1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too. Dave's here in spirit 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: like Obi wan Kenobi. So let's get started. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 2: That's right. And you cobbled this together. And this is 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: about the long U caves. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: I think cobbled is generous here. 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: No, it's fine. These caves in China, specifically the how 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: would you pronounce that, Josh, The province, yeah, Jiujiang, the 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: Jujiang province in China where in the early nineties and 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, specifically, the people that lived in the 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: villages near these ponds. There's ponds all over the place there. Yeah, 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: but they are all these sort of historical rumors of 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: some of them being bottomless, these bottomless ponds kind of 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: Chinese lore. And one day this guy and actually found 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: his name, and now I can't find it. His name 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: was Wu, I do know that. But he said, you 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to find out what's going on. 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: I saw some places say that he caught this enormous 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: fish in one, but I think that's not true because 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: part of the thing about these ponds is that they 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: had no fish. 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that they were totally devoid of life. 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: But I saw two different things that he caught this 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: giant fish and was intrigued, but I just think that's 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: made up. Bs. 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Okay, that's great that you laid that out there, because 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: we should probably say there's a lot of questions about 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: all of this. 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: There really is. It's surprisingly hard to get a lot 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: of stuff on this. So anyway, he was intrigued and said, 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to buy a water pump and I'm going 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: to drain that thing. And as the story goes, they 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: ended up investing as a village into several more water 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: pumps and after seventeen days of pumping, drained this thing 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: to see if it was in fact a bottomless pond. 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: What did they find. 37 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: They found not just in that one pod, but five ponds, 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: really deep caverns that you'd be like, oh, okay, that's 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of a neat thing to find a cavern that 40 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: was filled with water that everybody thought was a pond. 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: But wait, all you had to do was peer over 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: the surface into this cavern and you would see a 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: staircase that had been carved into the rock descending below 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: into the darkness. 45 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: Wh yeah, yeah, and these are this is the mystery 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: of the long U caves. Because they still don't know, 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: and this is what we'll talk about, you know, probably 48 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: in part two. They still don't know why these things 49 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: were built, this amazing system of underwater caverns, or well 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: originally underwater but just underground caverns. Now, how many were 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: there in total? I think twenty four they ended up finding. 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they found twenty four of them, five major ones 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: and nineteen slightly smaller ones. 54 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, one is a tourist attraction. Now maybe more that 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: was even hard to find out for sure, but at 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: least one. 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: The whole thing, this whole system of what they call grottos, 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: of twenty four grottos covers seven and a half acres 59 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: and the biggest one has a ceiling that's one hundred 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: feet off of the floor. Yeah, soaring thirty meters plus. 61 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: That's a really tall cave and a really long staircase. 62 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: And also you would say, well, wait a minute, how 63 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: is this thing even being held up? My friend? They 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: carved pillars that held this thing up. And that's just 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: the very beginning of all the astounding stuff that there 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: is to say about these caves. 67 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: Do you carve a pillar or do you carve everything? 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: Around what will eventually be a pillar. 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: They say that, I think Michelangelo saw, like in a 70 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: slab of marble, like raw marble, what he was supposed 71 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: to chip away to reveal, you know, David beneath or 72 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: something like that. So yeah, I mean, just what a 73 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: great way of looking at things. 74 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: He stared at it, and he could just see that flaccid. 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: Penis right, he could hear. 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk a little bit more about 77 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: these because when you walk down those steps, you're gonna 78 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: find those pillars, and then you're gonna look around at 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: these walls and you're gonna be like, hold on a second. 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: If I look at all these walls, I will notice 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: and the ceilings, mind you, like basically all of the 82 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: surface except for the floor, right. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't think the floor has them. 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: Now you will find it is made up of these 85 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: carved out parallel or I saw one sort of poo 86 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: poo or call them parallelish parallel lines that are How 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: wide are these things? 88 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Well, it depends. So if you're talking about the parallel 89 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: lines that go that circle all the way down a pillar, 90 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 1: they're usually about twenty four inches wide. 91 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the ones on the walls. 92 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: They vary in length okay, or width both okay, but 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: they'll vary in width from like say, this wall to 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: that wall in a local area. They're all going in 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: generally the same direction, they're generally the same link, they're 96 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: generally the same. 97 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: Width, right. 98 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: But when you put it all together, it has this 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: amazing effect of creating a uniform textured background to everything 100 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: that's on these walls and to the walls themselves, the 101 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: pillars themselves, they're adorned with texture. 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: That's right. And within each of these sort of carved 103 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: out lines are smaller vertical clearly like chisel marks that 104 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 2: are chisel at a sixty degree angle to the vertical 105 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: surface of the wall or the pillar or whatever it is. 106 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's definitely human hands had a big role 107 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: in shaping these things. 108 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: Lots and lots of human hands. And I guess we 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: can take a break now and we'll talk about all 110 00:05:46,040 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: this other good stuff right after this. So first of all, 111 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: how old is this stuff? We should talk about that 112 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: for a second. 113 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Chuck. 114 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: Well, probably about two thousand years old. 115 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: That's the guess. And the reason that they're saying that 116 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: is that they found pottery embedded in the silt on 117 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: the floor of this thing when they drained it of 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: these caves, and that this pottery dated to about the 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: reign of Emperor Swan I think the tenth emperor of 120 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: the Han dynasty, and his reign was up to forty 121 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: eight BCE, so over two thousand years ago is when 122 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: these caves would have been dug. 123 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And another weird thing about this system is 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: that usually you would know because the Chinese were great 125 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: about keeping records and documenting stuff like this, like exactly 126 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: like this. Yeah, they have found no documentation anywhere ever 127 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: about how this was done or what these things were 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: used for. 129 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the closest they could come was a poem from 130 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century written by Yushun, who was writing over 131 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred years after these caves were o sensibly carved, 132 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: And that's the only mention they have. And it's really weird, 133 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: like why would it not be documented by a culture 134 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: that documented everything. The other thing about it, Chuck, is 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: that it doesn't match any of the other minds quarries, grottos, 136 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: ceremonial sites, palaces. It just as it's they're their own thing. 137 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: There's one other group of grottos called the Hua Shan Grottos. 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: They're also build as mysterious, but supposedly they were built 139 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: about fifteen hundred years after the ones in long U, 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the long U Caves. 141 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, another couple of remarkable things is that each one 142 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: of these has only one entrance, like you're talking about 143 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: that vertical shaft staircase. So it's not like they're connected together. 144 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: Although they are beside one another, they neighbor one another, 145 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: sometimes to the point where these walls are just a 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: couple of feet thick between them, but you can't move 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: from one to another while you're down there. And then 148 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: once you get down there, they found that they used 149 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: to have these drainage channels and ways to drain them 150 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: in this like sort of central water pool that would 151 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: collect water. Yeah, but they eventually completely filled with water. 152 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: And a lot of this still is you know, guesswork, 153 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: because they really just don't know much about it, but 154 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: they think that they flooded over time because these drains 155 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: stopped working. 156 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and clearly the people who built these were incredibly talented, because, 157 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: like you said, they shared walls, and those walls in 158 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: some cases were only two feet thick, and if you're 159 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: carving out spaces independently and you're using a shared wall, 160 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: you're at a really high risk of carving into the 161 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: other chamber, the other room through the wall. They didn't 162 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: they figured out that precisely how to carve the next 163 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: chamber that shared the wall with the first chamber without 164 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: puncturing that shared wall. That's really tough to do. 165 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: Oh totally. And they didn't just go in there with 166 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: like the biggest tools that were available to them at 167 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: the time. They and you know, it's because we're these 168 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: these little lines that are carved. They've basically settled on 169 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: the fact that like lots and lots of people did 170 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: this with pretty small tools like chisels and hammers, basically 171 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: when they could have used bigger things at the time. 172 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that they think that they actually carved 173 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: from the surface of the ground downward, layer by layer, 174 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: that that's how they carved it out. So they're carving 175 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: this pillar over here by you know, along the way, 176 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: they were carving another pillar over here along the way, 177 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: and they just kept carving down with chisels. So there's 178 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: an estimate. I'm not sure who estimated this. 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: This is all over the internet the home. 180 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: It was worried for sure. We got it from Interesting Engineering, 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: so blame them. We tried to go as legit a 182 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: source as we could, and they said that in an 183 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: estimate with tools at the time, just removing the rock, 184 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: not the like intricate carving or anything like that, but 185 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: just to remove the rock to create the caverns would 186 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: have taken one thousand people six years if they worked 187 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: twenty four straight hours. Yeah, so that's pretty nuts because 188 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: they would have moved a million cubic meters of rock. 189 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: This didn't soil everybody. This is siltstone. It's very hard 190 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: rock that they carved into. 191 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no evidence of where all that stuff went, 192 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: that million cubic meters of rock, because it's not like 193 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: there's you know, a big mountain nearby of some stacked siltstone. 194 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: There were no tools that they found. They're they're surmising 195 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: this chisel and hammer thing from how you know, like 196 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: the end result, not the fact that they found a 197 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: bunch of chisels and hammers down there right like after 198 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: some great flood or something. And then you mentioned the 199 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: intricate patterns there. It's not just the carving and the 200 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: walls and the ceilings and these pillars. But there is 201 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: art down there, like bass relief carvings all over the 202 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: place and almost everywhere I found said that this is 203 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: almost certainly came much much later, yea, and was not 204 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: done at the time. 205 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Well, let's get into it, because I think we should 206 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: finish on skepticism, shall we shall? 207 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: We shall? 208 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: So some people are like that boss relief thing is 209 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: a great example of questioning anything we know about this 210 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: because sources, legitimate sources will be like, this boss relief 211 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: is and shockingly good condition, having been underwater for centuries, 212 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: and skeptical sources say, probably it's because it was carved 213 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: after these things were drained in the nineties to enhance 214 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: their attraction for tourists, and that over here in the West, 215 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: we're like, wow, look at that boss relief. It's like 216 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: it was carved within the last thirty years. Yeah, And 217 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: it's just a misunderstanding. So when you learn about that, 218 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: it starts to make you a question, Well, okay, what 219 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: else is just misunderstanding? What else is just the tourist 220 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: board in China saying something and we're not quite getting it, 221 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: and we think that this is a mystery more than it. 222 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: Is exactly because you do have to keep that in mind, 223 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: like what we're talking about or where we're talking about. 224 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 2: There have been theories over the years of what it 225 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: could have been. None of them completely make sense. If 226 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: it was like a mine, it wouldn't have been they 227 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't have taken so much time to make it so 228 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: sort of precise and intricate. If it was a palace, 229 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: because some people have put that forward, it would have 230 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: had rooms. This is like, I don't know if we 231 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: got it across. Each one is like its own just 232 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: huge room. And that's not how palaces were. They had 233 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: different chambers in different rooms. And another thing was maybe 234 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: it's a garrison for troops, but they wouldn't have taken 235 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: so long to do something like that. 236 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: Probably no, they would have needed garrisons like much more quickly. 237 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: You don't, you know, it's not something that you would take, 238 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, six years, using one thousand people for twenty 239 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: four hours a day. 240 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: It's a heck of a foxhole. 241 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: You exactly right. 242 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: I did see one video of this woman online put 243 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: forward the idea that it's sort of like an Okham's 244 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: razor thing. Wait is Okham's razor. Yeah, that's the simplest explanation, right, Yeah, yeah, 245 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: they were cisterns, and she had a lot of compelling 246 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: reasons why she thinks they were sistern uh. And a 247 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: lot of people in the comments this is. 248 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: YouTube, of course, they're like, I'm gonna kill your family. 249 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: Now. A lot of people are like, that actually makes 250 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And she compared them to different 251 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: cisterns at other places in the world that kind of 252 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: had some similar looks, and that, you know, they they 253 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: functioned well as cisterns because they collected a ton of 254 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: water that they had still been using for fresh water. 255 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure the ancestors the ghosts were like, 256 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing when they saw the villagers pumping 257 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: these things out? 258 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe, but I don't know that. I think there 259 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: are some things that don't quite hold water. 260 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: Well no, oh boy, chuck. The biggest one is I'm 261 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: sorry we didn't finish on that, but that was beautiful. 262 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: The biggest one for me is why would you make 263 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: such intricate carvings in a cistern? 264 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 265 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: That's a great time. 266 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: That makes sense. 267 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: So from what we can tell, there is a pretty 268 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: decent amount of mystery to the Long UK's it's not 269 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: just misunderstanding. 270 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think we're probably ever going to 271 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: find out for sure. 272 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: So Chuck, what do you think about the idea that 273 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: they were cisterns? 274 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: I think it doesn't hold water. 275 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: Beautiful Short Stuff is apt. 276 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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