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Speaker 1: Like like, I forget what You can grow a tree,

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Speaker 1: That's why I've always utilized my platforms to help those

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Speaker 1: I remember when I used to do Uncommon Sense, and

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Speaker 1: Let's get into that movement rights matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with like gud Cold, right, we started doing

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Speaker 1: I got I got the Hounorible Lodge Muhammad, I got

436
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Speaker 1: Malcolm Max, A little small piece I got, you know,

437
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 1: do All gave me a rich broke chain, you know,

438
00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I got Nipsey, you know, God blessed the dead.

439
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 1: I got like my homegirl, Jazz, God blessed dead. I

440
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 1: got her on a ring like stuff that means something

441
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 1: to me. And the crazy party is I don't even

442
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 1: wear it, like I got Jazz on the ring and

443
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't even wear it, you know, but I just

444
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 1: like looking at it.

445
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 2: Right right, and this meaningful and purposeful man. That ship

446
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: is dope, and I need to because what will happen

447
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 2: is we'll get the money we've always dreamed of and

448
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,959
Speaker 2: then bad things that we don't need, bad things that

449
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 2: we won't even utilize. You know what I mean. You

450
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 2: money is a tool, and I think you've been someone

451
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 2: to kind of show us that I want.

452
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 1: I love, I love I love this conversation, Becau. I'm

453
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 1: talking about things I never talked about before. But it's

454
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: just that that that misconception about television is hilarious to

455
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 1: me because like it's it's things that I'm credited on

456
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 1: that people may not even know I'm credited, Like what.

457
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of different.

458
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Speaker 1: Like the first thing comes to my mind is Body,

459
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 1: this movie I was a consultant producer on. I've seen

460
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 1: that eminem executive is But that was.

461
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 2: A battle rap, was it? Yeah?

462
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: But but but what people really need to understand is

463
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: like like to say, like this play me and Kevin

464
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 1: Hart doing with Audible called SBH right, SBA stand for

465
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Speaker 1: Short Black and Handsome Productions.

466
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Speaker 2: You know I first shut n Hart too.

467
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Speaker 1: That's that's man monumental hust and people, if you're not

468
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: if you're looking at if, if he's still looking at

469
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: Kevin as a comedian, and you're missing the whole missed

470
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: the bus, that's that's a mold like in a real way.

471
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 1: And our first two projects was Finding Tamika that The

472
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Speaker 1: Good Sister Eric Alexander created along with Color Farm Media,

473
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Speaker 1: and some of eighty five that my guy Chris Moroll created.

474
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Speaker 2: You know, all we're doing is.

475
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Speaker 1: Creating i P that is eventually going to be television

476
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Speaker 1: film documentaries, doing it through the audio world, because you know,

477
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: why sit around and try to convince people, you know that,

478
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, build it up. Why I convince you that

479
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: this is a great idea. We can just do it

480
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: over here at Audible. Like we got a project coming

481
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: out this summer that I can't wait to talk about.

482
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: I can't speak about it now, but it's our first

483
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: it'll be our first scripted series with Audible, so it'll

484
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: be like listening to a TV ship And I can't

485
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Speaker 1: wait to announce what we even doing that that with

486
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm taking that one really, really, really personal,

487
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: because it's going to be a passion project for me,

488
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: just because I know what this person has been through.

489
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: You know, I know this, I know this person is

490
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 1: struggling hustle for real. But all of those things are

491
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: set up to be, you know, like I said, television

492
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: film documentaries, and.

493
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Speaker 2: With your relationship is still in good standings, it's easy,

494
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Speaker 2: especially with them Kevin.

495
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: And let me tell you about that. There's some business

496
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: for people. Kevin has a company, Heartbeat Productions. Heartbeats over

497
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: the place way farther along than see the God world.

498
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Is you think I'm an argue about being in on

499
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: a TV play if I'm not getting fifty percent.

500
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this equity shit is getting on my.

501
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Narritive like like like like with something like SBH that's

502
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty audio world, right.

503
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: But when we go into his world, his leverage, his

504
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: market share is loo. Why would I, man, Why would I?

505
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: Your ego feeding your man is way farther along than

506
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: I am in that space.

507
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: That's his world. Show me the way my brother humblely

508
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 2: showed me. The way I love talking to cat Man,

509
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: And every time he talks like even I can tell

510
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: like I was looking at because again I watch everything

511
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: every you don't miss I don't miss nobody, because again

512
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: I gotta know what warrants the money and why it

513
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: warrns the money. I'm always looking for the why. Right,

514
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: everybody can get on the mic and talk and this

515
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: and that, But why is Kevin making so much? And

516
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: why is Charlom making so much? What's going on? Is

517
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: this me making so much? Where you stop it? Just

518
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: how to be making a living? You don't make all

519
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: those high priority lists and not be making that kind

520
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: of pat I'm not trying.

521
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: To hear it's about what I put into the world.

522
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: It is. It's a combination of thing. Yeah, I think

523
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: it's about the money. The money's dead too. And I

524
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: want to know why is it that you feel like

525
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: it'll come back on you or you feel like it's

526
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: bad energy or it's negative, or it's the energy of

527
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: like boasting. I just don't see the need like that's

528
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: not what about when your counterparts take shots at you.

529
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: I could care less, like for what Like it's like,

530
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: why would I listen? I'm fully aware that nobody cares

531
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: about the truth when the lie is more entertaining. But

532
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: one thing I do know about lies, they can't do

533
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: anything to you. Nah, Like you can say whatever you want,

534
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: you can spend whatever narrative you want. That don't change

535
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: my reality.

536
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: The lie got speed, the truth got endurance. That's it.

537
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: That don't change my reality.

538
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: And to that point, you know when you say the

539
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: truth got endurance, man NAZII Jones said a line that's

540
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: so cold. Nazi Jones said, much success to you, even

541
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: if you wish me the opposite. But sooner or later

542
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: we all won't see who the prophet is. That's and

543
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: that's just and that's the truth. That's just because time

544
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: is undefeated. I could I've seen him come, I've seen

545
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: him go when when?

546
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: Because I remember when? Now, First I'll get into Pete Davison.

547
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: You and Pete have a very close relationship. Where did

548
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: that come from? Is that where you met Pete?

549
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: I met peoples young people. Was like sixteen, and he

550
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: literally would fire. He's a comic with a comic. He

551
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: would follow. I didn't even know he was that young

552
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: because he's always been so tall, right, and the way

553
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: he's always carried himself, just like this is a very

554
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: mature young man. And like you know, he would always

555
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: tell us the story about his father Parishion and nine

556
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: to eleven, God Bless the dead. Like we were being

557
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: do Ball would go out to eat after tapers and

558
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: he would just come with us.

559
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: And he was just one of those people who always

560
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: we talk on the phone.

561
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: We started kicking it, like I don't know, he just

562
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: like that's my that's my guy, you know what I mean?

563
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Like he always wanted advice and you know, I know

564
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: his mom, I know system.

565
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: You know, like he's been he comes to my house.

566
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: I've been to his house. I can't like, you don't

567
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: know how you develop a same thing with duval M.

568
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: I don't know how I develop. The relationship just happens.

569
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: And and what's so cool about that? Now?

570
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: It's like I love when people say things like, you

571
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: know a man Charlamagne, nothe gone industry, because that's that's

572
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: what I used to always say, you either of the

573
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: industry or you of the people. What I would tell

574
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: all those folks is no, we built our own industry.

575
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: We created our own industry. These people that you see

576
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: around me to the real genuine from the friends, we

577
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know this person was going to be

578
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: that person and that person was gonna be this person.

579
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: We just all had our individual dreams, individual goals, and

580
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: we all grew. And this goes from everybody behind the

581
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: camera in front of the camera at these labels like

582
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: these are just my natural friends who we all.

583
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Literally came up together.

584
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: And I always thought that was the coolest shit loom

585
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: because when I used to read Agie Martinez his book,

586
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: I want everybody to go out there and read Aggie

587
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: Martinez book and tell me it don't it don't seem

588
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: like Greek mythology books called my voice. If I'm not

589
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: my sapor. And the reason I said if it reads

590
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: like Greek mythology is because when you when you read

591
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: stories about you know, her playing this unknown rapper named

592
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: jay Z song on the radio for the first time,

593
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: and then jay Z pulling up in the bench with

594
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: some champagne, him and Dame, and they've him and Angie

595
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: developing that relationship from there, you know, her and Mary j.

596
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: Blige riding around the city looking for a check cashing

597
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: place because Angie just got evicted, you know what I'm saying,

598
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: and Mary was on and they needed a place to

599
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: catch check because Mary wanted to spot her homegirl some bread.

600
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Like we look at these people now and we see

601
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: them together and be like, oh, that's just some industry ship.

602
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: No, they came up.

603
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: They came up from the mud.

604
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: Together, like we talk about didn't we ignore that? That's

605
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: weird because we stupid? Yeah, But also is it some

606
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: of the rhetoric working against you now, right, like the

607
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: of the industry is that is that without context now

608
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: working against you Down the road, you know what people

609
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: are saying, Damn, he's up that because maybe you didn't

610
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: explain that we ain't up the industry, were building our

611
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: own instead of saying either you of the industry in

612
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: that moment, of course you couldn't see ForSight.

613
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: But that's a great question.

614
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: Loom.

615
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought about it because I always thought

616
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: that I'm only I'm in my head, if I'm only

617
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: hustling for you.

618
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: You know, I understand what I'm saying. I ain't up

619
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: the industry.

620
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: I know what I'm doing.

621
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm building these different platforms and I'm

622
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: making sure my people get in position.

623
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: Isn't that what she's supposed to be? Right? You know

624
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: what I mean?

625
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: Because when when my people get a position, they look

626
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: out for me. You think Peter just did a whole

627
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: season of a TV show buck Kiss, I'm on there,

628
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: see you know what I mean?

629
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: On call it man, you know.

630
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with anything else. It's like, Yo,

631
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: if my man got to play over here, my homegirl

632
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: got to play over here, We're gonna make sure that

633
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: we plug circulate this money, plug each other.

634
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: Wouldn't we do that? And that's what they call him.

635
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: That's how fucked up I cold is they calling that

636
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: industry either because of the lack of knowledge or ignoring

637
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: the obvious, but one or the other. It's causing for

638
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: the same result, which is how is that industry? Right?

639
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: It's like there's a disconnect with that, with your relationship

640
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: with Pete. Did that contribute to any of that? Kanye West? Shit?

641
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Like just it seems like Kanye,

642
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't know where it came from, but it seems

643
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: like he started to throw shots your way or like

644
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: it took a liking to you.

645
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, I think yeah, I definitely think so,

646
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: because you know, Kanye called me to get me, to

647
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: get me to talk to Pete, to tell Pete to

648
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: leave Kim along, not.

649
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: That actually do that exactly. That's the conversation.

650
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: That's what I told him, Like I literally quoted Snoop

651
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Dogg to him, like, bro, you need to take this

652
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen hundreds.

653
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: What's snow dog says?

654
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: Snow Dogs said, Man, don't be mad because it showed

655
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: me Like I literally.

656
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: Said that to him. He must have got mad at that.

657
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's a bunch of things on that

658
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: conversation he got mad at. But once again, I'm loyal

659
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: to the soil when it comes to my friends. Sure,

660
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: if you if you loyal to me, I'm gonna always

661
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: be loyal to you, right, So I don't care who

662
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: called me about Poe Andrew.

663
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: I don't care what color they are. I don't care.

664
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 2: I don't care who called me about Duvo any of it.

665
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: Like those my friends for real.

666
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: When I ride hard for my people, I ride hard

667
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: like I may not agree with everything that they do,

668
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We might have odd back

669
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: and forth issues and you know, we go at each other,

670
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: but those still my people.

671
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's good to hear that, bro, because when

672
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: people get in his industry and lose, they sould man.

673
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: They ride for the bag the opportunity. Like Kanye calling me,

674
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: most niggas would have went and win against their own

675
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: home boy and say hey yo man, Like I.

676
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: Didn't even want to give Kanye my number. And in

677
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: the label rep that put us on the phone.

678
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: She knows she had.

679
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: To tea, she had to beg me and call repeatedly.

680
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: He he was upset like.

681
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: That type of ship. I've never I've just never been.

682
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: That way long man. But that's real, bro, Like we

683
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: we people need to highlight that one way or the other.

684
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Like it's like, yo, man, somebody ride for the people

685
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: and when these people with major this is when you

686
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: really know about a motherfucker, when these people with major

687
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: influence Carl until you ain't go against your man's man.

688
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: And it's like, nigga, who for what? Yeah?

689
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: You you you know that's my friend? What type of

690
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: who do you think I am? And how you ever

691
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna respect me? Why would you ever trust me with you?

692
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: You just used me to crash it out and then

693
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna look at me and say, never get close

694
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: to do it. It don't even make sense when also,

695
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: and then we'll close out. Also, I want I want

696
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: to get into Joe Butden a little bit. I want

697
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: to talk about his shots, But first I want to

698
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: deal with Breakfast Club because I've heard him mentioned that Charlemagne,

699
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: you've built up this big conglomerate with our heart. And

700
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: at one point he tried to act like, you're not

701
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: you haven't been compensated in a way that you are

702
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: happy with. Would you disagree with that one hundred?

703
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: That sounds like the people telling me what goes on

704
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: in my house with my wife, Like how you.

705
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: He said one time you didn't have a million dollars,

706
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: And I said, yo, at this point, This isn't even

707
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: fair to your people that's listening like one million dollars, Bro,

708
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: like seriously, like, and I just seen something that you

709
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: ain't even count for, and that was more than you know.

710
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't because you stopped stop it.

711
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: We're not going to keep letting the people live with bro,

712
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I know you don't. But it's people

713
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: behind us. They care. They need to know that what

714
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: warns the money shall?

715
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I want them to know that I am happy doing

716
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: what I do and like my mama said, just be

717
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: happy to be making a living, and more importantly, whatever

718
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: position you in, be of service the people.

719
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: I like this.

720
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: I like the fact that Loon is up there, podcast

721
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: is with the Black Effects.

722
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: Were going to the next you know what I'm saying.

723
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: It's one thing to call a man and tell a

724
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: man or woman, hey man, I fuck with you. I

725
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do. It's another to say, hey I

726
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: fuck with you man. Let's turn it up. Let's come

727
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: on and get here going check that. That's what I'm saying,

728
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: chick ass all I'm saying.

729
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: Not I just fu bag, and I'm gonna show you

730
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. That's know what I'm saying. And

731
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing.

732
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: I could care less what anybody I mean, And I

733
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: mean this is I can care less what anybody thinks

734
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: about me or what I got. That's not what I

735
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: do it for. That's not who I am. Whatever narrative

736
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: people want to spend today, people for whatever reason. Cool

737
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: and and just to be honest with you, I appreciate

738
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: being talked about because I don't talk about them no.

739
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: More, right, you really don't. I don't have to. This

740
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: is the first time you're probably gonna they gonna even

741
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: probably even hear you talk about it here.

742
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk about them now.

743
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: You don't even address it in any way because you

744
00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: really stay away.

745
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't even be seeing this stuff unless somebody bring

746
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it to my attention.

747
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying now. But but let me let

748
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: me ask you this. Would you say that? Would you

749
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: say that there's a competition between you and Joe not me? Right?

750
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a comparison?

751
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I think if I think if people are looking in

752
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: the podcast space.

753
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: That's what they're fucking up at.

754
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: If you look, if you look, that's that's and I'm

755
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: glad you said that that's the that's the only place.

756
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: But then it's then then again it's like, which what

757
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: are you looking at? Are you looking at Breakfast Club

758
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: is a podcast? You're looking at a podcast? Are you

759
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: looking at the Black Effect Network as a podcast? I

760
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: don't know what you know? But once again, I just

761
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: appreciate people having me in the conversation, like I could

762
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: care less. Who does what? Who's bigger than who? Yadyaka?

763
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we're all running a marathon,

764
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: and time is going to tell all, and I'm we're

765
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: all gonna look back five years from now. We're all

766
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with the choices we made today. Facts,

767
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: and that's the That's just so.

768
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: When when when somebody says, Charlemagne, you don't own this, Charlemagne,

769
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: you don't own breakfast Club, what do you say to that?

770
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I would say that they don't know what they're talking about,

771
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, because once again, you don't have to own

772
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of something to have ownership.

773
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: Especially all the major companies in the world are owned

774
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: by several people, a lot of time, boards of people.

775
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: And guess what, Black Effect I'm fifty one percent owner

776
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: of that, and we have a board. I'm actually about

777
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: to announce some board members soon. Breakfast Club Reface Club

778
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: isn't just me, right, And that's another thing, Yes, Angela

779
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: like it was, Angela like, it's not.

780
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: It's not just me. It's just like.

781
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: And also you're looking at a few I can name

782
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: a million things.

783
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: That I have ownership in, right.

784
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: I got a book in print with Simon and Schuster

785
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: through Black It's called Black Privilege Publisher, you know what

786
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean. It's with Simon and we put out to

787
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: mek A Mallory Books Stateve Emergency to Megas told you

788
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: how much brad she got from her first book, Anita

789
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Kopak Shallow Waters, you know what I mean. We got

790
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of other titles that were about announce him,

791
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: just announce my man, Doug Melville with Invisible Generals, you know.

792
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: But I got a bunch of different titles with.

793
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: Some major, major, major figures.

794
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 2: Right.

795
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: It's like, I think sometimes people don't even respect that

796
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: because niggas don't read.

797
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: Right, right, they don't understand the important If you respected

798
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: the value of books and understand what the value of books,

799
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: you would understand why that's a big deal for a

800
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: man from South Carolina, a place where slaves used to

801
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: get imprisoned for for knowing how to read and write,

802
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: where you would get in prison for teaching a slave

803
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: how to read and write. For him to have a

804
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 2: book in print, where he's able to have these black

805
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: people come and tell their stories, that's a big deal.

806
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: But you may not understand that if your world is

807
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: I'm only focused on this, like I got a lot

808
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: of different lanes, same thing with like I said, the

809
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: SBA reductions with Kevin Harten audible, that's audio scripted content

810
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: of different things.

811
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest genres out right now, and

812
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: of course the black effect. But then you got just

813
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: businesses that I mean, me and my wife just brought

814
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: six Crystal franchises, That's what I'm saying.

815
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: Then these guys would be like, I own my podcast

816
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, well God bless yeah, but hold on

817
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: what else we're doing, That's what I'm saying. Now we've

818
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: been doing bring it is with ten years. I don't

819
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: mind established along with the other lot of a bunch

820
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: of other things in my life. And that's the thing.

821
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: Now here's why I want to ask, do you think

822
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: if you guys would have because I don't know the

823
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: ownership of Breakfast Club, but do you think that if

824
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: if you guys would have been sticklers about ownership, that

825
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club would have still been around? Like would have

826
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: been a deal stopper if y'all would have said, or

827
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: did y'all not? Like I don't, I don't really understand

828
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: because I know where they live at. With the point right,

829
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: the point is with Sean Main, you built that, and

830
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: we've been taught to if we build it, we need

831
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: to own it.

832
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club is a nationally syndicated radio pro.

833
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: That you were hired for. But I got I have equity.

834
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't hired to do a nationally syndicated radio show.

835
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: Here we go, this is the business I was hired to.

836
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: This is what we look.

837
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I was hired to do a show called The Breakfast

838
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Club that was a local show.

839
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: In New York.

840
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: Meeting with me and Van Angelie, we built it into

841
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: a nationally syndicated program. That's when you start having the

842
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: equity conversations. And by the way, loan, let me see,

843
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I've been doing Breakfast Club for thirteen years, one two,

844
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm on my fourth contract.

845
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: You don't think you don't think my people updated anything

846
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: or no amendments happen. How does black effect happen? But

847
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: it's important to speak on me and you me and

848
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: you have the common sense to navigate this. Absolutely, it's

849
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: important to clarify these points in detail.

850
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Because because you know, when it comes to radio, you know,

851
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: there was a point in my life where I thought

852
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: about wanting to own a bunch of radio stations, like

853
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, like people like Stevie Wonder, Kathy Hughes. But

854
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: then it's twenty twenty three, Like my mind has been

855
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: on podcasts since I became a part of loud Speaking

856
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: network Combat Jackson when I was behind the scenes there,

857
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, and having equity in loudspeakle not not just equity,

858
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: but the ownership taking loud speaker, which I gave back

859
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: to Chris once I luned black effective with what the hell

860
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: on my hole on the.

861
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: Right loudspeaker like look for what likes.

862
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Plenty of money to go around. So it's like I

863
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: started seeing it back then. I started seeing what Gimblet

864
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: was doing and Bill Simmons the Ringer and you know,

865
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: all of these networks. I was like looking at all

866
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: of these networks selling this, you know, Spotify one hundred

867
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: million millionaire. I'm like, yo, we got all of these

868
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: podcasts host about all of this black talent out here.

869
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Whenever I have conversations with a lot of these black talent,

870
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily know how to translate that that that

871
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: viewership and that listenership and the dollars. Yes, so it's like, oh,

872
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I know what I want my next play to be

873
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: get owning radio stations.

874
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: Let's do a podcast network. Yes. So that's where this

875
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: comes into playoffs.

876
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, to your point when you first start Breakfast Club, Yeah,

877
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work for hire. It's been thirteen years man.

878
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: And that's so come on man. Thats because people because

879
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: see it. For them to blimish the image of Charlemagne,

880
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: it couldn't have just been one thing. It has to

881
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: be all these little tit bits of things they try

882
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: to amplify. Right, Oh, you built that, bro, you don't

883
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: own it? Well, no, I didn't own it, or I

884
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: don't own one hundred percent of it. It's not just

885
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: me right now, someone like Joe may own one hundred

886
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: percent of this podcast, and you had people that to

887
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: help build it. So that's a weird thing. Let's talk

888
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: in rap terms.

889
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Do you think fifty gave a fuck that he didn't

890
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: own Shady Aftermath?

891
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: Exactly? No, you gonna start g on it, exactly. Pay

892
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: attention to that, Like, what do we talking about it?

893
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: It's just a I'm gonna be honest with you.

894
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: It's just a strange conversation because once again, you know,

895
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: I don't just own one thing. You know, I have

896
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: large ownership stakes and some things small, am.

897
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: But I have a portfolio and these dudes are talking

898
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: to me about a podcast. This is what's strange. You know.

899
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, God blessed, shout out to everybody hustling and

900
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: making their money. But bro, I'm saying that there's kind

901
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: of a different hustle going on that. No, that's one

902
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: of my hustle. That's what I'm saying, Like.

903
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: Think that that's one of my hustles. The podcast that

904
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: I love. I love podcasting. I love the world of podcasting.

905
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, Brandon, if we started ten years ago,

906
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: I got a slew christ More always because Chris told

907
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: me two things that changed my life. Chris told me

908
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: that I need to write a book, which I always

909
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and he told me I need to

910
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: start a podcast. And I was arrogant. I was like,

911
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: start a podcast? Why I do morning radio? And he

912
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: was like, nah, man, I'm telling you man, podcasts is

913
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: gonna be the wave.

914
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: You need to do it.

915
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, it gives you a platform outside of breakfast club.

916
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: You know you're donet have been fired for a time,

917
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, oh, he might be right?

918
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: Who you want?

919
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: Who want to do a podcast with? Let me think

920
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: the ball all the way in Atlanta. You know I

921
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: need somebody you know here in New York. Oh, my guy, Andrew,

922
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: Andrew Funny and Ship. He's smart at Ship. I know Andrew.

923
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I believe Andrew is going to be a star. Let's

924
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: start this podcast early. I didn't see it at first.

925
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: Now it's clear, it's like the fuck he turned that

926
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: into summer. But at first it was like, what is

927
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: Charlemagne doing? And I want to talk about that too,

928
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: because I see, you know, people try to pit me

929
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 1: and Andrew together and I see the play.

930
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: Right, let's called some device, right right, right? Yes, I've

931
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: never looked at Andrew as being beneath me, being smaller than.

932
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: Even when you was the guy. You know why, I

933
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: just I know his talent. Yes, I'm looking at your talent. Yes,

934
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't care about your status.

935
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: You respected this conversation in the same way you're doing

936
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: with me. That's it.

937
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: That's why the podcast has always been The Brilliant Idiots.

938
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: It ain't the Charlamagne to God podcast, you know. And

939
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: I got that name from being I was a guest

940
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: hosting on Bethany Frankels show one time and I said

941
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: something and the crowd started laughing, and Bethany goes, you

942
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: come on this show all the time and you say

943
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the smartest, stupidest things. She was like, You're like a

944
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: brilliant idiot. And I'm like, I know, I know. That's

945
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: the name of the podcast. But that's why it's always

946
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: been the Brilliant Idiots. It's not Charlamage the God. It's

947
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: not Andrew Schultz. I see what he I knew what

948
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: he was capable of back then, and I'm even watching

949
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: him now and I know what he's capable of. In

950
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: the last thirteen years we have we bumped heads absolutely.

951
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, he might check me for something, I check

952
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: him for something.

953
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: It's two males, two men, that's right. We too me

954
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: in like we might say no, I don't want to now,

955
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: that's not like, and we we might have to even

956
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: get mediator. Somebody might have to come in when business

957
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: is involved and try to help me. See when I'm

958
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: not seeing he's saying this, I really don't, you know,

959
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: and so we have to be able to work through that.

960
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: I respect what he's built, Like I said, at first,

961
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: I felt like, all right, I know he gonna be

962
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: okay because Charlamagne got love for him. So I felt like,

963
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: if nothing else, he gonna at least be around Charlotte.

964
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: But then he started to kind of pull away and

965
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: pull up, and I said, oh, that's what Sean Smaller

966
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: was seeing.

967
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: You see you see like the brilliant of this YouTube page,

968
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: we had over a million followers. He turned into the

969
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: andrew to comments started putting his content up to his

970
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: YouTube content.

971
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: He took off.

972
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: And I know people give Schultz a lot of credit.

973
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: Shultz gives a YouTube a lot of credit, and rightfully so.

974
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: But what shults.

975
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: What I be trying to get people to understand is

976
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: look what Scholtz did, same thing Breakfast Club did, same

977
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: thing Looney's doing. We created a space Shultz was on stage.

978
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: He took that content on stage and then use YouTube

979
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: as a platform to get that content. Scene Show Saves

980
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: America when he's doing to turn your camera phone created

981
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: that used YouTube to get that content out, but that

982
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: content can live anywhere. That content ended up on Netflix,

983
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: same exact show. That's what Breakfast Club was doing. We're

984
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: doing recording all our interview and putting that on YouTube.

985
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: Then over time we started recording the whole show. We

986
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: got every interview, every interview that we've ever.

987
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: Done, We got the chat and I can't wait.

988
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to do the Breakfast Club doc

989
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: because that's when all misconceptions get cleared up.

990
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that's when all false narratives.

991
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: I gotta be around for that get cleared up.

992
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 2: At least some editing or something.

993
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: I gotta see that because we literally have every interview

994
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: that we've ever done. The first interview we ever did

995
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: was ray J. Not ray J calling on the phone

996
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: screaming about fave ray J in the studio like that,

997
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Not that one. Our first interview, like our second week

998
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: on was ray J walking in the stud That was

999
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: our first interview ever. That's why I got so much,

1000
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you know love for raj E.

1001
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: You know, I knowing ray J.

1002
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: Since my dad's doing radio on Columbia, South Carolina. But

1003
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: like he been riding with us since.

1004
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: Ray J ray J was down ray jea with shows. Though,

1005
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: did you feel any flak from the culture right that

1006
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: you ain't feel nothing? Not once?

1007
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: Did I ever pay that ship?

1008
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: But you heard it? Did you know what was happening?

1009
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: Like she's next to show shows say some ship that

1010
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: probably they knew it before. Now they get from the comic.

1011
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: He's funny, yeah, during during the he was built during

1012
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: the all right Andy era.

1013
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1014
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: But but but even with that, I was I wasn't

1015
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: frustrated of his political views. I was frustrated that he

1016
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: was forgetting what he was. Your comic and you one

1017
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: of the best comics out here. We all know that

1018
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: because I go to your stand up shows. Every all

1019
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: of us know what you're great as. So why don't

1020
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: don't why you want to do this political pundit? You know,

1021
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: people you know think you Ben Shapiro or somebody like

1022
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I was like I didn't.

1023
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: I wanted him to get back to being who he

1024
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: is because he can still have all of those same

1025
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: views and ideologies.

1026
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: You just do it through.

1027
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what he's doing. That's all was the

1028
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: Trump jokes, and he still is. But it's like, you

1029
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: know what, I think he kind of fell in love

1030
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: at first with that sparring y'all was doing because at first,

1031
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: like when I remember an episode, I don't know what

1032
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: number it was, but y'all was talking about credit, like, man,

1033
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: you got to give people credit, Like all I care

1034
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: about is my credit. Fuck the money. That episode was classic,

1035
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: and right then it changed my perspective on a few things,

1036
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: on relationships being worth more than money, and just in

1037
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: that mode, I think he found interest in real value

1038
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: and enjoyment in seeing you every Tuesday like and coming

1039
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: in there.

1040
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: And I still feel that way.

1041
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: That is my escape. Yes, I love going to do

1042
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: brilliant idiots.

1043
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying that what was so fire yesterday?

1044
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: You said? And he said, all right, let's go what

1045
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: we on? What we like you?

1046
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: That's what I'm like.

1047
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, uh a wax in minister society

1048
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: at this point in my life. You Cole Being said

1049
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: that about some years ago, and when he said it,

1050
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: I laughed, but I really feel that way now. I

1051
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: want to see y'all. Shoot, man, man, I DIDNET did

1052
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: it all that? I Didnet did that?

1053
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: Like?

1054
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: I like seeing y'all because y'all y'all inspired, you know

1055
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1056
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: I want to be sharp like like forget forget edge, right.

1057
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: Anybody can be edgy, everybody being fake edgy nowadays?

1058
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Can you be shocked? Exactly? The only way different.

1059
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: The only way to be sharp is to have other

1060
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: swords around you sharping those swords, whether it's Looney, whether

1061
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: it's Nila, whether it's just hilarious, whether it's Weuisy and many,

1062
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: all these different people, whether it's the eighty five South,

1063
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: all of these people that I love and I admire

1064
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: their content.

1065
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: Happy to be in business with these people.

1066
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: I like watching them in action, Yes, because that ship

1067
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: is inspiring.

1068
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: I remembers watching horrible decisions on the side of the

1069
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: stage and black effect and you was literally like, yo,

1070
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: they smoke the best live showing here they do, Yeah,

1071
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: they do it. We were looking at it just was

1072
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: like hey, And that's what I even respect about Jess

1073
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: is that no matter what, if you are one of us,

1074
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: you're a student, even if you're a general. Even if

1075
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: you're a CEO, you're still a student in these moments

1076
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: and these mods. And I heard just hilarious say, I

1077
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta kind of switch up the show a.

1078
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: Little bit, Just hilarious. It's such a student of the game.

1079
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: People don't even understand how meticulous she is about how

1080
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: she does things, about what she says, because like a

1081
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of us that when I when I look at her,

1082
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: I can see it, like I'm like, oh, I know.

1083
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: What that is.

1084
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: That's that's what I got. That like, that's that's what

1085
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: I had. That Like, that's me right there. Like I

1086
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: can understand her how she makes chaos look easy.

1087
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: But it's organized.

1088
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: It's organized confusions, organized chaos.

1089
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: It ain't mess. It ain't mess. I know, she says,

1090
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: just with the best trust me, it ain't mess.

1091
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: And you don't.

1092
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: Understand that until you see her put together a skit.

1093
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: You don't see that until you see her on stage.

1094
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: I saw her at the MGM Grand National Harvey in Maryland,

1095
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: three thousand people effortlessly killing that shit. No bells, no whistles,

1096
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: no DJ no gimmicks, no stool fucking, just straight jokes, chokes, chokes, chokes, jokes,

1097
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: body and that shit, and what I love about Jess.

1098
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: I've been I watched her progression forever because you know,

1099
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I was going to see Jess at Caroline's

1100
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: Comedy Club. I've always gravitated towards that energy, just watching

1101
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: even her on social media like we always was in Correspondent.

1102
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: That's why during COVID, like Jess, you need to start

1103
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: a podcast. I have to be on her head about

1104
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: doing radio before that. When COVID hit, like everybody at home,

1105
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: you just start a podcasts like bro, what's up, let's

1106
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: let's do it. She ain't always launching black effects. She's

1107
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: just like what you got for me, And it's just

1108
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: like somebody like that. Man, I cannot wait to see

1109
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: where she goes.

1110
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know when you even when you

1111
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 2: see it, like I say, damn, like I was telling

1112
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: you the other day, for women in particular, it is

1113
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: rough in comedy. Then for her to be a black

1114
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: woman then though, for her not to have the bells

1115
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: and whistles, like all of these things that people will

1116
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: say will put at a disadvantage, and she's still being

1117
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 2: able to head to the top of the mountain that's

1118
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: so dope, man.

1119
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: Man, I think, I honestly think, man, I think a

1120
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of the dudes are just starting to catch up

1121
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: with a lot of the talented women in this media space.

1122
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: And I don't even just mean hip hop media. I'm

1123
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: talking about news media, you know, sports media. Like you know,

1124
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: there there was a moment where I always said the

1125
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: best personalities were Angela Raie, Jameel Hill, and Aman the Seals,

1126
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: And I'm just basing that off the conversations exactly that

1127
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: I would hear them have on these platforms. They'd be

1128
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: smoking shit, you know what I mean. And you know,

1129
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: of course you got the eighty five South Show, you

1130
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like, like you said, you're

1131
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: relatively new two three years. Like, it's like it's like

1132
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: women have been.

1133
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: Killing this ship in the media space for the long.

1134
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: It's like, even when it's great too, when you talk

1135
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: about the just Alaris, the counterpart of that has always

1136
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 1: been a DC young flyer because both of them came

1137
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: up through SOPE and they all started doing the same

1138
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: things television, movies, you know, podcast, all of that type

1139
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: of shit. So it's just like I feel like, right

1140
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: now you're starting to see a lot of men catch

1141
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: up to a.

1142
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: Lot of women.

1143
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: But I think one of the reasons that a lot

1144
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: of the men, you know, weren't on par with a

1145
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: lot of the women, was because like a lot of

1146
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: the men were mimicking each other.

1147
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: Yes, as soon as they find something that's working, do

1148
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: go do that, do that. That's what's working right, and

1149
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: then you know, I find it interesting with the women

1150
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: hip hop is that it seems like that due to

1151
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: the competition that has a roles in female hip hop,

1152
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: they're blessing more youngsters. Example, if you get a hot

1153
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: song and it gets the bubbling, one of those girls

1154
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: are gonna jump on it before the other girl jumps

1155
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: on it, like say you a glow really and you're

1156
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: coming up with the one of those girls are gonna say,

1157
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: ah huh, that's me. I'm on that one. But you know,

1158
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: cause they know they pulling them, they all pulling us.

1159
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: Luthor Cardy M. Cardi shifted that card are using that

1160
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: influence to Cardi shifted that in the coaching And I

1161
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that till you said it just now.

1162
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: But Cardi shifted that in the coaching because Cardi made

1163
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: it to where you know, you the o G. You

1164
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: the person that's made all the money, you sold, all

1165
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: the records, but you have no problem putting your arm

1166
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: around that next person. So whether it and in fear

1167
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: of it, I'm seeing other people like get that for

1168
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: for she, get on it.

1169
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even know if it's fear or

1170
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: you know what, that's what I should be right, Well, yeah,

1171
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you come but you come off as a hater.

1172
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: If if every time it got to be that one

1173
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: person that they look like they save in the world,

1174
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: you know, so it's like, nah, I'm gonna jump on

1175
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: this one. I got this one that's you know, for she,

1176
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: And it's like they're building this alliances, you know, or

1177
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: something happened.

1178
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: Cardy did for female rap with with jay Z and

1179
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: and Drake, did you know what I mean?

1180
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 2: Like jay Z whoever that.

1181
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: Whatever that next thing was out, jay Z was jumping

1182
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: on whether it was juvenile huh, whether it was using,

1183
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: whether it was Rick Rock, whoever it was, Jay was

1184
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: jumping on that with em.

1185
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: Like whatever it was, Jay was on it, you know

1186
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. They was jumping fifty cent you know

1187
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: what I mean, whatever it was, Jay.

1188
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: Was jumping on it. And then Drake did the same thing.

1189
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: Drake did it with Drake did it with lesser known artists. Yes,

1190
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: so Drake.

1191
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 2: Would actually bought JB stuff like that. What Drake did

1192
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: was make the record big.

1193
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: I think what Jay did with those Coach signs, he

1194
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: made the artists big. When Jay jumped on Crazy Remix.

1195
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: When Jay jumped on The Boys Go Crazy Remix with

1196
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: with Jez, people start looking at g You hear him

1197
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: on Rick Ross Hustling Remix, start looking at it.

1198
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: It's a little bit different, you know what I mean.

1199
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: You said him jump on.

1200
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: It's like, damn, maybe I gotta start taking this down

1201
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: South music.

1202
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: That's a great point, more serious. But I feel like

1203
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: he made those artists big. I feel like Drake.

1204
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: Made That's a great point.

1205
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: I think Cardi's doing both make the artist big and

1206
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: she's helping to make the music big because Cardis just

1207
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: don't do the verse.

1208
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: The video video she go live, go Live with them,

1209
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: talk about.

1210
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: How yo this this that motherfucker tweet about him, Like

1211
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do?

1212
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: Man?

1213
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: Some ship one time? Man, I stick by this represent

1214
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: your people ship like it's your own.

1215
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm gonna do you that I'm gonna

1216
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: represent my people every time, every time I'm in business

1217
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: with them or not.

1218
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: You know That's what when you.

1219
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: Was out there, You're like, Yo, they got the black effake?

1220
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: You want to sit in the logo? I'm like, no,

1221
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: leave it up, Like that's what this ship is about.

1222
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Ain't no need like bro,

1223
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: when we we it ain't always just about loan if

1224
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: and anything like that is uncomfortable for me, like because

1225
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: I'm from the street where it's always about hey, hey mamma,

1226
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: them need some money. They how you doing? How you feeling?

1227
00:54:59,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Loon?

1228
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: Are you mother? Asked? Nothing? But can you bail us out?

1229
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: Every time? Can you bail us out? So I'm cognizant

1230
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: of like being a person in a relationship that's not

1231
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: just taken. I'm so cognizant of that man, because I

1232
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to be took from you

1233
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I don't know if it's trauma

1234
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 2: or what, but I try not to be someone that's

1235
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 2: overbearing and overwhelming with what they really call networking. And

1236
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: that's why I think I have to be way more

1237
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: talented than these guys, because I can't network in the

1238
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: way they net.

1239
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: You a great network alone. I watch you in these rooms.

1240
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: I watch you have conversations with people. I watch you

1241
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: ask questions. Like I'm not an expert at anything. It's

1242
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: got some experiences. I got people around me that's way

1243
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: smarter than me that I can lean on to make

1244
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: sure that not only am I getting treated correctly, I

1245
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: can treat everybody around me correctly because I know what

1246
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: I want and I know what I want my people

1247
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: to have. Now let's make sure that they got it.

1248
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1249
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: When we put these contracts in front of all this stuff,

1250
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: y'all to go get your own.

1251
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: Life to make sure. But I told you in this

1252
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1253
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: But it's like, Yo, you're a great conversational listen. I

1254
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: mean you're a great networker. That's all this game is

1255
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: about asking questions. I'm not boxing nobody out. I'm not

1256
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: building a wall around myself. Yes, and I don't want,

1257
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, to build a wall around anything. I want

1258
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: to be able to have access to all of these

1259
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: different people. I'm the person that if I'm on the

1260
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: plane and I'm sitting next to somebody, in my mind,

1261
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking why we're sharing space.

1262
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: If that person says hi to me or hello, even

1263
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: if they.

1264
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: Don't know who I am, I'm gonna speak yes, and

1265
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have conversations because a lot of some of

1266
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: my best encounters happen on planes because I'm sitting on

1267
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: the plane and people will walk on the plane and

1268
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: they're showing me love, and that person sitting next to.

1269
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: Me like, who are ward up?

1270
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like if they don't know,

1271
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: they like, know what do you do?

1272
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: You know how many dope ass plays I've gotten just

1273
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: by opening my mouth having conversations with a person sharing

1274
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: space with me, Like while I'm being there mean mugging,

1275
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Plus the way my anxiety work,

1276
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: I got to make sure you're not to shoot it

1277
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: for sure. I got that let me, Yeah, walk into

1278
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: a building and it's just one person that I speak to.

1279
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: Everybody and me too. If you want to mix you,

1280
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I want to see who chicking temperature? I need to

1281
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: check temperatures. I'm just like that everybody. I acknowledge how

1282
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: you doing?

1283
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Man? What saw you? Yeah? I gotta make sure I'm

1284
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: checking everything around here because I trust me. But I'm

1285
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: not sure about the rest of the world, and I

1286
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: don't Again, I don't know if that's paranoia, but that's

1287
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: how I have to move, you know, do you say,

1288
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: and we'll get out of here about five minutes with

1289
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: with I want to ask you this about about button though.

1290
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: When Joe Budden first started a couple of his shows,

1291
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: he came and got you to pull up I'm sorry

1292
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 2: the yeah, the pull up he got casting over you

1293
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: wain no main o, a bunch of stuff like that,

1294
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: and then you own this podcast in the beginning for

1295
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 2: him to take the kind of shots that he took.

1296
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: Did that disappoint you at all? No, you didn't. It

1297
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: did feel like nothing, not even a little bit. Yeah,

1298
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: I mean, but you tried to help him. Once you

1299
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: consider that me trying to help him. I got my book,

1300
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: like you came to the podcast with your book, like

1301
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: when this is when you're popping number one best seller,

1302
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: like and you sharing space with the guy saying no,

1303
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: his podcast is dope.

1304
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's never There's never been a time

1305
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: I've had a platform that he hasn't been on.

1306
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I can think back.

1307
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean the first time I ever met him, I

1308
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: was doing radio in Columbia, South Carolina on hot.

1309
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: One three nine. That's what I'm saying.

1310
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: And somebody called the hotline and was like, hey, you

1311
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: want to come.

1312
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: To the show.

1313
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh word, I didn't know him, but he

1314
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: came to the show. I actually got that recorded too,

1315
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: like I have that audio.

1316
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: That's dope.

1317
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: And then you know Breakfast Club. He's on Breakfast Club

1318
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: way back. That's what I'm saying though, uncommon sense, way

1319
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: back when I was when I when I executive produced

1320
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: the Hottest MC Show had him on there.

1321
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: Brilliant idiots had him on there, like have you detested

1322
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: yourself from disappointment? So as a cancer dude, it's like,

1323
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: do you even see that as ample find a helping

1324
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: him when when he was in those molds to start?

1325
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: You understand your voice power. I didn't even look at

1326
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: it like that. So you but you do understand Breakfast

1327
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: Club has power. You understand your voice has power. You

1328
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: understand when you sit next to me and say, Loan's

1329
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: a great podcast to what that does for the market.

1330
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: But I have no problem sharing space with folks. So

1331
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: it's like, if you got an album to promote, or

1332
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: you got something you want to talk about and you

1333
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: want to come on our platform, because I've always said

1334
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: Birkfast Club is the people's platform. If you want to

1335
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: come on that platform and discuss it. Cool. You know,

1336
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: even when you know he was on Uncommon Sense, I

1337
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: think he was on there because that was the time.

1338
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: I want to see him and him and Drake was

1339
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: getting into it like that. I think that. I think

1340
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: that's when he was. I don't know if he was

1341
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: chasing Drake with the Rocks. I don't know if that

1342
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: was just around the same time and feels like it was.

1343
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, if you can't be used, you're useless.

1344
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: So everybody's using each other some.

1345
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: Transaction.

1346
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you using the platform. Yeah, I'm using the content

1347
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: the story. That story is the content for the week.

1348
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: But you know, I felt like you went a little extra.

1349
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: I felt like you was actually saying and it may

1350
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: be just this is what I felt at the time.

1351
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: I felt like, he's a good podcast, he's good on

1352
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: the mic. So I said it it wasn't any Maybe

1353
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: you didn't look at it like I'm trying to amplify.

1354
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help this guy like position in the market,

1355
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: because that's how I took it from the outside like,

1356
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I didn't even think about it, Like yeah,

1357
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, when you pull up the pull up

1358
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: and you pull up to his show and you decide

1359
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: to do the year end thing with him, when he's

1360
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: in a position where the podcast is not it wasn't established.

1361
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: You were well off, established in the market. Breakfast Club

1362
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: was doing crazy numbers. Your book was number one best

1363
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: seller several weeks. That's what I'm saying. So it's like

1364
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: for me to sit next to you and say, Yo,

1365
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: this guy's He's coming man podcast. Dope. You would on

1366
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: ass all the time, be like y'all listen to I

1367
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: like Joe Budden podcast. And it's like, where did it

1368
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: go wrong with you? Guys? I mean, I don't know.

1369
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't.

1370
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't care. It's like

1371
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: like life, like let me see, let me think when

1372
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: did it?

1373
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: Was it the Spotify negotiation? It was definitely wrong. I

1374
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: think he crashed out. I think he crashed a lot

1375
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: of his relationships out based on people saying, Yo, you

1376
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: might have handled that wrong.

1377
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I love that. I'm gonna tell you why.

1378
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: I love that.

1379
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: Now you're making me thinking I have to think back

1380
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: on it. The reason I love that is because, yeah,

1381
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: he was going through that. And then him and I

1382
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: had a conversation on the phone after I made my

1383
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: comments on the air, right well, I think my comments

1384
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: was something like, you know, I think he understands his value,

1385
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: but he may not know how to properly negotiate it, right,

1386
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: And so me and him had a conversation and I

1387
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: was explaining to him why those the Bill Simmons of

1388
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: the world, you know, they why they got the money,

1389
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: they warrant that money. You know what I'm saying, It's

1390
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: because they got a network. You know, you can't Joe

1391
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: Rogan is an anomaly. You can't even look at this

1392
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: man was getting a hundred million downloads a month.

1393
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: He's still getting an exclusive contract getting eleven million, That's

1394
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1395
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: At one point he was getting a hundred million download

1396
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: a Mutton Audio. If you know anything about the podcast

1397
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: audio space, you know how.

1398
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: Ridiculous that that's carrying a whole organization.

1399
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And then his videos on YouTube,

1400
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: he was getting billions of views. He gave Spotify the

1401
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: exclusive rights to his videos, so that's it's just a

1402
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: different But let's look at the networks. The reason the

1403
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: network he's getting getting this money is because they have

1404
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: actual networks. Bill Simmons had seven to eight successful shows

1405
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: already under him. Now, I didn't tell him what the

1406
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: player I was about to do. I'm just explaining to

1407
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: him what warrants the money, what warrants the money? And

1408
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, I remember he put out a tweet and

1409
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: the tweet was like he said, Charlottage, I am a network.

1410
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: We'll talk or something like that.

1411
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: Cool. And so he went on.

1412
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: His podcast and he put the picture of of me,

1413
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: me and him, and he said we are not the same.

1414
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: And I was like, I didn't I didn't even know

1415
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: that had to be said.

1416
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, he put we are not the same.

1417
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: And then he went in on me and I was like, dope, no, no, no, no,

1418
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: no no no. I'll tell you the reason I said

1419
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: dope because we were announcing Black Effect that Tuesday. Like

1420
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: I already had my man Justin Richburg, who did the

1421
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: wall here in the Breakfast Club, he had already did

1422
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: our trailer. He already did our trailer for the for

1423
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: the Black Effect. With all the shows we already had

1424
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: on it. Everybody was already signed up. We had we

1425
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: already had our partnerships and everything from Drink Champs to

1426
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: All the Smoke, the eighty five South Hilarious, to my

1427
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: girls from South Carolina to We Talked Back podcast Glasses

1428
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: Malone like hard just sit like we was already ready

1429
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: to go.

1430
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: So I was just like, well.

1431
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: I remember I remember hitting the hitting Dolly and hitting

1432
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: my peoples, and like.

1433
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: We just got some great promo in marketing.

1434
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: And because you know, we live in this era where

1435
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: people think that's a reaction, like so you really think

1436
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: I put together a podcast network in.

1437
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: Three days, that's and that's what we were going to

1438
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: talk about. You can't do that and did that. I

1439
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: even seen him try to and we'll get not say him.

1440
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: I even seen some people try to say that it

1441
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: was just a press release, it wasn't a thing. Well,

1442
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: we're looking at it, and I got I'm telling you,

1443
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: I've been paid. My check is clear, loon.

1444
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: The press release came out with the logo like it

1445
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: was already it's already an LLC.

1446
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: And since that day, I want to be clear that

1447
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: you've been rolling. And I also want to be clear

1448
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: to the fans is watching lou I'm not being biased

1449
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: because I'm in business with Charlemagne. He's my friend. I'm

1450
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: telling you the actual information that I have obtained is right.

1451
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: There is documents.

1452
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that if people just go just

1453
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: go back and look, it's documented, so it's all it's

1454
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: all right there.

1455
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: You can see it. You know. But but because you know,

1456
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: when that Spotify thing happened, I think he went that

1457
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: Van he said Van called him, I think, and he

1458
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: was talking about somebody made a Spotify play like it was.

1459
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: I just think his response to the Spotify thing crashed

1460
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: out a lot of his friendships and his old podcast.

1461
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like it damned it. It seems like it

1462
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: did a lot, you know, And I've always wanted to know,

1463
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people want to know

1464
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: your feelings towards some of those things. When he takes

1465
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: shots and goes at you and things like that.

1466
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: It don't bother me in no way shape befo him.

1467
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: Like I really appreciated that first podcast shot because it's

1468
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: set up black of Flack effect and made everything a

1469
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: much larger conversation. And then you know, the next week

1470
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: was him shooting that he now, I gotta shoot this down.

1471
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: Now, I gotta try to.

1472
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: Shoot on the phone all that ship like that. But

1473
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: then also what people don't know is he texted me

1474
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: that Sunday can we go to brunch. I'm like, this

1475
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: Sunday is family day. We can get on FaceTime, we face.

1476
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the last time we spoke. We had

1477
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: a FaceTime that day and I think that's the last

1478
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: time we and didnt he came That's the last time

1479
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: we spent He came back one time. I text him

1480
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: good morning.

1481
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: He ain't answer my text. I member be said that

1482
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: what you done went out? This is what I said

1483
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: about the industry ship. It's so fucked you're gonna go

1484
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: do all of that, and then takes me good morning.

1485
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: Maybe I think you know what. I remember that Sunday.

1486
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I remember the good morning. I was a good morning text,

1487
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: but it's like, yo, can we go to brunch? And

1488
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all can't do brunch. Today's family day. And

1489
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: then like as we can get on the FaceTime that

1490
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: we had a FaceTime that day and I'm not even

1491
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna say what we spoke about, but it wasn't any

1492
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: any of this.

1493
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it wasn't any

1494
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't any of this.

1495
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he know, he know what the conversation was about.

1496
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: And I'm going with that. Yeah, because at the end

1497
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: of the day.

1498
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna always be here.

1499
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: To assist those who who who who may need it.

1500
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: If if I feel and it's another time. Yeah. It's

1501
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: another thing too that people have to understand. Charlemagne is

1502
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: not obligated to do anything. Loan, not obligate Wallow, none

1503
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: of it. I seen Wallow post something the other day

1504
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: that I think it's paramount. It is monumental. You don't

1505
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: have to answer every call, you don't have to be

1506
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 2: available for every text, every meeting, every this every day.

1507
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: I may need time to myself, to focus on me, because,

1508
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: like you said earlier, I'm nothing to you if I'm

1509
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: not at my best self.

1510
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: And yo, man, all these people you naming Wallow, gilly Van,

1511
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: he's my friend, yes, like the people at the top

1512
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: were not collaborating when I see when when I when

1513
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: I was on a million dollars worth a game and

1514
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: you you've probably seen the same thing I seen.

1515
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: When Wyloa shows me that. Whoo, bro, I'm happy for you.

1516
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: By the way. By the way, I already knew that

1517
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: because I'm in that. I'm in that world.

1518
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: So I'm listening to me When when when when the

1519
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: executives and everybody's calling, because that's another thing, and I'm

1520
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna get his I'm gonna get his jewel to people.

1521
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: You know, when you're in a.

1522
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: Certain space, there will be other people who will call

1523
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: you in that space and ask you and you think

1524
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: such and such.

1525
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: Is worth this, Yo? Can you if you're if you're

1526
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: really doing good business? Yo, how much can you?

1527
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: How much did this person gett how much did you

1528
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: pay that person?

1529
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 2: Right?

1530
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes that's that's how executives should talk,

1531
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because because no, yo, nah,

1532
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: they deserve that. If we had that to get him

1533
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: they we would give it to us, you know what

1534
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: I mean? Like if you better lock that down, Like

1535
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: that's that's culture right there.

1536
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: Right.

1537
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: So when I see Wall and Gilly getting that and

1538
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: I say that they're the highest paid black podcast is

1539
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: it's because they are I know what people are getting,

1540
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: not saying everybody not making millions, but their value the

1541
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: barstool is totally different for a number reasons, a number

1542
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: of reasons that we could get into, right, but they

1543
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: got what they got. And why am I not going

1544
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: to celebrate that? And am I not going to salute that?

1545
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: Why would you? Why would I?

1546
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 3: Why would I be angry about that in any way?

1547
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 2: And what was the backlash about? Like why were people

1548
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: saying like why would people? Joe was mad like some

1549
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 2: shots tooking, but he went to you And in my opinion,

1550
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, Wallows my guy. Gilly's my guy. But Gilly

1551
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: the one that said, Yo, don't compare us to no nigga.

1552
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: That ain't stopping. They show reading ads again, letting the

1553
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: youngsters know, this is the value in the pard. It

1554
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: ain't sitting here with my friends talking. And that's what

1555
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: they've tricked a lot of these guys into thinking, all

1556
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: you gotta do, get your mic, sit with your friends

1557
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 2: and talk.

1558
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: And he's about paid subscriptions or ad revenue.

1559
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: So when you said that, and and and Summer culture

1560
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: reacted like in that way, did you what did They

1561
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: didn't even really see it? Oh you did? Yeah, I

1562
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: didn't even really see it.

1563
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: See my girls Ni land tie tieing with me for

1564
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: so long but I didn't even see it, Like, I mean,

1565
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't see it, and stuff like that I

1566
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: don't even care about because it was just it was

1567
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: just noise again, a lot of no I'm glad that

1568
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: you stayed away from the noise. LOONA put me on

1569
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: or somebody will call me and say such, I mean,

1570
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: like what, I don't care.

1571
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: What what's up? Man? What else we got going on?

1572
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: We get to the b because none of that means nothing.

1573
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,480
Speaker 1: Everybody got content to feel on their podcast.

1574
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: Give me your top five parts in the space.

1575
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's the That's a tough question because you

1576
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: know when we say in the space, immediately you think black, right,

1577
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: But are we talking hip hop?

1578
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: Are we talking black?

1579
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: We can go both because it's so let's go, let's go.

1580
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: God damn.

1581
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: The pivot and they're not even all black effects pivots dope.

1582
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: I am athlete with Brandon Marshall. They not even a

1583
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: black dope. That's my brother eighty five South show people

1584
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: a million dollars worth a game wallowing gillyis too.

1585
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: That's a lot boy.

1586
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, who would I put ah?

1587
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: Who would I put? Five? I mean, I think I

1588
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 2: would have to go. I like just hilarious a lot,

1589
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1590
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: I love horrible decisions too, though, but I like just

1591
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: hilarious a lot because you get to see a sided

1592
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: I can't.

1593
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: I can't say a different side of just.

1594
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: Because she've been doing it long enough that you know

1595
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: you should know that side exactly. But you know she's

1596
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: not just being a comic on that. She's giving real

1597
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: life advice. But then I love this up there. We talked, Okay,

1598
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do hip hop. If I do hip hop media,

1599
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's up there podcasts. They mightn't even

1600
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: say all the smokes. You know what I'm saying.

1601
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: I didn't, now you didn't. That's what I'm saying. All

1602
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: the smoke, no smoking hip hop though. That's right. But

1603
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: that's in the pivot, the one with you. Damn.

1604
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: Athletes are having some of the alee to having some

1605
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: of the best podcasts like From From the Map, Bonds

1606
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: and Stephen Jackson's, Brandon Marshalls, pac Man and Bryan and

1607
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: Fred and Channing hip hop media Space. I'm gonna say

1608
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: the best podcasts are.

1609
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:55,959
Speaker 2: Drink Champs.

1610
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: It's up there podcasts.

1611
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: Damn.

1612
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of people that I know our audio.

1613
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to stay away from the people that do

1614
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: more video than anything.

1615
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: That's that's that's what I got.

1616
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: Honestly, drink Champs and it's up there podcast.

1617
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: Who I'm missing? I don't know. I don't, I don't.

1618
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean unless you can't. I said, million dollars

1619
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: with a game already, I guess you think about million

1620
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: dolls a game that's so ill. It's the same thing

1621
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: with all of us. Yeah, we are hip hop, but

1622
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: we're not. We're moving outside.

1623
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: We were men.

1624
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: We talk about real issues like you can go watch

1625
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: Wallow try to save.

1626
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: All these young brothers lines.

1627
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, think about the stuff

1628
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: he told thug stuff he told pool, shisty stuff he

1629
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: told King Vaughan.

1630
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 3: To me, that's bigger than yes hip hop. That's a

1631
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: real O G.

1632
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: That that's game. I ain't hating on you. And they

1633
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: showing that, Yo, there's no.

1634
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: Age limit this. Yes, you know what I'm saying. They're

1635
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: showing you that that there's.

1636
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 2: No age because they ain't chickens. Yeah and they did

1637
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: twenty years. They're not trying to ask y'ah. They saying enough.

1638
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: They putting that strong game. They ain't trying to run

1639
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: from that, you know what I'm saying. So I respect

1640
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: Waller and get it a lot. I think, like you said,

1641
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: they warn't they warn't a lot of the market share

1642
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: and they're doing a great job. Who Lake keV? keV

1643
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: is cool?

1644
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 3: I got Kevin?

1645
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: My like hip hop podcast, got us, gotta got us

1646
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: a little blue leg cap got you?

1647
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: Do you check out any this last question, what do

1648
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: you think about because I seen the re emerging of

1649
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: an old clip with you and show it's about Rogan

1650
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 2: and Breakfast Club. At that time, it was a different conversation. Uh,

1651
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 2: the market was a little different. What what's your updated

1652
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: perspective on.

1653
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: That it's the same and what I meant by that

1654
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: when I said it was Joe Rogan, Luthor Rogan.

1655
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: I love Rogan.

1656
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: He's a podcast, a massive, massive podcast. You know, he's

1657
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: a pot.

1658
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1659
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: I don't think he was behind to pay weall at

1660
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: that point. I think he was still on YouTube. And

1661
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: at the time, if you look at our YouTube numbers,

1662
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: we both were Breakfast Club and Joe Rogan both had

1663
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: eight plus YouTube scored I pulled him.

1664
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: I remember that.

1665
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he had and I'm probably fucking this

1666
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 1: up right now. He had more, he had more subscribers,

1667
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: but we had more views.

1668
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: I believe one of the other it was clipped one

1669
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: of the one of those.

1670
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: I think he had more subscribers, but we had more views.

1671
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: But also, to go back to what I said at

1672
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast, Breakfast Club is a daily

1673
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: morning radio.

1674
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: Show with eight YouTube space.

1675
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: Yes, it's confuting, and we're a podcast that comes out

1676
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: in fifteen to twenty million downloads a month, and we're

1677
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: on social media and we're on YouTube.

1678
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: You know, Rogan's reach is crazy.

1679
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying from a strictly numbers games just just

1680
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: availability everyone else. That's it.

1681
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 1: But like and listen whenever Rogan gets mentioned in something

1682
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: charlamagas you know what I mean, like like me and

1683
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: and the times me and Rogan have had conversations about

1684
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: content and stuff like that, it's a it's a it's

1685
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: a very mutual respect.

1686
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: Right he No, he Yeah, Rogan, Rogan knows the business.

1687
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 2: He respects I know, he respects you know what you've done.

1688
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: And I didn't even mean that in the disrespectful way.

1689
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to tell people that, you know, there's

1690
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: so many different avenues and so many different lanes that

1691
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: breakfast club, occupy, occupier, you know what I'm saying. And

1692
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: and and Rogan's space is massive, still is still is

1693
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: still his massive.

1694
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 2: But you know, that's just how I felt on the

1695
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: podcast he got he kind of got that on lot.

1696
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: It's it's also interesting to see Schultz kind of go

1697
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: in in that world and in that world right in

1698
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: that world with Rogan, in that world with Charlemagne, and

1699
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 2: neither one of y'all are affected by his you know,

1700
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: his participation on both sides. It's a lot of ego

1701
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,440
Speaker 2: in this game.

1702
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: Though, Shows has Shows has masterfully you know, maneuver created

1703
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: his his situation. He's done exactly what you're supposed to do.

1704
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: I love that.

1705
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: I love Shows. Love what Diez Merril did when they

1706
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: was together, you know what I mean. Like I love

1707
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: seeing people you know that I fucked with early on

1708
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: become these things Like you know, I love back in

1709
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: the day when we was on Uncommon Sense and we

1710
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: used to have Callos and Chico and DC on that. Man,

1711
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: it don't nothing bring me eighty five South show Booming

1712
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: This mother fuck my girl. Zori Hall Zuri was my

1713
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: original co host on Uncommon Sense, she E News Now

1714
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: and all that. You know what I mean, Like I'm

1715
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: love seeing that ship. Like that's my dead podcast on

1716
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: Black Too called a Hot Happy Mess. But that's my

1717
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: that's my girl, that's that's family.

1718
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: Like I I.

1719
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 1: Sincerely cherished my relationship and it's so dope and I

1720
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: keep my face called clean, you know, for that reason,

1721
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I want to be able

1722
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: when I launched something, to be able to pick up

1723
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: the phone and say I need this.

1724
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: I gotta play for you, and they want to fuck

1725
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: with me, you know what I mean. Like it's not

1726
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: because I tell you Wallow, because I Wallow is somebody

1727
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: I went to because you know, I got I had

1728
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: a lot of deals on the table from different places.

1729
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: One of them was seven figures, but it was it

1730
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: was it was more of an ownership type of play.

1731
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: And and then and I hit Wallow and I want

1732
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: to spend some time with him, just like, man, I'm

1733
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: kind of confused. I don't know what to do. He's like, bro,

1734
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: Charlemagne won't miss Like if Charlemagne say something he will

1735
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: not miss Look at Dolly. This is Dolly calling right

1736
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 2: here with Charloah. Hold on and put your own speaker.

1737
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 3: Dollar dollar, Dollary, my baby, don't talk no business.

1738
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: We recorded, Yeah, we recording. He'll call you right back

1739
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 2: to finish the wrap up in five minutes. All right.

1740
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: That is Dollary, the president of the Black Effect Podcast Network,

1741
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: hitting hitting me up, but being my longtime friend who

1742
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: I used to sit in the MTV building with and

1743
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: watch her in the edit room editing a wildn Out

1744
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: episode when she was a producer on wild'n Out, and like,

1745
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: that's that's that's my that's my sister. Like that's somebody

1746
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: like you roll with her like a mother. That's with

1747
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: your family. That's my mama.

1748
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 2: Loved that, even if it's five cars trailing now down right, like.

1749
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: My mama loved that's like that's family, family in a

1750
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 3: real way.

1751
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's what it's about, right, seeing somebody and saying

1752
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: that's a boss, like that's she's a total ball.

1753
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: Now Nick Nick had her boss up to you know

1754
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1755
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: She was Nick canas assistant and then she became but

1756
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: it's like, yo, I'm about to start this situation, and

1757
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be one hundred million dollars play

1758
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: one day. That's who I need running this network. So

1759
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 1: Black Effect would not have the success that we're if

1760
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't for that.

1761
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: You see that, that's she's calling me like she's trying

1762
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 2: to get something straight. She can easily have somebody to

1763
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: reach out the mess, right right, She like, That's why

1764
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 2: I need people to understand behind the scenes, it's really

1765
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 2: working over a Black Effect. This is live, this isn't playing.

1766
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: That's right, Like that's the president calling.

1767
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: When I did my first cover for Black Effect, I

1768
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: think it was all two years and Black Enterprise, which

1769
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: I loved because it's Black Enterprise. Black Enterprise wanted to

1770
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: put us on their digital cover and I'm like, hell yeah,

1771
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: we want to put me. I'm like, well, got to

1772
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: be me and Dolly. Ain't no other way I'm not

1773
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: doing it. That's so if it ain't me and Dolly,

1774
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: that's so dope. She the one that make this ship go.

1775
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: Plus thats just it looks powerful. This is a it's

1776
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: a black woman running the Black Effect podcast network. I mean,

1777
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: because she's always been great with talent because of what

1778
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: she does on wild'n now and you know the shows

1779
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: that she's executive produced being assistance to Nick Cannon, you

1780
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And other people it's like, yeah,

1781
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do, because this is what we're

1782
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: showing y'all for the next twenty years.

1783
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: This is what it's gonna be.

1784
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: I love I love seeing Desiree Perez president of Rock Nation, Like,

1785
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: that's what.

1786
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: You do, that's what that's what you're supposed to do.

1787
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: Position you're getting these positions, you put your people in

1788
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: position because your people are going to be the one.

1789
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: If you already got people that are keeping your life together, right,

1790
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: the people that you lean on, they the pillars in

1791
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: your life.

1792
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 3: If they already doing that on a personal level, while

1793
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 3: you man, that.

1794
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 2: Makes so much sense if it came up and you

1795
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 2: can give them the tools though, that's right, right, you

1796
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: can also put them in position to be the overseer

1797
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: over a lot of these people that have the tools,

1798
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: because I know my best interest lives with you, that's right, right.

1799
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: So if you watch the people that's watching the food

1800
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: and just make sure you don't smell it burn, you

1801
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: might not know how to cook it.