1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: Our number two here on the drive, into the phone 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: lines we go, and we are very excited to introduced 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: our next guest to Steelers Nation, Cody Alexander match quarters 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: dot com. He hosts the Let's Talk Ball podcast. He's 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: written six books on defense. Matt, you know this, I 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: think some of our listeners do. Cody's been on on 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: the WU show that I do a couple times, and 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: it's always a treat. I think he is one of 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: the best defensive minds in the media sphere of football, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: and he joins us now to talk Patrick Graham and 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: what we can expect for this Pittsburgh Steelers defense, new staff, 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator. Cody. Thank you so much for taking 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: the time for us here today, man, and let's just 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: start with the thirty thousand foot view. 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: Before you if you don't mind, Cody, I just wanted 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: to let you know that, to be flat out honest, 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 3: about a year ago, I was unfamiliar with your work 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: and I just kind of I don't know where I 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: got light of it, but I immediately signed up for 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: your email, which is free. Everybody can do it. And 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, there's so much good stuff in here. And 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: then I joined the substack right before the season or 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: whatever too. You might, oh gladly pay for that. That's 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: great information. I urge all of our listeners to at 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: least check it out. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much. I really appreciate it, Cody. 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: Let's jump into it. Man. When Steelers fans who are unfamiliar, 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, you hear a Patrick Graham defense, what are 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: the first things that come to mind? What are they 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: going to notice on the surface before we kind of 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: dig into the weeds. 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: I think that you're going to see a very similar, 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: not the same scheme that you've seen traditionally run from 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: the Steelers. So I think if you're looking for a 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: year where you're just going to look out there and 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: be like, this is going to be a massive overhaul. 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: We're going to completely flip the scheme. Do our guys? 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: Can our guys even do what they're being to ask? 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: I think if you look at what Patrick Graham has 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: traditionally done, I think it fits the mold, but you're 43 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: going to get different pictures, if that makes sense. 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: Okay, So I've got the same impression, and people around 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: here just like, oh, they're running three four, it's gonna 46 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: be three four. I mean three four to four to 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: three is like talking two decades ago? Is you know 48 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: better than I do? But I don't think that they 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 3: have a lot of Do you agree that they don't 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: have a lot of square pegs trying to be shoved 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: in a round hole now for what's okay? 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: Yes? 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: And then my next question, what I quite haven't quite 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: figured out is like every team the Steelers are going 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: to try, are going to acquire new talent, corner, safety, whatever. 56 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: Do you mind going position by position? And like, what 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: are the ideal qualities that Graham would be after, not 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: what he's inheriting or what they used to get. Does 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: he want corners with length? Does he want a smaller 60 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 3: slot guy? Does he want a Kyle Hamilton slot guy? 61 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Because frankly, looking at the Raiders, they said have any 62 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: good players, it's hard to he didn't really get the 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: pick of any of his groceries. 64 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I think, really when you when 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: you boil it down, he's going to have a I mean, 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: outside of Max Crosby, who is just a game wrecker 67 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 4: on the run, defense in the passing defense for them, 68 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: he really didn't have a premier player, and if you 69 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: look at what happened this year, do I would just 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: don't watch the film from this year. And the reason 71 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 4: why is it's not because it's because of Pete Carrot 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: this system, this system and what like. I've always really 73 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: liked Patrick Graham because he was basically making lemonade with 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: lemons and he was able to put Patrick Mahomes in 75 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: hell multiple times. He could get you through a game plan, 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: he could mitigate it. The problem was he either didn't 77 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: have a quarterback on the other side that was competent 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: or he was forced to essentially run Pete Carroll's defense. 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: I think there's sometimes when coaches get these jobs, they 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: want to be able to walk in a room and 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 4: be able to know what's being said. And so I 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 4: think you look at it the way that they balloon 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: their cover three rates last year. The only fingerprint that 84 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: from Patrick Graham that I saw this past year that 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, that's Patrick Graham was their zero blitz 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 4: stuff that they would use. So he wants to be 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: an aggressive defense. In twenty twenty four they were top 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: ten and I think they were six in blitz rate. 89 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 4: They plummeted. I think they were one of the lowest 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 4: in the league this year. So when you don't have talent, 91 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: it's funny because staying in the division, if you want 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: to look at what it looks like to not have 93 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 4: and then play, sit and get go, look at what 94 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: the Bengals were doing at the very beginning of the year. 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: That's what that looks like. And I think for the 96 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: Raiders that's what it was. So when quick. 97 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: Stopping you, Cody, like, what you're saying is these are 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: the Bengals. The Raiders are execution based offenses where you 99 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: need excellent talent to pull it off because you're not 100 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: out scheming anybody. I just want our listeners to be 101 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 3: able to follow along. 102 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly what it is. Is that you're trying 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: to diagnose everything. You're you're trying to sit there and 104 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 4: you're going to let your player. You know, it's the 105 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 4: old adage of let your players play fast. The problem 106 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: is your players have to be able to process fast, 107 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: which is why the Houston Texans look like they do, 108 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: and they don't really do that much other than stunt 109 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: the front every once in a while. So he was 110 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: playing a very passive game. They weren't getting any kind 111 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: of pressure other than from Max Crosby. There's not a 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: lot of time so to go back and say at 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 4: this roster, like, I think he can actually amplify this 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: roster because he's going to bring a little bit more nuance. 115 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: It's not going to be some of the basic schemes 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 4: that really the Steelers have been running now for you know, decades. 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 4: He's going to be able to inject a little bit 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: of different schemes, a little bit more nuance within the 119 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: cover three umbrella and kind of bringing a different, maybe 120 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 4: a fresher approach to the defensive side of the ball. 121 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: Cody Alexander with us here on the Steelers Audio Network. Cody, 122 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: when you kind of mentioned the difference between Patrick Graham 123 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: and the Raiders defense last year under Pete Carroll versus 124 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: what they looked like in twenty twenty four where it 125 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: really felt like he was the one pull in the strings. 126 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,119 Speaker 2: A huge part of that was that the b gap 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: Max blitz pressure led the league in seven man blitzes 128 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. Do you expect to see any 129 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: shades of that any returned to that this year with 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: the Steelers, or do you think he might look, you know, 131 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: again not trying to make lemonade out of lemons. He 132 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: might look at things, Hey, I've got more talent on 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: this defense. I don't have to dial it up quite 134 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: to the extent that I did in Las Vegas. What 135 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: do you kind of expect that blend of what we 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: know he's done in the past versus what the Steelers 137 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: have for him to work with. 138 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: I actually think that's baked into his DNA, and that's 139 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: kind of part of That's what I was saying, is 140 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: like one of the things that you can say, Okay, 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 4: I've watched the twenty four tape, I've now watched the 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: twenty five tape. The one carryover that I know that 143 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: this is Patrick Graham and this is his scheme. Is 144 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: those b gap blitzes that covers zero that he runs. 145 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: I don't think they'll run it at the same volume 146 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: as he was running and maybe in twenty twenty four, 147 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: because you just don't have to when you have some talent. 148 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: But I do think that that is going to be 149 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: something that you're going to see. Primarily from that is, Hey, 150 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: we're going to see some different blitz structures, and one 151 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 4: of those is definitely going to be those double B 152 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: gap stabs with Cover zero in the back. 153 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: How much Belichick influence do you see in him? 154 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: I think you know the thing with him is he 155 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: doesn't want to run a lot of Cover one and 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: you just don't see. Also then that that mix of 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: Cover two, I just because that was kind of the 158 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: Bellachecki in way right as that we play a lot 159 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 4: of Cover one, our change up is a lot of 160 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: Tampa two. Just be in those those pairs like that's 161 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: like peanut butter and jelly. So I think he's kind 162 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: of been able to really build nuance within his Cover three. 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 4: I think Ted Winn did a really good article for 164 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: The Athletic. This is what was back in twenty twenty 165 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: four of talking with him about how he kind of 166 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: changes week to week with Where's. 167 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: Kind where I was going with it. The adaptability week 168 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: to week is a bellichicki in theme. 169 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: Now that is I so what structurally when you're like, okay, 170 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: can I find some things? I think structurally they're a 171 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: little bit different. But the adaptability in the nuance week 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 4: to week and having this game specific for the opponent, yes, 173 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: that is one a bella checking of looking at. 174 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: It, Cody, I want to ask you about two Steelers specifically. 175 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: Seems like we've already this offseason spent some time discussing 176 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: these guys, and I'm sure we will continue to do so, 177 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: Patrick Queen and Jalen Ramsey and kind of balancing their performance, 178 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: their age, their cap hits with what the Steelers do 179 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 2: in this Mike McCarthy, Patrick Graham, you know, Brian i 180 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: Angelico kind of brain trust heading into twenty twenty six. 181 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: When you look at guys like Queen and Ramsey specifically, 182 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: do you think Patrick Queen could move on from these guys, 183 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: free up some space, use some resources elsewhere, or do 184 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: you look at it and you say, you know what, 185 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 2: before the Steelers maybe kind of do anything. I don't 186 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: know drastic is the right word, but maybe major in 187 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: that regard. You'd like to see these guys with Patrick 188 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: Graham first in this new look defense, before you start 189 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: to shuffle a bunch of chairs around. 190 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 4: I think if there's one guy, if you're like, look, 191 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 4: we have we can only keep one. Let's get rid 192 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 4: of one of them, I think you could probably live 193 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: with Patrick Queen leaving now he does want to play 194 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 4: some based defense, so you do need to have an 195 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 4: adequate linebacker behind him, But I think that you already 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: have a linebacker that I think can be pretty dynamic 197 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: and Peyton Wilson, So I think you can in two 198 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 4: you can find market value and free agency at the 199 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: linebacker position a lot quicker than you can at like 200 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 4: a position like nickel, which is where Jalen Ramsey. Now, 201 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: the only caveat with that is how much outside corner 202 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: is he going to play? Because I think you're paying 203 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: him almost over twenty million a year. You go look 204 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 4: at what does that look like at the nickel market, 205 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 4: and the nickel market's really a little bit over ten 206 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: million a year, and we saw that last year with 207 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 4: three high high caliber Nickels getting what three year, thirty 208 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: million plus contracts, So that is a little bit inflated. 209 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 4: But if you're looking at him more as like, hey, 210 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 4: re plan on having more of like a Devin Witherspoon 211 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: type of deal with you, where you're gonna play outside 212 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: about seventy percent of time, We're gonna play a little 213 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: bit of dime and kick you inside. I think then 214 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: you justify that contract and really elite corners are hard 215 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: to find. I think him being in a more zone 216 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: based system helps him out just because of with age 217 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: and then his just document around football and being able 218 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 4: to play kind of that zone based defense that Patrick 219 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: Grant plays. So between those two guys that would be 220 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: that would kind of be where I would settle. 221 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: So I just mentioned that, you know, three four four 222 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: three is twenty years ago speak, and I very much 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: believe that's true. But I think this is the easiest 224 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: way for our listeners to understand it is. I don't 225 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: believe Keanu Benton is by any means a nose tackle. 226 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: I think to me he's much more of a three 227 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 3: to four defensive end. Now I'm not suggesting they need 228 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: to go get Casey Hampton, but do you think this 229 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 3: new scheme would benefit from a more nosyish guy so 230 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: Benton could full fill the role He's better to play. 231 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: That or just shifting to more of a nickel based 232 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: defense where you're now in four down and so now 233 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: we can just play two guys on top of the guard. 234 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 4: Now I will I will say, you don't want to 235 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: get in a situation where you're like the Bills and 236 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 4: you have no nose on your roster and you're just 237 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: getting getting gashed up the middle. But I think, like 238 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: you know, Ditton is one of those where he's kind 239 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: of the size of a nose, but he's really more 240 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: of a quick twitch guy. And then you even look 241 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: even further, like Derek Carmon is kind of in the 242 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: same boat where they're probably more of a you really 243 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: wanted more on like an outside shade of a guard 244 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: than an inside shade of a guard. Uh. But yeah, 245 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 4: I think that you can. You've seen too, what are 246 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: the elite defenses in the NFL within the past couple 247 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: of years. It's elite interior defensive play and primarily having 248 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: kind of a nose that can really hold it down. 249 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: So I do agree with you at some point you've 250 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: got to figure that out. The three four, to your point, 251 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: is really more or less we're trying to get five 252 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: guys on the line scrimmage, and what you see more 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: or less is that if we're going to play a 254 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 4: lot of nickel, how can we get into those odd spacings, 255 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 4: which is we're clogging both of the begaps, we're putting 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: a body in those b gaps, and you have that 257 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 4: hybrid linebacker that can go down. You know, do you 258 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: have a guy like that with the Steelers or is 259 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 4: that even something that you want to do? So I 260 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: do think without having some hybrid off ball guy, having 261 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 4: a guy that you can stick at nose and live 262 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 4: in base defense, especially when you get more thirteen personnel 263 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: or you're getting twenty one personnel which is becoming popular again, 264 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: that really does help out your defense. 265 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 3: Two more things I got for you, I guess are 266 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: kind of related. I don't want to let you go. 267 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: We expected or do you expect to Watt to not 268 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: only just move where he aligns, but it sure seemed 269 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: like they gave Max Crosby a lot of freedom to 270 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: add lib. I've kind of be like in a Troy 271 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: polam Ali way for a defensive lineman. Could Wat get 272 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: those liberties? And I guess my last question is they 273 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: probably still will have a lot of middle of the 274 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: field closed. Do you think that a free ish safety 275 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: is still the soal what they're looking for for that 276 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: middle of the field player. 277 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's start with Let's start with TJ. Watt. 278 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: I do think that one of the things that really 279 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: highlighted with when you have a star player and you 280 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: kind of let him do what he wants to do 281 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: and then we'll clean it up on the back end. 282 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: The thing that you have to understand with that, because 283 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 4: that seems like well man defensive ends kind of one 284 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: of those deals where you got to have a little 285 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: bit of gap integrity. MAXH. Crosby is just an absolute 286 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: monster in a run game, him and Miles Garrett to me, 287 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: and I know I'm saying this on Steeers Radio, but 288 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: him as an outside observers, their only reason why those 289 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: two guys like a Miles Garrett and a Max Crosby 290 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: are really one A and one B is because of 291 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: the way that they just absolutely kill the run games 292 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: of the opponents. I think, what to me can have 293 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: that ability, but it's more about he's kind of more 294 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 4: like a Bosa or it's really about the pass rush 295 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: and if the running back comes to me, I'll tackle 296 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: him on my way to the quarterback type deal. But 297 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: I do think to your point, there's some things that 298 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: you can do, whether it's keeping him to the three 299 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 4: technique all the time, so basically keeping him covered so 300 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: that he's always in a one on one with the tackle, 301 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: much like you saw like with Michael Parsons in Dallas 302 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: and then also in Green Bay of where hey, we'll 303 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: keep you covered. So you're essentially always going to have 304 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: to get a one on one, which is what we 305 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: want because we think you can win that whether it 306 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: is run or it is passed. So I do think 307 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: moving him around is probably more beneficial and at defensive end. 308 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: And really because he's not a big stimulated pressure guy, 309 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: so they're not going to be asking and what what 310 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: does that mean? They're not going to be asking TJ. 311 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: Watt to drop into coverage at volume, so you're just 312 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: not That's not something that Graham wants to do. It's 313 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: more of a five minute pressure and as you highlighted, 314 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: six minute pressure. Now this is one going to be 315 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: a closed post defense, so you will have a high safety. 316 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: So I do agree with you that you need to 317 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: find either a safety that can compliment. 318 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: I mean it was. 319 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: Right and see that you basically what you ended up 320 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: having last year was kind of like two hybrid guys 321 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 4: that can have if we want to play you down. 322 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: You really didn't want Ramsey playing down a lot. But 323 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: I do think I do think when you do run 324 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: a lot of close posts, you need a guy that's 325 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: kind of your dead signated down safety, and then another 326 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 4: guy that's kind of your designated post safety. Yes, exactly 327 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 4: where he can do multiple things. I think you saw 328 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: it too a little bit with like the Bears with 329 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: Brisker and Buyer. Buyer was obviously the post. Brisker was 330 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 4: obviously the down, but like you could flip it and 331 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 4: just kind of confuse people because they're like, well, I 332 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: always expected Brisker to be down here, and then all 333 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: of a sudden, he's the guy in the post. Okay, 334 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: what's what's going on? You need to be able to 335 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: have that change of ability. But I do think there's 336 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: not a lot of holes on his defense. It's more 337 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 4: or less like you just kind of need to clean 338 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: up the scheme, modernize the scheme a little bit, and 339 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: then kind of inject a little bit of juice in there. 340 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 4: And that would be one of those spots where I 341 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 4: think that you could you could really help yourself out. 342 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: All right, I got one more, because true or false, 343 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: the Steelers gained a schematic advantage by the coaching changes 344 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: from last year. 345 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 4: I I think defensively, yes, I offensively yes, I do think. 346 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 4: I do think and I can highlight this a little bit. 347 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: Just because I live in Dallas here, I've heard about 348 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy forever. But I do think too like you 349 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: will have a little bit of more more of a 350 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 4: little bit more of an explosive offensive scheme, or at 351 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: least the scheme that you know you're going to score points. 352 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: I think defensively, there has been an update. Much like 353 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: the transition that you saw from Wink Martindale to Mike 354 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: McDonald with the Ravens, this is a system that needs 355 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: an update. We're seeing it's it's actually interesting. You know, 356 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: one of the reasons why eber Flues kind of got 357 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: kicked out of the league at this point was because 358 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 4: you're running the same defensive bit you ran twenty years ago. 359 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: You need to update it, right. We see this with 360 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: dan Quinn. Dan Quinn said, I've got to update this. 361 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 4: I've been running the peak demand centric Pete Carroll system 362 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: now for you know, twenty years. I need to update it. 363 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Dante Jones, who's running you know, 364 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 4: basically the face melted five thousand defense in Minnesota. 365 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: So it's like you changed Indianapolis this year, Yes. 366 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: Indianapolis, right, and even an Arumo has been trying to change, 367 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 4: I mean trying to change his defensive scheme as well. 368 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: So you look around at some of these older established 369 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: guys and it's either either changing and evolving or they're 370 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: getting kicked out of the league. And I think that's 371 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 4: one of the things that has been needed. Is Okay, 372 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: well you just switched from cover one to Cover three 373 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 4: and you're still running a lot of the things. 374 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 3: Now. 375 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 4: I will have to give Tomlin credit. They were running 376 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: a little bit more quarters the past couple of years, 377 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: but it wasn't like a nuanced version like you see 378 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 4: in Robert Sala or even at Jeff Ulbrick and some 379 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: of these other guys that have come from that Carol 380 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 4: system that have kind of added quarters into it. So 381 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 4: I do think this is an update, and I do 382 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: think you're going to see a little bit more nuanced. 383 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 4: It's not going to be just kind of that vanilla 384 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: scheme that you've really become accustomed to in Pittsburgh. 385 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: Awesome, great stuff with Cody Alexander. Make sure you're checking 386 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: him out, match quarters dot com, Let's Talk Ball Podcast, 387 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. Cody, I know we kept 388 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: you a little bit longer than we thought, but that 389 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: was awesome. 390 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you guy. You're going to 391 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 4: cut me on here. I wouldn't marriage this. 392 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: Sounds good, hey man, thank you, thank you so much 393 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: for taking the time. And take care you too. By 394 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: there he goes. Great stuff Cody Alexander. 395 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: So for I know we have some new listeners. So 396 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 3: that's a taste of what's coming at the combine is 397 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: when I start rolling with the guests, like I don't 398 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: want that really. 399 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: Fortunately, fortunately Matt and I got some uh you know, 400 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: we're like the I don't know the quarterback and the 401 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver that just have to give each other the 402 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: glance and it's like, all right, I know where this 403 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 2: is going. Hold on, Matt's gonna put MAT's gonna put 404 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: the pedal to the metal here for a quick second. 405 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: I've been needing this answer for too long. It's making 406 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 3: me crazy. I need the answer. 407 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 2: Love it. I also love too. I mean, he did 408 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: a pretty good job, but a couple of times the 409 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: Texas twang came out there and his voice, he's got that, 410 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: he's got that Dallas. He's got that Dallas twang to him. 411 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: But great stuff from Cody Alexander again match quarters dot com. 412 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: He's written six books on defense, puts out all kinds 413 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: of daily clips and podcasts stuff he is. He is 414 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: one of the brighter up and coming defensive analyst defensive 415 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: media minds. And thank him very much for the time 416 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: here with us today to talk a little Patrick Graham. 417 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: We will be back. We'll continue some conversation, some free 418 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 2: agency stuff, some more on the other side. We'll get 419 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: some of your tweets here in our number two as well, 420 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: so you know where to find us if you want 421 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: to get involved. Westeeler, Matt Williamson, it is the Drive 422 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 423 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 424 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 425 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 2: Well that was fun, Matt. Thanks again to Cody Alexander 426 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: for joining us. 427 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 3: Makes me get excited about the combine because we do 428 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: that every day with really good guests. 429 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: And I light up a little bit. I love I 430 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: love when you put the when you put the foot 431 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: on the gas and I just kind of sit back 432 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: and I feel like the rhythm guitarist that gets to 433 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: you know, sit there and sit there and watch Jerry 434 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: Garcia bust into a memorable solo. 435 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: Well he's the league guitar, so that's the beauty of it. Well, 436 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: that's right, right, just set him up, you know. I 437 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: guess it's it's like another version, like a lot of 438 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: things I've been trying to describe to the fans. He's 439 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: better at it than I am. Or it's a different, 440 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: different tone, it's a different teacher, you know. Like and 441 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: from outside, I'm so worried about three four four three, 442 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: Like that's how the league works anymore, you know. Right. 443 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: I loved how right away he was like making lemonade 444 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: out of lemons. We've used that example and the chicken 445 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: scrack and with uh with Patrick Graham a few times 446 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: since his hiring became official. 447 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: They got a kick out of two and he's like, 448 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: don't look last year tapment. 449 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: I tell you what, folks. You get a couple of 450 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: these dorks together and they start sinking up their their brain. 451 00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Think. 452 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: It becomes one big defensive think tank. 453 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: Carol's his boss. He wants to run boring old cover three. 454 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 3: He doesn't much choice, you know, that's my boss. 455 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 2: Hey. Sometimes sometimes that's the way it goes. Sometimes even 456 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: the legends get get a little caught up in yesteryear, Matt. 457 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: I did just want to we're gonna close That was 458 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: a longer opening segment to the first hour. I think, 459 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: as we all expected, we are going to close down 460 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: with some tweets like we have been have been doing 461 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: the last few weeks. So I did just want to 462 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: buzz through some news of the day, a couple different 463 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: items here. Yeah, as we kind of have. 464 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: Sort of a slow day, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen. 465 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: But the big news is something that you hinted to 466 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: being a possibility of happening sooner rather than later. 467 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: I didn't think it would happen twelve hours later. 468 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: But Babe, Ruce called your shot on that one. Cousin 469 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs have restructured his 470 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: salary to help Kansas City, of course, dig out of 471 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 2: that salary cap hole that they are in. They convert 472 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: a little over forty four million dollars of his twenty 473 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: twenty six base salary and a roster bonus into a 474 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: fully guaranteed roster bonus, which in turn creates over forty 475 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: three million dollars in cap relief for the Kansas City Chiefs. 476 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: This is one of those things that I have no 477 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: idea what I just said, and I think I'm I 478 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: think if we had Omar Kahn sitting here next to 479 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: a expert, I would still struggle to comprehend. I don't 480 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: know how just converting a bunch of money into base 481 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: salary and all of a sudden creates a bunch of 482 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: roster yeah salary. 483 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: A little, Harry, I can help a little, but it's 484 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: still what I wish I was better explaining the cap 485 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: and better understood the cap, but I'm not an economist. 486 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: What they what they say in NFL dot com is 487 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: a simple restructure converts payments into a pro rated bonus 488 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: that has spread over the remaining years of the deal, 489 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: allowing teams to push cap hits into the future. So 490 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: that makes a little sense. 491 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: Basically, what I gather is so first off, they were 492 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: thirty second in the league in cap space. Like yesterday 493 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: when we did the they were set. 494 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: Xty six MILLI Swiss, all Swiss. I believe in the 495 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: hole though. 496 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 3: The worst as it stood now they could always go 497 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: to the Bank of Mahomes. The bills are also really 498 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: in bad shape. Allen has a similar contract. Now you 499 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: only do these contracts with people you trust to no end. 500 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 3: The Steelers have done some of them less than others. 501 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 3: The one mistake that I recall, and someone might correct me, 502 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: is they did this with Antonio Brown. Not to this. 503 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: No one's done to the degree of Mahomes. And it 504 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: didn't hurt the Steelers that bad. But they gave him 505 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: a deal with the intentions. AB's never leaving. He's the 506 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 3: best receiver in the league. We can go to the 507 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: bank of AB and get out a small loan like 508 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: you go to the ATM, not go to the brinkstruck, 509 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: you know, like to the Mahomes. Sure, and that didn't 510 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: work out because they had the part ways with them 511 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: for obvious reasons at the time. Yes, So that's the 512 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: one thing I could kind of bring home of why 513 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: it can bite you. Why does anybody do this with 514 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: every player? Well, you got to trust them for the 515 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: long haul, so. 516 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: And you can only you also only like we're seeing 517 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles get to this point where you can 518 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: only rob Peter to pay Paul so many times before 519 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: eventually that that bill comes. 520 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: No. Saints are one of the best examples. They max 521 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: out their credit cards every year and you're just hanging 522 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: on by a thread at this point. 523 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: And if you're a team like the Chiefs or the 524 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: Eagles and you're in a wide open window, it makes sense. Yes, 525 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: but eventually that bill is gonna come due. 526 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: Yes, Now he signed a really weird deal like five 527 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: years ago. He's soignded, like a ten year deal, which 528 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: you just don't see in this sport because they knew 529 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: at that point. 530 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: They were going to do this. 531 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: At some point, they're gonna go to the bank every year, 532 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 3: you know, or every two years or whatever. So if 533 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: you look at it, like who are the highest paid 534 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the league, I think that year he was, 535 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: but rarely is he near the top. And it's like, boy, 536 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: what a bargain they have in Mahomes. Yes, and no, 537 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: cap wise, it's a bargain. But in terms of cash 538 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: in his pocket, he's getting a check for a bazillion 539 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: dollars today, you know, like tomorrow or tomorrow whatever this 540 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: you know it goes through or what think. 541 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: They make Mahomes wait like bi weekly like every other employee. Actually, 542 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: Patrick payday is not till next Friday, so we'll get 543 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: it to you in about twelve days. 544 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 3: And I'm not a financial wizard, and I'm not an 545 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: economist or an investment specialist or anything like that. But 546 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 3: if you give somebody that has a ton of money, 547 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: like a Mahomes or whoever, any extremely wealthy human being 548 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 3: or I you don't have to wealthy, I mean a 549 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: massive chunk today, as opposed to stretching that out over 550 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: eighteen weeks times five years, well I can stick it 551 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 3: in anywhere, and the most boring some financial people rolling 552 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: their eyes of me because this would be like my 553 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: wife talking about Cover two with Cody. You mean, like 554 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like this is not 555 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 3: my specialty at all. But like even if he has 556 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: bought a bond or you just bought mutual funds with 557 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: that fifty million dollar check. 558 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 2: What's it going to be four or five, six, seven 559 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: years interest? 560 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, I mean, just getting it now in a 561 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 3: huge chunk is way more valuable than getting it over 562 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 3: the course of the ten year contract. So in a way, 563 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 3: everybody wins, and it's sort of a loophole like other 564 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 3: I don't think other sports can do this because everything's guaranteed. 565 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: You get what you're contracts are like, they're easy to understand, 566 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: in other sports. Yes, you know, there's not. 567 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: The You don't ever hear the Dodgers are going to 568 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: show hey, o tawny and asking them to restructure his contract, right, 569 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: you know the Calves are going to Lebron and asking 570 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: them to restructure. Is because those deals the deal. The 571 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: deal is the deal. It's fully guaranteed irontee way. 572 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: And you're not moving it around. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's 573 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: how I interpret it, you know, which I think is 574 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: close to the true. 575 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: No, it makes a lot of sense. And man, did 576 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: jewbabe rute that thing you called this was coming and 577 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: twenty four hours later here it is. 578 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: If you're going to free him up to at least 579 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: go get something, you know. 580 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: They're at least close to being back in the black 581 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: now and not. 582 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: Being in the red. Yeah, they might cut like Joan Taylor. 583 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: We've talked about some dudes that could get caught. 584 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, a couple of just more notable news of 585 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: the day. According to Mike Evans agent, he plans to 586 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: play this year in twenty twenty six, one of the 587 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: more accomplished wide receivers of this generation. 588 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: Do you think he's back? I always just kind of 589 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: assumed he's a one helmet guy, a one jersey guy. 590 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: So remember I mentioned this to you a few days ago. 591 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: A lot of times I think I go back and forth. 592 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: I can be, I can be politician, I can be 593 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 2: do as I say, not as I do on this topic. 594 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: Because do I think it's awesome that Troy Polamalo and 595 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger were one helmet guys? Absolutely? Did it matter 596 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: for Franco's legacy at all that he wasn't did it 597 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: matter for Tom Brady's legacy? And maybe Tom Brady's an 598 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: extreme example because he went on and won another Super Bowl? 599 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, But when it's all said and done, this. 600 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: Joe Montana's Niners legacy and he less because he played 601 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: two years for the Chiefs at the end of his career. 602 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: You know, like I just I never know how much 603 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: stock to put in again for me as a kid, 604 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: as a kid. 605 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: Hayward Twitch teams this year, five years from now, we 606 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: should love j Watt, Yeah right? 607 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: And now again I realized that even I can be 608 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: hypocritical with this because as a kid who grew up 609 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: in the Ben Roethlisberger and Troy Paula malu era in Pittsburgh, 610 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: I love that they're one helmet guys. That's as a kid, 611 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: I you know, I want Sidney Crosby to be a 612 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: one helmet guide because I grew because selfishly, I grew 613 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: up watching those guys and I root for those guys, 614 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, right. 615 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't have liked to see Mario as a ranger. 616 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: But but I you know, it was weird when Andrew 617 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: McCutchen left the Pirates, you know, those type of things. 618 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: But at the same time, when you get a few 619 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: years away from it, I don't know. I just I 620 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: think sometimes we can put too much into that stuff. 621 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: But I also still do think it matters. 622 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just he the. 623 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: Bucksher and for the Bucks it might really matter. Yeah, 624 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: they'll don't have a lot of mean Joe's and Terry 625 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: Bradshaw's and Paula Malus and Roethlisberger's in their franchise. 626 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: And somebody tweeted us when we brought them up before 627 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: that Leroy Selman might be the best Buck ever too, 628 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: And I'm aware, and that's a good call, and you're 629 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: not wrong, but they're comparable. 630 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: You can make a good faith argument that he is. 631 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Selmon was on like the worst teams 632 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: in the league for a while, and then they got 633 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: good for a little bit. But that's also late seventies 634 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: and a long time ago. But that person was right. 635 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: It's it's funny. We were just talking about Max Crosby. 636 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: Max Crosby wanted to be a one helmet guy. I 637 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: want to be a Raider forever. I'm dedicated. But then 638 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: things got so bad and now I went out like, 639 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case with Evans like that, 640 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: I one hundred percent understand. 641 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: Be a playoff contender division K. 642 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, at least they're going to be relevant. This isn't 643 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: the Jets. I mean, this isn't the Browns where Miles 644 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: Garrett right, But I could also totally understand if Larry 645 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: at the end of his Cardinals career or Evans at 646 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: the end of his Bucks career says, yeah, I'm gonna 647 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 3: go play for the Bills at a discount, or the 648 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: Ravens or the Chiefs or the Rams, I mean, someone 649 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: that doesn't even need them and just say I'm gonna 650 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: take a lot less and try one more year. I 651 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: can see it. 652 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: Yea. 653 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: And if he I always assumed he just come back 654 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 3: to the box, but I don't know that. 655 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: If he were to say that, I don't think you 656 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: could hold it against him. I think you would completely understand. 657 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: But it is that's always an interesting conversation because I 658 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: flip flop on that one and I go back. 659 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: I wouldn't change my opinion on him one bit, and 660 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: I hope Bucks fans would neither. Like, don't boo him 661 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: if he comes to your stadium. 662 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think they would. 663 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, the only slight Steeler ramification is if he stays. 664 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: I can see Godwin being traded. 665 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: I think you mentioned that when we talked to Mike 666 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: Evans in that wide receiver manversation like last week, and 667 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: that'd be a good thing for the Steeler. 668 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just one more option. Whether you go down 669 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: that road or not. Who cares, you know? 670 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: Who knows last one? 671 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: Matt. 672 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: The Super Bowl champions Seattle Seahawks are officially for sale. 673 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna make it a little buck. 674 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: Rumored around seven billion, a billion. 675 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: Over on that. 676 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: I have one question for Seattle, though, Why make billions 677 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: when you can make millions? That's a bad Austin Powers joke. 678 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I would. 679 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: Take I would take the over no matter what. 680 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: I would take under ten, but I'll take over seven. 681 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Tyler said the Lakers went for like eight. Yeah, 682 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: I mean to be that's Apple's oranges. But I mean 683 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: I I just know you can't lose on the deal. 684 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: No, a lot of Ever, the Commander's two years three 685 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 2: years ago, the Commanders went for over six. 686 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: Those three years ago, you're the best example ever. 687 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: Now that's a bigger market than Seattle, but right they were. 688 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: They were at the bottom of Seattle's World champions, super 689 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: Bowl champions. The Commanders, the football team, the whatever the 690 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: heck they were at the time, were a disaster. 691 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: I bring up all the time because when Schneider bought 692 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: the team, I forget what they paid, but it was 693 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 3: like a billion or under. I mean, it was pales 694 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: and comparison what they sold it for. And he's in 695 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: contention for the worst own or an NFL history, Like 696 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 3: he couldn't have done a worse jobs. And it still 697 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: makes money. 698 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: It's a fail proof. 699 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: It so liver by Seattle, assuming that keeps on this trajectory, 700 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: is going to win in the end. 701 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 2: It looks like and this is not valuation right, this 702 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: is actual sale prices of transactions that had happened. The 703 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 2: Lakers is the most of all time ten billion dollars 704 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: last year, but in the last few years Celtics sold 705 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: for over six billion, Commanders sold for over six billion. 706 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: I got to think it'll be somewhere. If you made 707 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 2: me guess between seven. 708 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 3: And eight would be would be my guest. Again, not 709 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 3: my area of expertise, but wild it's pretty crazy, Matt. 710 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: If you if you could own any American sports franchise 711 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: other than the three here in western Pennsylvania, what would 712 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: you choose? 713 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, there is there a wrong answer. No, yeah, 714 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: I mean I mean, like, did the other leagues ever 715 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 3: lose money? 716 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: Maybe in some areas in like hockey, I would think 717 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: is probably tough. But look about that f SG when 718 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 2: when Mario sold the Penguins a few years ago, it 719 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: was close to a billion, and then they just got 720 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: sold again a few months ago and it was like 721 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: one and a half. So in just a few years, 722 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: that's a six hundred million dollar difference. Yeah, that's hockey, 723 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: that ain't football. 724 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: Times are good? 725 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, yeah, the business answer would be, 726 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 2: like the Dallas Cowboys or the New York Yankees. 727 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 728 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be really fun if you could 729 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: own a franchise that has been historic under it, like 730 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: a Buffalo Bills type, and be the owner that finally 731 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 2: gets them over the hump and won a champions the 732 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Browns teams, teams like that, Like, could you imagine, I know, 733 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: the Pirates have one still Pirates, like I know the 734 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: Pirates Lions. Yeah, could you imagine if you were if 735 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: you bought the Pirates from Bob Nutting and you got 736 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: the Pirates back and winning a World Series for the 737 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: first time since the seventies. 738 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 3: Your generation after generation. 739 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's look, that's that's probably how I 740 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: would look at it as what fan base, what fan base, 741 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: what fan base is just dying for success, and if 742 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: I was able to get it to him, I would 743 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 2: be in a legend forever. Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, I 744 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: guess we could remove Cleveland from the list then, yeah, 745 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 2: got him. One more segment to go. We'll close down 746 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 2: with your tweets to put a bow on the day's proceedings. 747 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: Wes Shuler, Matt Williamson. It is the Drive Steelers Nation 748 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. 749 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven 750 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 751 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: Closing down another award winning edition of The Drive here 752 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, and we will do so 753 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: with a few of your tweets, as many as we 754 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: have time to get to before we get up out 755 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 2: of here. Andrew tweets us this is something we talked 756 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: about a few weeks ago, or maybe when we were 757 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 2: kind of I think it was, we did like a 758 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: kind of just off season, off season overview for each 759 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: I think that was two weeks ago, I want to say, 760 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 2: And we kind of spent two or three minutes talking 761 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 2: about each team and yeah, their cap space and their 762 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 2: big decisions and that type of thing. One of the 763 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: things we discussed when we talked about the Jacksonville Jaguars 764 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: was what they're gonna do with Travis Hunter. Yeah, and 765 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 2: it sounds like they are planning to use him as 766 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: a full time corner and occasionally sprinkle him in a 767 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 2: wide receiver. Andrew tweets us and says thoughts on this 768 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: move and it hurts. It certainly hurts his fantasy football stock. 769 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny if he could not evene cares about 770 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 3: my fantasy thing. I mean a lot of dynasty leagues. Yeah, 771 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 3: and genty was the clear first pick overall in those 772 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 3: that draft class easy one, and then most people were 773 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: taking Tech Millen. I did everything possible in every league 774 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 3: to get to two, and I took Hunter every time. 775 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 3: So I am less than thrilled with what I invested 776 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: in him fantasy wise. Now, part of the I think 777 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: he's the best player in that draft. You know. The 778 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 3: part of the beauty is he could be really good 779 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 3: at either. I'm starting to doubt that he can be 780 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 3: great at both, and I've always doubt Everyone's always doubted it. 781 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 3: That's always been the question. Now I'm not sure this 782 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 3: book's totally written. I think as it stands now, they're 783 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 3: way weaker at corner than they are at receiver, and 784 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: he probably needs less reps and polish at corner than 785 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 3: he does at receiver. He doesn't have a real super 786 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: diverse route tree. But I still think he could be 787 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: one of the best in league at either. But when 788 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 3: they traded for Jacobi Myers, all of a sudden, Brian 789 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: Thomas Junior wasn't doing the gritty over the middle stuff. 790 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 3: He fell into his spot as the outside side down 791 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 3: the field dude, because Myers was doing all that strange 792 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: as a role. Parker Washington came on really strong. So 793 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: it all fit in very nicely, and they won a 794 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 3: lot of games even without their star rookie, you know, 795 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 3: because all the pieces fit better, or they all were 796 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 3: out actually there for the together and Lawrence played better 797 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: and all those good things. I still think there's a 798 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 3: non zero chance that Thomas gets traded though, because that 799 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 3: staff inherited him. That's not really the style. And yeah, 800 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 3: it was not a great year for him. It got 801 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 3: better at the end when he was doing his stuff, 802 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: but he's not really their style. Steeler fan should take note. 803 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 3: I think Brian Thomas is one of those guys you 804 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 3: could maybe acquire if you're the Bills, would you give 805 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 3: him a first round pick for Brian Thomas and coming 806 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 3: off his second year? Maybe? And the Jags don't have 807 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 3: a first round pick because the Hunter deal, so and 808 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 3: I think if that were to happen, just goes right 809 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 3: back to the receiver. Yeah, you know what I mean, right, 810 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 3: fluid situation. Yeah, but that's probably the only scenario. Everyone 811 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 3: else is under contract, So if Thomas were to get moved, 812 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 3: we might be like member backed in February talking about 813 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 3: he's a full time corner, why why is he catching 814 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 3: a balls again? 815 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that happened. Uh. Tyler tweets us and says, 816 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: I think in an ideal world, I'd like to keep both. 817 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 2: But if you could only keep one between a Santa 818 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: Samuel Junior and James Pierre, who would it be? Personally, 819 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 2: I'd pick Samuel due to h That's that's Tyler's not 820 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: not not my answer there, Tyler's. 821 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 3: We talked about Pierre was yesterday? 822 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeahfore, yeah, yesterday. Price point would be a big part 823 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 2: of this conversation. 824 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: I assume Pierre is more expensive. 825 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 2: I would be shocked if he weren't. 826 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 3: I mean, played more snaps, he had a better year. 827 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 3: I don't know. I most of this process, I would 828 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 3: always said Pierre and he would be my first priority, 829 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 3: and I'd be talking to him now. And I'm getting 830 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: off of that. But rewind yesterday age and one year 831 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 3: wonder at that position isn't as good an investment as 832 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 3: his play on the field was. Sure, And I just 833 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 3: don't know what Samuel is. I thought he was fine. 834 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: Here, but it's such a small sample size. 835 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 3: Right, you know, like I'd love to get both, But 836 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 3: that's not the question. I can understand either. 837 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 2: I can understand either. I think i'd lean towards I 838 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: like the risks with Pierre more because the risk is 839 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: it's a little bit more money and he's not quite 840 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 2: as good as he was last year. 841 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but. 842 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 2: The risk was Samuel, I think is greater because there 843 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 2: was just such a small sample size of what you saw. 844 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 3: And do we trust his durability and you know he's 845 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 3: had numerous injuries. Yes, he's smaller. Yes. 846 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 2: Nathan tweets us and says, will each hour of Combine 847 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: coverage being the Drive prodcast feed or will it be 848 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 2: spread across various shows. I think it'll be spread across 849 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: various shows. What you and I do, the three hours 850 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 2: you and I do out there together every day will 851 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: be in the drive feed. But I imagine, like what 852 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 2: when Kinger's on, that will probably be in the locker 853 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 2: room with him in Max. I'm sure they'll. 854 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 3: Look that morning two hours I do probably won't be 855 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 3: in the drive. 856 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 2: Don't think so, Okay, don't think so. And like the 857 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 2: morning that I do with PURSUITA, don't think so. Yeah, 858 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 2: I think it'll probably be spread out, but our specific 859 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: drive show will still be here and you'll get a 860 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 2: bonus hour from the from the Combine. Ian tweets us 861 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 2: and says, not a question, but field Yates just put 862 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: out another mock draft and has Ty Simpson mocked to 863 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: the Steelers that pick twenty. If this happens, I promise 864 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: you guys, I'll throw myself off of Akerscher Stadium. Ian 865 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 2: don't do that, hasn't all right? Come on, it's not 866 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 2: that serious, buddy. 867 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 868 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 2: I think I think maybe by the time April rolls around, 869 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 2: we could change a tune. I'm not saying on Ty 870 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 2: Simpson specifically, but I just feel like everyone's going to 871 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 2: start falling in love with another one of these quarterbacks. 872 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, happen, and it probably would be him, assuming Chambliss 873 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 3: is out of the equation, you know, full done deal, 874 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 3: which seems likely. I just have an incomplete comment on 875 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 3: on Simpson, and he's another one. We would go back 876 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 3: to the segment one. I think they always say one 877 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 3: the Mendoza line. Yeah, that was say one. I don't 878 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 3: know that Simpson's ceilings high enough for me to be 879 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 3: that's my investment, I especially with what's waiting for next year. 880 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 3: I mean, if I can get sellers I think I wanted. 881 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 3: I think I was somebody from next year's group. 882 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: If you can get sellers at pick trading up to 883 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 2: pick eleven next year. 884 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah right, all right, that's and what's funny is I 885 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 3: do the same thing. It's like, we just assume the 886 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 3: Steelers have to trade up to eleven. We have no 887 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 3: clue what their win ross record's gonna be next year. 888 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 3: It's just because it's been so consistent under Tom Win. 889 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 3: They always picked like twenty or twenty first. They might 890 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 3: pick thirty second, they might pick first. You know, we 891 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 3: don't know what the win loss records gonna be next year. 892 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 2: We got like one minute left. We're not gonna be 893 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 2: able to get to all these tweets, but as always, 894 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 2: we'll save them, don't you worry? Uh Sudesh tweets and 895 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 2: says binge the wire all day yesterday, thought of you guys. Anyways, 896 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 2: love the mock draft conversation. Any plans for an all 897 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 2: Steelers bock? Oh yeah? After the combine? Absolutely last one 898 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 2: Awes the Wires is awesome, great show. Last one of 899 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: the day, Eclectic Genius tweets and says, which free agents 900 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 2: do you think are most likely to garner Steelers free 901 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 2: agents most likely to garner compensatory draft picks for US 902 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 2: next year if we allow them to walk. 903 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 3: They have so much cap space they may bring in 904 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 3: more than they lose. They might, although Elmar has been 905 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 3: phenomenal with making sure the guys in or the cut candidates. 906 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 2: There's not a big justin fields and Dan Moore than moving. 907 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean those guys were quarterbacks here could but yeah, 908 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 3: I mean Dan Moore and two start two Opening day 909 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks was pretty nice. 910 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 2: That's pretty hefty. Yeah, Yeah, I think this year will 911 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 2: be a little bit, a little bit less, a little 912 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of a step back. 913 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. And they got a lot of cap space. They 914 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 3: may bring in more than they lose. You just get nothing. 915 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 3: It's not like it hurts you. 916 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: We got some tweets from Todd, from Mike, from RJ. 917 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 2: We'll have to get to those at a later later time. 918 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for uh for participating. Bookmark them, We'll 919 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 2: save them. We'll get to them soon. But a reminder, 920 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: one more time. Maintenance day for the drive tomorrow so 921 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 2: we will not be here tomorrow. That will do it 922 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 2: for us today. Big thanks to Cody Alexander for joining 923 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 2: us to talk sin Patrick Graham. Big shout out as 924 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 2: always to the other two members of this operation, Nate 925 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: Dogg on the ones and twos, Tyler V Mister TV 926 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 2: on the video side of things, keeping us nice and 927 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 2: crisp and handsome on YouTube. For Matt Williamson, I'm wesh yeeler. 928 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 2: Take care everybody. We will talk to you soon. As always, 929 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 2: you know where to find us. It's on your twenty 930 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 2: four to seven home of the Black and Gold Steelers 931 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.