he's

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows governing bodies bass MLF, it doesn't matter. They

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Speaker 2: Every time, every time.

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Speaker 1: You can't get in trouble with the coast Guard, you know, No,

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Speaker 2: No, I've only fished Colin once in my life, and

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Speaker 3: But no, I've never like heard people talking like they

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Speaker 3: Now, there's all there's times where the it's like somebody

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Speaker 2: You literally can't do that.

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Speaker 3: But anyways, but no, did what they the little bit

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Speaker 3: No, do you have a dude, and you have a

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Speaker 3: It It really had my blood bowling when I was

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Speaker 1: I ain't got a buddy of mine. He's a personal

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Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, there should never have ever been

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Speaker 3: And then there was another one in a popka. The

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Speaker 1: That for that's the outcome. The guys that were talking

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how deep the relationship.

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Speaker 3: You know who you can kind of or you can

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Speaker 3: That's no way, correct, dude, I ain't running. There's no

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Speaker 3: I'm just I've just been in the boat too many times,

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Speaker 2: They were about to do it.

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Speaker 3: Like just because I've actually watched another video from down

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Speaker 3: going over there too. But there's never there's never amount

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Speaker 1: Both the boaters have been suspended from all MLF tournaments

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Speaker 1: for at least one year, and that's from the date

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Speaker 2: Are you reading that? Is that exactly what it says

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Speaker 1: Least it says at least one year? See, I just

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Speaker 1: is that a gray area for you?

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Speaker 2: Is it one year?

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Speaker 3: Or like, in my opinion, way, I don't think they

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm happy that you said that because I'm

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Speaker 2: One year's a joke, literally.

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Speaker 1: But that tells me a lot more about what's happening

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Speaker 1: And if they're telling two guys like, hey, you can't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was I was wondering if you

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Speaker 1: At least for a year. We're not going to get

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Speaker 2: Oh the hundreds?

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Speaker 1: Sure, but in that tournament schedule they only have maybe

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Speaker 1: Toyotas per division.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you think that what's seventeen fifty twice? I mean,

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Speaker 3: what were eighteen hundred? That's thirty six hundred dollars. Let's

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Speaker 1: I think what this?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you think that five grand is? So?

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Speaker 3: Is that important to them? You think they're that struggling

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good? Do you?

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Speaker 1: If you ran an organization you knew that you had

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Speaker 1: the possibility is that you could potentially come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: reason is because they've already shown and proved that they

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Speaker 3: I just feel like they had an opportunity to And

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Speaker 3: different question. It's the professional fishing because they consider themselves

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Speaker 3: like a I guess a Triple A league. The Toyota

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Speaker 3: series is they had an opportunity to wear it. Now,

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Speaker 3: now you've got co anglers looking at it, because youre

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Speaker 3: talking about co owners, not I want to fish behind

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Speaker 3: the scopers. Now you have co owners looking at it

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Speaker 3: going well, how do I know if I go get

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Speaker 3: because now and I under now holding out there could

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Speaker 3: be some argument, Oh you never know if that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: But now the organization shows that they don't really take

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Speaker 3: take it seriously if they keep you safe. Well, we

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Speaker 3: suspended them for a year. That's ridiculous. You're suspending a

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Speaker 3: could have killed somebody, killed four. Yeah, it could have

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Speaker 1: Six calling him over doesn't matter. Like if the guy

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Speaker 1: that would have been problematic exactly, you know. Or if

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Speaker 1: came from Michigan to my gosh, to fish for five

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty bucks. That's what it takes for a

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Speaker 1: co angler to be in the Toyota series. And that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just randomly drawn.

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Speaker 1: Randomly drawn. And that's why to me, I'm like, that's

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Speaker 3: I And another thing, I think the lifetime ban because

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Speaker 3: let's say they had to run the no wake for

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Speaker 3: and okay, you had to you know, it was a

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Speaker 3: bad really trying to get you had a bad situation,

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Speaker 3: you were trying to get back wherever whatever, But you

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Speaker 3: literally just fished too long.

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Speaker 2: It's your own fault. And then you talked about it.

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Speaker 3: And thirdly, dude, it was documented like it wasn't hearsay

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Speaker 1: But then again, those guys have no idea when they're

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Speaker 1: I mean you could obviously see that. Almost now everybody

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean when I go fishing now, I

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Speaker 3: just because.

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Speaker 1: Doing that to get content.

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no no, just dude, you

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Speaker 3: don't know what's going on out there, like and there's

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Speaker 3: so much like termial, like you never know if somebody's

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Speaker 3: it's like having a dash can in your car driving. Sure,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that do that now because

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Speaker 1: But so you're not just hoping that one day you

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Speaker 1: Could happen or or you know, some dudes to say that,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put that up on.

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Speaker 2: Some Yeah, I mean, I mean, hey, hey, hey, any

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Speaker 3: But I may get shot one day for fishing to

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Speaker 3: do to doc like at least somebody know who did it.

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Speaker 1: I would I would hope that that wouldn't be the case.

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Speaker 3: It almost happened down there wherever it was at Alabama

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Speaker 3: River or something, Miller's Ferry or something. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: either last year or two years ago. A guy come

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Speaker 3: no, no no no.

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Speaker 2: It was a team tournament deal.

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Speaker 3: I mean he got indicted, but still like I don't

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Speaker 3: It don't matter if he gets indicted or not.

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Speaker 1: Those people don't realize that you don't own the water. No,

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Speaker 1: you can have a dock, you can have a boat,

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Speaker 1: you can have property, but you don't own the water.

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Speaker 3: Now, somebody's like vandalizing your dock. That's one thing you

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Speaker 3: can't tell us. Why not to fish your dog?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question though, for the

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Speaker 1: I grew up in a lake house and never came

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Speaker 1: certainly happens. Sometimes you cast, you miss your mark, your

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Speaker 1: that it's okay to get off the boat, go to

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Speaker 1: most cases that's considered trespassing. Yeah, so you really shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be allowed to do it. But I'm sure as a

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Speaker 2: Correct, I get real.

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Speaker 3: I do everything I can to see if somebody's there,

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Speaker 3: like if they're inside, like try and wave out them

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Speaker 3: you said, I don't want to leave it there, like

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Speaker 3: you skip underneath the dock.

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Speaker 2: I'll just break bounce, Yeah, I'll just break it all.

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Speaker 2: I'll just break.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because my lake house in Virginia on Smith

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Speaker 1: he was like, can you go find it? So I'm

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Speaker 2: There's no telling how much is on you.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't know how many wacky rigs and chatterbas. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I pulled off of underneath that.

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Speaker 2: Dock, crazy ton. Yeah yeah, but i mean.

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Speaker 1: Just and buried at a place where I'm like, damn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: A lot of time you make a good skip and

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Speaker 3: just pap.

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Speaker 1: Like Jack can't really nobody wants to lose that seventeen dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, But no, I am kind of

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Speaker 1: And I think most dock owners would understand and respect

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Speaker 1: can't imagine that anybody would be like, get o, my dog,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've definitely now, I've had some that like when

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Speaker 3: you're like, I just kind of go around, like I'll

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Speaker 1: I'm fortunate I haven't had anybody really see anything to

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, you kind of want to fish

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'll just come back yep, And chances

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Speaker 1: those fish anyway, because I'm going to the dock while

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Speaker 1: they're trying to go out away from the dock. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're the same way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Like you don't fish, Yeah, you can have it, but

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Speaker 1: You stay on that side. I'll stay over here, and

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Speaker 1: then we can switch, rotate, do whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I have had a couple of instances where there's

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Speaker 3: just throw up on her and catch one.

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't like that. Some of them are cool

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Speaker 2: about the oh man.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome, and then some of them are just well

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Speaker 3: you couldn't catch it and it was under your dock.

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Speaker 1: I call on on Logan Martin and this it was

441
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,800
Speaker 1: this kid and he probably was twelve thirteen years old

442
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,800
Speaker 1: something like that, and he was throwing something completely different

443
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: than I was, and I had some of these extra baits.

444
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,240
Speaker 1: It was just a worm, like I was flipping the dock.

445
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything crazy, but he was throwing like a

446
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 1: crappy jig. But he was trying to catch bass, which

447
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,919
Speaker 1: he can catch every once in a while. And I

448
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 1: ended up having an extra pack, so I said, hey,

449
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 1: try these and just throw them up there. And I

450
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 1: feel like that kind of squashed it a little bit.

451
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 2: It a little bit more.

452
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Speaker 1: Pull out a three pounder and he's sitting there just

453
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: catching a little bluegill and he sees that. He's like, man,

454
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know they lived down here, jacket. Let's move

455
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 1: over to another situation where bass was launching an investigation

456
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Speaker 1: against an angler. Brian Knew disqualified from the Saint Croix

457
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 1: bass Master open at Santee Cooper. This has been upheld. Now.

458
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,199
Speaker 1: I don't really know the details in this. All I

459
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: know is the investigation came out that they feel like

460
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 1: he messed up a fish's bedding area on purpose. To

461
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 1: delay somebody else from being able to catch those fish?

462
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Speaker 1: Am I reading that right now?

463
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 2: That's that's the I guess the what I I read.

464
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 3: That's all I've I know about as much as you

465
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Speaker 3: do on it, because I think it kind of blindsided

466
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Speaker 3: a lot of people.

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that knew about it. And uh, but.

468
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Speaker 1: Apparently this happened on TV or on live somewhere online

469
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Speaker 1: where another angler found out about it and protested this.

470
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 2: No, the the story that I've heard. I've heard both sides.

471
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 3: I've read news post after I guess the appeal got

472
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 3: upheld or you know, the appeal didn't, whatever that works.

473
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 3: And then the angler that submitted the protest and the

474
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 3: footage there was supposedly there was three of them site

475
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Speaker 3: fishing in this pond at saying teh an angler, an

476
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Speaker 3: open angler or two open anglers and a new and

477
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Speaker 3: just just a quick runt of what I've heard. And

478
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Speaker 3: the angler that that protested him or eventually ended up protesting,

479
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 3: actually posted a YouTube video yesterday morning explaining step by

480
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Speaker 3: step what happened in the pas of everything going down.

481
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: Okay, it was Andrew.

482
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: Upshaw's who it was, so he's got his video on

483
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 3: YouTube if you want to go check it out. He

484
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 3: kind of because he said he was getting a lot

485
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Speaker 3: of heat and a lot of you know, a lot

486
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: of hate on the comments from from news post, and

487
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 3: then he kind.

488
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Speaker 2: Of played by play or laid it out.

489
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: But basically, those three were in here are in this pond.

490
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 3: The guy in the backs fishing for a pair, there

491
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: was a three and a six pounder news fishing for one.

492
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: Upshaws fishing for one. The guy in the back fishing

493
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 3: for the pair of them catches the three pounder, continues

494
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 3: to fish for the female, can't get her to buy it,

495
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: like this is a long time coming, sure, but a

496
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: short version the guy leaves the open, angler leaves knw

497
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: goes over there to fish for it, fish for it

498
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 3: for a you know, a certain amount of time, doesn't

499
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Speaker 3: catch it. Says that this is what Andrew said. I mean,

500
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't this is just me playing to death out.

501
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: Let me pull up part of his video and just

502
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Speaker 1: kind of see where we're at with his story.

503
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Speaker 4: A few minutes, you know, after that he decided to

504
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 4: slide off. And whether or not, you know, he was

505
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 4: trying to let it rest or whatever, I don't know

506
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: what he was doing. I mean, he just slid off

507
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: of it. I know he didn't catch it. I mean

508
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 4: because I was less than one hundred yards away, so

509
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 4: I could see him very very well. And about that

510
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: time I looked down on my scout model Malla Rants

511
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 4: and I see a big blob on there and it

512
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 4: was on a bed, and I started fishing for it.

513
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: And I you know, I start fishing for this fish

514
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 4: and I'm working it, working at working it and nothing.

515
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 4: And actually by this time, Brian had actually slid to

516
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: the back of the pond where that bed and fish was,

517
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: and he slid up, set his power pole down. I mean,

518
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: like I said, anybody that went through there and practice

519
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: saw that fish. It was a very very easy fish

520
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: to see. It wasn't a hard fish to see. Okay,

521
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 4: So Brian set up on the fish. I figured he

522
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: already knew about it too, But I was for the

523
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: sake of the size of the pond, I wasn't going

524
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Speaker 4: to go past them and go that fish. I didn't

525
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: feel like it was right to pass new I didn't

526
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 4: feel like it was right to pass the other angler.

527
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 4: So I just stayed at the back and my intention

528
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: was to continue to work on through there. Well, Brian

529
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 4: sets up on the fish, and I'm still on this

530
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 4: blob that I see on my scout mode, and I'm

531
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: fishing for it, fishing fort fishing for it nothing. And

532
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: I actually I had new lined up and he was

533
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 4: my cast. So that's how I knew exactly where to

534
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 4: cast because I was flipping right at the front of

535
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: his boat the entire time, even though he was about

536
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: seventy five to one hundred yards away.

537
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Speaker 1: So basically, if I surmise this right, he's watching new

538
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: fish for another fish, so he knew he was there.

539
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't going to try to go around Brian because

540
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: he didn't want to disturb what Brian was doing. That's

541
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: that angler etiquette that you and I have talked about.

542
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: And then when Brian leaves after not catching this fish,

543
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: he washes out the bed with his troller motor, whether

544
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: he knowingly did it or not.

545
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: Bo by what Andrew says in the video a little

546
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: bit after where you just stopped it. He says that

547
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 3: Brian trolls up on to where the bed, you know,

548
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: the area of where the bed Andrew thinks it is,

549
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: and washes his troll mote to the left where it

550
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 3: almost throws him out of the boat, to the right,

551
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: to the left, to the right, and then back washes

552
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: it and goes to leave. And you can't do that,

553
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: I mean from what morally, I wouldn't do it. No,

554
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: I did not realize. And maybe this is my fault

555
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: for not reading the rules. I didn't know there was

556
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: a rule that you couldn't do that, but I didn't

557
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: me personally, I would never think to do that, so

558
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't worry about it being a you know what

559
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying right like, And Brian is his own parton

560
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 3: Like I talked to Brian, and he is very competitive,

561
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: like his mind works that way. I guess mine, I

562
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: just if I couldn't catch it, that'd be that.

563
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with somebody getting on their

564
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: trolling motor to get out in the area. I think

565
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: where a lot of people would have a problem is

566
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: if you are knowingly disturbing the habitat in which a

567
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: fish is actively spawning. That's where I would have a

568
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: problem with it. Because listen, as much as we love

569
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: to tournament fish, as much as you and I love

570
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: to hunt, we are the true keepers of the wildlife.

571
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: So to me, that's no different than going out into

572
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: a deer's habitat and messing with the deer habitat knowingly

573
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: that you're trying to screw something up. Where if you're

574
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: walking into a deer habitat or let's say a duck

575
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: blind you're walking through rows of corn, and you start

576
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: breaking over rows of corn, you're now destroying the habitat.

577
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: That limits what those ducks are able to do.

578
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, agree, It just I don't know why, like, like

579
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: why I don't know.

580
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

581
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: Here's the thing that I that I don't like about

582
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: MLF and about bass. And maybe the NPFL can take

583
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: note to this. If you're going to put out a

584
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: press release as to why you've decided to uphold a

585
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: suspension or launch an investigation or kick somebody off a

586
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: tournament trail, you have to give the full story in

587
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: your press release. Yes, every single one of these press releases,

588
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: it just says violation of rule seven. Well what's that rule? Say?

589
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: What are the actual terms in which it said? Or

590
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: why did somebody protest somebody else? Why did somebody protest

591
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: somebody about powerpole breaks? Why would somebody like give me

592
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: the full launching story. So as a reader, I feel

593
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: like I'm really involved, and I understand that this is

594
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: the unbiased view, because otherwise it kind of reads like

595
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: the MLF story reads where James Watson has been suspended,

596
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: no plans to fill that spot, and it doesn't really

597
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: say why. Everybody who's involved in tournament fishing will sit

598
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: there and go, well, I know exactly why. I know

599
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: that there's been disparaging remarks based on the contract that

600
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: mL F angler sign but what was it specifically, why

601
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: did this come to light? Share with me the actual

602
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: story that led to a decision. Don't just say we've

603
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: led to this decision and that's what it is.

604
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: I just wonder why all the organizations like if you,

606
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: if you, if you put out a press release, you're

607
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: obviously wanting the public to know about it. Correct, Like

608
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: that's what a press release is for. Or no, it's

609
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: because you're in You're in this.

610
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a press release is to let the press

611
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: world know that you've made a change. But I feel

612
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: like in a lot of situations, a press release is

613
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: more of we acknowledge that it happened, but here's what

614
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: we're doing and move on. It's kind of like when

615
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: you work a job and you get fired from that job.

616
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: A press release in the professional fishing world right now

617
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: feels like this, and I'm going to use you as

618
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: an example. Wes Logan, who did sales for us, has

619
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: exited the company. We wish him well in his future endeavor.

620
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't say that, you know,

621
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Wes Logan exited the company because he was stealing toilet paper,

622
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, like it doesn't tell the listener or the

623
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: reader what actually took place. And then the bad part

624
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: is with social media, you'll get all these other blog

625
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: posts that pop up and all they're doing is copying

626
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: and pasting the press release and they're trying to write

627
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: something on to get clicks, so you get credit for

628
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: people going to that blog. So, like the James Watson thing,

629
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: obviously all of us who were in fishing understand that

630
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: he and Boyd Duckett have had problems with each other.

631
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Whether it's the way that Boyd in the management team

632
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: runs MLF. I think it's a little interesting that Boyd

633
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: is an owner of MLF but gets to fish like

634
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: he had to me as a conflict of interest. You know,

635
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: you almost have to decide to do one or the other.

636
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: You can't do both. That's kind of like Roddell playing

637
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: football and then stopping in the middle of a game

638
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: being like, Nope, I don't like.

639
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: That we do this anymore.

640
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: We can't do it. And that's how it reads. And

641
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people say like, well, it's

642
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: freedom of speech. He should be allowed to say whatever

643
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: he wants.

644
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he signed a contract exactly.

645
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: And in your job, if you go to work and

646
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: you decide to speak up against your boss, the person

647
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: who signed your check, and you say I don't like

648
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: that you do this, they'll fire you, yes, like they'll

649
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: walk away from you. And there are certain states that

650
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: are right to work and there are certain states that

651
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: aren't right to work. And you have to know the

652
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: state that you're in. So does James Watson know what

653
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: he was up against? Sure, James is also looking at

654
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: his career and he's like, man, I've been doing this

655
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: for a long time. I don't need this dog and

656
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: pony show. Yeah, right, Like I don't need to be

657
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: in this situation. And man, I'd love to get him

658
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: on here to actually talk about it and clear the air.

659
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: I know he's going on Luke Duncan's podcast, and I'm

660
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: going to listen to that for sure. But I'm pretty

661
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: sure the FBD hats that came out, I'm sure that

662
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: didn't do well. Fish Boat Docs Daily, man, I get it. Yeah,

663
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: I love flipping the doc. I mean it's perfect, yes,

664
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: but at some points, you know, you signed a contract.

665
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: You kind of have to live in that world.

666
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: Now.

667
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: If you want to go out and you want to

668
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: burn the bridges down while you go, dude, that's your parrogas.

669
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: That's what he's doing. I mean, and I mean you can't.

670
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: You can't blame him for for being upset for what

671
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: people I agree, I agree, but the the people that

672
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: the Yeah, it's freedom of speech. But again, like you said,

673
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: and I like James, I've never been around him a lot,

674
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: but he's a really good guy.

675
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: He's always been nice to me. But you did sign

676
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: a contract.

677
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: So and I even I think I saw him post

678
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: something that he's not even really upset that he's not

679
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: fishing anymore, like it was never he said, it's done

680
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: pretty much, it's got I don't know if he said this,

681
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: but it looks to me like it's gotten to a

682
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: point where it's gotten personal for him. Obviously he don't

683
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: care about fishing tournaments with fl or MLF anymore. He's

684
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: obviously got a very well off other forms of income.

685
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't need it.

686
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: No, he doesn't need it. If he loves to fish

687
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: and has great sponsors. But he's doing it just as

688
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: much now for his sponsors then then, I mean, the

689
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: apparel is probably bringing him more money right now than

690
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: the whole organization that just cut him.

691
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: No problem with that.

692
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't take a whole lot.

693
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: But I don't think it was the problem with the

694
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: FBD hats that he originally had. But when he started

695
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: to incorporate the duck at Rod's logo, that's where it

696
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh dude, now, like, you're not just shaking

697
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the cage, you're grabbing that thing, and you're driving down

698
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: a bumpy back road with a bunch of speed bumps

699
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: like the ear. You're making it well known, and look,

700
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: all that publicity helps him sell apparel. It's not a problem,

701
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: right if he wants to go fish the NPFL, if

702
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: he wants to go fish that tournament series or that

703
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: tournament that's gonna bear, which is the no live scope tournament,

704
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: no practice either. I'm gonna be very interested to see

705
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: how that plays out. I've known some of the organizers

706
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: of it. I know a lot of other guys on

707
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: that lake that are talking about it. It'll be interesting.

708
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I think this will breed a tournament trail that will

709
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: still not be the Bass Master Elites, and it still

710
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: won't be the BPT at MLF because until you have

711
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: to qualify to be there, I don't feel that it

712
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: is truly a professional league.

713
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: You know.

714
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you go through high school

715
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: and you go through college and you're playing baseball, basketball, football,

716
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You have to kind of cut your

717
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: teeth there, and then when you get an offer, hey,

718
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: come you can come be professional. It's no different.

719
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 3: You know.

720
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Now, if you wanted to go play, let's say that

721
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: you were a professional baseball player, you get cut from

722
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: the Phillies. You get cut from the Phillies, they send

723
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: you pack, and if you decide that you want to

724
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: go back and play adult baseball, you can. Yes, That's

725
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: kind of what these other tournaments are starting to feel

726
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: like to me. It's guys that are like, I want

727
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: to stay in it. Yeah, I want to push because

728
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: they love fishing. Yeah, I want to do high stakes.

729
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a pot tournament for twenty bucks.

730
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I want to play in a place where I could

731
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: possibly win some big That's right.

732
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: They they love the competition, you know, they want to

733
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: fish competitively.

734
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: But the the the rumor that.

735
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: Not that I wouldn't call it rumors, just the chatter

736
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: that you hear from the guys that are older than me,

737
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: like much older that's been around a long time. They're

738
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: they're tired of the drama, they're tired of the bs,

739
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: as they say, and then they just want to go

740
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: fish for a year or two and just.

741
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Looking different, right, Like it's it's a different layout than

742
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: how it was when you got in oh Man, and.

743
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: That wasn't but five years ago or probably seven years ago.

744
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: But like it's not even it ain't even close to

745
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: the same.

746
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: So imagine, you know, these guys coming up watching some

747
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: of their favorites in the late eighties the nineties, and

748
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: fishing really hadn't changed that much. You know, some of

749
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: the things have changed, Both layouts have changed, the technology

750
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: has changed. Uh, but I think live Scope, especially this year,

751
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that was obviously the wake up call for a lot

752
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: of people that it's just not going away. I had

753
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: a conversation with a guy the other day, you know how.

754
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: We were talking about how you know there's a good

755
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: chance that they're going to limit the number of transducers.

756
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are thinking about

757
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: what Laurance, humming Bird and Garman have probably already thought

758
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: about and are probably already working on right now. The

759
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: Garment live scope. You've got what a thirty five percent cone.

760
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all they're all a little different.

761
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: Like it's it's really not that big.

762
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all they're all a degree oriented. Yeah, one

763
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: of them five degrees. Okay, so thirty five degree. You

764
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: got to be really good with your cast to hit

765
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: thirty five degree. What's going to stop them from doing

766
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty degree to go on the front

767
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: of the boat, Dude, it's technology. There's nothing that can

768
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: stop them.

769
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: As long as it bass says to them like, hey,

770
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: you're only you're only allowed one transducer, they'll just find

771
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: out a way where they can have wider cone for

772
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: a transducer. It goes on your trolling motor.

773
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

774
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: The only thing that I've noticed because one of the

775
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: company's beam is a lot wider than the other, right,

776
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: and they did that to be able to see more

777
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 3: at one certain time. The problem is the narrower the cone.

778
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: When you see your bait and your and the fish,

779
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: you're on the fish. Okay, So what I noticed with

780
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: the bigger cone, and obviously they can do it. I'm

781
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: just giving you an example of what I've seen. The

782
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: bigger cone. You could think your bait is near that fish,

783
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: and you could be ten foot off of right.

784
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: But here's this is all what you're saying. I'm not

785
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: even I'm not even bringing up for just the live

786
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: skill thing. What I'm saying is, yeah, yeah, if we

787
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: were having this exact conversation in nineteen seventy eight and

788
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: we were talking about the idea that there was going

789
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: to be a thing called side skin where you could

790
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: drive down a bank and you could look over and

791
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: you would see those guys would be like, you're crazy,

792
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: that will never happen. Yeah. My point is the technology

793
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: is here. They're only going to expand on that technology.

794
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: And if they say we're going to limit the number

795
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: of transducers, that's where you play for that year or

796
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: two years until the technology catches up. When the technology

797
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: catches up, everybody will get rid of those transducers and

798
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: they'll get the bigger ones. It's just a part of it.

799
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: So I think that, yes, well.

800
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: It's already happening now with the salt water transducers from garment. Right,

801
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: nobody's hardly ever running the real big scoping guys like

802
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: that are you know, very good at it. They have

803
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: the life the salt water one. There's a reason, right,

804
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: But that saltwater one can see further.

805
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: We'll also get better, yep, And it will be you

806
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: know a matter of years when that cone goes from

807
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: thirty five degree to maybe seventy and then ninety, and

808
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're at one hundred and eight,

809
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden that mega imaging that

810
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I love with Hummingbird, with Mega three sixty, that three sixty.

811
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: At some point you'll start to see the fish just

812
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: swimming around all around the boat, and it'll be up

813
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: to you on what you want to do, and it'll

814
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: be a completely different ballgame at that point. So technology

815
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: will be there, it's just whether or not MLF BASS

816
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: and any other turning organization wants to limit what you

817
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: can do with it when you have it. That's it.

818
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: I did hear one thing I just get I want

819
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: to I want your opinion. I want your opinion on it,

820
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: because it really threw me off, and I'm like, how

821
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: do I don't understand the thinking of this. Somebody told

822
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: me that. They said, well, I wasn't even talking about

823
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: They were like, well, they can't get rid of it,

824
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, just I want to know why,

825
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: because I like hearing people's thoughts, like I like knowing

826
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: how they lifcope. I said, why can they not get

827
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: rid of it? He's hold on, hold on, just listen

828
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: to what he said. He said, because the younger generation

829
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: that has made it to professional fishing right now that

830
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: rely on it. That's how they got here. And if

831
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: you took it away from them, how is that fair?

832
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: Because that's all they know.

833
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: Right.

834
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I'll give you a doser reality. This doesn't impact you

835
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: as much as it impacts other guys.

836
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Yeah.

837
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: When you and I were in high school and you're

838
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: younger than I am, I forget that every once in while.

839
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: I feel like, sometimes you and I are the same age.

840
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: You're younger than that. Okay, When I was in high school,

841
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: I had a TI eighty three calculator, had sign co

842
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Sign Tangent or whatever. Never used it. Right, once I

843
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: got done with school and never used it. That calculator

844
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: has been replaced by a much bigger and better calculator

845
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: and mostly computers. Okay, So if I tried to go

846
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: back and brought a TI eighty three calculator to you

847
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: and put it in your hands and said here, use this,

848
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: you'd be like, what is this?

849
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: Right?

850
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: But imagine if it was somebody who's way younger than

851
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: you and I brought them a TI eighty three and

852
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: said here, figure this out. They could probably do it,

853
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: but there's so much technology that they've come up with

854
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: that they understand that for them, they're like, well, I

855
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: could just do it this way, and I could do

856
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: it this way because this is what I've learned. So

857
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: the point about not getting rid of it is people

858
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: die off and the technology that is coming behind them.

859
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: They can learn it while they're in it, but then

860
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: once they're not in anymore, they don't have to worry

861
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: about it. So yeah, I don't think that you can

862
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: get rid of the technology once it comes out, but

863
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: you can limit the technology that you have.

864
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: No, And just to clear it up, I wasn't saying

865
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: I want it banned it. It was he brought it

866
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: up in conversation. I wasting rid of it, Yeah, and

867
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: he was like, well, you can't take it away from them,

868
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: but if you look at the older no, I don't

869
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: even want to say the older generation, the guys that

870
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: haven't relied on it as much. Well, I don't understand

871
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: how that's fair to that, but either way, it was

872
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: just when he said that, I was like.

873
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: That, that don't I don't know, Okay, I haven't thought

874
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: about it like that.

875
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: Here's here's another opinion that I have about the live

876
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: scope thing, is the tournament that's happening on Lake Lanier

877
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: where you can't use your live scape. When you and

878
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: I first sat down on this podcast, and I think

879
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: Joseph was in with us, we were talking about live

880
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: scope at the infancy of people talking about which is

881
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: so funny because you and I and Joseph and all

882
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: these other guys we've been hearing it for the last

883
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: couple of years.

884
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: What nothing new?

885
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: It felt like Jesus, this conversation keeps coming up. But

886
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: to the mainstream people that was the big deal. You

887
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: know how many people come up to me now and go, hey,

888
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: they have transducers coming off the jack blade. I'm like,

889
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: they've had This isn't anything new. But anyway, I'll get

890
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: back to the original point. My point about the whole

891
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: live scope thing is I said on that first podcast

892
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: that we sat down, if you want to find out

893
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: who the best fisherman is in the country, then you

894
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: have to have an open invitation to anybody comes out,

895
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and you do it over the course of an entire week.

896
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: You do seven days of fishing, and you got to

897
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: go to different lakes, so you can pick a geographical

898
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: area if you want, but you're not allowed anything other

899
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: than a mapp And that's it. The hard part about

900
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: fishing is almost every fisherman has good knowledge of every

901
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: lake that they go to. If it's a lake that

902
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: they think they're going to have to go to, they'll

903
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: spend some time. Yes, and your knowledge base right now

904
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: is a good knowledge base. But imagine putting that knowledge

905
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: base up against somebody who's been doing it now in

906
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: their sixties and they start at the same time you did.

907
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you can't.

908
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: They have incredible knowledge, right, So the technology side gives

909
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: everybody the same opportunity, but it's still those little intangibles

910
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: that will change the game. And if somebody was looking

911
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: at it and they go, hey, man, i've been fishing,

912
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, shallow water for forty I have live scope.

913
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: I've used it a little bit. All it does is

914
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: change the table a little bit. If you decide to

915
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: go out and you decide to use it and dedicate

916
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: yourself to it, you're learning something else. But you still

917
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: have all these other tools in your toolbox. Yes, that

918
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe the guy that grew up on live scope doesn't

919
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: know he doesn't know how to read the water, he

920
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to line himself up, But that technology

921
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: that they have that might be all they know. If

922
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you have to get to an elite level, though, you

923
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: got to be good enough at all of it, good

924
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: enough at all of it. You don't have to be great.

925
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: You got to be good enough at all of it. Yeah.

926
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: I did have a conversation with one of the guys

927
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: h and I'm not gonna say who that qualified this

928
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: that's with us this year, and they said, he said, look,

929
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: I know your opinion on it, and I'm like, dude,

930
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: it ain't nothing personally against like it's just and it

931
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: was back when the whole Forte deal went down.

932
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: But he was like, think about this.

933
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: You've got two hundred and twenty of probably some of

934
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: the best anglers in the world trying to compete for

935
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: ten places on the opens. Do you really think you're

936
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: gonna be able to go down the bank in ten

937
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: of those tournaments or now I hired them in nine

938
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: of them and make the top ten with two hundred

939
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: and twenty people beating the banks. And I was like, no,

940
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: He's like, that's why you got to commit to life

941
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: scope to get there. I was like, dude, that's a

942
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: great point. I said, I'm with you. It's like, I'm

943
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: not arguing.

944
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: That you and I have had this conversation about.

945
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: How ye, it's a game.

946
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: You are in a game with one hundred and three other.

947
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: Guys and the lakes where we're playing, right. It's just

948
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: the only difference to anything else is it's public.

949
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: Everybody. Every other organization is not public.

950
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: If the boundary line is bank to bank and everything in.

951
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: Between, its fair game.

952
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Boy. You just expose everything in between. And there are

953
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: plenty of guys that are like, I don't like that

954
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: that guy won that way. Sure, I don't either. I

955
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't like it when I played college baseball that we

956
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: went up against a team that hit home runs and

957
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: we just need to get somebody on base. And played

958
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: small ball. Sometimes you have to change your strategy in

959
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: order to do it. That's why. For you, what makes

960
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: you a good angler, what makes you a great bass master,

961
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: elite angler, is you got to be well rounded in

962
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: all of.

963
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: It you do.

964
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: You do, but it just there's some instances where.

965
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: It chaps your ass. I'm sure, because yeah, you want

966
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: to you want to be it. Listen, you're really good

967
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: at a swim jig. Stop it.

968
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: I mean I'll call some I have called bass on it,

969
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: but I mean, do you drop it. It doesn't matter

970
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: that I'm good at it anymore. But my point is

971
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: you're good at a swim jig. So if you could

972
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: go out and win on a technique, your favorite technique.

973
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Would you choose a swim jig? Would you choose a

974
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: crank bait? Would you choose top water?

975
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: It would be swimming a gig.

976
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so swimming a jig. Right, if you get into

977
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: a tournament where you know they're crushing a swimjig, and

978
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: it's the right ones that are crushing a swimjig. You're

979
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: sitting there licking your chops. Boy, you have no idea

980
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: what's coming to you. Livescoper does the same exact thing.

981
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: If he knows that he can get them to bite

982
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: and thirty foot of water, he's going to go out

983
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: throw that little min no, throw a six inch drift

984
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: fry or whatever he wants to do. And listen, I know,

985
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: but it's still a tech and that's his deal that

986
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: he that he wants to do. But if you could

987
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: beat his brakes off, you're gonna want to beat his

988
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: brakes off.

989
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm with you, it's not worth it. Like

990
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not arguing with you.

991
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: It's just a whole different deal that if he didn't

992
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: have that technology, he wouldn't even be catching that fish

993
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: that he's fixing to beat my brains out with.

994
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: To where everything you've ever learned fishing. But he could,

995
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: you could learn to swim a g.

996
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: He could still go out deep if he knows that

997
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: there's a hump over in this area and he was

998
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: able to train.

999
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: On a hump, yes, on a piece of structure but

1000
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm talking about if he's been fisher out there and

1001
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: walk over sixty.

1002
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: Swimming in five foot, I get it. We'll never get caught.

1003
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: So I've also made this concession a few times. If

1004
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: you really want to isolate it and you want to

1005
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: take tournament fishing into a place where you feel like

1006
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: is competitive, you give people a map and you go

1007
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: have at it, go for it. Well, that's not fair

1008
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: because I got to be able to scout, and I

1009
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: got to be able to try to find some things

1010
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: when I can. Okay, fine, Then you get down imaging

1011
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: and all you're allowed to see is what's happening directly

1012
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: under the boat and maybe a little bit on the outside.

1013
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: So the question is where do you limit the decision.

1014
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: As far as the technology.

1015
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never understood the argument of comparing side scan

1016
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: to I'm.

1017
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: Not comparing the two, just like you saying which one

1018
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: Where At what point would you say technology is ample

1019
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: enough to go out and catch a fish?

1020
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: Was it sonar?

1021
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Was it down image?

1022
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: I think side imaging in three sixties, like with the

1023
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: that's pushing it.

1024
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: Is that where it started to change.

1025
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: Because the three sixties where it started to change.

1026
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: I feel like so the three sixty being able to

1027
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: go all the way around the boat and you just

1028
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: recognize that there's a brush pile over here, there's a

1029
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: pile of rocks over here, and you can.

1030
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: See you can see fish on three six. It's obviously

1031
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: not live and you've got to know what you're looking at,

1032
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: but you can see them. That's where the technology. And

1033
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: I have a three sixty, like it's great for fishing

1034
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: structure and stuff, but I don't know the just the

1035
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: being able to live time, know when your bait's right

1036
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: on his nose or just I don't know that's I've

1037
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: ruffled so many feathers do. I'm just like, I just

1038
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: need to shut up. But it's not Listen, you have

1039
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: an opinion and I have it, and I have been

1040
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: using it since I talked to you at four, Like

1041
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to get better at it. But the only

1042
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: reason I'm doing it is because they're forcing me to.

1043
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: Dude, I went out to Neely Henry the other day.

1044
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: I sent you a message sixty four degree water.

1045
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: I started to tell you, I started to send you

1046
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: a picture of my trophy and say, yeah, they do.

1047
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: I want to see if they eat a frog and

1048
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: boy did they eat a frog? Yes, sir okay. So

1049
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: part of me was like, I can go out and

1050
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: scope if I want on the river at not on

1051
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: Neely you want, but that's the thing. That's not the

1052
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: type of lake where you want to do that. You

1053
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: want to get up close and personal. They don't live

1054
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: out there, So there you go. So this is my point,

1055
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: like Bass MLF any of these other tournaments, if they

1056
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: want to limit it, one of the things they can

1057
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: do is right, we got three tournaments where you can

1058
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: use a live scope because these are live scope and

1059
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: type of lakes, Smith Lake, Lanier Fork, whatever you want

1060
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: to say, that's right. But then you have to take it.

1061
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: You know, you got to take the screen off your

1062
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: boat and blah blah blah. They can do all that. Again,

1063
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: it's not getting rid of technology. It's just limiting where

1064
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: you're allowed to use it and process application.

1065
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: That's it.

1066
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: The one thing that I've heard going around around and

1067
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 3: around is having a schedule that's half and half half

1068
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: with it, half without it.

1069
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: You're still going to find somebody that's going to bitch.

1070
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: Though they will, they will, but.

1071
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: I feel like you at West Logan won't.

1072
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't even my idea, and I thought about it,

1073
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, but then you're getting complicated, like

1074
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: you got to put this on take it off, like,

1075
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: but I think the one of the main things is

1076
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: how it's not.

1077
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: That complicated for you guys, because watching you guys on live,

1078
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: if you're eliminating a screen and that's the screen that

1079
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: you use and that's not there, it's gone, Like you

1080
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: can't see it. I don't care if you're transducers hooked

1081
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: to the front of your troller motor or not.

1082
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, just if you.

1083
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: Can't actually see what you're doing, like, okay, so it's fine,

1084
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: Like it's all rules. The organizations are going to have

1085
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: to become a little more like true professional sports and

1086
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: they have more rules. Look at the NFL. The NFL

1087
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: has made so many changes to the game this year.

1088
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: You can't tackle this way, we're changing the kickoff. There's

1089
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are pure like me, that

1090
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: are like, this is crazy. I can't believe we're doing this.

1091
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: But they're doing it because they're worried about the safety

1092
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: of players and based on the metrics that they've seen,

1093
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: and the owners are sitting there going I just paid

1094
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: this guy forty million dollars this year. You think I

1095
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: want to see him go down because one guy made

1096
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: a tackle in the backfield and he just kind of

1097
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: grabbed him around the twisted right like they're trying to

1098
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: eliminate watching their investments get hurt and get sidelined. So

1099
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: you're in it. You're in this professional sport of fishing.

1100
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: Whatever rules that they lay out to you, you gotta

1101
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: look at it and go bye. This is the mission

1102
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: at hand. I gotta go, and I gotta to go

1103
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: do this. I agree, you're the man West slogan as always.

1104
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: No, definitely not