Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and
Speaker 1: there's Chuck. And I said hello with a silent h
Speaker 1: at the end, which means I just said something in palindrome.
Speaker 1: I love palindromes, as it turns out, Yeah, I do too,
Speaker 1: and I think it's fat. The one that gets me
Speaker 1: is when somebody's like, this number is a palindrome. I
Speaker 1: just wrote it out. I don't get that, like that
Speaker 1: doesn't count. Maybe if it's a date or something that
Speaker 1: you don't have any control over, then yeah, be a palindrome.
Speaker 1: But just anybody who's into numbers that are palindromes, be quiet,
Speaker 1: Be quiet, once and for all. Yeah, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said that, because this article, even from how stuff works
Speaker 1: dot com, says some numbers are palindromes, like one eight
Speaker 1: zero zero eight one right, like that, I just wrote
Speaker 1: out any number exactly. That's how we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: not going to give another breath to that stupidness. Instead,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about real palindromes, which is a word,
Speaker 1: a phrase, a poem. Even as we'll see um that
Speaker 1: can be said the same forwards or backwards. And apparently
Speaker 1: it comes from a little bit of Greek who like
Speaker 1: the palindromes. Yes, the word palin means back or again,
Speaker 1: and dromos means running or moving, so it's a word
Speaker 1: or phrase that's running back on itself. And I'm even
Speaker 1: gonna go so far for me as to say I
Speaker 1: only like palindromes that are literal, the letters backwards and forwards,
Speaker 1: like they make the case in here, like some phrases
Speaker 1: like night after night. I'm like, now, well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that in a second. Okay, okay, I prefer that
Speaker 1: as well. I like the I like the the letters
Speaker 1: back and forth, and that's that. But I will say
Speaker 1: my eyes were open to that by this article. Fair enough,
Speaker 1: So the first palindrome, like I said, the Greeks liked it. Actually,
Speaker 1: it turns out the Romans did. But the Romans model
Speaker 1: a lot of their society, if not all of it,
Speaker 1: on the ancient Greeks, so it's possible they ripped them off,
Speaker 1: and that the Romans just happened to be the first
Speaker 1: ones to mention it. But the first palindrome comes from
Speaker 1: seventy c. E Um and it's in Latin. Chuck, do
Speaker 1: you want to take a crack at it? Storrepo tenant
Speaker 1: opera rotas, you just turned me into a tree. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what it's saying in Latin,
Speaker 1: like we Americans say all Latin, like we're in a
Speaker 1: Harry Potter movie. Yeah, like Evil Dead Klatto verata, that's
Speaker 1: a Day to the Earth. It's still, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: It's the Evil Dead, my friend. Then they stole it
Speaker 1: from the Day of the Earth, said still, because that
Speaker 1: is the I don't even remember what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's from the Day of the Earth's still, I promise. Well,
Speaker 1: then they ganked it in Evil Dead, which is better.
Speaker 1: I think it was more in homage probably, Okay, but
Speaker 1: to hear it come out of Bruce Campbell's mouth, is
Speaker 1: that's the money shot. I mean, they really went off
Speaker 1: the rails on those movies. Yeah, they're making another one,
Speaker 1: I think when I don't know, like a Bruce Campbell one,
Speaker 1: like a sequel to Army of Dark's Boy, that's going
Speaker 1: to be great. You can't wait. Okay, So what did
Speaker 1: that um? That palindrome you said mean it means the
Speaker 1: sower Rabo holds the wheel with effort, or the sower
Speaker 1: Arabo leads with his hands with his hand the plow.
Speaker 1: Nothing that matters at all to any of us alive today.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure back in the day the Romans were
Speaker 1: like that is everyone really spoke to me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it goes to show that, like
Speaker 1: word play has been around for almost as long as words.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah and chuck, um, it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: ancient Romans who were into it, that that love of
Speaker 1: it has survived. And I say we pick up with
Speaker 1: the modern day after taking a short break. What do
Speaker 1: you think let's do it? Okay, all right, we're back
Speaker 1: by modern day of course, I mean the sixteen thirties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first mention of palindromes in English is in Camden's
Speaker 1: Remains by John philipot from six. Palindrums are those where
Speaker 1: the syllables are same backward and forward. So all blatta
Speaker 1: at alba see new me in mounis very nice, which
Speaker 1: means secluded but pure. Give me my fee and I
Speaker 1: warrant you free, okay, which is great that you have
Speaker 1: a palindrome that also rhymes, because that's not necessarily part
Speaker 1: and parcel with it. Um. Philip HoTT was just showing off.
Speaker 1: But you'll note that he's an English speaker and he
Speaker 1: wrote an English speaking book, Camden's Remains, but it was
Speaker 1: still in Latin, hence the whole clattoo verada tone to
Speaker 1: Chuck's reading of it. It's not until seventeen o six
Speaker 1: that we find the first written English palindrome in an
Speaker 1: English dictionary called the New World of Words or Universal
Speaker 1: English Dictionary. And this is as follows, lewd did I live?
Speaker 1: And evil did I dwell? Yeah, there's there's a couple
Speaker 1: of problems with it. One, they had to drop off
Speaker 1: the second l and dwell to make it the reverse
Speaker 1: of lud. And then there's also the whole and in
Speaker 1: the middle of it, which does not part of a palindrome.
Speaker 1: It's not a palindrome itself, and it kind of screws
Speaker 1: up the whole palindrome. But because it was the beginning
Speaker 1: of the eighteenth century, everybody kind of chose to overlook
Speaker 1: the and part. That's right. Uh, then we can skip
Speaker 1: the part about numbers being palindromes because that's just rage inducing. Well, no,
Speaker 1: the date makes sense, so one is a palindrome. January
Speaker 1: was a palindrome day fourth mentioning you know, we'll take that,
Speaker 1: but give me your eye opening with the thing like
Speaker 1: night after night, which just sort of makes me mad too.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a really neat poem that I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard of until um I ran across it in
Speaker 1: this article by James A. Linden called Doppelganger, and it
Speaker 1: is itself a palindrome like where you can actually um
Speaker 1: read it from. You could go to the very end
Speaker 1: and read it, or you can go to the beginning
Speaker 1: to read it, and it's going to be the same.
Speaker 1: So you don't read the actual words, but like the
Speaker 1: word itself backwards, but you read the order of the
Speaker 1: words backwards and forwards, and the whole thing hinges on.
Speaker 1: Um the phrase night after night, which is pretty a
Speaker 1: pretty awesome poem to tell you the truth. Let me
Speaker 1: just read you the middle part where it hinges, and
Speaker 1: I think you'll be properly blown away. Okay. I puzzled
Speaker 1: over it, hiding alone, watching the woman as she neared
Speaker 1: the gate. He came and I saw him crouching, night
Speaker 1: after night. Night after night he came, and I saw
Speaker 1: him crouching, watching the woman as she neared the gate.
Speaker 1: I puzzled over it, hiding alone, and it's just like
Speaker 1: the poem starts out and then it gets to night
Speaker 1: after night and then goes back. It's like it's swings
Speaker 1: on a hinge. It's really neat. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it too. It's not one of your perfect, proper
Speaker 1: palin drums or anything, but it's still pretty cool. So
Speaker 1: here's my thing is, I started kind of diving into
Speaker 1: this online and found out that there a is a
Speaker 1: documentary called The Palindromists, which I didn't watch, but I
Speaker 1: did watch the trailer, which was fun enough and kind
Speaker 1: of gave me enough inside in two minutes. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a crew that Hodgeman would hang out with, probably
Speaker 1: so um. But it covered in part the Palindrome Championships,
Speaker 1: which is basically where they get palindrome enthusiast together at
Speaker 1: a hotel ballroom and they say, you've got nine. They
Speaker 1: have three constraints. They didn't mention the constraints in the trailer. Uh,
Speaker 1: you have ninety minutes to write out original palindromes and
Speaker 1: then the audience alive audience votes and weird Owl is
Speaker 1: in it. He's a palindromist. Um. Uh. Danika mckeller Winnie
Speaker 1: from one of years is one. You know she wrote
Speaker 1: like a science or no, a math book. Well do
Speaker 1: you know what? She also wrote? What tons of UFO snot?
Speaker 1: What is that? It's a palindrome? Oh that's a good one. Okay,
Speaker 1: weird al wrote this one Suzy rat in a sanitary zoo.
Speaker 1: That's so Dana wins so far. My deal with these
Speaker 1: is once I started kind of seeing this community is
Speaker 1: not only do I love a palindrome, but I like
Speaker 1: an original one that someone can invent that kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense and it's not just a collection of words
Speaker 1: like do geese? See god? Yeah, that makes sense? It does. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here was another one from the documentary Gerda Boston's i
Speaker 1: Q is not so bad? Reg h, that's a good one. Wow,
Speaker 1: who'ss that? Just a contestant? No one famous Lloyd Benson. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see how about um I got another one? Uh
Speaker 1: go deliver a dare vile dog. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, but it's pretty great. Well, and
Speaker 1: by makes sense. It just it's a sentence and not
Speaker 1: just a collection of words. What about don't nod it's perfect?
Speaker 1: Or taco cat the classic taco cat. Taco cats good
Speaker 1: or there's another one with the cat too. Was it
Speaker 1: a car or a cat? I saw, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I've got another one from that trailer. Mr owl ate my,
Speaker 1: it'll worm. Okay, what else? And then go hang a salami?
Speaker 1: I'm a lasagna hog. Who's this? That? That was a
Speaker 1: guy named John A g Um but just the sheer joy.
Speaker 1: These these are sort of like um uh crossword puzzle enthusiasts,
Speaker 1: like just people who really get into words. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get enough of it. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and find the whole documentary. UM. I did see in
Speaker 1: February two two there was a computer scientist named Peter
Speaker 1: Norvig who used a computer program to break the record
Speaker 1: for the quote longest Balandrume sentence, which was seventeen thousand
Speaker 1: plus words. It's just a computer program putting together a
Speaker 1: bunch of words. Oh yeah, that doesn't count. And I see,
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, that's but they said that he's the
Speaker 1: world record holder. And I was like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: maybe in the future, but you know, John A. G
Speaker 1: By the way, is um children's book author a beloved
Speaker 1: one according to the Penguin Random House website. Very cool.
Speaker 1: I also found. The longest word is a Finnish palindrome,
Speaker 1: which has I think nineteen letters. S ai you well,
Speaker 1: I can't say it. Uh sapua kibikw ps. You just
Speaker 1: converted me back into a boy. It's a dealer in
Speaker 1: lie apparently, so okay, a lie seller, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: so okay. Um. One last thing. Um always talked about
Speaker 1: this guy that she dated that used to mess with people,
Speaker 1: and Um whenever palindromes came up, he'd said, yeah, my
Speaker 1: favorite one is Penis sniper and just wait for them
Speaker 1: to like go over in their head and they'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is not a palindrome, but you're sitting there thinking exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this last one was pretty funny to me
Speaker 1: just because it was well. Two of them, to me,
Speaker 1: are very funny because they're so basic. One is Stella
Speaker 1: won no wallets, m M. It's a big wallet competition.
Speaker 1: And then this guy's like clearly a citrus street vendor.
Speaker 1: No lemon, no melon. But I like that one too.
Speaker 1: It's um. The word melon itself has a nice round
Speaker 1: feeling to it. I love the word melon yeah, and
Speaker 1: lemon too, just because it's evocative of that beautiful color too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be my favorite one. Now. No lemon, no melon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I like how you say it as well. No lemon,
Speaker 1: no melon, that's right, only pineapple. So we could probably
Speaker 1: see here for the next two hours doing they should
Speaker 1: we just cut this short. Well, we'll stop recording and
Speaker 1: then you and I have just continue to do it
Speaker 1: on our right, all right, all right, Well to the
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