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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Coop People who did Coop Stuff,

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Speaker 1: because we've had a coup in which Robert Evans has

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Speaker 1: stopped pretending to be a different person than Sophie Lickterman.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I'm just the best voice actor there's ever been.

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Speaker 1: That's that's right, and that's why you have those immaculate

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kilsroy, and each week we talk

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Speaker 1: about cool people who did cool stuff, which has never

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Speaker 1: been the name of the podcast. So this week we're

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Speaker 1: talking with Lori Penny. Hi, Laurie, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good on this day that is totally a

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Speaker 1: different day than the previous day that we recorded.

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Speaker 4: It's also a different day. It's also a different day

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Speaker 4: from me than it is for you. That's true. It's

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Speaker 4: just going with here in London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we wanted to record in two different days, so yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: and of course our producer is Sophie Lichterman. Sophie, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Sophie. Laurie knows that I'm famously accent blind,

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Speaker 1: but even I can tell a perfect Boston accent.

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Speaker 2: Classic Boston Sophie because she loves the Celtics so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Ian is our audio engineer. Hi Ian, You'll

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Speaker 1: have to say hi to Ian too him. Our theme

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Speaker 1: music was written for Spyon Woman. So this week won't

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Speaker 1: make any sense, Well, today won't make any sense unless

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Speaker 1: you go back and listen to part one. Where you

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Speaker 1: should go back to listen to part one talk about

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Speaker 1: Josephine Baker and where she comes from, which is mostly

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Speaker 1: a series of not nice things that happened, followed by

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Speaker 1: her doing really amazing shit and making it friends as a.

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Speaker 3: Web of fascinating and brilliant lies. Love. I love the

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Speaker 3: idea of it.

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Speaker 4: Has this just amazing, amazing liar that's her talent in

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Speaker 4: so so many ways.

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Speaker 3: And then she just becomes a spy, which I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, and it's it's perfect. Everyone keeps thinking that

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't be a good spy because she's like an

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Speaker 1: actress person in the world. Right, there are some downsides,

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Speaker 1: the Dooziem Bureau Bureau, god fucking whatever. It's called the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually pronounce all of this stuff. They're spies, and they

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Speaker 1: of the French ci A. Essentially they or the French

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've never known why it's five and six?

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Speaker 4: One is one is Home affairs, one is one is

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Speaker 1: they predate the CIA by a long fucking time, like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, However, it's also woefully underfunded.

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Speaker 3: They're running faked spies in order to feel from the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, yeah, right. They're also relying primarily on volunteer

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Speaker 3: Are you meant to be trustworthy if you're a spy?

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Speaker 1: It's much easier to just be like, I'm a partisan,

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Speaker 1: Jephine Baker And people are like, she's literally the most

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Speaker 1: But this is how it worked, and it worked because

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Speaker 1: she has like two lives. You know, she's Josephine Baker

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Speaker 3: Of secret dorkiness. Yeah, she just pulled her goat and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her dog and her three different types of

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Speaker 4: She's so glad she got so many animals. At the

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Speaker 1: So they show up and this guy shows up and

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Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I fucking hate Nazis and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her handler is a guy named Jacques Abtay.

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Speaker 1: They start fucking, I think pretty much immediately because those spies,

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Speaker 1: That was the problem with this, yeah, exactly. And his

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Speaker 1: They're like, we're going to hold this and it's totally

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Speaker 1: if he's going to join the Axis forces. It's hard

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet you, I bet, I bet You're not

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Speaker 2: Me a bit you can say to me, honey, And she.

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Speaker 2: So it works, she's yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so she's the one who breaks the news to

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Speaker 1: Powers and this is really fucking bad news, but it's

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Speaker 6: Because one of my favorite factors, so the phony war

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Speaker 2: The other nickname they had for it was the sits Creek.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, And actually this whole time, Josephine has complaining

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Speaker 2: Like let's go, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: So on Christmas nineteen thirty nine, she signs up with

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Speaker 1: I have two loves, and her two loves are Paris

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of like London and the reci of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. That's kind of like the rest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, would prefer to be different places. But if you

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Speaker 2: What how'd I do? Is that gonna work? We're gonna

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Speaker 2: We're gonna make stuff book. That's fine, that's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent, here's some maths, and we're back. So she

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Speaker 2: I don't actually remember.

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Speaker 1: But she writes a bunch of songs for the British

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Speaker 3: You just wouldn't let it go. And have you heard this?

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Speaker 1: No, they just sent that guy into no man's land

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Speaker 1: So the phony war didn't last, and for the West

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Speaker 2: And methamphetamine. You know, don't don't don't don't you know?

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Speaker 2: This is this is this is amphetamine erasure, Margaret.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Well, considering our main sponsor is methamphetamines, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Crystal meth. Do you know how many fibers are in

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Speaker 3: I do not.

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Speaker 2: Crystal meth count the tile room.

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Speaker 1: So the methods and no, I'm not gonna phrase it

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Speaker 6: For copper wire.

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Speaker 6: Dudes being like look man, France has a shipload of copper.

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Speaker 2: Grab this ship, we take it back home. We can

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Speaker 2: be fucking lit up for weeks.

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Speaker 1: See, that would rule if that's what they had done.

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Speaker 1: If it was like the Scrounger's army and they just

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Speaker 6: Taking suda fed from France's many pharmacies exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's what the is for, man, we need pseudo exactly.

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Speaker 1: fucking weird. He took over Bullets, William Bullet took over Paris.

438
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: He's not friends Amy Soon, No.

439
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: I know it.

440
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: It's funny because this is not a normal American name, but.

441
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: William Bullet's not.

442
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 6: That's like, that's like the if you're, like, I don't know,

443
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 6: like a Japanese film producer making a racist stereotype movie about.

444
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 2: America, that's what you call one. Yeah, call him William Bullet.

445
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, William Bullet, Johnny Gunn, ted aar fifteen.

446
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the American characters also come on.

447
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: That guy's like, everybody clearly refers to that guy as

448
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: Bill Bullet.

449
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, Oh you're right, you're right.

450
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: But William Bullet.

451
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he insists, he's like, I will it's William Bullet.

452
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: And he didn't want me to call him William Bullet.

453
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: I would, I would Bill you. I'm gonna call you

454
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: Bill Bullet, Like I'm not calling you. That's much less fun.

455
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Billy two Guns, he takes over governing the city.

456
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

457
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: He apparently finds a phone, like one functioning phone, and

458
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: he like calls Berlin and he's like, hey, we're like

459
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: not resisting. Could you please not murder everyone when you

460
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: show up?

461
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, call that an open city.

462
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that specifically, Yeah, they refer to it as an

463
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: open city. And so Josephine could have fled. She was

464
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: a superstar, and she was arguably still a US citizen

465
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: since her marriage and citizenship in France were sort of

466
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: contested because of the whole marriage issue. She did not flee.

467
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: She absolutely could have been like one of the people

468
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: on like the last planes out right, and instead she

469
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: keeps doing her thing in the city. She's performing. She

470
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: walks like ten miles uphill each way from her chateau

471
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: to the Red Cross Center to keep feeding people. She

472
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: keeps performing, and then after performing goes and volunteers more. Oh,

473
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: this is where the meth comes in. How could one

474
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: possibly anyway? Yeah, she just basically works tirelessly.

475
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: France.

476
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: It's sort of abandoned. No one really had made enough plan.

477
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: This is according to this book I read. I have

478
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: a feeling when I start doing more stuff on partisans,

479
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: people will be like, hell, hell no, here were all

480
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: our plans and stashes of guns. But at least from

481
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: an organizational like governmental level, people hadn't really made enough

482
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: plans to fight back, hadn't really made enough plans about

483
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: like what would happen if France fell? And the intelligence

484
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: agency with a French name I'm bad at pronouncing, was

485
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: definitely caught in disarray. They they didn't set up a

486
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: rearguard to keep up the fight, They didn't evacuate or

487
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: burn their files in a timely manner. They managed to

488
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: get some of them out all at the last minute.

489
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: A whole ton of files actually literally using signal just

490
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: keep that auto delete on. Yeah, I know that happens

491
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: when you take enough mess. Well, they didn't have it

492
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: yet to capture off of the Germans. Yeah, so they

493
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: they they store tons of files in a dairy among

494
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: cheeses in central France, but other tons of files they

495
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: just like put on the last train out of France

496
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: and so the Nazis are like, yo, stop, this trainer

497
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: will shoot you, and they're like okay, and so then

498
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: they come on and they just take all the files

499
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: and then the government Nazis get all the fucking files

500
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: from the fucking French FBI and in a cheese warehouse. Yeah, yeah,

501
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: the ones that got out.

502
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: There's just so bits of this do sound like it's being.

503
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: Written to make fun of friends.

504
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, trunk person who knows very very little about the

505
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: European history apartments. Why will the French do files in

506
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: a or just like this is what happens at the

507
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: end of the riker's room when everyone's very very tired

508
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: and just wants to go home. I don't know, cheese warehouse,

509
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: like cowboy guy sends the files to the cheese weak

510
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: house like see you all.

511
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, which is Basically what's happening is everyone's very tired

512
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: and wants to go home, but instead the Germans are invading. Also,

513
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: one thing that the and forgot to do was do

514
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: something with all of the German spies they had arrested.

515
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: So they're just all in prison and then the Nazis

516
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: come in and say, oh, hello, Franz, welcome to not prison.

517
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: By the way, who were all the people who arrested?

518
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: You tell us who all the spies are, right, So

519
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of French spies get executed right off because

520
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: the Nazis capture all their files and shit, yep, yep, yeah,

521
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: they don't capture anythingbout Josephine at this point, and so

522
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: Josephine she vows to never perform in France for the Nazis.

523
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: And unlike that she must have been in so much

524
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: danger though absolutely even if they hadn't found out about

525
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: about her spine.

526
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: They personally hate her. Gebels has like specifically been like

527
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: Josephine Baker's I don't like her. She's mean or whatever

528
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: she called me. She looked at me funny once another supermarket.

529
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: But she does have one advantage fantastic amounts of money

530
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: and she happens to be already renting a or possibly owning.

531
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how it refers to as renting. But

532
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: she has a fucking medieval castle in southern France. Yeah

533
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: it's cool, but it is hard to hide. Not a

534
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: safe ass, right, And so what she does is she

535
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: doesn't hide. She hides the fact that she's a spy.

536
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: So she takes off to her medieval chateau in southern France.

537
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: And it takes Germany a while to take all of France.

538
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, you have like there's a decent amount of

539
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: France there. Yeah.

540
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a it's not a Rhode Island.

541
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

542
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: And prepper queen that she is, she fills her car

543
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: with champagne poddles full of gasoline that she's been hoarding,

544
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: oh boy, so that she can make the trip if

545
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: the gas stations are gone.

546
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Hey bonus.

547
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 6: If you run into trouble on the road, you've already

548
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 6: got molotovs. Yeah, what's that campaign? Yeah, you are ready

549
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 6: for a variety of situations.

550
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: What's the big place? The quote from the Good Place.

551
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: If you ever have a problem, throw a molotov at it,

552
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: And now you have a different problem.

553
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, absolutely, Yeah, so she had the same problem.

554
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

555
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: So she gets out and it's possible. I think she's

556
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: like helping bring a bunch of a bunch of folks

557
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: she knows. I think mostly Jews out with her at

558
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: this time. I've read one thing that's like, and she

559
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of Jewish folks down to her chateau,

560
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: and another one that was like she put her solid

561
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: gold or like her gold piano in one of the

562
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: trucks or whatever. I've read a bunch of different takes

563
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: on how she gets I don't know. There's one version

564
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: where it's one car full of champagne molotovs, and another

565
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: one where it's like three trucks full of pianos. I

566
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. German troops bomb the road as

567
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: people flee because they suck their Nazis.

568
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

569
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

570
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: She makes it to her fucking castle, and she's friends

571
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: with the locals because she's just friends with everyone. Everyone

572
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: likes her. She's genuinely charming and cares about people, and

573
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: so she winds up in this resistance fighting cell that

574
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: was pulled together as a unit from like the local

575
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: people of the town and like the groundskeepers and shit

576
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: at her fucking castle. The local blacksmith ran a clandestine

577
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: radio tower out of her castle to keep contact between

578
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: the resistance in England.

579
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: Her that's just a brilliant sentence.

580
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Her farm hand on the grounds who was

581
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: a pole who'd fled the Blitzkreek. He dies running messages.

582
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: The man who ran the local train station. He has

583
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: a wooden leg from fighting in World War One, and

584
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the Germans like show up and are like asking him questions.

585
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: I think about Josephine Baker and he's basically like, you

586
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: see this wooden leg.

587
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

588
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: They shoot him, but the heels doesn't tell them anything.

589
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: And she gathers up a crew, including a ton of

590
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: Jewish folks that she's rescued that she maybe drove down,

591
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: and she fills her castle with guns, which is a

592
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: good thing. This is I just wish, this is amazing.

593
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: And she plants a tobacco plant.

594
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: Were you about to say you wish you had been there?

595
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it would have gone badly, but I would have

596
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: been in a castle full of guns.

597
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: So it's like.

598
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: We all die sometime, you know. She planted a tobacco

599
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: plant by the entrance to the castle in memory of

600
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: her enslaved fairly recent ancestors who had been forced to

601
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: grow it. She helps a whole bunch of Jewish folks

602
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: hide out. I think like more people are showing up.

603
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: France officially surrenders agree to become a Nazi puppet state,

604
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: the Vichy on June twenty fifth, nineteen forty. They pay

605
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: forty million ranks to the Nazis every fucking day. Resistance

606
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: is an instant death penalty. And the Jamais they didn't

607
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: sell out and become Nazis, fortunately they did the resistance

608
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: thing instead. Technically, legally they were beholden to the Vichi.

609
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: They just didn't do it.

610
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: Right.

611
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now they're the only good FEDS, which

612
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: are illegal FEDS fighting against Nazis. And this is remember

613
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: how they were like stealing money from the Germans by

614
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: running fake spies all at the beginning of this. Yeah,

615
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: this is when they bust that out because their official

616
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: resources have dried up. But they've set aside this rainy

617
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: day fund and they make friends with one other important

618
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: anti Nazi force that is often overlooked in history books,

619
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: the Mafia. Yeah, so they're fairly good at finding German spies.

620
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: This is the main thing that they do, right, is

621
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: that they counterspy and find spies. So then they turn

622
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: But now you're not going to arrest spies. You're not

623
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: the government anymore. And also didn't really work well when

624
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: you just arrested Nazi spies. So these two anti Nazi

625
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: crime enforcers whose names were Big Louis and Little Pierre.

626
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: There they were. Oh man, you love to see it.

627
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: Never change, crime, guys, never change change. This is this

628
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: is my family, Like, this is the side that I'm

629
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: that I'm proud of. Look on one side of my family,

630
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, there were white people in America for

631
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: a while, probably not a great story. The other side

632
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: of my family mobbed up as hell, and nothing, nothing

633
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: problematic ever came from the mafia. Well, of course, and big.

634
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 3: Medium someone in between.

635
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Big Louis and Little Pierre might have been cut,

636
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: no way to know.

637
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Just Goldielucks. The one in the middle is just named Goldilocks. Yeah,

638
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: Big Louis apparently specifically, he has these quotes about how

639
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: he was like, look, I've done some bad stuff in

640
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: my life, but I want.

641
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: To make my grandma proud. There we go oh yeah,

642
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: and so he just murders Nazi spies. M you love

643
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: to see it?

644
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Her handler boyfriend shows up at her castle unannounced,

645
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: right because everything is completely in disarray. There is no

646
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: like am I five or six or seven or eight

647
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: is referring to themselves as like blind at this point,

648
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: they've lost their eyes in France. And so her handler

649
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: boyfriend shows up on announce. He's a new name and

650
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: a new identity card. His name is Jack Sanders and

651
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: he's an American.

652
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: That is also a pretty American name.

653
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally be like, why did you write your middle

654
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: name as American?

655
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: Uh?

656
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Nothing? Jack a man.

657
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: And it doesn't it sounds like a brand of crackers.

658
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: That's truly multiple ways.

659
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I do like the idea of like a British

660
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: spy pretending to be an American and then like in

661
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: the tense moment of the movie giving himself up and

662
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: he refers to French fries as chips.

663
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: Every one of the Chuck Montana, You're doing such an amazing.

664
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: Which state did you say you were from, mister Montana?

665
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: One of the end one.

666
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: South was southern Wisconsin.

667
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm, says the name of this town and then

668
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 5: he like slides across a piece of paper that just

669
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 5: had has Luton written on it. Right, Lester, but love

670
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 5: Yeah again literally any town in the UK, yeah, would break.

671
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: Which Australians called luga baruga I've heard, which is amazing adurable.

672
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: I really hope it's too durable.

673
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: Loga baruga. I am.

674
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: One time was hanging out with Laurie in London and

675
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop laughing. I was sleep deprived from the

676
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: flight and I was on the subway, and the subway

677
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: in London is just full of fake names that are

678
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: all designed to make Americans laugh while they're sleep deprived.

679
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: Nonsense.

680
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: Cockfosters, yeah, yeah, But the thing is the thing is

681
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: that the train line goes to cock Fosters, So every

682
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: single stop says this is a Piccadilly Line train to Cockfosters,

683
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 4: and all of the not English people in the train.

684
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: Completely lose thisshes. It's very delight It makes going to

685
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: pick someone up at the airport on the train completely

686
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: worth it. Yeah, everyone has a great time.

687
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

688
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: And also, nobody I know has ever been to Cockfosters.

689
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it's real.

690
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: No, I why would it be real that doesn't make

691
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: any sense.

692
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: It's just it's sexycinnati. I don't believe it happens. I

693
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: don't believe anyone's really there. Well, is this just in

694
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: that fake state? I it's probably a tack scheme of

695
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: some sort.

696
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so Jack Sanders has shown up. The

697
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: US is still neutral, So being the US is like

698
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: actually a thing that one would do as a spy.

699
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Whereas very soon, well not very soon from France's point

700
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: of viewer, but they wish we came in a lot sooner.

701
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: The Nazis are after I know, I know the ocean, Yeah,

702
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: swinging a baseball bat. So the Nazis were after him

703
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: because of all the files that got turned over to

704
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: the Nazis, you know. And eventually more spies show up

705
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: at her castle, and her castle becomes I think the

706
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: center of resistance on a spycraft level. At the time,

707
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: it's like kind of the center of where the French

708
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: intelligence like rebuild. As far as they can tell, there's

709
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: like other places they're doing it, including in the heart

710
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: of it all, like VICI.

711
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: So the French resistance is rebuilding in a Josephine Baker's

712
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 4: castle full of refugees and guys and guns and a cheetah,

713
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: a goat in a pig. Yeah, in my head, Kenn,

714
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: they made it. It's but please don't tell me otherwise.

715
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: I just don't want to know.

716
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: There's positive news about all the animals, and I think

717
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: it's I don't know whether it's I have a feeling

718
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: when I start studying the French resistance more, I'm going

719
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: to start running into the more like partisans on the

720
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: ground stuff and it's going to be a little bit

721
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: more distracted from this. But from a like intelligence point

722
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: apparatus point of view, yeah, as far as I can tell.

723
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: And a blacksmith running a radio tower is how they

724
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: communicate with England.

725
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying it again. It pleased me so

726
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: much for.

727
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: The first time.

728
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: So French nazis aka v G guys, or maybe it's

729
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: actually a regular Nazi. At this point, some dude shows

730
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: up at the castle and he's like, I want to

731
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: see Jason Josephine Baker. I hear there's guns in here,

732
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: and so all the resistance people will like go fuck down,

733
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: funk off down to the dungeons because it's a castle,

734
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: and go hide.

735
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: Like a scene.

736
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess literally, yeah, like yeah, so these

737
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: like leather daddies were in all blacks show up and

738
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: are like hail Hitler and present her with a search

739
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: for it, and she talks to the main guy and

740
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: she yells at him for invading France. Good, I mean,

741
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, this helps prove that she has nothing to hide,

742
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: she's not afraid of him.

743
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

744
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: So he pokes around for a little bit and is

745
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: like you have been worn, I can't do an accent,

746
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: and you know, fucks off soon after I think the

747
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: next day. Okay, So there's this Jesuit priest resistance guy

748
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: and his name is father Victor Dillard, and he's up

749
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: in Vechi and he sends them maps of where all

750
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: the German Air Force stuff is, like where they're staging

751
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: for all the the blitz and all of that, where

752
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: they're bombing the shit out of England. Yeah, and he

753
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: has decrypted where all of the defenses are for all

754
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: of the shit that's bombing England. It also includes a

755
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: list of all the German spies in England. Plans for

756
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: a possible Nazi invasion of Ireland based on arming the

757
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: IRA and teaching them how to blow stuff up in

758
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: exchange for helping invade England. Yep, because the IRA was

759
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of this one.

760
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: Well that's it, you know again just kind of like

761
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: with what we were talking about the Soviets. That's also

762
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: goes back further than the Nazis. During World War One,

763
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: right before the Easter Rising, there was a German ship

764
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: full of guns that got captured by the British, like

765
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: right before it was able to liver said guns to

766
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: the IRA for an uprisings of the Imperial Germans.

767
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like actually cover that in one of our

768
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: episodes about oh god, what's his name, the gay Irish Knight,

769
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: Roger Casement. Yeah, he was the one who arranged for

770
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: that shipment of guns. Yeah yeah, which is so funny

771
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: because I'm like, Roger Casement, good, you know, but i mean.

772
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 6: Like Imperial Germany, Imperial England, like they're all kind of

773
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 6: morally not wildly different from one another.

774
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: He's not morally a approachable people who did absolutely great

775
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: stuff all the time and it wasn't comp.

776
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this is the information that

777
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Father Victor Dillard has gotten. He doesn't re enter the story,

778
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: so he dies in Dick how a couple of years now.

779
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Dock Cow.

780
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: He dies in dock How in nineteen forty five, which

781
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: is a.

782
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.

783
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: So they get this information right. But they get it

784
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: it's like a really sketchy way, this like super spycraft

785
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: way where this well not this very spycraftway. This guy

786
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, I got to see Josephine

787
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: Baker and people are like, this is the same day

788
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: after the Nazis came here.

789
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: This is a trap.

790
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: Finally, Josephine Baker's like what's up and he's like, I've

791
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: got like news for you from father Victor Dillard. I've

792
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: got all this stuff. Let me give you these papers.

793
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I've never heard of the resistance.

794
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. And they

795
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: send him away because they don't trust him. And what

796
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: they do is the local chief of police is like

797
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of on their side, what is on their side?

798
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: So they call him and they're like, arrest this guy.

799
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: And they go and they arrest him and they like

800
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: interrogate him basically, and then they decide like, all right,

801
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: this guy's for real. And he had actually before he

802
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: left the castle, he had hidden the papers in the

803
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: castle and then left, so they almost turn away like

804
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: the most important fucking information, right. But yeah, so they

805
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: have all this crazy information and they're like, we have

806
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: to get this to the Allies. This is before they

807
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: had the tower set up and all that shit. And

808
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: so the crew decides that while the rest will stay

809
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: and fight, she and her boyfriend Handler needed to get

810
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: to Lisbon in Portugal to get these documents to Britain.

811
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: I would say, to get them to the Allies. But

812
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Britain's alone.

813
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: I think at this.

814
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: Point this is a massive, massive empire.

815
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: That's true. Okay, fair enough, Look, I mean the story.

816
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's just like I feel their correct the record

817
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: here that we always talk about it as like a

818
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: plucky little island stands alone, and so we did have

819
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: a giant empire, and actually quite a lot of people

820
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 4: were recruited to fight alongside this. It probably didn't make

821
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: much of the difference to ordinary London is being you know,

822
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 4: hammered by the Blitz. Because again, when people talk about

823
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: in the particular, Americans, even like you know, Americans with

824
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 4: very decent policies politics will talk about England and talk

825
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: about the British when they mean the British ruling classes,

826
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: and that's never been the total experience of the English

827
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 4: level and the British and like that it's always been

828
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: for them. Yeah, it's them, but like colonialism always starts

829
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 4: at home and they only like one of the reasons

830
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: that we ever had to had to have an empire

831
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 4: a tool was that they exploited our working class just

832
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: about as much as they could to find where to

833
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: ship the excess population so they could become white people.

834
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean that that makes sense.

835
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons white Americans with

836
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: good politics to it is because they want an out

837
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: where they're like, I know, we suck, but there's like

838
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: one place is worse.

839
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, it's just it's bad.

840
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: But we don't know this bit of our history as

841
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: the collective British we like we talked about before, we're

842
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 4: not thought it.

843
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's this just giant howling in the.

844
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: Public historical record, which is of course why people have

845
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: been so upset over the last ten years when people

846
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 4: started talking about the empire, just talking about it, Yeah,

847
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 4: because it is incredible how much is not generally known

848
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: even the recent history of Ireland. And look if we

849
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 4: knew more about the recent history of Ireland. And look,

850
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: you have people trying to negotiate in terms of the

851
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: like the Northern Ireland Border Protocol who have no idea

852
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: about the last few years of Irish history.

853
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: It's absolutely nuts. Rant over for now.

854
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's I think that is really important.

855
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I think it is really important that when we talk

856
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: about I mean even when we talk about like the Germans, right,

857
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: you're like, well, Germany was the site of resistance against Nazis,

858
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: and Millie, I don't know. I don't have the numbers

859
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: off to my head. A fuck ton of German people

860
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: died at the hands of the Nazis, right, and including

861
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: all different types of people.

862
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: But if you want to not die, yes, the products

863
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: and services, much like buried with thousands of rams heads,

864
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: if you were an Egyptian pharaoh, purchasing these products and

865
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: services will make you immortal. You will never die if

866
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 2: you buy these products. And that's a guarantee I feel

867
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: comfortable making because there's actually no way for you to

868
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: assue me over it. To buy this philactory.

869
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: And we're back, so we're talking about how they have

870
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to get these documents to Lisbon and so that they

871
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: can get to Britain. She is the only person of

872
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: their crew who can legitimately claim a reason to travel, right.

873
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: Everyone else is like, like, you're not supposed to leave France.

874
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: Anyone over forty is not supposed to leave France because

875
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: you could be leaving under forty. Sorry, it's not supposed

876
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: to leave because you could be going and join an

877
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: army or whatever. But like, really, they don't want anyone leaving.

878
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: But if you're fucking Josephine Baker, you gotta perform. And

879
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: so she was like, Oh, we're going to go on

880
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: the South American tour.

881
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: We just have to go to.

882
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

883
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: And so they get on a train down to Spain

884
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: and she brings along her her assistant. They say, playing

885
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: down to Sam train.

886
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, handlet slush boyfriend.

887
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Yes.

888
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is actually going to make this next part

889
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: extra gross because some of the information was encoded in

890
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: secret and secret inc invisible ink, which at the time

891
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: was primarily semen.

892
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: Wow, I thought it was piss.

893
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the book I was reading was said Semen.

894
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: And then the spies were all like embarrassed because they

895
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: kept getting accused of being chronic masturbators because they would

896
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: like just have to go make.

897
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: Some because like semen shows up on a black live

898
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: so they're literally just writing and come, I think, so yeah, yeah,

899
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: that's fucking dope.

900
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 6: I know extreme.

901
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: I love that.

902
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: This is the most frantic one king you can imagine.

903
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, just sit back and think of England because you

904
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: need to.

905
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 6: We got some great intel this week. The bad news

906
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 6: is man, I am shooting ghost loads.

907
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: It is dust like.

908
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

909
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: So she writes on her sheet music and her probably

910
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's come of that song Adua Moir and my

911
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: two loves just think spying and come, and she writes

912
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: us all down. But they also have the actual documents

913
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: because its not enough to just have the encoded stuff.

914
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: They need like the photos and shit. So they put

915
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: secret compartments in some of the suitcases. And what they

916
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: do is they bring a fucked on of suitcases, just

917
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: a mountain of stuff because she's fucking Josephine Baker. Yeah right,

918
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: and if she's found, she's one hundred percent fucked, right,

919
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: because it's not just invisible and seamen stuff. It is

920
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: like here's some photos of the ink where or they're

921
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: fucking of the air force bases, right and like how

922
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: they're defended and shit, no one looks at her luggage.

923
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: They all just stare at her. They ask her for autographs,

924
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: and shit, she makes it to Lisbon. They from a

925
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: get on a plane in somewhere in Spain, I'm not

926
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: sure where, and fly to Lisbon. Lisbon is the espionage

927
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: capital of the world. Just then, because all of it's

928
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: like neutral but close to everything, you know, And they

929
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: pass on documents to some guy who's named Major Bacon,

930
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: who also has a funny name. And this trip is

931
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: what re forges. You know, this is okay when I'm

932
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: making the claim that like Josephine Baker saves the world

933
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: or whatever, right, and there's like plenty of people who

934
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: you can say, in World War II, save the world.

935
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: Bill Bullet and Major Bacon.

936
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: Right yeah, now, actually Bill, Bill Bullet, all he did

937
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: was like tell he he just told Berlin that it's

938
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: no open city. Please don't kill us, right enough? Yeah,

939
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: but Major Bacon, who's British. I believe this, This is

940
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: what reforges the connection between French and British intelligence agencies.

941
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: And also is like here's the information about the fucking

942
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: blitz and that feels like real major shit. You know

943
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: that feels like world event changing shit and yep, so

944
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: Josephine Baker saves the world. And then all the while

945
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: she's giving radio interviews in Lisbon about like celebrity bullshit,

946
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: where she's like, oh, I'm here to sing, you know,

947
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: which is cool, Like I mean, her singing isn't bullshit,

948
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: it's like really fucking good, right, And they're like, all right,

949
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: you've reforged these connections. We have arranged safe passage for

950
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: you and your boyfriend Handler to go to London and

951
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: you can sit out the rest of the war. Well

952
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: unless London falls, yeah.

953
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: Right Ley, which is currently being massively bombed.

954
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: It's true.

955
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Josephine Baker she's like, no, I'm not going

956
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: to run from a fight.

957
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: Fuck that.

958
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: She goes back to France, she goes back to her castle,

959
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: she goes shows back up and they're like, look, we

960
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: know that you promised to not ever perform in Nazi France.

961
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We're broke and it'd be really

962
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: sick if you got paid a whole bunch of money

963
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: because you're like a superstar, and also your celebrity access

964
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: to information is more important than your unvarnished reputation. So

965
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: this is another thing that she burns. She burns her

966
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: own credibility. Yeah, and so she starts performing. She has

967
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: done like almost every role of a rebel besides like

968
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: literally the murdering Nazis with their bare hands part. She's

969
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: done mutual aid volunteering, she has done spy shit, She's

970
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: smuggled documents, she's fundraises, she's provided sanctuary, she helps people escape.

971
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: She like, fucking does it all propaganda. We'll talk more

972
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: about that. She also so, now, okay, what's her next trick.

973
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: She smuggles folks out of the country. In particular, she

974
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: smuggles to two people out of the country. One is

975
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: her old gay male lover, Fred Ray, who is her

976
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: co star and a lot of stuff back in the day,

977
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: and he's openly gay, and the Nazis were like, fuck

978
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: this guy, We're going to fucking kill him, right, And

979
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: he also had fought in a French foreign legion against

980
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: the Nazis, which is like, so now they double don't

981
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: like him. And another is a German Jewish film producer,

982
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: Rodolphe Solompson, who had already fled Germany with his family

983
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and so Fred and Rodolph and his family. They're going

984
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: to go flee and they're going to go to Morocco

985
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: ostensibly to perform again this but it's more than that.

986
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: North Africa is the next theater opening in the war,

987
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: and she needs to be where she's useful. Also, the

988
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: Nazis were onto her kind of They were like, right,

989
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: I think they weren't onto her as a spy yet.

990
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: That's going to common about a year or so. But

991
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: they're like gonna fuck this lady Tip and so they

992
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: blacklist her and so she needs to get the fuck

993
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: out before they arrest her.

994
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: She can't.

995
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: She cancels the last bit of her shows in Marseille

996
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: and she gets on a steamer along with a great Dane,

997
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: three monkeys and two mice.

998
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: Oh hell yeah, it's fantastic.

999
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: Everyone is like what are you doing? Leave the animals

1000
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, what are you doing?

1001
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1002
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it kind of works in that, like hurt,

1003
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: she's not gonna fly under the radar, so she flies

1004
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: over the radar, you know, yeah, or breaks through the

1005
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: radar or whatever. And my metaphor doesn't work right. But

1006
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: she gets to Africa and she's immediately arrested by Vichy

1007
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: police for breach of contract because she owed more shows

1008
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: to the fucking people in Marseille. It takes her like

1009
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: a week to sort that one out, because it's not

1010
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: a we're going to murder you crime.

1011
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1012
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: She's rescued her, her friends and herself. She then immediately

1013
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: sets to work using her connections to get passports for

1014
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Jews fleeing Europe. Then she gets sick as fuck paranatitis,

1015
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: which is basically stomach is bad to squeamish folks like me.

1016
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1017
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: She spends eighteen months in the hospital in the middle

1018
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: of all this shit. At one point, she's so close

1019
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: to death that the poet Langston Hughes and Chicago writes

1020
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: her obituary and published it by accident because everyone thought

1021
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: she was dead. He'd written that she was quote as

1022
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: much a victim of Hitler as the soldiers who fall

1023
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: today in Africa fighting his armies. The Arians drove Josephine

1024
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: away from her beloved Paris. Josephine had to write a

1025
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: attraction to her own obituary saying, quote, there has been

1026
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: a slight error. I am much too busy to die.

1027
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, this was like that whole like five six

1028
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: year period was like the Golden Age for one liners,

1029
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: some really truly incredible lines. Yeah, oh god, my favorite to.

1030
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: Fight your own death, isn't it? Like do you want

1031
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: to be a spy or not? We're moving on now.

1032
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: No, sorry, So her hospital room becomes a resistance center

1033
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: for spies because they can meet there, because they're under

1034
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: the pretense of visiting Josephine Baker, because like lots of

1035
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: people are coming and visiting. So while she's sick, she

1036
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: gathers information about AXIS North African access defenses, about the tides,

1037
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: and helps pave the way for Operation Torch when the

1038
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: Allies fuck up AXIS forces in North Africa in the

1039
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: US gets involved a little bit more directly in the war,

1040
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: I believe. So eighteen months she gets out and she

1041
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: goes on to start passaging messages back and forth as

1042
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: she travels across North Africa, performing to raise money and performing.

1043
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: For the troops.

1044
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: And the main way that she's carrying information is invisible

1045
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: inc on her sheet music. And then the other thing

1046
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: is notes pinned inside her underwear because she's like, I'm

1047
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: Josephin Baker. No one's going to strip search me.

1048
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: And she's right.

1049
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: The entire war goes by, and when Strip searches her

1050
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know who else sucks besides Germany?

1051
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: The fucking US army. It's segregated, so she refuses to

1052
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: play for a segregated army and only will play when

1053
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: the black and white soldiers sit together. This is amazing

1054
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: also that local folks like North African folks are allowed

1055
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: to attend her performances. At one point, cool she's singing

1056
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: and performing for the troops and the base they're at

1057
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: is bombed and there's a bombing raid on the base.

1058
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: She doesn't stop singing because they're like, oh, they got

1059
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: to get you out of here, and she's like, well,

1060
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: the soldiers can't leave.

1061
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: So I'm not fucking leaving. Also based and the.

1062
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: Other thing, she is doing all of this out of

1063
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: her own pocket because there's no money for troop entertainment,

1064
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: so she just burns ten million francs of her own

1065
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: money to travel the world being a spy performing for troops.

1066
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: So she works as a diplomat. She is talking with

1067
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: people across Northern Africa about why they should support the Allies. Specifically,

1068
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: she helps connect the free forces of France with Egyptian stuff.

1069
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know enough about the course of the

1070
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: war to say how influential this is. I just like,

1071
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: straight up, I don't know. By nineteen forty two, it

1072
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: is clear that the Nazis are onto her. She keeps going.

1073
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: She's less of a spy at this point, and she

1074
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: is just and just gets quotes because it's still fucking amazing,

1075
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: an entertainer and a fundraiser for the war effort. The

1076
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: leader of Free France gives her a fancy bejeweled medal

1077
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: at some point. There's like all of the people keep

1078
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: listening off her medals and all of the articles, but

1079
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: I never care about that, and so I don't pay attention,

1080
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: so I didn't write them down. Gives her a fancy

1081
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: bejeweled medal for her service in nineteen forty three, so

1082
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the next time she's in Beirut she auctions it off

1083
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: to raise money for the resistance. Great and in nineteen

1084
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: forty four she joins the Free French Air Force properly

1085
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: and becomes a second lieutenant. This is an all women unit,

1086
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's mostly for propaganda purposes, and I'm

1087
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: not entirely certain. I wasn't able to like find more

1088
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: information about that. I mean, she can fucking fly, right.

1089
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: She's a pilot. She's flown missions with the Red Cross

1090
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: for refugees, and she's flying along as the Allies march

1091
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: into access territory and start liberating camps. She's like flying

1092
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: along and she starts performing for refugees and for Holocaust

1093
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: survivors as they like are freed from concentration camps. And

1094
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of I don't know, I just I think

1095
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: it's fucking cool. So when Paris was retaken, she goes

1096
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: and she just sells all of her jewelry and shit

1097
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: and raises money and gives it directly to poor folks.

1098
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: It's no longer now that like Paris is retaken, and

1099
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: now that the war is fucking winding down, she's not like, oh,

1100
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to give all my money to like the

1101
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: military effort or whatever. She's just like or the French government.

1102
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: She just like directly gives it to poor people.

1103
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: You're already thinking about putting things back together.

1104
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And she burns her entire fortune during the

1105
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: course of the war. She like actually puts it all

1106
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: on the line in her life and even her fucking

1107
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: reputation by playing her fucking Nazis to raise money and

1108
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: get info.

1109
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: It's so brave, Yeah, someone as the bravest bit of it.

1110
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1111
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like if she had died before that and

1112
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 1: no one knew that she was like a super cool spy,

1113
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: it would have been like, oh, she was cool, and

1114
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: then like I don't know, and then.

1115
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: She steaded performing for the Nazis and sold out.

1116
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and for.

1117
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 4: Somebody who has like like right at the beginning, we

1118
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: were talking about different ways of telling your story, and

1119
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 4: she clearly wanted to own it and to make up

1120
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: things about herself again and again and be in charge

1121
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 4: of it. So to risk that the story people would

1122
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: have about her was really really awful. It's just the

1123
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 4: bravest thing a person that that can do.

1124
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you're right, because I mean she clearly isn't

1125
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: afraid of death, Like you don't become a pilot or

1126
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: a spy because you're afraid of dying, you know why.

1127
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true too, right, Yeah, And I'm guessing I

1128
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: don't know how long cheetahs live, but I stop hearing

1129
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: about Hiquida before she takes all of her animals over.

1130
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm presuming Shakida lived a natural life span and.

1131
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 4: Like and had a long, happy life somewhere else, because

1132
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 4: cheetas never die.

1133
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Yeah, totally.

1134
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: So after the war, she goes back to performing, but

1135
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: she has a newfound seriousness. She rebuilds a lot of

1136
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: her famousness. She kind of like when I say struggles financially,

1137
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know how much bother she was

1138
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: by it or not, you know, but she's like, doesn't

1139
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: reach the same level of like, fuck off money. Yeah,

1140
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: but I think that that might be not as much

1141
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: important to her at this point anymore, you.

1142
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: Know, just dispertely leaves money. Yeah.

1143
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty one, she returns to the US, not

1144
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: to live there, but to to use her fame to

1145
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: force places to desegregate. This nightclub in Miami was like segregated,

1146
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: and they were like, hey, we want you to come

1147
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: play here, and she's like, I'm a fucking plan for

1148
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: a segregated club.

1149
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: Fuck you.

1150
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: They're like, we'll give you ten thousand dollars, which I

1151
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: don't have the I forgot to do the money calculator.

1152
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: But it's like about forty million dollars in modern money. Yeah, yeah, roughly.

1153
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And no matter how much money they offer her,

1154
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: she's not going to play for segregated audience. So they desegregate,

1155
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: and then she goes on a US tour that went

1156
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: way the fuck better than last time she tried, you know,

1157
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: twenty five years earlier or fifteen years earlier. And when

1158
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: she fought to desegregate the Stork Club, which is an

1159
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: old bougie asshole club in New York City, some assholes

1160
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: and some asshole and the press called her a communist.

1161
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: So the US kicked her out of the country because

1162
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: even though they were getting slightly better about racism, they

1163
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: were really anti communist.

1164
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: It was a it was a two steps forward several

1165
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: other steps back, so.

1166
01:02:59,360 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: You can deal.

1167
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was banned for twelve years nineteen sixty three.

1168
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: They lifted it in nineteen sixty six. She goes to

1169
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: Cuba and plays in Havana for actual communists. I have

1170
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: like no belief that she became a communist or something,

1171
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: but I think she was about what she was about.

1172
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: You know.

1173
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she worked for the NAACP in the US.

1174
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: She spoke she was the only official woman speaker at

1175
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty three March on Washington alongside Martin Luther

1176
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: King Junior, and she used the fact that she was

1177
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: the only woman who was like given a place to

1178
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: speak to invite other black women up to speak, and

1179
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: specifically Rosa Parks and Daisy Baits came up and gave

1180
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: small speeches basically like as part of her speech, because she.

1181
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 3: Was like, this is so completely crazy. I'm like, yeah,

1182
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: they dunce.

1183
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know.

1184
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: And if you read all these articles about her.

1185
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: Always did the most base thing she could. Yeah, yeah.

1186
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: And when she spoke in nineteen sixty three, she wore

1187
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: her free French uniform.

1188
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 7: Oh god, just unerringly based. Yeah, like a base seeking missile. Okay,

1189
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 7: there's gonna be one little I'll get to it. This

1190
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 7: next part, isn't it. When when Martin Luther King Junior, dies,

1191
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 7: his widow asked Baker if she would take his place

1192
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 7: as leader of the movement, and for the first time,

1193
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 7: she let her own safety influence her decision. She said

1194
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 7: her children were too young to lose their mother, and

1195
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 7: her first duty was to them. Because now let's talk

1196
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 7: about her children, who kind of don't Okay. So she

1197
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 7: adopted twelve kids from around the world, called them the

1198
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 7: Rainbow Tribe, in an effort to show that quote, children

1199
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 7: of different ethnicities and religions could still be brothers. So

1200
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 7: she raised them all different religions, including not necessarily the

1201
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 7: religions that they would have been otherwise born into. Okay,

1202
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of criticism from a optees today

1203
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 7: about the way that adoption agencies work, especially around international

1204
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 7: adoptions and things like that. She also arranged tours of

1205
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 7: her chateau so that tourists could come see how happy

1206
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 7: her Rainbow Tribe was, and the kids would sing and

1207
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 7: dance for the tourists.

1208
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1209
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: And then here's one part that I found one source

1210
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: and that confuses me. When one of her kids, who

1211
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: is Argentinian, was fifteen and like came out as gay,

1212
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: she kicked him out of the house and sent him

1213
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: back to Argentina. And it's really that's a bumb I

1214
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: don't it. I believe so, But it's like, and it's

1215
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: interesting because she's bisexual. She saved this gay man's life

1216
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: on purpose, who she was also her Yeah, she also

1217
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: converted to Catholicism later in her life. And I don't

1218
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: know if those are related.

1219
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: Maybe she just got listed, yeah, debased.

1220
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I as far as I can, all her

1221
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: kids who've now also mostly lived full, complete lives and died,

1222
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: I think her kids tend not to be her biggest

1223
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: fan about the way that she raised them.

1224
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you can't, you can't get it all right, yeah,

1225
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: And it's.

1226
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: Like and you can see where it's coming from and

1227
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: all the like singing and dancing. Shit, that's like what

1228
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: she fucking did and what she loved.

1229
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah.

1230
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: So her last marriage, I know, I know, we're it's

1231
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: not done.

1232
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 3: Oh it were.

1233
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: This is the this is the winding down. Her last

1234
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: marriage was to an artist named Robert Brandy was about

1235
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: thirty years younger than her. It's referred to as a

1236
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: platonic marriage and it was never legally sanctioned. It was

1237
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: in an empty church in Mexico. They kept it away

1238
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: from the press because they didn't want to deal with

1239
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: all the bullshit. In nineteen seventy five, she performed in

1240
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: Carnegie Hall and there was a standing ovation before she

1241
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: came on stage, and she cried because the night and

1242
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: day difference from her treatment. The last time she tried

1243
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: to play Carnegie Hall, like you know, thirty fifty whatever

1244
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: years earlier. That's a few days later, at sixty eight

1245
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: years old, she slipped into a coma and died of

1246
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: brain bad stuff. About twenty thousand people showed up for

1247
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: her funeral procession in Paris. She was the first American

1248
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: woman buried in France, with full military honors and a

1249
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: twenty one gun salute.

1250
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: Damn.

1251
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: A few years ago she was reburied in the Pantheon,

1252
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: France's Tomb of Heroes, and she's the first American of

1253
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: any gender race to be buried there, as well as

1254
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: the first pilot and as well as the first black woman.

1255
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: God damn. Yeah, she just fucking did everything.

1256
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: He really did, like you feel like, and he just

1257
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: started getting up earlier in the morning.

1258
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 6: No, I will say she was probably exhausting to be around. Yeah,

1259
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 6: oh sure, yeah, smuggling shit via the air and spying

1260
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 6: on the look you know some of us.

1261
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do you have a.

1262
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: But do you ever just dick around? Do you have

1263
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: to just think, no, I'm just not going to do it.

1264
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, hang out with my monkey and dick around games

1265
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 4: with my cheetah and like go to my pig and

1266
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 4: that's it.

1267
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: No, And the worst part is this somehow she's still

1268
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: hand collected the snails to feed her ducks.

1269
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: You know.

1270
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a full day for me. Yeah, I'm on

1271
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: snail dude, that's like eight hours here.

1272
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they're not that fast. Famously, Yeah, that's true.

1273
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: Actually snail's pace specifically referring to the pace at which

1274
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: one can find them and put them in the bu

1275
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew the etymology of that. Yeah,

1276
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: that's a true fact, true facts with Margaret. Yeah, so

1277
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: that's just beIN Baker, who saves the world.

1278
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: Amazing story talking about moments that saved the world. And

1279
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 3: it's funny.

1280
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 4: I wrote something a couple of years ago about alternate

1281
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 4: histories and how all these stories ab alternate histories. But

1282
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 4: other seventy years, these histories of alternate histories, often when

1283
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 4: you go to the alternate future, or it goes to

1284
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 4: one moment that's changed, and it always ends up in

1285
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 4: if this had not happened, then the Nazers would have

1286
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 4: won the war or some other fascist future, and it's

1287
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 4: always I don't know, it's this anxiety that if that

1288
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 4: were always I mean I think, particularly a few years ago,

1289
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 4: but this ongoing anxiety that we're just one of butterfly

1290
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 4: wing flaps, one little butterfly wings flap away from a

1291
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 4: fascist future. And I think, like all these amazing individual stories,

1292
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: it doesn't make them most amazing and it doesn't make

1293
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 4: it more scary the fact that all of them had

1294
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 4: to happen.

1295
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 6: A lot of people had to save the world, right,

1296
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 6: but effort, that's I mean, I think if we're if

1297
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 6: we're really drilling down into it, it's like, you know,

1298
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 6: the I think the likelihood was always less that the

1299
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 6: Nazis will take over the world and more that like

1300
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 6: the Nazis would not be forced out of power in

1301
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 6: Europe absolutely to all acoustic completion and all sorts of

1302
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 6: like a lot of really terrifying things that don't involve

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Speaker 6: you know, the Third Reich invading Delaware.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: No, that's such a good point, And that's part of

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Speaker 1: how like a lot of the if the Nazis won

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Speaker 1: is all about them taking over the US because it's

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Speaker 1: being written from an American audience.

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Speaker 2: Whoever, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I did that. Yeah, when you're saying the world I

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Speaker 3: didn't really seem in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, no, sorry that And when I say America,

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Speaker 1: I mean the United States of America, not the entire

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Speaker 1: two continents that that name. Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: forgot that. You know, you you British people don't realize

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Speaker 1: that the world is entirely America.

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Speaker 3: Germans coming to Yeah, it was so great talking to

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Speaker 3: you guys. Honestly this is.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: On that note, do you have anything that if people

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Speaker 1: enjoyed you here, how can people listen to more of

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Speaker 1: what you do, or watch your TV shows or read

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Speaker 1: your book?

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Speaker 3: Well you can.

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Speaker 4: I've written quite a few books. My latest is called

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Speaker 4: Sexual Revolution, and it's available from all good and a

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Speaker 4: number of bad bookstores. I work on various TV shows,

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Speaker 4: including You Might Have Seen a Haunting and Blind Manner

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Speaker 4: or Carnival Row or a few other things I'm not

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Speaker 4: allowed to talk about yet. And but also you can

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Speaker 4: you can find my writing online on the blue Bird

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Speaker 4: site at Penny Penny Red and on sub Second lots

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Speaker 4: of other places. Honestly, if you just google me, see

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Speaker 4: what comes up first, it will be whatever people are

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Speaker 4: most interested in. So I don't know, it's lazy for

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Speaker 4: me to trust the algorithm, but I'm not as tired

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Speaker 4: as Josephine Baker because it's it's one place in the

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Speaker 4: morning here.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're stayed up late because of the blitz that

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Speaker 2: still is going on.

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Speaker 3: Well no, that's just general my estate. It's not going

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Speaker 3: on still. But that's how time works, you see.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: But if you come and visit just to check, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I probably should.

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Speaker 2: Sophie, do you have anything you want to plug for

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Speaker 2: Cool Zone Medium? Yeah? I am Sophie lester Man. You

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Speaker 2: can find me on the internet at www dot ivice

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Speaker 2: dot com. That's my personal website. Yeah, and I love

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Speaker 2: I love the Celtics, which I call the Celtics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's important. That's how we know that you're a spy.

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Speaker 1: If you want to find me on the internet, I'm

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Speaker 1: at Magpie Killjoy on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: The thing I want to plug is that all of

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Speaker 1: June twenty twenty three, if anyone you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: I will be kickstarting a game called p Number City,

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Speaker 1: to tabletop role playing game where you can drive around

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Speaker 1: on motorcycles that are likely to explode and fight against

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Speaker 1: the god King and do all kinds of actually fairly

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Speaker 1: like Roaring twenties kind of stuff, but with more magic

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Speaker 1: so you can.

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Speaker 3: Back this sounds brilliant. Can we play it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can, but only you. Everyone else is to

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Speaker 1: back it first.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I'll go cry alone in my room. I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 2: it's just the way it is. No, No, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: Don't give me any special treatment. Yeah, after all the

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Speaker 2: things I've done. Yeah, and we'll see you all next week.

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Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media.

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