Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's me Matt speaking to you and the
Speaker 1: reason I'm doing so so you know that for all
Speaker 1: you Los Angeles people, we are coming to you on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: December five at the Regent for him. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey live It's going to be very fun. So all
Speaker 1: you Los Angeles people December five, okay, by forever? Look
Speaker 1: mad oh I see you? Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's calling Matt. What
Speaker 1: are you reading these days? Oh? Fuck you stop? I
Speaker 1: know I'm not reading a Okay. The last book I
Speaker 1: read was The War of Art, All the Ward of Art,
Speaker 1: and you gave me loved it, opened up the doors.
Speaker 1: It's great, right, I can't. I'm surprised you didn't read
Speaker 1: it before it I had so warned you had read it.
Speaker 1: And then I was like when when I was like,
Speaker 1: have you read it? The Word of Art? And you're
Speaker 1: like no, It's like, oh, but then you must. Can
Speaker 1: I ask you a questions just around about way so
Speaker 1: you can talk about what you reading? No, you just
Speaker 1: want to textify. I wanted a conversation, sure, and I
Speaker 1: do want to encourage reading any more. You have this
Speaker 1: very anti intellectualism about you that you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: read books, and like, I think it's an issue and
Speaker 1: it's not what we need in this time. I read
Speaker 1: online articles. Yeah, it's not about important things like politics. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you need to. I mean with books, are
Speaker 1: are windows into other worlds. Right, you're reading a book
Speaker 1: right now, I think you should read. I think you
Speaker 1: should read um like Role Models by John Waters, or
Speaker 1: I'm reading I'm finishing Joy Luck Club. You should, you
Speaker 1: should read, you should finish Roylub. I would like to
Speaker 1: read Joy Luck Club. Does Crazy Rich Asans count as
Speaker 1: a book? And did you read it? Yeah? Absolutely, it
Speaker 1: is a book. But I know the story and it's like,
Speaker 1: isn't a kind of like oh, but it's I feel
Speaker 1: like the movie. I haven't read it myself, which is
Speaker 1: I'll admit, but I hear that the movie departs it
Speaker 1: takes many liberty. I did read Big Little Lies, the
Speaker 1: novel after I watched that. You did, and you read
Speaker 1: Gone Girl before you watched the movie. I was very proud.
Speaker 1: Um these like these like these like Gillian Flynn adjacent
Speaker 1: things you've you've you've done. Yeah, I think I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really like to read autobiographies of comedy women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's great, which is one of the I guess
Speaker 1: top five most basic times about me competing with some
Speaker 1: heavy Ellie Kemper just came out. I saw that Busy
Speaker 1: Phillips comedy. Queen Busy Philip comedy, Queen Busy Phillips. Who
Speaker 1: knew we all knew. Oh my god. Well we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this with with the boy with the boys. Now,
Speaker 1: who are the boys? The boys are I mean, true
Speaker 1: prolific queens, I mean shared credits among them, they're I mean,
Speaker 1: they're like a wonderful The first of all, they're a couple.
Speaker 1: Let's just get that off. Let's just get that off
Speaker 1: the time so we don't have to talk about it.
Speaker 1: They also I mean, I mean, I mean they're doing
Speaker 1: such good stuff. I mean, between the two of them,
Speaker 1: you have called your father, which I fucking love. Men
Speaker 1: don't whisper starring TERRYO Terry. You gotta love sharing a
Speaker 1: little culture at number seventeen. You gotta love Sharry uh
Speaker 1: and search Party. I mean, And and we'll let them
Speaker 1: take it away and talk about what stuff they're working
Speaker 1: on now where things kind of drinks the crew was
Speaker 1: going to get up to on this next season of
Speaker 1: Search Party. I mean, I don't think it's many. I
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of like drinks. Well, no, it's
Speaker 1: um it's like it's trial drinks. It's a lot of like,
Speaker 1: oh they're they're in court because you can get up
Speaker 1: to hid drinks in court. Have you seen the OJ trial? Um,
Speaker 1: sure it was. It's not as you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not like them running around. It's them like having
Speaker 1: to sit down and be like definition of hi drinks
Speaker 1: is really if you guys have you guys have killed people?
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's not. It's not fun. I
Speaker 1: mean they'll make it fun, but it's not. It's it's
Speaker 1: not the same thing of them, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I did read some pages of the script.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because you were you're you shot a
Speaker 1: thing of Search Party, didn't you. I won't confirmers enough.
Speaker 1: Oh that's mostly because like what I mean gets cut.
Speaker 1: You've already confirmed it on Jeffrey Seft's episode of Um
Speaker 1: well anyway went in it. We're so excited to have
Speaker 1: them unless you're cut. Were so excited, Um, it's not
Speaker 1: up to him, I haven't cut you yet. Oh um,
Speaker 1: we're so excited to have them give a warm ear.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Charles Rogers and m I wanted to chime in,
Speaker 1: so your feelings, I wanted to I liked um were
Speaker 1: Art of War were different Chinese Chinese. I did read
Speaker 1: that in college. I had no idea Ellie Kemper has
Speaker 1: a book. I wanted to talk about Ellie Kemper, okay,
Speaker 1: because we had we had like a year where we
Speaker 1: would just tag her in everything before. That's how we
Speaker 1: courted each other, was just tagging. Is this real? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's what. But it was like a different Ellie Kemper.
Speaker 1: It was like a Swedish woman. Yeah, okay, I do
Speaker 1: want to get into the courtship later, okay. And then
Speaker 1: what else did you want to chime in on? I forget.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna be like I want to I
Speaker 1: never read like Matt, but I am reading right now.
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to read more. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: chime in about that. Can you speak for the people
Speaker 1: that don't read, because I feel like we got a
Speaker 1: bad rap. It is just so boring. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: but then when it's not, it's so fun. I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like when you're in it, you're like, this is amazing,
Speaker 1: and then three weeks go by, four weeks you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm never finishing that. Do you feel like I read?
Speaker 1: I don't read, and I feel like I'm a reader.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Charles and I are the same, Like
Speaker 1: I'm a reader. You read. I read so much more
Speaker 1: than you. You do. You very busy, baby, Well when
Speaker 1: you're writing, you can't be reading. You can't be reading. Wait,
Speaker 1: so wait, what were you trying to say? It taints
Speaker 1: your work? It taints your work? He doesn't. He Actually
Speaker 1: what pisces me off about his not that exact sentiment.
Speaker 1: He can't watch TV, oh, because I just I don't
Speaker 1: want to sit down at the end of the day
Speaker 1: and like what, especially when you live in l A
Speaker 1: And every party you go to is it's like, so
Speaker 1: it's a dragon and a mermaid, Like it's just what
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't live in the real world. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I mean, like they always said, like
Speaker 1: when we were learning like the screenwriting in college, they
Speaker 1: were like and be watching everything. I was like, you
Speaker 1: want to do that? I don't like until you're not
Speaker 1: yourself at all, but to not be able to experience
Speaker 1: and with your lover, to have to watch Atlanta and
Speaker 1: have to be so moved by it and then have
Speaker 1: to like explain these weird moments that don't actually make
Speaker 1: sense and you're like, he's like, yeah, it's a magical
Speaker 1: real it's everyone's done that. I don't political point or something.
Speaker 1: So he just doesn't want to, but like he will.
Speaker 1: He'll never understand Teddy Perkins. Yeah, I know enough to
Speaker 1: know I respect that okaying is okay, but that this
Speaker 1: is a very interesting approach because I am curious about you.
Speaker 1: And Sarah the same way where she won't watched She's
Speaker 1: one of these people who have fall Yeah, she watches
Speaker 1: tons of night moves and she will fall asleep to
Speaker 1: something every night. I don't identify without either. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: on me. I fall asleep like the Office or thirty Rock,
Speaker 1: like comforting things like from when we were coming up,
Speaker 1: and that's when I used to when we were coming up,
Speaker 1: and that was really the Well maybe that's maybe that's
Speaker 1: a lie. Like in college, I did watch TV and
Speaker 1: I'll get into a show, but I'm not like an
Speaker 1: active TV watcher all the time. Like I I can't
Speaker 1: list off five or six shows that I am watching frequently.
Speaker 1: What happens to me is I'll get very obsessed with
Speaker 1: something for one or two seasons that I binge, and
Speaker 1: then the third season will come out and for some reason,
Speaker 1: I'll have no fucking interest. Yeah, Like I love the
Speaker 1: first season in West World. I actually loved it, and
Speaker 1: then the second season came back and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't care about this at all. Yeah, it's impossible.
Speaker 1: Well now it's impossible because then it's like within three
Speaker 1: weeks eight shows have come out and you're like, so
Speaker 1: by a year from then, you're like, I don't remember it,
Speaker 1: I don't care about it, and everything has come out.
Speaker 1: So I know this is bad. This is bad to
Speaker 1: say on this podcast, but I felt that way about
Speaker 1: Drag Race this season. I was like, I've been watching
Speaker 1: this show for like almost a year. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's getting pathological if you like have something in
Speaker 1: your life felt even though I still love the show, yeah, same,
Speaker 1: and you you can't ever not watch it because now
Speaker 1: it's like, what do we talk about then? But I do?
Speaker 1: I did, Okay, So I'm so glad you're saying this, Charles,
Speaker 1: thank you, because I for a long time thought that,
Speaker 1: like in order to just sort of be like you,
Speaker 1: like that you can't create in this vacuum or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, not not that. Yeah, it's that's happening. Well,
Speaker 1: I wish I watched more stuff, and I missed the
Speaker 1: days when I was like so fresh and like wanted
Speaker 1: to consume and like beate and be molded, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't have that inspiration anymore. But I think
Speaker 1: it's just like feeling tired. I think it's just being
Speaker 1: tired and also wanting to do other things. Like I'd
Speaker 1: rather listen to music. You said you like podcasts, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I want constant chatter. I never want silence.
Speaker 1: He has a hard time listening to music too, though
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, I feel like he like works and
Speaker 1: then he's just like staring And then it's true. It's true.
Speaker 1: At night I'll just look through Instagram and jerk off
Speaker 1: and stare at the scene to him the entire time,
Speaker 1: and he says a word driking off a huge part
Speaker 1: of my life as well, that I think, And that's no,
Speaker 1: that's as noble as reading. And of course I challenge
Speaker 1: you to to really give us our generations first or
Speaker 1: just the world's first Instagram masturbation scene. I feel like
Speaker 1: we haven't that has That's true, and that's a very
Speaker 1: you mean just drinking up to other people's Instagrams, but
Speaker 1: specifically with a phone in your hand, and like, that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have Twitter jerked off before. But because there's actually
Speaker 1: like the tweets to Nikki Glazers tweets, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: you follow each other, so I can't say anything. Love
Speaker 1: your girl. We recently met her and she recognized Bowen
Speaker 1: and not me. It was a great moment and she
Speaker 1: did recognize you. By the end she was like, no,
Speaker 1: I think I do know you and I was like maybe.
Speaker 1: And it was a week you spent a week with it.
Speaker 1: It was only the three of us up stay in
Speaker 1: the cabin and then speaking when you tell us that,
Speaker 1: we were saying, yeah it was so. I think we
Speaker 1: were there for the best week leaf weekend of the
Speaker 1: because was that the week after us? That was the
Speaker 1: week after us because you guys start started to see
Speaker 1: them turn, but they weren't like it. I will say
Speaker 1: that it was a really good week class week. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I actually think we got the tail, and we got
Speaker 1: the tail yesterday. It was like I've never seen gorgeous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I slept over at David Ariols last night
Speaker 1: and I woke up in Harlem. The sky was orange, bitch,
Speaker 1: the sky every leaf and this guy. I woke up
Speaker 1: at a cool noon okay, and I was walking down
Speaker 1: area when I really and I went for luncheon. I
Speaker 1: was just like, can you look at this guy? And
Speaker 1: I think, post acid trip, I'm really noticing that we
Speaker 1: didn't likely like we we made try to do it
Speaker 1: once a day and where no one's touched us. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we see we see beauty and we see ugly.
Speaker 1: Did you guys do it up state? Now? It's the
Speaker 1: perfect like straight. It was really interesting. So were my
Speaker 1: friend good friends Sarah married the owner of Italy no
Speaker 1: one who is not Mario. They're like, there's like three partners.
Speaker 1: He's one of them, and he's a really he's a
Speaker 1: good guy. They're very in love. And we went to
Speaker 1: there like Italy blowout wedding and like over the summer.
Speaker 1: So it was like some gay guys and then like
Speaker 1: some very like broy like business guys and it was weird.
Speaker 1: It was interesting with them, yes and no. It was
Speaker 1: like kind of we were like wigs and costumes a lot,
Speaker 1: and like at first they were like no, and then
Speaker 1: by the end like they thought we were funny. But
Speaker 1: then but there was a moment where like one of
Speaker 1: the strikers just staring at I, just like I don't
Speaker 1: even understand what you're joking. It was like, what's the joke?
Speaker 1: Really good? They're watching football and we just started making
Speaker 1: this stupid joke. We were like, the leaves are turning
Speaker 1: at it's football season, grow the Jack Lanard's in the trash,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, we were just doing like an impression of
Speaker 1: like a football announce What is the joke of that?
Speaker 1: It was like the joke, the joke is that this
Speaker 1: football announcer cares its autumn season. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Like it's a funny voice. We think. I
Speaker 1: think it is so funny to make people explain what's
Speaker 1: funny about your jokes? Just imagine not having an ear
Speaker 1: for like, yeah, I know, no, it's interesting, but his
Speaker 1: friends have that ear it he has. He doesn't know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that he's wrong, And I will, I
Speaker 1: will this reminds me. There is someone on search Party
Speaker 1: who I won't name that like her, like one thing,
Speaker 1: her one joke was like her one line and she
Speaker 1: was like, why is blah blah blah blah. Basically she
Speaker 1: didn't get the line. And I was like, if you
Speaker 1: have to ask why, that's funny, Like you won't understand
Speaker 1: a single line of this show. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: don't know who you're talking Patty Angel. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's lost on me. Yeah, what is going on with
Speaker 1: Like how do they keep rising? It's so they're victims,
Speaker 1: that's their brand. I mean, Joel will be the first
Speaker 1: to tell you that he's not doing well, and that
Speaker 1: is a valid Yeah, it's true. It's true. I mean
Speaker 1: he doesn't book, doesn't never see him on screen. Um,
Speaker 1: you know he's really he's passed his prime. Now. I
Speaker 1: did something weird yesterday, which is I watched Joel stand
Speaker 1: up online just as a fan. I love him. This
Speaker 1: is this is the real me, a Joel fan. He's
Speaker 1: a good person, very very good person. Friend. Okay, my friend, Okay,
Speaker 1: so fine? Were colleagues more more, that's true, professional colleague.
Speaker 1: Everyone in the storst professional colleagues except for both for me, well,
Speaker 1: you and I are do you guys make money doing this?
Speaker 1: We make a little bit. We've been on we've been
Speaker 1: on the same check. What's the exact amount? Um? So like,
Speaker 1: for example, we just um did Everlyne sponsorships. And then
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm even joking where this is just true.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. They were like, okay, now pick ten
Speaker 1: any ten things you want from the website, and well,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and we'll send it to you. That
Speaker 1: that's good, right, that's hello, thousands of dollars. That's better
Speaker 1: than money for you. But oh my god, it is
Speaker 1: kind of is I think it is because it's like,
Speaker 1: here's just you know, you're going to use it to
Speaker 1: shop anywhere or do whatever the fun. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not money you could spend wrong exactly. It wasn't budgeted.
Speaker 1: It was just like pick tonight. That is actually I
Speaker 1: would love it if my checks were like clothing money,
Speaker 1: like ecasion money you needed ac countant. That just sounds
Speaker 1: like you need an assistant. I want to know. Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to know about this courtship. So same, just
Speaker 1: give us, give us whatever sordid things I'm going to
Speaker 1: get there before you. He says one thing always when
Speaker 1: people ask that embarrasses me so much. So I'm gonna like, basically,
Speaker 1: he's going to say that I reached out. That's the
Speaker 1: word nothing linked in. No, no, okay, So here's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna explain it from the beginning because Charles
Speaker 1: wasn't there for the beginning of it, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was in a coma for seven years, so basically three
Speaker 1: seven years. We'll take you back to the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Film Festival to how they say, Yeah, Charles had to
Speaker 1: film festivals that weekend, first Feature four until then he
Speaker 1: they I think they were like flying him and putting
Speaker 1: up at a nicer hotel in Chicago. So he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose Chicago. I went to New Orleans
Speaker 1: and I was like expecting to see him, didn't know.
Speaker 1: I had vaguely hurt, but didn't like anything. He was
Speaker 1: at a Q and A for a movie he had
Speaker 1: like three lines in, and he like kind of like
Speaker 1: took over the Q because it was like failing eleven lines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like who. I was like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like, well, there are a lot of awkward people
Speaker 1: on stage. You definitely like made the Q and I
Speaker 1: feel more live. But I was also like what gives
Speaker 1: him the right? Like it was this person that, like
Speaker 1: I was very unstable. I needed attention, so I didn't then.
Speaker 1: And so I got to the festival and it was
Speaker 1: my It was my first like not gay film festival,
Speaker 1: like my first short to like all these gay film festivals.
Speaker 1: And I was like, when, well the Straits accept me?
Speaker 1: So still asking and so New Orleans was the first
Speaker 1: film festival that accepted me. And I was like, what
Speaker 1: program man? And then I was like, you're playing before
Speaker 1: a future And I was kind of pissed because I
Speaker 1: wanted to be in like a short program. And then
Speaker 1: it was I was playing before his future, which I
Speaker 1: which the first time you and I met was you
Speaker 1: did monologues at Magnet for the All Queer Yeah that's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Anyway, Wow, that's so interesting when everyone used
Speaker 1: to do that. Okay, so sorry, keep going. So well,
Speaker 1: both of our movies were like two handers about like
Speaker 1: terrible people, and I like watched that movie and it
Speaker 1: fucking like yeah, Like I was like this is like
Speaker 1: I was like I need to know this person. I
Speaker 1: need to like I will like be involved in some
Speaker 1: way with this person, like married her for one to
Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, But I was like I was so
Speaker 1: in love with the movie. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: like the sensibility I'm going for and the sensibility I
Speaker 1: want to be. What's weird about? Okay? And then you
Speaker 1: messaged me on Facebook and we had like a good rapport.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I can't tell if this is
Speaker 1: like somebody I've got a crush on or just a
Speaker 1: friend or what, because I was like, he's really cute
Speaker 1: from his pictures. And then we made a plan to
Speaker 1: go to dinner, and then the night before we ended
Speaker 1: up at John and Kate show and we sat, they
Speaker 1: sat because it was really packed. They set us on
Speaker 1: stage facing each other each other, like we was like yeah.
Speaker 1: They put up like a row of chairs on either
Speaker 1: side of the stage and we just and we had
Speaker 1: to like and it was like, oh, it's you, Like
Speaker 1: we're gonna meet tomorrow, and like we were just cry
Speaker 1: and I remember like we glanced over at each other
Speaker 1: a bunch of times throughout that Then we had dinner
Speaker 1: the next night and it was like nice, but it
Speaker 1: felt like a general little bit like a little bit
Speaker 1: and then we got drunk and made out at the
Speaker 1: end of the night. Then didn't speak for like three months.
Speaker 1: I had just I had just like something was just started,
Speaker 1: something that was like very intense, and so I remember
Speaker 1: I remember going, this is like I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we've ever like rehashed all of this, but I
Speaker 1: went home to my roommate and I was like Bish
Speaker 1: or Charles, and then she was like it's Charles, and
Speaker 1: I was like it's and so I was like it's
Speaker 1: Bish did my thing like God did for a few months,
Speaker 1: We've all done. But I remember Kristen was like it
Speaker 1: just Charles is such a no brainer. Like she's not
Speaker 1: in your life anymore, and she's not acts communicated. Wait
Speaker 1: where's this now? Can we talk about you know what?
Speaker 1: We're just getting in a place like it was such
Speaker 1: a bad, a bad experience, and like now like three
Speaker 1: years later, like I'm comfortable with my relationship and like
Speaker 1: he's kind of still fingering stuff out, but like we
Speaker 1: can like text and be like how's it going for tex?
Speaker 1: But he lives here right now, he lives in Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just got a job at a they're buying him
Speaker 1: a house. They do that they literally if you get
Speaker 1: a good good job there, they like everyone who with
Speaker 1: what money? Bit Because n y U, John Sexton got
Speaker 1: in a whole dick load of trouble. The president of NYU,
Speaker 1: like it turns out, was like using the university's money
Speaker 1: to like him for the professors with homes and stuff
Speaker 1: like we had I was in a show and like
Speaker 1: he had invited us out to his fire Island home
Speaker 1: and we found out allegedly it was like weird. Allegedly, wow,
Speaker 1: that had been paid for and he got into so
Speaker 1: much trouble and n YU was already a fucking has
Speaker 1: a fire island. He had a fire island home and
Speaker 1: that it was like it was like the whole school
Speaker 1: like had this really disarming persona of being like did
Speaker 1: you ever see me on campus? Give me a hug,
Speaker 1: because this thing was the John Sexton hugs and he
Speaker 1: would hug every student. It was truly the right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a weird fund up like PREMI too thing
Speaker 1: of like wait, there's something wrong about that. He was
Speaker 1: also like very like we're going to build a global
Speaker 1: universe universe, take over the entire universe universe title and
Speaker 1: in the show in the show I did. He kept
Speaker 1: it was like a Welcome Week show where it's like
Speaker 1: welcome here, you have a room that's weird, like to
Speaker 1: deal with each other but love. And also it was
Speaker 1: like really about like what to do if you were
Speaker 1: having like dark thoughts, because that was you guys were
Speaker 1: like in the era people jumping off the library when
Speaker 1: the or whatever. When they raised the Welcome Week freshman
Speaker 1: to senior year of high school, I would go and
Speaker 1: pretend I was sane, and I would like with my
Speaker 1: stage or I was like I knew a stage or
Speaker 1: person coming in every year, so I would just like
Speaker 1: saying there dorm and be like I'm a freshman, and
Speaker 1: then I would I would imagine if you did that
Speaker 1: now imagine. But then people the next year would be like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I haven't seen you in a whole
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since last Welcome Week a year ago.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I've just been busy. But you
Speaker 1: were like fifteen, like like fucking anyone who had kid. Wow,
Speaker 1: I love that. That's the that's a screenplay. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But they wanted us to make like the global University
Speaker 1: thing like part of it, and I was like wait,
Speaker 1: hold on a set, like and even me like one,
Speaker 1: I was like, where the fund is this money going?
Speaker 1: Like what is this a crazy front for the fact
Speaker 1: that there's a campus problem is the fact that there's
Speaker 1: a campus in Abudhani's like we fathom how where sixty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars per year per person goes like, I don't
Speaker 1: even get food. It's I can tell you from eating
Speaker 1: there the food I liked that you liked it. I
Speaker 1: love that you're a palette is not sophisticated. Um, I
Speaker 1: I need to I feel like Jordan's okay, let's let's
Speaker 1: just let's we're on Jordan And so we were you
Speaker 1: guys started into the last part, the last part fast
Speaker 1: Fish was Fish was fading out. I was so stressed,
Speaker 1: so anxious. I came to a brunch wet. Um. So
Speaker 1: that's what I told months later, I was like, you
Speaker 1: looked soaking wet the next time I saw you, know
Speaker 1: when you're dry, but you're a really bad emotional place
Speaker 1: that you're just we two ladies and you are like
Speaker 1: you've just you just you've just got a lot of
Speaker 1: like active follicles. That that's probably what I was just
Speaker 1: letting stressed all the time, so you were sweat well okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, like we we hung out like every day.
Speaker 1: After that that we started hang out like every day.
Speaker 1: We became like best friends. And then when when Search
Speaker 1: Party was like green lit, I wanted him to write
Speaker 1: on the show. But then we had to put our
Speaker 1: feelings away because Jordan was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: have any like weird, but these feelings came up literally
Speaker 1: the Saturday before the first Monday of the Room, I
Speaker 1: think there was we were like literally or at least
Speaker 1: like mutual adoration, you know, like yeah, yeah, like the
Speaker 1: Saturday before yeah, before the Room started. And then it
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is very confusing, like what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Know, the Saturday before was the Halloween. That's
Speaker 1: a whole I can't tell that story as far as humiliating.
Speaker 1: It just involves me on Molly begging to be a
Speaker 1: part of a three way and taking an uber that
Speaker 1: car as Charles Manson and not to Jordan's story, we
Speaker 1: had been making out with some guy, the three of
Speaker 1: us like all night, and then they went home together,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not how this night was
Speaker 1: gonna go. And then and then I literally on the
Speaker 1: way home. I asked the uber driver I was alone
Speaker 1: with her. I was like, have you ever been in left?
Speaker 1: What did she say? I don't remember that. I was
Speaker 1: also crazy because Vish was at that part took Charles
Speaker 1: aside and said, I give him to you. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: cut his karmick ties with you and was like you
Speaker 1: can have Jordan's and blessed like the courts. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I was like, funk that, like, I'm not like you
Speaker 1: very much, but you've never been in control of your destiny.
Speaker 1: That is true, either Vish or I have. The Room started.
Speaker 1: The Room started, and we took like like two weeks.
Speaker 1: Like the first week, he was just like mad at
Speaker 1: me all the time. I couldn't handle it. I could
Speaker 1: not handle that three way rejection and Molly. I should
Speaker 1: not have done Molly like two days before the Room
Speaker 1: first half. It was a mistake. And it was my
Speaker 1: first writing TV writing job, So I was like sparentually depleted,
Speaker 1: and I would like couldn't look at Jordan's for like
Speaker 1: a week, and I was like, oh, like I'm going
Speaker 1: to get fired, like he hates my job. So then
Speaker 1: when did it? When did the up swing happen again?
Speaker 1: With like two months into the room, and then and
Speaker 1: then we were like good and happy again and like
Speaker 1: becoming best friends again. And then like two months into
Speaker 1: the room, we went to Palm Springs just to like
Speaker 1: figure out what we are and it was the weirdest,
Speaker 1: like it was such a weird thing, just the two
Speaker 1: of us, and we like hooked up again and then
Speaker 1: like but it felt like sad or empty or something.
Speaker 1: And then we watched The Intern and just made fun
Speaker 1: of the Internal Night, which it was so joyful forth,
Speaker 1: like we bondaged so hard, making like dissecting Nancy Myers movie.
Speaker 1: That that was the first time I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: like I probably should be with this person. It was
Speaker 1: just so confused. It was so confused. I never had
Speaker 1: more confusion about like a person in my life. And
Speaker 1: then long story short, the room ended. And then then
Speaker 1: on Valentine, the night before Valentine's Day, Jordan had a
Speaker 1: party and then we hooked up again that night, and
Speaker 1: then we both texted a week later that we had
Speaker 1: wanted to say I love you when we had hooked up.
Speaker 1: And then and it was like do you know when
Speaker 1: like you're like in bed with someone and you're like
Speaker 1: thinking it over and over and over, but you like
Speaker 1: you can't say. I was like, I'm so like, I'm
Speaker 1: such a loser. And then I found out he was
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing, and it was a big relief. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: that is a that is a crazy thing. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then two weeks later we were like, we're going
Speaker 1: to be a boyfriend, but then started like long distance
Speaker 1: because I was in New York and he was. It's
Speaker 1: hard to have that exciting moment and then be like
Speaker 1: and then let's be separate. There's so much there's so
Speaker 1: much texture to that. I love that it was such
Speaker 1: as a saga, so good and continues to be It's true.
Speaker 1: I I feel like I have to address this thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's about time. It's about okay. I think
Speaker 1: I feel like you all know except me. I so
Speaker 1: hearing dooran to talk about like like posing as a
Speaker 1: freshman or just posing as a student, like and like
Speaker 1: and like all the stage or stuff, like there is
Speaker 1: a part of me and this and this is just me,
Speaker 1: this out there and there's there's no like there's no
Speaker 1: good or bad way to take this. But like I
Speaker 1: feel like Jordan's was living this life that I had
Speaker 1: always sort of secretly wanted but was like pigeonholed by
Speaker 1: my parents into being like you're gonna make your in science,
Speaker 1: You're gonna do this, like like I would like growing up,
Speaker 1: Jordan would have been someone who I would have been like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I want and um I feel like
Speaker 1: that's still true now. It's like, wow, these things follow
Speaker 1: us into adulthood. Right, are you saying relationship what I'm saying? No, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying like Jordan's like is there but I've I
Speaker 1: mean like I've lost that a lot of that part
Speaker 1: of my Okay, Okay, so this is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get out, Like, yes, are do you like is
Speaker 1: that person still? Like I miss I miss being like
Speaker 1: I don't feel free as free really and like I
Speaker 1: miss I do miss like the like more adventurous. And
Speaker 1: it's not because of anything. It's just like you grow
Speaker 1: up and then you're like you want to be successful,
Speaker 1: and then you're working all the time, and then when
Speaker 1: you're working you're like, oh, like I can't just go
Speaker 1: to like Berlin for a month and people and like
Speaker 1: you can't do the things that like but I'm I
Speaker 1: really did do them. Like I did them, like from
Speaker 1: from like fifteen to twenty two. You started young. I
Speaker 1: started really young, and so like I don't feel like
Speaker 1: regrets and like I don't really want it anymore, but
Speaker 1: I do sometimes like miss just being like wild, but
Speaker 1: you had it. I had it, but I did do it.
Speaker 1: I feel that way with like silliness, like I miss
Speaker 1: being like free and silly and like people used to
Speaker 1: think of me as like the silly one, and now
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't know. I think well because Charles
Speaker 1: is the boss and so like, and it just stresses
Speaker 1: you out and then you stop being like fun. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like I miss like being like almost
Speaker 1: like everyone's little brother, Like I used to have that
Speaker 1: thing in high school, but I'm not that anymore. It's weird,
Speaker 1: But that's not exactly what you're saying. It's a similar
Speaker 1: thing though. It's like things that you you missed about yourself.
Speaker 1: But I also think if you're like into your thirties
Speaker 1: fucking people in Berlin, like it's that was my Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I had a terrible leading into that. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry that I directed it at like Jordan's past
Speaker 1: or like upbringing but this is a thing you apologize,
Speaker 1: but it's it's this Okay, it's this life stick. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what you guys know Matt Porter right, No,
Speaker 1: he's he's great. He um. The only reason I mentioned
Speaker 1: him is because I feel like he's like in that
Speaker 1: sort of same. He was like something, well, yeah, he
Speaker 1: wrote this thing about turning thirty that is basically just
Speaker 1: being like girls, girls, girls. It's about girls is ultimately,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, class it really is. It's
Speaker 1: she wrote this thing where it's like, Okay, you have
Speaker 1: all the structure up until you know you're late twenty,
Speaker 1: and then you just have to get used to like
Speaker 1: your thrusters turning off and you're just sort of floating
Speaker 1: in space for a while, and you just have to
Speaker 1: be used to the stillness of being like basically a
Speaker 1: somewhat finalized version of who you're going to be. And
Speaker 1: I feel like I am. I feel like you and
Speaker 1: I are in this place where we're like contending with that.
Speaker 1: You're like, is this, well what I was going to
Speaker 1: say to what Jordan's what what Charles was saying was like,
Speaker 1: you say, used to have this thing where people thought
Speaker 1: of you as silly and like almost didn't take you
Speaker 1: as seriously. I feel like people don't take me seriously enough.
Speaker 1: I want to be like that's my my kind of
Speaker 1: thing is it's like how much longer am I going
Speaker 1: to be looked at? Is? Like? I feel like you
Speaker 1: can't have both. Yeah, I don't think you can be
Speaker 1: with somebody that's like I take you seriously, but I
Speaker 1: love you and I want to like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not that doesn't work. Are afraid for you or
Speaker 1: want to be You're afraid of you or one of
Speaker 1: your best friends and you can't have It's weird because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like and tell me if you
Speaker 1: guys identify with this. It's like what people think they're
Speaker 1: going to get from you and what people actually get
Speaker 1: from you. It's like are sometimes two different things, and
Speaker 1: they can't reconcile when they get something they're not expecting.
Speaker 1: So it's like the second you try to change it up,
Speaker 1: they're like, no, that's not you. I know you, or
Speaker 1: they see how you relate to another person to be like,
Speaker 1: oh I can relate to them the way that they
Speaker 1: relate to that person. Oh I'll act like that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always constant I have the same thing though, like
Speaker 1: especially in like in the Search Party Room more the
Speaker 1: first two seasons, but like I'd say a pitch seriously
Speaker 1: and people would like laugh at it, and then like
Speaker 1: two minutes to go by and they're like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: that's real and good and like it would like come
Speaker 1: back to it, but they just assumed I was joking
Speaker 1: because like I just like have a face that it
Speaker 1: seems like I'm joking about everything. But i think it's
Speaker 1: my face a little bit. But I'm like, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm dead seriously, And is there a part
Speaker 1: of you that thinks like because you are in the
Speaker 1: room and everyone knows that you guys are together that
Speaker 1: they think of like maybe it's is there a part
Speaker 1: of you that projects that No, it's these these are facts.
Speaker 1: It was the first season too, we weren't together than either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's something I've dealt with my entire
Speaker 1: life of like people not like understanding that I'm serious.
Speaker 1: But now I'm I'm at a place now where like
Speaker 1: I know how serious I am, and so if I
Speaker 1: don't see it, I'm like it doesn't matter, Like I know,
Speaker 1: I know it can be weird. Though, Like I feel
Speaker 1: that way because my voice is kind of dead, Like
Speaker 1: I kind of have just like a dead energy sometimes,
Speaker 1: and so like if I'm joking, it's like sometimes the
Speaker 1: same voices when I'm serious, and then I'll like say
Speaker 1: something that's a joke and people be like oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, you don't know me
Speaker 1: at all. Like if you think I'm capable of that,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, oh my god, our friendships are shamp
Speaker 1: The way I am is I'm so big that it's
Speaker 1: like when I'm joking, you know, when it's borderline too much,
Speaker 1: and then when I'm serious, it's like, okay, yeah, we're here.
Speaker 1: But that's it's always extremes. You guys both have like
Speaker 1: the big, big thing, and that I do envy that.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, what do you mean you do have
Speaker 1: the big thing? What do you talking about? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: you guys like can like be just like fun at
Speaker 1: the drop of you know what I mean. Like watching
Speaker 1: you guys do, I don't think there any live and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like they just know how to like
Speaker 1: even if it's mental illness, really mentally are you ever
Speaker 1: just like in a really bad mood and then you're
Speaker 1: like you turn it on. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just did that. Yeah. I find that I can
Speaker 1: always turn it on. And also oftentimes I'm just on
Speaker 1: all the time and people it's too much for people,
Speaker 1: like kind of like I always remember like when Bow
Speaker 1: and Me, Sudie and Dave all went to Disney World
Speaker 1: like Orlando, I could feel that they were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is really this is a problem. You're here and
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was like, come on, we
Speaker 1: have to go because have to do this other ride.
Speaker 1: And They're like, we're in our late twenties and don't
Speaker 1: we have to rush? And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, same,
Speaker 1: we can. We can sit down. I'm not manic, and
Speaker 1: I'm like I see myself sometimes and actually one of
Speaker 1: the things that I realize one of my lessons quote
Speaker 1: unquote from the Acid Trip is I am like a
Speaker 1: man child, and like I that's been hard about becoming
Speaker 1: almost thirty years old and like at this point now
Speaker 1: where it's like, and this is maybe weird to say,
Speaker 1: but like I think people know who I am in
Speaker 1: the comedy community, but I don't have like a staffed
Speaker 1: job under my name, Like everything I've done, is that
Speaker 1: it's something I've created or you know, something that I've
Speaker 1: I've got done myself. And it's kind of like, huh,
Speaker 1: like this thing of like people not taking me seriously.
Speaker 1: I know it's coming from my own brain, but it's
Speaker 1: something that's like matches this thing about my personality, which
Speaker 1: is like a child, you're your Yeah, your best qualities
Speaker 1: are your worst qualities and like and like you couldn't
Speaker 1: be you without being a child, so part of your thing.
Speaker 1: But then it's also going to be like your downfall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably more in like personal relations said that I will
Speaker 1: die by my own hand. You like, it'll be like
Speaker 1: me just like what you're going to You're gonna tie
Speaker 1: masturbating to an Instagram feed. Yeah. I think it's good
Speaker 1: to be a child, like people love like Tiffany Hattish people,
Speaker 1: the people who are the sparkliest are like children don't
Speaker 1: hard and like I'm jealous of that because it's that
Speaker 1: sounds so free. You know, if you can harness it
Speaker 1: so that everyone is just doing something for you all
Speaker 1: the time, it's like you gotta get you have assistance,
Speaker 1: you people doing all the adult things for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need childish while having assistance. That is, that's that's
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Speaker 1: Do you okay? So talk about how okay? How is
Speaker 1: men don't whisper? How did that work as like a
Speaker 1: production in terms of you two? Because you can okay,
Speaker 1: you did you to direct that, Jordan? Jordan direct but great,
Speaker 1: And then like I can't imagine how just involved that
Speaker 1: would be and to have that beat in some way
Speaker 1: not emotionally fraught, but just like there's this like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're working with like you're speaking another like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean this sounds that was really easy. The we're
Speaker 1: making a feature out of it, and that was we
Speaker 1: I feel like we delved into more of our real problems,
Speaker 1: and the feature is more like really about our problems.
Speaker 1: Like the short was like here's gay masculinity problems, and
Speaker 1: then the future is like here's that, and then here's
Speaker 1: also I have this problem, you have this problem. We
Speaker 1: just put him into the moment and now is a
Speaker 1: little harder to write because like you almost like writing
Speaker 1: a movie, you like literally have to agree what's right
Speaker 1: and wrong, like morally and like and we're having like
Speaker 1: different ideas about how we like bring ourselves into the relationship,
Speaker 1: like we have to come to a consensus to me
Speaker 1: to write this right. So like that was just like
Speaker 1: moments when like our characters need to be equally bad
Speaker 1: and you're like I agree, and I'm like okay, but
Speaker 1: your character and my character is worse than your character,
Speaker 1: Like I don't agree, Like, okay, this is a problem
Speaker 1: because now we have to talk about how just and
Speaker 1: then it's like I'm not saying this because I need
Speaker 1: to look good. Turn into a problem where like I'm
Speaker 1: not as bad as him in the relationship and no, hell,
Speaker 1: that's so interesting, Like I don't know, not that it's
Speaker 1: the same thing at all, but like if you and
Speaker 1: I were to like you and I have constant disagreements
Speaker 1: all the time about things that I basically boiled down
Speaker 1: to like morality ship, and like I don't know. That's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean they get they they have to figure it
Speaker 1: out because the movie is being made. We just let
Speaker 1: it sit. You just keep working on it. Then it
Speaker 1: didn't like fix it didn't fix the problem. It's it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like no, it fixed us. Yeah we're
Speaker 1: yeah right, But eventually you do get down to like
Speaker 1: the product is something that you're both like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we understand because it became like it
Speaker 1: was like super micro when we started, and then like
Speaker 1: kind of the way we like ended the movie is
Speaker 1: so macro. That's like, oh, we can blame all of
Speaker 1: our problems on society. I was kind of the time. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I said to say I'm sorry, and then the movies
Speaker 1: over that. But I do want to get to the question, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the question we go to trials first. So
Speaker 1: this is the culture that made you say culture was
Speaker 1: for me, the pop culture that was defining it was
Speaker 1: either you know, it doesn't have to be like a
Speaker 1: specific film or musical artists or whatever, but that thing
Speaker 1: that that made you like you your touchstone pop culturally.
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, that's the earliest stuff. Like
Speaker 1: it's like all this stuff that was like handed to
Speaker 1: me at the beginning. And my dad, my dad for
Speaker 1: being like as much of a straight guy as he is,
Speaker 1: like for some reason, like loves like Blake Edwards and
Speaker 1: like loved like the Pink Panther, and like like it's
Speaker 1: a mad, mad, mad mad world, and like all those
Speaker 1: like goofy sixties comedies that like in mel Brooks that
Speaker 1: were just like so like there's such a queer perspective
Speaker 1: in the sixties. It's like so zany, and like they
Speaker 1: weren't afraid of it because they were like, well, of
Speaker 1: course it's not gay. We don't need and say gay yeah,
Speaker 1: and like it was the gayest thing that's ever been made,
Speaker 1: like lots of like champagne bubbles and like weird like
Speaker 1: you knowhere, yeah, and so like that stuff is still
Speaker 1: like I love camp deep, I mean we all do,
Speaker 1: but like I just feel like Broad in camp or
Speaker 1: such like dirty words today and it's like it's such
Speaker 1: a I mean camp less so because we're like taking
Speaker 1: it back, but like the broad straight people are taking
Speaker 1: it straight people. It's totally or like American Hustle where
Speaker 1: it's like straight people in wigs and it's like, oh god,
Speaker 1: it feels horrible. It just doesn't work when you do
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Yeah, that was straight for sure.
Speaker 1: I did like it, but it was it was it
Speaker 1: was like it's like igive he had a crowbar in
Speaker 1: his hand. Yeah, but it's crazy music. Yeah yeah talking
Speaker 1: to camera. Yeah, I don't know. I just love like
Speaker 1: I think broad is. I want to bring broad because
Speaker 1: it's you can still say lots of smart things and
Speaker 1: be broad like it's and people are broad as hell
Speaker 1: are cartoons like nobody is? Can I ask because my
Speaker 1: criticism of A Star is Born was that that fucking
Speaker 1: manager broad asked cartoon British manager ruined the movie. He
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, but I think every moment ruined
Speaker 1: that movie. You didn't like, Like I hated so much
Speaker 1: it's not even worth going into. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: was just considering the fact that like there was in
Speaker 1: this a movie that felt specific and then this broad
Speaker 1: ass character came in and ruined it, whereas like maybe
Speaker 1: the movie, if it really wanted to be, should have
Speaker 1: just been broad from the beginning, which yeah, we won't,
Speaker 1: we don't have to get I know it was. I
Speaker 1: felt like it was everything was so broad that like
Speaker 1: his existence made total sense to me. I will say,
Speaker 1: and you like shot me a dirty ass look in
Speaker 1: the theater and the first fucking shot at the film
Speaker 1: where he's just like unscrewing a fucking thing of whiskey
Speaker 1: or whatever. I was just or he did he medicates
Speaker 1: in some way, and I just laughed. I was like,
Speaker 1: already like this is this is like, so I shot
Speaker 1: you because I was like I knew this would happen,
Speaker 1: like I knew you wouldn't give it to know I was.
Speaker 1: I was just laughing at how thickly everything was being
Speaker 1: laid out. I was like, and I hear that, and
Speaker 1: then he was performing to like a Trump supporting crowd
Speaker 1: and then they're like we're nowhere in New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. It's like I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: Jordan's I think I remember seeing it on Jordan's story
Speaker 1: like a few days later he was like, just like
Speaker 1: ships on the movie, and I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not the only person, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what I call it the blue and black dress. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you either see it or you don't. Wow. I think
Speaker 1: I was swept away by it at first. And I
Speaker 1: do still like the movie, like watching it, I don't
Speaker 1: think it and I think that that's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: Lady Got in a movie. It's like that's still what
Speaker 1: it is. But you know, I do get yeah, but broad, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like thinking in terms of like the
Speaker 1: man te Venus of it all. But broad for some
Speaker 1: reason is equating in my brain as like not know
Speaker 1: as as like offensive or like not well because it
Speaker 1: was because because in in like a non woke time
Speaker 1: when we did World Comedy, of course it was offensive.
Speaker 1: Because we can still get away with that. I think
Speaker 1: it's like big characters where everyone has like a hat
Speaker 1: or something and it's like power. Right, So I would
Speaker 1: love Austin Powers totally comedy, and I swear I was
Speaker 1: not like virtue signaling in anyway. But but you're right.
Speaker 1: But I was like, but I'm imagine if like Murder
Speaker 1: on The Oriented Express had been funny people like well,
Speaker 1: like like in the day, they would even make dramas
Speaker 1: really broad and like that. Like now I feel like
Speaker 1: they have to be so real and round or boring
Speaker 1: or boring. Everything is boring now, I know, because everything
Speaker 1: is so like trying to Like on Netflix, it's just
Speaker 1: like all those titles are like fake movie titles from
Speaker 1: inside a movie and it's just like a copy of something.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because the OSCARS is so obsessed with
Speaker 1: boring movies like Spotlight One. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I get that this is well made and about something
Speaker 1: quote unquote important, but dear God, but it's it's a
Speaker 1: procedural TV show. It's like it's like literally the beat
Speaker 1: by beat Law and Order. I had such a feeling
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, like when you've been in
Speaker 1: an office feeling you're like, I can't have more fluorescent
Speaker 1: lights like when I love that movie, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm outside. Would say Michael Cyril Craton
Speaker 1: was amazing and he and his stuff was all outdoors
Speaker 1: with Rachel's they managed to light the outdoors. Really right,
Speaker 1: well done movie. Everyone in it is great. But it
Speaker 1: was fucking but subject matter why execution wise it was not.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just very prestigiing, you know what,
Speaker 1: at least like doubt, Like it was stage that was
Speaker 1: fucking violent, streep and the fucking monologues to God, Viola, Davis,
Speaker 1: Fish Finches, ordinary people, Amy Edwards, Edwards Adams ards as
Speaker 1: Amy Adams part I would have got, oh my god,
Speaker 1: James James sister James. Yeah, like that doubt and now
Speaker 1: it's like imitation, like those kind of movies people can
Speaker 1: get through those. There's such a distance I never feel
Speaker 1: close to. And I think that's why I'm like, fucking
Speaker 1: gun to my head when the when the ballot arrives
Speaker 1: in my hand, like I am, you're just I love it,
Speaker 1: Oscar about who has a gun to there? Make make it?
Speaker 1: Make the movie three minutes short that goes to Sunday,
Speaker 1: that's gone to my head. Oscar voting and there's two choices.
Speaker 1: No Lions, No lion make a movie about a bunch
Speaker 1: of faggots who hold an Oscar voter hostage. I had
Speaker 1: an idea, yes, about a woman who goes into a
Speaker 1: coma and wakes up at like she's like fifty five
Speaker 1: years old and she has an Emmy and she has
Speaker 1: no idea how she got it. Idea like, wow, don't
Speaker 1: see a guy, I'm giving it. The I P is
Speaker 1: like a lock for Jordan, Thank god. Wait, what were
Speaker 1: you gonna say? I was gonna say, like, I will
Speaker 1: if I ever do become someone that votes on that
Speaker 1: ship or makes any decisions, I will vote. I will
Speaker 1: vote for the fun ship. It's never going to vote
Speaker 1: for the boring ships. And if Star is Born is
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Picture and everything else is boring, you're
Speaker 1: gonna you will know what I will vote for, honey,
Speaker 1: and it will not be fucking whatever the fuck? Green
Speaker 1: Book is what. It's a movie that everyone's talking about.
Speaker 1: Likeschel Ali and right. It's a weird reverse driving this
Speaker 1: daisy thing right where it's like he's like this like
Speaker 1: vegos playing this like fast talking, somewhat racist dude. And
Speaker 1: then Herschel is just like rolling his eyes in the backseat.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I'll tell you what I saw a first man,
Speaker 1: No thank you, thanks, and the thing is like it's
Speaker 1: really well done, but I don't care. And then you
Speaker 1: know what's fascinating about it is the movie fucking knows
Speaker 1: the most interesting parts. And then the movie comes to
Speaker 1: life when it's about her. And there's this one scene
Speaker 1: spoiler for anyone that hasn't seen it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you guys care, but one of the one of the
Speaker 1: astronauts that is, yes, he does make it um um,
Speaker 1: but one of the astronauts passes away and Apollo one's
Speaker 1: prep mission and his wife, his wife is standing out
Speaker 1: in the passes on. His wife is like standing in
Speaker 1: the street one day, just like staring at it, staring
Speaker 1: at and Clarifloy goes out and it's like, what's going
Speaker 1: on and she just kind of looks at her like
Speaker 1: she doesn't know why she's in the street, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: here's an interesting movie about these wives that had Bally
Speaker 1: like even even like the space of the thing of
Speaker 1: the supportive wife and the only woman in the cast
Speaker 1: is so annoying. But there was this interesting story there
Speaker 1: about like the grief that comes along with and this
Speaker 1: daily trudging along like my husband will probably die. That
Speaker 1: was an interesting thing in the movie which they couldn't
Speaker 1: explore because god forbid, they make a movie about the
Speaker 1: Armstrongs and it's not about something that used to something
Speaker 1: I feel so strongly like well made things pissed me
Speaker 1: off so much because it's like anything you can like
Speaker 1: learn how to do. I don't care, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like math. I'm like, I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: impressed by someone who gets math in the wrong hand
Speaker 1: and yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but like no if it's
Speaker 1: well made and has the soul. But it's like it
Speaker 1: can't just be well man, I'll tell you something. Do
Speaker 1: you speak about doing math? Fucking I loved Hidden Figures.
Speaker 1: I love got to scream and give me Taraji screaming
Speaker 1: in my mind. Like the Hidden Figures poster is them
Speaker 1: walking away from the rocket ship, but then they're in
Speaker 1: like an indoor plaza, like they're walking like unto like tiles,
Speaker 1: but it's just like where is this rocket ship? That
Speaker 1: also connects the truly the most like action packed moment
Speaker 1: in that movie is Taraji getting on the phone to
Speaker 1: call buzz Aldrin that like as he's walking into the rocket,
Speaker 1: like that's that's like the most well high octane. It
Speaker 1: was about something we hadn't seen before and it but
Speaker 1: it's still like tripped like straight white America into going
Speaker 1: because it was about space and you learned about people
Speaker 1: that you had never heard about, and it was can't
Speaker 1: be moments like her running to the bathroom because she
Speaker 1: had to use the segregato bathroom and it's like she
Speaker 1: almost lost her job because she had to run half
Speaker 1: an hour. Aren't you so over trying like having to
Speaker 1: trick straight people into watching just like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say what I need to say, but
Speaker 1: like it's also murder murderer container of all. We had
Speaker 1: like a very long conversation last night with a straight
Speaker 1: guy that like it was just like well, agree to disagree,
Speaker 1: like because and we were trying to be like as
Speaker 1: like no, but like you know, minorities have had a
Speaker 1: really hard time for years, and like it's okay to
Speaker 1: feel victimized and like be vocal about it, like yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have to like you know, like want the
Speaker 1: other side to hear you in order to have progress,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, that's so embarrassing, Like aren't
Speaker 1: you embarrassing? And it's it does it does feel like
Speaker 1: it's like now some some minorities over others. Like I'm
Speaker 1: it's a long story I won't get into, but like
Speaker 1: I've gotten some very like homophobic feedback in the last
Speaker 1: month from from from me, from from Charles M. But
Speaker 1: like the like the common one that like I just
Speaker 1: heard on Friday, it's like, why can't this be a
Speaker 1: show about people who happen to be gay, not a
Speaker 1: gay show, And it's like someone who happens to be gay?
Speaker 1: This is a big I don't think so, honey. I
Speaker 1: have is people saying, well, being gay is just one
Speaker 1: part of me. No, being gay is like a huge
Speaker 1: part of Remember after after t R Night came out
Speaker 1: or was forced to come out of the closet, the
Speaker 1: thing that he said was, but being gay is not
Speaker 1: the most interesting thing about me, and already absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and there's not much more but like his gayness is
Speaker 1: not at the forefront. But whatever, I mean, what if
Speaker 1: it was, like who cares? It's just such a stupid
Speaker 1: thing that we've learned to say because straight people need
Speaker 1: to hear it, and that is wrong progressive to them,
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to say. Still it's crazy. They're like,
Speaker 1: I think I had like aunts be like you know what, Matthew,
Speaker 1: when when they first found out I was gay, they
Speaker 1: were like, you know, we don't even care, like and
Speaker 1: we would love anyone that you brought over here. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this is like the thing that you're
Speaker 1: supposed to say. But like say saying because I don't
Speaker 1: need this, or just like great, great, I like saying
Speaker 1: I don't care to someone who comes out. It's not
Speaker 1: you're literally being like I don't care. It's been there,
Speaker 1: so I have to say I don't care. It's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more like this thing of like you know what,
Speaker 1: it's nobody's business and we support you, but we're telling
Speaker 1: you it's nobody's business. It's like, well, everyone else's sexual
Speaker 1: proclivities are my whole fucking ye. The way they sell everything,
Speaker 1: the way that everything is marketed to us, everything everything
Speaker 1: else that I said this literally to that Shrike guy
Speaker 1: last night. I was like, you have to understand that,
Speaker 1: like every structure that your people has built is the
Speaker 1: world we live in. Like literally the words we speak
Speaker 1: were created by right, right, So like how could you
Speaker 1: not see that? Like, well that a disadvantage And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: what he was saying, I know because he was saying
Speaker 1: I had I said everyone is homophobic, and he was
Speaker 1: like that's not true, and I was like no, but
Speaker 1: everyone is, like we are all participating in America, which
Speaker 1: is a homophobic institution, so by proxy, everyone is homophobic, everyone,
Speaker 1: every single person. And he was like, but that means
Speaker 1: like everyone hates gay people and I was like no, no,
Speaker 1: it literally doesn't. It means like even growing up, if
Speaker 1: you said like that's gay, you're a homophobic person. And
Speaker 1: he could not accept that. That was like he's like
Speaker 1: anything incidental isn't an act of aggression, and it's like
Speaker 1: it is like it just is like everything that participates
Speaker 1: in badness is he's not and it doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: can not be a good person like and just like
Speaker 1: exercise self awareness and want to be better. Totally. It's
Speaker 1: that thing where it's like someone can't accept whatever implicit
Speaker 1: bias they have in terms of races, then this this
Speaker 1: disqualifies me as a good personal Like I can't It's
Speaker 1: like no, just my personhood when you say I might
Speaker 1: have prigs and that is not It's like what we
Speaker 1: have to start telling straight people is like, don't worry,
Speaker 1: this isn't about you, and you're actually that's the that's
Speaker 1: the worst thing that you can hear that, But that's
Speaker 1: what they're asking. That's literally what they're asking for their like,
Speaker 1: I will join your effort as long as I'm not
Speaker 1: burdened by my own experience, as long as you tell
Speaker 1: me I'm doing a good job. They're also freaking out
Speaker 1: that word like not talking about them as much like
Speaker 1: they're like used to being talked about all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like with First Man, the controversy around it being
Speaker 1: like they didn't show the American flag being put into
Speaker 1: the Moon's surface and they're saying it actually it kind
Speaker 1: of flapped, and they're saying like a big reason why,
Speaker 1: um is because Ted Cruise fucking rang the bell on
Speaker 1: it and he said to conservatives, don't spend your money
Speaker 1: on this because it's anti American, And that's all people
Speaker 1: need to hear. Even make you for them, it makes you.
Speaker 1: I was I had to drink with Ruby Ruby the
Speaker 1: world just meet her recently? Yes, And is the most
Speaker 1: I have never and I love herself, but she we
Speaker 1: were talking about like how all of this ship happening
Speaker 1: and all the like this this stuff I'm going through
Speaker 1: with like my projects being too gay for people, and
Speaker 1: it like it makes you want to go underground, like
Speaker 1: you're just like okay, then like then you don't want it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like then like I'm never going to impress you, so
Speaker 1: like I just like have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: like make my stuff. Who wanted the underground now? Though
Speaker 1: I guess it's just for the internet then, But I
Speaker 1: don't think there isn't. I think there needs to be
Speaker 1: a research and I think there is. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because we before we have this podcast, we would
Speaker 1: go in and pitch the people and they would tell
Speaker 1: us every single time two niche two n two. Now
Speaker 1: we're succeeding with the most niche fucking thing ever, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you never gave it a chance. And
Speaker 1: then to hear from those same people that they want
Speaker 1: to be a part of it, it's it's it's safe.
Speaker 1: And John actually talked about it too early. He was like,
Speaker 1: when you call me niche, you might as well just
Speaker 1: call me a faggot, Like, we know what you are saying.
Speaker 1: Do you know what you're saying? Um? Do we call
Speaker 1: them out? Like? Do you like when I was too
Speaker 1: young too and to experience? Now I would and now
Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, here's the thing you asked to
Speaker 1: meet with, Matt Rogers. You know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you brought us in the room because you liked us.
Speaker 1: This is us and we know what us is. You don't,
Speaker 1: And I get that that's hard to and you guys
Speaker 1: must deal with it all the time, getting network notes.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I speak to our close friends
Speaker 1: about the notes that they get on their projects and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's frustrating to hear from people who
Speaker 1: think they know you better than than you. And yes
Speaker 1: they are negotiating a lot um, but still it's like,
Speaker 1: take a fucking chance to be brave about the stuff
Speaker 1: that you like or otherwise, just get some fucking C
Speaker 1: C plus talent in here and they'll do whatever you
Speaker 1: say and don't ask to me with me. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're not going to make what I want to make. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you were we were having this conversation, you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about all the ship that's going on like
Speaker 1: in the industry or just in the world in general.
Speaker 1: Both both. It's like, what what I'm experiencing with the
Speaker 1: thing I'm going through right now is people being like
Speaker 1: it's too risky, so it limits the audience. And they're
Speaker 1: right because like it is so divided that like some
Speaker 1: the people who aren't going to like it are going
Speaker 1: to hate it and they're not gonna watch it. So
Speaker 1: it's like, if the goal is to have everyone in
Speaker 1: the universe like yourself, like you're gonna be a shitty
Speaker 1: art now, yeah, it's gonna be the worst. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so like right now, I feel like everyone is like
Speaker 1: they're not like they're not on the right side, they're
Speaker 1: not on the right whatever, but they're trying to find
Speaker 1: things so close to the middle that they can pretend
Speaker 1: to be liberal and still make shitty Stiff already have
Speaker 1: the liberal peak and TV like, and I feel like
Speaker 1: now it's going down. I would agree because and I
Speaker 1: like the show, but marvelous Mrs Mason, but the first
Speaker 1: party is baseline marvelous, Mrs masl I think is you
Speaker 1: saw it one that comedy, I mean, sweep the Emmys,
Speaker 1: it does well, and we have all agreed it exists
Speaker 1: or something. It is a pitch on the paper that
Speaker 1: everyone said. This is something that the most people will
Speaker 1: like because it's going to satisfy people who want female stories,
Speaker 1: who want stories about you know, women in comedy, specific
Speaker 1: stories because it is a specific story. It's also like
Speaker 1: takes place in an era of time when we were
Speaker 1: nostalgic for it looks good. You know, um, it's a chance,
Speaker 1: and you know what, Like I get why it is successful.
Speaker 1: I also think it is emblematic of what you were saying,
Speaker 1: which is not it's not a risk, no, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just sucks that like we we again came up
Speaker 1: and in generation that it's like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: maybe we can do this. It's in a real way,
Speaker 1: and like maybe we can like get real money to
Speaker 1: make our stuff and not do it John Waters style
Speaker 1: and not spend like a thousand dollars on a movie.
Speaker 1: And so like now if it turns back, that's like
Speaker 1: such like oh my god, like I have to rethink
Speaker 1: everything that I've worked and you think I am like
Speaker 1: experiencing it so hard right now. So like i I'm
Speaker 1: who knows though, like in two years, it's like everything
Speaker 1: is gonna be like, there's five Netflix is that you
Speaker 1: have to sign up for, and like each one is
Speaker 1: going to have seven thousand pieces of content and no
Speaker 1: one will ever remember a single artist in history, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's gonna do. I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: just the fact that John and Kate couldn't get there
Speaker 1: exact and with so many platforms out there, not one
Speaker 1: of them would buy that show. We saw, we saw it.
Speaker 1: It was great, it was them, and there is an
Speaker 1: audience for that, and it's just like, seriously, these are
Speaker 1: two of the most talented people coming in the world,
Speaker 1: in the world. Can I see one thing about marvelous
Speaker 1: Mrs Basel, Yes, I can't believe that font that I
Speaker 1: dream like cocktail font with sparkles is because like to
Speaker 1: see that on a billboard and be like, that's a
Speaker 1: great show. You know. I like the show and Rachel
Speaker 1: Brown Anna is a friend, and I think she's so
Speaker 1: talented and she's amazing on the show. But the title
Speaker 1: of the show drives me insane, and I just think
Speaker 1: it's not a risk show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It looks like Nanny McPhee, Like from the n McPhee.
Speaker 1: It looks like she must be a witch. Rights like
Speaker 1: like she's marvelous. She's gonna a pretty little witch. Got
Speaker 1: up to some tricks in this shows. In this show,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some tricks happening. Yeah, now you know
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Speaker 1: she was there was no reason for her to wear
Speaker 1: that nose, but she wore that nose broad drama. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you don't believe the Destroyer trailer. Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: She is in this new movie called Destroyer, and she
Speaker 1: plays like a woman who's going to kill everyone. It's
Speaker 1: like a d glam thing. But it's so funny that
Speaker 1: woman puts on a wig and she is a wig actress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is boy e rased. She like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: these people don't go together like Lucas Hedges wrestle. This
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Speaker 1: was slowly dying in a trailer somewhere and now and
Speaker 1: and the goal given in like full Dallas. It's like, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: this is not an American family I have ever seen.
Speaker 1: Everyone is in a different drag in that movie. I mean,
Speaker 1: that might be the closest thing we're gonna get this
Speaker 1: year to a broad drama. Boy race, is that fair
Speaker 1: to say? Well? The thing is, did you see actually
Speaker 1: the Bible up? And he's like, do I throw it?
Speaker 1: Like in it be in box lux might bee like,
Speaker 1: is glam glam drags? Have you seen this trailer for
Speaker 1: this movie Natalie Portman in box Box. It's essentially she's
Speaker 1: playing Lady Gaga And I know what, do you know
Speaker 1: what the movie is about? It? Well, she's not the
Speaker 1: main character. It's Jude Laws the main well sort of,
Speaker 1: so Natalie Portman takes over the second half of the
Speaker 1: movie or half of the movie. And if it's non linear,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But the movie is about a girl
Speaker 1: who survives a school shooting and during a tribute to
Speaker 1: her classmates that have died, she does a performance and
Speaker 1: they sign her to a records and Lady Gaga pop star,
Speaker 1: and it's about the trauma of that being the reality
Speaker 1: of her success. I love that. I feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I had such concerns for Ama Gonzalez. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: too famous. You don't like she's she's like, she's a
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's the new doctor who God, But
Speaker 1: that you're famous now you don't know how to deal
Speaker 1: with its show or and the other one and the
Speaker 1: other one to David and you want to know why,
Speaker 1: It's because they're both attractive kids. And the thing is
Speaker 1: like you want you worry about what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: with someone like that that and you have to think me. Media,
Speaker 1: they look at you and they don't think message. They
Speaker 1: think money. Yeah, that's that's true. You Bowen, that's me.
Speaker 1: They will get you and they say money message. No,
Speaker 1: Bowe has no message. Absolutely yes, sex message. He's not
Speaker 1: a message. I think Fox Loox looks really good. But
Speaker 1: don't the fact that that's what it's about make you
Speaker 1: want to see it more because it But don't the
Speaker 1: fact that that's what it's about. Yeah, that's me, that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. This is mckensas mckensis. This is a
Speaker 1: call back to mckensas my characters. I saw this character
Speaker 1: that you worked with, right, just marry the ketchups. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, somebody you work with that like a restaurant,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who was married? I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: She was like, just go marry the Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I got an altercation with someone at work
Speaker 1: and the way she ended the conversation was to go
Speaker 1: marry the catch. That was the end of that. Whether
Speaker 1: I did it or not, I was bad at my sidework.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, But are we like um part
Speaker 1: of like your crew, do you feel like like on
Speaker 1: the periphery on look at you too? And I'm just
Speaker 1: like I'm a little bit like inspirational. Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: they're doing something. I feel like you guys are having
Speaker 1: we look I want to be part of that New
Speaker 1: York I think, what can I say? What this is?
Speaker 1: This isn't New York and l a thing because I
Speaker 1: think I think the way I see like, oh, you
Speaker 1: guys in Los Angeles and like you guys are like working,
Speaker 1: and I think you guys see us in New York
Speaker 1: and we're like performing. And Sudi says this sometimes where
Speaker 1: she says, like study at like at like four, got
Speaker 1: her job at U S and now and so she
Speaker 1: sometimes I say to her, like, God, you have like
Speaker 1: this job. You have this like boss ass job is
Speaker 1: like all this cool stuff. And she says, but you
Speaker 1: guys are out there, and I was like, you know
Speaker 1: you're the grass is always. But I look at you
Speaker 1: guys and I think doing a cool fucking show that
Speaker 1: everyone loves that you guys like must be to stand
Speaker 1: by because it's such a good show. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: what's better than Search Party? John should be up for
Speaker 1: an Emmy. You should be up for a perennially and
Speaker 1: should be and and the show should be up for
Speaker 1: writing Emmies and directing amazing, and you know it should be.
Speaker 1: And I think people do think of it as a
Speaker 1: prestige thing. But it's this weird thing because I do
Speaker 1: watch these awards races and it's like this attitude about
Speaker 1: knowing that something is better than everything else, but saying
Speaker 1: we have to count out because of the network. It's
Speaker 1: the same story with crazy ex girlfriend. You know, well
Speaker 1: both of them have like a queer perspective. And even
Speaker 1: though like Search Pretty is an overtly gay, I mean
Speaker 1: it's gotten like it it entered the door not gay,
Speaker 1: and it's gotten gay and especially this season. But like
Speaker 1: I think just like queer perspective is like, oh well
Speaker 1: that's good and that should go over here and we
Speaker 1: should adore it that we shouldn't like let it in
Speaker 1: all the way. And it's like you kind of have
Speaker 1: to be and this isn't this is disagreeing with what
Speaker 1: you're saying. It's different, but like you kind of have
Speaker 1: to be like boy or race or something, you know,
Speaker 1: like where it's like here's gay and like the most
Speaker 1: obvious for in order, it is like it's that like
Speaker 1: it is niche, like no matter what, like, but these
Speaker 1: things that are there are so many things that are
Speaker 1: nominated that are also niche. I think it genuinely comes
Speaker 1: down to like the politics of the hole. You don't
Speaker 1: see a representation of the best off. You see a
Speaker 1: representation of the best or it slips through the cracks
Speaker 1: because it's like at Homes with Amy Sierris, where it's like,
Speaker 1: but there's no competition. It's like, yeah, comedy is a
Speaker 1: big competition that Schmidt. Yeah, and as as long as
Speaker 1: it's as long as it's a thing, it will be
Speaker 1: up there. And I love Kimmy Schmidt is the only
Speaker 1: funny comedy up there because Atlanta is great comedy. Marvel's
Speaker 1: Mail is good. It's well made, but it's not imagine
Speaker 1: imagine like laughing out loud. I left out, I left
Speaker 1: my fucking ass off the Unbreakable because there's jokes. These
Speaker 1: other shows don't have the jokes. When she's like I
Speaker 1: left the tuna in the fridge to long. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: set up and that show is broad that is brought
Speaker 1: Tina Fey gets brought. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she really
Speaker 1: does braces camp. She does. Should we move on to Jordan? Jordan?
Speaker 1: I was like, I really was thinking so hard about
Speaker 1: this and answer answer going to say it's so pretentious.
Speaker 1: But I felt like the first thing I fell head
Speaker 1: over heels in love with was Sondheim. And that's that's
Speaker 1: the moment I realized that I wasn't ever going to
Speaker 1: be in real culture because like I would like try
Speaker 1: to introduce Sondheim to like my high school friends and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't get it. At still, did you take all
Speaker 1: your friends to Todd? I took us all. I said.
Speaker 1: I knew I had a premonition that like this wasn't
Speaker 1: the thing I was going to sell down. I like,
Speaker 1: but I brought friends over to watch Into the Wood,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing into the Woods, like people left
Speaker 1: the recording of Burne. They don't get it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, if you if, like if the thing
Speaker 1: that is like making my heart star more than anything,
Speaker 1: like that's making me think in a different way than
Speaker 1: had isn't being understood, like this is just what I
Speaker 1: have to Like that just speaks to you sort of
Speaker 1: having a more advanced taste brain, brain, What did you
Speaker 1: saying that night at the Duke Pus that you came
Speaker 1: in with Clarry Owens. You say, he says, Sunday in
Speaker 1: the park and then you said, you know, you might
Speaker 1: have saying ladies who want great? Oh yeah I remember, yeah, yeah, yeah, yo,
Speaker 1: oh my god. That was that was that was a
Speaker 1: wonderful moment. And that was the first time we met
Speaker 1: in person. I think so because we had been internet friends.
Speaker 1: I don't even think we were internet friends. I don't
Speaker 1: think the first night I thought you weren't like wanted
Speaker 1: me gone, No, oh my god. Something. That was always
Speaker 1: a weird negotiating thing for me because I was the
Speaker 1: first lady of the duke Pus at that time, because
Speaker 1: Henry was my betrothed. Yeah yeah, and so people coming
Speaker 1: in you were like a little like not even people
Speaker 1: coming in. I was always just kind of like negotiating,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to make sure everyone's having was having fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is actually, now that you think about, that's
Speaker 1: what I sensed. It was like there, like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was hosting. Yeah exactly. And honestly, I would
Speaker 1: love to to sing again. So I don't get That's
Speaker 1: like one part of me that like I have completely
Speaker 1: lost and I miss singing. Can I tell you something?
Speaker 1: I hate that that's the impression I gave off because
Speaker 1: not the first time. Don't don't worry. But like my
Speaker 1: manager Karat told me that the first time she met me,
Speaker 1: she still thought I was being c U n T
Speaker 1: y to her and I was like, I hope, I
Speaker 1: don't like give off this her words. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: just like I don't. I hope that's not the impression
Speaker 1: I give up. Well maybe maybe like maybe there was
Speaker 1: like a few months where you were doing that and
Speaker 1: like now you're overhead? Was it as terrible plague? And
Speaker 1: don't the fact that you were struggling mean that you
Speaker 1: do you do that to him? Don't you feel that?
Speaker 1: Don't like? Um, that's that's a great answer. So the
Speaker 1: best best show for you? But yeah, what do you love?
Speaker 1: I mean the one the first one that, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like Sunday was so huge for but then Comedy
Speaker 1: was also really huge for me. Those I would say,
Speaker 1: those are my two and I have very soft spot for.
Speaker 1: We're going to see Company. We're seeing Company in London. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey was telling us, you guys are all going to
Speaker 1: the Christmas. Yes, he did tell us that that sounds
Speaker 1: Wait can everyone say there sometimes? Yeah, I mean Mine
Speaker 1: is Mine is basically I think it's like a masterpiece.
Speaker 1: Mine is Sweeney. I mean I just think it's talk
Speaker 1: about specific and blowing it out and just music, the performances.
Speaker 1: I love that you can still argue about character motivations.
Speaker 1: I loved the way that it can be interpreted so
Speaker 1: many different ways. I just watch watching that comedy as
Speaker 1: an adult, I'm like, that is Sanheim is such the
Speaker 1: artists you look up to because you knew where he
Speaker 1: was at in his life every show and it's like
Speaker 1: you watched Sween and you're like, oh, like he really
Speaker 1: had a darkness about what life was like. That show
Speaker 1: is so about how humanity is bad. And so I've
Speaker 1: been in those places and like to make pieces of
Speaker 1: art like reflecting everything you feel in a certain time period.
Speaker 1: And it's like companies all about being single. Merrily is
Speaker 1: all about dreams, like like you see like at what
Speaker 1: he was feeling at every stage. It's just it's Shakespearean,
Speaker 1: I feel, I mean, the characters are I just at
Speaker 1: any time there's a performance of it, I always seek
Speaker 1: it out, whether on any level, because I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I just love this and that some of the music
Speaker 1: is so truly beautiful. I mean it's startling, and I
Speaker 1: love that it's scary. It is scary. It is very scary.
Speaker 1: I mean the music is shocking everyone everyone's filthy, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like a beggar. The movie bothered me so much,
Speaker 1: But even the movie, I'm like, I'll still watch it
Speaker 1: because it's Sweeney and I still think there's good things.
Speaker 1: Then it wasn't shot for a musical either, just it was.
Speaker 1: It was a total mist but the world want to
Speaker 1: be in it no matter what. There's things about it
Speaker 1: I love, like like I like, I think that Helen
Speaker 1: and Bottom Carter shouldn't have been cast in the part.
Speaker 1: But there's elements of her performance I like. I like
Speaker 1: her team being like really racked about the things she's doing.
Speaker 1: I love that how obviously in love with him she was.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the way Angela Lansbury plays it, it's like so
Speaker 1: wacky that I missed her motivations and I know that's
Speaker 1: kind of like I think, don't you feel like she
Speaker 1: was like like, instead of singing to like you, she
Speaker 1: was singing to the back of her head. Yes, like
Speaker 1: she was like trying to bo Yeah, don't you feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean you couldn't understand the words, which is at
Speaker 1: least bite then and if you can't understand the words
Speaker 1: in a Sondheim thing, yeah, yeah, every song is just
Speaker 1: there's a whole world in every song. I love that.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel Like with the Helen and Bottom Carter,
Speaker 1: You're always like she's like your friend. That's like up
Speaker 1: there at the talent show and you're like, please win,
Speaker 1: Like you are like please please, like they kind of
Speaker 1: miss the mark and you're like, but I do know her,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, I mean, and you know what. The
Speaker 1: thing about her is just like do something different. You know,
Speaker 1: I think her best performances Beltrick's strange, it is, that's
Speaker 1: her freest. Yeah, that's not even do something different, it's
Speaker 1: like do what you do well as well as as
Speaker 1: well as you can. I agree with you. I send
Speaker 1: what I said oceans Ate like exposed like her, what's
Speaker 1: like crazy about her as an actor? It was just
Speaker 1: like every it was like she had nineteen reactions to
Speaker 1: one sense and they would keep all of the name
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, cut away from her,
Speaker 1: away from her she was like, no, she was just
Speaker 1: giving you options to all the are you crazy? You
Speaker 1: can do not batty, she can do grounded like big
Speaker 1: Fish was her just Oh my god, I should hope
Speaker 1: everything what happens that Then I recently said on this
Speaker 1: pod that makes me cry every time. I used to
Speaker 1: watch it if I needed to cry, and then I
Speaker 1: watch Yes still to this day. Well I still haven't
Speaker 1: seen Company, and I still haven't seen Assassins, but Assassins
Speaker 1: and there's probably something else I still haven't seen. But
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean because like I always, I
Speaker 1: knew Into the Woods really well before we started dating.
Speaker 1: Then Jordan's we went to go see a few more
Speaker 1: son and things, and I would say it's between Merrily
Speaker 1: and um sending the partner George, like I can't like Merrily.
Speaker 1: I was like we saw in l A. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty good production and overall and I was Wayne Brady,
Speaker 1: Wayne Brady. It was next resented, resented every moment of
Speaker 1: doing got Lyne. I think he was on pills, Like
Speaker 1: I really think he's like gone, no he in oh sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like wait, but like he has yesterday own
Speaker 1: like that whole Like Fran he literally was for foreting.
Speaker 1: It's such a gift to have that be given that song. Yeah, God, Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just love the like all
Speaker 1: this stuff about success and like the sadness of like
Speaker 1: friendships part and like I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I felt that now and like just like harnessing that
Speaker 1: energy of like hope, Like don't you are you so
Speaker 1: nostalgic for being so young and hopeful? Like when I
Speaker 1: first move so genius that the most positive song is
Speaker 1: this last song and when you first moved to New
Speaker 1: York and you're like looking up at that, like you
Speaker 1: saw the light on the buildings and you were just
Speaker 1: like fuck my future and it was so like powerful.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like I'm late. It's like nothing, It's
Speaker 1: like I'm so hungry. That's like that's my thoughts now.
Speaker 1: And then you welcome around for thirty minutes because you
Speaker 1: can't decide what to eat and that's this morning. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just sad about our time, I know. Or what's
Speaker 1: the other one though? Um? I mean the song where
Speaker 1: they're all like putting on the play together up door?
Speaker 1: That was that? The show in Ladybird too, was that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which yeah, yeah, it's such a happiness March blind Mark, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is boring, but I feel like Sunday Too or
Speaker 1: Into the Ones was the first thing I saw, just
Speaker 1: like the Tap, like Sumter because it says everything about
Speaker 1: every every single thing, and like, um, and I thought
Speaker 1: that movie was a lot closer. I actually didn't. There's
Speaker 1: a few things that I was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see James Cordon in my life ever, and likely
Speaker 1: Blunt was fine, but I just thought like it like
Speaker 1: she was good. I just really like to til and
Speaker 1: too fake. At the same time, I get that like
Speaker 1: the look of it was not music. They're all They're
Speaker 1: all well, I have a theory. I have a theory
Speaker 1: about why musical movies don't work now, just because like
Speaker 1: for musical to work, it has to look fake enough
Speaker 1: that you could suspend your dis believe that people are singing,
Speaker 1: and like when they look real, you're like, wait, my
Speaker 1: brain doesn't understand, Like it just seems that why why
Speaker 1: like old movie musicals work and like New Ones, it's
Speaker 1: the same problems like Trassic World or any of these movies.
Speaker 1: It's like I can't tell what c G I like,
Speaker 1: I just just stopped my eyes hurt book. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like I'm not impressed. Like after two minutes,
Speaker 1: I'm not impressed, and it looks wrong. They're going to
Speaker 1: suck up my kid, aren't they. They're going to suck
Speaker 1: up Lion King. I mean, Wicked is like if it
Speaker 1: gets funked up, it's kind of fun to suck it up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't need it to be the best, but I
Speaker 1: know other people have that. Like, No, Arianna is doing it.
Speaker 1: She's going to be She's going to be. She could
Speaker 1: be Glenda. She would be a better, would be a
Speaker 1: better Linda. I can't have any of the comic personality. No,
Speaker 1: you do not have to be an actress to play Alpha,
Speaker 1: to be an actress to Glenda? Righty funny. I'm sew
Speaker 1: in my head about this. Who's gonna play Linda? Joel said,
Speaker 1: this actress Dove Cameron, Who's who is in Very Good?
Speaker 1: Who's in Hair Spray Live? Yes, she played Tussle and
Speaker 1: that was a very were like enough did we like her? Mean?
Speaker 1: I wanted this is annoying, but I wanted Anne Hathaway
Speaker 1: and Kristin Bell. But now they're too old, right, I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't want to see Kristen Bell
Speaker 1: do that. I don't think she's right for it, but
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I don't think I know every choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like I could probably do every choice that she
Speaker 1: would be. I don't agree. I think I think she's
Speaker 1: like a dark, bitchy energy that I think that good place,
Speaker 1: A good place which I didn't see from her before.
Speaker 1: Can Margot Robbie saying she'd be good? We were like
Speaker 1: she cannot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like too much
Speaker 1: of like a I'm a huge fan. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: really know her besides Titania, She's she's you know, who
Speaker 1: would be a fucking amazing Linda is Vanessa Bear Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like it would be so genuinely funny and like but
Speaker 1: like Glenda has like a weird, froggy voice as like
Speaker 1: she needs that. Yeah, Like I don't know, especially like
Speaker 1: young people. I don't know how Nicky Cameron or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh she sucks, like just because I don't
Speaker 1: like any young person. I don't know. I'm like author
Speaker 1: a shoe store, I don't I don't know there's store
Speaker 1: Dove Cameron's Instagram is Instave Cameron. I just remember one time,
Speaker 1: like Jennifer Hudson, who I follow on Instagram, posted Dove
Speaker 1: Cameron singing and you're just hearing the background Jennifer Hudson
Speaker 1: and going. She just looks like she's one of those
Speaker 1: people who like is She's like she's the female Zaccaffron,
Speaker 1: where she's so good at this thing, and then like
Speaker 1: she puts on like gender drag, like aggressive dragged to
Speaker 1: be like I'm a woman or I'm a mask. Dude.
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, this is Dove Dove camera cameras. Where
Speaker 1: is that? Zac eFront is like right right right, right,
Speaker 1: right right right, Um, okay is it time? It's time? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. I don't think so, and I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Sorry for did we have to come
Speaker 1: with stuff for the podcast? You know what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like we don't really have I I thought I had one,
Speaker 1: and then I found out that John Early has been
Speaker 1: doing like a whole set about it for like years.
Speaker 1: Well why you just go off the cuff, go off
Speaker 1: the wet. A couple of times like the one I'm
Speaker 1: going to do to night is like not, so then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go first and then and then you guys go,
Speaker 1: I think, but it's not like you don't have a
Speaker 1: trouball situation, so we should have something. Yes, yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: is there anything in this bag? Muffin? Okay, muffin? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: they're mostly dry. Yeah. I mean there's a good part
Speaker 1: and it's the top and the rest of it is
Speaker 1: a fucking night. You have something. I have something, right,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so on the
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so honey barbecue like
Speaker 1: barbecue food. I don't think because you're sucking sticky, you
Speaker 1: really like you fill me up immediately. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey or sweetie or a sweetheart food that the
Speaker 1: second I've taken two bites of you, I'm full. Because
Speaker 1: I like to enjoy everything. I don't think so honey barbecue.
Speaker 1: Whenever you are in front of me, I ate the
Speaker 1: mac and cheese and then mashed first, watch I go
Speaker 1: to you last. I don't think so honey barbecue. There's
Speaker 1: a lot other foods I'd rather eat. Here are some
Speaker 1: Japanese food. Here's another one. Fast. Honestly, any sort of
Speaker 1: fast food. I would rather ingest it than you barbecue bitch.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Also, every single barbecue restaurant
Speaker 1: there's a long ass line because a lot of these
Speaker 1: other motherfucker's like barbecue, and that's good for those honies,
Speaker 1: but for me, I don't think so, honey. I'd rather
Speaker 1: go to let's list, uh southern restaurant, which is never mind.
Speaker 1: I went to Timberlakes Restaurant UM in New York and
Speaker 1: it was trash. It was not good, and don't go there.
Speaker 1: It's a barbecue joint. And I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: That is I tell you the feeling full thing, and
Speaker 1: you're right like three by immediately you really with barbecue,
Speaker 1: with ribs, with like barbecue anything. You start eating it
Speaker 1: and you're like something about the like hearty smell of
Speaker 1: it or something, but you're always and you get tricked
Speaker 1: by barbecue because you think you want to eat it
Speaker 1: because barbecue sauce is good aroma. And then you're hungry
Speaker 1: and you said there and you're like, oh wow, I
Speaker 1: I'm so full. And also like ordinarily you'll have like
Speaker 1: a beer with barbecue and then you're filled full with
Speaker 1: that chips are pretty good. The barbecue chips. I think
Speaker 1: you think that's the same thing. Yeah, no, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it's an exception. And I want to say something.
Speaker 1: I am all about barbecues, the events, the events they
Speaker 1: bring people together, the people together, it's the it's the
Speaker 1: actual cuisine. It's not of barbe don't know he's never
Speaker 1: never had a burger, You've never done so many things.
Speaker 1: You never watched television? Do you ever watched TV? Andy
Speaker 1: barbecue at the same time, No, honey, because I'm famously
Speaker 1: very much of Charles Rogers, I don't watch television or
Speaker 1: clearly I'm on the record, I don't think so, honey. Barbecue. Wow,
Speaker 1: we're family. Probably we were. We probably are. And then
Speaker 1: Jordan and I related. That's why when he was He's like,
Speaker 1: why am I not in New York? Welcome be there.
Speaker 1: We leave it with different like we came in like
Speaker 1: you guys aren't dating. I'm just kidding. Um. That was
Speaker 1: that was a miss of thank you. I just felt
Speaker 1: I felt I needed to say it. Thank you. And
Speaker 1: now it's Bowen Yank's time because I've done this before.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you know when I if you have
Speaker 1: done it before I will stop tap me. This is
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, me not getting a sucking.
Speaker 1: I voted stick in my absent and I've done this.
Speaker 1: Stop the clock, Stop the clock. How many times did
Speaker 1: you vote it? This week? This week you did this?
Speaker 1: I got I got two ballots in the mail. It's
Speaker 1: it's that that that is a trap for fraud for
Speaker 1: the man by the way that has to stay in.
Speaker 1: That'll stay in. That's fine, that's fine. Um okay, I've
Speaker 1: got something. And this is the second attempt at this.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Time starts out. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Sacks Fifth Avenue, bitch. These Gucci shoes
Speaker 1: that I just bought us my present to myself for
Speaker 1: my birthday were too expensive, but I made an exception.
Speaker 1: But honey, we it just opened up my eyes to
Speaker 1: this whole new world and thinking, shouldn't everyone be afforded
Speaker 1: the privilege of wearing a deconstructed uh Kenzo sweater? I
Speaker 1: mean god, I mean, like, who these are? These? These are?
Speaker 1: These are bullshit markers of status that I think, um
Speaker 1: should just be completely democratized. And for the price point
Speaker 1: to be so egregiously high is truly a travesty, you
Speaker 1: know what. I think Sacks is the next to fall
Speaker 1: and with with the Lord and Taylor's of the world,
Speaker 1: I think, or I think we're I will mourn the
Speaker 1: day that Sacks, you know, leaves all of our lives.
Speaker 1: But I mean we're ELSEI whatever. What I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is these shoes that I a bought were too expensive.
Speaker 1: And I also do want to just tell everyone that
Speaker 1: I bought my Scucci shoes for for my birthday and um,
Speaker 1: you know what, like that's like me just like becoming
Speaker 1: more self actualized as a person as I move into
Speaker 1: my thirties. Um, and I hope everyone knows that I
Speaker 1: have it figured out. And that's one minute, you know,
Speaker 1: you bow and yang he she do love to spend
Speaker 1: a dollar or two on the clothing items. It's important.
Speaker 1: It's important if it makes you feel fat, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: like that's that's I'm capping it. I think that's I think,
Speaker 1: like I buy thousands of articles of clothing for cheap,
Speaker 1: and like I think it is nice to buy like
Speaker 1: a fewer things but expensive. I have discovered this too.
Speaker 1: I feel better about the quality of the stuff I'm wearing.
Speaker 1: I'd rather pay fifty dollars for one good shirt than
Speaker 1: each two advantage kick though, like I found my places
Speaker 1: in l A and I'm like, I can't stop. That's okay,
Speaker 1: But sometimes is also like quality. I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you don't keep buying clothes, it's like you can't like
Speaker 1: grow your personality is And that's why America's falling. It's
Speaker 1: a close thing. It's a close thing. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go in the same order we asked culture questions. Solder
Speaker 1: Charles First, this is impt and this is Charles Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Is I don't think so, honey, And this time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Eye contact psychotic. It is
Speaker 1: a rule by God. It doesn't make sense. It puts
Speaker 1: you in your head. It's the most natural and most
Speaker 1: easy thing that you're ever supposed to do, and somehow
Speaker 1: it has started wars. It is true. What I fucking
Speaker 1: really hate is during a comedy and someone like there's
Speaker 1: like on screen, something's funny happening, the whole audience last,
Speaker 1: and then somebody turns to you and tries to share
Speaker 1: a laugh. Evil psychotic behavior you're not going to enter
Speaker 1: your soul. And the second you say eye contact, all
Speaker 1: bets are off. Nobody can look each other in the eyes.
Speaker 1: It starts normal eye contact. We can't even relate. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: We should gauge your eyes out, we should replace them.
Speaker 1: I don't know, honey, I contact. Let's see what else
Speaker 1: I hate about eye contact. I hate. I hate that
Speaker 1: when I can see how people think of me when
Speaker 1: they look at me, and I said, the micro microaggressions.
Speaker 1: Even looking at you right now, I can see, I see,
Speaker 1: I see a guardedness. I seem do the thing where
Speaker 1: when I am laughing at something in a large movement,
Speaker 1: will turn and do it. So scary to receive that.
Speaker 1: Usually that means you're my favorite person there. That's so sweet. Sweet.
Speaker 1: I didn't do that in my best friend, my best
Speaker 1: my best friend, Allison, I wrote in her yearbook. UM,
Speaker 1: I know you don't say cute things like this, but
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that whenever we're watching
Speaker 1: something and I think some things funny, I always look
Speaker 1: at you first to see if you think it's funny too.
Speaker 1: That's really so. It's like a dependency. It's like a
Speaker 1: dependence coach, it's let's enjoy it together. I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that. I feel that. That's I always grab
Speaker 1: you and look at you. Yeah, I've never had a
Speaker 1: laugh to myself. When we see something, you guys laugh together.
Speaker 1: That's nice. We always laugh together. I'm doing more like
Speaker 1: strange like people you don't know. It's more like friends friends. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but that happens, and it's wild. There's somebody I went
Speaker 1: in what you with who was like that horse like
Speaker 1: it was like, honestly, sometimes I use eye contact, like
Speaker 1: at bars and stuff like, I use eye contact as
Speaker 1: like a thing of like just so you know, I
Speaker 1: do want to suck you. One time, one time it
Speaker 1: really almost not it works a lot, but one time
Speaker 1: it worked with this guy I really liked where I
Speaker 1: was like, I get I grilled them eye contact and
Speaker 1: he was like we should hang out, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't. And sometimes it's a trap, like when both
Speaker 1: people just can't stop looking at each other's eye and
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know how to even speak a word.
Speaker 1: But you you like, you use eye contact for evil
Speaker 1: and not good, Like we said we were going to fire.
Speaker 1: But he'll like he'll like the way he likes to
Speaker 1: his eye contact is like, remember when you were on
Speaker 1: the subway, you had this thing you were doing a
Speaker 1: lot where he would just pick when a star at me,
Speaker 1: just like just and not break eye contact. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the caricature of me is evil. Though you should say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like too many podcasts. We were like, I'm a
Speaker 1: socio bat. It's not good for bragging about how many podcasts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Alright, Okay, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: have a minute of material for this. You don't realize
Speaker 1: and Jordan's firstmans, I don't think so, honey, time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Portrait mode is it looks
Speaker 1: so fucking shitty. It looks like someone used a fucking
Speaker 1: eraser and then erase everything outside of you and erase
Speaker 1: the trees. There's no depth of field. It is a
Speaker 1: trick and it and even even on the new iPhones
Speaker 1: when there are two cameras, Sorry you have it, but
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It looks fucking cheap. And if you use
Speaker 1: portrait at all, like you are showing the world that
Speaker 1: you're old and you think you're like, oh, blurry background,
Speaker 1: that's what young people do. I have to do that,
Speaker 1: and you know what, you know what. On top of that,
Speaker 1: I'm fucking tired of death of field in general. I
Speaker 1: want a clean, sharp image, flat flat. I want everything
Speaker 1: insane to be seen. It's like we've done that. We
Speaker 1: we saw the birth of DSLRs and they have died.
Speaker 1: We don't need them anymore. We don't need you to
Speaker 1: adjust your focus. I want a flat image. I want
Speaker 1: to see the trees in the background, and I want
Speaker 1: to see your and your outfit in the foreground. And
Speaker 1: that's what young people should be doing. It. Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1: I think you know, I mean that was salient. I
Speaker 1: have to agree. I'm also I've taken a couple of
Speaker 1: portrait moons where trees are the trap. If it's against
Speaker 1: like a wall or you know, a brick wall or something,
Speaker 1: then the branches like sometimes dissolve and then they come
Speaker 1: back and turn into branches, and then they dissolve again,
Speaker 1: and it's like and then when they meet, like the
Speaker 1: outline of your face, it's just like there's a halo.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but front facing portrait mode, that's crazy. See
Speaker 1: treatment treatment. I don't think so, honey, Big war more
Speaker 1: more that Jok and booster started, Yeah, it's like you WTF. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the team like Baldwin Baldwin. Um. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: it's really all all out war. Before we wrap this up,
Speaker 1: I said I was going to do something, and I
Speaker 1: can't leave without doing it, which is I have to
Speaker 1: out Charles as being a listener of podcast the Ride
Speaker 1: of I Am. I Am, but I could never compete
Speaker 1: on the level that you can. But you don't know
Speaker 1: that because I have shame. I have at you don't
Speaker 1: have shame. But that's it's totally everyone. You know. Theme
Speaker 1: parks are inherently the gayest they are gay. There's that
Speaker 1: saying that, like Disneyland is more real than Vegas or
Speaker 1: whatever Disneyland tells you it's it's fake, but Vegas doesn't.
Speaker 1: Disneyland is the only real straight guys. I have just
Speaker 1: a great. Theme parks are so straight. They're people ruin it.
Speaker 1: People wanted little children and girls, especially to stay young
Speaker 1: forever and then fuck them, and so they created this
Speaker 1: world where they can fun. People have arrested development that
Speaker 1: it's the same as musical theater. They have a resident,
Speaker 1: they stay in a candy land, and other people are like,
Speaker 1: it's not so bad there. I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I feel that roller coaster parks are for the
Speaker 1: Straits six, you know, but I feel there's nothing more
Speaker 1: disgusting than be like, let's just kids be kids, you
Speaker 1: know what. I want to see? Why I say no
Speaker 1: kids in the Magic Kingdom. It should be for me,
Speaker 1: That's true. It should be gays only. Adult games should
Speaker 1: be it should be out on the mountain every day.
Speaker 1: It should be circum it should be fucking And I
Speaker 1: heard that, like literally, I my friends that have been
Speaker 1: to the Gay Days that Disney World say that there's like,
Speaker 1: come on the goddamn Haunted mansion, like people are hooking
Speaker 1: up there. That's what if you Okay, just think about
Speaker 1: if they opened up a theme park in Palm Spring,
Speaker 1: Like the people would go crazy right there, you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's truly. I I have no ill well, I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know. You would never go with
Speaker 1: I have, and like I it's the same part of
Speaker 1: you that's like America's stupid. Europe is good, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's me when when we go together,
Speaker 1: that's me. I am very much like you, but I do,
Speaker 1: But then I do come around because my theory can't
Speaker 1: be proven because you're you're pretty middle class, right, grew
Speaker 1: up middle class, so like I feel like growing up
Speaker 1: middle class like anything that is like a little bit gross.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm civilized, I'm get it. That's below me.
Speaker 1: Whereas like you grew up thinking you were rich so
Speaker 1: you can do poor people things. I grew up upone
Speaker 1: was up for middle class. I grew up in the
Speaker 1: poorest part of America. So my theory, my theory doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't hold well interesting, But I do think I think
Speaker 1: theme parks are gay, Like Disneyland is very gay. It's
Speaker 1: all about escapism. Escape that works. There is gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of gay benefits. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's no reason to escape. Everyone gets free prep at Disneyland.
Speaker 1: Shut up. I really bought it. I thought it very gullible.
Speaker 1: All up, I've been very gulliable. We have. We've both
Speaker 1: been like the whole LinkedIn thing. It was like, this
Speaker 1: is what I need that people think. Everyone's like, oh, Charles,
Speaker 1: I would have said that joke, like, yeah, they got
Speaker 1: free p on the way here. We also like coming
Speaker 1: into this energy. We were both so tired, like you
Speaker 1: guys really did lift coming coming here. Charles like, I
Speaker 1: just don't know if I'm like gay enough. If you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I can't talk fast enough. You
Speaker 1: guys are gay enough. Recently someone was asking to I
Speaker 1: think we were upstateing and like maybe she was talking
Speaker 1: to mo or Dave or something, and she was talking
Speaker 1: about a gay person and the question of how gay
Speaker 1: they were arrived and she goes, I mean they're not
Speaker 1: gay like, which is like what we do, but they're gay.
Speaker 1: But she literally used the barometer for day. Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: the one. What's what of your catchphrases that I like
Speaker 1: so much? I don't like, I don't know word my heart. No,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, like sort and there's a new one.
Speaker 1: You feel this one? You feel this When someone says
Speaker 1: something like eating, it's like, are you serious? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel you the letter you Yeah, capital F E E,
Speaker 1: capital T H I S, capital W A Y. It's
Speaker 1: all past. You have to actually say that when you do.
Speaker 1: If you feel this, I feel this way you feel
Speaker 1: you get to confirm it. Wait, I feel you feel
Speaker 1: this way? You made um? This is this was a
Speaker 1: fantastic capital cover. The whole spectrum. We're like, yeah, yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: what were you listening to these four handers? Baby? I
Speaker 1: love the four hands well, I love anytime there's four
Speaker 1: days in a room. Yeah, five five Emma our new
Speaker 1: permanent producer producer. That's the highest producer title. We should,
Speaker 1: we should, we should definitely break to the listeners. HPJ
Speaker 1: is moving to I won't be in the room for
Speaker 1: us to harass anymore. So now we have HPE producer Emma,
Speaker 1: who is always who always has just very tasteful fashions,
Speaker 1: always always wears sharp, smart, smart clothes, sharp right like
Speaker 1: her outfit. I think that's true and queer, which is
Speaker 1: important to me. Essent matters and producership and producership absolutely
Speaker 1: permanent producership. Well, you have a hard out, like a
Speaker 1: half hour ago. Okay, we gotta go, We gotta go
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