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Speaker 1: I don't want to hamburger and you saw that hamburger.

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00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: You can chase that hamburger. You knew what you got

430
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: to the hamburger, Jorgan, you were gonna be able to

431
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: eat that amber. You don't see. It's not in front

432
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: of you. It was in that ram. It was in

433
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: that ram, and that ram began to talk to you.

434
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: That wham began to speak to you so much so

435
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: that now you are hungry for something you don't see,

436
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: not in the natural, but you see it in another ram.

437
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about embracing that

438
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: same ram. So don't say you don't operate in the

439
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: spirit realm. Yes you do. You do operating in the

440
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: spirit ram. There are times when you see it. I

441
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: don't spit that you want to well, uh, pre being arresting.

442
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: You go shopping and you see this outfit hanging and

443
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: you see yourself wearing that outfit, walking in that outfit.

444
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: You don't have an own, but you got a vision

445
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: of what you're gonna look like if you buy it.

446
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: That's the spirit, same spirit. So yeah, we do operating

447
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: the unseen. We operate in it. We just don't want

448
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: to say we do. We think it's like you know,

449
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: but that's all it is. It's operating in the unseen.

450
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I want it. I see it in another realm and

451
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: I want it and I'm gonna do everything I can

452
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: to get it because I've seen it in that other ram.

453
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: So us with the spirit. I don't want to be angry.

454
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I see myself as not being in this angry person.

455
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I see myself as not letting them go off or

456
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: going off on them the next time they come by way.

457
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: I see myself in that realm not doing that. The

458
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: difference is what I say is yes, you can have that.

459
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: And now here's a confidence that's gonna help you make

460
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: an apple. You're not walking that alone because you got

461
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: a confidence that's gonna help you make that happen. And

462
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: that's where we come in and say I'm gonna walk

463
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: alongside you. I'm gonna show you how this works. Now

464
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: what do we do? My part, my part as the

465
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: coach is to pray. That's my part. My part is

466
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: to pray because I've got this, I've got this new

467
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: person walking in this spirit. Right, So my part is

468
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: to pray you through this spirit, right, because I've got

469
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: the higher rate. I'm praying you through it. And then

470
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: what I pray is that they have a tangible experience

471
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: with it, have a tangible experience that you know, oh,

472
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: this is what she Oh, this is what this is

473
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: what she meant about seeing something and then it happens.

474
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, you do operate in the spirit, right, Yeah,

475
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: and and even and that's in good and bad. You know,

476
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: they say, whatever you whatever you speak. You know, life

477
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: is in in the life, that is in the tongue.

478
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: And I'll useing the I'll use an example for the

479
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: brothers who are listening. One of the podcast episodes will

480
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: be with Clifford Johnson, and we're going to talk in

481
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: particular about and a lot of the brothers will call

482
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: it intuition or I should have followed my first mind.

483
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: And I'll tell him we talk all the times. We're

484
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: my friend for over twenty years, and uh, the day

485
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: that he was paralyzed, he kept saying, I mean literally,

486
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: this is after he did fifteen years and came home

487
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: and was going over somebody's house, and I was on

488
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: the phone with him, and all the way as he

489
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: was going, he kept saying, I'm uncomfortable being over here

490
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: with first, even backtracking, he would always say, if I

491
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: go back home, I know I'm gonna end up getting shot.

492
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: This is just what he already spoke into life because

493
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: of thinking that, okay, the life he wants previously lived.

494
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: Karma would catch up and he would speak those things,

495
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: and I would say, why would you say that? He said,

496
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: I just know that's how it is when once you

497
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: come home. Everybody I know that came home ended up

498
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: facing a tragedy. So he was speaking to those things.

499
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: And then on that day that he was shot, he

500
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: was saying, I don't like going to the East Side.

501
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with him the whole time. Dr White,

502
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but why don't you just go home? Why

503
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: don't you go home? Literally as he pulled up, he

504
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: literally looked and said, I don't like this feeling over here.

505
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I do not like this, but I'm gonna go in

506
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: right quick and I'm gonna watch the rest of the

507
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: Cowboy game and then I'm gonna be right out. And

508
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: just went to a friend's house. It's had nothing to

509
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: do with him, but just going to a friend's house

510
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: and just a random drive by. And I told him

511
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: that's not And it's so interesting because when I went

512
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: to see him in prison, the first thing he told

513
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: me is always He said, I should have always followed

514
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: my first mind. And so what I tell him in

515
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: that situation, it's not your first mind. It's the Holy

516
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Spirit knocking at the door, trying to talk to you,

517
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: trying to come in, speaking over and over, speaking through yourself,

518
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: speaking through me, speaking to people around you. And it

519
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: is up to you if I want to hear the conversation.

520
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: And so people would ask, well, how do I know

521
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: that it's the spirit speaking. My grandmother used to tell me, Uh,

522
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: it would bother me. She's ninety years old. She would

523
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: always say, talk to the father, to talk to the

524
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: fither I call it with a problem, As the grandma

525
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: would what do I do in my marriage and what

526
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: do I do in my relationship. What do I do

527
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: with that? And her ans would be always talked to

528
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: the father, and it would get so frustrating because I

529
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: would say, Grandma, I want to talk to you. I

530
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: want to you tell me what I need to do

531
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: instead of talking to the father. So now with her

532
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: being ninety years old, I was able to bless her

533
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: publicly in front of my in front of our family

534
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: and our family reunion and say I finally understood what

535
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: it means to talk to the Father. Because what I

536
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: tell people that is, if you talk long enough, he

537
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: will start talking back. But you have to be able

538
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: to recognize that voice and recognize when it is it

539
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: is telling you to go left instead of right, to

540
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: go forward instead of backwards. Because we also know that

541
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: principalities will be talking to you as well to keep

542
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: you on the track that got you in a situation

543
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: in the first place. So what would be some advice

544
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: as we wrap up, what would be some advice on that?

545
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: How do I know this is the Holy Spirit talking

546
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: to me? Because I think the brothers and sisters feel

547
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: that the Holy Spirit don't talk to them because they

548
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: don't have access, or they've been kicked aside, or the

549
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit no longer even wants to have a conversation

550
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: with them, and we know that it is not true.

551
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: In fact, it's the very opposite. He's the very one.

552
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: You are the very one that the Holy Spirit wants

553
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: to talk to. So how did they discern the difference

554
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: between when this is is this, this is the Holy

555
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: Spirit talking to me versus bad demons and principalities and

556
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: that devil on you know, the cartoon of seeing the

557
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: devil on your shoulder telling you to go in the

558
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: opposite direction. How do they discern that? And can they

559
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: or is there some basic steps you can give them

560
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: on on on on that spiritual journey. And let me say,

561
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: the Pressceship, that's that's a great question. I still battle

562
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: with making sure I recognize which voice is speaking to me.

563
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: So it doesn't it's not like it's stopped. I still

564
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: war and say, okay, let me try. Let me now,

565
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Holy Spirit or the voice

566
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: who has authority in your life. M hm. You may

567
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: hear something your mother said when you were growing up authority,

568
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: and you will hear her say listen to that voice,

569
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: because it's gonna start out with the familiar familiarity. It's

570
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna start out with the familiar voice of authority. Could

571
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: be your mother. You might be doing something and you

572
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: will hear a voice that will say I still love

573
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: you regardless of what you did, and you say, Mama,

574
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: that's the spirit. It's the authority in the voice. It's

575
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the authority in the voice. The other thing is you

576
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: will have a sense of peace about yourself when when

577
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: you here now. And let me say that the spirit

578
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: is of low um um um diversity. It doesn't matter black, white, green, purple, yellow,

579
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: red hair, blue air, purple, ap pokadi, a female, male,

580
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: don't matter all people because in in the teachings of

581
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Jesus the Christ, he says I will pour out my

582
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: spirit on all flesh. So that's that's that says that

583
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: we all spirit late it. But it's with spirit. And

584
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: that's a question. How do I know whether it's a

585
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: a dark spirit or a light spirit. That's how I'll

586
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: define dark versus light. One the authority figure, you will

587
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: hear their voice. Your mother, whoever was of a good

588
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: authority in your life, not a bad authority, you will

589
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: hear that voice. Two. I always say wait until you

590
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: have complete peace don't move the minute you hear that voice.

591
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: I would teach my children when they were in school

592
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and they were taking a test and they didn't know

593
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: the answer, I would tell them just put your hand

594
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: over your mouth and pray and say, Holy Spirit helped me,

595
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: and so which you can say, since I don't want

596
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: to get everybody entangled with terms and the Holy Spirit,

597
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: just stop when you hear pirit stop, don't move, don't move,

598
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: and then say spirit of truth, spirit of truth, guide me,

599
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: m and don't move. Spirit of Truth. Now why is

600
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: he responding because he says the teachings say I will

601
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: lead and guide you into all truths. Now that spirit

602
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: of truth my heart. That spirit of truth may say

603
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: you've got anger issues, get rid of that. Spirit of

604
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: truth might say some things that you don't want to hear,

605
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: but it's truth any way, Spirit of Truth guide me.

606
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: And then wait, and that saying still voice might be

607
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: your mama's voice. Whoever was, your positive voice of authority

608
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: will speak again and tell you what you need to do.

609
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Act on it. The minute you act on it,

610
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: and what you believe it's truth, you will have what

611
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: we call confirmation. Something will happen someone will say something

612
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: to you and it will be exactly what you heard.

613
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Because there are always witnesses to the voice.

614
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Yes it is. I like that there, Yes it is. Oh,

615
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: well that's deep. That's deep. If there's a scripture on that,

616
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: if you know of one, I would love to after

617
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: That's not for this podcast, but I like what you

618
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: just said. There's always witnesses to the voice. I would

619
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: definitely like to know you know more of that. Uh,

620
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: and how we connect that biblically? Um, because I'm sure

621
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: there's a reference there is He talks about bearing witness Yes. Yeah,

622
00:35:51,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: that's deep. So you've given the guys, and again for

623
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: those who are listening, again, thank you so much for listening.

624
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: These are baby steps. It is only so much we

625
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: can cover, you know, in thirty forty minutes. I'm sure

626
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Dr White would agree with what I'm about to say,

627
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: which is, certainly, you know, reach out to the spiritual advisors.

628
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: There that resources available to you. We have to get

629
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: to a place where you have to remove your pride

630
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: and not be ashamed to say I need help, particularly

631
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: people who have had to fight every battle by themselves. Uh,

632
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: you are not in the battle alone. And that is

633
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the usually the first mistake that I see, not even

634
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: just with with folks who have been incarcerated, but even

635
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: me myself. Just this last weekend, there was a battle

636
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that came to me and I said, you know what,

637
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: this is a battle I don't have to fight. I'm

638
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: used to fighting every battle being usually I'm fighting the

639
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: bat the battle for folks. But sometimes we have to

640
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: understand that God does give us opportunities for people to

641
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: help fight alongside of you our fight battles that you

642
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Speaker 1: may be too weak to fight by yourself. We have

643
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Speaker 1: to remember when Moses was sent to free in Faroe

644
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Speaker 1: and he said, I don't know what to say, and

645
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: he said, don't worry about it. I'm gonna sending are

646
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Speaker 1: and he's a communicator. We have to understand that when Mary,

647
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Speaker 1: I'm getting on the pre I'm getting to start preaching

648
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: there now, Dr White. We have to understand that, um

649
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that when the show did and I can feel it,

650
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: I can feel it. It's getting chills from as you

651
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: said it. We have to remember that every battle, UH

652
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: is not alone. And when we start fighting by ourselves,

653
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: the isolation, the isolation alone of thinking that I'm in it,

654
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: by myself that don't nobody care, nobody's with me. Understand

655
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Speaker 1: that that person that is with you may not be

656
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: your mother, your father, your sister, your cousin that won't

657
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: come see you. It could be a doctor white, it

658
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: could be a tesla figure or somebody you ain't never seen.

659
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Speaker 1: And based upon what we said about him sending a comforter,

660
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: he never said the confort gonna be your cousin. He

661
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: said send you a comforter. So I'm hoping that this

662
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Speaker 1: message will comfort somebody, and knowing that there are people

663
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: who care, there are people who are praying for you,

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Speaker 1: and the same time, I can still hold you accountable

665
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: for the work that you need to do. And two

666
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: things can be true at one time, loving you enough

667
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: to hold you accountable to do the work, and then

668
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: my part to make sure that I'm going uh to

669
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Speaker 1: continue to do the work, to be that communicator on

670
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Speaker 1: your behalf when you may find yourself at a loss

671
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: for words, I think the biggest thing is opening your heart,

672
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: you know to that, and and and being open you know,

673
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: to change, and being open to healing, not even about

674
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: the shape, just being open to to get some healing

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00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: on your soul. And so I'll let you clear that

676
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: up before I go on a preaching spree here. I'm

677
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bootleg preacher, and so before I

678
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: start preaching, but I just know this is just me personally,

679
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And and my friend he would say,

680
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: why do you take time, you know, spud, who will

681
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: be interviewing, Why do you take time, you know, caring

682
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: about people that that you don't know? Why do you

683
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: take time? You know? He said, you know, I was

684
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: set up by people that were supposed to be my friends.

685
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you do what you do. And

686
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: I said, you know, we like to talk about on

687
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: social media who's the goat? Who's the greatest of all times?

688
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: You know, will say, oh, this is the goat, He's

689
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Speaker 1: the greatest, And I said, but you know what the

690
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Speaker 1: reality of it is. In the Bible, who the goat

691
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Speaker 1: is the goat? It's very clear. It says that we're

692
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Speaker 1: going to divide up. There's gonna become a time. And

693
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Speaker 1: if you don't believe in this, I tell people, don't

694
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Speaker 1: worry about it. You don't have nothing to worry about.

695
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: But if I'm right, there's going to be a time

696
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Speaker 1: where the goat will be separated from those who were

697
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: the sheep, not the sheep that followed everybody, but the

698
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Speaker 1: sheep that was about the shepherd's work. And Dr White,

699
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Speaker 1: I want to be made clear that I am about

700
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Speaker 1: the shepherd's business. Y'all can be the greatest of all

701
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Speaker 1: time on earth, but I want to be about the

702
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: shepherd's business. Those who said when you were in prison,

703
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: you came to see me when I was hunger, You

704
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: fed me. When I didn't have clothes, You gave me clothes,

705
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Speaker 1: you gave me shelter. I want to be about the

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Speaker 1: shep put to work and about the shepherd's business. And

707
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Speaker 1: like you said at the beginning of it all, you

708
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: don't have nothing to lose if I'm If I'm wrong,

709
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: and we just disappear and go into space, into a

710
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: bliss that I'm still gonna be all right. But what

711
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: if I am What if I'm right about this? What if?

712
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Speaker 1: What if there's a time where it's going to matter

713
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Speaker 1: what I did on this earth and I can't say, well,

714
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Speaker 1: my mama didn't do me this, so that person do

715
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: me right. I tried to reach out to Tesla and

716
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Speaker 1: she didn't help me. What is it that you're gonna

717
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 1: be able to say that you did about being about

718
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: the shepherd's business. And you can't help somebody else if

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Speaker 1: you first don't want to help yourself. So I'll give

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Speaker 1: you the closing statements. But I wanted to say that

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Speaker 1: to those who are listening, thank you for listening. Listening

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Speaker 1: is not in vain. Don't think for one second that

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Speaker 1: just I'm just listening to a podcast. The step that

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Speaker 1: you took to even click light and to hear this

725
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: message all the way through tells me now that he's

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00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: trying to reach you. So I'll give you the last

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Speaker 1: closing thoughts. Dr work you um. And so here's the

728
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Speaker 1: thing I'm I want to speak to what you understand,

729
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: and it's called judging. Yes, it is a man's judgment

730
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: that puts you where you are now. A man decided

731
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: you were guilty and judged it and said here's what

732
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: you need to do. When we talk about spirituality, it's

733
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Speaker 1: a judgment and the judgment says you are not guilty

734
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Speaker 1: and you have been liberated and somebody else served your turn.

735
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So judge found guilty, but somebody else is

736
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: to is serving your time. Mm hmmm. So when we

737
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Speaker 1: look at it and I say again, it's not the

738
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: spirituality that's got you stop procrastinating. It's your fear of

739
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: the spirit. It's your fear of the spirit. And so

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Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. To nothing afraid of it,

741
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: but to try. Yeah, try that rain. Try the next time.

742
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: You don't know what to do, just try it and

743
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: say you know what that that dr Whit and Test

744
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: they talked about the spirit. All right, holy Spirit, talk

745
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: to me right now and you can have a latitude

746
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: about it. Spirit don't care. Yeah, you just want to

747
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: talk to me. If you're real, come if you do,

748
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: if you're real, come talk to me right here. Be ready,

749
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: because he's gonna talk. Yes he is, he said, I

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00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: don't come unless you invite me. Yeah yeah, yeah, he said,

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00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: so invite him. Just yeah you are that? What else

752
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: you got to do? Ask him? If you if if

753
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: you are that, come talk to me. And he's gonna

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00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: tell you something about you. They're gonna tell you about me,

755
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna tell you about Test. You're gonna tell you

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00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: something about you that only you and the spirit. No,

757
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and it's gonna put down you know, you're gonna you're

758
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, you're gonna jump because this thing is real.

759
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: This is real. And so I'm just asking your trying

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00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: the very next time, the very next time, and it's

761
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna be in a in in medics after this podcast,

762
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: Yes it is. It's gonna come to a moment of

763
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: decision about something could be. I'm not gonna say, but

764
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna come to a moment of decision about something.

765
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: Yes it is. And so before you make that decision,

766
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: just say, you know, just Holy Spirit, if you're real,

767
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: talk to me and then wait and as sure as

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00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: my name is what it is, he's gonna talk. Now.

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Speaker 1: My question is what you're gonna do back? What you're

770
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: gonna do back? And it will just to reconfirm they

771
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: say to when they join together, touch and degree. It

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00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: is gonna happen immediately after this podcast. And I feel

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00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: that too, because again this is no coincidence. Everything uh

774
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: is for the good of those who love the Lord.

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00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: So I believe that Dr Mary is there. Um. I

776
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: know you do prison ministry with your church, but is

777
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: there a way for people to follow your work or

778
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: do or is it just the private ministry or those

779
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: who may be listening. Is there any projects you're working

780
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: on that you want to share. Um. If not, that's fine,

781
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: but I wanted at least give you that as we

782
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: close up. Well, one of the things definitely I'm working

783
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: on right now is housing because like we're seeing that

784
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: for females there's a lack of housing when they come out,

785
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: mostly because they have children and and and facilities will

786
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: house you but not your kids. So UM, we're looking

787
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: into finding a funding, second Chance Act or funding. But

788
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: to start out with what I wanted to do is

789
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: before I can provide something for your physical body, we're

790
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: looking at counseling for your spirit so that when you

791
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: come out, small group studies to help UM women and

792
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: men get to the basis of what's going on in

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00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: their life. So that's right now. What we're working on

794
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Speaker 1: is finding a place. COVID has caused some restrictions of

795
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: being able to find a location and without the so

796
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Speaker 1: we probably are gonna have to go with the virtual,

797
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: but we're working those out. UM. I have a website,

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00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: which of course it's Dr Mary E. White. If you

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00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: want to go to a website, it's Dr Mary E. White,

800
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: And and I'm I am working on podcasts, but right now.

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00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: The goal is finding a place where people can come

802
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: once they have been out, so that they can hear

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00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: or get in a small group so that they can

804
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: talk to other like minded people that have gone through

805
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: And what can I do reality? Reality? How are we

806
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: gonna help you walk this out? Okay? Great? Well, I

807
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: will extend the offer to you, just as I did

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00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: with she Le Bruno if you are always welcome to record,

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00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: not just me interviewing you, but to record any content

810
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: or you said you were working on a podcast. I

811
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: lend my podcast space to folks, not lending me in

812
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: charge you anything or ask for anything, but we can

813
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: put content as much as you want out I am.

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00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: I am more than willing to do that. I've I've

815
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: offered it to so many different people, but they never

816
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: take me up on it. But I always still I

817
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: do my part because I want to make sure remember

818
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Speaker 1: when I said when I go before ay, I did

819
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do. So I will always

820
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Speaker 1: extend that invite to you. If you want to record something,

821
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about it on the air. But I'm

822
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: saying a part of the recording because I want people

823
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: to to at least be looking out from more from you,

824
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: and I tell folks, hey, you want to record thirty

825
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: minutes or forty five minutes on something you want to

826
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Speaker 1: get out to the masses. I certainly have invited uh

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Speaker 1: several people to take that offer up and they are

828
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: more than willing to use my space because I want

829
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Speaker 1: to do what I can to make sure I do

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Speaker 1: my part. People always say, oh, well, what can you do?

831
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Speaker 1: And I tell people push the line p U s

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Speaker 1: H politics until something happens and it comes down on

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Speaker 1: my logo. One person is pushing the p to you,

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Speaker 1: the S the H. They're not looking at what's going

835
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Speaker 1: on on the side of them or who ain't doing what.

836
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: They're looking ahead and saying what can I do? As

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00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: one person? So that's my one person thing to be

838
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: able to offer my space to you any time, at

839
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: any moment that you want people to hear this work here,

840
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I'm open to that purse take. I

841
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: will take you up on it. Believe me, this is

842
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: the confirmation of some things I've heard about this year.

843
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I've heard someone talk about the is is my whole year?

844
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Speaker 1: The year that I'm gonna be whol because I'm gonna

845
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Speaker 1: work I'm will receive everything that belongs to me this

846
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: whole year because I'm Oh yeah, I'm I'm. That's another confirmation.

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Speaker 1: My tour is actually called where I'm going around doing

848
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: organizing and about five different states, and the tour name

849
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: is called Us All About You in two thousand twenty two.

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00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: So that's confirmation. Yeah, that's confirmation. You guys heard that. See,

851
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. The confirmation. Yeah, this is

852
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And we weren't holdly holding up

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Speaker 1: in the clouds. We're just having a conversation. That's how

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Speaker 1: the spirit works. Just like that. You just heard an

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Speaker 1: actual example of how the spirit works. Just like that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it does, and even further, I'll go with it. It's

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Speaker 1: so interesting. Uh My, and paint in two thousand twelve

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Speaker 1: was called doing it for ourselves in two thousand twelve.

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Speaker 1: So here we are ten years later. For those who

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Speaker 1: are listening, Remember I talked about Pharaoe. Ten means completion.

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Speaker 1: See those enemies no more. That's the reason why you

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Speaker 1: had teen signs. That's right, you had ten signs. With

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Speaker 1: Pharaoe ten times he has tried to talk to you

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Speaker 1: and keep giving example after example an example, and for

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Speaker 1: somebody listening, this is the tenth time, this is the

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Speaker 1: multiple times, and so now it's been put on you

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Speaker 1: and like Dr White said, what are you gonna do

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Speaker 1: about it? Thank you so much for joining me, Dr White.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to having you back any time. Any

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Speaker 1: place is always welcome to you. Uh. And and more importantly,

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Speaker 1: as we go through this series, because I think there

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Speaker 1: is a lot to unpack, I made, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: ask you to come back, you know, as we because

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Speaker 1: as I'm weaving this together, some of the guests I

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Speaker 1: would want to have them kind of come back and

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Speaker 1: you know, go a little bit further or something. We

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Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to to to cover in this

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes. But yeah, right, absolutely, so thank you

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Speaker 1: so much again for joining me. Thankful again to the

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Speaker 1: George Floyd Foundation, uh in particularly Sarah McGee and Tara

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Speaker 1: Brown who wanted to the director and the president of

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Speaker 1: Georgela Foundation. But more importantly, uh, Serrida's relationship for actually

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Speaker 1: doing the work, and people don't know that, and she

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Speaker 1: is a I admire, I admire her steadfastness and I've

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Speaker 1: learned a lot from her with working her with her

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Speaker 1: for the last year or so, you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about somebody that stands on God's principle. She's not loud

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Speaker 1: like me, she don't make a bunch of noise like me.

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Speaker 1: But when when she says she believes, she just believed,

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Speaker 1: and I I just admire her and admire such a

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Speaker 1: blessing they've been in my family. So thank you so

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Speaker 1: much again, Dr White Again, guys, make sure you share

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Speaker 1: this with somebody. Uh, those who are listening to share

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Speaker 1: And even if they never told you, they will hurt

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Speaker 1: and I assure you they will get something from this

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Speaker 1: podcast because one of the biggest challenges is ego and

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Speaker 1: pride again going back to Faro, so we're gonna cancel

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Speaker 1: all of that out. Make sure you share with somebody.

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Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network, speaking directly to your needs. This is

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