WEBVTT - The Statue of Liberty 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:13.080 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:18.840 There's Chuck in. There is a certain lady holding an 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.880 open flip. Nope, holding an open flame and wearing sandals, 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.200 so this must be sandals and lady, are we at 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:33.839 a fish concert? Yep, she's an app that has is 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.400 an open flame on her phone? Did she just does 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.600 she have a whippet balloon at her feet? Yes, that's 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:45.240 exactly right. You can't see it from below the pedestal, though. Ah, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.040 that's very nice, so Chuck, No, No, it's so wrong. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.519 I wasn't talking about someone at a fish concert. I 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.639 was talking about the Statue of Liberty. Good, because that's 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.160 what I researched. Same here, same here. Because if we 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.400 had just both happened to research the wrong thing. Um, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.480 but it was the same thing, we could have still 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.160 just pulled it out like we are right now. Maybe, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.840 But but we both researched the Liberty Enlightening the World 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.039 statue that's right, better known as the Statue of Liberty 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.440 to the you know, HOI POLOI, But for those in 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.720 the know, it's really Liberty Enlightening the World. And hope 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:28.360 is Hawaiian for huddled masses. That's right, wretched, um wretched? 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.760 Uh it wasn't. Yeah, it was a wretched you're cold 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.560 and tired and wretched? Were they wretched? That's that's how 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.120 Mma Lazarus put it. And I mean, I don't think 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.119 she was being me, and I think she was saying 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.840 that the state that they found themselves in was fairly wretched. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.400 She called them your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.280 the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. And she was 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.640 talking to continental Europe. But she was also basically saying, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.840 like you guys suck. You send us your worst. We're 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.160 going to turn them into our best. Right. And like 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.560 you said, we're talking about the statue that if you 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.880 have been to New York City, Uh sits there in 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:12.200 the harbor, looming large at the time, the largest statue. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.880 And clear up one misconception before we kind of get 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.760 to the history. You often hear like it was a 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.200 gift from the French government to the American government. Uh. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.080 Not true, And I always sort of thought that, but 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.840 as we will learn, it's an even cooler story because 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.519 like real people paid for it with oftentimes very small donations, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.079 much like uh Bernie Sanders was was building the statue. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.640 It was just about to smoop him with that nice 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.240 work man. Thanks so um yeah, they they it was. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.200 It was paid for by hard fought funds that came 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.560 from the people. I love that too. But there was 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.800 one guy who came up with the idea. This is 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.359 one of those things where it's like there was a 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.040 dude walking around and the idea for the statue of 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.600 Liberty popped into his head. And I love stories that 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.880 star like that, some guys just walking down the boulevard 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.120 and his name happens to in this case be Eduard 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.440 de Delaboulay, and he was walking around France in eighteen 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.000 sixty five and saying, you know, this place used to 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.160 be a lot better when it was a democracy, right, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.320 and now we're under the rule of Napoleon the third 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.839 things aren't so great. And you know where things are 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.840 looking pretty decent is over there in those United States 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:32.079 where they have just uh Lincoln has come along issued 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.400 the Emancipate Patient Proclamation, and like they're trying to do 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.360 things right over there, and I think we should recognize 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:43.160 them and also sort of say to our own French people. Hey, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.480 look at what they're doing over there, not bad? Yeah, 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.200 by by honoring America. And in this case it was 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.600 going to be giving America birthday gift from France UM 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.720 on our hundredth birthday in eighteen seventy six. Yeah, it 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.560 would kind of shine a light on friends and be like, hey, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.680 look at how great things can be. Like they ratify 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.080 the thirteenth Amendment. Over there is no slavery anymore. Like 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.800 people are free, they're taking immigrants, and it's like a 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:12.400 beautiful place. Let's be more like America. UM and right. Yeah, 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.400 So he started um asking around um and and sharing 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.520 his idea and it actually kind of caught fire in 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.920 a lot of ways. It wasn't like a ho home 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.799 idea by any means. There are a lot of people 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.520 in France who supported it. And one of the people 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:30.600 who joined on board very early on was Frederica Augusta Bartoldi, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.760 who ended up being the sculptor who sculpted the statue 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.440 of Liberty. And he sculpted. He came up with the 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.200 idea really fast, almost suspiciously fast, and when people grabbed 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.960 him by his lapels and said how did you come 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.800 up with this beautiful idea so fast they shook out 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.360 of him a piece of scrap paper that he had 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:53.280 submitted elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah, he did what any great designer does, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.920 which is kind of sifted through his bag of used 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.479 tricks because he was on a deadline. He actually wasn't 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.719 on a deadline, but yeah. He had in the eighteen 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.520 fifties gone to the Middle East and was inspired by 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.280 the Sphinx and the Pyramids and said, you know, I'd 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.760 like to do something really nice like that. And he 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.160 got his chance when Egypt said, hey, we want a 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.440 big lighthouse in the Suez Canal here, and he came 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:23.360 up with this cool, large, tall lady with a lamp 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.440 to guide the people's way into through the Suez Canal. 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.200 And then they said, nah, we don't think we're gonna 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.960 do that anyway, And instead of just being angry and upset, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.160 he said, that's fine, I'll just repurpose it. Yeah, he said, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.839 it's like water off a duck's back. Egypt, I don't care. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.720 I got I got other things to do. And I'd 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.120 like to think of it as not that um that 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.520 that we got a second hand design, but more like 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.240 the design was so great that it must be, it 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.760 must come into existence, and that it came into an 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:00.679 even better existence in the harbor off of Manhattan Um 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.040 rather than the Suez Canal. Yeah, he worked smarter, not harder. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.960 That's right. That's another way to put if you're a landscaper. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.320 He had to change a few things around. He had 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.560 to change Yeah, that in green side up. Those are 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.560 the only two things you have to remember. Those are 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.800 kind of the rules, I thought. Yeah. Uh so he 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:21.400 changed up a few things from his initial Egyptian design um, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.320 namely the Egyptian look. He changed that up and instead 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.720 of this kind of Egyptian headdress, came up with that 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.880 cool spiky hat. Yeah. Hey, I didn't realize this, did you. That? 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:37.000 Like that crown against her forehead, that's a crown, but 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.000 this those spikes coming off off of it are like 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.240 reflections of rays from the sun. They're not meant to be. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.000 It's not like a structural part of the crown or 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.960 or not. It's not meant to be. Oh so that's 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.680 supposed to be interesting. Yeah, it's seven rays of sunlight 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.280 shining out from it like that that I guess is 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.680 reflecting off of It's meant to be like the sun 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.719 reflecting all. Yeah, you think it's just like a like 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.080 almost like, um, I don't know, like a like a 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.320 Guarus kind of thing. Yeah, like a spiky, cool grown 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.800 yeah exactly. Uh, yeah, I'd be interested. I wonder if 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.880 anyone is done little photo shopping without that to see 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.120 the true nature of the hat the ground, like to see. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.280 I know a few people who are good at photoshop. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.760 I don't know, but you're gonna get your face in 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:29.160 my body, that's right, and our worst pictures. Uh. The 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.160 other thing they changed, or one of the other things 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.440 he changed, was the original statue had a lamp, and 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 he said, the lamp is nice for the Suis Canal, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.520 but let's go with a torch for the United States. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:45.440 And because it um, it symbolized enlightenment. It was liberty, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.480 enlightening the world, you know, Like, I guess you could 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.760 enlighten the world with the lamp, but the lamps more 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.640 like showing the way. This is like casting the light 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.440 of enlightenment out in every direction. You know that better 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:05.520 metaphorical showing the metaphorical way. Sure almost had metaphysical um. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.880 Then there was also that tablet. She's holding it her side. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.480 The tablet of law with July four, seventeen seventy six 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.640 and Roman numerals they're inscribed on the side. That was 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.440 a new edition because the first, the original one um 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.400 progress carrying a light to Asia in the US canal 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.800 just had her had her hand like cup by her side, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.280 not even doing anything. It's kind of like hand on 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.120 the hip right or now, Yeah, when I dip, you dip, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.240 we dip right. Uh. And then to call back your 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.920 very sly little joke that you stuck in there at 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.200 the front of this podcast. You cannot from the ground 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.079 level because the pedestal is so tall. See what's going 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.839 on with the feet? And I had never really looked, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.960 but right there, if you google a picture of Lady 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.520 Statue of Liberty's feet, there are broken shackles and a 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.959 broken chain that represents the abolition of slavery. And I 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.160 never knew that was there either. Yeah. And so after 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.200 Bart told they said, listen, guys, look, I made all 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.199 these changes. They they have flattened out his suit and 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.679 straightened his tie and put his glasses back on, and 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.839 then they lift him up on their shoulders and they said, 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.360 bear Toldie, Bear Toldie, And they carried him down the 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.440 avenue um and as a kind of an initial parade, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.839 there'd be a lot of parades surrounding the Statue of 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:31.240 Liberty and its development. He disappeared. It was an accident, man, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.640 it was an accident. The group agreed never to speak 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.120 of it. But so regardless, what I'm trying to say 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.959 is Bear toldie he got the contract to to be 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.240 the guy who designed this wonderful statue for France to 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.280 give to the United States. Right, so he hops on 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.520 a a plane. No no, no, not a plane. I 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.480 would guess a steamership or something. I can't imagine how 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.400 long that kind of stuff just took, how patients, But 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.760 it's a ocean voyage. There's like a sense of adventure, definitely, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.320 but also after you do it, like for the umteenth time, 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.679 it's probably like, come on, although if you don't have 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.040 any frame of reference of things going any faster, maybe 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.920 it doesn't seem quite as long, like you and I 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:19.760 having flown taking a steamer. It's just like but it's 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.400 not like someone would have said, you know what else 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.439 is a sense of adventure? The concorde, that's right, A 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.560 lot quicker too, but very very adventurous. Heard they're bringing 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.079 that back. Yeah. I think we talked about that in 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.400 an episode. Didn't we do one on the concord? Yeah, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.520 but I don't remember us talking about coming back. I 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.360 think we did. I think we mentioned I mean, there 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.600 needs to be something super fast. They're like at this point, yes, 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.080 we're there, we're at teleportation stage. We're definitely lagging behind. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.000 I think. So that's like the Seinfeld gag when they 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.199 when they talk about we're going to try and like 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.760 make up some airtime or whatever, and he was just like, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.160 why aren't they just flying as fast as they can 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.600 every single time? Does it? That's like, that's a very 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:11.240 good point, the mind boggling Seinfeld. Alright, So in seventy one, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.800 he gets on that steamership. He comes over to travel 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.120 to the United States to try and get some support 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.520 because this is going to be a very expensive project, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.120 and maybe to kind of scout out some locations and boom, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.079 right there, as he's pulling into New York Harbor, he 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.800 sees the light, the metaphorical light, and sees Bedloe Island 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.319 b E d l o E right there in the harbor, 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.160 and he was like, wait a minute, what is this place? 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.079 And everyone said Oh, it's nothing. It's just it's a 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.600 hunting and fishing ground, uh for the Lenape Native Americans 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.760 here before us, and then the Dutch settled it, and 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.959 now the U. S Military owns it and it's you 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.640 don't really need to worry about it. And he was like, no, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.280 I do, because that, my friends, is the perfect spot. Yeah, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.920 it was perfectly situated to watch over the ships coming 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.440 into the harbor. Um and uh, that became the spot 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.800 for the Statue of Liberty. It really is a great 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.120 spot for it. And it was renamed Liberty Island in 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:13.040 nineteen fifty six by the Eisenhower administration. So so but totally. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.360 He goes back to France and um, he's met some 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.000 Americans and drummed up the interests among Americans. He's found 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.839 the site for this amazing place that he's going to 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.520 build the world's tallest sculpture on um and he ends 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:32.480 up helping found the Franco American Union, which, as you said, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.480 this wasn't a gift from the French government to the 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.000 American government. As as a matter of fact, I think 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.120 that was the first thing that Bert TOLDI and his 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.199 his friends tried. The friends said no, the Americans said, no, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.199 that's just ridiculous. It's gonna cost too much and it 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.360 will never work. So they started trying trying to cobble 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.120 together like private support for it, and the results of 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.560 that was the Franco American Union. And I have one thing, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.200 one thing to say about the Franco American and Uck 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.320 I was like, Franco American sounds really familiar. And then 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:08.800 I realized Franco American spaghetti. Remember that spaghetti in a can. Yeah, 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.400 it makes zero sense. The French aren't well known for 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:17.959 their spaghetti and spaghetti sauce, spaghetti right the um the 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.240 Italians are. And I think it was an Italian company. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.640 I think they took that name on because they were 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.360 founded around the time that the Franco American Union was 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 trying to drum up interest in the Statue of Liberty project. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.920 I couldn't find support for that. But that's my new hypothesis. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.920 All right, Let's say we take a break and ponder that. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.439 Maybe have some of it, all right, because that's not 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.400 chapoy already, that's different, right, I I don't I like both, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.240 but yes, that's different. All right, Well, we'll go do 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.400 a sample of each and we'll come back with our 0:13:46.440 --> 0:14:15.240 winner right after this. Who won? They were both winners, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.280 all right. I love that ravioli still, I'd never get it, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.040 like once every three or four years, I'll get that 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.640 tangy what is even in that? What kind of meat 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.840 is in that ravioli? And I'll eat it. I know, 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.200 I haven't had Franco American spaghetti since I can't even remember, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.480 but I do remember it being the sweet spaghetti, because 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.480 that's what we need, right. Uh. Have you ever been 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.000 to the Statue of Liberty, first of all, like in 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.160 and traveled up and done the whole thing. I was 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.280 hoping you weren't going to ask me that. No, I haven't. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.000 I haven't either. I did you know? It's it's Liberty 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.880 Island now and there's Liberty State Park as part of 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.920 the grounds. And I went to see radio Head there, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:01.440 uh in late August two thousand one, right there with 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.920 the Statue of Liberty looming and the Twin Towers right 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.400 across the water. Good night, And of course, you know, 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.840 it was just a couple of weeks after that that 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.400 the Twin Towers were gone. It was very, uh surreal 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.560 to have gone to that show at that moment in time. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.600 Uh and almost, well not almost twenty years ago, almost, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:26.480 meaning as we record, just a couple of days away. Right, So, chuck, Um, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.320 you haven't been to the set of Liberty either, I 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.440 guess is ultimately the point of your story. No, just 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:36.200 a Radiohead concert, Okay. So I don't feel particularly bad 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:41.400 because I was reading a piece of contemporary journalism, uh, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.200 contemporary too when they restored the set of Liberty, which 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.000 we'll talk about for a second later, um, and they 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.320 were talking to the foreman, one of the foreman on 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.040 the job, and he was saying, like, I've lived in 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.680 New York for forty eight years, and it took me 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.480 getting this job to come out here. I've never been here. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.680 So I think like a lot of people, including people 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.440 who I think tourists, are the ones who have been 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.560 to the Statue of Liberty. Not to say like I'm 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.200 not a tourist when I go to New York, but right, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.240 it just makes me feel a little less bad that 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.080 it's not like, what kind of an American are you 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.720 haven't been to the Statue of Liberty? You call me? Yeah, 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.640 And it kind of feels like and I'm completely wrong here, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.280 but it kind of feels like one of those where 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.520 you're like, no, you know, I get a nice view 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.680 of it from New York, and when I fly in 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.240 and out, you get a really nice view of it. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:27.760 Like why do I need to actually go over there? 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.920 But that should probably make the journey over there. We'll 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.920 do it together holding their hands of fraternity, liberty, egality 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:41.360 and podcaster. That's right, so uh Bert told he comes 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.960 back to France. Oh yeah, forgot about. As the story goes, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.640 he attends a wedding and sees this young woman and 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.120 it's like whoa ho ho who is that holding that? 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.360 Everyone said, yeah, she had a hat box and everyone said, 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.480 that's Jean Emily. How do you pronounce her last name? Uh? 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:05.240 Bho bay Hugh. You were doing so good with the 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:12.800 French b a h e u X. I know that 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.520 last part would has to be you right, yeah or 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:23.320 go oh baho? Where's going with ms B? Yeah, let's 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.959 call her miss B And he said, I have finally 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.320 met my lady Liberty. He goes on to Mary this 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.480 woman and as legend has it, uh and I don't 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.600 think he's ever confirmed from him, but his legend has 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.960 it he used her as the body model for the 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:46.320 Statue of Liberty and supposedly his mother Charlotte's face, which 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.840 is you know, it introduces a certain level of Freudiani is, um, yeah, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.200 paging Dr Freud big time. My mom's face on my 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.680 wife's body. Dave helped us out with this, uh, and 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:03.159 he says that apparently his mother struck a stern, imposing figure, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:07.159 so that's why he chose his mother's face. You know, 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.440 all right, we're just gonna go with that and just 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.680 kind of slowly back out of this room. That's right. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.879 The next thing he needed to do after he had 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.399 his artistic inspiration and his model was too you know, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.200 he didn't he's not a builder of things. He's he's well, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:24.719 he is a builder of things, but he's not an 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.920 engineer and an architect on that level. Yeah, he was 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.040 very much interested in that kind of stuff, but he 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.359 was it was way beyond the scope of what he 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.040 was capable of understanding himself. Yes, so he needed some 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.200 help and he figured that first of all, this is 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.440 the tallest statue in the world at the time, so 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.560 it's going to be a challenge. And then what I 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.680 want to do is build it in France and then 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.520 take it apart and then rebuild it in the States. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.080 I kind of get this in a way, but I 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.560 almost think that they could have gotten all the parts 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.639 and shipped them to the United States to build on 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.000 site for the first time. I mean, I kind of 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.160 get where he was coming from, though. You don't want 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.359 to send everything over and ending up being like Mr 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.439 mccraig with a leg for an arm and an arm 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.200 for a leg or something like that. You want to 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.639 make sure it works first before you if you ask me. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.280 That shows it demonstrates the level of dedication that the 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.760 French had to this gift to America. And my hat, 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.640 my chef, how is off to them for it? Well, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.320 and I guess he figured because my whole logic was like, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.359 and you could do it in America and solve the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.000 same problems here as you could have solved there, but 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.840 it would just be more embarrassing here in America. Well 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.400 that but I think he was working with his people 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.080 there and you can't bring all those people over, So 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.440 that was I'm sure there was a comfort level and 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:50.240 a language issue or barrier potentially that he wouldn't have 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.800 to overcome, So I succumb I also think probably that 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.200 he he was also using it as a way to 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.119 drum up interest in in their for funds for it 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.159 as well, because he had to raise money. We'll get 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.720 to that. So um Bart totally uh talked to a 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.920 couple of architects. The first one he spoke to was 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.960 Eugene viole A l EDuke Uh He was a the 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.320 greatest architect in France at the time, and he basically said, look, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.399 you want to use this technique called rape whose and 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.960 it's basically what you're gonna do is build a skeleton 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.080 or something of some sort, some sort of structure underneath 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.600 that you can then attach thin sheets of copper too. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.520 So the sculpture is going to be made at copper, 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.800 but it's not gonna be like cast or carved or 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.159 anything like that. That's that's it would just be impossible 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.320 to do. Um Instead, you're just going to fix copper 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.760 sheets to it to make the thing out of And 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.840 I guess viole A La Duke suggested making a concrete 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:53.119 structure underneath, and um Bert totally was like, Okay, you know, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.359 I like you a lot. We've we've had a lot 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.359 of great basketball games together, and um you're my friend, 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.440 I'm gonna go with your recommendation. But then val A 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:07.280 Leduke died and he came another guy from our podcast history, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:12.760 Gustav e fel Or Eiffel there is created the Eiffel Tower. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.240 And he said, yet this is this is all wrong? 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.639 Like yes, yes, he's like, I'm trying out some new things. Uh. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.920 He said, yes, I totally agree with val A Leeduke's 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.399 idea to use ray puss. That was a stroke of genius. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.760 But the idea of like creating the structure underneath that 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.200 a concrete that's way too heavy, way too rigid, and 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.800 it's just totally unnecessary. Try out my new technique of 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.040 trusses and girders made of wrought iron. It's gonna be 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.000 way lighter and it's going to give it a lot 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.280 more flexibility. Yeah. I think he kind of thought that, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.200 and I think it was probably right. Is that other 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.720 way it was a little more old school, and that 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.920 he saw the future, you know, pre Eiffel Tower. He 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.960 was the future and wrought iron, I guess. So he 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.600 was in love with those iron girders, and so he said, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.800 here's what do We'll design this giant nine two pylon 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.720 and that'll be the central point from which everything will spring, 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:12.520 and they'll be this more lightweight, uh kind of grid 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.720 of girders and trusses that's going to form that skeleton 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.280 from that central pylon and then a secondary another iron 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.560 frame even and that's what those copper sheets are going 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.680 to be riveted to, one at a time. And he said, 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.280 this is the way, like you said, it's gonna have 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.320 a little give, uh. And today even the statue of 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.600 Liberty can can sway a bit, as all great tall 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.800 structures usually are made to go a little bit with 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:43.320 the wind. She can sway about three inches and like herself, 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.560 and then the torch can sway up to six inches. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.159 You should see she sways even more if there's a 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.879 good Calypso song playing nearby, right or you should have 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.200 seen her at that radio Head show. She's getting down 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.080 like I love this song song no booze at that show. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:02.240