1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: There is news coming out of Washington right now that 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Republican senators are now urging Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: in the minority, to ensure that the Majorcis impeachment trial 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: moves forward. That's right, Thirteen Republican senators are now on 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: the record is urging the GOP leader to force a 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: formal impeachment trial of President Joe Biden's pro migration border 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: chief Majorcis. Myorcis, was impeached by the House on February 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: thirteenth for refusing to enforce the nation's border laws. The 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Democrats and some pro establishment GOP centers are hinting they 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: will ignore the House's impeachment and will not conduct the 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Mayorchis trial in the Senate. The senator's letter to Mitch 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: McConnell says this quote, can we call on you to 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: join our effort to jettison this approach by Democrats to 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: shrink their constant duty ensure that the Senate conducts a 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: proper trial and that every Senator, Republican and Democrat, adjudicates 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: this matter when the Senate returns. A Senate decision to 17 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: ignore the House's impeachment is an action rarely contemplated and 18 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: never taken by the US Senate in the history of 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: our republic, the GOP lead letter says, adding this, it 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 1: remains to be seen if the Senate rules will even 21 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: allow us to brush aside our duty in this manner. 22 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: But one thing is for sure. 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: If a similar strategy was contemplated by Senate Republicans while 24 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: we were in the majority, with a Republican occupying the 25 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: White House, the opposition would be fierce and the volume 26 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: from Democrats would be deafening. Thirteen GOP centers, including Senator 27 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Mike Lee, Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Rick Scott, 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Senator Roger Marshall, Senator Ted budd and Senator Marsha Blackburn, 29 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: have all joined together in this. Senator Chuck Schumer, a 30 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Democrat from New York, the Senate majority leader, has already 31 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: dismissed the impeachment, saying this House Republicans failed to present 32 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: evidence of anything resembling an impeachable offense. This is a 33 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: new low for House Republicans. Schumer ended his statement Senator 34 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: Mike Lee putting this out on X saying, quote, GOP 35 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: leadership must push for an impeachment trial for the Department 36 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: of Homeland Security Secretary. My orcis we cannot allow Chuck 37 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Schumer to sweep the Biden administration's border invasion under the rug. 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Now, now you combine this with the 75 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: story that I talked about on our last show, the 76 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: story and a warning coming from Obama administration officials about 77 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the number of Terrasts on the Terrast's watch list that 78 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: are coming across our southern border at staggering rates, and 79 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: those are the ones that we're catching. We also have 80 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: a warning that says we are really concerned about Terrists 81 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: coming across the border, that we have not caught the gotaways, 82 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: and how many of those are there, we may never know. 83 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: But what I do know is this, these senators are 84 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: now coming together and they're saying, it is clear that 85 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: the Department of Home Land Security Secretary Majorcis is not 86 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: enforcing the federal laws that are on the books. He 87 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: is putting our national security at risk. He is deliberately 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: looking the other way. And that's why the House indicted 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: my Orchis for refusing their words to enforce Congress's laws 90 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: that reques acquire the detention of migrants at the nation's 91 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: border until their asylum claims are completed. 92 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: What we also know is this administration. 93 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Is proud of the fact they've allowed twenty million plus 94 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: legal immigrants into this country, and they have pushed to 95 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: give them voting rights just six years from now in 96 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the year twenty thirty, pro migration advocates, including my Orchis, 97 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: describe their alternative catch and release policy is just prosecutoral discretion, 98 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: as they describe it. However, the policy clearly encourages, the 99 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: Republicans say, illegal migration by showing would be migrants that 100 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: they can get the American jobs they need to pay 101 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: smuggling debts. Poor migrants can now safely mortgage their homes 102 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: and farms to get a job in the United States 103 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: of America because of the Biden administration. 104 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: Specifically my Orchis, the. 105 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: Policy also gives the business alliance of smugglers, drug cartels, 106 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: their members, and labor traffickers a quasi legal convoy belt 107 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: for getting clients into the United States of America and 108 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: getting their clients' wages back to foreign bank accounts. This 109 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: unspoken cooperation between the smuggling business and the White House, 110 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Republicans say, successfully extracts vast amounts of human resources from 111 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: needy countries. The imported workers, consumers, and renters then push 112 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: up Wall Street stock values by shrinking American wages, subsidizing 113 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: low productivity companies, boosting rents to levels we've never seen 114 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: in this country. And spiking real estate prices because of 115 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: the high housing demand is destroying many Americans dream of 116 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: owning their own home. 117 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: But that's not all. Under Biden and then under moorcis. 118 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: The policy that they have is basically imported at least 119 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: six point two million migrants that they believe should be 120 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: voting in our elections. It has killed Americans, many Americans 121 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: and killed many of the migrants who are taking a 122 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: very dangerous voyage, in illegal voyage into the United States 123 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: of America. Many of them are on the taxpayer funded 124 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: jungle trail through the Panama Canal, the Darren Gap in Panama. 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: This is part of the problem as well. Then there's 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: the other problem. 127 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: Fetanyl fetanel is the number one killer of people in 128 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: this country forty nine and under the lethal and destructive 129 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: cooperation with this administration, with the drug cartels, with the 130 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: human smugglers is the worst thing this country has ever 131 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: seen and it is changing this country and majorcists knows it. 132 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: We have a nation that's supposed to have borders that 133 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: no longer exist in this country. 134 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: Let me say that again. 135 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: This man who's in charge of our border security has 136 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: single handedly, at the obviously support of the White House, 137 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: quietly dismantled this nation's border and our border defenses. MYORCIS, 138 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: for example, has repeatedly asked Congress to quote fund fewer 139 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: detention beds. 140 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: Why. I think we all know why. 141 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: Similarly, McConnell's border bill would have legalized a catch and 142 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: release highway for all migrants who simply promised to file 143 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: for asylum. The secretly negotiated bill was discarded once the 144 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: GOP Caucus learned how it would open the nation's borders. 145 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: And that's not all. 146 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: We also know that many of these Republican Rhinos are 147 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: not willing to fight for our border security. 148 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: They're not willing to protect our border security. 149 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: They're not willing to do anything to support Americans' lives 150 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to what's happening with FETNL as well. 151 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: Now you put all of this together and you realize 152 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: that this is the most Unamerican policy we've ever had 153 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: in this country. And when I say un American, what 154 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean is they're trying to fundamentally change this country. 155 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: They're trying to change this country into something that you 156 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: can't even recognize. That's what the administration is trying to do. 157 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: And it's not just they're trying to do that. What 158 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: they're also trying to do is they're trying to make 159 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: sure that once this many people get into this country illegally, 160 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: there's no way. 161 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: You can ever get them out. 162 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that I love about this show 163 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: is I get to let you hear what's going on 164 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: in Washington. As many of you know, I co hosse 165 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: podcast with Center Ted Cruz is called Vertic with Tech Cruz, 166 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: and I got to ask him about him signing this 167 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: letter and what the Republicans plan is moving forward and 168 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: what they are going to have to deal with when 169 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: it comes to Mitch McConnell. I want you to hear 170 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: that part of the conversation. Take a listen. 171 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: Well. 172 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: Next week, the Senate will receive the articles of impeachment 173 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: and the Senate will return from recess on February twenty sixth, 174 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: And under the Senate rules, when the Senate receives articles 175 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: of impeachment, the next thing that happens is that senators 176 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: are sworn in as jurors the next day and a 177 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 3: trial is supposed to proceed. However, Chuck Schumer has made 178 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: clear he doesn't want to have a trial. He doesn't 179 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: want anyone in America to know about the absolute disaster 180 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 3: that is unfolding on our southern border. And so what 181 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: Schumer is indicated he intends to do is use a 182 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: procedural mechanism called take the articles of impeachment. What does 183 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: it mean to table the articles of impeachment? It means 184 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 3: he wants the Senate to vote no, we're not going 185 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: to take these up. In other words, he wants the 186 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 3: Senate not to adjudicate the articles of impeachment at all, 187 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: not to conclude guilty or not guilty, simply to table 188 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: it on a party line vote and move on. And 189 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: the purpose of this look, we've talked a lot on 190 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: this podcast about how the disaster on the southern border. 191 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: You cannot defend it on the merits, you cannot defend 192 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: it on the substance. The Democrats have one strategy and 193 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: one strategy only, and that is hide it from the 194 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: American people. In order to hide it from the American people, 195 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: they need to make sure that the average person doesn't 196 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: know the human suffering that the Democrats open borders are causing. 197 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: That's why Schumer wants to table the articles of impeachment 198 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: at the outset, never have a trial, never hear the evidence, 199 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: never consider anything, and never put any senator on record 200 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: adjudicated the claims. 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It's something it's 237 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: very rare when it's a cabinet member obviously throughout history. 238 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: But let's talk about what a trial would actually look like. 239 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: Does it look very much like what we've seen before 240 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to an impeachment trial for a president. 241 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: Well, it potentially does, but there are differences. So, for example, 242 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: the Constitution specifies that when the President of the United 243 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: States is impeached, the Chief Justice of the United States 244 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: will preside. By the way, interesting trivia, do you know 245 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: what the title of John Roberts is? 246 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: What is it? 247 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: John Roberts is the Chief Justice of the United States. 248 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: He is not the Chief Justice of the United States 249 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Just like Joe Biden is the President of 250 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: the United States, John Roberts is the Chief Justice of 251 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 3: the United States. That that is the formal and technical title. 252 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: The Constitution provides the Chief Justice will preside over the 253 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: impeachment trial of a president. Because obviously mayor is not 254 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: a president, the Chief Justice will not preside. Instead, the 255 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: trial is typically presided over by the President pro tem, 256 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: which right now is Patty Murray, Democrat, Senator from Washington State. Now, 257 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: when it comes to cabinet members impeaching cabinet members is 258 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: exceptionally rare. In fact, this is only the second time 259 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: in history the House is impeached a cabinet member, and 260 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: even that is overstating it because the last Cabinet secretary 261 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: to be impeached was Secretary of War William Belknap, and 262 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: that was in eighteen seventy six. Now what's interesting about 263 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: Belknap is right before the House voted to impeach him, 264 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: Belknap resigned. So may Orcas is actually the first sitting 265 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: cabinet member ever to be impeached. And in terms of 266 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: how the trial will proceed, the Senate is not obligated 267 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: to hold a full trial on the floor of the Senate, 268 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 3: as the Senate does for the impeachment of a president, 269 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: and so, for example, in past impeachments, a number of 270 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: judges have impeached, and what the Senate has done in 271 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: the past is appointed an impeachment committee to conduct the trial. 272 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 3: And typically that committee consists of an equal number of 273 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: Republicans and Democrats, members of both parties, and so it 274 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: can be a smaller group of the Senate that conducts 275 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: the trial. But what has always happened is that the 276 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: House managers get to present their evidence, they get to 277 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: prosecute the case, they get to put on the trial. 278 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: And what has also always happened is the senators adjudicate. 279 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: All one hundred senators ultimately adjudicate guilt or innocence. So 280 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: if the Senate appoints an impeachment committee, that committee makes 281 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: a recommendation to the Senate, but then every Senator goes 282 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 3: on record voting. What Schumer is trying to do he 283 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 3: knows that if there's a trial, even of a smaller 284 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: committee than the full Senate, that that will force press 285 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: coverage of the absolute disaster Mayorcus has been, the disaster 286 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 3: Biden has been, the open border chaos they have produced. 287 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: And Schumer doesn't want anyone to know that. And so, 288 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: as I said, what he wants to do is instead 289 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: just right at the outset before anything starts, say we're 290 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: not going to hear any evidence. We're not going to 291 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: have a trial. The House managers are not going to 292 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: present the evidence. They don't get to prosecute the case. 293 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: No senator is going to vote guilty or not guilty. 294 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 3: We're simply going to vote to table and make it 295 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: go away. 296 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: Now, there's been a lot of media Republican establishment rhinotypes 297 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: had been out there saying this is a terrible decision 298 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: by conservatives to do this, that this is we already 299 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: know what the outcome of the vote's going to be. 300 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: This is going to be an embarrassing moment slash failure, 301 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: and so why the hell are they doing this? If 302 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: that was the case, then Democrats wouldn't be fighting this. 303 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: I don't think this is a mistake, do you at all? 304 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is about national security as well, and 305 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: that's something that the media and these Republican talking heads 306 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: I think they're forgetting that this is about someone that 307 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: is not enforcing the laws of land, not protecting a country, 308 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: having an open border policy, deliberately not getting rid of 309 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: people that come in this country and break our laws 310 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: who are here illegally. And on top of all that, 311 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a national security issue from the domestic from the 312 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: terrorists on the terrorist watch list that are coming across 313 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: the border at staggering numbers. 314 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 315 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: So I don't know who's been going on TV saying that. 316 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: So I can say this with complete free conscience because 317 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: I don't know who I'm talking about. But anyone who 318 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: says that is a blithering idiot. With an IQ below 319 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: room temperature. To say it is a mistake to impe 320 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: Chalajandro Majorcus for aiding and abetting a criminal invasion of 321 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: the United States of America by global cartels that have 322 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: sent ten million people illegally into this country, that are 323 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: bringing murderers and rapists and gang members into this country, 324 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: that are abusing children, that are raping women, that are 325 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: potentially smuggling in Hamas and hezbel A terrorists. To say 326 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: that it is a mistake for Republicans to fight for 327 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: the House to impeach majorcis they should have done this 328 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: two years ago. You and I have both been calling 329 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: for this for two years. And in the Senate, look 330 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: is the Chuck Schumer Democrat Senate going to vote to 331 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: convict No, obviously not Why Because the Democrats are partisan hacks. 332 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: They don't care about the facts, they don't care about 333 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: the truth. They are going to vote with the Democrats 334 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: because that's what Democrats do. When Schumer cracks the whip, 335 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: every Democrat obeys, That's what's going to happen. 336 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking with Senator Ted Cruz about the possible impeachment 337 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: of my orcis what does that trial look like? In 338 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: the Senate and will Republican's rally more from him? 339 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: Now, why is it that Biden has been able to 340 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: get away with this? So the biggest reason is the 341 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 3: media is utterly corrupt and they don't cover this. If 342 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: you watch Fox News, if you watch news Max Ron, 343 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: if you listen to Verdict, you know about what's happening 344 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: at the border. But if you watch CNN or MSNBC 345 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: or ABCNBCCBS, if you read the Washington Post or the 346 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: New York Times, there is no border crisis. Nothing is happening. 347 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: The corrupt corporate media covers it up. The reason this 348 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 3: impeachment is important is to put the evidence before the 349 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: American people. And I got to say, and it's why. 350 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 3: You know, the amazing thing is the Democrats get this. 351 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 3: Why do you think Schumer wants to table this at 352 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: the outset because he knows a trial would be terrible. 353 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 3: Why because the facts are terrible. What they are doing, 354 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: the Democrats are doing is grossly inhumane. 355 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: It is cruel, it is evil. 356 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: Schumer and Biden do not want the American people to 357 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: know that, so they want the issue to go away. 358 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: But I got to say, any Republican that like a 359 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: docile little sheep rolls over and starts buying the hell 360 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: is wrong with them. And there's a reason thirteen of 361 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: us wrote a letter to our leadership, because Republican leadership, 362 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 3: when they see a fight, typically turn around and charge 363 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: the opposite direction. And so we ought to stand united 364 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: and say, listen, we have a constitutional obligation. Listen, I'm 365 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: going to read you the letter we sent, because it's 366 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: not a long letter. Dear Leader McConnell. Our Republican colleagues 367 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: in the House have recently passed two articles of impeachment 368 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: against Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Majorcas for willful 369 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: and systemic refusal to comply with the law, as well 370 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: as the breach of public trust. These articles will soon 371 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: be transmitted to the Senate. It is imperative that the 372 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: Senate Republican Conference prepared to fully engage our constitutional duty 373 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: and hold a trial. According to multiple briefings by your staff, 374 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: Majority Leader Schumer and Senate Democrats intend to dispose with 375 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: the articles of impeachment simply by tabling both individually. This 376 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: is an action rarely contemplated and never taken by the 377 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: US Senate in the history of our republic It remains 378 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: to be seen if the Senate rules will even allow 379 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: us to brush aside our duty in this manner. But 380 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: one thing is sure. If a similar strategy was contemplated 381 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: by Senate Republicans when we were in the majority with 382 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 3: a Republican occupying the White House, the opposition would be 383 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: fierce and the volume from Democrats would be deafening. We 384 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 3: call on you to join us in our efforts to 385 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: jettison this approach by Democrats to shirk their constitutional duty, 386 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: ensure that the Senate conducts a proper trial and that 387 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: every Senator, Republican and Democrat a judicates this matter. When 388 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: the Senate returns and Mike Lee and I let it 389 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 3: signed by a total of thirteen senators. 390 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Senator laying all this out and the threat from my 391 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: orchis and not doing his job, which is what this 392 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: is basically about. 393 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: How do the Republicans do this the right way? 394 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: Do you break it up into, Hey, the fetanyl coming 395 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: across the southern border because it's open is the number 396 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: one killer of people under the age of forty nine, 397 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: and you go through that. Do you then go through 398 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: the sex trafficking and the human smuggling. Do you then 399 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: go to the domestic the terrorists on the terrorists watch list? 400 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: Do you then go to the financial aspects? I mean, 401 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: is that how we need to break this down to 402 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: the American people understand just how catastrophic this is. 403 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 3: Well, listen, what you say makes a lot of sense. 404 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 3: And what you're doing there is telling a story. And 405 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: I will say that's one thing Republicans are typically horrible 406 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: at doing, is telling a story. And that's what we 407 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: desperately need to do. At the end of the day, 408 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: the choice of how to present the evidence is not 409 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: going to be one for the Senate to make. The 410 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: way an impeachment trial works, the house managers are the prosecutors, 411 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: so they will present their case and so it will 412 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: be ultimately the manager, selected by the Speaker of the House, 413 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: who will present the evidence and lay it out. And 414 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 3: they could very well follow the pattern you laid out. 415 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: It should be a systematic presentation of the evidence. I 416 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: think it should focus on the harms. It should focus 417 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 3: on who is heard. It should focus on the dead bodies, 418 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: the Biden body bags that have piled up one after 419 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: the other after the other. It should focus on the 420 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: children who've been physically and sexually abused over and over 421 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: and over again. It should focus on the women who've 422 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: been violently raped. It should focus on the disease that 423 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: has come in over open border. It should focus on 424 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: the more than one hundred thousand drug overdoses last year, 425 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: the highest and recorded history, seventy percent of which came 426 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: from Chinese fentanyl coming across our southern border. It should 427 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: focus on the terror threat hamas Hesbelah, the open borders 428 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: we have, and the exposure we have to a major 429 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: terrorist attack higher, I believe right now than any time 430 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: since September eleventh. All of that they should do. But 431 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: what Chuck Schumer's trying to do is prevent all of that. 432 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: He wants to table the articles before any evidence is presented, 433 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: before the Senate considers anything, and he wants to spare 434 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: Democrat senators. Understand, there are a bunch of Democrat senators 435 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 3: running in red and purple states that that Schumer doesn't 436 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: want to have them vote not guilty because may Orkis 437 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 3: is obviously guilty, and so he doesn't want to get 438 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: them on record and tabling it is a much simpler 439 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: and less painful way to do it. Now, I can 440 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: tell you a week ago, Mike Lee and I together 441 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: went to the Senate Parliamentarian's office and we presented an 442 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 3: argument the two of us. It's quite rare for senators 443 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: to go directly to the parliamentarian. Typically staff lawyers on 444 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: our staff make the those arguments. Mike and I made 445 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: these arguments ourselves, and he and I have both done 446 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: this a couple of different times over the last decade. 447 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: But the argument we presented is we wanted to walk 448 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: through the parliamentarian the history and the precedent in this case, 449 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: and in particular because Schumer wants to table the articles, 450 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: we wanted to underscore that in over two centuries, the 451 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: Senate has never once tabled articles of impeachment. There was 452 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: a previous impeachment in which the Senate tabled the procedural rules, 453 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 3: but that's different than tabling the actual articles of impeachment 454 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: refusing to adjudicate. And the point we made, which the 455 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: Parliamentarian agreed with, is every single time when an impeachment 456 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: came over, the Senate adjudicated the merits, it reached the merits. 457 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: The one exception was a case where the individual resigned 458 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 3: and in that case the House basically withdrew the articles 459 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: of impeachment. So every time there was an impeachment and 460 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: the House was pressing the impeachment, the end of it 461 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: was every Senator saying guilty or not guilty. And what 462 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is trying to do is throw away two 463 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: hundred years of our nation's history, all in an effort 464 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: to give political protection to vulnerable Democrats and to avoid 465 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: any media coverage of the disaster at our southern border. 466 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: One other question on this, and that is who is 467 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: going to run this? I mean, will this be you 468 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: and siner Lee and others heavily involved or is this 469 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: going to be lawyers representing the Republicans that would be 470 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: asking the questions. 471 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: How does that play out? 472 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: Well, actually, when it comes to questions, unfortunately the Senate 473 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: doesn't get to ask questions. And so if you remember back, 474 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: look when Verdict launched, the very first episode of this 475 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 3: podcast was the first night of the first Trump impeachment. 476 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: And if you remember what happened in impeachment number one 477 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: and impeachment number two, when we sat there as jurors, 478 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: we couldn't speak. Yeah, I'll admit that was frustrating. You know, 479 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: among things, I like to do. I do kind of 480 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: enjoy talking. I do it a lot. And we were 481 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: not allowed to say a word. We were to sit 482 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: there and listen, and we listened to the presentation of 483 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: the House Impeachment Manager managers. We listened to the presentation 484 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: of the President's defense team. Now, as I discussed at 485 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: great length in those Opening Verdict episodes, I spoke frequently 486 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: with President Trump's defense team. And by the way, some 487 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: observers said at the time, Oh, that's terrible. You're supposed 488 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: to be jurors. You're supposed to be impartial, And that's 489 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: not actually right. It is true that we are jurors 490 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: in one sense, and that we adjudicate guilt or innocence. 491 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: But but senators are are not designed to be impartial. Frequently, 492 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: in impeachment you have ors who are very close to 493 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: the individual being impeached or very antagonistic to the individual 494 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: being impeached. The impeachments occur in a partisan context, and 495 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: senators are elected in partisan elections. The framers knew that 496 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: that was the world in which impeachments would occur, and 497 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: they placed it in a political body to have an 498 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: exercise of judgment. And importantly, actually, during the Bill Clinton impeachment, 499 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: Tom Harkin, the Senator from Iowa at the time, stood 500 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: up and raised a point of order and asked for 501 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: clarification from the presiding Chief Justice. That was William Rehnquist, 502 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: my former boss, the previous Chief Justice. And Harkin raised 503 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: a point of order and said, to clarify, we are 504 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: not jurors in the sense of a jury in a 505 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: criminal case, where we simply have to review the evidence 506 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: of making a termination. And the Chief Justice ruled that 507 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: is correct. To the Constitution empowers you to adjudicate this 508 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: matter and to consider issues of fact and law and 509 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 3: policy and politics and everything else. But during that trial, 510 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: I spoke frequently with President Trump's lawyers. 511 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: More than once. 512 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: I told them I thought a strategy they were pursuing 513 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: was bone headed. 514 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: Make sure you share this podcast please with your family 515 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: and your friends. 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