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Speaker 1: And welcome to Lake Kicks Live. It is Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: January twentieth, few of our Lord twenty twenty two fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: We've waited all day and no big news has broken.

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Speaker 1: And so just if you're watching, Jim Harbaugh, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, just give us like forty five minutes and

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Speaker 1: then do whatever you want to do, live your lives.

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Speaker 1: After about seven forty five pm Central Standard time, we

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Speaker 1: are jam packed high at top downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Another

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Speaker 1: dusting of snow last night, second snowiest January on record

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Speaker 1: so far, still out a little ways to go. Jim Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it tonight. I mean, this is real.

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Speaker 1: He could really be headed to the NFL. We'll give

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Speaker 1: you the very latest what we know. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: we'll just irresponsibly speculate wildly about what would happen if

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Speaker 1: he did leave Michigan. Caleb Williams is still out there

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Speaker 1: in the transfer portal as of this very moment, and

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Speaker 1: I stress as of this very moment, Jackson Dart still

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Speaker 1: in the transfer portal as of this very moment. Got

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Speaker 1: some news about Jalen Moody, the Alabama linebacker. If I

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Speaker 1: remember too, I'll share that with you. Know what I

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Speaker 1: won't remember. Here's the news from Bama online dot com.

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Speaker 1: Looks like Jalen Moody is going to pop right out

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Speaker 1: of the transfer portal and stay at Alabama. It be

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Speaker 1: that way. Sometimes sometimes you go in, sometimes you come out.

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Speaker 1: Transfer portal is weird that way. We've got to continue

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Speaker 1: the mood Tracker tonight. We did Florida the other night,

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Speaker 1: got great reception on it. We're doing Penn State tonight,

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Speaker 1: we get into the mood Tracker season. Penn State's a

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Speaker 1: tough mood tracker to nail down right now. But we're

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Speaker 1: Were jam packed. Here's the deal. I know some of you,

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Speaker 1: brand new. You just came with us this past football

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Speaker 1: season and I just want to stress the word season

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Speaker 1: off version of that. We don't even say the whole word.

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Speaker 1: We whisper it. If we have to off season, it's

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Speaker 1: not something that we do. So stick with us now.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna get filler full. We're not gonna give

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Speaker 1: so we're doing two live shows per week right now.

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Speaker 1: But we're jam packed tonight and it is very very

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Speaker 1: nice to have you along with us. So stay locked

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Speaker 1: in and let's go. Jim Harbaugh is as of this

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Speaker 1: moment to head coach at Michigan. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: you will be this time next week. It's a very

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Speaker 1: very strange timetable when you have college football coaches who

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Speaker 1: are flirting with the NFL. But there's several benefits to

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Speaker 1: doing the show live. We do Late Kick live, just

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Speaker 1: as it sounds like in the description live. So right

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night. That's great. There's no safety net under

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Speaker 1: the show. We don't get redos. I love that I

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Speaker 1: So Jim, Jim, just give me a few minutes, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harball's still the head coach at Michigan right now.

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Speaker 1: What do we know? We know the speculation is real here,

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Speaker 1: some classic, you know, Jimmy Sexton leverage maneuver. We were

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Speaker 1: very familiar with that down South. Jim Harball does not

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Speaker 1: have Jimmy Sexton as his agent. In fact, I'll give

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Speaker 1: me ask you, this Michigan fan or otherwise, what if

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Speaker 1: That is what people will remember if that does end

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Speaker 1: But how would his legacy be remembered at Michigan. I

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Speaker 1: intentions for the upcoming season. So that was a little unexpected.

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Burton can be a big player, and he could

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Speaker 1: be a big player at Georgia. I think he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a very very key piece of someone's offense

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Speaker 1: wherever he goes. Alabama's in this Alabama was very much

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Speaker 1: in the Kaishan Bhute picture and for some reasons behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, that kind of went quiet, And who knows

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Speaker 1: if that ever cranks back up again. If it does,

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Speaker 1: I can assure you it would be after spring. But

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Speaker 1: I think Alabama's in the market for one Moe receiver.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal feel. Whether it's Jermaine Burton or not

439
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Speaker 1: remains to be seen. As you can see, guys are

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Speaker 1: still entering the portal, so we'll see about that. But

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Speaker 1: you're hearing a lot of Alabama behind the scenes. Lsu

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Speaker 1: is there, A and M's there, Maryland is there. I

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Speaker 1: think he's close to baby Tua Taliatanga Bailo in other words,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how figured out that picture is.

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Speaker 1: Yet again, you never know to what degree a guy

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Speaker 1: is in a hurry, and you also have to check

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Speaker 1: with the academic situation at each university. But keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on that one Jermaine Burton, and then at Georgia,

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Speaker 1: let's keep an eye on that quarterback situation, probably after

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Speaker 1: spring practice, maybe before, but I would probably expect and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people around the program expect that after

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Speaker 1: spring you may see some more movement there. There was

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Speaker 1: another move today that I don't want to gloss over.

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Speaker 1: Jered Bernard Converse, who is a You may not know

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Speaker 1: his name, but you've probably watched him play. He is

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Speaker 1: a first team All Big twelve defensive back out of

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, and he entered his name into the portal today.

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Speaker 1: He's a four year starter, started a ton of games,

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Speaker 1: He's played a ton of ball. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: a very, very highly sought after corner defensive bat guy.

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Speaker 1: So we don't have a ton of information on him

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Speaker 1: right now. But he's the real deal and would translate

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Speaker 1: his skills very favorably to pretty much any defense in

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Speaker 1: the country. I would expect a whole lot of big

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Speaker 1: names to come after him. Look, there's some stuff on

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Speaker 1: the up and up happening out there. There's some shady

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Speaker 1: stuff happening out there. I was told today. I will

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Speaker 1: not mention any names, but I was told today about

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Speaker 1: a high profile player from the G five level who

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Speaker 1: has heard from a vast majority of teams in a conference.

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Speaker 1: And you may say, well, isn't that tampering if he's

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Speaker 1: not in the portal, And I would say to you,

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Speaker 1: yet's pretty much what they call that. That is tampering.

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Speaker 1: But yet it's happening. Kids. It's a dirty world out there.

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Speaker 1: You really really got to button your shirt up type

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Speaker 1: before you head out the door right now in the

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Speaker 1: poor because sometimes you don't have to be in the

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Speaker 1: portal to pretend like you're in the portal, and people

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Speaker 1: treat you like you're in the portal. That's where we

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Speaker 1: are right now. It is a very confusing time, a

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Speaker 1: very hazy time. But when this happens. The title of

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Speaker 1: the show tonight was kind of taking time bombs. When

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Speaker 1: Harball happens, it's going to be a big, big deal

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Speaker 1: if it does go down. When Caleb Williams announces wherever

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Speaker 1: he's going, especially if it's not USC, it would be

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Speaker 1: a mega deal. Either way, it's a huge deal. Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart whenever he announces, that's going to be a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And as you can tell, kind of a lot of

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Speaker 1: nervous energy around the show because we're just waiting. We're

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Speaker 1: just waiting. The Mood Tracker is your favorite segment on

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Speaker 1: the show. As it turns out, the Mood Tracker we

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Speaker 1: put it on pause for the season for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 1: and then we get into this time of year and

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Speaker 1: we can take a healthy inventory of the temperature of

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Speaker 1: a fan base. So tonight the Mood Tracker rolls on

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Speaker 1: and we're headed up to Happy Valley and we're going

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Speaker 1: to State College, Pennsylvania, and it is Penn State Mood

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Speaker 1: Tracker night. And I did not appreciate how complex this

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Speaker 1: situation is. Producer Jesse is a Penn State grad and

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Speaker 1: I asked him today, Jesse, we're doing Penn State tonight,

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Speaker 1: what's your mood? And then you just see the bubbles

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Speaker 1: and there's bubbles and there's bubbles. Is like, Jesse, I

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Speaker 1: just want four or five words. Why are you typing

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Speaker 1: this much? And he ended up telling me, look, it's

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Speaker 1: very complicated. So I went over to Lions twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven dot com. Surely these folks will make sense

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Speaker 1: of this for me, and I said, I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: it on the show tonight. Look, I need your honest,

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Speaker 1: sage opinion. What is the mood here? How are you

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Speaker 1: feeling five words or less about Penn State. Then I

511
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Speaker 1: went to the gym and I came back and what

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Speaker 1: I expected was I expected ten or fifteen responses. I

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Speaker 1: get back and I go to the Penn State board.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually pulling it up right now. There is there

515
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Speaker 1: are one hundred responses to this, about five thousand views,

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Speaker 1: and we are several pages deep on this thread. We

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Speaker 1: are four pages deep on this thread right now. And

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Speaker 1: what I have come to realize is it so complex

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Speaker 1: because it's fragmented. The mood around Penn State football right

520
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Speaker 1: now is fragmented, not divided. I didn't say divided, because

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Speaker 1: if I were to tell you it's divided, that would

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Speaker 1: be the classic camp a versus can't be We've got

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Speaker 1: like fourteen camps here. There are several different moods around

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Speaker 1: Penn State football, so it's fragmented. But I want to

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Speaker 1: be very careful with how I state that there aren't

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Speaker 1: very many people who are bailing on the program. It's

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Speaker 1: not like that. It's not a bunch of James Franklin

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Speaker 1: on the hot seat. It's not a bunch of Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're screwed. I'm just going to give up and I'll

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Speaker 1: come back, you know, in better days, brighter days. It's

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Speaker 1: not like that. They're just varying degrees of hope. There's

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Speaker 1: some jaded sides of things, there's some eternal optimistic side

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Speaker 1: of things. But it's just fragmented. So here's what it

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Speaker 1: sounds like. If you do not have access to this thread,

535
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Speaker 1: subscribe to twenty four to seven sports dot com and

536
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Speaker 1: go check it out. But if you don't, I'll just

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Speaker 1: tell you. I'll just sum it up. You've got several camps.

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Speaker 1: One of the camps would sound like this. One of

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Speaker 1: the camps would say, you need to have some perspective

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Speaker 1: here because it's very obvious if we do nothing more,

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Speaker 1: then go back to the Iowa game this past year

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Speaker 1: and Sean Clifford, our quarterback doesn't get hurt. We win

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Speaker 1: that game. If they win the Iowa game, they're six

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Speaker 1: and zero, they go into the bye week. They come

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Speaker 1: out of the bye week, their remaining schedule would be Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I have a sneaking suspicion they don't lose that game.

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Speaker 1: If Clifford's not heard at Ohio State at Maryland, Michigan,

548
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Speaker 1: Rutgers at Michigan State, they go from seven to five,

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Speaker 1: which is what they actually ended with, to what ten

550
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Speaker 1: and two? And at that point, you're celebrating the season

551
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Speaker 1: and all you did was change one injury quarterback, big position.

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Speaker 1: But one camp would say, listen, the reality is we

553
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Speaker 1: just suffered some bad luck this past year. But then

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Speaker 1: there's another camp that would come in and they'd say, well,

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Speaker 1: it's not like we disagree with you wholeheartedly, but you're

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Speaker 1: not telling the whole story there. And Camp A would say, okay,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean that sit back, put their pipe

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Speaker 1: in their mouth, and then Camp B would say, well,

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Speaker 1: did you watch Georgia football this year? For example, in

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00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: Camp A would say yeah, what are you getting at

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Speaker 1: Camp B says, well, Georgia lost JT Daniels, who was

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Speaker 1: their starting quarterback. They never saw him again. He never

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Speaker 1: came back, and they took the backup who's a former

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Speaker 1: walk on, and they kind of won a national championship

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Speaker 1: with him. And then Camp A would say, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: watched the game, what's your point? And Camp B would say,

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Speaker 1: why didn't we have our quarterback situation figured out? Like,

568
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Speaker 1: did it never occur to anyone? You know, Sean Cliffer

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Speaker 1: could get hurt one day and then when he gets hurt,

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Speaker 1: we don't have anything. Then Camp C, who's kind of

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Speaker 1: sitting over here as an innocent neutral bystander so far,

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00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: they say, wait a second, now I got something to

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Speaker 1: say about that. And Camp C comes in and says,

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Speaker 1: we kind of did have our quarterback situation set up,

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Speaker 1: but then the evil transfer portal came along and it

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Speaker 1: snatched Will Levis our backup from us, and he ended

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Speaker 1: up being the starting quarterback down at Kentucky. And so

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Speaker 1: is it really all that fair to criticize the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff because even though they did technically have the quarterback

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Speaker 1: situation figured out, how many teams out there can afford

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Speaker 1: to lose their backup and then have their starter go

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Speaker 1: down and still just cruise merrily along. And then Camp

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Speaker 1: D would come in. We're only four camps deep. There's

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Speaker 1: like ten more to go. I'm not gonna list them all.

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Speaker 1: But Camp D would come in and it would sound

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Speaker 1: something like this, and this is the camp that wants

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00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to sound high and mighty and probably intellectually above the room,

588
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: even though they're making good points. And they would say, look,

589
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Speaker 1: quarterback heard or not? Were we really gonna win the

590
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Speaker 1: Big Ten this year? I mean, our offensive line was

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Speaker 1: very suspect, our running back play was very suspect. We

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Speaker 1: had Jahan Dotson out there and couldn't get him the

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Speaker 1: ball half as much as we should have gotten it

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Speaker 1: to him. But I want to ask this, how serious

595
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Speaker 1: are we really about this whole thing? I mean, it's

596
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Speaker 1: not like our facilities and infrastructure situation just magically vanished

597
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Speaker 1: because we had James Franklin sign a new piece of

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Speaker 1: paper here and I'll go this far too. Camp D

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00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: would say, you ever heard of nil? How serious are

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Speaker 1: we about that? Committed are the powers that be around

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Speaker 1: here to really putting our best foot forward when it

602
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Speaker 1: comes to staying at the forefront of the evolutionary aspects

603
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: of this game are the right people ready to step

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Speaker 1: up there? And so it's just it would go on

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Speaker 1: and on and on and on, and you would have

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Speaker 1: some people say, look, I guess we know what our

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Speaker 1: ceiling is until we get quarterback figured out. And then

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Speaker 1: you'd have another camp that says, look, I mean I

609
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Speaker 1: trust our coaching staff to get good players in here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we have the best tacticians on

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Speaker 1: game day. And then you'd have another camp that says,

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Speaker 1: how would you ever know that we would have been

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Speaker 1: six and oh and set up for a second half

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Speaker 1: run with our current setup if our quarterback hadn't gone down.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the coaching staff got him injured. It

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Speaker 1: would never end. I've got evidence because I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: this thread right now. Even as we're live, there are

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00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: people posting in this threat. It's never ending. But it's

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Speaker 1: got to end sooner or later. We got to get

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Speaker 1: things figured out sooner or later. Here's the one commonality

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Speaker 1: that everyone has. Everyone understands whether you're in camp A, B, four, nine, twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: or eighteen. They always say, but I really hope Drew

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Speaker 1: Aller's the guy at quarterback, And that is I think

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Speaker 1: some middle ground that we can all come to. It's

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Speaker 1: the first five star quarterback they've brought on campus since

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Speaker 1: a guy named Christian Hackenberg. Seems like a long time ago,

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Speaker 1: it really was not that long ago. Seawan Cliffords announced

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Speaker 1: he's going to come back. That was met with a

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Speaker 1: collective who k literally a yawn. Producer. Jesse is all

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Speaker 1: in on the Drew Holer twenty two campaign. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's going to be ready to play this

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Speaker 1: year or not, but he is a guy who there

633
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Speaker 1: is immense amounts of hope for the future of Penn

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00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: State football riding on his shoulders, and a lot of

635
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Speaker 1: people are fully invested. I mean, I don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: I really hope they get it figured out. They're going

637
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: to have to probably get production from a couple of

638
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: young tailbacks this year. Offensive line has no choice but

639
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to get better. But Penn State it's fragmented. It's not divided, fragmented.

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00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: There are very few bailing, but there are also very

641
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: few people who are thrilled with the way things look

642
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: right now. So will soon see very fragment. And I

643
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: don't know when we do the post spring update that

644
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna have changed a whole lot, but I was

645
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: not ready for how complex and how layered the mood

646
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: tracker ended up being for Penn State today. Because if

647
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: you asked me to repeat what I just said, I

648
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: think I just have to start all over from scratch

649
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: and just scroll through this thread again. All right, for

650
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: those of you again I mentioned this earlier, I'm gonna

651
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: mention it again Late Kick Extra podcast we do it

652
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: once a week. We may be extending that, just just

653
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: hold on. Probably gonna have an announcement on that within

654
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: the next week or so. But I've been sort of

655
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: as a new habit, throwing a little slice of that

656
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: onto the end of Late Kick Life to just kind

657
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: of give you an idea of what that feels like. So, Jesse,

658
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: how many do we have? Do we have two? Or three?

659
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Then we got two questions? Yeah, we got two questions,

660
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: So let's see those up. We got a huge new

661
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: monitor in the studio, just like I'm looking at a

662
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: movie screen of myself right now. I've seen better movies.

663
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I'll just put it that way, all right, Jesse, Let's

664
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: see it up. Because I don't even have my email

665
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: pulled up, so I'll just wait, all right, So the

666
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: first question comes from Perry. He says, with all the

667
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: movie it was recently by Arkansas via the transfer portal,

668
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: do you see them making any headway in the brutal

669
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: SEC West Division. I think the answer is yes, and

670
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: they already did. I can't stress enough Arkansas, when you

671
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: factor in everything, was one of the most impressive teams

672
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: in the country this past year. In twenty twenty one.

673
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: You may think to yourself, didn't they lose four games?

674
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: They did lose four games, Guys, half of those losses

675
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: were to the participants in the National Championship Game. How

676
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: many teams out there you can take the playoff teams.

677
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Take Cincinnati and Michigan. If I hadn't played Georgia and

678
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Alabama in the regular season, what's their record? I mean,

679
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Arkansas had no reasonable shot at making the playoff this

680
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: past year. If I were to have kept that same

681
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: team and given them an acc schedule, maybe a big

682
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: twelve schedule, maybe they do make the playoff. My point

683
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: is people keep asking this in the future tents, is

684
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Arkansas going to make any headway? Dude? They're already making it.

685
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: They already did this past year. Now we understand we

686
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: have kJ Jefferson back at quarterback, making some really good

687
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: acquisitions than the transfer portal. Our buddies at college football

688
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: Nerds the other day, I thought made a really good

689
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: point for all the folks focusing on Drew Sanders and

690
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: focusing on, you know, the big wide receiver they got

691
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma. They also got mclothn the defensive back

692
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: out of LSU. That's a big pickup for them. But

693
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: they were approving Sam Pittman's proving. Like I said the

694
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: other day, that's a destination, the destination for recruits. They

695
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: got the number three class or four class, I want

696
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: to say, in the twenty twenty three cycle, but it's

697
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: a destination in the transfer portal. And then there's this

698
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: part three. Earlier today, if you were paying attention, there

699
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: was breaking news Kendall Briles, the offensive coordinator there, chooses

700
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: to remain at Arkansas, and there were some dissenting reports

701
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: that said, oh, he never had an offer from Miami.

702
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I would bet you a lot of money that job,

703
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: that oc job at Miami was on the table for him,

704
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: And in fact, I'd bet you every dime I have

705
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: right now, based on who I've talked to, the offer

706
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: was there he chose Arkansas. I'm not saying he didn't

707
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: deliberate late into the night last night, but he chose

708
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: to stay at Arkansas. A lot of people are doing

709
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: that as of late. If you haven't noticed, Arkansas is

710
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: a I don't know how put is a destination now

711
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: and that has not always been the case. And it's

712
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: pretty easy to see who to attribute that to. All Right,

713
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: Next up, Jesse, I man, I wish I could remember,

714
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: but I don't. Here we go, so tracks Dodge. He says,

715
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: how desperate does Georgia finally winning the national championship make Auburn?

716
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: And why is that so hilarious? We did a segment

717
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: on this. I don't know if it was last year

718
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: or earlier in twenty twenty one. There is a very

719
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: very interesting dynamic, specifically in the Georgia Auburn rivalry that

720
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: if you've been around it, you know, but if you

721
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: haven't been around it, you don't really get it. So

722
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: it's an intense rivalry. They call it the Deep South

723
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: oldest rivalry, but there are a lot of rivalries in

724
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: college football. This one was kind of unique because even

725
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: though Georgia has had the far more consistent program, over

726
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: the last just fifteen years. Whereas Auburn's had a couple

727
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: of spikes and then they've had very mediocre seasons, some

728
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: bad seasons. Auburn's always had one trump card that they

729
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: could pull out of their back pocket. Even if a

730
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: Georgia fan had them totally cornered and they were following

731
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: the debate through to a logical conclusion and they were

732
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: nine tenths of the way there, Auburn fan only had

733
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: to do one thing, and that's reaching their back pocket,

734
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: pull at that twenty ten national championship and say, where's yours?

735
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: Thirty three years old? You weren't even born the last

736
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: time they won one. Shut up? And for a long

737
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: time that shut you up. You just you had to

738
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: swallow it, and you either had to reverse course or

739
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: deflect to a new point in the debate. But now,

740
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: guess what happens. What happens is you've had the more

741
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: consistent program over a long period of time, you've had

742
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: the upper hand in the rivalry for quite a while,

743
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: and you just won a national championship. So that age

744
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: old trump card that they could pull out, you didn't

745
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: rip it up. It's still there, But you got one

746
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: in your back pocket. Now that looks a whole lot

747
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: shiny or and newer, because it is. But what I've

748
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: said about Auburn in years past is I'm not saying

749
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: that they are happy with Nick Saban being at Alabama

750
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: by any stretch. They despise every cell of the guy's

751
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: being up there. But they've come to accept what Nick

752
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: Saban at Alabama is, and they've come to accept they

753
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: don't really Bam. It may come as a surprise to you,

754
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: they don't battle Alabama in recruiting. This is a huge

755
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: misconception in the recruiting world. If you live in let's say, Pierre,

756
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: South Dakota, and you kind of follow recruiting, but you

757
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: just assume some things. You would assume Alabama and Auburn

758
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: probably fight it out on the recruiting trail every year.

759
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: They really don't. They don't compete for the same kids

760
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: more often than not these days. And it's not that

761
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: Auburn's kind of white flagged, but they understand where they

762
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: stand in the pecking order versus where Alabama does, and

763
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: they've accepted it, even though they don't have to like it.

764
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: But I've always said they can't have Georgia be there too.

765
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: They cannot have Georgia also ascend to a level where

766
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: they look and say, well, we can't match that either.

767
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: You can't do that because number one, you played both

768
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: of them every year. Number two they are your two

769
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: biggest rivals, and number three, your fan base looks around

770
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: and says, hold on a second. Now, I've got friends

771
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: who live up in Noonan who are Georgia grads, and

772
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I donate the same amount they do. I got buddies

773
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: who live up in Pelham who are Alabama grads. I donate.

774
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: My check looks no different when it goes to Auburn

775
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: than Jerry's up in Mountain Brook does when it goes

776
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: to Tuscaloosa. So why should we accept scraps when they

777
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: get filetmgnon as we would say in Harris County. You

778
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: got a good point, and that's why I think this

779
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: dynamic will probably shift here. Now you've got to look

780
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: at Auburn. There is no more uncertainty around any program

781
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: in the SEC right now than at the Universe or

782
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Auburn University, not the university of an Auburn University. No

783
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: one knows what's happening. You got coaches looking at the

784
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: exit door. Derrick Mason looks to be heavily involved with

785
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator position at Oklahoma State. That is also

786
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: something we're keeping a close eye on. And this time

787
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: last year, I mean, I was thrilled that Brian Harson

788
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: was able to get Derek Mason. It doesn't appear that

789
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: there was a lot of gelling that went on. You

790
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: heard later in the year those two didn't even really

791
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: talk to each other all that much. What a dynamic

792
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: head coach and defensive coordinator not really communicating all that much.

793
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know how you function as a football

794
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: program like that, But be that as it may. Then

795
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: you heard the Brian Harson smoke and the thing about

796
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: it is Harson, just as a guy, just as kind

797
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: of the way he carries himself kind of seems like

798
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: the coach that I want to root for, because he

799
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really suffer fools, and he's very hard knows and

800
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: he's process oriented, and he has the way that he's

801
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: going to do things and doesn't really care if you

802
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: like it or not. Those are normally attributes that I

803
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: admire in a coach. Having said that, there's also a

804
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: certain level of communication and a certain level of cohes

805
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: that you have to have, You have to blend into

806
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: the fabric of wherever it is you are in this sport.

807
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: At least it doesn't feel like he may have done

808
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: that down there, and so people don't know. There's a

809
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty around the future of Auburn And the

810
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: reason I'm teeing that up like this is because if

811
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: there are changes, I'm not telling you anything's imminent, but

812
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: if they're end up being changes in the next twenty

813
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: four to thirty six months for Auburn football, how critical

814
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: will that hire be. They're all critical, but think about

815
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: how critical that would be when you've got Alabama just

816
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: what they have been for a long time, but then

817
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: you got Georgia ascending to who knows what level. I

818
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: can assure you LSU's not going to get worse under

819
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, and oh, by the way, Jimbo Fisher and

820
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: Texas A and M are about to lock up the

821
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: highest rated recruited class in history. And you've got to

822
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: play every single one of those teams every year. That

823
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: is a third of your schedule. Thirty three percent of

824
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: your schedule is made up of Nick Saban Kirby Smart,

825
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, and Jimbo Fisher. You want to talk about

826
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: a pressure cooker. That is why I continue to maintain

827
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: when you factor in everything, this is the toughest job

828
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: in America. No, it's not as easy to win at

829
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio as it is Auburn. Absolutely, it's a

830
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: tougher thing to try and achieve at a high level

831
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: in the AAC than it is in the SEC. But

832
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: here's the thing about it. When you're at East Carolina,

833
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: they don't have the expectation level they do at Auburn.

834
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Auburn's got sky high expectations rightfully, in my opinion, because

835
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: the fan base they invest just like the other fan

836
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: bases do. They're not going to look around and say,

837
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: all right, we're still going to invest in an A level,

838
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: but we're just gonna accept C plus results. It's not

839
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: the way it works in the real world or in

840
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: this world. It's not the way it works. That's the

841
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: toughest job in major college football right now. Brian Harson's

842
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: got it. I don't know for how long, but Brian

843
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: Harson's got it. But that whole dynamic and Kirby Smart

844
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: winning a national title at Georgia. You can't imagine unless

845
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: you're really close to it on the ground. You can't

846
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: imagine the pressure that already was there, how much that

847
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: temperature knob gets turned all the way past ten to eleven.

848
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Very uncomfortable times. All right, we're done. We didn't have

849
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: any news break today during the show at least, so

850
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: who knows what happens. But once we go off air,

851
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: we go off air, and it's not our responsibility. So

852
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being tuned in. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you're following on Twitter and Instagram because obviously if this

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Speaker 1: stuff happens, who knows. We may have a Twitter spaces

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Speaker 1: thing we jump into. We've got all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: that happen there that don't happen on the show. At

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Josh on Twitter, at Late Kick Josh on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. For producer Jesse, for director Colin.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Bath, have yourself a great rest of your evening,

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