WEBVTT - The Uncomfortable Conversation with Black Men

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<v Speaker 1>Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Reason Choice Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome home, y'all. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Gillim, I guess it's just me and you today.

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<v Speaker 1>How you feeling?

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<v Speaker 3>I heard it was gonna be a couple of us today.

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<v Speaker 4>Well tell you well, you and you and I here

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<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it. Let me let me read this exactly

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<v Speaker 1>as it's written a verse and then we can get

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<v Speaker 1>into the show is a pro y'all. This is episode

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<v Speaker 1>Native Lampod where we give you all our things, our

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown of politics and culture. I am your host, Lakari

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<v Speaker 1>Sellers today.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh there she is another host. Look at she's joining U, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>He mom, how you feel? So we have Andrew Gillam

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<v Speaker 1>of course to my left in Atlanta with me, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we had the incomparable amazed, rable, beautiful. Ya eyebrows

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<v Speaker 1>look good too.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna compliment you on the red red.

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<v Speaker 3>Works for you.

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<v Speaker 1>For us. Look at that Angela raie. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say first, we had an amazing live show last night.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a shout out to the people in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 4>as well as those who traveled. I met a young

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<v Speaker 4>lady I think a number of us did, who flew

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<v Speaker 4>from Miami. She and a colleague of hers, and then

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<v Speaker 4>she bought two more people who live in Atlanta along

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<v Speaker 4>with her to the show last night. And I said,

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<v Speaker 4>you came up, you came visit it. No, I heard

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<v Speaker 4>y'all were gonna be here, and so I came.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a supporter.

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<v Speaker 4>I listened, and I regret that I'm not recalling her

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<v Speaker 4>name at the moment, but just thank y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank y'all so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well every time. Time is the most valuable thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we had. There were a lot of people who spent

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<v Speaker 1>time with us last night we had the building was

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<v Speaker 1>almost packed in Wanery. Yeah. I just appreciated the camaraderie.

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<v Speaker 3>And the City Wannery staff who were all incredible. And

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<v Speaker 3>to their chef who made some.

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<v Speaker 1>It was they ain't had no broccoli, they had b

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<v Speaker 1>It was brock had the whole the whole thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people were asking about you, Angela RII.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I'm sorry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling how you feeling? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>I think most importantly we're just checking out how my

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<v Speaker 6>dad is feeling. He had to go through like a

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<v Speaker 6>stint procedure, and they opted not to do the stint,

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<v Speaker 6>so now he's got some other cardio things to work through.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think we've all talked about on this show

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<v Speaker 6>just aging with aging parents is not for the faint

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<v Speaker 6>of heart.

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<v Speaker 5>But I would not have it any other way. Our

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<v Speaker 5>brother Leonard told me the other day.

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<v Speaker 6>He was like, I would prefer getting older, and I

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<v Speaker 6>think that that's a good perspective to have. So I

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<v Speaker 6>would share a video with all of you in the audience.

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<v Speaker 6>But my dad didn't have his hat on, and he

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<v Speaker 6>can be a little vain. His hair was sticking up,

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<v Speaker 6>and all he wanted was some chicken wings when he

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<v Speaker 6>could finally eat. So he is supposed to be discharged

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<v Speaker 6>later today. Of course we're recording Wednesday, but hopefully all

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<v Speaker 6>is well. I'm refusing to let him leave until he

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<v Speaker 6>sees a cardiologist because I think that they've made a

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<v Speaker 6>number of, you know, interesting decisions like pacemaker, no pacemaker, stint,

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<v Speaker 6>Like we just we need to get on the same page.

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<v Speaker 6>So I appreciate you all holding it down. I want

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<v Speaker 6>to say thank you to the community in Atlanta for

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<v Speaker 6>supporting my family. Andrew Bacari and Tiffany who came back

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<v Speaker 6>for a special appearance, and of course doctor Keith for

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<v Speaker 6>all she's doing in the community there in Atlanta as well.

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<v Speaker 6>So we really appreciate you all. City Winery, thank you

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<v Speaker 6>for partnering with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Angela, just know that at the start we had

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<v Speaker 4>a collective prayer for you and your father joined.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad watched.

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<v Speaker 3>Because she's a little bit invested.

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<v Speaker 5>I did not idea how do we do? You guys

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<v Speaker 5>did great.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't like the lighting, which is not a U problem,

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<v Speaker 6>but and I'm actually surprised Andrew didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 5>He's normally the chief among us on lighting.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see, I am I got issues about the

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<v Speaker 4>lighting today, but I did.

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<v Speaker 6>See, uh the lighting in there too. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 6>the top of y'all's heads.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you're looking at the tope of mind for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you look at the top of my head,

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<v Speaker 1>this is rucker roots. Shout out just I'm hooking up

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan right now, who's one of our producers with some

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<v Speaker 1>rucker roots. I don't miss a beat, Ellen, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>miss a beat.

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<v Speaker 6>Good job, because you better, you better throw a promo

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<v Speaker 6>in there. We could always use some more ads on

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<v Speaker 6>this show, so we'll take a pro bono one for now.

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<v Speaker 4>Just to my bad y'all, a special thanks and appreciation

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<v Speaker 4>for for for our sister Tiffany, who at the drop

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<v Speaker 4>of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Hat to your call.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they didn't even wait for me. Latasha and tiff

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<v Speaker 5>and head.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if you I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you got the phone call, but I got a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call that said he did he didn't going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Angela. Yeah, that's right, he didn't pick up. Latasha's

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk to Angela. Tiffany's going to do the show.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, okay, all right, and and the audience was overjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually had a person bring her a gift.

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<v Speaker 4>She did get a gift, and I actually have the

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<v Speaker 4>card from the gift, and the card was written to

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<v Speaker 4>this all of us, the host of Native lampod and

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<v Speaker 4>did he write basically, he just you know. We said

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<v Speaker 4>to the host, you're included.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. That's emotional for me.

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<v Speaker 4>It was kind of him, and he said that this

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<v Speaker 4>show has changed his life. And we had a number

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<v Speaker 4>of first timers who were in the audience last night,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to normal regular family members.

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<v Speaker 3>Native lampod family members.

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<v Speaker 4>Inviting friends, and there was so many of them who

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<v Speaker 4>came up Angela at the end and said, this was

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<v Speaker 4>my first time hearing and I cannot believe I have

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<v Speaker 4>missed x x x number of episodes. I'm on, I'm hooked,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm subscribing, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we had we had fun and we spent

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<v Speaker 1>time at the end. If you come to a Native

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<v Speaker 1>Land show, trust me, we're gonna stay until the last

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<v Speaker 1>person leaves the building. So we didn't get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>last night per se to do FYSA, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hop into it right now. And I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>start with Pete. What's his last name? What's his real

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<v Speaker 1>last seth? Hey, I can't I can they get on

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<v Speaker 1>me about not being able to run.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was deliberate, was to let me find out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think my getting away that's what

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<v Speaker 1>Ellen said.

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<v Speaker 5>Jesus, I'm sorry here with you guys are about to

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<v Speaker 5>get dragged.

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<v Speaker 6>You know this is the wrong time to be playing

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<v Speaker 6>like you better hope they just cut that out, because

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<v Speaker 6>why that was good the way the way. No, it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's not it's not Ellen, It's not you the way

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<v Speaker 6>these people out here on heads canceling.

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<v Speaker 1>We get there.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, okay, let me read, let me exactly to

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<v Speaker 7>speed ag uring a Pentagon prayer breakfast last Wednesday, secretary

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<v Speaker 7>or Pete Haig seth ready a fake Bible verse.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually from perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Roll that love it.

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<v Speaker 8>So the prayer is Ceesar twenty five seventeen, and it reads,

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<v Speaker 8>and pray with me please the path of the down

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<v Speaker 8>aviator and is beset on all sides by the iniquities

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<v Speaker 8>of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed

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<v Speaker 8>is he who, in the name of camaraderie and duty

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<v Speaker 8>the lost the valley of darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>For he is truly his brother's keeper darkness.

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<v Speaker 9>And the finder lost children. And I will strike down

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<v Speaker 9>upon them with great vengeance and furious And those who

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<v Speaker 9>attempt and destroy my brother, you will know my call

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<v Speaker 9>sign those who Sandy won.

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<v Speaker 2>When I lay my vengeance.

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<v Speaker 10>Brothers upon and you will know my name is the

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<v Speaker 10>law when I lay my.

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<v Speaker 6>Vengeance upon the first of all, can we just acknowledge

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<v Speaker 6>and shout out Samuel L.

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<v Speaker 5>Jackson's Jerry Kerwe.

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<v Speaker 6>Pete Hegg said, should have borrowed it for his re

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<v Speaker 6>enactment of pulp fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't know, Angela, I know, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to shout out hit the staffer because there

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<v Speaker 1>is a staffer who.

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<v Speaker 4>Set them up.

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<v Speaker 1>His staffer. His staff hates him because his staff was like, watch.

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<v Speaker 6>This, that was the know what book in the Bible is?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what book that is. It's not in there,

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<v Speaker 6>he says, chapter No, it's not stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>After inviting them to please pray with me, but they

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<v Speaker 3>did it.

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<v Speaker 5>So my issue is with all these slave catches out there,

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<v Speaker 5>because what are they doing? Like, why were they all

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<v Speaker 5>like what?

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<v Speaker 1>He does this every week?

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<v Speaker 4>He does every week since the war. He's he holds

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<v Speaker 4>an I.

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<v Speaker 5>Said, I wanted to send you all a clip of

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<v Speaker 5>the dude again, don't don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't send it now because let me just tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. Let me tell you where we're nine

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<v Speaker 1>minutes in thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>This is related.

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<v Speaker 6>So Piers Morgan, there was a guy that came on

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<v Speaker 6>Piers Morgan. It was uh ygd I think did this

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<v Speaker 6>Ali Hey?

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<v Speaker 5>Did his name? Anyway? He was on Piers Morgan with

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<v Speaker 5>Pete Haig. Seth's pastor look like the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy, he was like, don't you can't call you

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<v Speaker 1>so passing no more?

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<v Speaker 6>He hit and he dragged him and he's like, you're

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<v Speaker 6>the reason Pete haig Seth is doing this, and then

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<v Speaker 6>went on to tell him all the reasons why he

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a real Christian.

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<v Speaker 5>It was magical. So if y'all have whoa, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's out the clip.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's roll it real quick, real quick quick.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very good.

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<v Speaker 11>I have no problem attacking wolves in sheep's clothing. I

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<v Speaker 11>have no problem attacking a man who wrote that American

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<v Speaker 11>slavery was mutually harmonious between the slave master and the slave.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you.

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<v Speaker 11>I have no problem attacking a man who probably says

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<v Speaker 11>he wants to do away with the nineteenth Amendment which

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<v Speaker 11>gave women the right to vote. I have no problem

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<v Speaker 11>attacking a man like yourself who sits here incoherently supporting

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<v Speaker 11>an incoherent, unwinnable illegal war and Iran. I have no

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<v Speaker 11>problem attacking you a man who is the religious leader

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<v Speaker 11>of Pete Hegseth, A man who's a cosplay crusader who's

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<v Speaker 11>leading some type of crusade. Probably you put them on

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<v Speaker 11>as a secretary of defense, getting Americans and innocent civilians killed.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you would be a better Christian. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>you would open up the Bible.

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<v Speaker 11>I wish you would meet the Jesus that I met

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<v Speaker 11>when I went to an all boy Jesuit Catholic high school,

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<v Speaker 11>the Jesus that took care of the sick, that took

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<v Speaker 11>care of the poor, that welcomed the immigrant, that welcomed

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<v Speaker 11>the marginalized, that help them. But instead you've used Jesus

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<v Speaker 11>as a mascot for I don't know, your white Christian supremacy.

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<v Speaker 11>You're cruelty, your misogyny, and I'm so glad that people

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<v Speaker 11>are finally waking up to your cruelty and to the

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<v Speaker 11>idiocy of your star disciple Pete Hegseth, who keeps messing

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<v Speaker 11>up and literally does not read the Bible and quotes

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<v Speaker 11>pulp fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Just sit with them.

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<v Speaker 11>Maybe both of you could read the Constitution, read the Bible,

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<v Speaker 11>and just take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor just take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah who less, sorry just to say your responds. Just incidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that Jesus was not a socialist because he

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<v Speaker 1>could actually feed people.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful great response.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, Well, anyway, let's go to let's go to Troy

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<v Speaker 1>Neil's real quick while we're on this conversation.

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<v Speaker 12>I believe that Donald Trump is uh is better than

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<v Speaker 12>sliced bread. I think he's he's he's almost a second coming.

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<v Speaker 12>In my humble opinion. I think he's done a fantastic job.

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<v Speaker 12>He's got a very difficult job. Pope's got a tough job.

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<v Speaker 12>You don't got issues in the church, but Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 12>is a very, very difficult job to do, the toughest

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<v Speaker 12>job in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to say that I had a widow's

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<v Speaker 6>peak that was strong like that when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 6>and I wish somebody would fade him up.

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<v Speaker 5>His widow's peak goes all the way down here. So

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<v Speaker 5>who's got a tough job, widow?

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<v Speaker 1>I just think. I just think that people who are

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, men in Congress who are five six,

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<v Speaker 1>five to seven, have a very difficult job. And he is,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's going to struggle through it. You know, those

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<v Speaker 1>five six, five seven men out there. We shot it

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<v Speaker 1>and shot you out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's a he is a small man.

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<v Speaker 4>And it ain't because of how literally literally is that

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<v Speaker 4>because of his verticals that I don't know how anybody

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<v Speaker 4>fixes their lips and makes their heart and their mind

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<v Speaker 4>congruent with his words. I don't know if it's an

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<v Speaker 4>act anymore with these guys, because I think I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 4>much now convinced that if it's not an act, that

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<v Speaker 4>they may be the stupidest people that walks the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the earth. Well you know who's not. As Raphael

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<v Speaker 1>Warnock and I wanted to, I want to in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the order that we played it. I wanted us

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to see the scripture as they see

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<v Speaker 1>it versus the scripture as we see it. And Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Rafael Warnock, who still works on Sunday mornings here not

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<v Speaker 1>far from.

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<v Speaker 4>Just quick correction, But Pope, fiction is not that that's

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<v Speaker 4>called script script for a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>They confuse it with scripture.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what pete, pete doing. U let's play.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play, Rafael Warknox sermon to get us on point.

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<v Speaker 10>Here, when the man who holds the highest office in

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<v Speaker 10>the land has been confirmed by a court verdict to

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<v Speaker 10>be a sexual abuser, that he could be heard on

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<v Speaker 10>Tate bragging about being a sexual abuser. We knew all

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<v Speaker 10>of that before he got elected the first time, and

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<v Speaker 10>yet there are Christians who will surround him this morning

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<v Speaker 10>and talk like he's the second Coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's wrong with us. We need to be healed.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to be healed. All of the nonsense around

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<v Speaker 10>the Epstein files, a cabale of awfulness and privilege and

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<v Speaker 10>power with all kinds of nameless victims, and that being

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<v Speaker 10>tate played out on both sides of the Atlante. And

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<v Speaker 10>they're those who are turning into a political game. This

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<v Speaker 10>is not about politics. This is about those who suffer

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<v Speaker 10>and cannot be seen and their voices are not heard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I dropped by this morning to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>You that God is not pleased with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Little thing. Lord. That's Raphael Warnock preaching from the same

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<v Speaker 1>poolpit that doctor mar Luther King Junior preach from Ebenez,

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<v Speaker 1>a Baptist church not far from where we're sitting right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that, first of all, I mean in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, which he said we're not we should not

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<v Speaker 1>be focused on, particularly on that moment. I always consider

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<v Speaker 1>him to be a dark horse for president of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. I think people would fear that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he has evangelicals that would support him. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>a very interesting candidate. I think him and like a

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<v Speaker 1>Gretchen Whitmer as vice president would actually transform transform the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But just back on the path of what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about and how God's only party of the GOP, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're losing that battle when we talk about evangelical

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>To lose what you just said. We may need the

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<v Speaker 4>minipod on that one that I had not. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 4>thought about it, so I just want to put a

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<v Speaker 4>pin in it. Becare for future or conversation. But clearly

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<v Speaker 4>we see exhibited there what a real moral religious faith

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<v Speaker 4>leader looks. Sounds like how he comports himself. But it

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<v Speaker 4>didn't take too much effort to see the difference between

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<v Speaker 4>that one and what came before him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. One of the things that we can also

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<v Speaker 1>say is that scripture doesn't necessarily follow the politic or

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<v Speaker 1>the policy of some even in deep re at Ruby States,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to throw this up about Louisiana, and there

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<v Speaker 1>is a state House bill that's advanced that would force

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<v Speaker 1>unhoused people to choose between jail or a treatment program.

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<v Speaker 1>If they choose treatment, they have to pay for it themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they can't afford to pay, they'll be forced

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<v Speaker 1>to do unpaid labor slavery for the eight Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we we we started out with Pete, then

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Troy Nell's and then we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>show you a glimpse of what it is from Ebenezer

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<v Speaker 1>Baptist Church. And now we're actually talking about how those

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<v Speaker 1>things effectuate policy, and we're seeing what's happening right now

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<v Speaker 1>in LOUISIUMA.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish we had somebody from down there to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about this. We will have a person in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's coming on. Yeah, well let's let's put

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<v Speaker 1>a pin in that for sure. And I asked Gary

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<v Speaker 1>about it. One of the things we've been preaching about.

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<v Speaker 1>And I give I think people should give Angela Raie

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of credit for this, but the Save Act

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<v Speaker 1>there has been something that's been on our mind and

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<v Speaker 1>the tip of right tongue for a long time. And

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<v Speaker 1>John Thune recently it's come to our attention that the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Senate, the Senate Majlated Yes. The tweet

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<v Speaker 1>says that Trump called it his number one priority. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>we guarantee the midterms, and Thune's response per punch bowl

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<v Speaker 1>punch all the sudden that we all, you know, subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>to in the mornings. If we don't have other pressing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in front of us, that has to get done,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see about getting that going. The translation is

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<v Speaker 1>that's your number one priority, but it isn't even in

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<v Speaker 1>our top five. Earlier this year, Thune admitted the obvious,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have the votes either to proceed get on

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<v Speaker 1>a talking filibuster nor sustain it if we got on it.

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<v Speaker 1>A bill would have would require twenty one million American

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<v Speaker 1>citizens to produce documents We've talked about that a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>including their birth certificate, just to register to vote and

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<v Speaker 1>actually vote on voting day. That bill is now, as

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<v Speaker 1>John Thune said, thea dead on arrival. Last week, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Marjorie Taylor Green, and one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about Marjorie Taylor Green was her come to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the theme here, I'm actually rocking with a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an oddity to it, but I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a paradox, it's a paradox.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a paradox.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's let's look at Tucker Calls and I see

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<v Speaker 1>if he had the same Jesus meeting the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>us had at birth.

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<v Speaker 13>So looking back being because I mean you and I

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<v Speaker 13>and everyone else who supported him. He wrote speeches for him,

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<v Speaker 13>I campaigned for him. I mean, we're implicated in this

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<v Speaker 13>for sure. Yes, it's not enough to say well I

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<v Speaker 13>changed my mind, or like, oh this is bad, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 13>It's like in very small ways, but in real ways,

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<v Speaker 13>you and me and millions of people like us are

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<v Speaker 13>the reason this is happening right now. Yes, so I

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<v Speaker 13>do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our

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<v Speaker 13>own consciences. Uh, you know, we'll be tormented by it

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<v Speaker 13>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be.

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<v Speaker 13>And I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people.

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<v Speaker 13>It was not intentional, That's all I say. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 13>but the question does present a self im mediate like

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<v Speaker 13>what is this? Was this always the plan? You don't

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<v Speaker 13>want to be a conspiracy nut, but like, clear there

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<v Speaker 13>were signs of low character we need Clearly there signs

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<v Speaker 13>of tons of people of low character who like perform

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<v Speaker 13>their character.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of the norm. Actually, these days I've outperformed.

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<v Speaker 1>My character a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I've already dragged Tucker Cross and for filth.

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<v Speaker 6>But I just want to say this again to you, Tucker,

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<v Speaker 6>this is why you have aged like spoiled milk, because

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<v Speaker 6>you have you knew what you were doing. You can't

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<v Speaker 6>say clearly there were signs of like character flaws and

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<v Speaker 6>then say I'm sorry, like it's too late for I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>Like you need to do a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 6>more than I'm sorry. You need to be at the

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<v Speaker 6>next hearing on HR forty championing reparations. You need to

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<v Speaker 6>be championing livable wages for people who are struggling to

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<v Speaker 6>make ends meet. Every day eggs that still cost too much.

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<v Speaker 6>You need to be buying people eggs. You need to

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<v Speaker 6>have an egg drive giveaway. You need to be giving

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<v Speaker 6>away gas at the pump and pumping the damn gas yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>You need to be doing a clothing drive for people

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<v Speaker 6>who can't clothe their kids because they lost jobs, especially

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<v Speaker 6>to six hundred thousand black women and counting who cannot

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<v Speaker 6>find work.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know what else you need to have.

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<v Speaker 6>You need to have a DEI program for life, never

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<v Speaker 6>to be relieved of said DEI program. And you need

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<v Speaker 6>to tell everybody that DEI does not mean didn't earn it.

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<v Speaker 6>It means diversity, equity, and inclusion, and you need to

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<v Speaker 6>lift up every diverse and inclusive higher that you make

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<v Speaker 6>and show people how bad as they are. And then

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<v Speaker 6>when you're done doing all that, do it again and

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<v Speaker 6>again and again. You know what I'm saying at y'all,

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<v Speaker 6>Because Tucker would never he takes issue with Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 6>war stance because it is a leak on the economy.

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<v Speaker 6>He does not he still is not on the right

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<v Speaker 6>side of history when it comes to policies that benefit

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<v Speaker 6>and impacts us.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't really care about his little floppy haired.

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<v Speaker 6>Apology because he does not mean it now when it

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<v Speaker 6>comes to substance of issues that matter to us.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I mean, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just so.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm surprised that the general mainstream media didn't treat this

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<v Speaker 4>like like it was the second coming, right, Tuckle Carlson

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<v Speaker 4>did something.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't even a bleed, which tells me something.

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<v Speaker 4>One kudos to mainstream media for not giving this skit

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<v Speaker 4>any real time or attention.

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<v Speaker 1>It really was. It was a skin.

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<v Speaker 4>It was badly played by the way because something so critical,

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<v Speaker 4>which is basically you turning about face on the man,

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<v Speaker 4>that you went out there in Seoul for ten years,

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<v Speaker 4>not just last election, the one before that. Since the

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<v Speaker 4>dissension on the on that Tachi escalator, he's been selling

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<v Speaker 4>the American people this terrible bad dream nightmare, as if

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<v Speaker 4>it was a wet dream. And now I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>what was said or what was done. I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>believe Angela that the that the the rift is about

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<v Speaker 4>the war. Tucker is so self indulgent, self indulged, so

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<v Speaker 4>self so vainglorious, so rapacious as a person. That is

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<v Speaker 4>something that he and Donald Trump share in common. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't get pissed off and lose friends over political issues.

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<v Speaker 4>They get pissed off and lose friends when they are

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<v Speaker 4>personally and individually impacted, largely their money, their pocket. But

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<v Speaker 4>it takes a megalomaniac to be personally offended by something

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<v Speaker 4>you've done to me personally and individually, not you know, general,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh the war, Oh Israel, Oh that's not it. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't by I don't think we know yet what the

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<v Speaker 4>rift is at the at the center. But I don't

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<v Speaker 4>buy that it's about anything that's a policy difference, because

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<v Speaker 4>he's not did Trump and showing anything that he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>show before.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not doing anything. He didn't say it was gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do before.

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<v Speaker 6>By can I tell y'all really quick? So I was asking, uh,

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.119
<v Speaker 6>who who Tucker Carlson was talking to? They said it

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<v Speaker 6>was Tucker Crofton's brother, Buckley Carlsson. Well, then I look

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.320
<v Speaker 6>up Buckley Carlson. He also has a son named Buckley Carlson.

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<v Speaker 6>Did y'all know that his son worked as the deputy

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<v Speaker 6>press secretary to JD Vance in the Senate Office.

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And because I don't think anybody who works for

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>jd Vance actually likes jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 5>But here's the crazy part. They say that.

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<v Speaker 6>Now it'll be two days ago his son walked out

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.880
<v Speaker 6>of the office, and I don't know if that means

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 6>he quit.

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<v Speaker 1>He quit?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was coming out little bit very like, yeah, yeah,

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 4>they said, so that again some of the personal.

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 3>But I think this is being played out.

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's easy to cast aside somebody who I tell

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone you were saying you were seeing the height of

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's whatever right now, because after twenty twenty six,

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>when you are when you lose an election, as everybody

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>predicts what happen, We've seen predictions go wrong and then

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you are pretty much a walking lane duck president. Other

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>people start running for president, people will leave Donald Trump

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>is because it's not Donald Trump, it's it's the proximity

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.120
<v Speaker 1>to power. Also, one of the things I will say

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 1>is that organizations that truly matter that we've seen under

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>attack for the last I say five and a half years.

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Tiffany corrected us in staid a decade whatever that may be.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those organizations that was doing good work is

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>a Southern Poverty Law Center and now that organization's under

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>attack as well, people who've been fighting fighting back against

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 1>white supremacy and extremism. Before we get to cash Hotel,

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to put this. I want to put this

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<v Speaker 1>graphic up because just as we were preparing for the show,

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the Southern Poverty Law Center was indicted Tuesday over a

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 1>discontinued program that use paid confidential informants to penetrate white

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>supremacists and other organizations, as announced by Todd blanche I

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>think we have that graphic to throw up there if

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<v Speaker 1>we do. Yeah. And one of the things that's crazy

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>about this is they were indicted because they paid informants

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>who were part of these organizations that actually went out

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>as a part of these organizations and did the work

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 1>of these organizations, And they want the American public to

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>believe that somehow they were paying to promote the agreements, which.

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<v Speaker 4>Is just so they skipped over going after the groups themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>Right And by the way, these are the same groups

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 4>that under the last administration, under a bipartisan, non partisan

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 4>intelligence community, the people who are responsible for collecting what

0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.119
<v Speaker 4>are the greatest threats to the American people in the

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 4>American interest around the world, around the world. I think

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 4>who determined that the greatest threat to the American people

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 4>in the American people's interests are these organizations that Southern

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:17.440
<v Speaker 4>Poverty of Law Center happened to paid informants into so

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 4>that we could uncover on Earth. And I would offer

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know this for fact, but their informansts probably

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 4>were part and service to the American people by reporting

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 4>back to these intelligence.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Quentities that.

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<v Speaker 3>Terrorist efforts may be underway.

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 4>These people were decided not SBLC, but the people that

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 4>they were trying to infiltrate. These people were decided to.

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Be the number one threat to the American people period.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that it's important here. I know we have cash.

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 5>But we also have the acting ag.

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.040
<v Speaker 6>I believe it's Todd Blanche, and I think that it

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 6>would be important to hear people hear him frame this issue.

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<v Speaker 5>So let's roll that clip.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to make sure I understand you're alleging

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<v Speaker 1>that the Southern Poverty Law Center was paying the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>of KKK and other groups to continue their operations.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that I'm not alleging it.

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<v Speaker 14>The Grandeurary returning indictment that says that, and so what

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<v Speaker 14>what the what the investigation found, according to the indictment

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 14>that was returned today, is that they were paying So

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 14>so the Southern Popery Law Center is raising money, asking

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 14>folks to give them money to dismount racism, and over

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 14>a very long period of time, they were using some

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 14>of the money they raised from donors to pay to

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 14>they call them field you know, basically to informants two

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 14>for information, for access, to just pay them for for

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 14>certain to do certain things. And so yes, that's exactly

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 14>what the indictment charges.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so they made that the SBOC did the work

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 3>of the government.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think that what they're trying to do is

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.119
<v Speaker 6>gasight people into believing that Severn Southern Poverty Law Center,

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<v Speaker 6>with the limited funding they have is funding white supremacist

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 6>ideology and behavior that it's funding and yeah, and it's

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 6>fun and it's funding racism.

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 5>We know that's not true.

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 6>Southern Poverty Law Center actually has a legendary hate map,

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 6>hate watch tracker, and how they have been able to

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 6>be so successful for the most part.

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 5>They've had some misses too.

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 6>For example, I think they had Until Freedom or some

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 6>other group that Tamika Mallory was affiliated with on this.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 6>So they've had some misses. I'm not saying that their flawless,

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 6>but on the hate map and the hate watch. The

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 6>reason out they've been able to track work that's been

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 6>done over time have precise dates around hate activity hate

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 6>field activity is because they had people infiltrating these groups.

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 5>That was how they did this.

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 6>So the fact that they're now saying, oh, they actually

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 6>were funding this work to ensure that racism continues, its ridiculous.

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 4>Quite the contrary, If the American government is so offended

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 4>that they were funding this work, why would they jump

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 4>skip hop over the organization that is then doing the

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 4>work that they're so I mean.

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 5>Because right, we know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But fact, let's let's be extremely clear. What Todd Blinch

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Trump administration are doing is instead of indicting

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the KKK, they indict the group that is trying to

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>stop the KKK. Yes, and I think that that we

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>have to be extremely with our language about about how

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>we're doing it. And I know that this is a

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>very easy time to get down. But a lot like

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Papa Rai and our family people who have gone out

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and done the work is Louise Lucas, and she is

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>my favorite elected official in the entire country. And I

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>know that that's really weird to say, like that means

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm too knee deep in politics. When people like who's

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>your favorite, I'm like, oh man. A state senator from Virginia,

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Luise Lucas wrote a clip because she she a bad one.

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<v Speaker 15>We didn't ask for this mess, but we're gonna finish

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 15>this mess. So I'm being real kind with my words today. Okay,

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 15>they started, We'll finish it. We would not be in

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 15>this place if it had not been for Donald Trump

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 15>and Hishi and had against it trying to get what

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 15>he called five.

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 16>New seats that he was in the top of two.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 15>He ain't entitled, so he's entitled anything, and what he

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 15>what we are saying is that in order for us

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 15>to try to level the playing field, Virginia's gonna play

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 15>a pivotal role in this whole process, because when we

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 15>go from a ten to one map, we would put

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 15>us in a good proture for us to make sure

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 15>that we pushed back on his power.

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<v Speaker 6>Graand so, and just to back into this for folks

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 6>at home, there was a very important election on Tuesday

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 6>in Virginia where there was a ballot initiative asking voters

0:30:56.280 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 6>to change the a mid term change to the map

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 6>the congressional and state legislative map. The state's redistrict and

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 6>committee drew a map that gives Democrats a ten to

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 6>one majority and favorability for them, which the voters approved.

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 6>And so to Bakari's point, this state senator is now

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 6>certainly one of my favorites. But I want to make

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 6>sure you all understand the redistricting battle began mid term

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 6>because of Donald Trump and his acolytes, and so Virginia said,

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 6>you started it, we will she said, we'll f and

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 6>finish it before. So right now, this what this helps

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 6>the ten to one, actually ten to one now with

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 6>California Utah and Virginia in play. Republicans changed the maps

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 6>in Texas, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio, And right now

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 6>there's a plus three being considered in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just tell you this. G eighty two good.

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>She was born in nineteen forty four and she's been

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in office since nineteen ninety two.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I was.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Eight years old, so I know. We have a lot

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of conversations about age and politics and our elected officials

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>force retirement. Yeah, but I'll take Louise Lucas over half.

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 5>We'll take Louise over ninety eight percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Can she beat it? Can she lead the House?

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>This?

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 4>But this is why I think we have forced retirement

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 4>by the voters. Oh yeah, her constituents will decide when

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 4>they are She got the.

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Smartest constituents in America because they just send her back.

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>They know what they're doing and listen, and she's done

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a great deal of good work. I know, we have

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>one of our brothers who is going to join us.

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Your favorite coming elected official one day, one day, we're

0:32:59.160 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 4>putting it in there.

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he doesn't run a few times, I know.

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>But your favorite coming is still coming.

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 6>The good thing about Gary too, that I think is

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 6>so important is he doesn't just run for office. He

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 6>also engages in civic engagement and instructing our people on

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 6>their power. And so one of my favorite things he

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 6>does is every election he tells people what voter turnout

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 6>is looking like, what it is like in the black community,

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:30.520
<v Speaker 6>and he'll be like righteously angry about us showing up

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 6>for ourselves. And so in a place like Louisiana, where

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 6>both of my parents are from, I think it's so

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 6>important to understand our power, even when it's been regularly

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 6>stripped from you.

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 5>Butkari brought that up earlier with that that clip, so

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 5>is sure I will.

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Want to saying no, we want to and we want

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to bring Gary Chambers on. Gary is a friend of

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the show. Gary has been around for a long time,

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>and Gary has apparently the humility of a curry sellers.

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 4>Cause yeah, definitely himself right over himself, right, ask.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 5>A question about the picture might have a special frame.

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>It's full full frame, right.

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 4>I hate somebody gave me Unfortunately, somebody gave me with

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 4>those after I can't pay Forgevernor and my mama put

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:18.919
<v Speaker 4>it up in my house.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that is under the.

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 5>Bed to see some of these pictures that they've drawn

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 5>to me, and I'm like, who is this actually?

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:31.240
<v Speaker 17>Gary, tell us about the picture teacher the school teacher

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 17>painted that for me.

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I love that from Ohio.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I think.

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 17>I was like, it's wood, it's like on a wood,

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 17>it's all wood, and so uh and in trinded me

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 17>like two hundred of them in like God that I

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 17>can put his yard signs for people.

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>It's too beautiful not to have out. Really. I do

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 2>feel some type of way sometimes about it being there,

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>but it's.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 5>Too especially when these two have something to say about I.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 3>Mean, we're gonna move it to near the front door.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I know. I like the fact that it's squarely in

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the frame.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 2>And all these all these reconstructed legislators too.

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got yourself right up there with them. So, Gary,

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>before we before we get it to the topic of

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>the show, because we want to we want to go

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 1>to s report pretty quickly. I did want to talk

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 1>to you about the Louisiana State House bill that advanced

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that would force unhoused people to choose between jail and

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>or or treatment program or rehab and if they can't

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>pay for it, what's what what is going on down

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana.

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>We have probably the most.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 17>Insensitive, in iar moral leadership in the country here in Louisiana.

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Landry is a man about gimmicks and props.

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 17>He's trying to figure out how does he get his

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 17>way to be considered uh valuable as a presidential candidate

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 17>for twenty twenty eight. And he does whatever he feels

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:11.320
<v Speaker 17>moves people to see him as the biggest conservative warrior

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 17>in America. And he's got a legislature that he's whipped

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 17>into submission to the degree that they just do.

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is that the government wants. And so.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 17>These very inhumane people, these people don't care anything about

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 17>the citizens of this state. They're bringing in billions of

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 17>dollars in AI facilities. They're not taxing these people at

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 17>the degree that they should so that you could provide

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.319
<v Speaker 17>housing for those that are unhoused, so that you can

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 17>provide a livable ways for people so that they don't

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 17>end up unhoused. Job creation and diversifying our economy is

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 17>not a priority to these people, and that's how you

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 17>end up with more people ended up unhoused on the

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.320
<v Speaker 17>streets because we're not focused on the things that actually

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 17>create opportunities for people.

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 2>We're just finding more ways to incarcerate people.

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<v Speaker 17>And we were already the most incarcerated place in the

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 17>going and so Jeff is now added Trump's detainees through

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 17>ice and now he's trying to take the people off

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 17>the streets and put them basically in concentration camps.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't know anything that he can say no to

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>as far as incarcerating people.

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to Shreveport, Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 16>Nobody knows.

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that moved me this week and

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>moved a lot of us was one of our elected

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>officials in Shreveport, Taylor. Yeah, Taba. That was yeah, who

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>actually told us with all her heart and all her

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>chest about the pain that that community is going through

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:49.839
<v Speaker 1>in regards to a lot of the violence that we're

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>seeing in our households and homes. Counselwoman Tabatha Taylor. She

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about the fact that there were young people from

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>ages one to eight I believe, I don't know the

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>exact ages, but it was eight of them who were murdered.

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 18>What people think in the crevices of their mind.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 19>To want to harm another human being, let alone that

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 19>of children who have their whole life ahead of them.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 19>From what I've learned about this incident is that it's

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 19>domestic in nature.

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 18>That makes it even more horrific. For all the fighting

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 18>that we do as it relates to this. And maybe

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:42.720
<v Speaker 18>you can stand strong with this, but I can't without

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 18>shedding tears of traumatic pain. I pain, and I grieve

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 18>for this family. I grieve for the lives that are lost.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 19>And I'm asking you to please utilize every resource that

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 19>the sheriff has brought forth. Now when you know that

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 19>these situations occur, we cannot be and make this a joke.

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 18>This is not a freaking joke. This is real and

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 18>this is the result when someone snaps.

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 19>So I'm gonna ask the community, along with prayer, with

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 19>every mental health consultant, counselor that is out here, This

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 19>family and.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 5>This community needs you.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 19>I need you, because how do we get through this,

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 19>how do we get to the next level?

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 16>It is real and this is raw, and these are the.

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 19>Tragedies when there are domestic violence or domestic disturbances in

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 19>our community.

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>The names are Jala Elkins three, Shyla Elkins five, Caleb

0:39:56.040 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Pew six, Leila Pew seven, On Pew ten, Soriah Snow eleven,

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Carrot Darian, thank you, Kadarian Snow six, Braylin Snow five.

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>The person responsible for the shooting, we won't say his

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 1>name and the MHM relationships. Oh yeah, seven father their father, no.

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 5>No, seven of them. He was the father of seven

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 5>of the kids.

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I just wanted to make sure that people

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>listening and watching know that we don't uplift We're not

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>uplifting him in this moment. I wanted to give that

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 1>space for the for us to be able to say

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>their names and let them them rest in power. Last

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>night we had a conversation, and I wanted to be

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>able to make space for us to have a conversation

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>about accountability for men who respond such as this with

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>deplorable acts. We we talked about justin Fairfax, We talked

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 1>about Shreveport, we talked about down in Florida, the Miami

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>is Miami Acount may vice mayor who lost her life.

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>And it's not not not butt because I think button

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>negates everything before it. But and I wanted to create

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>a space where we could talk about black men who

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>were yelling out and having significant mental health issues and

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>wondering if we could have those conversations kind of at

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the same time with the level of nuance and layers

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that I think it requires. There was a young woman

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>who came up to us last night isis while we

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>were having this discussion at the end of our discussion,

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and she wanted us to make sure that we centered

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>something else. So we had her sending a question, isis question?

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>And then I want to I want to kind of

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>lay it out and then let's have.

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 5>Us talk hanted of Bland.

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 20>I'm isis. I'm from Detroit living in Georgia. Just attended

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.280
<v Speaker 20>the live show That's Why I'm in my Car. Tonight's

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 20>discussion had some insight, but it was somewhat disappointing to

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 20>see that in a time where black women are not

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.839
<v Speaker 20>surviving their relationships with black men, we are censoring black

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 20>men's metal Black men's men to help is absolutely important. However, again,

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 20>black women are not surviving their relationships with black men. Okay,

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 20>so when a woman is pregnant is one of the

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 20>most dangerous times in her life because she's likely to

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 20>be murdered by the man who impregnated her. And when

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 20>women are trying to leave relationships with men is another

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 20>incredibly risky, dangerous time in their lives because she's likely

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:28.120
<v Speaker 20>to be.

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 21>Assaulted, stuctor, murdered by men.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And so.

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>We have to discuss that. That has to be the

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>center of the conversation.

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:42.439
<v Speaker 21>That while we all need to make things emotionally safe

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 21>for each other, Black men need to make safe spaces

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 21>for black.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 18>Men and show emotions.

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 21>Black women need to make safe spaces for black women

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 21>and show emotions. We all non binary people need to

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 21>make safe spaces for each other. We have to make

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 21>sure black women can survive relationships with black men. We

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 21>haven't discussed intimate partner. We haven't discussed how men feel

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 21>ownership over the wounds in our time a woman, and

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 21>that is missing from this conversation.

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 4>She did come up last night, and I think if

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 4>it was Tiffany or you or Lolo had the had

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 4>the thought of mine immediate yeah, to say, hey, can

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.880
<v Speaker 4>you please record that? Can we put that in a

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 4>question in a comment, because you know, we many of

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 4>us have been triggered kind of differently by a lot

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.800
<v Speaker 4>of these defense you know, these events of late horrific events.

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 3>I was sharing last night with car how.

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:39.879
<v Speaker 4>Heartbroken, despite how I knew Justin and and the ways

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:46.240
<v Speaker 4>in which we worked together, I was most angry about

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 4>him robbing the children not only of his presence, but

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 4>of their mother's presence.

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>And a scar a.

0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 3>How do you say a trauma? A wound that will

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 3>never heal over their life.

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 4>And it will likely be one that will pass be

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 4>passed on to their children and their children's children, and

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 4>so on and so forth. So that cycle. And that's

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 4>not just the only example, it's in so many places.

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.839
<v Speaker 4>But the way this conversation has kind of taken off,

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 4>as I understand it, over social media in a lot

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 4>of real ways, was really about the failure to name

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the women who have been victimized by

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.800
<v Speaker 4>their relationship and the men and their relationship who have

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 4>committed these murders.

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 3>And I think we didn't.

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 4>We failed at not being able to I think balance

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 4>a fullsome conversation that would have included all the angles.

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 4>It's not to say our angle the way it doesn't

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 4>need attention. It does, but there were a lot of

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 4>angles there that were miss And I just appreciate Hair

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 4>holding all of us accountable to it.

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 6>I really am hoping Gary, that we can hear from

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 6>you and your story. Research that says Black women are

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 6>six times more likely to be killed than white women

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 6>an intimate partner violence. Forty five percent of Black women

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 6>experience stalking, physical and sexual violence in their lifetimes, and

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 6>an estimated fifty one percent of Black female adult homicides

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 6>are related to intimate partner violence. That's according to the

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 6>National Coalition against Domestic Violence. Garry, this is you know,

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 6>an area that you know all too well, and I

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.360
<v Speaker 6>just really thought it was important seeing some of the

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 6>things that you mentioned and shared spaces that were in

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 6>I would love for you to share to this set

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 6>that you feel comfortable your own experience with this.

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 17>So first, thank you all for having the conversation I

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 17>think is necessary. And two black men accountability is not

0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 17>an attack. I think that that's the beginning of the

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 17>conversation for me. When the twenty twenty four election happened

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 17>and people were dumping on black men for a host

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 17>of reason, I was one of the first people to

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 17>illuminate over eighty percent of black men did what we

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.320
<v Speaker 17>were supposed to do in that election. So when I

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 17>come to these conversations and I make certain critiques of

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 17>us as brothers. I am not making those critiques from

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 17>a place where I'm not with you, where I don't

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 17>understand you, where I don't hear you. But in the

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 17>time where our sisters, our mothers, our children are being

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:30.760
<v Speaker 17>murdered by black men, we need to say something different

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 17>than what we've been saying. We need to pause in

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 17>the same ways that we have demanded that America pause

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 17>and here when we have been harmed, when what we

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 17>produce tells us that they don't feel safe, because every

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 17>black woman, every black boy, is produced by a black man. First,

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 17>we are the seed bearers. That is your seed in

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 17>the earth. And every woman that is existing in this

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 17>work is somebody's baby. And too many people are talking

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 17>about these men who have done horrible things to these

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 17>women and these children, and we haven't even sentered somebody's baby.

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 17>We haven't even taken the time to see Serena Fairfax

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 17>as somebody's baby, because we were talking about all we

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 17>lost in a man who decided to take somebody's baby.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 17>And I think that that should cause every man to

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 17>have some level of pause and reflection about why we

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 17>do that and about why we have to center ourselves

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 17>in our emotions in every conversation. I'm not saying that

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 17>we're not getting over. I'm not saying that we're not

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 17>in a bad situation. I'm saying that the answer to

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 17>got that we choose is violence makes us a part

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 17>of the crash our cartel because we lack emotional intelligence.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 17>I'm a product of family where my mother committed suicide

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 17>when I was two months old, so I understand fully

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 17>what it's like to grow up without a parent because

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 17>of the complexities of marriage.

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>My father was cheating on my mother.

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 17>My mother had had three children back to back for

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 17>my dad, and then she walks in one day and

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 17>tells my dad, you love them children, don't you. He says, yes,

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 17>I'm gonna leave you with him, goes in the room

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 17>and shoots herself. There was no conversation about postpartum depression.

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 17>What about that black woman? What about that black woman

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 17>who had had three children and no matter what she

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 17>was going through within herself, how did she express that

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 17>to her community? How could she express that to her

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 17>family and friends? How are black women today carrying the

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 17>burden of having all them children? The man in Shreveport

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 17>had seven children, How did those women carry the burden

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 17>of carrying those children, caring for those children, seven of them,

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 17>two different household How do you maintain stability in that

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 17>all of those women maintain instability?

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And every day they are crying out for us to

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>just stand there up and be men. I know it's hard.

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 17>It is I've been through a divorce, I've attempted suicide twice.

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I know what it feels like to say to hell

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.320
<v Speaker 2>with all of this. I know what that feels like.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But at no point have I ever decided to put

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 2>my hands on a woman.

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.040
<v Speaker 17>I lose my empathy for men the minute that you

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 17>decide to be violent against another human, I lose my

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 17>empathy for what you're going through at that point. And

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 17>that is what our sisters are saying to us right now,

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 17>that they begin to lose that empathy that they automatically

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 17>feel for us the minute that we become violent against them,

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 17>and we should stop right at that moment, say nothing else,

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 17>but we're sorry.

0:49:58.680 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Because we didn't hear them.

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 17>And the same way that we can understand that when

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 17>a white man kills a black man unarmed, that we

0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 17>don't want to hear all of the justifications and all

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 17>of the excuses. We should understand that women don't want

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:16.439
<v Speaker 17>to hear all that pontificating.

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We do it.

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.880
<v Speaker 17>Because it should never be an option for us to

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 17>be violent against each other in the ways that it is.

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:27.720
<v Speaker 17>We have made violence acceptable within our culture that violence

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:29.720
<v Speaker 17>breathes out in a host of ways.

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 2>And black men.

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:35.800
<v Speaker 17>If the data says that fifty to fifty five percent

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 17>of the Black women in America who are murdered are

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.960
<v Speaker 17>murdered by someone that they are in a relationship with,

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 17>and the majority of black women are in relationship with

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 17>black men, we could reduce the homicides of black women

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.160
<v Speaker 17>in this country simply by getting a grip on ourselves

0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:53.839
<v Speaker 17>as black men.

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.400
<v Speaker 2>We could The worst thing I could do in the

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 2>world is take another black life. Og said that to me.

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:04.080
<v Speaker 2>He said that when he leaves his.

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 17>House every day, he takes his pistol with him because

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 17>he wants to protect himself. But he thinks to him

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 17>in his mind that the worst thing he could do

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 17>in the world is to take the life of another

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 17>black man.

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 2>How many do we? How many of us actually feel

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:15.600
<v Speaker 2>that way?

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And do we?

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 17>We've normalized this violent culture to the degree that when

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 17>somebody kills somebody and we know that they're a killer,

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 17>we still at their time search.

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 2>How does that impact the family. We don't respect life enough.

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:37.920
<v Speaker 17>And if you don't respect life outside your house, how

0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:39.399
<v Speaker 17>are you gonna respect the lives in your house?

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 1>How do we break this cycle? I think me God

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>gat I hear you, but that you are more profound

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>than you know. I think. And that's why one of

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the reasons you're here at this particular time. God doesn't

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>really make those type of mistake. He puts you here

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in our space to answer the question that Ice has answered.

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think that black men listening to this who

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 1>disagree with you probably aren't listening to this show. I

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.799
<v Speaker 1>think most men who are listening to this show would

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>simply say, hey man, But the next question that we

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>have is like, how do we You said something that

0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>said black men need to get a grip, and then

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you talked about the cycle, and so I want to

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 1>do two things. I want to make sure that we

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 1>are I'm a black husband, black parent, But how do

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>we break that cycle?

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I was having a conversation with a very close friend

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of mine yesterday, brother, and it turned into an argument

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that and we made up in the.

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 1>End me, and you have had those before too, so

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I understand.

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 17>We have that is I think a part of the

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.320
<v Speaker 17>give and take iron sharp and gyron right. But in

0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 17>the group text, we going back and forth about some

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 17>of the conversations and things that happened. I didn't agree

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 17>with any of his responses. Uh, And he called me

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 17>a couple of times. I didn't ask his call when

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 17>he called me the first two times because I feel

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.239
<v Speaker 17>like I'm charged up, this might go left. I don't

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 17>want to talk to you yet. But he wanted to talk,

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.439
<v Speaker 17>so he called the last time and I was hiding

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.920
<v Speaker 17>heavy and I told him, I said, you know, I'm

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 17>gonna stoping with you, like like we're gonna stop with me,

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 17>and you're gonna stop being We're gonna stop being cool

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:25.879
<v Speaker 17>if you can't take a minute to reflect on where

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 17>you at. Dog Like as men were not missing the

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.320
<v Speaker 17>women every day, let's keep it a bean. Most brothers

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.720
<v Speaker 17>are not taking their advice from from women.

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>If we were, we would be much further along in

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:38.720
<v Speaker 2>this process.

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 17>Okay, So if you if we have to check each other,

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 17>we got to get in conversation with each other and

0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 17>check each other.

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>A lot of stuff that we left side. When you

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>out with your homeboy and y'all having a couple of drinks.

0:53:51.680 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 17>And he cat calling at this woman in a way

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 17>where where she is being diminished or disrespected. Check your

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 17>homeboy right there, Those little things turn into other things

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 17>because you're disrespecting this black woman and you don't know her,

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 17>you wanner, and you're objectifying it from the minute that

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 17>you see her. And if you objectify it from the

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 17>minute that you see her, you're gonna carry that.

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Conduct on in other ways.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 17>And we as black men, got to confront that we

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:19.360
<v Speaker 17>have made too many things acceptable and normal that are disrespectful.

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 17>It's disrespectful. We have made too many and we allow it.

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 17>He just planned out that shit not all right. I

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 17>don't have a better way to say it right now,

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 17>when we got dead babies at the hands of black men.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 17>And if that bothers you when we say that, ask yourself,

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 17>why don't ask me to change the conversation to something else.

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 17>Ask yourself, why are you struggling with that conversation? Why

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 17>as a man, can we not center somebody other than you?

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.360
<v Speaker 17>Right now, I was listening to a podcast. I'm not

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 17>gonna name it because I want to get into a

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 17>controversy of the podcast that.

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 2>In the podcast.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 17>In the podcast conversation, they were talking about, uh, the

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 17>word feminism, whether you could say feminism or not, that

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 17>that they needed another word for men who want to

0:55:09.239 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 17>be supportive of feminism.

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>We needed another word to be supportive of women. That

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:14.919
<v Speaker 2>is that right there?

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 17>That kind of thinking is why do why does there

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 17>need to be another word for us to feel man

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:26.320
<v Speaker 17>enough to support women? Why can't you be a feminist

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 17>as a brother? Why does that make you feel less masculine?

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Why does that make you?

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 17>And ask yourself those questions and if you can't answer

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 17>those questions, you need therapy.

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Brother. My last question is, oh, go ahead, No, I

0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to talk about raising young boys because you know,

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just asking questions right now. People are probably

0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be in the comment about this, that or

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the third. So I'm just literally asking from a place

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 1>of love and learning here. But when we're raising young

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>boys like stokely, what is the what's the message that

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.800
<v Speaker 1>we need to make sure that we don't pass like

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:05.919
<v Speaker 1>I think that we raised children sometimes and we take

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:10.200
<v Speaker 1>for granted the things that we should be articulating to them,

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that we may not.

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 17>So I don't have a son. I have a daughter, Zoe,

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 17>but I have a nephew, cousin, nephew, you know how

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:21.280
<v Speaker 17>we are my cousin. But he's like my nephew.

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Hebout to be a son. You're gonna raise them and

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>put him through college and all them things.

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.439
<v Speaker 17>He's across the street from me at my parents' house,

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 17>and he's ten, and little Brett is a smart little boy,

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 17>active little kid. He likes to play, but he's always

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.879
<v Speaker 17>with my daughter Zoe. They're always together. See's sixteen, he's ten.

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 17>I teach Brett now how to play with young girls

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.359
<v Speaker 17>when he's out in the yard, just doing active things

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 17>with them. You can't rough house with a young lady.

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 17>You never hit a girl when you get mad. He's

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.960
<v Speaker 17>never had those aggressions. But we talk about these things

0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.080
<v Speaker 17>before you go out to play, because as adults, we

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 17>understand what what you're going to face when you go

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:02.600
<v Speaker 17>out in the world.

0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I think we don't prepare our kids for enough. We say,

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 2>are they kids?

0:57:05.760 --> 0:57:08.399
<v Speaker 17>We let them come back in, and we don't take

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 17>the time to talk to young men about their emotions.

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:14.759
<v Speaker 17>Brett came to me one morning and he said he

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 17>didn't want to go to school today. I said, why

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:18.479
<v Speaker 17>do you want to go to school today? He said,

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.280
<v Speaker 17>I'm going through this or this and the third. And

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 17>I said, well, today, you got to understand that this

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 17>is your job. That your job is to go to school,

0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 17>bring back good grades to us, and as a result,

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 17>you're going to get these things later in life. We

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 17>have to take the time with young men to give

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 17>them the space to express themselves to us, but then

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 17>teach them.

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 2>How to have the intelligence to move on to do

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the next thing right.

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 17>And too often we don't know how to process to

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 17>the next thing, and we crash out or we give up.

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 17>And I think that we are making excuses for people

0:57:55.720 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 17>in multiple situations as adults that are faced with an

0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:03.520
<v Speaker 17>obstacle that they don't know how to get to the

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:07.920
<v Speaker 17>other side of, so they just diminish everything in their face. Right,

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.360
<v Speaker 17>And that's what's happening right now because we aren't taking

0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:13.920
<v Speaker 17>the time with our young men to teach them how

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 17>to regulate themselves to the next decision, to the next day.

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 17>My grandmother taught me after my first attempted suicide. She

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 17>said to me, baby, keep going to sleep and getting

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 17>up in the morning. It gets better.

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 17>It took me until I was in my thirties to

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:35.400
<v Speaker 17>really understand what grandmother was saying when she said, it

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.959
<v Speaker 17>does get better. Doesn't mean that that day is gonna

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 17>be good, Okay, doesn't mean that the next day is

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 17>gonna be a good day.

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 2>It means it's gonna be a better day.

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 17>And I think that too many brothers are robbing themselves

0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 17>of the ability to get to a better day.

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And not only.

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 17>Themselves, but you're robbing the entirety of families to get

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 17>to a better day. It's one thing for you to

0:58:57.920 --> 0:58:59.680
<v Speaker 17>make a decision for yourself, but then you make a

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:04.520
<v Speaker 17>decison for everybody else involved. That is just we got

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:05.680
<v Speaker 17>to wrestle with that, man.

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 6>I Gary, I really appreciate what you're saying, especially around

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 6>the piece around we don't take enough time to talk

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 6>to young men about their emotions, and so in this

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 6>moment in particular, I was frustrated most of last week

0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 6>because what I was and I'm just now being able

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.240
<v Speaker 6>to put words to it. After you said that, I

0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 6>was feeling like black women were holding the responsibility that

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 6>all of us black folks carried. After George Floyd was

0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:36.439
<v Speaker 6>murdered and people had to watch it for nine minutes

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 6>and thirty seconds on TV. White people's response to that

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:42.120
<v Speaker 6>was for black people to teach me, Give me a

0:59:42.160 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 6>book I can read, give me advice, give me somebody

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 6>I can hire, give me a group I can fund,

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.960
<v Speaker 6>give me right. And so it felt last week like

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:53.959
<v Speaker 6>black women had to hold the responsibility of black men's

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 6>mental health. We have a good friend who said, I

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.560
<v Speaker 6>don't like just the label of a mental health issue

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:01.479
<v Speaker 6>because I I have mental health issues and I would

1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:02.160
<v Speaker 6>never right.

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 5>So there's that bucket.

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.320
<v Speaker 6>But there's also this thing where I feel like, just

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:08.440
<v Speaker 6>like we were telling the white folks, y'all need to

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:12.520
<v Speaker 6>talk to yourselves. I really want that conversation to be

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.800
<v Speaker 6>with black men, and I would love for any of

1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:16.760
<v Speaker 6>you all the way in here. But I just feel

1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 6>like we talk all the time. We can urge partners

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.040
<v Speaker 6>to go to therapy. We can say we're doing the

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:24.200
<v Speaker 6>work ourselves. We have a group chat where we're venting

1:00:24.240 --> 1:00:27.000
<v Speaker 6>and vulnerable to our girls. And more often than not,

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 6>I hear y'all have in group chats, but they're about

1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.400
<v Speaker 6>sports and y'all arguing about if Lebron is still the gold,

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 6>but it's not necessarily about mental health.

1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 5>I know that's not the exception, but generally it's the rule.

1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:41.920
<v Speaker 6>Y'all don't have a lot of vulnerable spaces, which is

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 6>why you would want to carve out space for Brent

1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 6>to be able to talk about his emotions, because everybody

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 6>doesn't have that growing up. In fact, most young men

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:52.440
<v Speaker 6>are told, especially black boys, stop crying, you know, and

1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 6>nobody ever even gets a sense to like to really

1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.439
<v Speaker 6>release the tears. Bakari and Andrew fortunately do not mind

1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.400
<v Speaker 6>shedding a tear, but I do think that it's important

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<v Speaker 6>for other people to understand that. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>it's the role of black women. I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 6>what y'all think about that.

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<v Speaker 17>You know, my first conversation with you, Angela. You might

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<v Speaker 17>not remember this, but when you can't speak a Southern

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<v Speaker 17>and when I said, you know, you you talking about

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<v Speaker 17>black women, that you don't say nothing about the black men,

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<v Speaker 17>and you said, well, y'all should say something about the

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<v Speaker 17>black men.

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<v Speaker 2>You say it unless I'm consistent.

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<v Speaker 17>And when she said this, this is like, this is

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<v Speaker 17>like ten years ago, okay, And in that conversation, I

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<v Speaker 17>reflected on the other side of I said, she's right,

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<v Speaker 17>She's right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we we we as men, have to take

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 17>And that's why I've been kind of doggish with some

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<v Speaker 17>of my friends, because you know, when we're confronted with this,

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<v Speaker 17>right now, this is the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now. Okay, we didn't get it right before, brothers

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<v Speaker 2>get it right now.

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<v Speaker 17>The question that needs to be asked is why nobody

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<v Speaker 17>had a job for the man that crashed out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that a lot of us are just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in this moment and not wanting to deal with that

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<v Speaker 1>accountability that he probably led justin and surrender.

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<v Speaker 17>We failed justin, and then as a failure, as a

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<v Speaker 17>failing to justine, he ends up where he does right,

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<v Speaker 17>and nothing about, nothing about his decisions are justifiable excusable

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<v Speaker 17>in any way, shape or form. Because no matter what

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<v Speaker 17>you are going through, it is never acceptable to choose

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<v Speaker 17>violence against someone else. And that has to be the

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<v Speaker 17>framing of everything that we do in this that violence

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<v Speaker 17>against anyone else is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>It is unacceptable for us to harm a woman. It

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<v Speaker 2>is unacceptable for a woman to harm us.

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<v Speaker 17>If my daddy told me, if y'all got to be

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<v Speaker 17>putting y'all hands on each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all need to get the hell away from each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 17>I came into this at eighteen when I got into

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<v Speaker 17>the dating conversation with my father telling me, if you

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<v Speaker 17>have to be putting your hands on each other, you

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<v Speaker 17>need to get the hell away from each other. There

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<v Speaker 17>are people that I've been in a relationship with that

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<v Speaker 17>will tell you Gary might have done this or Gary

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<v Speaker 17>did that. They will never tell you I put my

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<v Speaker 17>hands on them to harm them. That has not been

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<v Speaker 17>acceptable in my family. When a man in my family

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<v Speaker 17>did hit women, we shine that Negro, you can't come

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<v Speaker 17>around here.

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<v Speaker 2>We gonna break matter of fact, tell her and the

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<v Speaker 2>kids to come over here. Negro, you can't come. That

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be the position. Thanksgiving dinner, you got that

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<v Speaker 2>abuser sitting at the table.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do with the pre crash out niggas

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<v Speaker 1>like you? You can see it. We all so we

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<v Speaker 1>all have You know, we I had conversations with justin

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<v Speaker 1>this year, right, which is what's sitting on my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all had those conversations. We have those people in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives now and just for the purposes of this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>those niggas that we know are spiraling downward those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of pre crash out like, what do we what do

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<v Speaker 1>we do with them? You know, the people who have

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<v Speaker 1>lost somebody who don't have a job, who's girl just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you you can see it. It's not anything

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<v Speaker 1>we don't see, but we treat it like a car crash.

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<v Speaker 1>We just ride by and then we tell people what

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<v Speaker 1>we just saw. How do we with our with our

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<v Speaker 1>homeboys in particular, what are some of the And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>treating you like my damn psychologists right now. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>throwing out questions to help better my life. So just

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me for that. But what do we do with

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<v Speaker 1>those pre crash outs?

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<v Speaker 2>I seek one. I don't know how to say this.

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<v Speaker 17>My mind keeps going to the same thought that there's

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<v Speaker 17>some situations where we need to tell that woman to

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<v Speaker 17>protect ourselves and get out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 18>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am deeply concerned about the safety of our women.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we've.

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<v Speaker 17>Recognized that a brother is at that point, we need

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<v Speaker 17>to talk to that sister and help that sister make

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<v Speaker 17>sure that she is safe.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the position that I think we need to

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<v Speaker 2>take first.

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<v Speaker 17>Then we need to do everything within our power to

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<v Speaker 17>get that brother to resource and then the help that

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<v Speaker 17>he can get. I struggle when I heard some of

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<v Speaker 17>the conversations about the organizations and the networks that Justin

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<v Speaker 17>was in that those organizations and networks had not provided

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<v Speaker 17>a contract, had not provided an opportunity to Everything doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to be public.

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<v Speaker 17>But I think that what we do as black people

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<v Speaker 17>is the minute you got a dot of a stain

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<v Speaker 17>on you, we start acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you untouchable, and you treat them just as much

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<v Speaker 2>of a pariah as white people do. Like people can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Like people can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Redeem himself from their worst day, he can't redeem himself

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<v Speaker 2>from this.

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<v Speaker 17>Now, nobody gives a damn he was a lieutenant governor

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<v Speaker 17>of Virginia anymore. Nobody will ever talk about any good

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<v Speaker 17>thing he ever did, because this moment will outlive all

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<v Speaker 17>of that.

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<v Speaker 5>And by the way, Gary won't say it because he

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<v Speaker 5>nicer than me.

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<v Speaker 6>He's talking about the bulet because the bulet definitely has

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<v Speaker 6>money and definitely has people in it that could have helped.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how.

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<v Speaker 17>Somebody and I understand people saying I don't want to

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<v Speaker 17>be attached to certain controversies, but you don't have to

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<v Speaker 17>be attached to a controversy to support or.

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<v Speaker 2>Help a black person.

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<v Speaker 17>And I think that we are spending too much time

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<v Speaker 17>leaving people in the wilderness of the world and wondering

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<v Speaker 17>how shit ends up where it ends up because we

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<v Speaker 17>don't give a damn, because we don't act like community,

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<v Speaker 17>because we don't love black people through their shit and

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<v Speaker 17>some shit we can love you through.

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<v Speaker 2>We cannot love you through murder. I can't. My empathy

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<v Speaker 2>starts walking all the way out the door.

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<v Speaker 17>When somebody takes another life, I want you to face

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<v Speaker 17>some level of consequence at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>If it is not a righteous murder.

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<v Speaker 17>What I mean by righteous murder where somebody is being

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<v Speaker 17>harmed and you then take the life of that person

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<v Speaker 17>that's harming someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not hearing that because you do not have to

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<v Speaker 2>take another life.

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<v Speaker 17>And I think that that is the very premise of

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<v Speaker 17>the conversation we got to get to as men, because

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<v Speaker 17>we've defined ourselves as mancho and defined ourselves as men by.

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<v Speaker 2>How violent we can be.

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<v Speaker 17>The truth of the matter is the greatest men I

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<v Speaker 17>know have taken the time and loved me, have taken

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<v Speaker 17>the time to hear me. My biological father was an

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<v Speaker 17>alcoholic till I was ten years old. My uncle William

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<v Speaker 17>became my father when I was eight and my daddy

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<v Speaker 17>wasn't there and I was getting kicked out of school

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<v Speaker 17>and I was a bad emotional kid. That man sat

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<v Speaker 17>with me and he cried with me. Take the time

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<v Speaker 17>to cry with another black man. Let him get it out.

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<v Speaker 2>We spend so much time telling me and get over it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be all right.

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<v Speaker 13>Dog.

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<v Speaker 2>We sets our way out of it. We drug our

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<v Speaker 2>way through it.

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<v Speaker 17>We go from one woman to the next woman, abusing

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<v Speaker 17>them sexually, and then we end up with the baggage

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<v Speaker 17>that we can't handle. And then we take all of

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<v Speaker 17>that out on the people around us. The Bible says,

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<v Speaker 17>charity begins at home. At home, you smiling at everybody

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<v Speaker 17>at the job, but you can't smile at them kids

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<v Speaker 17>in the house. You you can show up for that

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<v Speaker 17>white man and be as profession put the damn act

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<v Speaker 17>on for your family.

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<v Speaker 2>Charity begins at home. Do it until it until it

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<v Speaker 2>feels natural. I know some of the things because they

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<v Speaker 2>taught us as men not to feel that.

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<v Speaker 17>We don't always know how to process through. But let

1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:41.720
<v Speaker 17>yourself feel it. Let yourself feel the pain and then

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<v Speaker 17>let yourself get to the point where you realize the

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<v Speaker 17>pain subsides. And we as men have to have that

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<v Speaker 17>conversation with men, But we have to protect the women first.

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<v Speaker 17>Our first obligation is to protect these women. As a

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<v Speaker 17>father of a sixteen year old daughter, I don't want

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<v Speaker 17>nobody to harm my baby, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I want us to see every black woman like it's

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<v Speaker 2>our baby.

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<v Speaker 17>If you don't want nobody to do that to your child,

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<v Speaker 17>don't do that to nobody else's child.

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<v Speaker 2>Every black woman is somebody else's child.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Carrie.

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<v Speaker 17>We can do so much better, That's all I'm saying, Brothers,

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<v Speaker 17>and it's not nobody is against you to tell you

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<v Speaker 17>that we can do better.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know it is hard.

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<v Speaker 17>I know it feels like the world is against us.

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<v Speaker 17>But there are brothers who love you and will hold

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<v Speaker 17>you down. But you got to love yourself enough to live.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Gary Chambers.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank y'all.

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<v Speaker 16>Who cares about truth in the last morning, seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, try to read this outra so we can get

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<v Speaker 1>out of y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Carrie, thank y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, we want to remind everyone to leave us

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<v Speaker 1>a review and subscribe to the native.

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<v Speaker 5>Lamppod have calls to action.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think we need one.

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<v Speaker 6>After that, I want to play mine. Okay, Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 6>has just been a heavy show. Uh, and I figured

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<v Speaker 6>it was going to feel heavy. It's necessary. But because

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<v Speaker 6>I believe Bacari might have won the challenge yesterday, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not sure. Andrew with the with the with the live show,

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<v Speaker 6>there's a very special moment from more House and I

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<v Speaker 6>just in a time where we're seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>black men in mugshots. I wanted to show some folks

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<v Speaker 6>who are winning as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So if we can roll that clip, Nick.

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<v Speaker 14>Hello everyone, we are black men and white coach at

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<v Speaker 14>moor House School of Medicine, and I want to introduce

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<v Speaker 14>you to the future of medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Her.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Tarren Ballet.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a freshman biology major in the pre medical track

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<v Speaker 7>with a Public Health science minor from Baltimre, Maryland, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to be a future cardiatric ser.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 16>My name is Jason Faulkner. I'm a senior biology major

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<v Speaker 16>with the minus sociology from Soul, North Carolina, and I

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<v Speaker 16>am a future pediatric n caciologist.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Zahir Andia Man a senior biology major

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<v Speaker 2>from Brooklyn, New York, and I will be a future antasiologist.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Lena Scott.

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<v Speaker 17>I am a junior Biology major, Public Health Public Policy

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<v Speaker 17>double minor from Dallas, Texas, and I will be a

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<v Speaker 17>future general surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Andrew Pope.

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<v Speaker 21>I'm a sophomore biology major from over The, Alabama and

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<v Speaker 21>I'm a future chari thoracic surgeon.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is to Horn. I'm a junior biology major

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<v Speaker 4>from euast In, Texas, and I'm a future trauma surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Christian Oldles. I am a junior Biology

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<v Speaker 1>and Psychology major neuroscience minor from fair Fair, Alabama, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am a future neurologist.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Corey Bardies Junior.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a sophomore Biology major Public health minor from Boston, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm a future physician scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Amy day Dammy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a freshman biology major from Santana, Texas, and i

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<v Speaker 4>am a future demotologist.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Jason Rigs, Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a sophomore Biology major sociology minor from Edison, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am a future or the Peak Surgeon.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, my name is a Lodger Lowis. I'm a sophomore

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<v Speaker 2>biology major from Columbia, South Carolina. Now I'm a future

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<v Speaker 2>physician scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Quindel Myrik. My name is Quindel Myrik,

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<v Speaker 1>sophomore Biology major, public health minor from Virginia in a

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<v Speaker 1>future orthopedi surgeon.

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<v Speaker 16>My name is Malcolm Jolly. I am a junior bology

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<v Speaker 16>major at the Premier Track from Sant Louis, Missouri, and

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<v Speaker 16>I will be a nacciologist.

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<v Speaker 2>I am m O tep Truett.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a junior biology major in the Premit track attending

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<v Speaker 1>Morehouse College from Deurning, North Carolina, and I will be

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<v Speaker 1>a neurosurgeon.

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<v Speaker 8>I am a Kennan Dewoke.

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<v Speaker 4>I am a junior biology major from Macon, Georgia, and

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<v Speaker 4>I will be an orthopedia surgeon.

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<v Speaker 5>And my name is Justin sat Cloud.

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<v Speaker 4>I am a junior biology major from Las Vegas, Nevada,

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<v Speaker 4>and I will be a dermatologist.

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<v Speaker 6>Shout out to Warehouse College of Medicine. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to play that, and I am going to dedicate that

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<v Speaker 6>to my nephews Davis and Jackson and stokely. Y'all have

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<v Speaker 6>some big shoes to feel, but I know you will

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<v Speaker 6>feel them well too. To you all in case you

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<v Speaker 6>all have closing words, I know this has been an

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<v Speaker 6>emotionally heavy show, so I wanted to end in with

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<v Speaker 6>a little light.

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