1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge, presented by a DraftKings. Clifton Brown 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: is stopping by the lounge today. Mink is taking his 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: one hundredth day of vacation this off season. I think 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Cliff and I have done more podcasts. I think you 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: and I have done more podcasts this off season than 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: me and Mink. 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: I gotta get Mink's a vacation policy, man. 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: I know that this is the quiet time and Mink 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: is taking full advantage of that. So Gary Downing and 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Clifton is joining me here today, and just as on 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: aside here before we get into the football talk, lots 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: of emails have come in Cliff about the draft that 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Make and I did last week, and I'm telling you 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: it was a landslide victory for you boy here. I mean, 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: it was an absolute I demolished him. I demolished him. 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: We did the ice cream Truck draft last week. If 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: you haven't listened to that episode it came out last week, 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: go back and check it out and email us to 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: the Lounge at Ravens at NFL dot net. I won't 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: read all the emails today because he's not here to 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: defend himself. There's no defense really, but he's not here 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to even attempt to defend himself, So go ahead and 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: send us an email. That'll give us time to get 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: some more to just embarrass him whenever Mant does decide 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: to come back to work. So with that preface, Cliff 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: and I want to kind of discuss what's been going 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: on over the past week and also answer some of 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: your questions. We have several questions here that you guys 29 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: have sent in, And the first thing that I want 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: to talk about is we knew that Odell and Lamar 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: we're going to spend some time together this offseason. Odell 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: told us that during Mini camp, and that's been happening. 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: They have gone to work on the field down in 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: Florida along with Day Flowers, and all three of those 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: guys also took part of Lamar's annual fun day down 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: and pomping a beach where he gets back to his 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: hometown and his community, which is a really special event 38 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: for him. OBJ and Zay Flowers both showed up to that. 39 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: So I just want to get your take on all 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of them and what it means. You know, what you 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: think the significance of it is. 42 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: I love it. I love to see those guys already 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: hanging out, you know, looking so natural doing it. I 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: just feel like it just kind of solidifies the feeling 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: that you know, Lamar is really happy with, you know, 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: some of the additions that have been made this summer, 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: and that they're all in a good place. I mean, 48 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 2: Lamar the contract thing is over a Zay bringing in him, 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: bringing him in another South Florida guy. You know that 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: they have the automatic connection. And then Odell someone who 51 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: Lamar was already friendly with and they have mutual respect 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: for each other. And also, like you know, I've been 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: commented to you that I think that this team has 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: a kind of a chip on his shoulder in a 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: good way that you know, Lamar, a lot of things 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: were said during his contract dispute. A lot of people 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: still have different opinions on you know, where he is 58 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: as a quarterback, and obviously he he wants to win 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl badly. Odell really hasn't played in a 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: couple of years. We know what he's done in the NFL, 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: but you know, people are asking, you know, is he 62 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: still that player? Can he stay healthy? And then Zay 63 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: being a rookie coming off a great college career, but 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: you know, the people talk about his size. Is he 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: going to be the same type receiver at this level 66 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: that he was at Boston College. They all have quote 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: unquote something to prove. And I think that they already 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: have a bond in many ways. And yes, I do 69 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: like them spending this offseason time together before even camp 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: gets started, Like. 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: We're not down there watching the workouts, so it's hard 72 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: to like draw too much from the videos that you see. 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: I do think, like when I just watched them, man 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: O'Dell Beckham seems to be moving really well. Like that 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: was something that stood out to me when he took 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: the field at Mini camp. He just seems to be 77 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: really agile. He seems to be moving well. We've seen 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: over the past few years, unfortunately some key players have 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: been working their way back from injuries that it can 80 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: take some time once they get on the field, but 81 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: O'Dell's had a lot of time. Like I didn't get 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: the sense like he's not right yet, Like I did 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: not feel that way at all and watching him, and 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: when I watched the videos of him down there training 85 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: in Florida with Lamar, like he just seems to be 86 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: moving so well. And I think that that is a 87 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: great sign for him in this offense. 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: I agree, And even he's kind of refers to as 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, kind of he's slowly doing kind of slow 90 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 2: rides or whatever. 91 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't look slow when I watched the videos. 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: It makes you wonder, like his top gear. Yeah, say 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: week one. And that's the thing. I mean, Odell expects 94 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: to play great football. He he he's a great football 95 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: player when he's right. He doesn't just expect to be 96 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: a guy who's out there making plays and doing pretty well. 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: He expects to be great. Lamar expects to be great, 98 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: and Zay was a great college player and has great 99 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: expectations for his career. So the bar for these guys 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: is very high, even Lamar. I mean to see him 101 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: able to be this healthy that he's you know, working 102 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: out every day and getting ready for a season the 103 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: way he wants to and obviously being excited about the 104 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: new offense with Todd Monkin. So yeah, it's just all 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: positive right now. I mean again, you look around the 106 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: league and a lot of teams right now, everybody's underfeed 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: and a lot of teams are optimistic. But when you 108 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: think about where the Ravens have been the past couple 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: of off seasons, particularly when you consider the injuries that 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: so many of their players have had. To me, this 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: team's in a lot better spot going into training camp 112 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: than they have been the past couple of years. 113 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think it also 114 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: just shows me it's another example of how like these 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: guys are all in, Like Lamar's all in in terms 116 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: of what he expects for this year. Like hey is 117 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: putting in the work. He put in the work here 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: throughout the offseason. He's putting in the work. He's continuing 119 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: to do that. Like he didn't leave here at the 120 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: end of many camp and is hanging out on the 121 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: beach like for a month I've been it's gonna show 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: up to training camp and try to get back in 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: shape or anything like that. Like he is putting in 124 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: work over this downtime because in his mind, like it's 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: it's go time, Like the season is is started, and 126 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: I think that them getting together, Like I don't know. 127 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I go back and forth on how much to make 128 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: out of guys spending time doing these throwing sessions in 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: the offseason, Like does it how much of a difference 130 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: does it make? I don't know, But I think what 131 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: it says to me is two things. One is what 132 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: I just mentioned, Like it shows that these guys are 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: all in that they're really focused. They're new teammates, so 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: they've never played a game together, and so like getting 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: a feel for each other during even if it's against 136 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: nobody and you're not in pads, like I think they're 137 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: just getting a feel for each other. The second thing 138 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: that it shows me is the commitment off the field 139 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: as well, like these guys. Odell lives out in Arizona. 140 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: I know Zay's from South Florida too, so it's not 141 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: like he's coming very far to spend spend time. But Odell, 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: you know, he can go anywhere he wants in the offseason, 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: whether it's Monaco or you know, we've seen that. But 144 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: like he wanted to go there and spend the time 145 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: working with Lamar and then also to go back for 146 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: the community event. I just think that shows that he's 147 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: committed to try to build up this relationship off the field, 148 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: build up the trust between him and Lamar and just 149 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: support each other. And I think that like that means something. 150 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I think that that relationship matters, and they're all those 151 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: guys are investing in it. 152 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're going to be spending a lot 153 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: of time together for the next five six months. And also, 154 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, talking about Odell, I think he's going to 155 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: be really good for Day to be a young wide 156 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: receiver coming into the league and to see a guy 157 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: who's been there, done that, not only with what he's 158 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: done on the field, but the way he gets ready 159 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: for the season, the way he trains, the way he 160 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: thinks about attacking defensive backs, the way he has played 161 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: in different offenses and can impart that knowledge to Day. 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: I think that's gonna speed up Zay's learning curve. And 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: everyone you talk to about Zay, I mean, had this 164 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: story on him a couple of weeks ago, talks about 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: what a gym rat he is, how hard he works, 166 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: how hard he practice is so for him this is 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: nothing new. But in college he was he was a 168 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: lead dog. He was kind of guy telling teammates, you know, 169 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: what they should be doing and setting example. Now he 170 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: comes to this level and immediately he's having reps with 171 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: O'Dell Beckham and Lamar Jackson. That to me can only 172 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: help him as a rookie wide receiver who because of 173 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: Odell's presence and Rashid Bateman and others. Zay doesn't have 174 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: to be coming in here thinking, hey, I've got to 175 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: get a thousand yards. He can just play well, fit 176 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: in and learn really quickly. I think it's a really 177 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: good situation for Zay to be in as a rookie. 178 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Zay did miss little bit of time during 179 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: the offseason with the soft tissue injury. You know, he'd 180 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: participated in mini camp, But I think it's encouraging that 181 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: he's able to work during this off time. It's not 182 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: like he's on the shelf. And so again it's not 183 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: like we're watching these workouts in their entirety. We're watching 184 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: the clips that had been posted. But he just seems 185 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: to be moving without any hesitation or restriction. His feet 186 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: are so fast, like he like, I know he's fast, 187 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: he's got top end speed, but like you know, his 188 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: change of direction, that agility. I think that Todd Muncken 189 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: could be really creative and how he deploys him and 190 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: just like find ways to get him to football, and 191 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: I think he can make people miss. I think he's 192 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: a home run threat and I just think that's gonna 193 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: add like such a new element to this offense as somebody. Yes, 194 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: he could take the top off, but like that ability 195 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: to make something happen underneath, whether it's a screen, if 196 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: it's a reverse, if it's a short slant route. Like 197 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: I just think he's going to be able to get 198 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: important yards when he gets the ball in his hands 199 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: in that part of the field. 200 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: That's the hope. You know that he's going to open 201 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: up the playbook even more and that the Ravens as 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: an offense are gonna be kind of pick your poison. 203 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if those those things you're talking about, 204 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: We know what Odell can do. You get Bateman back healthy, 205 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: you have Duverney. We haven't even talked about the tight 206 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: ends yet. I mean, you've got Mark Andrews serious problem 207 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: for the defense. And then you know Isaiah Likely we 208 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: saw what his potential is last year and Charlie Coolo 209 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: expect to see him, you know, make some players this year. 210 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: And then we haven't talked about Lamar either. You know 211 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: the dual threat he brings. So if they're clicking on 212 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: all cylinders, they'll be an offense that can attack you 213 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways. And you know, having 214 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: Lamar's an X factor to me is a guy who 215 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: can who can get you yards, you know, scrambling and 216 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: improvising extending plays as well as you know, throwing the 217 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: ball down field. I mean, this is this is the 218 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: deepest group of wide receivers he's ever had, This deep 219 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: deepest group of weapons he's ever had. And we haven't 220 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: talked about the running game either. This offense has the 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: potential to be extremely versatile. There's only one ball, it's timeline, 222 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: going said several times, but there's a lot of different 223 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: hands you can get that ball into. So I'm really 224 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: curious to see it all come together, because when we 225 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: know we're not going to see it during the preseason, 226 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: they're not going to show what they're really going to do. 227 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: So we've still got a little ways to. 228 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: See players or the scheme. Like it's going to be 229 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: over two. 230 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: On that front, right, it'll be as vanilla as it gets. 231 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Yeah, I'm curious. I want to get your 232 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: take on this. So I mentioned this in a podcasts 233 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: that we did before the fourth of July break that 234 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like chemistry is a bit overrated 235 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: when you're talking about receivers and quarterbacks. And my main 236 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: point there, and you've heard making I debate this in 237 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: the lounge off the air. My main point is that 238 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: I just think that great players can create chemistry quickly. 239 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: But I also think, like I'm not dismissing the time 240 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: that these guys are spending building up trust with each other. 241 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: And I think that as new teammates for Odell, Lamar 242 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: and Zay never played a game together, really have I mean, 243 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: from a practice standpoint, only thrown a couple passes between 244 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: Lamar and Odell in mini camp, not even you know, 245 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: probably not even double digit passes in eleven on eleven right, 246 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: And so I think that like having trust, familiarity, I 247 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: do think that that means something. 248 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: Well. 249 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: I also think that the chemistry thing can get overblown. 250 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: What's your take on that, Like, is the time that 251 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: they're spending together, how important is it? What should we 252 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: make of it? How is that going to affect things 253 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: in training camp in the season, Like, what is your 254 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: perspective on that? 255 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: I just think it's good. I mean, you don't want 256 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: to blow it, but yeah, it's definitely better than if 257 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: they weren't and just relied on their ability and the 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: fact that you know, we've got five six months until 259 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: the really big games there in February, where they can 260 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: build a chemistry to rely on that. I feel that, Yes, 261 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: it's important in that it builds camaraderie. It definitely helps 262 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: with the timing that they will have coming into training camp, 263 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: the familiarity already talked about. I think it just helps 264 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: Zay soaking up knowledge being around guys like that. So yeah, 265 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: I think it's important. I mean, is it more critical 266 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: than being healthy in December and January? 267 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: No? 268 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: If they weren't together now, do I feel that they 269 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't have enough time to do it in training camp? Yeah, 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: I think they still could. But it's good. It's a 271 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: good sign. And yeah, I mean, Odell is a big 272 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: personality coming to a new team, and so to see 273 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: him get off to such a you know, comfortable start 274 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: with Lamar is a good sign. And to see them, 275 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, you know, being healthy enough to do 276 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: all these things, it's all good. So it is important. 277 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: Is it critical? No? But I would say it's important. Yeah. 278 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: I do like the way that Odell has tried to 279 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, indoctrinate himself to this team, this culture. 280 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: You know, he was here at mini camp. Obviously, he 281 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: was in and out of times during the off season, 282 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, wasn't on the field at all during OTAs 283 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: spent that time training out in Arizona. But I do 284 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: like the way that he has shown a commitment to 285 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: like just getting to know Lamar and the receivers. And 286 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: that's why I think like the community event. Yeah, like 287 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: a lot of guys support each other's community endeavors, and 288 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Lamar giving back to Papa the Beach is clearly something 289 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: that has been very important to him throughout his entire career, 290 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: and so for Odell to go back there and be 291 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: part of that, I just think that shows the re 292 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: relationship that they're building, and I think that that is 293 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: something that shouldn't be overlooked. Like I just I think 294 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: it's easy to be like, oh, players supporting another player's 295 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: community thing, right, But like, this is a player who 296 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: doesn't live in the area, you know who again, who 297 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: could be anywhere he wants during the off season, but 298 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: he wanted to be there support, spend time with the kids, 299 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: spend time with Lamar, and I think that that matters. 300 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: It does, and I mean I think it speaks obviously 301 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: speaks to Odell give him a lot of credit for 302 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: doing that. I think it speaks to Lamar too though. 303 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: I Mean you hear all the time players talking about 304 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: how much they like playing with Lamar, and I think 305 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: that it's just his personality. I think Lamar very genuine person. 306 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: You see the clips, you know, with the way he 307 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: interacts with the kids. He's just He's Lamar. I mean, 308 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: he's a unique guy. To me. He he is very 309 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: much his own man, does things his way. And yeah, 310 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: I think people respect that. Teammates respect they would respect 311 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: him anyway because of his ability, but they respect him 312 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: as a person. And I think that, Yeah, he's very 313 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: easy to play with and he's very easy for teammates 314 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: to get along with, both offense and defense. It's not 315 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of quarterbacks, you know, the defense 316 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: doesn't really get to know the quarterback that well. With Lamar, 317 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: Lamar knows everybody, and so yeah, I think for both 318 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: of them, it speaks highly that they seem to really 319 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: be in sync. And again it's not critical that it 320 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: happens so quickly, but it is a plus as they 321 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: move into training camp. 322 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I prefer this than the alternative. Yes, you will, 323 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: so all right, Let's take a quick break and we 324 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: come back. We'll dive into some of your questions going 325 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: into training camp. All right, this episode of the podcast 326 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: is coming to you from the seat Geeks Dido. We 327 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: also want to give a shout out to our friends 328 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: at DraftKings, which is the official sports betting partner of 329 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens and it has a limit of time 330 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: offer that you don't want to miss. Here's what you 331 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: need to do. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app today. Use 332 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: the code flock. 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Get those passes. 354 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this after that and you're saying, man, 355 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: I missed the opportunity to see the guys' training camp, 356 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: don't worry because there's also the free open practice that 357 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: we're having at M and T Bank Stadium on July 358 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, so you can still You still need to 359 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: claim passes for that practice, so you can do that 360 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: at Baltimore Ravens dot Com as well. There's obviously a 361 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 1: lot more passes at the stadium than there are a 362 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: little more capacity there, so you can get passes for 363 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: that event that is again going to be on July 364 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: twenty ninth. So we're looking forward to seeing people at 365 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: training camp. I know a lot of people are looking 366 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: forward to seeing the team. So we got some emails 367 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: here that I want to read. You can email us 368 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Brent 369 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: Tompkins says, long time listener, first time emailing, so thank 370 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: you for listening and for emailing. He says that you 371 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: guys make my drives to work a little more interesting. 372 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: His question, why are people not talking about the Ravens 373 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: more or this offseason? All I hear is how great 374 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Bengals, the Bills, and the Jets are 375 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: going to be. It's ridiculous. I'm interested to hear what 376 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: you think. It's kind of Cliff is kind of similar 377 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: to the conversation we had yesterday off the air. The 378 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: AFC is stacked and the Ravens got their work cut 379 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: out from him, and I think that kind of goes 380 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: to Brent's question. There's a lot of talk about these 381 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: other teams, whether it's a new quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, 382 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: whether it's the Chiefs who just won the Super Bowl, 383 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: the Bengals who have gone to two straight AFC championships. 384 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of talk about these other teams 385 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: and the Ravens to some extent are flying a little 386 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: bit under the radar. 387 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: Why do you think that is for the reasons you 388 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: just mentioned, And I think it's good for the Ravens. 389 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Like you like being the underdog, I like, yeah, I 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: like being unnoticed. Yeah, you know, let me walk in 391 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: and you know, take the cake, you know, or everybody's 392 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: paying attention to somebody else. I mean, yeah, I think 393 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 2: the Ravens are flying under the radar. I mean they 394 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: have in the last two years, you know, able to 395 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: well two years ago get into the playoffs and then 396 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: last year advanced in the playoffs. The Bengals have been 397 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: the two straight AFC Championship games. The Chiefs are the 398 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl Championship champions. People should be talking about them, 399 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: you know. So, yeah, you got Aaron Rodgers now in AFC. 400 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: There's a lot of different ways you can look without 401 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: looking to Baltimore. But I think that's good for the Ravens. 402 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: I think that they will use that as a little motivation. 403 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, they I don't think they sneak 404 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: up on anyone. If the Bengals are they thinking about 405 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: the Ravens, I would say yes. If he has the Chiefs, 406 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: do they have respect for the Ravens and everybody AFC? 407 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: I would say yes. But yeah, the media and the 408 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: national perception is that the Ravens are not among the 409 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: top dogs in the AFC. And I wonder if anybody 410 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: you know on a national level that we listen to 411 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: and read a lot is gonna pick the Ravens as 412 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 2: a team to go to Super Bowl. I wouldn't be 413 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: surprised they get totally overlooked. I think that's good. 414 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, are friends at DraftKings. In terms of the favorites 415 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: to win the AFC, they have the Chiefs as the favorite. 416 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: That it's the Bills, the Bengals, and the Ravens are 417 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: tied with the Jets and the Dolphins. The Jyguars and 418 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: the Chargers are right behind them. So you know, they're 419 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: fourth in terms of favorites to win the conference and 420 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: they're tied for fourth with you know, two other teams. 421 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: So that's like, and I'm with you, like, I think 422 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: I think most fan bases, especially this one, like being 423 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: the underdog, Like that kind of speaks to the identity 424 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: of the team and the city and the grits and 425 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Like I think people like being an underdog, 426 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: and most fan bases probably claim that. I think it's 427 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: especially true. And in twenty nineteen, I don't remember everybody 428 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: picking the Ravens to win it that year or to 429 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: go fourteen to two, Like I don't remember that being 430 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: the conversation going into that season. I think there were 431 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: more questions than there were high expectations. So like I 432 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: it's fine. I think that like that's that's fine, Like 433 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: those teams deserve the deserve the conversation. Like that doesn't 434 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: bother me that people are talking about the Bengals and 435 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: the Bills and the Chiefs. I think that that conversation 436 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: and that focus on those teams is warranted. But I'm 437 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: not at all writing the Raves off and saying like 438 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: they can't win the conference, they can't go to the 439 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: super Bowl, they can't win a super Bowl. Like I 440 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: think that they are going to be firmly in that 441 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: in that mix, and I think that it's just a 442 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: really difficult AFC, Like I yesterday when you and I 443 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: were talking about it, you know, we spent like ten 444 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: minutes talking about it, and then it's like, oh, by 445 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: the way, we haven't even mentioned Miami. You know, Miami 446 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: is going to be a really good team. They went 447 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. I think Pittsburgh is going to be 448 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: a better team this year. They're always They're always right there, 449 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: and that is not going to be easy. So it's 450 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: like the conference is hard, the division is difficult. The 451 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: Bengals are really good. I just mentioned I think Pittsburgh 452 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: is going to be good. It gives me a hard 453 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: time because he always say I'm scared of Pittsburgh. But 454 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: I just think they're incredibly well coached, tough team and 455 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: generally speaking over the past, you know, history of the franchise. 456 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: When you're when you're doing the game the Dubs game 457 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: win loss, win loss, you often end up splitting that. 458 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: You typically end up splitting that rivalry, all right. And 459 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: then the Browns, I'm not completely overlooking them, Like with 460 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson in the second season full year there, like, 461 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm not dismissing them. 462 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean I don't see how you could. I mean, 463 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: he played six games last year, so assuming he stays healthy, 464 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: they almost have to be better than they were last year. 465 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: A tougher team to beat, certainly tougher offensively. And yeah, 466 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: to me, the unusual schedule the Ravens have, having those 467 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: three division road games that early, I don't know if 468 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: I've ever seen that before, And that to me means that, yeah, 469 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens need to be ready to go early, that 470 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: they don't have the luxury of kind of cruising up 471 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: to speed. You always want to be a better team late, 472 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: peaking at the right time. If you can put those. 473 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: You don't want to be climbing out of a hole 474 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: for the whole season either. 475 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: Those games are really important, all division games are, and 476 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: they have them stacked up early, the ones on the road, 477 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: they will have the advantage of having all those teams 478 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: come to them later. But as you said, no, you 479 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: don't want to you don't want to dig yourself an 480 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: early holes. 481 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean the schedule is tough, Like I mean, 482 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Texans Week one home opener, that should be a win, 483 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: but then then then you go to Cincinnati, then you 484 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: come back home, you're playing the Colts. Ravens will gain 485 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: be favored in that game, that should be a win. 486 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: But then then you go Browns, Steelers, then London. That's 487 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: a tough stretch, and so you just you want to 488 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: be in a situation early on where you are. I mean, look, 489 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: if you can win those games, if you can steal 490 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: two out of the three there on the road, if 491 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: you could steal all three, that'd be amazing. But like, 492 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: if you can steal a couple of the road games 493 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: there in the division early on and build up a nicely, 494 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: that would be a good place to be, and then 495 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: you can play from you know, you can play from 496 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: in front. So it's a good question, Brent. I appreciate 497 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: the email, and I just you know, don't get mad. 498 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: Don't get mad just because there's all this talk on 499 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: d SPAN or NFL Network about these other teams. It's 500 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: okay to be under the radar right now. If once 501 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: the Ravens are piling up the wins, then the conversation 502 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: will come. So just wait, just be patient. Okay. Here's 503 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: an email from Greg. Greg says, I'm so stoked for 504 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: the season to begin. After listening to the episode of 505 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: the Random Questions, I can't stop thinking about how the 506 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Ravens for the first time in the while have great 507 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: depth a wide receiver. We've seen what good depth at 508 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: the position looks like, but the Bengals having three guys 509 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: who seem to be impossible to cover. I get excited 510 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: thinking about that. The Ravens are going to be in 511 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: a position like the Bengals at the receiver spot and 512 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: maybe even be better. I can't wait for the revenge 513 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: games this year. Love the lounge and thanks for the 514 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: content throughout the dead part of the offseason. Thank you 515 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: Greg for the email. I mean, I'm with him, I agree. 516 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: I think I think the receiver position and the depth. 517 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: I think that the Ravens added top and talent, and 518 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I think they added death at that spot. And then 519 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: there's something that you're you know, will wait and see, 520 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: like Zay Flower and I think he's got tremendous potential, 521 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: but his rookie, so it's hard to say. 522 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean to me, Lamar has never had that 523 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: kind of depth at that position. Yeah, sure to work with. 524 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: And they're meshing into an offense that we all expect 525 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: to be a little less run oriented, So those guys 526 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: are going to have opportunities, I feel to get the 527 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: ball in their hands. And yeah, I think that opponents now, 528 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: particularly early, nobody really knows what the Ravens are gonna 529 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: look like offensively, and that could be an advantage for 530 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: them early. 531 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: I think it was in nineteen. 532 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: It definitely was no one knew exactly what they expect 533 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: and when they saw it, they weren't ready for the Ravens. Well, 534 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: hope that that's the same situation this year, a different style, 535 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: but oh man, we weren't ready for that. We weren't 536 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: expecting that being a half step behind. That could be 537 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 2: an advantage for the Ravens coming out of blocks, particularly 538 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: if they're healthy, which they're gonna go into training gam healthy. 539 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: Uh. 540 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: You know, we all know how John Harball and his 541 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: staff get the team ready for the regular season. They 542 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: could have an advantage early with this new system that 543 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: no one has seen with these players in this system 544 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: with toym Mockt and Hoopefully for the Ravens out being advantage. 545 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just in terms of really kind of dominating 546 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: Greg's point, like a the receiver spot, you know, I 547 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: think like there's been the Bengals have probably been the 548 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: class in terms of having those three guys you know 549 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: everythingk most most teams in the league would love to 550 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: have a trio like Jamar Chase and t Higgins and 551 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd. But and I think that the Ravens now 552 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: have some really good players at that spot. There's questions, 553 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, guys come back from injury and all that. 554 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: But I think that the potential of this group, I 555 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: think it's as good as a receiving corps that we've 556 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: had here in a long time. I think, I mean, 557 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: and a lot of it on health, of course, but 558 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: I think that if these guys are healthy, this could 559 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: be the best receiving core that I've seen here in Baltimore. 560 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: I think the best that I've seen is probably it's 561 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: probably twenty twelve. And that was Tory, that was Jacoby, 562 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: that was Ankwan, and you had pittas a tight end. 563 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: That was probably the best. You know that group there 564 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: fourteen You had Steve Smith, Tory, she still had Dennis 565 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: who had been coming off the injuries at that point 566 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: at tight end, and you had Jacoby. But I don't know, 567 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: I think it was Wit twelve. I think this group 568 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: on paper could be even better than that group. 569 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you think about that twenty twelve group 570 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: you can easily in your mind see you know an Kwan, 571 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: Tory and Jacoby making huge plays in the playoffs, like 572 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: different making plays. 573 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: That Hi miracle is pretty good play. 574 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and without any of them, even yeah, the 575 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: catch Pita made know in that game, you know, to 576 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: keep it, keep its eye going. 577 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: This is that this is memory and I think about 578 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: a Kuon going up and just ripping the ball away 579 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: from people that entire postseason, or Tory ending Champ Bailey's 580 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: career in that game. 581 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: Right, I. 582 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: Know. 583 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: And without that, the Ravens don't want to sup. Yeah, 584 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: I mean they needed all of those guys to make 585 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: really huge plays. That's what you want, and that's what 586 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: the Ravens hope they will see this year. But yeah, 587 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: instead of having just one guy or two guys, now 588 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: they have multiple players in my opinion, who can make 589 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: huge plays, and that makes them more difficult to cover. 590 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: You're playing the Ravens. Now, you put your best corner 591 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: on Odell, then you've got to deal with Bateman, you know, 592 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: if you've got a deal with Zay and do it 593 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: and so on. You know, Andrews, he always during his 594 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: career has drawn huge attention him. 595 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes even a corner has covered him. Yeah, so like 596 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: if you do it because because now if you do 597 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: that right, okay, well now you're leaving Odell out there 598 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: right on the edge. 599 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: It's problem. They cause a matchup problems now in ways 600 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: that I don't think they were able to do before. 601 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: And the health is huge, but health is huge with 602 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: all teams. But hopefully these guys will be healthy, and 603 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: then if they are, I have no doubt that they'll 604 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: be a good offensive team, but with the potential to 605 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: be a great offensive team if things come together. 606 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, this one is a little bit more 607 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: nitty gritty here, but this is it's a good question. 608 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: This is from Will and Pittsburgh, which I appreciate. Will 609 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: you know in Steelers Country listening to lounge and writing, 610 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: He says, can you give an update on trayvon Mullen, 611 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: the cornerback and how he has looked so far? Former 612 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: second round pick y a size and speed to be 613 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: really good. There's been talk about adding another corner, but 614 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: is trayvon Mullen a sleeper at that spot? 615 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that he and a whole lot 616 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: of corners are gonna get they have an opportunity. I 617 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: think it's a little too early to say how the 618 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: corners shake out beyond Marlin and Rock is scent. That's 619 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: one of the big I think question marks or talking 620 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 2: points in training camp Ravens. And first of all, they 621 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: may and they may sign another corner. And then how 622 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: are they gonna rotate the corners? How often they're gonna 623 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: play three safeties instead of maybe three playing three corners? Yeah, 624 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: who's gonna play the majority of snaps that Nickel? 625 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all a quest. I actually think he is 626 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: a sleeper though. I think that, like to to the 627 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: question there from Will, like I do think that people 628 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: are sleeping on treybon ull want a little bit in 629 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: that conversation. I think the two starters are gonna be 630 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: Marlin and Rock. That's gonna be your two starting corners. 631 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: But I think that from what I have seen, Like 632 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: if the Raves are playing a game today, I think 633 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: that and and Marlin are rock how to come out 634 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: and got hurt? I think about Mullen would be the 635 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: guy that steps in there. Now, maybe it's Brandon Stevens, 636 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: but he's been playing a lot of safety, you know. 637 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: And that's what John Harbot said. They want to you know, 638 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of put him in safety, Mullen is I you will. 639 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: I like the potential of Jalen Arbor Davis and Pepe Williams, 640 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: but they really didn't practice Harley at older in the offseason, 641 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: so it's hard to know exactly what you have there. 642 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: And Mullen is a talented player, as he mentioned as 643 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: a former second round pick. Could the Ravens still as somebody, Yes, 644 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: I think it's still possible. But I do think that 645 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: like he has, he has a chance to make this 646 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: team and end up being a valuable backup. And we 647 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 1: know at the cornerback position, your backups end up. They 648 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: end up being your starters at certain points at the 649 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: season and playing significant snaps. I still wonder about the 650 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: third cornerback, that nickel role, how the Ravens, you know, 651 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: what they want to do there and how they end up, 652 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, put somebody in that spot. But I think 653 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: I do. I like his I think it's a good question, 654 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: and I think that Mullen is going to be some 655 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: to watch very closely in the preseason and in training camp, 656 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: and I liked what I saw from him and if 657 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: he if he plays well, then he could very well 658 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: earn himself a role on this team this year. 659 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: He'll have an opportunity. 660 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: He's got an opportunity. That's for guys like that. 661 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: That's all you can ask for it, that's all you 662 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: can ask for. 663 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as always, you can email us to the 664 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We love your emails. 665 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: Continue to fill up the inbox with more support for 666 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: the dominant draft that I had over making the ice 667 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: cream draft ice cream truck Draft. And then coming up 668 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: next week on Monday, we're gonna have an interesting episode. 669 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: We are looking back at some of the top twenty 670 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: five moments in mt Bak Stadium history, so it was 671 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: kind of it's a kind of a fun look down 672 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: memory lane. This is actually the twenty fifth season at 673 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: Mtybak Stadium, so we look back at some of the 674 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: great moments and as part of that, we're gonna have 675 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,479 Speaker 1: a poll on our website ranking the best moments that 676 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: have taken place at home throughout our history franchise history 677 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: at mcbank. So make sure you listen to that episode. 678 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: Also make sure you keep an eye out for that 679 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: poll coming out next week. It's gonna be a bracket 680 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: style system over the course of the next few weeks, 681 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: so a lot of fun good so that's something to 682 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: look forward to. We appreciate you listening and we will 683 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: talk with you again next week.