1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: there's Chuck. And I said hello with a silent h 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: at the end, which means I just said something in palindrome. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: I love palindromes, as it turns out, Yeah, I do too, 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: and I think it's fat. The one that gets me 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: is when somebody's like, this number is a palindrome. I 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: just wrote it out. I don't get that, like that 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: doesn't count. Maybe if it's a date or something that 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: you don't have any control over, then yeah, be a palindrome. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: But just anybody who's into numbers that are palindromes, be quiet, 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Be quiet, once and for all. Yeah, I'm glad you 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: said that, because this article, even from how stuff works 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: dot com, says some numbers are palindromes, like one eight 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: zero zero eight one right, like that, I just wrote 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: out any number exactly. That's how we're talking about. We're 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: not going to give another breath to that stupidness. Instead, 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about real palindromes, which is a word, 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: a phrase, a poem. Even as we'll see um that 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: can be said the same forwards or backwards. And apparently 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: it comes from a little bit of Greek who like 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: the palindromes. Yes, the word palin means back or again, 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: and dromos means running or moving, so it's a word 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: or phrase that's running back on itself. And I'm even 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna go so far for me as to say I 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: only like palindromes that are literal, the letters backwards and forwards, 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: like they make the case in here, like some phrases 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: like night after night. I'm like, now, well, we'll talk 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: about that in a second. Okay, okay, I prefer that 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: as well. I like the I like the the letters 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: back and forth, and that's that. But I will say 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: my eyes were open to that by this article. Fair enough, 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: So the first palindrome, like I said, the Greeks liked it. Actually, 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: it turns out the Romans did. But the Romans model 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: a lot of their society, if not all of it, 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: on the ancient Greeks, so it's possible they ripped them off, 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: and that the Romans just happened to be the first 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: ones to mention it. But the first palindrome comes from 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: seventy c. E Um and it's in Latin. Chuck, do 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: you want to take a crack at it? Storrepo tenant 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: opera rotas, you just turned me into a tree. It 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what it's saying in Latin, 42 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: like we Americans say all Latin, like we're in a 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Harry Potter movie. Yeah, like Evil Dead Klatto verata, that's 44 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: a Day to the Earth. It's still, Yes, it is. 45 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: It's the Evil Dead, my friend. Then they stole it 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: from the Day of the Earth, said still, because that 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: is the I don't even remember what it was. Yeah, 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that's from the Day of the Earth's still, I promise. Well, 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: then they ganked it in Evil Dead, which is better. 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: I think it was more in homage probably, Okay, but 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: to hear it come out of Bruce Campbell's mouth, is 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: that's the money shot. I mean, they really went off 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: the rails on those movies. Yeah, they're making another one, 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: I think when I don't know, like a Bruce Campbell one, 55 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: like a sequel to Army of Dark's Boy, that's going 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: to be great. You can't wait. Okay, So what did 57 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: that um? That palindrome you said mean it means the 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: sower Rabo holds the wheel with effort, or the sower 59 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Arabo leads with his hands with his hand the plow. 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Nothing that matters at all to any of us alive today. 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: But I'm sure back in the day the Romans were 62 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: like that is everyone really spoke to me, you know 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. But it goes to show that, like 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: word play has been around for almost as long as words. 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, yeah and chuck, um, it wasn't just the 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: ancient Romans who were into it, that that love of 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: it has survived. And I say we pick up with 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: the modern day after taking a short break. What do 69 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: you think let's do it? Okay, all right, we're back 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: by modern day of course, I mean the sixteen thirties. Yeah. 71 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: The first mention of palindromes in English is in Camden's 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: Remains by John philipot from six. Palindrums are those where 73 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the syllables are same backward and forward. So all blatta 74 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: at alba see new me in mounis very nice, which 75 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: means secluded but pure. Give me my fee and I 76 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: warrant you free, okay, which is great that you have 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: a palindrome that also rhymes, because that's not necessarily part 78 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: and parcel with it. Um. Philip HoTT was just showing off. 79 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: But you'll note that he's an English speaker and he 80 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: wrote an English speaking book, Camden's Remains, but it was 81 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: still in Latin, hence the whole clattoo verada tone to 82 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Chuck's reading of it. It's not until seventeen o six 83 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: that we find the first written English palindrome in an 84 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: English dictionary called the New World of Words or Universal 85 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: English Dictionary. And this is as follows, lewd did I live? 86 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: And evil did I dwell? Yeah, there's there's a couple 87 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: of problems with it. One, they had to drop off 88 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: the second l and dwell to make it the reverse 89 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: of lud. And then there's also the whole and in 90 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the middle of it, which does not part of a palindrome. 91 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: It's not a palindrome itself, and it kind of screws 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: up the whole palindrome. But because it was the beginning 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: of the eighteenth century, everybody kind of chose to overlook 94 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the and part. That's right. Uh, then we can skip 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the part about numbers being palindromes because that's just rage inducing. Well, no, 96 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: the date makes sense, so one is a palindrome. January 97 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: was a palindrome day fourth mentioning you know, we'll take that, 98 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: but give me your eye opening with the thing like 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: night after night, which just sort of makes me mad too. 100 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: So there's a there's a really neat poem that I 101 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: hadn't heard of until um I ran across it in 102 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: this article by James A. Linden called Doppelganger, and it 103 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: is itself a palindrome like where you can actually um 104 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: read it from. You could go to the very end 105 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: and read it, or you can go to the beginning 106 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: to read it, and it's going to be the same. 107 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: So you don't read the actual words, but like the 108 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: word itself backwards, but you read the order of the 109 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: words backwards and forwards, and the whole thing hinges on. 110 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: Um the phrase night after night, which is pretty a 111 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: pretty awesome poem to tell you the truth. Let me 112 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: just read you the middle part where it hinges, and 113 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: I think you'll be properly blown away. Okay. I puzzled 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: over it, hiding alone, watching the woman as she neared 115 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the gate. He came and I saw him crouching, night 116 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: after night. Night after night he came, and I saw 117 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: him crouching, watching the woman as she neared the gate. 118 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: I puzzled over it, hiding alone, and it's just like 119 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: the poem starts out and then it gets to night 120 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: after night and then goes back. It's like it's swings 121 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: on a hinge. It's really neat. I like it. I 122 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: like it too. It's not one of your perfect, proper 123 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: palin drums or anything, but it's still pretty cool. So 124 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: here's my thing is, I started kind of diving into 125 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: this online and found out that there a is a 126 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: documentary called The Palindromists, which I didn't watch, but I 127 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: did watch the trailer, which was fun enough and kind 128 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: of gave me enough inside in two minutes. That sounds 129 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: like a crew that Hodgeman would hang out with, probably 130 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: so um. But it covered in part the Palindrome Championships, 131 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: which is basically where they get palindrome enthusiast together at 132 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: a hotel ballroom and they say, you've got nine. They 133 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: have three constraints. They didn't mention the constraints in the trailer. Uh, 134 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: you have ninety minutes to write out original palindromes and 135 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: then the audience alive audience votes and weird Owl is 136 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: in it. He's a palindromist. Um. Uh. Danika mckeller Winnie 137 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: from one of years is one. You know she wrote 138 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: like a science or no, a math book. Well do 139 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: you know what? She also wrote? What tons of UFO snot? 140 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: What is that? It's a palindrome? Oh that's a good one. Okay, 141 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: weird al wrote this one Suzy rat in a sanitary zoo. 142 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: That's so Dana wins so far. My deal with these 143 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: is once I started kind of seeing this community is 144 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: not only do I love a palindrome, but I like 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: an original one that someone can invent that kind of 146 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: makes sense and it's not just a collection of words 147 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: like do geese? See god? Yeah, that makes sense? It does. Uh. 148 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: Here was another one from the documentary Gerda Boston's i 149 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Q is not so bad? Reg h, that's a good one. Wow, 150 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: who'ss that? Just a contestant? No one famous Lloyd Benson. Sure, okay, 151 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: let's see how about um I got another one? Uh 152 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: go deliver a dare vile dog. That's a good one. 153 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, but it's pretty great. Well, and 154 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: by makes sense. It just it's a sentence and not 155 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: just a collection of words. What about don't nod it's perfect? 156 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Or taco cat the classic taco cat. Taco cats good 157 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: or there's another one with the cat too. Was it 158 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: a car or a cat? I saw, that's a good one. 159 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I've got another one from that trailer. Mr owl ate my, 160 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: it'll worm. Okay, what else? And then go hang a salami? 161 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm a lasagna hog. Who's this? That? That was a 162 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: guy named John A g Um but just the sheer joy. 163 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: These these are sort of like um uh crossword puzzle enthusiasts, 164 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: like just people who really get into words. Uh. And 165 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: I just couldn't get enough of it. I'm gonna try 166 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: and find the whole documentary. UM. I did see in 167 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: February two two there was a computer scientist named Peter 168 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: Norvig who used a computer program to break the record 169 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: for the quote longest Balandrume sentence, which was seventeen thousand 170 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: plus words. It's just a computer program putting together a 171 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: bunch of words. Oh yeah, that doesn't count. And I see, 172 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: I see, yeah, that's but they said that he's the 173 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: world record holder. And I was like, come on, man, 174 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: maybe in the future, but you know, John A. G 175 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: By the way, is um children's book author a beloved 176 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: one according to the Penguin Random House website. Very cool. 177 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: I also found. The longest word is a Finnish palindrome, 178 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: which has I think nineteen letters. S ai you well, 179 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I can't say it. Uh sapua kibikw ps. You just 180 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: converted me back into a boy. It's a dealer in 181 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: lie apparently, so okay, a lie seller, yeah, I think 182 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: so okay. Um. One last thing. Um always talked about 183 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: this guy that she dated that used to mess with people, 184 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: and Um whenever palindromes came up, he'd said, yeah, my 185 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: favorite one is Penis sniper and just wait for them 186 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: to like go over in their head and they'd be like, wait, 187 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: this is not a palindrome, but you're sitting there thinking exactly. Yeah. 188 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: I think this last one was pretty funny to me 189 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: just because it was well. Two of them, to me, 190 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: are very funny because they're so basic. One is Stella 191 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: won no wallets, m M. It's a big wallet competition. 192 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: And then this guy's like clearly a citrus street vendor. 193 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: No lemon, no melon. But I like that one too. 194 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: It's um. The word melon itself has a nice round 195 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: feeling to it. I love the word melon yeah, and 196 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: lemon too, just because it's evocative of that beautiful color too. Yeah, 197 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: that might be my favorite one. Now. No lemon, no melon, Yeah, 198 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: but I like how you say it as well. No lemon, 199 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: no melon, that's right, only pineapple. So we could probably 200 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: see here for the next two hours doing they should 201 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: we just cut this short. Well, we'll stop recording and 202 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: then you and I have just continue to do it 203 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: on our right, all right, all right, Well to the 204 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: rest of you, See you guys later. Because short stuff 205 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: is that stuff you should know is a production of 206 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit 207 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 208 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.