1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: On the day before Thanksgiving. It's time to get thanks 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: for Trey McBride. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Surrek joins me, if he's not the best tied end 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: in the game, he's certainly among the top three or four. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: The numbers say as much more importantly, it's Tray's value 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: within the offense. Also the letters from Wednesday's practice, Which 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: players are deserving of your Pro Bowl vote? And it's 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: never too early to talk about the playoffs. It's Cardinals 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode eight twenty four, and it starts now. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: dot Com slash podcast. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again. 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: So more are you magic? 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig trailer. 18 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So I hesitate to bring this up because of 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: the reaction I know this will cause by a lot 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: of people. But I saw my first reindeer car decoration 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: as I drove into work here Wednesday morning. I know 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Cody's a big fan. You Danning, not so much. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: You're the third person to tell me in the last 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: week that people have started putting antlers on their cars. 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: It does look I put it this way. I am 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: coming over to your side because it does look. It 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: looks out of place to me. 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 3: It looks childish. 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: There's that two there's that too. But I understand tis 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the season. Yet I don't know. No, no, just say 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: no to you car. Decorate your car, okay, decorating. 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: You want to. You want to write a sign or 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: something your kids graduating middle school or high school, or 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: honk if you love whatever. I don't care about that 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: that washes off the antlers and the red nose or 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: the eyelashes. I can't stand. 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: What about dressing up your pets? Where do you fall 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: on that. 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: Unless you live somewhere cold where you are having to 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: protect your dog by putting a sweater on them to 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: go outside for walk, or in Arizona and the heat 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: when you're having to put boots on their paws in 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: the summertime to walk them on the sidewalk. I get 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: that functionality. Dressing up your pet in any other form, 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: no full disclosure. 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: I do not have pets. I was just curious because 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: I know you want to know, well, I do want 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: to know what you saw at Wednesday's practice. As we 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: kind of divert the conversation here on Cardinals cover two 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: to actual football being played this week when the Cardinals 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: visit the Vikings. You brought the weather nice cloudy Wednesday 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: morning for those twenty minutes that we were out at practice, 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, I do think it was a good Wednesday 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. Jalen Thompson back on the practice field. 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: We have not seen him for the past couple of games, 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: so you add him to that secondary, it can only 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: benefit your team. I know Rabbit has played very well 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: in JT's absence, but again, there's something about experience in 59 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: the secondary. When you combine both Buddha and. 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson, the two of them, Buddha Baker and Jalen 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: Thompson just play so well off each other because they 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: have that chemistry and that connection and have played so 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: often together. Doesn't take away from the good that Rabbit 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: has put out there in his rookie season and the 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: limited snaps that he's had and getting some experience with 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: some starts. It's similar to Jonah Williams coming back as 67 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: your right tackle. When you have your starter come back 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: and they are healthy, you want the back in the lineup. 69 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: I would you bring up Jonah Williams. My guess is, again, 70 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: as we talked about it now for several days, it 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: wasn't just Jonah being back in the lineup. It was 72 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: a collective failure on the part of the offensive line 73 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: across the board. But if there was any trust from 74 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. Although JG did praise Jonah for his play 75 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: on Sunday at Seattle, you get that first game out 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: of the gate, a couple more days of practice, I'm 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: looking for a bounce back performance by this offensive line. 78 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: It was more than just Williams on the right side 79 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: of the offensive line that was getting beat up by 80 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: a Seahawks defense. That's what it was. The offensive line 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 3: was getting bullied. Quarterback Kyler Murray was constantly under pressure, 82 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of time, was having to scramble 83 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: and to do his best to extend plays. Just not 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: a good outing by an offensive line that house looked 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: really good all season. They're going to bounce back because 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: they have looked so good all season. You can tell 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: that that performance is a one off and that's not 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: what to expect against the Vikings defense this week. 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, without question. Now, on the other side of the 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, Darius Robinson his second week of practice 91 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Wednesday was his fifth practice. Now the question is, all right, 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: is this the week? And I think based off what 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: we've been hearing, whether it was from the head coach 94 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: or Nick Rowlis, this is the week that we actually 95 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: get to see number fifty six on the football field. 96 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: And you're already starting to smile because that means Mizzou. 97 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: I would expect a snap count to a certain extent 98 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: for Robinson, who hasn't played football since the Cotton Bowl 99 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: almost twelve months ago. The fact that he is getting 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: consistent practice reps, he's not wearing a sleeve, he's participating 101 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 3: in the drills is all great sign moving forward that 102 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: he truly is trending and being able to play in 103 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: Minnesota and make his season in career debut in the NFL. 104 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: The rotation that is asked of this defensive line will 105 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: bode well for Robinson. He's not expected to go in 106 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: and play seventy eighty percent of the defensive snaps, so 107 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: that will be good. I still think that it is 108 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: fair to expect a ramp up just physically getting back 109 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: out there and playing football, which is different than just 110 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: practice and different than rehab. The mental side of things 111 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: is the game is still going to have to slow 112 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: down to a certain I said, that's with every rookie 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: at every position, so it's going to take time. Nonetheless, 114 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: even just the physical attributes that Robinson, the natural ability 115 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: that Robinson has is going to bring a boost to 116 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: this defensive line. 117 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: He does look very good in practice. But I'm managing 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: my own expectations because I know that when you have 119 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: those expectations, especially for a rookie, especially for a first 120 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: round draft pick, and then those expectations are not met. 121 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Ie Marvin Harrison Junior. Do we expect Darius to come 122 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: out there and have a couple of sacks a couple 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: of the tackles for loss in his first outing. Probably not. 124 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: But to your point, it's more of adding depth to 125 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: the rotation. Instead of five man rotation, you now have 126 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: a six man rotation in all likelihood. And I'll say 127 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: this this Cardinals coaching staff and medical team, they've been 128 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: very deliberate as far as when they bring a player 129 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: back coming off injury. So while it would not be 130 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: a shock if we do not see Darius this week, 131 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: based off again what we've been seeing at practice and 132 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: the fact that you could manage his snaps, whether that's 133 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: what fifteen to twenty I mean. Baron Browning had eighteen 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: in his debut, but he had already been playing football 135 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: the entire season. But I'm guessing in that fifteen to 136 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: twenty range I think would be a good first step 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: for Darius and then you build him up the rest 138 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: of the way. 139 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: Robinson went semi viral after the draft when discussing in 140 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: detail his routine for looking over his film, going through 141 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: his practice film, looking at the opponent, all the things 142 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: he does during a week to be ready to go 143 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: and to play and not necessarily think but just react 144 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: on a game day. He said that despite the fact 145 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: he's not playing, Robinson has continued that same routine every 146 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: week of who they're playing and looking at what he's 147 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: been doing, what he can do when outside linebackers Daven 148 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: Collins spoke with the media early this week. I'd asked 149 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: him from his experience as a first round draft pick 150 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: what he has or would say to Robinson in terms 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: of managing expectations to get on the fet but have 152 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: a different scenario for Robinson who's calming off an injury 153 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: and Collins, who came in a completely different scenario of 154 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: playing under a veteran and having to earn that spot 155 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: and with an entirely different defense in staff. Still someone 156 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: who you could say from the outside in got a 157 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: lot of critique his rookie year. Colin said that his 158 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: advice to Robinson would be to just be himself. He 159 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: has to manage the expectations, can't let the noise get 160 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: to him. He just has to be him. Collins has 161 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: worked with Robinson state after practice with him to go 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: over techniques, and Robinson's not the only player Collins has 163 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: been doing that with even before this season started. That's 164 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: something that Colin's a role he's really stepped up into. 165 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: That's his advice to Robinson said, just be you focus 166 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: on yourself, focus on what you can do, and don't 167 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: focus on the outside noise or the outside expectations. He said, 168 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 3: it can be a lot like mentally that is. 169 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: Tough, and because you're getting it, maybe not from fans, 170 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: but family members, those close to you that hey, you know, 171 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: we've been waiting, and you build up the anticipation because 172 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: you've been waiting for so long, and then you don't 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: want to disappoint, whether yourself or anyone else. But I'm 174 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: glad you brought up Zavion Collins and the work that 175 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: they've been doing after practice because last Friday, when Israel 176 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: Wolfork was doing Q and A with the media in 177 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: the background, there was Zavon and Darius and it looked 178 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: like that veteran versus the rookie, much like a couple 179 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: of years ago where it was JJ Watt and Zavon Collins, 180 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: and Zavion made it very clear he's not an old veteran. 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: He's what twenty five twenty six years old, so he's 182 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: still relatively young in this league. Yet at the same time, 183 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: the knowledge that he does have, even after a handful 184 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: of years in the league, he can help guide along 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: Darius to where maybe those speed bumps that Zavion had 186 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: are a little bit smoother. And every player has different 187 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: roads in which they travel in the National Football League. 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: But it is a nice it's a nice turn of events, 189 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: if you will. Seeing Zavon Collins come in out of nowhere, 190 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: very little known about him, small town and come in 191 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: here now all of a sudden, he's that big brother. 192 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: If you will, Darius, this is what I went through. 193 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Maybe this might help you, maybe it doesn't, but I 194 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: can share my experience with you. 195 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: The mentee becomes the mentor. Collins made it very clear 196 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: he was not alluding that he is on the same 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: level of JJ Watt when he was comparing the fact 198 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: that the times when Watt would mentor Collins and now 199 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 3: Collins is doing that to Robinson and helping him out 200 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 3: in ways that he learned and got help from Watt 201 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: in his time when they were together here. I liked 202 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: when Collins laughed because he said Robinson calls him big 203 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: bro and then realizes, oh, you're only like two years 204 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 3: older than me. You're not old, You've just been here 205 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: longer than me. And Colins if was like, yeah, I 206 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: came to the league when I was really young. 207 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: Two three years in the league feels and seems like 208 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: a lot, especially how much you can learn in that 209 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: short amount of time. And I think that's what you're 210 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: seeing out of Zavon Collins, and sometimes maybe those numbers 211 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: aren't there when you look at the final stats. But 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: again you have to go back and ask, what is 213 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: this defense asking of zav and Collins, asking of anyone 214 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: offense or defense versus what we think we should see 215 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: out of an outside linebacker or a defensive lineman. So again, 216 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: pay attention on Sunday. How many snaps does number fifty 217 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: six get? Who knows, But it'll just be good to 218 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: see him on the football field, considering how dominant he 219 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: was in training camp and how electrifying he was in 220 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: those ten snaps against Denver Broncos in the first preseason game. 221 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: Can you do that now in the regular season. 222 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: Robinson's chomping at the bit to get out there. So 223 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: I wouldn't even be surprised if we saw some of 224 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: those flashes in a regular season game that we saw 225 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 3: in the off season. 226 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: That certainly is the hope coming up on Sunday. Now, 227 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: as we speak here on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, 228 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: what are you thankful for? 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: Danny so much? Craig, just so much sitting here on 230 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: this podcast, the Cardinals winning, because our work is a 231 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: lot more fun when they're winning. I say, my family, Wow, 232 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: that seemed like such a friends, weather in the winter 233 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: here in Arizona. 234 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: Good health, good health. That's a good list. That's for 235 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: me to keep going specifically about the Arizona Cardinals, but 236 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: I want to add someone specifically. And when I mentioned 237 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: the name Trey McBride, I think it's all given. We're 238 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: thankful that he's with the air Zon. 239 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was number one on my list. I just 240 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: didn't say that. I thought that wasn't a soum. 241 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: My question is do we appreciate him enough? And before 242 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: you answer that question, let me ask you another question. 243 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: When I say Cardinals number one receiver, who's the first 244 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: name that pops into your head? 245 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: It should be a wide receiver, but it's Trey McBride. 246 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad you think that way, because you're right. Many 247 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: people it's Marvin because you say receiver. But I would 248 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: hope at this point, based off what we've seen out 249 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: of trade McBride within this offense, that he is now 250 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: at the level or near the level. Because when you 251 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: say Kansas City Chiefs number one wide receiver, number one, 252 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: what number one receiver, it's Travis Kelce that comes to mind. 253 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: I would hope, and I would like that when you 254 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: think Arizona Cardinals that Trey McBride, based off his numbers 255 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and his importance to this offense is that player for 256 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona. 257 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: Cardinals locally and Nashally, McBride is really getting a lot 258 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: of the love he deserves, especially as a tight end 259 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: who hasn't found the end zone. But when you look 260 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: at the rest of his numbers, he continues to break 261 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: franchise records on what feels like a weekly or bi 262 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: weekly scenario. On a week to week basis, he continues 263 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: to move the chains and be a big role in 264 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: this offense. There's a reason head coach Jonathan Gannon said 265 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 3: that the passing game goes through McBride. It really does. 266 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: That is Murray's most reliable weapon, and regardless of how 267 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: many defenders he has in his face, McBride seems to 268 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: find a way use his strong hands bring it down 269 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: and refuses to go down on first contact, really getting 270 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: those extra yards, those dirty yards, making multiple defenders have 271 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: to team up to take him down and make sure 272 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: they don't go low, otherwise he's going to hurdle them. 273 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: McBride has also stepped up his blocking game as well. 274 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: That was a big area of emphasis for him and 275 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: his coaching staff in the offseason, and now you're getting 276 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 3: to a point where if you've got a multiple tight 277 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: end set out there doesn't necessarily mean that McBride is 278 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: going to be your receiver. He could be out there 279 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: as your main blocker. Now that you've got Elijah Higgins 280 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: Tip Briman getting a little more looks, McBride really has 281 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: become the full package that he wants to be as 282 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: a tight end. 283 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: His fifteen targets on Sunday in Seattle, not only were 284 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: they a career high, but that is a large number. 285 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that number because he had twelve 286 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: catches for one hundred and thirty three yards. If you're 287 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: going to give me that production when I throw you 288 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: the football, I'm going to continue to throw you the 289 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: football regardless of what position you are. So and also 290 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: within this offense, keep in mind you brought it up, 291 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: you've been tracking this for a while. How many two 292 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: and three tight end sets that we see. You're not 293 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: going to have a lot of opportunities if you're the third, fourth, 294 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: fifth wide receiver on this team, because right now there 295 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: are two wide receivers and then there's everyone else it's Marvin, 296 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: it's Michael Wilson, and even them, they've been up and down. 297 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: The one consistent offensive threat outside of Kyler Murray this 298 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: season Trey McBride. As far as the passing game is concerned. 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: That can be good and bad. I can understand the 300 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: frustrations of you want your wide receivers to be your 301 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: top receivers and you want them to be consistent and 302 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: come up with sixty eighty maybe a hunt close to 303 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: one hundred yards receiver every week and find the end 304 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: zone every week. That's not always realistic, and that's not 305 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: what is happening with this Cardinals offense. The good is 306 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: you're getting some production from McBride, even if he's not 307 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: the one finding the end zone. He's the one moving 308 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: you down the chains, getting you into the red zone, 309 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: getting you inside the twenties. If that's working, keep doing it. 310 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem at all. If you're top receiver, 311 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: your most targeted receiver is a tight end. If that's 312 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: what's working, great. If you can find an offense that 313 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: is going to continue to move the chains and move 314 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: the ball forward and that's your number one receiver, great. 315 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: Now doesn't mean that you should give up on your 316 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: wide receivers and you shouldn't find more ways to get 317 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: the more intricated into the offense. I think both things 318 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: can be true. If you're getting really good things from McBride, 319 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: and that's okay, and you still need to get more 320 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: out of your wide receivers. 321 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I just think we're seeing 322 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: an evolution within this offense that it's run first, it's 323 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: James Connor established the run, and then right after that 324 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: it's Trey McBride. And there's nothing wrong with that. To 325 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: your point, as long as you're productive and you're winning 326 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the minute, all of a sudden you're not winning, that's 327 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: when it's okay, Well, why didn't you win? What wasn't working? 328 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: Well? 329 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: Marvin only has two or three catches, Michael Wilson only 330 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: has a couple of catches. Now, a lot of that 331 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: is fantasy football because everyone loves the wide receivers. He 332 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: invested a fourth overall pick and Marvin you want him 333 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: to be that one thousand yard receiver. But if that's 334 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: not what this offense is about. If you can still 335 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: win games when your wide receivers are giving you seven 336 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: hundred eight hundred yards. Marvin's still scoring touchdowns. Trey's not 337 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: so Trey's giving you the yards from the five yards on. 338 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: Harrison's doing the bow perfect. 339 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as you're scoring points winning games, it 340 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't matter. 341 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 3: If that's what it takes to win games. Continue to 342 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 3: do that. That's really what it comes down to. 343 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: By the way, McBride among tight ends, number three in receptions, 344 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: number two in receiving yards. He is the third most 345 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: targeted tight end and the league. His catch percentage when 346 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: targeted trails only Travis Kelcey crazy because then. 347 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: He's what bottom of the bottom of the list. And touchdowns. 348 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: I think if he goes the entire season with what 349 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: seventy seventy five eighty catches one thousand yards or close 350 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: to eight hundred nine undred yards, but no touchdown receptions 351 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: but just a touchdown run and a fumble or the 352 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: funkle from. 353 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: James Connor at home at State Farm Stadium. 354 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he has two total touchdowns, but none of them 355 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns. It's the weirdest when you look at the 356 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: stats for the Arizona Cardinals, whether it's rushing or receiving, 357 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: and it's just zero but you see sixty one reception, 358 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: six hundred and eighty five yards. He's averaging better than 359 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: eleven yards a catch, zero touchdown. 360 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: And the stats don't show the whole story, that's only 361 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: part of it. They don't show that it's McBride offensively 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: that was helping keep the Cardinals in the game last 363 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: week against the Seahawks. Doesn't show that McBride when murray 364 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: against the Jets at home against the Jets where he 365 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: rolled out and completely threw against his body McBride which 366 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: happened to be in the right spot and then read 367 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: the pass correctly to come back, those don't show up 368 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: on the stat sheet that that's watching and the eye 369 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: test of what McBride really does bring to this offense 370 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 3: and what a security blanket he has been for this quarterback. 371 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: Right now, Trey McBride is more valuable than any other 372 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: of the past catchers in the receiving game are concerned. 373 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: At least to me right now, it would be hard 374 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 3: to argue against that. 375 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: So that brings us to Pro Bowl voting. Trey McBride 376 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: certainly worthy of consideration, not even consideration. He is worthy 377 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: of your vote, my vote, Cardinals fans votes, across the league. 378 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: Tray McBride should be a Pro Bowl tied end. Now 379 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: there are four tight ends selected in each conference, so 380 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: there is no excuse whatsoever. I fully anticipate Trey McBride 381 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: getting voted in. Doesn't have to be a starter, but 382 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: voted in but not playing in the game because, of course, 383 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals will be playing in the Super Bowl, Danny, 384 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: so that means you do not get to go to 385 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. But I would hope and I would 386 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: be severely disappointed if Trey McBride is not selected to 387 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: his first Pro Bowl. 388 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 3: Agreed one hundred percent, he's very well deserving. 389 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl dot Com forward slash vote. That's Pro Bowl 390 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: dot Com forward slash vote now through Monday, December twenty third. 391 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: My question is, though, because this Cardinals team second place 392 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: in the division based off the tiebreaker, a much different 393 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: performing team than a year ago, there are others that 394 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: are worthy of voting for the Pro Bowl. I've got 395 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: a list, but I want to hear off the top 396 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: of your head. 397 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: Oh boy, off the top of my head, we're talking. 398 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: It's so hard when you're coming off a game that 399 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: just as ugly as Seattle did so keeping in mind 400 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: a broader season. 401 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: All eleven games, not just the Seattle game. I wouldn't 402 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: vote for anyone based off the Seattle game. 403 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: Looking at the An argument for quarterback Kyler Murray could 404 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: absolutely be made. James Connor, same situation, looking at the 405 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: numbers and how well he has played offensive line oof, 406 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 3: I would probably say lev tackle Paris Jaurantson Junior and 407 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: I could I think you could argue center yell De 408 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: for Aholt. Typically, unfortunately, a lot of offensive line voting 409 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: is a popularity vote. They don't have a lot of 410 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: stats to go off of. Trey McBride is tight end. 411 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: I can't with a conscience mention a wide receiver. I'm 412 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: working on defense. Buddha Baker for sure is your safety, 413 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: no question there. And I think you could argue linebacker 414 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: Kaiser White. I don't, off the top of my head 415 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: know a lot of the numbers in comparison around the league. 416 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: That could be another one where it could be a 417 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: popularity vote. Could be a little tricky on defense specialtys. 418 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I think you could. 419 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: Say your punter, Blake Gillikin continues to have another fantastic year. 420 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: Joey Blunt, who has just been a menace on special 421 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 3: teams and has really come and clutch more times than once, 422 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: more times than two or three times on special teams. 423 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: So team Joey Blunt. 424 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: I'll add a couple more just based off what we 425 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: hear from special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers Max Melton, because 426 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: again I don't pay many people don't pay a lot 427 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: of attention to special teams, and less special teams aren't good, 428 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: or you're paying attention to the return game, not what 429 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: is happening around the returners. But as often as Jeff 430 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: has mentioned Max as far as a gunner on this 431 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: team as a rookie and still getting a number of 432 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: defensive snaps, but the fact that Max Melton is making 433 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: plays that Jeff Rogers is bringing up on his own 434 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: says a lot. Because Jeff has been around this league 435 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: for a long long time, So Max Melton. And then 436 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: because we have not seen a bad snap knock on 437 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: wood Aaron Brewer, I lost. 438 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: Some love for the long snapper. 439 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Because I looked, because I mean, everyone talks about offense defense, 440 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: and yeah, Trey McBride, Budabaker, I don't think there's any 441 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: question whatsoever if you're gonna have one offense, one defense. 442 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Those will be your top two. But special teams, I 443 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: mean they you can select a punter, a kicker, a 444 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: return specialist, special teamers, which is a broad category for 445 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: the coverage units, and then long snappers. So you can 446 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: vote for Blake Gillikin, Joey Blunt or Max Melton or both, 447 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: and Aaron Brewer, all deserving. Chad Ryland I would have 448 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: put up there, but I don't think he's been here 449 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: long enough. Although he's been he's responsible for three of 450 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: your six wins. Yet at the same time, I think 451 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: when you're Pro Bowl kicker, it's more of the If 452 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: you're winning games kicking fifty plus yard field goals, sixty 453 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: plus yard field goals, that's I think that's where you 454 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: get those kicking recognition. But again, Pro Bowl dot Com 455 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: forward slash vote, that's Pro Bowl dot Com forward slash votes. 456 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Get those Arizona Cardinals in Orlando for the Pro Bowl 457 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: on Sunday, February second, and then they don't play because 458 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are in the Super Bowl. 459 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 3: A third of the votes come from the fans, a 460 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: third from the players, and a third from the coaches. 461 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: It's important and you brought every vote matters. Your vote matters, 462 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: Yes it does. 463 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: Paris Johnson Junior. You brought up certainly deserving on the 464 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: offensive line. Six tackles, by the way, and each conference 465 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: can be voted and sideline exchange guests this week, Paris Johnson, Junior. 466 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: Johnson's had a really good season, especially his first year 467 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: out on the left side. He played their bit in college. 468 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: Made the switch though in the pros after playing on 469 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: the right side as a rookie. Played every snap last year, 470 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 3: has looked good, has been a good anchor for that 471 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: offensive line that again, when we're looking beyond on the 472 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: Seahawks game of last week, has performed really well. And 473 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: Johnson's got two games this week. He's got Cardinals the Vikings, 474 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: and he's got Ohio State and Michigan. 475 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Saturday is not that much of a question. 476 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Sunday will be a little bit more difficult considering the 477 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: Vikings defense and top five in sacks this season. And 478 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: then they think he can relax a little bit on 479 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: Saturday watching his Buckeyes. I think they're a better football 480 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: team than the team that they are playing. Even though 481 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: my brother did go to Michigan, so shout out Wolverinees, 482 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: but not this year anyway. The last topic on here 483 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: as we speak to you here on the day before 484 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving playoffs, And I bring it up because Jonathan Annon 485 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: brought it up. 486 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: Quote. 487 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: We're in playoff football right now. We can be thankful 488 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: we're playing meaningful football. Cardinals, are they have done enough 489 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: in September and October and November to beginning this Sunday 490 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: playing meaning full football in December? That's right. December first 491 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: is Sunday, so you're gonna welcome in the new month. 492 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: Wow in Minnesota, Danny, congratulations. 493 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: Be whopping eighteen degrees. 494 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: How do you feel about the Cardinals chances when you 495 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: look at what's left for the Cardinals versus the Seahawks, 496 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: rams in forty nine ers. Cardinals have the Vikings, Seahawks, Patriots, Panthers, 497 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: rams In, forty nine Ers, Seahawks, Jets, Cardinals, Packers, Vikings, Bears, 498 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: and Rams. In fact, they have the ninth strongest strength 499 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: of schedule remaining according to the NFL. The Rams a 500 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: game back at the Saints, they get the Bills, forty 501 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: nine Ers, Jets, Cardinals, and Seahawks, and then the forty 502 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: nine ers. They have the fifth strongest strength of schedule 503 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: remaining at Buffalo, got the Bears, the Rams at Miami Lions, 504 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: and then the Cardinals in week eighteen. 505 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: That's a lot of teams to try and sem through. 506 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 3: From what you were saying, the Rams feel the most 507 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: similar in terms of the situation they're in. Then the Cardinals, 508 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: where once you get past the Vikings for Arizona this week, 509 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: your toughest opponents are within the division, and that's from 510 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: the list, That's what it sounds like for LA where 511 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: San Francisco and Seattle have much tougher schedules, tougher roads 512 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: ahead for them. The Cardinals' best chance, anyone's best chance 513 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: to get in the playoffs is winning your division. That 514 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: is the best way to do it. That is a 515 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: guaranteed way to do it. It's a tight race in 516 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: the NFC West. While every game matters these divisional opponents, 517 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: those games really have heavy playoff implications. Obviously, the first 518 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 3: thing they're going to have to look at is your 519 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: overall win record, right, so every game matters, and playing 520 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: against the Vikings who are in the NFC, this game 521 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 3: is also going to matter. The fact that Arizona has 522 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: three divisional games left, you play every opponent one more time. 523 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: You absolutely have to go out and win those games. 524 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: There's no question about it, because it's a tight race 525 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: right now, and it's a tight race not just the 526 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 3: overall record. The divisional record is pretty neck and neck 527 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 3: with all four teams. 528 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: Losing at Seattle made the road more difficult. But I 529 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: didn't come out of that loss disappointed, heartbroken, or sing it. 530 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: But there was a lot of sentiment, including on Cardinal talk, 531 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: and I still feel that way next week, if you're 532 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: six and six to your point, you win the division 533 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: you're in. Whether that's with nine wins, ten wins, eleven wins, 534 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You win the division you're in. And the 535 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: fact is you have three more division games to go, 536 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: plus the Patriots and Panthers. I know Carolina is playing 537 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: a little bit better and the Cardinals haven't played well 538 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: at Carolina historically. I like things even going into next 539 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: week's game. The important one, though, is you have to 540 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: beat Seattle. 541 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: We're getting a little in the weeds here. Even if 542 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 3: the Cardinals don't win the division, you have to be 543 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: right behind them because look at the rest of the NFC. 544 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 3: If you're in the hunt for a wildcard spot. Look 545 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: at the NFC North. Look at I mean, the Vikings 546 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: are nine to two and they're not even in first 547 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: place in the division. So you're not just fighting against 548 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: the NFC West, that's the first hurdle. Then you're going 549 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: against the rest of the NFC in Green Bay as well. 550 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: Like it's tough, it's tough. The Cardinals really don't have 551 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: a choice but to start I shouldn't say start winning 552 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: games because they've have won loss and they had four 553 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: wins prior. You got to get back on track. 554 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because you look at if you don't get 555 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: the division and you hope to get a wild card berth, 556 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: then the teams that you're playing or you're fighting for 557 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: paying attention to are those teams that you've already played. Lions, Well, 558 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: they're going to win the division. That looks like they 559 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: look unstoppable. But you lost to the Packers, you lost 560 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: to the Commanders, and you've got the Vikings this week, 561 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: so you lose that head to head tiebreaker. So you'd 562 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: have to finish a game ahead of those teams if 563 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: you want to sneak in as a wild card. Looking 564 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: at Washington's schedule, by the way, and they've kind of 565 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: dropped off recently. They've got the Titans at the Saints, Eagles, Falcons, 566 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: and then at the Cowboys. 567 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: Sound pretty winnable at this point, but. 568 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: It again, it's a commander's team. 569 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: That you know, I can't be yourself. 570 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: No, So yeah, it's if JG's gonna talk playoffs and 571 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: talk about meaningful football, then there's no reason why we can't. 572 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: And then you get the league memos and the emails 573 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: that this week the Lions, the Bills, and the Chiefs 574 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: all with possible playoff scenarios to clinch a playoff spot. 575 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: The Bills, by the way, we're going to talk about that. 576 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the game that the winter 577 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: storm coming in. The forty nine Ers are playing at 578 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: Buffalo Sunday night. It's gonna be like thirty mile an 579 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 3: hour wins tons of snow. 580 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: I can't wait, Yx, it's not us exactly, even if 581 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: it was. I wait, no, I can't say that because 582 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: you'd be at the game, but you'd be in the 583 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: press box, so you would be okay, you would be 584 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: game Yes, Oh that's right, now, you know what I'd 585 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: I'd make a pitch to my pre game. 586 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm the radio somewhere else. 587 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that might. 588 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Actually have to happen if we find ourselves in that. 589 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Situation, that would have to make that call for you. 590 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: Webinoculars. 591 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: Yes, there you go. From the pregame. Yeah, from the tunnel. 592 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: It's what they're there for, the last word, because we 593 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: always give you the last word. I'm going to let 594 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: you extol the virtues of Greenmew Castle. 595 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: If you don't like green Bean Castle, you need to 596 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: grow up. It is good. It is so good that 597 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 3: at my family Thanksgiving there is a second dish made 598 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 3: that accommodates everybody's dietary restrictions because everybody wants green bean Castle. 599 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: If you don't like it, you haven't had good green 600 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: bean Castle. Unfortunately, I will not be having it this year. 601 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: I'm very grateful to be spending Thanksgiving with my friend 602 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: and her family. It's not on their menu. It is 603 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: not a popular dish, So I don't want to put 604 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 3: in the time or bring something where people don't want 605 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 3: to eat it and then they feel bad. I can 606 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: at least read the room. I can understand that I 607 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: love greenby Castle. 608 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: Yes we know that, and I do enjoy your green 609 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: bean castrole. 610 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I made some for you last year. That's right, 611 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: thank you. See it's see well, Darren. Darren Urban said 612 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: this morning he wants to try and so I guess 613 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: I didn't give him any last year. He didn't take any. 614 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: That's right. I did share some with you last year. See. Yes, 615 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: thanks Craig. 616 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. 617 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: Same to you. 618 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, bird Gang, Happy Thanksgiving, Cody across the glass, 619 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: get the head nod right there. Yes, it's a holiday week, 620 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: yet we will be back here on Friday, because Cardinals 621 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: Cover two. As Bill Belichick likes to say, there are 622 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: no days off and we'ry in the midst of a 623 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: meaningful football season for the Arizona Cardinals. 624 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: Can't wait. 625 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Enjoy the holiday everyone, and of course enjoy some football 626 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving as well. And on that note, we will 627 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: put all it on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, 628 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, 629 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Amindre, our associate 630 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: producer Cody Ventcher for Danny Serek, I'm Craig raylu We'll 631 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.