1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody quick heads up. At the top of today's episode, Uh, 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: we're getting frank, We're getting candid. We are just like 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the folks on the Real World, getting real, which means 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: that there may be some language in here that is 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: not appropriate for everybody in the audience today. Still, it's 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: a wild ride and we can't wait to hear what 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: you think. Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. 8 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 9 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. Let's give it up 10 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: for the one and only Mr Max Williams. Nope, they'll 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: accept our rose. Will you accept this rose? Max, Super 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I will always accept your rose. Well, no, I'll accept 13 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: your rose. Ben, I'm kind of accept Ben's no what, no, 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: no where. We're a unit. We're a complete We're a 15 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: complete unit. That's our whole we're that's our whole thing. 16 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: We're we're a package deal on every dating reality show 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: we do, which might be why we don't win as 18 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: often as we'd like well to be. Between the two 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: of us, we both possessed traits that make for one 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: entire human person. That's true. We add up, We've done 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: the math. We add up to one decent guy. It's true. Uh. 22 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: And speaking of adding up folks housekeeping note, this is 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: part two of a history of reality television. We are 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: joined once again with a very special guest, mastermind of 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: the I Heart Next Up initiative. You've heard her on 26 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist, which she runs. She is working extensively 27 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: with other folks in the family like Will Ferrell, our 28 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: pals from this is important. Uh. You can find Anna 29 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: host in short pretty much everywhere on My Heart. She's 30 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: super busy. But she's also our resident expert in reality television. 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: So no, we knew we had to get an a 32 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: on this if we wanted to do a justice right. Absolutely, 33 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: let's get it right to it. It turns out whomever 34 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: came up with the idea for the Bachelor, which you 35 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: you know a ton about Anna, they were arguably also 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: ahead of their time. Right now, I believe that Empire 37 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: is one of the most famous, well known reality shows 38 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of all time. And this is this kind of like 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: an underhand softball question. Slob in this your way, because 40 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: I feel like your best equipped of the three of 41 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: us to talk about this. Can you tell for anyone 42 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: who somehow hasn't heard of this show, Can you tell 43 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: us the basic premise and a little bit about the 44 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: history of it. Yes, So the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Bachelor Pad franchises were created originally by Mike Flice, who, 46 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: if you know anything about him, not a good person. Uh. 47 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: And and also Heidi Flice Hollywood, my dame's cousin. Interesting 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: fact um grew up together in the southern California area. 49 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: So Mike Flice was a bit of kind of like 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: this hippie stoner character who worked in production. He always 51 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to like create a you know, hit show with 52 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: smoking weed in his office all day, and came across 53 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: the show called Singled Out, which was with Chris Hardwick 54 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: at the time. Yes, nerdus Chris Hardwick, can you believe 55 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: he's been around this long? And Jenny McCarthy, famous anti 56 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: vax model some modeling in the day founder True Collie 57 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: in trying to keep people from being vaccinated. And so 58 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: that show involved a group of people who were basically 59 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: competing for one person's i mean attention love. One contestant 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: was basically choosing between a group of like fifties singles. 61 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: So the idea of like you're being singled out. So 62 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: that was mid to late nineties, and that kind of 63 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: led Flice to pitch the show Who Wants to Marry 64 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: a Multi Millionaire, which was his original first series, where 65 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: there was a rich guy who turned out wasn't really 66 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: large and a bunch of women basically competed for his 67 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: love to be chosen by him. Does not end well, 68 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: if you guys, go look it up, it ends very weird. 69 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: So he was able from that show to come back 70 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: and pitch the concept of the Bachelor. And if you 71 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: guys ever saw The Bachelor Season one with this guy Alex, 72 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: who really felt like he didn't want to be there 73 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: was a very interesting sort of dynamic. He was able 74 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: to choose from about thirty women in like a mansion 75 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: in Malibu where they would all kind of live and 76 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: hang out. And so this guy Alex had the opportunity 77 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: to talk and hang out with go on dates with 78 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: either single or group dates with all these women, and 79 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: by the end of ten episodes, because at the time 80 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: it was only I think, yeah, ten episodes, choose one 81 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: of them, including being able to go television as wild, 82 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: go to like a fantasy suite with them, like literally 83 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: like choose three of them to have sex, which choose 84 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: four of them to meet their families. You know. Like 85 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: so it's like this kind of breakdown process of you know, 86 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: eliminating these women to get to one at the end 87 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: where they had to they end up with two and 88 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: they have to choose one. And so this was such 89 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: a like popular like just format that it really popped off, 90 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: which allowed the Bachelor to then do the Bachelorette, which 91 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: is then a woman having a bunch of men compete 92 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: for her love, which then led to Bachelor Pad, which 93 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: was all these kind of cast offs from the season 94 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: from the multiple seasons over the years being put into 95 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: a house where they actually at the time had to compete. 96 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: There was a bit of a game gamified process to 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: it to uh somewhat big brother ish to like vote 98 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: each other out. And also at the same time Fine 99 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Love that got canceled because one guy figured out, one 100 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: guy who's been on this franchise like seven times, Chris, 101 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: he found a way to gamify the game in a 102 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: weird like he broke the game and they the show 103 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: got canceled, which then came around to elon Gail if 104 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: any reality TV fans who know ep Elon Gail you 105 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: will know because he has recently created the show f 106 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: Boy Island. Um, genius concept. A bunch of guys don't 107 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: want to be in a relationship on a dating show. 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: You guys don't even know. There wasn't that actually a 109 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: guess a joke show on like thirty Talk or something. 110 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: But there was something eerily eerily similar to that that 111 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: was a parody. I mean, he's can't make this stuff up. 112 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: But yeah. So, actually, Fboy Island hosted by our one 113 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: of our sister shows, Nikki Glazer show Nicki Lazer podcast 114 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: she hosts, so it's pretty great. It's great to see 115 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: her on there killing it. So Elon Gale was originally 116 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: a Bachelor producer who went on to create Bachelor in Paradise. 117 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: So Bachelor in Paradise is they take all these cast offs, 118 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: the most popular casts. Also, the show put them on 119 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: a beach in Mexico and basically have them fall in 120 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: love with each other. And um, it's actually more, in 121 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: my opinion, like a better format than like Bachelor and 122 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Bachelorette because instead of everyone competing for one person, there's 123 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: actually you can actually find love because you're meeting all 124 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: these different people, and it's almost like a singles island, 125 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, like you're at Sandals, you know, a single 126 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Sandals sort of vacation, and you get to meet all 127 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: these other of course, all hot people, because you know, 128 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: we all have a problem in this country with showing 129 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: anyone who's not like a six pack, you know, wearing 130 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: god um. And so then they all compete to fall 131 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: in love. And so that's kind of the through line 132 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: of all the franchises right now. And yeah, of course 133 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: Elon Gel eventually left a bachelor and started working. He 134 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: was such a notorious sort of reality TV producer he 135 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: was able to spin that off into his own shows now, 136 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: such as f Boy Island, which if you've never seen 137 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: f Boy Island, I recommendat. I've got some exes who 138 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: think I've lived it. Actually. Yeah, just for the record, 139 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: it was Milf Island that was on thirty Rock into 140 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: Predicting the Future. I would watch Milf Island. I would that. Yeah, 141 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: I speaking with things other things that people seem consumed 142 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: with watching. We would be remiss if we didn't, uh, 143 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: if we didn't ask you a little bit about the 144 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: Real house Wives and fully ridiculous historians. Ana is not 145 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: blowing smoke when she says she will instantly add a 146 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: book about the history of reality television to her cart on. 147 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: I want to thank you on air for hipping me 148 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: to Not All Diamonds and Rose, the inside story of 149 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: the Real Housewives from the people who live it. I 150 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: had no idea this book existed, but I guess it 151 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: makes sense. Real Housewives is different. I guess because it's 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: not ostensibly a competition, right, even though the principles and 153 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: the characters in there seemed to compete at various different times. 154 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah, it's more of like a social 155 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: competition who's the richest and who is going to kind 156 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: of be the center diamond, if you will, which that 157 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: conceptually might be a little over everyone's head. But Not 158 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: All Diamonds and Rose, written by Dave Quinn, is a book. 159 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: Where are They interview Andy Cohen, the EP of all 160 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: these shows and kind of Bravo mastermind and Scott Dunlop, 161 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: the original creator producer of Real Housewives of Orange County, 162 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: which is the first Real Housewives franchise to make it 163 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: on air, And this was interesting and I kind of 164 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: I gave you guys this info where, according to the book, 165 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: the producer Scott Dunlop moved from l A to Orange 166 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: County to this like basically very rich neighborhood. It's called 167 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: Codo the Kaza. I don't know, I've never heard of. 168 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: It's it's too rich for my ears, and so basically 169 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: moved there in the eighties and he became very fascinated 170 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: with with this like rich white woman archetype, which no, 171 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: you were saying before the recording the tennis bitches. Who 172 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: are these women who so conceptually it means like women 173 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: whose husbands are very rich in work, and these women 174 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: stay home and basically live lives of leisure. So throughout 175 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: their day they have to kind of not to like 176 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: die of boredom plan sort of you know, excursions with 177 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: other really rich women, and that includes playing tennis. And 178 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is also dressing up 179 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: to play tennis, because you know, tennis aesthetic is very hot, 180 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they've got their kids who are like, 181 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of these other fascinating characters because 182 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: they're just like kids of rich people. So there's a 183 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: sense of like disconnect because they were either raised by 184 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: a nanny or like, you know, they just are on 185 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: their own path. There's less sort of supervision because why 186 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: would you pay attention to your kid when you can 187 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: just give them money and be like, go away, don't 188 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: get in trouble, don't hurt the family reputation. To that end, 189 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: I was also not familiar with the concept of boomerang kids. 190 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: But you're kind of describing them. They're they're they're basically 191 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: like kids that move back in or never leave home, 192 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and that's super common and these kind of compounds. You know, 193 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: they don't need to get jobs because there's trust funds 194 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: um some of them following their parents footsteps and run 195 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: the company. But like, even so, they're still like deeply 196 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: connected to or family and the family money. So our guys, 197 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Scott is in this uh, this place called Caza and 198 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: he encounters what did you call them, archetypes, right, architects, 199 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: and you would you would indicated to me on fair 200 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: that he this guy originally didn't even think of this 201 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: as a reality show. No, but he just it was 202 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: just like all these characters of people to be like, huh, 203 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, actually it did in the book is as 204 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: it reminded him of an American family that PPS Talk series, 205 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: which was about you know, somewhat upper middle class people. 206 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: So you're kind of seeing this like world of like 207 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: exclusivity that you're not really able to get into. But 208 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: it's like really fascinating to watch from the sidelines to 209 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: be like what are their lives like? And that's kind 210 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: of what led him to create you know, like a 211 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: pilot basically surrounding one certain they call her a bitchy 212 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: tennis wife, Kimberly bryant Um. Who what they they really like? 213 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: And you know what, this is like an incredible thing 214 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: because a lot of these women don't need a lot 215 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: of direction. Like a lot of these people have lived 216 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: in such privilege, in these like bubbles of wealth that 217 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: they are not self aware. So they will do and 218 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: say things that you're like, did you really just say that? 219 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: Like you're so like you're so out of touch. But 220 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: to them that doesn't matter because you calling a rich 221 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: person out of touch? What does that mean to them? Okay, 222 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: well I'm gonna go on about my life, you know, 223 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: like sure I'm out of touch, but like what do 224 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: I need to be in touch with? I'm comfortable, I'm lucky. 225 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: I don't need to actually be in touch to survive. 226 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: You can like talk about me, but like it actually 227 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: does you know, literally, like it's just words at this point, 228 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: and that's the whole. They can't be affected. Yeah, the 229 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: more out of touch and bubbled up they are, the 230 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: better it is for the outside world watching from the 231 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: other side of the bubble, right, Yeah. Yeah, And there 232 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: was also this kind of one of the things I 233 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: think Scott realized was with our obsessions, which shows like 234 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives and the o C, you had this you 235 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: could literally create this intersection of our fascination with drama, 236 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: wealth and real people's problems, you know. So that's kind 237 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: of like where the Real Housewives of Orange County stemmed from. 238 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: And it's it's all very it's interesting bread and circuses. 239 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: It makes me think of sometimes, you know, the dawn 240 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: of reality television seems to be a very US based 241 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: thing right from from the offset, but if you look 242 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: at the expansion, you see it's not just across formats, 243 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: it's across other countries. Like I didn't know this before 244 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: the Got Talent franchise started in the United Kingdom. But 245 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: of course when you think of God Talent, you think 246 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: of America's got talent, and I still don't know whether 247 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: that is meant to be a sincere or satirical statement, 248 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: because they do not hesitate from showing some train crashes 249 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: on that one. I also was surprised to find every 250 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: like at this point, I am convinced, and I'll need 251 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,119 Speaker 1: your help to see if this is correct. I'm convinced 252 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: that past a certain threshold of success, the goal for 253 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: almost any reality show franchise is to expand to other countries. 254 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that or am I like exaggerating here? Yeah? 255 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: I think so. And you know, with the Bachelor franchises, 256 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: I've watched Australia's, I've watched UK's, I've watched Japan's, I've 257 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: watched New Zealand's. Because I don't stop just that America. Um, 258 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: and I would almost say, like these other franchise franchises 259 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: in a way, I have almost nailed the formats almost 260 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: better than American. So it's it's an interesting thing where 261 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: like they wanted to expand, but you kind of get 262 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: the feeling that they're like these fine so are more popular. 263 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: So I think it's still like they want to sell. 264 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: The thing is it's all about making money. If you 265 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: can sell the rights to a franchise to a different country, 266 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: that's you know, more money in your pocket. But at 267 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: the same time, there's a selfishness of wanting to be 268 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: the one who did it best, so right, and they'll 269 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: they'll they'll tweak it just enough to make it work 270 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: for that audience. You know, there's some cultural things that 271 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: might fly under the radar, you know for people in 272 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: different country based on the way we do it here, 273 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: but the people that are making and adapting it for 274 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: other countries, they know exactly what their audience is. They'll 275 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: take the you know, the broad strokes of it and 276 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: like you said, just do a laser focused adaptation of it. 277 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: And then when we watch it, it almost seems more 278 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: novel because this is something that we're not fully used to. 279 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: I will say, if you guys ever want to dabble 280 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: in any international bachelor Bachelor atte franchises, Australia is the 281 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: way to go. Australian. Australian version of that franchise is 282 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: incredible television. I am going I'm going to watch it 283 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: then because it's a recommendation from you. Uh, they're like, 284 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: there are Okay, there's so many other things that happen 285 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: in other countries. When these franchises are spun off and 286 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: they become they nail a format. As you said, they 287 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: end up speaking in their own voice. I found some uh, 288 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: some like pop culture research on which country's version of 289 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: insert show here is the one you should watch? Is 290 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the mole better in the US or is better in 291 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: the Netherlands. The answer, by the way, appears to be 292 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the Netherlands. But but we've got to look at there's 293 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: this awesome article written by Elise Zazowski who talks about 294 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: the the history of US peculiar British reality show asque thing, 295 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: which is their their comedy panel shows. They're not the origins, 296 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: not British, but I've always been fascinated by these because 297 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: it's they take, you know, like the snarkiest comedians and 298 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: the snarkiest comics of the day and they put him 299 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: in this absolutely fake game show thing where they're just 300 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 1: like firing barbs and going on little diet tribes and 301 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: then the host arbitrarily gives them a cartoonist number of 302 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: very many or very few points. This is something that 303 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if the US is gonna nail. We 304 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: have stuff like wait, wait, don't tell me on MPR 305 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: whose line is it anyway? But the last thing I 306 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: want to shout out and get your opinion on on 307 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: as our resident expert Japan game shows, reality shows? What's 308 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: up with that? Why? Why do they seem so singular, 309 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: so so different? And I'll be honest, so incredibly compelling. 310 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm hypnotized. Yeah. So, one of the sort of bigger 311 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: shows from Japan which has broken through the sort of 312 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: American you know zeitgeist, uh is Terrace House. And I 313 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have ever heard of Terrace House, 314 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: but it's similar to the real world formula in the 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: sense that they take like six, six or eight strangers 316 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: and put them in a house together and they have 317 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: to kind of like build their friendships. And it's not 318 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: explicitly a dating show, but like you know it, you know, 319 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: people start to like each other and that leads to 320 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: interactions and differences, and the show is shot fly on 321 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: the wall, so you're literally you don't like see it 322 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be like where on The Bachelor if someone storms out, 323 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: a camera follows them. It's more literally like there's cameras 324 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: around the house and we watch them like Big Brother style, 325 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: and then yeah, and we get into all sorts of 326 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: things going on in their lives. And then if one 327 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: of the housemates decides to leave the show, a new 328 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: person who is of the same identifying gender comes in 329 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: to take over that person's role. And then they have 330 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: a group of studios sort of like menitators on the 331 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: whole time that they like cut two and these are 332 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: sort of like comedians of I'm assuming they're Japanese comedians. 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: Of course I'm not always familiar with these Japanese comedians, 334 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: but that they come in and they like talk in 335 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: the background about these people, and it's like this very funny, 336 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: sort of like juxtaposition of these people just living their 337 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: normal lives, and then you have these like commentators being like, oh, 338 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: that's awkward. You know. It's like this really sort of 339 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: silly show that has really grown in popularity in America 340 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: also because they put it on Netflix, so uh, there 341 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: it is. I I love. I don't know how people 342 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: get into the cooking competition shows. Nul you're a fan 343 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: of Great British Bake Off my heart My heart belongs 344 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: to the original Japanese Iron Chef as well. I started 345 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: rewatching that recently and I realized they got me When 346 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: I was a kid, I thought the chairman was like 347 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: a old guy and he was just obsessed with his 348 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: kitchen competitions. But that show holds up would you would 349 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: you guys say that qualifies as a reality show or 350 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: is that stretching the limits too much? It's I mean 351 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: it's about the personality. Is for sure that there is 352 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a competition to it, But I don't see how it's 353 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: any different than you know, there are relationships. I don't 354 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: see how it's that much different than a bachelor, uh scenario, 355 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: because it really is you know, the same testimonials and 356 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. What do you think? Yeah, 357 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: I mean cooking shows now because they're you know, like 358 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: and I'm going off like Top Chef, Like these characters 359 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: become very real to us. So like now it's like, 360 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: oh the chef I follow, you know, like I am 361 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: interested in his life and what he's doing. So there 362 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: is a reality show aspect to it, but I think 363 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: it follows under reality competition show because you know, they're 364 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: literally competing to be named like the Top Chef or 365 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: even like the Iron Chef if you will. Um. But 366 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: they do, like you see, It's not as much, but 367 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: you do see the tensions rising, and you do see 368 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: them commenting on each other, and you do get that 369 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: sort of like in the room energy, you know, and 370 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: you can feel it, and I think that kind of 371 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: adds to the reality of it, the reality television of 372 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: it all. Oh, we're about to get to one of 373 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: my favorite examples of this, which we could I think 374 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: we could rightly call extreme. So Japan runs the game, 375 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: it runs the game show game. Uh, one of the 376 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: things that really sticks out to a lot of people. 377 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, I think we can we 378 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: can unanimously recommend checking out a program called sun Suno 379 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Dempa Shonen. Again not native Japanese speakers, but you'll be 380 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: able to find it as you as you in you. 381 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: This show made its made its bones, made its name 382 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: by putting people through horrible situations for the entertainment of 383 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: the viewing audience. Brutal stuff. Sometimes. One of the most famous, 384 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: the one that hipped me to it at first is, 385 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: like you said, they use comics a lot in this 386 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: programming reality TV. You'll do that too to a degree. 387 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Here in the US, there's this guy wants to be 388 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: a breakout comic known as Nasubi, and the sub signs 389 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: up for this thing, but he doesn't really know what 390 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: he's signing up for. He gets placed in an apartment, 391 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: no food, no clothing or minimal food and no clothing. 392 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: He has no contact with the outside world except through 393 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: subscriptions to various magazines, and he has to use the 394 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: magazines to win sweep steaks in order to get the 395 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: normal stuff you need for life, like food, water, snacks, clothing. 396 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: And the deal was if he wins enough, if he 397 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: wins like fast, a certain threshold, he has set free 398 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: from his apartment. I don't want to. I don't know. 399 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: Is it okay if we spoil this? This came out 400 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: a while ago, the big twist, I think, so okay? 401 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: Well spoiler alert three to one. He thinks he's getting 402 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: set free and then he gets forced to continue playing 403 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: the game in just a new location. He doesn't know that. 404 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: He knows he's being filmed, but he thinks it's going 405 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: to be edited. He doesn't know what's being live streamed 406 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: to the entire nation of Japan? Is that legal? Like? 407 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: How how far you guys have to say? It reminds 408 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: me of that. What's it called. It's like a it's 409 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: like an extreme haunted house mckami manner. I think it's 410 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: what it's called where you sign a waiver and basically 411 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: like give these people permission to kidnap you, throw you 412 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: in a trunk and you know, black bag you and 413 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: then torture you, uh, sensory deprivation, cover you with spiders, sewage, 414 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: all kind of a terrible person, awful and apparently he 415 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: is live streaming that as well. Um so, no, no question, 416 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: there is a documentary about it. But that level of 417 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: extreme quote unquote entertainment I think always super sketchy. I mean, 418 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, we we we've seen it in American television 419 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: with things like Fear Factor, Naked and Afraid, maybe Survivor, 420 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: but again that's all big budget productions with a lot 421 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: of oversight and you know, unions and stuff. I mean, 422 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: this feels like it's a lot more under the radar 423 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: and potentially dangerous than than those. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. 424 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean, always read your contract, don't just sign anything 425 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: without realizing what you're getting into. Because there is a 426 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: sickness in this country, in a fascination with watching people 427 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: suffer and look I may have. You know, if I 428 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: had been in Japan and aware of that show, maybe 429 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: I would have tuned in. But like, I don't love 430 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: it conceptually because it just feels like some sort of 431 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: it feels like a movie we've seen, like a song. 432 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: You know, You're like, it might not be literal torture 433 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: where you're trying to fight for your life, but he 434 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: is fighting for his life. He's fighting for his say entity, 435 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: You're basically in solitary confinement. They put people in solitary 436 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: confinement in prison for like acts, you know, for punishment, 437 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: and so it's like, what where is the joy that 438 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: we're like, I look, I'm talking to that doll, and 439 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: then after a while, you, yeah, now I'm just watching 440 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: a man be tortured. He was taken to South Korea, 441 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: by the way, that's that second twist. He later went 442 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: on to the world of variety television, and unfortunately, like 443 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: so many people who attempt to be reality television stars, 444 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: his career petered out or didn't get to where he 445 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: wanted it to go. He ended up being a well 446 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: known local comic in his native his native area which 447 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: was Fukushima, and then he was also a dramatic stage actor. 448 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: This guy just had a really tough time he did. 449 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: I saw a report where he said he remains, in 450 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: his words, grateful for the overall experience, and then he 451 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: assures people that he the producers apologized to him later. 452 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I try to be a 453 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: forgiving person. But if all of us, by the way, 454 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, folks, we are actual friends, um on 455 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: a NOL and Max and and yours truly, but if 456 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: you guys like told me I had to guest on 457 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: a podcast and then I woke up locked in an 458 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: apartment for more than a year, I would I don't 459 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: know if an apology would cut it. You'd have to 460 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: at least take me to David Busters or something that's 461 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, Old Boy, And that's the plot of Old Boy. Basically. 462 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: There's a really good segment on This Gentleman named the SUBI, 463 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: produced by NPR producer Stephanie Food, that appeared on This 464 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: uh This American Life called Human Spectacle or on the 465 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: episode of a Human Spectacle episode five twenty nine. You 466 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: can stream it on their website. Uh full name Ahmatsu 467 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: Tomaki uh nasubi means eggplant, so that's like his stage 468 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: name that he goes through but I am the egg plant. 469 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: There you go. The idea about legality is my ulterior 470 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: motive for this is not just to exercise empathy and 471 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: humanity for people in terrible situations, but also to ask 472 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: about the future of reality television. It's not going away. 473 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: It's often cheaper to produce than scripted and you know, 474 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: say the quiet part out loud, things like writers strikes 475 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: incentivized studios to do these things and cut some corners 476 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: in the budget. But on a what do you think 477 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: the reality the future of reality television looks like? Are 478 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: there trends we can point to? Is it still sort 479 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: of anything can happen? Yeah, I mean I think it's 480 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: just gonna get because there's so much out there already. 481 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: It's just going to get more and more sort of 482 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: wild and weird. Uh, sort of like how f boy 483 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Island exists. It's like, okay, we already have a twist 484 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: on everyone competes for one person. Okay, well, let's have 485 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys who don't want to be 486 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: in relationships compete for people. You know, It's like it's 487 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: it's just gonna get stranger or even like the one 488 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: where it's like is it a cake? And that's a 489 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: phenomenon that came from social media. That was the whole 490 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: thing where you would watch these videos where people be like, oh, shoe, 491 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: and then they would cut into it and it's a cake. 492 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: And they would just be constant videos of like these 493 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: items that turned out to be cake. And they turned 494 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: it into a reality competition show and you see you 495 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: see that on the surface, you know, like this is absurd, 496 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: But that show got renewed for a second season, so 497 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's very very popular. So I think 498 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: we have a lot more sort of um innovative and 499 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: yet absurd shows coming our way like that, because they 500 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: have to keep heightening and at the same time keeping 501 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, our interests because but how do they do 502 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: that without venturing into these kind of extreme nihilistic waters 503 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, like with this uh, this this 504 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: fellow in Japan. Well, I mean that's the one good 505 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: thing is now there's a lot more sort of social 506 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: accountability for stuff like that. So if something is like 507 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I mean like even like the Bachelor Bachelorette, like they 508 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: get a lot of heat when very clearly misogynistic or 509 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: clear abuse is happening of the contestants by the producers, 510 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: like they they know what everyone's saying, every you know, 511 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: every everything. I could tweet at Mike Flys right now, 512 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I can tell Mike Flies, hey man, 513 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: don't do that, and he's you know, like him or 514 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: his assistance. Like people see these things and they report back, 515 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: and that's why Mike Flies is notorious for tweeting stuff 516 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: of fout like don't worry, we will not allow this 517 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: sort of dark thing to happen. And you're like, why 518 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: is you know, like they all like, you know, it's 519 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily true, but they're hyper aware of how people 520 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: are perceiving them, which is why you then see literally 521 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: such almost like literally like mentally just softening sort of 522 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: shows like is it cake? Like it's such a basic 523 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: comp you know, concept of us just being like is 524 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: it a kike? There's nothing threatening about it. There's nothing 525 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: even remotely dark about It's just people trying to guess 526 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: if an object is a cake. And that is so 527 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: like that's the kind of stuff we're seeing because that's 528 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: they're hyper aware that people are going to call them 529 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: and call them out option right, that would be that 530 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: means like you you're in the you're in the brainstormy meeting, 531 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: and you're looking at the options that are least likely 532 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: to create a firestorm on Twitter or two. I mean, 533 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I like that, but I also want to point out 534 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: the the idea of the idea of this my guy 535 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: going proactively on social media and saying, don't worry, We're 536 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: not gonna let this dark thing happen. That's kind of 537 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: spooky too, because it makes me feel like the implication 538 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: there is there was somehow in the cards. It's like 539 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: if you go to a store and there's a sign 540 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: that says no shirt, no shoes, no service, and then 541 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: below that there's a line that says, you know, also 542 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: no explosives in children or something, then you're like, how 543 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: did that make it on the sign? Why are you 544 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: proactively telling me not to do that? Understood? Yeah, that 545 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: was an assumption I made. You should never assume because 546 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: there's years of evidence on television of them clearly doing 547 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: stuff that screwed over people. So that's kind of where 548 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, I actually have like hours and hours 549 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: of evidence that you guys don't have the leads best 550 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: interest in mind. Do the people who are victimized by this. 551 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: Do they have any recourse or have they you know, 552 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: has there been any legal action that someone is one 553 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, there's no legal action, but 554 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: they can always. The thing is, like, why do you 555 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: need legal action when you have the like court of 556 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: public opinion, So you could just go like one cast 557 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: or one bachelor went on This American Life and talked 558 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: about his experience and he basically was like blacklisted from 559 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: the production, but like he got his story out there. 560 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: So like you don't even need to get a legal 561 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: team together because now you can just write a book 562 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: or go on social media or go on like a podcast, 563 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: or go on you know, like anything and talk about 564 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: your experience and then all of a sudden you have 565 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: like all these people turn on you and be like, 566 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: see he was tortured or not tortured, but you know 567 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: he was you know, messed with and made to feel 568 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: a certain way and his mental health suffered because of it, 569 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: and the court of public opinion. I think we all 570 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: now it's tough. I think the lesson here is just 571 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: stick with cakes, you know, like the wonderful Nicole Buyer's nailed. 572 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, that's so good. It's just like everyone on 573 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: there knows they're not good at making cakes, and and 574 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: we just get to watch them make cakes poorly or 575 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, at varying degrees of of of competence, and 576 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: even when they do it just like barely passibly, it's like, 577 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: good job. But they're poking fun at themselves and they 578 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: know exactly why they're on there, and no one's really 579 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, disparaged or made to feel stupid, because that's 580 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: the whole deal. And they know what it is walking 581 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: in or even that show, Um, what was it, Flora's Lava. 582 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: It's the concept of your own childhood of trying not 583 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: to touch the floor and you're just jumping like furniture 584 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: to furniture. That's all Flora's Lava. You just are trying 585 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: not to touch the floor. And it's genuinely just the 586 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: most nostalgic and like simple concept you can have on 587 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: a show, and people love it. I will say, though, 588 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: there is kind of the other sort of you know, 589 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: we're obviously like left leaning people, but like there is 590 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: the more right leaning side, which is the show Snowflake Island. 591 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: I believe it's called where it is on Netflix. Let 592 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: me confirm it's called Snowflake Island, and I didn't just 593 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 1: call it, it's snow Snowflake Mountain. Excuse me, of course, Sorry, 594 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: I watched too many like Love Island, Temptation Island. I think, 595 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: now everything's an island, but it's it's Snowflake Mountain where 596 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: they have all these people, you know, more progressive or 597 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: left leaning or just like not conservative people come on 598 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: this show and you have like military men basically take 599 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: all their belongings and then you know, for the most part, 600 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: verbally and physically make them do tasks that are pretty 601 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, useless, because if you are 602 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: the type of person who's never going to go camping, 603 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: like what is this, like, what are you having to 604 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: survive outdoors? Have to do with anything? You know? Like 605 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: to me, I'm kind of like the oh, you took 606 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: the city folk out into the mountain and then also 607 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: conveniently all the city folks are people of color, and 608 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: then you have all these like white military men like 609 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: yelling at them like there is clearly an underlying of 610 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: like you know, like right wing nonsense here, whereas like 611 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: you should never treat someone like that, and yet here 612 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: we are being like, look, at these snowflakes, which is 613 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: a known term that the right use to describe people 614 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: from the left or just liberals or the Democrats who 615 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: just like ask for basic human rights and they're like, snowflake, 616 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: he can't handle it. And you're like, okay, now you 617 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: just called a rally show snowflake Mountain. Then we can 618 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: kind of see what's going on. I will say it 619 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: does have the coveted zero percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes, 620 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, which is objectively kind of hard to get. Uh, 621 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: you get that many people to agree. So this is 622 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: where we see the trends continuing in the future. We 623 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: we knew there was a lot of stuff we weren't 624 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: going to be able to get to. We're all very 625 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: excited about this episode, so much so in fact, that 626 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: this has officially become a two parter. 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We 651 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: just talked about all the different shows that we are enjoying. 652 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes we gonna talk about narrative shows that we're watching 653 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: because we love shows that are truly weird like the 654 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: offer on Paramount Plus. Can you believe they put that 655 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: show out? Anyway, everyone's doing very interesting accent work. We 656 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: talked about it and uh yeah, that's where you can 657 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: find me, and you can find Ben and I as 658 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: human people as well on the internet. Uh I am 659 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: at how now? Noel Brown on Instagram and I lark 660 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Abou don't really don't really tweet, but Ben 661 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: does both of those things, the instagrams and tweets. Oh well, yeah, 662 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: the rumors are true. So you can find me in 663 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: a burst of creativity calling myself at ben Bowling bow 664 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: l I in on Instagram. You can get a behind 665 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: the scenes look at my misadventures, some of which work 666 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: out to be genuine adventures, as well as further research. 667 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing them at ben Bowling hs W on Twitter. 668 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: Where's the HSW come from? If you know? You know, 669 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: thanks for being old school there and one of the 670 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: big values that people get from Twitter. One of the 671 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: reasons La Musk was trying to buy it once upon 672 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 1: a time is because Twitter is where you can find 673 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: our producer, Mr Max Williams. Yes, you can find me 674 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter at at l Underscore Max Williams in the meantime, 675 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: huge thanks to Alex Williams, brother to Max Williams, who 676 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: composed our theme. Also thanks to you again Max for 677 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: being the best super producer on the block, uh and 678 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: the star of the show. Thanks to who else bad? 679 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: We else we want to thank, We want to thank 680 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: christ Frostios here in spirit. Well yeah, thanks to you know, 681 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: uh and thanks to you know. Let's just start thanking people. Um, 682 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: thanks thanks to most most of this is yeah, let's 683 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: just say yeah. Thanks bad Frederick. Thanks to Eve's Jeff Cote, 684 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: the one and only. I think we think we call 685 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: it today. I mean, why would we think Casey pegrum um, 686 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: why don't yeah producer of Jonathan Strictly a k The Blister. 687 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: I think I think it was done enough. We'll see 688 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: you next time, folks. 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