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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Jenus and Jones on The Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, December tenth, and it's a spicy meat

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Speaker 2: the ball today.

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Speaker 3: Nasty motherfucker you.

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Speaker 2: As always Jaus Jones' Dragonfly Jones a KA Tyler Everybody,

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Speaker 2: Jethrow Jenkins aka John I'm GUARDI b a ka Mike

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Speaker 2: Brother fucking Mike produces Always, by the lovely and talented

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Speaker 2: Jackson Staffron and Josh Rodriguez. Why Jackson tweety he wants

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Speaker 2: me to speak in an Italian accident for the whole park.

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Speaker 3: That's why that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I have I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: This feels like I'm not one of those we live

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Speaker 2: in where this is the simulation. I'm not like one

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Speaker 2: of those people. But like you're telling me that the

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Speaker 2: sharp nosed white man who killed that CEO is a

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Speaker 2: prominent Italian American named Luigi Mangioni Bro.

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Speaker 3: Graduated from an ivy league. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like, but his name is Luigi Bro.

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Speaker 3: Like Bro, like I'll say it in the group chat.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, there's there's been a whole lot of

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Speaker 5: hand ringing of there's nothing funny to be found here.

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Speaker 5: Once I saw that name pop up, I said, Oh,

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Speaker 5: that's gonna get put to the test.

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Speaker 3: I saw the dude that killed him was named Luigi.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, there's a lot of material here

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Speaker 3: man and keeping it a buck.

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Speaker 5: Twitter did not disappoint with with the fucking jokes. Goddamn.

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Speaker 2: They said the three shells that he wrote denied defending

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Speaker 2: depos on was the green shells for Mario Kart bro.

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Speaker 3: You know when Zach they.

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Speaker 2: Said they sent him to the Haunted mansion, They sent

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Speaker 2: him to Luigi's Haunted mansion.

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Speaker 6: Job.

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Speaker 7: The Chad said, it's gonna be the cell block's going

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Speaker 7: to be called Luigi's mansion.

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Speaker 1: Zach Fox only hops on Twitter for the best topics,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, if it's not a banger,

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Speaker 1: well you know what Zach hops on. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, this is this is a

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Speaker 1: good one. Let's all lean in, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Crazy, The Chad.

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Speaker 7: Just said, instead of that's how the cookie crumples, that's

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Speaker 7: how the Ravioli falls.

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Speaker 2: I just don't like I actually was sitting here like

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Speaker 2: thinking about it, like it was Calculus yesterday for like

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes, Like, could you think of a funnier cartoon

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Speaker 2: character for the for a murderer to be named? Like,

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Speaker 2: it's not even Mario, Like, it wouldn't even be is

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Speaker 2: funny if it was Mario, Like, it's so funny that

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Speaker 2: it's Luigi. Like I can't even wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 2: It's like if I was hanging out with my Italian

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Speaker 2: family making fun of Italian names, Luigi Mangioni is the

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Speaker 2: fake name we would come up with, Like you're being

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Speaker 2: a real Luigi Mangoni over there?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a rare day. Was there any for

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Speaker 2: our people in the chat who are on Blue Sky?

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Speaker 2: Was there any funny jokes made on Blue Sky that

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Speaker 2: were not made on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: I would like to know the answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: That's not a question that needs to be answered, Bro,

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Speaker 1: you already know the answer to it.

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Speaker 3: G didvice anything?

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Speaker 9: It's like, we ain't go over there for this type

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Speaker 9: of ship just ty right now? In no way, bro,

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Speaker 9: know what happened.

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Speaker 8: Yet that happen over yeah right right?

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Speaker 2: What did y'all get like two percent serious? What did

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Speaker 2: y'all think of? There was quite a bit made of

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Speaker 2: the fact that this was a McDonald's employee, who's who

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Speaker 2: called the tip line on this dude or something? What

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Speaker 2: do you what do y'all make of that?

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Speaker 3: Was there money involved in it?

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Speaker 2: I think they said there was a ten thousand dollars reward, Oh,

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Speaker 2: which is weak.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's weak as hell.

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Speaker 5: But I mean somebody at McDonald's hit a lick, like

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Speaker 5: you know, ten raction just just to call the cops

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Speaker 5: on the motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: Like that's it.

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Speaker 5: And they found him with all the evidence on him,

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Speaker 5: like they said he was on on like a greyhound

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Speaker 5: going somewhere across the country or some shit like. I

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Speaker 5: don't know, bro, It's just wild to me that you

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Speaker 5: are riding around with a murder weapon and a manifesto

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Speaker 5: and you stopped for a motherfucker eight McMuffin and that's

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Speaker 5: how it all goes down.

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Speaker 6: Bro.

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Speaker 3: It's just looking suspicious as hell, bro, Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: like this is how suspicious? Did you look to look

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Speaker 3: suspicious inside of McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Only suspicious motherfuckers eat in McDonald's. You were suspicious a

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Speaker 1: bunch of suspicious motherfuckers like you was tweaking, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck was you on? I saw my nigga,

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Speaker 3: we thought this. No, I ain't thinking. Motherfucker thought this. Nigga.

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Speaker 8: It was a professional he round here whining around with

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Speaker 8: the weapon. Bitch, you should have tossed that motherfucker like

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Speaker 8: eight seconds after you, you know, beak that motherfucker.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like the hell type shit

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Speaker 6: a whole manifesto.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I did it, Luigi MANIONI, that's me, motherfucker, it's

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Speaker 8: me Luigi.

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Speaker 6: Like what the fucker you all dug? You know what

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Speaker 6: I mean? You was tweaking? You feel me?

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Speaker 8: All that motherfucking brain power to do the dumbest shit

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Speaker 8: after you did what you did, crazy.

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Speaker 3: Bro, You didn't have to be that way.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, I'm not mad at a

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Speaker 1: McDonald's fucking worker for turning them in for to get

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Speaker 1: ten bands. And you're like, like, at one point in

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Speaker 1: my life, I was making twenty six take home, bro,

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Speaker 1: twenty six K take home? You feel me like, Nigga,

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Speaker 1: ten k would have fucking changed my whole shit. I

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Speaker 1: remember I got like twelve hundred from from HBO on

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Speaker 1: for the for the thug friend shit. Nigga, I thought

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Speaker 1: I was rich, bitch, you know what I mean, I

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Speaker 1: was like, nigga, shit, twelve hundred all this nigga for

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Speaker 1: ten k luise. You gotta sit this ass down, nigga,

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Speaker 1: you feel me, I don't know that, nigga.

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Speaker 6: I know the kids want Christmas, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: That's what.

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Speaker 3: I do know.

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Speaker 1: I ain't mad at him, but like y'all, I just

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Speaker 1: I feel like, bro, like, why was you moving in

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Speaker 1: that way?

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Speaker 3: That's just crazy, like you moving?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess a motherfucker that had no business

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Speaker 1: killing somebody ain't built for it, did it? And they,

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Speaker 1: you know the reality of it, you know, they're allowed

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Speaker 1: to move afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Like we were narrativizing this as like he was Jason Bourne,

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Speaker 2: but actually the police just let a guy who did

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Speaker 2: not know how to get away with murder escape the

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Speaker 2: city of New York for a solid couple of days

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Speaker 2: and then, yeah, like you said, he was arrested with

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Speaker 2: the murder weapon in his backpack, as well as a manifesto.

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Speaker 2: Which you know how like whenever anything happens involving an

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Speaker 2: adult film actor or actress, they refer to them as

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Speaker 2: a porn star, even if it's really like a sea

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Speaker 2: tier person. You know what, I mean, that's how I

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Speaker 2: feel about them calling this a manifesto, bro, Like, this

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Speaker 2: is like you have four hundred words, dog.

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Speaker 6: They said it was tiler.

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Speaker 2: They said it was a page and a half.

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Speaker 5: Bro, that's not What if it's some heat in that motherfucker?

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Speaker 5: What if it's quantity, you know, quality over quantity.

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Speaker 2: This is like a mixtape versus album debate, Like what's

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Speaker 2: the different It has to be it has to require

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Speaker 2: staples to be a manifesto.

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Speaker 5: So you think a manifesto has to involve a certain

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Speaker 5: degree of rambling.

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Speaker 2: It has to get to at least five pages, Like

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Speaker 2: a page and a half to me.

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Speaker 3: Is a memo, I mean exert he has a statement

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Speaker 3: of kind of a bang. I feel you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, The little excerpt you read to us was enough.

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Speaker 2: For manifest We're gonna get to the unibomber element.

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Speaker 5: I feel like the intention, you know, is what defines

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Speaker 5: a manifesto more than the like if you if you're

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Speaker 5: explaining some diabolical shit you did, it's a manifesto, you know.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's what qualified.

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Speaker 2: If I explained that in three sentences, though, Like if

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Speaker 2: I explain that in a tweet, like if I explain

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Speaker 2: some crazy shit I did in a two hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty character tweet, I don't feel like you could call

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Speaker 2: that a manifesto. That's a reach, though, is manifested shit best?

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Speaker 2: I feel like manifested.

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Speaker 7: The chat saying, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 7: are also talking about this angle online about how it

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Speaker 7: doesn't feel quite right that this guy who is a valedictorian,

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Speaker 7: a pen grad and successfully executed someone and disappeared into

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Speaker 7: the wind for multiple days is just getting caught with

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Speaker 7: all of the evidence.

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Speaker 2: People saying that don't know crazy people bro like and

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Speaker 2: I don't even say that on like trying to be

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Speaker 2: like this dude clearly has had like his lost his

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Speaker 2: mind after this back surgery and everything else. Like y'all

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Speaker 2: saw the tweet I said, I sent this ship to

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Speaker 2: the group chat what Tyler said the funniest ship ever?

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Speaker 3: Oh well him talking hoops?

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Speaker 2: No, the tweet where the guy tweeted at him, Hey, man,

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Speaker 2: I need you to call me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you are okay or just in

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Speaker 2: a super isolated place and have no service, but I

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Speaker 2: haven't heard from you in months. You made commitments to

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Speaker 2: me for my wedding and if you can't honor them,

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Speaker 2: I need to know so I can plan accordingly that Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Tyler said that was when he was in the Himalayas

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Speaker 2: training with Rachel Ghoul, Like did you see yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Bigger shouldn't worry about your wedding, buddy, hearing for

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Speaker 5: the reckoning.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the tweet about the hoops to I've

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Speaker 3: seen a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: There was a hoop swinging that was talking about like

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Speaker 1: you know how ball used to be and what niggas

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Speaker 1: need to get back to.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like a motherfucker that puts that is that real?

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Speaker 2: People were photoshopping like their own opinions.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, But if it was real, I

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Speaker 1: see how he could have killed somebody.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: A twenty six year old putting that much energy and

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Speaker 1: effort into that, Like, Bro, that was paragraphs and shit.

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Speaker 3: You got abs, Luigi.

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Speaker 8: Get your ass outside and put your feet in the grass, nigga.

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Speaker 3: You putting that much energy and thought into fucking hoops? Nigga, Bro,

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Speaker 3: you wasn't little all you feel me? So? Yeah, gee,

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Speaker 3: I think for the.

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Speaker 2: People who need this to like make sense. I think

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Speaker 2: here would be my explanation is it does seem like

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Speaker 2: he wants like there is a publicity element of this

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Speaker 2: to him, Like he had as a YouTube channel that

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Speaker 2: has scheduled drops, Like Tyler sent us that link to

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Speaker 2: that video that was like, if you're seeing this video,

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Speaker 2: I've been arrested.

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Speaker 3: I saw that. But is that was that real too?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want a murder somebody, you know

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Speaker 3: You gotta hide your location. But nigga, you know what

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Speaker 2: A lot of a bro. Yeah, but no, that's a Tyler.

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Speaker 7: And when they realize that all of the swamp cleaning

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Speaker 7: that he wants to do is telling Elon Musk and

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Speaker 7: Vivek to to cut all of their right, right right

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Speaker 7: that would be benefiting them directly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I found a tweet.

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Speaker 5: He says, it's the disgusting how everyone is turning this

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Speaker 5: guy into some kind of folk hero. Insurance companies, like

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Speaker 5: any company, have a duty to shareholders to maximize product,

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Speaker 5: no matter how. And then he says, he says, no

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Speaker 5: matter how, and then he says no matter how ruthlessly,

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Speaker 5: and he says, the radical left, expecting otherwise, needs to

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Speaker 5: grow the hell up.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, everybody said they think you are the

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Speaker 1: human beings.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not looking.

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Speaker 6: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not, you know, so clueless, super clol and I'm

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Speaker 2: not sitting here going I'm not I'm not even making

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Speaker 2: the free Luigi jokes, you know. But like, if you

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Speaker 2: think this, if you think a handsome young Italian man

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Speaker 2: named Luigi is not going to turn into a folk

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Speaker 2: here over this ship, it already happened, that.

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Speaker 10: Is such an insane tweet.

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Speaker 2: That's an insane tweet.

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Speaker 3: That's one of.

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Speaker 10: The craziest tweets I've.

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Speaker 3: Ever that's I can a paraphrase that shit. I went

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Speaker 3: to exactly read yea, the.

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Speaker 1: Word ruthlessly no matter how ruthless, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 2: Super crazy. Sorry today, No, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: He also had some tweet that he did not delete

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Speaker 7: about almost this whatever, which is not about the point now,

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Speaker 7: but just to say that, like, the point of the

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Speaker 7: country is not to maximize profits. The point of the

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Speaker 7: country is to make people, make sure people are able

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Speaker 7: to survive and thrive.

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Speaker 2: In the country.

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Speaker 1: Like I think, bro, let that motherfucker keep talking like that.

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Speaker 1: Let the people that have supported him realized what the

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Speaker 1: fuck he really is. She gonna get real dangerous around

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Speaker 1: this motherfucker.

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Speaker 11: Shareholders, Christ, that's crazy to say that ship in this

483
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Speaker 11: after after hundreds of thousands of people are coming out

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Speaker 11: to me, like, my healthcare has fucked my family up

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Speaker 11: for life.

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Speaker 7: My healthcare didn't give my mama a wheelchair when she

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Speaker 7: had her legs amputated. Care didn't get give my mom

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Speaker 7: medicine when she hit Like, after hundreds of thousands of

489
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Speaker 7: people are saying, you're gonna go it's all about the shareholders.

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Speaker 7: Babba don't even who cares? Literally, he's just like, who cares?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you's so insane that that illustrates a line of

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Speaker 5: thinking that applies to his ilk and his side and

493
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Speaker 5: the people that side with him on a lot of things,

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Speaker 5: where there's an understanding that yes, some of us, some

495
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Speaker 5: of the folks who are riding with us, are going

496
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Speaker 5: to have to get shitted on for us to get

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Speaker 5: these these these policies and stuff and such implemented that

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Speaker 5: we're all for. And people sign up for that right

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Speaker 5: because they think it won't be them. But the thing

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Speaker 5: about healthcare is that that shit it does not discriminate

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Speaker 5: at all.

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Speaker 3: It fucks over everybody.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't give a fuck if you're white, It doesn't

504
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Speaker 5: give a fuck you know what class you're from. If

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Speaker 5: they can find a loophole of technicality said the now

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Speaker 5: you coverage, they will regardless. And I think that's why

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Speaker 5: he got such backlast year because everyone was like, wait

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Speaker 5: a minute, healthcare fucks everybody over everyone. If you have

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Speaker 5: an ailment and you you know, you know, go and

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Speaker 5: provide your health care information, you're always concerned if this

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Speaker 5: is the roll of the dice, Am I going to

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Speaker 5: be covered here. That applies to everyone, bro, And I

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Speaker 5: think that's what he didn't realize there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, no more.

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Speaker 1: There was a story of women shared about her having

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Speaker 1: an issue getting it cleared by her health care company.

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Speaker 1: After the procedure was done, they decided no and tried

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Speaker 1: to charge her. Luckily, the doctor was like, they do

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Speaker 1: this ship all the time. We have lawyers for this.

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Speaker 1: You'll be fine, don't trip. But like, this is how

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Speaker 1: ruthless these motherfuckers are.

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Speaker 2: You don't know one person that does not have a

523
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Speaker 2: bad story about it, that has that's you could not

524
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Speaker 2: everybody has a bad experience, and you know what I

525
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Speaker 2: mean with this ship, and this is a place where

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Speaker 2: we should not have at least we should have to

527
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Speaker 2: deal with this type of ship period.

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Speaker 1: But this is the one place where, like we truly

529
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Speaker 1: should not have to deal with this shit. And I

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Speaker 1: think everybody's on that side, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And he has no fucking idea when he's talking about

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Speaker 1: like being a capitalist when it comes to health care,

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Speaker 1: how they have to you know, think about you know,

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Speaker 1: shareholders and the you know, responsibility of making money when

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Speaker 1: it comes to health care. How insane that sounds to

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Speaker 1: normal humans, you know who I have to deal with

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Speaker 1: this system in a particular way.

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Speaker 3: Unreal, bro. But yeah, let them keep speaking like this.

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Speaker 1: Let them keep speaking like this, Let them keep showing

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Speaker 1: who the fuck they really are to people that supported

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Speaker 1: all right, that's wild. That is such a wild statement.

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Speaker 2: was the NFL, ESPN and the Simpsons came together on

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Speaker 2: Shout out to longtime front of the pod Mina Chimes.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in America liked their job more

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Speaker 2: like is a part of Simpsons nerd culture is making

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Speaker 2: But I thought they did a great job on this,

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Speaker 2: and we got to see the Cowboys embarrassed in yet

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Speaker 2: another universe. Tyler, how much did you like the Simpsons

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Speaker 5: I love the Simpsons broadcast. That shit was cute as

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Speaker 5: It made me realize how much I love the Simpsons.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm someone who I haven't watch I haven't appointment

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Speaker 3: But it's a show that was there through my childhood.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: We were from the era where you got like two

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Speaker 5: and yeah, it just reminded me of how much of

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: That was kind of my big takeaway from there.

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Speaker 2: I think, like what's been special for me is my

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Speaker 2: kids found it's my favorite show ever by far. We

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Speaker 2: I was buying the DVDs. Bro I got the first

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Speaker 2: I that would we would communicate at eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: that was Conan references. That was like the entire language

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Speaker 2: that we spoke. We would at six and six thirty

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Speaker 2: for the reruns, like Tyler said, the syndicated ones, we

659
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: would sit there and like see who could name which

660
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: episode It was the fastest, you know what I mean,

661
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: like how many seconds are you into the episode before

662
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: you're like, it's this episode. And what's been cool for

663
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: me is our kids found the show on their own.

664
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: They just found it out Disney Plus, Like we weren't

665
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: trying to like push it on them at all, but

666
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: they started watching it like three or four years ago.

667
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: For the Treehouse of Horrors because Disney just put all

668
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: that shit up front for Halloween, you know what I mean,

669
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: And they just they got obsessed with this. So the

670
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: kids have seen everything. We've been watching the new episodes

671
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: cause the kids, which are much better than I would

672
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: have thought they would be, to be honest with you,

673
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: they've done a good job of like bringing the show

674
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: forward into like modern culture. There's a John and I

675
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, the bittersweet pain of your

676
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: kids getting older. The best thing ever made about that

677
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: feeling was the Simpsons episode last year that, like every

678
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: person that I've sent it to it was like, oh yeah,

679
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: I cried like a bitch the last ten.

680
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: Minutes that sent me that.

681
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, it kills they age. They don't age, do they?

682
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: They have fast forward episodes.

683
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okayah, which those are the kids' favorite episodes.

684
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: Also when they when they show the when they show

685
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: everyone older. But there was an episode last year when

686
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Vinnie was in fifth grade that was about Bart being

687
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: about to graduate elementary school that was like, it's pretty good.

688
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

689
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

690
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about Marge having a nervous breakdown about her

691
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: kids growing up. But anyway, So what was cool to

692
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: me was I got to see my family was the

693
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 2: target demographic for this, because Vinnie and I both loved football.

694
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: Charl likes football. Our daughter does not like watching sports

695
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: on television, does not like it for ten seconds. And

696
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: she was so locked in on the Simpsons broadcast last

697
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: night that when I had to leave, she was texting

698
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: me Ralph scored a touchdown, Milhouse fumbled the ball, Like, how.

699
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: Big of how big of a Lisa fan is? She

700
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: strikes me as a Lisa.

701
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: She loves Lisa for sure.

702
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: She was cooking too, she got she had two touchdowns. Yeah,

703
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: Lisa was cooking.

704
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: Dog Maya likes she likes the weirdest ship on the

705
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: Simpsons like she so she'll like any was anything time

706
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: they do something super weird.

707
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: She likes that.

708
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: But she likes Lisa for sure. Then they both are

709
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: huge part fans. What's weird the other thing too? As

710
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: you get older, and I think you know, when we

711
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: were older as kids, you start liking Homer more and more.

712
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: But when you watch the show now, you feel like

713
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: it's a show about Homer and Marge. Well you're a kid,

714
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: you felt like the show is about the kids, you

715
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, and it sort of holds

716
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: up on both ends of that.

717
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: But wonder yours is like that.

718
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Exactly.

719
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: So if you if you got Shorty's bluey Bloe feels

720
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: that way too.

721
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: Blue is very much for everyone who's watching it.

722
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

723
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: For sure, it's a blue episode about your kids growing

724
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: up from two to three two.

725
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it, bro, Bro, Like

726
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: every morning I'm like hearing I'm like Coma's Somy's hair. Yeah,

727
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and like like fighting tears,

728
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like what the fuck is

729
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: this show trying to do to me? Bro? It's it's

730
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: seven forty fucking five, bro, you know what I mean.

731
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be like this.

732
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 3: Like Race Show. Race Show such a great show.

733
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: You've seen every you see the one where they age

734
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: them forward.

735
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen every episode. You see the one about

736
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: the sister, the.

737
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: Camping trip where they age forward.

738
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh that with the kid, yeah, when they oh my god,

739
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: the one with the sister when the sister came to

740
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: visit hadn't been.

741
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: In a while, like like that, who didn't have kids?

742
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

743
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: It's just such a beautifully done show like it and

744
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: like it'll show like I love how it shows like

745
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: the Mom, you know what I mean, Like like first

746
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: of all, the show's a dad in the way we

747
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: don't see dads, you know what I mean. But like

748
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: we've never like nobody gives spaces for mom the space

749
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: for moms to be human. You've never seen something where

750
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a mom is human, like they're perfec perfect, perfect perfect.

751
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: It puts a lot of pressure on moms, but like

752
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: it shows like the Mom is like Okay, I need

753
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, like you know what I mean, Like I

754
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: got it, and that's so human and.

755
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: Rather feels like scene, you know what I mean. Like

756
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: I just I just love that.

757
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: I just I love that they're doing that type of

758
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: shit because I never have seen a show where like

759
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: the mom had space to just be you know what

760
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, normal, you know, show for kids at least.

761
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: You know, I think a similarity between Blue and The

762
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: Simpsons is there shows that it can make you feel

763
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: seen without making you feel like you're watching educational television.

764
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's actually organic, natural, real. Yeah,

765
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: it's not good characters, Yeah, it's not forced, you know

766
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we're gonna do this for the

767
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: moms today. We're gonna show how dad shit, Yeah, this.

768
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Is it's important that moms have time for themselves.

769
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah it is important. But like

770
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 6: show you know you.

771
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 2: Feel me so yeah yeah yeah show we did. Ah

772
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: it was a bluey Uh, real life experience in l

773
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: last year was a good kids It was cool. Bro,

774
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: the kids, the kids, the kids.

775
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 6: The kids like Blue.

776
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh, our kids are obsessed with Blue. That's how we

777
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: started watching it.

778
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, okay.

779
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: If it's on Disney Plus, I feel like my kids

780
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: have at least tried it and decided what you're think.

781
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Now we've seen We watch every episode of Blue together. Uh.

782
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: Great show. I think that's the best show. Honestly, I'm

783
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: dead serious. I think that's the best show that's been

784
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: on television in the last like ten years.

785
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: Agree. Agree.

786
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: If you think about the quality of writing and storytelling

787
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: happening in like the seven minute span, it's really it's

788
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: a different art form than what we have in America.

789
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: They're not trying to get you to watch fifteen hours

790
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: in a row. But it's beautiful and it's it's concise

791
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: as ship.

792
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: We need a blue plane us. Every time to say

793
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: what we need a blue NFL game, I might tap in.

794
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Then fuck it with Tony Geez. Bring the whole family along, nigga.

795
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 3: We all love Blue.

796
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 6: Man.

797
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: It's crazy you like sometimes she wants to watch guess

798
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: how much I love you. It's like, uh, you know,

799
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: uh brown, I don't know brown hair or something anyway,

800
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: but but like he would rather be like, do you

801
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: want to watch You don't want to watch Blue.

802
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: Because we would have watched Bloey.

803
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: We don't want to watch.

804
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: Most of us good.

805
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Right cut Pepper pig Off, which the dream one couple

806
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Pepper pig over with. Plus that show is trash. It's

807
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: just straight sugar, you know what I say. It's like

808
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: feet of your kids skittles, you know, a mouse clubhouse.

809
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: I watched with Fucking Vinnie Bro or Chucking. Hey, only

810
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: parents my exact age watched Chucking two with their kids.

811
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: Bro.

812
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: It was a fucking It was a combination between Thomas

813
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: the tank engine and Paw Patrol. That's what Chucking was.

814
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: It was this is the train that puts out the fires,

815
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: like this is a fast train.

816
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: That ship. Bro, You earned Bluey, you earn bluid. You

817
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean. We're old as fun though old

818
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: as fun.

819
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: Bro. All right, Jimmy Butler a trade. I have not

820
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: been on my phone yet, but Jackson texted me that

821
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: this occurred. Is this true?

822
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything. This is true.

823
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 7: Jimmy Butler and his agent have officially said that they

824
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 7: are open to a trade, and they prefer, you know,

825
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 7: a title contending team.

826
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: What happened to him? A hero? Thought they was buddies

827
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: man and he just had.

828
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: That good culture. They just sucked to that. But he's

829
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: the guy. So if they sucked to that, is that

830
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: not like he doesn't have some responsibility for that. He does.

831
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 7: But the immediate teams that people are are sort of

832
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 7: connecting him to are the Golden State Warriors, who have

833
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 7: been long interested in Jimmy Butler. Yeah, some people are

834
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 7: talking about the Los Angeles Lakers. Not sure what the

835
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 7: Los Angeles Lakers have to give, but it's interesting, and

836
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 7: I think I think people are also just generally thinking

837
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 7: Western Conference teams assuming that at Riley won't want to

838
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 7: trade Jimmy.

839
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: To why just because the entire fucking conference is over

840
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: five hundred.

841
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 7: Pretty much and that Pat Riley is a pretty prideful

842
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 7: guy and won't want to trade me.

843
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: But I can see I mean, I can see Pat

844
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: not wanting to trade him to guy. I can see

845
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: him trade him to the fucking Pelicans or something, you

846
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, I don't I don't really

847
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: see Pat being like, oh, you want to burn my

848
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: franchise now, like, let me make sure you get to

849
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: your preferred destination, Champ.

850
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

852
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: I probably see a fu you to trade, you know

853
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: what I mean?

854
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you want to go to Utah, New Orleans?

855
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 2: You know?

856
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: Uh?

857
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 6: What do you so?

858
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: This is here? Here's something I was thinking about when

859
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: Jackson texted me this. The two players that I have

860
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: the least idea what their legacy will be or what

861
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: we'll think about them ten or fifteen years from now.

862
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: Is Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard like two players who

863
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: will be able to say, if you were there and

864
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: you were really paying attention, you saw how good they were.

865
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know how Jimmy Butler is going to

866
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: be like remembered by basketball, you know what I mean?

867
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: What do you think Tyler? First of all, what do

868
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: you think about him asking for a trade and and

869
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: where do you is he a demand to trade to

870
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: a title contender guy at this point, bro, Like, I

871
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just sort of confused by the timing

872
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: and the request. I guess I just don't really get it.

873
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 5: I mean, uh, the team seat on this list where Dallas,

874
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: Golden State in Houston. I believe he's a Texas scott

875
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 5: from Yeah.

876
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: He wants to go to a top five, in the

877
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: top five in the West.

878
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Houston.

879
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: You know, I think probably Miami will play hardball there

880
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: and really want them to give up. I mean they

881
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 5: probably asked for Saint June on the table off top.

882
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.

883
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

884
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: I think I mean, god, I don't want him to

885
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: go to Golden State. I think that he would fit

886
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 5: perfectly there, which was just there. But yeah, I just

887
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think his time in what the

888
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: heat has probably reached reached this end. I think both

889
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: all parties are probably a little sick with with each

890
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 5: other there, Like we saw, you know, it got to

891
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 5: the point where we were seeing public blowouts last season,

892
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 5: you know, with with with him and and and Spoe

893
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: and and all that ship.

894
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: So I don't know, bro, I I don't.

895
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 5: I don't know if if, if pat Riley would really

896
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 5: just like send this dude to purgatory or some ship though,

897
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 5: But I think that.

898
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think I think he would.

899
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: Probably I see Jimmy Butler getting with his wish and

900
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: going to one of the teams of his destination you know,

901
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: on on his destination list.

902
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: He gave that franchise everything he could, you know what

903
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like he fought hard at fuck for that

904
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: the finals twice, you know what I mean, As the

905
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: head guy, I don't and I don't even think. I

906
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: think Jimmy Butler, I don't know if he's a guy

907
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: on a championship team, you know what I mean. I

908
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: don't think he's the number one.

909
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's you think this comes from

910
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: an acceptance of that, then it's like let me go.

911
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: And I think I definitely think he's accepting that, especially

912
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: with the teams like heople want to go to the Warriors, Warriors, Mavericks, Rockets,

913
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: but Warriors and Mavericks for sure, Like he's not the man,

914
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he knows that, you know, So,

915
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: like I think he understands that any wants them with

916
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: a chip.

917
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: He's been there twice.

918
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: He didn't have the fire powery he did the best

919
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: he could just getting there, you feel me, So I

920
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: understand how he feels. So I mean, like, yes, you know,

921
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: things have been more you know, heated at you know,

922
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: than the no pun intended, you know what I'm saying,

923
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: and then you know that's nasty.

924
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: Then then you know then that they would have liked.

925
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's because I think it's just

926
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: justified this point. Yeah, he's done, They've done everything they

927
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: could together.

928
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: It's time to move on.

929
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 7: He's also thirty five years old and pat Riley apparently

930
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: does not want to pay him anymore, understandably five.

931
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: But that's what I just felt like he was at

932
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 2: a point where it was like he's a heat for life,

933
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Like I just felt, you know, I just felt like

934
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: he was. I don't know. That's why it surprises me,

935
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: Like it feels like it's a little late in the

936
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: game to me to try and like be muscling shit around,

937
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: especially with.

938
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 7: The way Yeah, I think Sad is saying, and I

939
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 7: think a lot of people are saying that this felt

940
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 7: like a move they should have.

941
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 10: This felt that should have happened last year, yeah at

942
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 10: the latest, yeah, or the year before that they made

943
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 10: the finals. But but last but last year it felt

944
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 10: I'm just saying, if he was.

945
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: Going to decide that his place in the NBA was

946
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: going to an existing title contender, that feels like a

947
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: realization he should have had last year at the latest,

948
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: I guess, is what I mean.

949
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: It's kind of like they went to the.

950
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Finals right, the year before that, right, and then last

951
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: year like the man in the middle of the season

952
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: after you just went to the finals.

953
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: It is kind of odd.

954
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I don't think it's I don't think

955
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: he made a mistake in deciding. When I think the decision,

956
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I think, like it's just bad just timing. Yeah, it's

957
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: just the timing. It just be like that sometimes, you

958
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it would be really weird

959
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: for him to do that, you know, after going to

960
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: the finals, you know what I mean.

961
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true.

962
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 7: All right, Okay, My one question before we move on

963
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 7: is if Jimmy Butler goes for the Warriors or the Mavericks,

964
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 7: not that we know exactly what would be going back

965
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 7: in return of that trade?

966
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 10: But what does that do to Does that make the

967
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 10: Warriors like actual contender?

968
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 7: I feel like a lot of people, everyone's worth of agree,

969
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 7: they're like not really right now?

970
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 10: And the Mavericks made the finals last year? Does that

971
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 10: make them like the favorites in the West?

972
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 7: And probably not with the thunder, but like, what what

973
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 7: without knowing the compensation, how does that move that?

974
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: It obviously makes both teams better, but I don't think

975
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 5: it makes them, you know, locks to to go to

976
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: the finals.

977
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: The West is tough, man.

978
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 5: I do think that if he does go to the Warrior,

979
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to give up Kaminga and and I

980
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: think the Warriors would be fine with that. I think

981
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 5: they've they've given up on that whole, you know, two

982
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 5: path ship of trying to win now and prepare for

983
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 5: the future after that whole Jordan Poole incident blew up

984
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 5: in their face.

985
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: I think they, Yeah, that only that only works when

986
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: you're scripting the TV show. That does not work.

987
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that dude track ship does not work.

988
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 5: Now you've got a guy Steph who is an all

989
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 5: time great and still have some gas and the TA

990
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: get that man some help asap. So I do think Butler,

991
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: Draymond and and Steph that's I think that's tough. I

992
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 5: don't think it's good enough to win the West though,

993
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: Wis he's.

994
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: Been playing good though, he's been solid's been playing solid too.

995
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: He's been solid too. I mean, they might give him

996
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: up in the trade, if you know, if you know,

997
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: but well, I don't know. He's been playing, I don't know,

998
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: making pretty good.

999
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: I think I think I think he's a I like

1000
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe because I'm biased, but and uh, I think Dallas

1001
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: would be scarier to me.

1002
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah, absolutely. Okay, we sat on Sunday.

1003
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: We were gonna talk about the jay Z allegations and

1004
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: response today instead of Sunday because I think stuff was

1005
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: kind of just coming out and we were just starting

1006
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: to get our head around it. But what are your guys'

1007
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: thoughts about what's out so far? I know, Tyler, you

1008
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: mentioned on Sunday and we were talking off air about

1009
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: first of all, kind of an insane statement that he

1010
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: put out, and I would add on to what you said,

1011
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy that he put it out from Rockefeller,

1012
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: not from himself, which is its own interesting decision, I guess,

1013
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: But what are your what are your thoughts?

1014
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 5: I've been staying away from the discourse from this online

1015
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: because with ship like this, whenever it involves a celebrity

1016
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 5: or or a musical artist, especially when it's revered as

1017
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: jay Z, you know, a guy who's a lot of

1018
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 5: people's goats and whatnot and shit.

1019
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: I mean, like we've discussed this before.

1020
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 5: If all things considered, he would probably get my vote

1021
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 5: for the rap goat, right, Like, I'm a fan of

1022
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 5: his music. But with that said, Bro, I'm not hopping

1023
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: out there and defending anyone on those shit like this,

1024
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 5: especially a celebrity who I don't fucking know, right, right,

1025
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 5: these are some serious allegations.

1026
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: That statement that he put out. I completely understand wanting to.

1027
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: Adamantly fight these accusations if you're not guilty, right, I

1028
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 5: completely understand that being accused of what he's being accused of.

1029
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 5: Not too much in the world you can be accused of.

1030
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 5: I get that, period, But that statement did not run

1031
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: me the right way, bro. Like I said, if you're

1032
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 5: gonna get out here and deny that, I don't have

1033
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 5: a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to do process of.

1034
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: Law and what have you. But for him to there

1035
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: was just so many plays.

1036
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 5: Being ran out of the victim blaming playbooking and that

1037
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 5: statement for me, the whole this does a disservice to

1038
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 5: the real victims. And why didn't you take this to

1039
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: criminal court and why are you coming forward now? And

1040
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 5: why are you hiding behind anonymity rights. It's just that

1041
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 5: that is the victim blaming shit that we hear so

1042
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 5: often with this and I thought that jay Z and

1043
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: rock Nation will be way more professional than that, right,

1044
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: And like I said, I completely understand emotions might be

1045
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 5: running hot because this is some vile shit to be

1046
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 5: accused of, but I was not rocking with that statement

1047
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: at all. But basically, yeah, bro, I mean that's where

1048
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 5: I'm at, Like, you know, to echo a point that

1049
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: we made about the Andrew Schultz shit, Like some shit

1050
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 5: is bigger than rap. I'm not going to blindly go

1051
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 5: to bat for anyone. It's just because I like the music,

1052
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 5: just because I'm a fan of them as rappers. You know,

1053
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 5: this is some really viole shit he's being accused of,

1054
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 5: and we'll see how it plays out. I'm and like

1055
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 5: I said, I'm not. I would never ever defend somebody,

1056
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 5: especially a celebrity, blindly just because I'm a fan of

1057
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 5: their music.

1058
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: Never.

1059
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because generally when these accusers are it's very seldom's

1060
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: accused come out of it and it's fake, you know

1061
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, regardless of who it is, it

1062
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: takes a lot of you know, you gotta be very

1063
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: brave in order to do some shit like that coming

1064
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: upcause somebody like jay Z. It's hard for me to

1065
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: believe that this person would do this and be lying

1066
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: understanding the lawyers that jay Z has and all that

1067
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: type of shit. Jay Z is my favorite rap waters

1068
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: of all time, and this motherfucker did this shit.

1069
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 3: Put his ass under the jail.

1070
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Bro.

1071
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: I know it's a civil case, you know what I'm saying,

1072
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: It's not criminal, But I believe one thing he said, Yo,

1073
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: make this motherfucker criminal?

1074
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: You feel me Like I agree with that part. But yeah, man,

1075
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: I just I'm not Yes, I'm anna.

1076
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, There's there's no way I can read what he's

1077
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: accused of and rush to you know, and not think

1078
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: of the thirteen.

1079
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Year old that was affected by this ship.

1080
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, and think of my

1081
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: like I have no loyalty, loyalty to people that I

1082
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know.

1083
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You fuck you mean, you know,

1084
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: that's just it's nasty.

1085
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1086
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: We'll we'll see. But I'm not. I'm not jumping out

1087
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: to defend anybody, to defend him in any way. That's crazy.

1088
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 10: And there are some people in the chat and people online,

1089
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 10: just a couple, and I'm not.

1090
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 7: I'm not taking chat were asking questions like why does

1091
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 7: she get to be anonymous?

1092
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 10: Why is she coming out now twenty years later?

1093
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 7: Like I understand like the thought behind a question like that,

1094
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 7: but the reality is that you don't get to blame

1095
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 7: the victim in that way, and you don't get that

1096
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 7: you have no idea what that person is going through.

1097
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 7: And when it's when they're excusing a famous person, specifically,

1098
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 7: if that person's name is public, their life is ruined

1099
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: because but there are thousands of people who just get

1100
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 7: to viotally attack them all over the Internet and stock

1101
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 7: and all this shit. You don't get to tell them

1102
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 7: how to handle the situation.

1103
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, the truth is though, that people do get to

1104
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: tell them that, which is why you are granted the anonymity,

1105
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: right right, right, that's what I mean the in the

1106
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: in the court of law, because this is something that

1107
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: gets turned into I mean, you know, to point the lenses,

1108
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: but it gets turned into a topic on podcast, it

1109
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: gets turned into something that people are talking about. It

1110
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: gets turned into women in false accusations should go to jail, like,

1111
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: it gets turned into all this stuff and that that's

1112
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: that's why. And so there's a million different reasons why, uh,

1113
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: someone could have waited a certain amount of time to

1114
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: come forward. And some of those reasons include the potential

1115
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: that it is a false accusation like that.

1116
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, like, but if you if you

1117
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: actually went through that ship at thirteen, why it's nobody

1118
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: else's business to know who the fuck went through that ship, right,

1119
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Like why do you think that you should have access

1120
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: to somebody you know who?

1121
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: Like let's like why why ask that question? I want

1122
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: to be like, why do you want to know who

1123
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: that person is?

1124
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: That person should have the right to be anonymous and

1125
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: to still get justice, you feel me, Like, let's think

1126
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: about the if this person is a victim, which is

1127
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: what we think, it's the potential, like victims should have

1128
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: the right to remain anonymous. I don't understand why you

1129
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: think you should have access to somebody's personal experience.

1130
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: It's already hard enough that they went through this ship,

1131
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1132
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: But I think and I'm not I don't mean this

1133
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: to be u critical of anyone asking the question. I

1134
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: think I actually think it's like a good thing to discuss.

1135
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: Why why I'm not making that No, no, no, I

1136
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: think it's good to discuss that. But I think that

1137
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: the truth is And again, I don't mean this to

1138
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: be critical of people asking the question.

1139
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: This is.

1140
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: This has been like so few to what Tyler says,

1141
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: so few people who make these accusations are proven to

1142
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: be making false accusations. It is over represented that the

1143
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: people who are making false accusations are making them against

1144
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: people who are wealthy. So like that, and that's that

1145
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: is like true, It is true, and it was very

1146
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: uncomfortable when for a lot of people when this stuff

1147
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: started coming out.

1148
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: It's true.

1149
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: If you know people who've gone from being seventeen year

1150
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: olds to professional athletes overnight, they're told by like player

1151
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: rep union reps to take condoms and personally flush them

1152
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: down the toilet to like in some cases get consent

1153
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: form signed ahead of saying like it is a it

1154
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: is something they are thinking about whether it is fair

1155
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: or whatever in either direction like so. But because of that,

1156
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: I think it's been turned into a topic about this

1157
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: very small group of people that's discussed across all of

1158
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: America in a completely different way than it should be

1159
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: because ninety nine point nine percent of the time someone's

1160
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: making a report about a sexual assault, it's an accurate report.

1161
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: But there's this desire, I think, out of a hurt

1162
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 2: male ego thing, to focus on one point one percent

1163
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: and pretend this is like a gender war or something.

1164
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: And I'll give you a personal example from Long Beach.

1165
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 2: We had a kid, Brian Banks. This was a really

1166
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: famous case who was accused of rape while he was

1167
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: a senior on the football team at Polly. He was

1168
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: later cleared through the Innocence Project of the girl who

1169
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: had accused him. That was a sexual a consensual sexual

1170
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: encounter they had on campus that she had because her

1171
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: dad found out she'd had sex, said that he had

1172
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: assaulted her, and she'd said that because she was afraid

1173
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: of her father. And then once she told the father,

1174
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: the parents realized they could make some money out, so

1175
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: she was recorded saying that it was consensual and he

1176
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 2: was freed. But what I'll tell you is this, Brian

1177
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: Banks declined to become a part of the man of sphere,

1178
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: Like there was lucrative options available for him to be

1179
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: a women are trying to take advantage of you media figure,

1180
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: and he was disgusted by what was being offered to him.

1181
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: And like, that's someone who lost years of his life

1182
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: to one of the very rare instances of a true

1183
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: like false accusation. Still saying no, no, no, this is

1184
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: a real problem. I don't want to make life worse

1185
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: for women in this country just because of this bad

1186
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: situation that I was in. But it's so I'm with y'all,

1187
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: Like I think you always have to think victim first,

1188
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, obviously, But to a lot of people

1189
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: who you know, don't have the mature perspective, John and

1190
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: Tyler are describing about famous people that don't know it's like, oh,

1191
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: this is an artist who means a lot to me,

1192
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: and that clouds their vision of humanity in my opinion,

1193
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: Like I think that's what I'll.

1194
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: Be honest, It bothers me, like you know, like it's

1195
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: like I would hope that jay Z wouldn't do something.

1196
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: I grew up watching jay Z, you know what I mean, Like,

1197
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: you know, at a point he was aspirational until I

1198
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: just realized he's just like greedy, you know what I mean.

1199
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: But like, I just you know, when something like this happens,

1200
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't.

1201
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: I just I just don't.

1202
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: I don't see how you don't focus on a thirteen

1203
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: year old.

1204
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: It's also like people are.

1205
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 7: Some people are saying that jay Z's name is public,

1206
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 7: so she is an adult, her name should be a

1207
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 7: public too. And it's not her fault that jay Z

1208
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 7: is a celebrity. It is not her fault that she

1209
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 7: that just happened to her. It's not her responsibility to

1210
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 7: look out for jay Z's reputation, right Like, it's not

1211
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 7: her responsibility. So whether you think that she should or

1212
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 7: should not make her name public, she does not own

1213
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 7: a single iota of responsibility.

1214
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: And what would the what would her name being? And

1215
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: that's again where I was like, that was why I

1216
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 2: gave that rambling explanation from my perspective on white people

1217
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: ask that because like what would that change exactly?

1218
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: Like like what like like only gives people access to

1219
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: her in ways that she probably wouldn't want them to.

1220
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: But it's just you know, an issue of like that

1221
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: people could identify with jay Z and say if I

1222
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: was famous and someone was anonymous, this is how I feel.

1223
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: But you're we're not famous famous.

1224
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 7: And like I said, frankly, it's a personal safety issue.

1225
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 7: If her name is out, she becomes personally unsafe. Jay

1226
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 7: Z is rich enough, he is not. Jay Z is fine,

1227
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 7: is fine.

1228
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: But from the perspective of like you're a jay Z

1229
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: fan and so you're going like, you know, well, why

1230
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: is his name public and hers isn't, Like again, like

1231
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: what what more information would you gain about these accusations

1232
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: by knowing the person's name, Like how would that give

1233
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: you more information to form an opinion with? You know?

1234
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like, we're not saying he's guilty,

1235
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, We're not. I've seen a

1236
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: bunch of shit, you know, from the lawyer, from the

1237
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: lawyer that made accusations that like people from the city

1238
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: where he's from have said he's just he's shitty. But

1239
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, ninety nine point nineers at a time,

1240
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: like you said, the victim is not These aren't false allegations,

1241
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I have no reason to

1242
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: start off with not believing, right, you know what I'm

1243
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: saying based upon actual fact.

1244
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean actual you know.

1245
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 5: On the other hand, this is the same lawyer who

1246
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 5: represented all the plaineffs against Deshaun Watson, and we all

1247
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 5: know he was DeShawn was guilty as fuck. He's a mon,

1248
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 5: but he admitted it with the settlements and the payoffs

1249
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 5: and having fucking forty massage appointments a month, which is

1250
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 5: not fucking normal. So I don't know, you got to

1251
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: take that shit with a grain of salt.

1252
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: Bro.

1253
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: Look, and this is where this stuff gets turned into

1254
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: a topic like it's It is the case that in

1255
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: this country the way that wrongs are rectified is financially

1256
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: and so that does feel the way that it feels

1257
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: when like you read those things like someone's being accused

1258
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: of something and the person wants money for it, Like

1259
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: that feels different than I want to beat the shit

1260
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 2: out of the gat Like it feels different because money

1261
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: is involved. Lawyers make money. There are lawyers who are

1262
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: bad people. There's lawyers who are bad people who are

1263
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: doing great work. There's lawyers who are horrible people like

1264
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: who are good people doing horrible work? Like that is

1265
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: the American criminal justice system for good and ill. Like

1266
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: that just is what it is. But that doesn't change

1267
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: any of the actual facts around the human beings evolved,

1268
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: which is where again I'm not saying this is how

1269
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: everyone else should feel. My personal stance on this, since

1270
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: we now live in an era where everything is offered

1271
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: up for opinion, is when an accusation is made against anyone,

1272
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: unless it is literally made against my wife and children,

1273
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: it's made against anyone. I believe the victim. If it

1274
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: is then proven that the victim is not being honest,

1275
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: then I incorporate the new information and I don't believe

1276
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: the victim. But that's the way I operate, based not

1277
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: on like what someone told me to think, but based

1278
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: on what I have observed in the world and the

1279
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: women that I have known who have not come forward

1280
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: about things or whatever else. Like, that's what my observations

1281
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: of the world have led me to use as a

1282
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: personal guiding force. I'm also a jay Z fan. I

1283
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck. What does that have to do

1284
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: with anything, period? Then you're a fantasy one like I.

1285
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: Want you to if you have women in your life,

1286
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: I want you to really talk to women about their experiences,

1287
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: truly talk to the women in your life about their

1288
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: experiences and shit that they haven't had, like.

1289
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 3: Weren't comfortable coming forward with with regular motherfuckers. You know

1290
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's truly sickening shit.

1291
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: The young women have to deal within this woman period,

1292
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: have to deal within this fucking country or just world period.

1293
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 3: But I've heard some ship that.

1294
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: Is heartbreaking from women that deserved so much fucking better

1295
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: but felt like nobody was there to help them or

1296
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: we'll believe them, you know what I mean? And so

1297
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: like gee, like we I mean, we have no loyalty

1298
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: to this motherfucker. We don't owe him shit. He don't

1299
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: give a fuck about us. If this shit is true,

1300
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: we have you know, It's like like dog, it's just like, bro,

1301
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: you see some shit like that and want to side

1302
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: with who the billionaire not the thirteen year old. It's

1303
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: just really hard for me to fathom that if you

1304
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: actually have real conversations with women understanding their experience in

1305
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: this world, you know what I mean.

1306
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: I mean, it's truly sickening.

1307
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, I brought to Brian Banksinger, bro.

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Speaker 2: Like that started a lot of really real conversations with

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Speaker 2: friends of mine and between different people in Long Beach

1310
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: around like, and it was a conversation that I was

1311
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: there for between two of my friends where one of

1312
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: them said, man, every woman I know has some sort

1313
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: of a story. Though that's a real story. This girl

1314
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: probably has a story, you know too. And our other

1315
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: friends said, I never heard any of those stories. And

1316
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: my friend said, that's because of women in your life.

1317
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: Don't trust you then if you've never heard those stories,

1318
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: and he said, and they really it got like ugly

1319
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: because he's like, you're talking about my mom. He's like,

1320
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: I am talking about your mom. Like, if you have

1321
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: not ever heard these stories from the women in your life,

1322
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: then they are not trusting you with those stories. Bro.

1323
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro, it is nasty as fucking This

1324
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: is not no whatever the weird shit y'all believe when

1325
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: men take up for women. I'm not no, this is

1326
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: my true experience. You know what I'm saying that it's

1327
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: just dog, it's bro talk to if you have not

1328
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: talked to the women in your life, for real, bro, like,

1329
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: you have no reason to believe this fucking billionaire and

1330
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: there's I'm not gonna go to there, but yeah, there's

1331
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: been shit said in songs that.

1332
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 3: Would make you think of a particular way too.

1333
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 5: But anyway, all right, I mean, let's take it if

1334
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 5: the jay Z defenders want to do this whole you know,

1335
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 5: you know, trying to assassinate character here, Let's take a

1336
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 5: look at jay Z's history. Let's take a look at

1337
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 5: how he was on songs with a sixteen year old

1338
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 5: Foxy Brown. Ain't no nigga talking real crazy sexually. Let's

1339
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 5: take a look at how he you know, hopped out

1340
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 5: there on Beyonce when she was eighteen and he was

1341
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 5: like thirty two thirty three. Go listen to his verse

1342
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 5: on Young Girl on Pharrell's album From In My Mind

1343
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 5: two thousand and six, where he's talking about bagging like

1344
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 5: a twenty year old and he's like thirty five at

1345
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 5: the time. There's some smoking gun shit here, man, If

1346
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 5: y'all really want to go that route, and that's just

1347
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 5: like I.

1348
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: Said, it's weird. Yeah, at best, it's weird, And.

1349
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: I want to reiterate that's y'all are like huge jay

1350
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: Z fans. That's not coming from people that's right, like,

1351
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: but that's I was watching backstage two hours before the

1352
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: ship dropped right the jet.

1353
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I'm a huge fan.

1354
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 1: But my nigga can't ignore you know what I'm saying,

1355
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: can't ignore the reality.

1356
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: That's what he blows out this this conversation.

1357
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: I just want to.

1358
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 7: Just give a lot of love and support to all

1359
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 7: the women in our chat who are doing a lot

1360
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 7: of shit.

1361
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 10: I'm not going to name anyone I don't know who

1362
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 10: wants in the chat versus outside of the chat, who

1363
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 10: are sharing a lot of.

1364
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 7: Personal experiences to try to illustrate the widespread problem of

1365
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 7: the way that women are treated, not just in this country,

1366
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 7: but in the world right And there are so many

1367
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 7: instances of things that happen to them every day that

1368
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 7: they don't get to report, they don't have to report

1369
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 7: that that they don't even like.

1370
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 10: The scope of this problem is so much larger than

1371
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 10: it seems.

1372
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 7: And the women in our chat are being very brave

1373
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 7: and sharing their experiences, and women in the world, everyone

1374
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 7: who shares their experiences are being very brave when they

1375
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 7: share those experiences. So I just want to get show

1376
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 7: love to all the women in our chat specifically, but

1377
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 7: also anyone who has sort of experienced this type of

1378
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 7: problem and either spoken out or not because it's you know, but.

1379
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: An extra I just want to like triple down on

1380
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I know we've heard from a lot

1381
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: of the women who listening to this show that they

1382
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: feel like we're a show that's you know, it's men

1383
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: talking on the show primarily, but that doesn't feel like

1384
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: the other show, a podcast hosted by man, and I

1385
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: know that's something that all of us are really proud about,

1386
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: but like all men are stupid as fuck. Bro. Like

1387
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: I've been with my wife since we were eighteen. She

1388
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: had to slap me up side the head in our

1389
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: like mid twenties when I was talking about I think

1390
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: it was it was The Daily Show where someone did

1391
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: an episode about cat calling and I was like, is

1392
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: that really a thing? And she was like, are you

1393
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: out of your fucking mind?

1394
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 10: Bro?

1395
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: She was like, when I was fourteen walking home from

1396
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: the bus stop, people were yelling this and this and

1397
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: this and this, and I was like, you know, because

1398
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: you know you're with your woman, you don't see that

1399
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen most of the time if you're with

1400
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: a guy or whatever, you know what I mean. But

1401
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: it's it's that like you're this you're aware of some

1402
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: of this stuff. But like you said, even when you're

1403
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: in a relationship with someone, you talk to each other,

1404
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: you trust each other. I don't think we could ever

1405
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: see more than the tip of the iceberg about what

1406
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: they act actually have to go through just by being alive,

1407
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1408
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: When I was in my and this is this is

1409
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: this isn't super graphic, but it's just to show you,

1410
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: like how motherfuckers name. I was in my mid twenties

1411
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: and one of my friends told me that she had

1412
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: a plan if somebody was trying to force her to

1413
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: do something like this is what I'll do, just so

1414
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: it won't be as traumatizing as it could be. Like

1415
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: there are things that women have told me. It's hard

1416
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: to believe.

1417
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: I hate this figure out anyway.

1418
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like, dude, I hope y'all the people

1419
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: are asking these questions and the question her.

1420
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 6: I hope you take time to talk.

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: To the women in your life because I employ you too,

1422
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: because you know, I have a daughter, we have wives.

1423
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: I think we need to support them in ways that

1424
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: we aren't. Yeah, and it's just it's I'm not I'm

1425
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: not like fuck me, you know what I'm saying. I

1426
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: don't want to make this about me because I'm most

1427
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: of what it's like. It's it's truly disgusting. You know

1428
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: what the people that we love are going through when

1429
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: they leave the house and what they have to worry about, right,

1430
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: and we should work to do whatever we can to

1431
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: change that for the women we love in our lives.

1432
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: And one thing at least would be this, when you

1433
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: see these victims sharing themselves, will be to support them.

1434
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: You lose nothing by doing that, and it will mean

1435
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: a ton to the women in your life. You know who?

1436
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: You know who most every most women I've known, everyone

1437
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: I've talked to, has experienced the ship. So I'm just saying,

1438
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: man like.

1439
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: You, you you know it would mean something to the

1440
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: women in your life to not come home from work.

1441
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 2: And you're saying, you know what I heard about this lawyer?

1442
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: You know that?

1443
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Lord Jay's my favorite rapper, Like come on, bro.

1444
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: Like.

1445
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, listen to thank you to the women in our chat.

1446
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: And uh, and you know we say whatever we say.

1447
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: But like I said, that's my perspective. My life is

1448
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: from listening to my wife and my mom and the

1449
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: women in my life. So listen to women in the chat.

1450
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing and trying to help, you know,

1451
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: And like I said, man, I'm I love our listenership.

1452
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: I got a nice message from clear to loone the

1453
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: other day about us having that like being the only

1454
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: male sports show she could ever go on. And that's

1455
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: why she has nice comments. She gets positive feet, you

1456
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1457
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm saying because I know he's this

1458
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: good dude, solid motherfuckers, That's what I'm saying. Like, Yo,

1459
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: go talk to the women in your life please, right

1460
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: because these are type of dudes that seem that they

1461
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: will be able to listen you feel me. Yeah, And

1462
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: so like this is why I don't question it, because

1463
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: it's the true real life experiences I've had with the

1464
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: women in my life and what they've told me. What

1465
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: the ship that would make your stomach turn, bro, Yeah,

1466
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you we have a responsibility man, and whatever

1467
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: it is.

1468
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: And like again, man, like I I think people feel

1469
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: like when this stuff happens, they feel like it's about them.

1470
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 2: It's not about you, Like it's about this what this

1471
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: person went through and the means they're trying to take

1472
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 2: around it. It doesn't mean you're being judged by Jenkins

1473
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: and Jones. If you're listening to jay Z today, it doesn't,

1474
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't. It's like,

1475
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: it's what is happening in your head is different from

1476
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: what's coming out of your mouth to the people in

1477
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: your life. And that's the only point that I think

1478
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: we're trying to make everything else about it is personal.

1479
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: If this is a jay Z album that got you

1480
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: through a dark time in your life, that that's what

1481
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: that album. That doesn't change anything to that album like

1482
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: this just.

1483
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, this is bigger than rap. Tyler said period. Yeah.

1484
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 5: And and you know, to kind of harp on on

1485
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 5: John's point and y'all's point about how you know, it's

1486
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 5: it's real life ramifications to to to people just going

1487
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 5: this hard for celebrities, the women in your lives who

1488
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 5: are on social media who are seeing you go to

1489
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: bat this hard, for rappers who you don't fucking know

1490
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 5: on the side of just trying to discredit, you know,

1491
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 5: these type of accusations.

1492
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: Think about them, bro, think about that.

1493
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 5: You really want to alienate people you know in real life,

1494
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 5: loved ones in real life because you're going hard for

1495
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 5: a rapper who you don't even fucking know.

1496
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 3: It's not worth it. We don't fucking know these people.

1497
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: And I'll just leave it at that, bro.

1498
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 2: Yep Well said, well, uh, somber note to leave the

1499
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 2: pod on. But I know we wanted to talk about

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01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: the passing of Nikki Giovanni, who is one of your

1501
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: guys's favorite poets that John thinks, you say, your favorite poet, Tyler, Yeah,

1502
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: Tyler's favorite poet. Whatever. But yeah, just you know, what, what?

1503
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: Uh?

1504
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: What? What? What have you been thinking about? I have

1505
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: to say I wasn't a familiar with their work. There

1506
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: were two poems of hers I really loved that I

1507
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: saw yesterday. I actually didn't realize we're written by her.

1508
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,919
Speaker 2: But but educate me. Educated people, you know, didn't understand

1509
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: how how powerful of the figure she was.

1510
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nikki Giovanni man a poet, a writer, an activist,

1511
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 5: a professor, just you know, a woman who contained multitudes.

1512
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: She was a giant man.

1513
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 5: You know, as I mentioned, my favorite poet ever, I

1514
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 5: have a very very deep sentimental attachment to it, or

1515
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 5: because she's my favorite poet ever, because she was my

1516
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 5: mom's favorite poet. And you know, I've discussed before about

1517
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 5: how God I hate fucking using this words and white

1518
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: folks centrified it but woke. My upbringing was where I

1519
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 5: had black parents who very much were proactive in me

1520
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 5: learning about black people and black authors and black activism

1521
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 5: and such. And Niko Giovanni got introduced to me at

1522
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 5: a very young age because, as I mentioned, she was

1523
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 5: my mom's favorite poet. And I remember like one summer

1524
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 5: when I was like seven or eight, she my mom,

1525
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 5: when she would go to work, she would give me

1526
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 5: and my brother like reading assignments, and she gave us

1527
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 5: a Nicki Giovanni book and she said, you know, pick

1528
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 5: a poem out of this, and when I come home

1529
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 5: from work, you know, we're going to discuss it.

1530
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna tell me what you think about it. And

1531
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: it was beautiful. Yeah, And I'll never forget.

1532
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 5: The poem that I read was a poem called Nicki Rosa,

1533
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 5: and it was about Nicki Giovanni's upbringing, as you know,

1534
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 5: a poor girl in country Tennessee. And basically, you know,

1535
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 5: the premise of it was, you know, we were poor,

1536
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 5: but life was good. My childhood was amazing. And she

1537
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 5: kind of wrapped it in a bowl where she was

1538
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 5: and she ended it on a note of hope. I

1539
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 5: hope white people never write about my upbringing because they

1540
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 5: wouldn't understand. And that like shaped my worldview in a

1541
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 5: very unique way because you know, you know, like I mentioned,

1542
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 5: my parents were very very very proactive and instilling black

1543
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 5: pride to me. And so to to have you know,

1544
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 5: that poem, which has stuck with me still to this day,

1545
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 5: it's it's she that's when she like became, you know,

1546
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 5: a poet who I was very much enamored with, you know,

1547
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 5: very much. I'm getting a bit emotional here because you know,

1548
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 5: my mom is passed, and there's times, you know, I

1549
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: revisited Nikki's work just to kind of like, you know,

1550
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 5: connect connect with my mom a bit.

1551
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 3: And and she was a giant man.

1552
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 5: And I'm not really like sad because eighty one years

1553
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: bro that that's not a tragedy, that's a triumph.

1554
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: And she accomplished so much.

1555
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 5: And and yeah, I'm I'm and and and something else

1556
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 5: that I always loved about her was she was an

1557
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 5: elder who always went to bad for younger black people,

1558
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 5: which was which was pretty rare. Right if you saw

1559
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 5: my feed earlier, I posted a speech from two thousand

1560
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 5: and seven where she let Bill Cosby ass up. You

1561
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 5: remember when Bill Cobby went on that fuck young black

1562
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 5: men tour your past? Yeah yeah, yeah, and and and

1563
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 5: she went on and she gave a speech where she

1564
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 5: was like, you know, that's some bullshit. You know, our

1565
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 5: kids need love, our kids need affirmation, not fucking off

1566
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 5: his finger wagon. Right, And and that's that was you know,

1567
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 5: for for for me to see that was very rare

1568
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 5: because I have well way more elders in my circle

1569
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 5: who were on Bill Cosby's time than NIKOI you know

1570
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 5: what I mean, Niko Giovanni. She always struck me as

1571
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 5: like the cool aunt, like like like you remember when

1572
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 5: you were a kid at Thanksgiving and you have an

1573
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 5: uncle giving you shit like boy's them paying two damn

1574
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 5: bag and then you had the audio stuck out for you, like.

1575
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 3: You know, he made it crazy to stay out of trouble.

1576
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 6: With you know what I'm saying.

1577
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nikodi, your money always struck me as

1578
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 5: that man, just the cool aunt bro and and she's

1579
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,839
Speaker 5: someone who I I admired her work, I admired her intellect,

1580
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 5: I admired the person she was because she was a

1581
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 5: person who always led with love for the people, you know, know,

1582
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 5: especially for for black folks and younger black folks.

1583
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 3: So I think her like losing her.

1584
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: I was putting my daughter to sleep when when I

1585
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: read the news, I'm not going out and talking to

1586
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: my wife like yo, I just feel like we're losing people.

1587
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: Like it's like that stood on like just morals and

1588
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: morals alone, you know what I mean, that couldn't be bought.

1589
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 3: Who's going to replace these people?

1590
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: Who do we have in power that, like, you know,

1591
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: everybody's standing on I got this amount of money, Like

1592
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: this is the people that people look at, you know

1593
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? And that that you know, that that

1594
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: we look up at as aspired to. We don't have

1595
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: people like her that just stood on love and morals alone,

1596
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: stood on things like true beautiful foundational ship for her

1597
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: to speak like like like Tyler said about her, like

1598
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: I hope white people don't write about my story. They

1599
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't understand, Like what does that mean to a young man?

1600
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that that sees shit on

1601
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: TV that doesn't represent them, like on tell them, We

1602
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: tell them that there's a whiteness represented much of what

1603
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: we saw of culture outside of our own houses, you

1604
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And for her to speak to

1605
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: you in that particular way, like we need that, and

1606
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if we necessarily have that. There's people

1607
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: like I love Taynaha, see you know what I'm saying.

1608
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 1: I think he stands on a particular amount of morals

1609
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: fuck everything else.

1610
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 3: You know, tnc is special like that. There's not many

1611
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 3: people on that level who move in that way.

1612
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, And it's just like I just

1613
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: feel like we're losing people that like we're connected to

1614
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: the roots of who we should be and who we

1615
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: are in particular ways.

1616
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 3: And it's really sad, bro, It's really sad, you know

1617
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like.

1618
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: I would you know, I've read her work obviously, the

1619
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: famous debate or conversation with her and James Baldwin where

1620
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: she's the one person I saw James have to James.

1621
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen them in all different situations talking

1622
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: to all diferent type of people, you know what I'm saying.

1623
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: And She's the one person that like hit him on

1624
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: some shit where he just had to like step back man,

1625
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: you know, called him on, called him out in particular

1626
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: things like you know, his misogyny that he didn't necessarily

1627
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: know that he's that he you know, supported in a

1628
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: particular way.

1629
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 3: So like she was just special. She was and she

1630
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 3: was a.

1631
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: Baby at that time when she spoke with him, Like

1632
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just a brilliant, brilliant woman. And I

1633
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: just I feel like we're losing that and and and

1634
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's really it's really sad for me thinking

1635
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 1: about like you know, like I gotta sit up and

1636
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: watch this ship, you know what I mean. My mom

1637
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: would speak to me about these people, but like who

1638
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: am I gonna share with my children that are gonna

1639
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like who are who are the

1640
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: people to you know, I just it it bothers me,

1641
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: It bothers me. But yeah, I was just it's just

1642
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: this one hit me in a particular way. Like I

1643
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: was texting the homies about the ship. It didn't me

1644
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: in a particular way. But yeah, man, like like Color said,

1645
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: she was a giant, special, special, brilliant woman. She did

1646
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: everything she could whut here spoke to the importance of it,

1647
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying as well, and.

1648
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: Definitely be missed for sure.

1649
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: All Right, on that note, we will be back on Thursday,

1650
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: and I hope everyone has a good week until then.

1651
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. We'll see all that.

1652
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 6: Hike the volume