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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code ename Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's top of the week,

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Speaker 1: so it's time for our strange news segment. I've got

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, gentlemen. It is getting increasingly

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Speaker 1: difficult to choose a single piece of news per week

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Speaker 1: because so many terrible things happened. Now I didn't I

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Speaker 1: didn't think it would be fair to you guys for

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Speaker 1: me to all so just like throw headlines at you

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Speaker 1: without telling you an advance. So I'm gonna stick with

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Speaker 1: one isolated for today. Uh. But in the future, I

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Speaker 1: do want to create a laundry list headline segment where

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Speaker 1: we just toss headlines at each other. Uh maybe toward

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Speaker 1: uh and transparency, I've just got the I'm just doing

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Speaker 1: the one today. Uh, and it's a doozy all right.

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Speaker 1: So have you ever heard of a guy named Garrison Courtney. Never? No,

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Speaker 1: not not Garrison Keeler. No, not Garrison Keiler, who has

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Speaker 1: also been in hot water recently for various things. Garrison

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Speaker 1: Keeler actually uh said that it was time to give

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Speaker 1: Facebook post, and then he went back and said that

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Speaker 1: his Facebook had been hacked, which is a classic chef

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Speaker 1: on the internet. Boomer, Yeah, like people are people are

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Speaker 1: wise to that one. Yeah. Yeah, So Garrison Keeler and

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Speaker 1: Perry Home companion aside, Uh, Garrison Courtney is a different person.

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Speaker 1: Garrison Keiler has absolutely nothing to do with today's story.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. So, Garrison Courtney was once upon a

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Speaker 1: time a high level spokesperson for the d e A,

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Speaker 1: the Drug Enforcement Administration, and he pleaded guilty this summer

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Speaker 1: to one count of wire fraud in a con that

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Speaker 1: of current and former government officials, so much so that

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Speaker 1: when he was caught, people were baffled. He had personally

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Speaker 1: and by the time the FBI was catching up to him,

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Speaker 1: Courtney was in line for something around four billion dollars

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Speaker 1: worth of Army, Navy, and Air Force contracts. Because you see,

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Speaker 1: he had convinced people that he was a spy for

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Speaker 1: the c I. A. Uh, that's a that's a hard

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Speaker 1: You know, get that third act. People talk about an

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Speaker 1: inspirational podcast and Tony Robbins speeches. Uh. He also said

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Speaker 1: of insider info. If you, as a company would put

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Speaker 1: US government, then Courtney would help them get those very

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Speaker 1: And we know that we know that there are CIA

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Speaker 1: At least a dozen of these firms, and to your point, Matt,

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Speaker 1: several of them were already successful defense contractors. At least

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Speaker 1: I know him from the Freemasons. We've been active together

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Speaker 1: And so, uh, this guy who starts to unravel this

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Speaker 1: That's why I hasn't gotten back to you. But he

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Speaker 1: who the hell are you. I've never heard of your company,

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Speaker 1: I have never heard of that Gmail account, and I

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Speaker 1: would certainly not promise to loan you a freaking stranger

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars. But I do know this Garrison Court

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Speaker 1: Mason's last year. How do you get kicked out of

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Speaker 1: or you just probably under scrupulous behavior. There's something to

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Speaker 1: original one is offline right now, by the way. But

427
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: the other m C had a line where he said

428
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: it was a boast, right, so something that we see

429
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: a lot where there's a couple of lines that are

430
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Speaker 1: boasting about you know, how much, how how awesome I

431
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: am basically, but that's what I mean. It's a very

432
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: common thing. A I'm great, be you suck? See here's why. Yeah,

433
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: and so the one of the lines here was you

434
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: gotta sell cocaine, I just file a claim, which which again,

435
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: so I guess my question to you is overall, in

436
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Speaker 1: the scheme of things, when you're talking, you know, when

437
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about greater good, um, largest negative impact, which

438
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: one is worse someone someone who is trying to get

439
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: by as an m C and selling cocaine to you know,

440
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: to supplement their income, or someone who is committing fraud

441
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: against the government. I think it's tricky because first first

442
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: respond one, how much cocaine? Uh and how are they

443
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: selling it? Let's say equival let's say equivalent dollars? Okay,

444
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: and then uh so, so a little over seven sixty thousands.

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00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: So then, uh, the next question would be, like, what

446
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of fraud this kind of fraud identity theft fraud,

447
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: which is I would say, um, starkly unethical without sounding pretentious,

448
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say that I would posit that

449
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: the greatest and most profound violation of ethics comes from

450
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: the people with the power to change systems that put

451
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: folks in a situation where they have to sell drugs

452
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: to survive, or put folks in a situation where filing

453
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: a fraudulent claim seems like a necessary thing to do.

454
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I like, you can't, um, people will do what they

455
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Speaker 1: have to to survive. I know there are other ways,

456
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Speaker 1: but I think we can't absolve the creators of the

457
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Speaker 1: system of their responsibility. I couldn't agree with you more

458
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: than in certain situations. But let's not forget this guy

459
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: was living large in the Hollywood Hills, you know, off

460
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: of fraudulent money that he stole from people who really

461
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: needed I mean, I would I would say he was

462
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: doing a little more than surviving. You know. Yeah, that's

463
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: a fair point. That's a fair point. Maybe that tips

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Speaker 1: the scales because we have to remember that already in

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Speaker 1: some segments of the US population. Was tremendously controversial for

466
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Speaker 1: people to get any kind of help at all right

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Speaker 1: from the federal government, because there's still that very racist

468
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: myth of the welfare queen that does not hold up

469
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: to statistics. It doesn't hold up to research, uh, demographically

470
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Speaker 1: or any any metric. So then we have to consider

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00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: that the effects of this of this crime are not

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Speaker 1: just the ninety one other people who have their identity

473
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: stolen for the Cares Act, but it's also going to

474
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: inevitably have a have an effect on people in need

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: of assistance in future similar situations. Yeah, now someone can

476
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: say if they're against, if they're one of the um

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Speaker 1: Americans against the idea of helping fellow citizens, which I

478
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: can't believe is a huge thing in politics, but it

479
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: still very much is. Uh. Then this is the kind

480
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: of like exhibit A that those folks will point to,

481
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: why should we bother helping people not starve, Why should

482
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: we bother helping people not sleep with their children in

483
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: dirty alleys? Because look, this one guy did this. No,

484
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: it's a really good point, ben And of course because

485
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: of the absurdity of it too, it's gonna get a

486
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: lot of press, probably more pressed than all of those

487
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: other fraudulent claims that are that are listed in this

488
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Speaker 1: La Times article. I just want to cap this one

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Speaker 1: off with an interesting discovery that I just made. The

490
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: video in question here has been taken down, but not

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Speaker 1: by the artist himself. I have something gonna call him

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00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: an artist that's that's a bit of a stretch. Not

493
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: by this gentleman himself. I think that's being a little

494
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: too kind as well. But because of a copyright claim

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00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: made by uh someone by the name of Ray Shawn Williams,

496
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: who is a member of a songwriting collective known as

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Speaker 1: Section eight, and they have a song called We Paid

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00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Um by Little Baby and forty two Doug that is,

499
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: according to according to Wikipedia, a braggadocious song about the

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: rappers wealth and come ups, regarded as a standout cut

501
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: from My Turn. The song received rave reviews from critics

502
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: with this seems like they wrote it themselves the wikimedia

503
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: entry by the way, But yeah, so he didn't it

504
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: was the song was a rip off too. So he

505
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: has a song called Takashi by the way, which I'm

506
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: going to check out after we record this is another rapper. Yeah,

507
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: Takashi six nine right now, probably the most famous uh

508
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: non political snitch in in the U s Zeitgeist. Didn't

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Speaker 1: he die? Didn't he like O D or something or

510
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: get bumped off? No? No, no. He claimed that he

511
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: claimed that he was hard uh and that it was

512
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: in the gangster lifestyle. But it turned out he was

513
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: both a child abuser uh. And he also he also

514
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: was an absolutely like a snitch to the level of

515
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: god tier memory. Uh. He has he squealed on all

516
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: of his former associates, uh very quickly when he ran

517
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: into legal issues. I would just say, google Takashi snitch.

518
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was Triple X Tan Tasson, who

519
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: was an associate of Takashi sixty nine that was killed.

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00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: He was with the nine tray Bloods. Yeah. Interesting. He

521
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: was kind I don't know, it's kind of he was

522
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: with them the way Frank Snatcher was with the mob.

523
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't do you say all three xes and x

524
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: x X ten Tession, how do you how do you

525
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: say that? I think you just say the X to

526
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: like the degree the spirit moves you. Okay, what I mean?

527
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: Maybe ten Tason. That guy is horrible too though, right, Yeah,

528
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: and he and he and he was he was killed,

529
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: I believe, so, No, we know. Uh, this guy has

530
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: been arrested, he's facing charges obviously, but he hasn't been sentenced,

531
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: right Like, this hasn't gone to trial. No, he's e's

532
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: due to appear in downtown l a federal court. Uh

533
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: this Friday. That's to are the twenty second as we're

534
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: recording this, so be interesting to follow up. How how how

535
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: did you that dude is gonna get treated in prison?

536
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Is it's not a very cool con Yeah? I don't know, man,

537
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: it's weird because he didn't physically harm anybody. He caused

538
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: he caused harm to people, right like in the legal sense,

539
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: but he didn't harm anybody. So well, I don't know.

540
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: You you could argue that that lacking that fun that

541
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean. Okay, well here's the question for you guys.

542
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: Yes he did he defrauded the government. Did he defraud

543
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: these people or were they people that weren't going to

544
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: get it anyway and didn't really even notice? Like was

545
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: he basically taking money out of their pockets or was

546
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: he just using these identities as a means to get

547
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the money for himself? Like did people lose out on

548
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: benefits because of this, I would think, yes, but it's

549
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: not quite clear from the details that we know. What

550
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: what do you guys think? Well, demographically, it really it

551
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: depends on their socioeconomic situation before this began. That's a

552
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: good that's a good question, you know what I mean,

553
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: because imagine it's quite possible that one of those n

554
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: plus people file tried to file a claim, and we're

555
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: told they already had filed a claim, and now the

556
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: burden is on them to get this sorted out. Their time,

557
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: their their money, their expense. But prison has prison has

558
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: a definite hierarchy, and identity fraud doesn't necessarily make you

559
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: UM as much of a target in lock up as

560
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: some other crimes would, so I don't Also, a lot

561
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: of it goes to your affiliations on the outside and

562
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: how they translate to the inside. If he has money

563
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: to put in people's commissary, then I'm sure he can

564
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: get some kind of protection. But I also think the

565
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: government is UM very closely watching his money and where

566
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: it does or does not go, I would imagine. So

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00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: we made lastil detail. Don't think you mentioned he did

568
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: withdraw over seven thousand dollars of these benefits in cash

569
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: at various a t M s. Um, knowing that an

570
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: a t M has some kind of cash limit right

571
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: for what is five bucks for a day? I guess

572
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: it depends they would have had to hit up a

573
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: lot of a t M s to make this up

574
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: and not trigger any alarms. Well, there you go, nuke, nuke,

575
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: bizzel rest and pizzle and prizzle and uh, now we're

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00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: going to pause for a word from our sponsor. When

577
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: we return, Um, we're going to explore a troubling example

578
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: of something that we kind of predicted many years ago. Hello,

579
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: and we're back. Now this next story, Uh, it is

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00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: pretty recent. We're we have really to know. We have

581
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: three time frames in which we're going to be operating here.

582
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: So the first of which is very recently within the

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00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: past week, the second of which is within roughly a

584
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: month before today that you were listening to this, and

585
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: then the third one is way back in nineteen forty four.

586
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: So let's start in set some stuff up, and then

587
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: we'll move ahead. So there was a treaty back in

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00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, an agreement essentially that was signed between

589
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: the United States and Mexico, and it was very specific.

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00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: It was a treaty that stated that the United States

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Speaker 1: of Mexico would share water because there are two very

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Speaker 1: important rivers that flow right there along the border. The

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Speaker 1: Rio grand which is the largest one at the border

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00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: between the United States and Mexico, and the Colorado River,

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00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: which is very very close, not very very close within feet,

596
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: but if you look at a large map, the Colorado

597
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: River is right there near the border as well. And

598
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: the concept here is that when when it is necessary,

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Speaker 1: during certain times of the year, when one of these

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Speaker 1: rivers is not flowing a ton of water to the

601
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: other country, um, when it's needed, like in the farmlands,

602
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: let's say in Mexico, the United States would be giving

603
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: Mexico water. When there's farmland in the United States along

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: that region that needs water, Mexico will be sending water

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Speaker 1: to them. It's essentially just hey, when you need, will give.

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Speaker 1: When we need, please give. That's the treaty. I mean,

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00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: it's a great idea, right, that's a that's a cool thing.

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00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: We we've both got these water sources, let's use them together. Um.

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Speaker 1: The problem I think comes in the fact that there

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: was a there was a volume amount of water so

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Speaker 1: fociated with this treaty, an amount that needed to be

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Speaker 1: given that way or the problem I guess that arises

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Speaker 1: because there can be a deficit of water. You maybe

614
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: Mexico isn't giving enough, maybe the United States isn't giving enough.

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00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: Let's let's hit these numbers really quickly. Mexico is supposed

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Speaker 1: to send three hundred and fifty thousand acre feet of

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Speaker 1: water from the river the Rio Grand to the United States,

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Speaker 1: and that's on a yearly basis um. And that essentially

619
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Speaker 1: replenished as reservoirs that are located within the United States.

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Speaker 1: And again a lot of it is used for irrigation

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Speaker 1: for farming. Then the United States every year sends one

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Speaker 1: and a half million acre feet of water to Mexico

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Speaker 1: via the Colorado River, and that water comes from a

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Speaker 1: lot of the western the southwestern states right there. So

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Speaker 1: we've got that set up as the treaty. That's our

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Speaker 1: our grounding. Then let's travel to roughly a month prior

627
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Speaker 1: to today, there have been increase using tensions in a

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Speaker 1: couple of places along the border there of Mexico and

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Speaker 1: the United States. Some some of the tensions are occurring

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Speaker 1: in places in Texas and a couple other states in

631
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Speaker 1: the United States, and there's other tensions that are happening

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Speaker 1: in the state of Chihuahua in Mexico and a couple

633
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: other places right there along the border. The tensions are

634
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: in Mexico right now owes the United States quite a

635
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: bit of water according to this treaty, and again it's

636
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of a cumulative thing where they owe a lot

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Speaker 1: of water at least according to this treaty to the

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Speaker 1: United States. And they're also extreme, pretty extreme drought conditions

639
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: in Mexico right now. The conditions are the worst they've

640
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: been in roughly three decades. So that means there's farmland

641
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: in Mexico and farmers, human beings, families that need water

642
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: desperately but they don't have it. And meanwhile, Mexico is

643
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: being forced through this treaty to send just so much water.

644
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean again, if they're going to hit their numbers

645
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: this year, it will be a three fifty acre feet

646
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: of water, which is a ton. So obviously there are

647
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: individuals who are upset at this the state of affairs here,

648
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: and enough individuals got together and we're feeling the same

649
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: way that they decided to protest against this action that

650
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: was being taken, and they organized and they actually took

651
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: some pretty serious action a month ago when they ambushed

652
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: soldiers National Guard Mexican National Guard soldiers at a dam

653
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: and they actually ended up taking over the dam and

654
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: slowed down the water flow into the United States. Now,

655
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: when you get a picture of that in your mind,

656
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: you maybe you imagine some kind of operation in a

657
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: movie or something. No, no, no, we're we're talking individual

658
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: farmers with weapons that they have, like makeshift weapons that

659
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: they have found or tools or things like that, and rocks,

660
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: and they were able to essentially outsmart the National Guard

661
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: there because they know the territory, they know the area,

662
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: they knew the damn, and they were able to take

663
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: control of it fully from National Guard. There was a

664
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: I think he was a general who was actually there,

665
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: who was deployed with the National Guard to protect the

666
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: damn as tensions were rising, who actually realized that he

667
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: and and the National Guard were defeated, so he actually

668
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: surrendered to the citizens. What do you call this? Like

669
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: the battle of Like I mean that this this seems

670
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: like it could be a cool movie, if not like

671
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: an episode of something. Well, I mean it could be

672
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: a cool movie. The question is what happens next. The

673
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: The problem is what this is, What this is showing

674
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: us is part of a much bigger problem that we've

675
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: talked about on this show many times, the the forthcoming,

676
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: the the very soon to be here water wars that

677
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: all of us, not one human withstanding, will be involved

678
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: involved in at some point in our lives. Yea. And

679
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: this is just one version of how it can go

680
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: down when there's desperation, when there seems to be some

681
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of uh law or government or maybe a combination

682
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: of a law and enacting government a force that says, hey,

683
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: we've got this stuff on the books, and we have

684
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: to do this thing. It means moving resources, even though

685
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: you you know, citizens of this country, to whom we

686
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: serve need this thing, we have to give it over,

687
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: We have to send it in some other way or

688
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: to some of their place because it's necessary. You can

689
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: imagine that's tremendously unpopular if you're say, the president of Mexico, right, yeah,

690
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: if it's okay, Matt. Before we get to the macro

691
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: cosmics stuff in Mexico, there's there's an additional problem. These

692
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: farmers will not have the government on their side in general,

693
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: because they're not supporters of the current president, Lopez Obrador. Right, Yeah,

694
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: it's really it's an interesting thing. So oh gosh. And

695
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: I do not want to insult anybody who is listening here,

696
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: and I do not want to make generalizations, but there's

697
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: a fascinating thing where the farmers are fairly well off

698
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: comparatively to my understanding, to the reporting that's been done

699
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: by Al Jazeera and numerous other outlets, farmers are actually

700
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: a little more prosperous than many of their neighbors who

701
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: are not farmers in some of these areas in Chihuahua.

702
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think it's a one to

703
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: one ratio, but maybe you might say they are more

704
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: along the lines of conservative when it comes to government

705
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: practices for economics. Would you say that's incorrect? No, no, no,

706
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: historically your your spot on, because these farmers are located

707
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: in the northern part of the country, so historically, traditionally, Uh,

708
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: that's kind of a a heartland or h Q of

709
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: conservative opposition to the current government, which is run on

710
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: a the current administration is on more leftist platform. Uh.

711
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: And this this has already had a lot of resent

712
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: generated a lot of resentment in the farming community. Uh,

713
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: there was one quote in a New York Times article

714
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: that you sent us in preparation for this that really

715
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: stood out to me. Where we have a farmer, a kid,

716
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: he's named Francisco Marta. He's twenty three years old, and

717
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: he says of the President, he believes we're rich and

718
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: nothing will happen to us if we don't live, if

719
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: we don't work next year. But that's not true. I

720
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: myself will migrate if I don't have anywhere to work here.

721
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, one person's rich is a matter is

722
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: relative ultimately. UM. And again we're when we're talking about

723
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: the stakes here, we're talking about next year's harvest. There

724
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: needs to be enough water to irrigate the farms for

725
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: next year's harvest, because we're talking about filling reservoirs ultimately,

726
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: with a lot of this water flow that's occurring. It's

727
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: not as though the water is going directly from the

728
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: river into an aqueduct or something that is then fueling

729
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: the farming. It's going to reservoirs that then will be

730
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: used later. Um. The whole situation, I think it's very complicated.

731
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to fix. And you also

732
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: have the added pressure of the United States government and

733
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, the current administration that um there, there does

734
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: seem to be a tendency to want to begin some

735
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of trade inflict or trade war to better the

736
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: stance that United States has within whatever you know, whatever

737
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: deals are in place. UM. So you can you can

738
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: imagine there's a lot of pressure on the Mexican president

739
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: to cater to some extent to the United States just

740
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: to maintain the prosperity of that of those trade deals

741
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: that are already existing. Um. And it just means for

742
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: each individual person, you're kind of being held hostage to

743
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: the governmental machine, I guess in a lot of ways.

744
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: And it feels like that's what we're gonna be set

745
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: up with across the globe very very soon, where there's

746
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: not much we can do, or just kind of being

747
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: held hostage and hopefully there's enough water to go around

748
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: and Nestleie won't own all of it. Ah. But okay,

749
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: so here we go, here we go. What's that old

750
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: what's that old adage when elephants make war the grass,

751
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: it's the grass that suffers. The people are the individual

752
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: blades of grass. And you will find a lot of

753
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: folks arguing that the treaty, which as you said, was

754
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: negotiated in the World War two era, is actually really

755
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: good from Mexico, and it's tough to improve upon it,

756
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: uh in a way that benefits the country more. But

757
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: the country is not what benefits the country does not

758
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: necessarily benefit the individuals who have their livelihoods affected by this.

759
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I mean, let's get dystopian. Imagine now

760
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: macro cosmically. What's weird about this is this is happening

761
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: in multiple places around the globe, right, uh, And and

762
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: the idea of this tension here we have to say

763
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: that all things aside, it would be advantageous to the US,

764
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: especially now, to renegotiate this treaty on terms they found

765
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: more favorable. But things like this are happening at borders

766
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: across the world, right, Middle East, like Jordan's having issues. Uh.

767
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: This the scary dystopian thing for me, like writing this

768
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: as a horror story. Imagine a world where individuals like

769
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: individuals are tracked on water debt. But if that's the

770
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: new student loan debt, like you have to pay off

771
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: your water debt, because that's what's happening with Mexico right now,

772
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: that's not a phrase we made up. It's called water debt. Yeah,

773
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: water payments, water debt and water payments your personal water debt. Yeah,

774
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: you know. And a human is what seventies something percent

775
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: water you just give yourself, I guess is sacrifice? Maybe

776
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: a stupid question, but is it legal? Are there guidelines around, say,

777
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: collecting your own river water and like filtering it yourself

778
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: and not using municipalities at all? Uh, if you're not nestleie, yes, yeah,

779
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: there are there guidelines in states, some states within you

780
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: the US where you can't even gather rainwater. It is

781
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: illegal to gather rainwater, even with those like rain barrels,

782
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: like for like irrigating plants like I don't know the

783
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: individual statutes for all of them, but I know there

784
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: are several places. We we covered that back in the

785
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: day when we're doing I think the general water Wars

786
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: episodes and yeah, you just have to be careful. Colorado. Uh,

787
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: In Colorado, it is the only thing you can do

788
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: is collect up to hundred and ten gallons of water

789
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: and rain barrels. Other than that, it's completely illegal to

790
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: harvest rain barrels rain water past that. Uh, and that's

791
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna be We're going to see that

792
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: continuing because a lot of places in the world right

793
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: now we have to remember, they get water from glaciers,

794
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: which are not going to be sustainable, or they get

795
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: like like Libya had built one of the most fascinating

796
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: ambitious irrigation projects in human history because they had a

797
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: reservoir of what's called fossil water, underground drinkable fresh water

798
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: that is just like a one time bonus. You're not

799
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: it's not renewing. Um. Yeah, So maybe it's the first

800
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Matt, what do you think

801
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: is going to happen to these to these farmers Because

802
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: you can see you can see both. I guess it's

803
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: easy to see both sides of the argument here. But

804
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: are are they going to be successful? Is is the

805
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: president going to negotiate with with these folks to help

806
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: keep their farms viable for the coming years. It's interesting

807
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: because I don't even know how much good I maybe

808
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: I just don't fully grasp it. But to my understanding,

809
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: the actions being taken at this one, I think it's

810
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: the Bolkia. Damn, it doesn't seem like it's actually gonna

811
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: make that big of an impact on the farmers there

812
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: in Chihuahua. Um, it's tough. What I would say is

813
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: it's it's tremendously encouraging to see people's on an individual

814
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: level like that attempting to make it right or what

815
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: they see as to fix a big problem. But it's

816
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: also scary that that type of desperation is already being

817
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: felt enough in that you know, people would physically gather

818
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: together and attempt to fight a national guard force in

819
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: order to get water. Um, if the desperation is already there,

820
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: and I know it's even higher in other places, maybe

821
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: just action isn't being taken yet. I don't know. I mean,

822
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: I feel so conflicted about the whole thing. I just

823
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: it's gotta it's gotta feel weird to live in a

824
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: place where you know you need water and you don't

825
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: have enough water, and you're watching a giant river like

826
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: the Rio Grand send water away and you know that

827
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: your government is doing that and you have access to it.

828
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: You just need a way to get that water to

829
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: where you need it. Yeah, And that's that's something that

830
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: about a quarter of the world's population phase that that

831
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: dilemma extreme water shortages, the things that are fueling conflict

832
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: or adding gas to the fire. Here, uh, Yemen, India,

833
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: Central America, the border in Mexico, in areas like you're

834
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: saying uh to parts of Africa. It's it's insane that

835
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: that that shortage is that large and extensive already. You know, Um,

836
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: it's a tough problem because going back to your earlier question, No.

837
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: One of the big difficulties we found in that is

838
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: in the idea of who owns the common good? Right?

839
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: Who owns is the tragedy of the commons. Right, everybody

840
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: needs a resource that should that's freely available or was

841
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: for the vast span of time, and now we enter

842
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: the idea of ownership, or we introduce the idea of ownership.

843
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: The reason that Matt and I are just taking shots

844
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: at nest Lee left and right is because they're buying

845
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: up aquifers and they're extracting the water, and so it's

846
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: leaving that ecosystem or that region, and you know, it's

847
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: being sold for dollar twenty nine or dollar fifty nine

848
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: or two nineteen or whatever in a bottle. And when

849
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: they're buying this land, they're getting it for pennies and

850
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: their profit margin on the water they're extracting is insane,

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