1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number two 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty and Tay in the show, I'm joined 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: by outdoor writer, author in d I Y Public and 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: pressured land deer hunter John Eberhart, and we're discussing a 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: bunch of different interesting strategies and tools for becoming a 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: more mobile deer hunter. All right, welcome back to the 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. And 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: today on the show, we've got John Eberhart back with 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: us again. And I mentioned this on previous episodes that 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: we've done with him, but if you're new, I do 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: think this is worth saying again. You know, John has 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: been possibly the most important influence on me as a hunter. 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: He is a writer in Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: He's the host of a web video series for them. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: He's the co author of books such as Bow Hunting 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Pressured white Tails, Precision bow Hunting, and Bow Hunting White 20 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Tails eber heart Way. He has a series of DVDs. 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: He puts on white Tailed workshops in Michigan, and he's 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: just widely considered one of the most successful and well 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: known d I Y deer hunters on pressured land or 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: public land. And for me, it was a light switch 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: moment when I picked up his book that's called Precision 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: Bow Hunt, and when I picked that up and read 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: it somewhere around it a little over a decade ago, 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: I think it just changed things for me. And I've 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: been on this very different, much more successful trajectory ever 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: since then. So would that being the case. I'm always 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: excited to have him on the podcast and to share 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: his experiences with you guys, and today it's no different. 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: We're diving into one particular aspect of his hunting kind 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: of repertoire, which is this idea of being a mobile hunter. 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: And it's something that Dan and I am previous guests, 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: have talked about a lot in the past, but but 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: John is a master of this, so I wanted to 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: pick his brain a bit about this today, about you know, 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: why being mobile and agile and adaptable as a deer 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: hunter is so important. And when I say this, I 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: don't mean, you know, being agile in the tree. I 42 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: mean being mobile or agile, as in your ability to 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: hunt different places, to move from location to location, to 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: be able adapt based off of new intel or scouting 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: or observation. So in today's episode, I'm grilling John on 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: this topic. I pick his brain about his two thousand 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: and seventeen hunting season, and we end up focusing in 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: particular on a tool he uses to be a more 49 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: effective mobile deer hunter, which is a tree saddle. Now 50 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: really quick, if you're not familiar. Essentially this this tree 51 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: saddle or sling or harness, whatever you wanna call it, 52 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: it's it's an alternative to a tree stand. Essentially, it 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: allows you to hang from the tree in this type 54 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of harness without needing to have a pre set up 55 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: tree standard having to tote hang on stand or climbing 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: stand around with you when you're trying to hunt new spots. 57 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: So it's a really intriguing option for anybody who wants 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: to hunt a lot of different locations or new property 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: or public land, etcetera, etcetera. So we dive into that stuff. 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Very interesting. I'm excited for you to hear, so I 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: think we should probably just get right to it. So 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: we will take a very quick break here to thank 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: our partners at Onyx, and then we will move on 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: to the rest of the show, so quickly here. If 65 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: you're not familiar with Onyx, they produce a hunting GPS 66 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: app and GPS chips that provide detailed digital maps for hunters. 67 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: These include property lines and owner information, public land borders 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: and designations, topo lines, satellite imagery, just about anything you 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: would want to see from a hunting perspective. And right 70 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: now I'm in the process of planning my two thousand 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: eighteen Montana whitetail hunt, for which I'm actually gonna be 72 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: returning to a spot that I found last year using 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: the Onyx app. Not to do that, I just pulled 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: up Onyx and I looked at maps for the area 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: I generally knew I wanted to focus on, and I 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: overlaid the public and private land borders and satellite imagery, 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: and then I looked at this river corridor that I 78 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: wanted to hunt and just scrolled along the map until 79 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: I found different pieces of public land that intersected with 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: the quality cover along the river. From there, I put 81 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: together this list of the best looking spots, and I 82 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: then got property owner names and addresses for the adjacent 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: private land. So when I made it there to Montana 84 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: in September, I was able to drive around the back 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: roads take a look at these properties, you know, in person, 86 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: and then I actually went and chatted with some of 87 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: the neighboring landowners based off of the information I got 88 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: from Onyx. And this ended up being crucially important because 89 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: it led to some permission to cross private land access 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: some of this hard to get to public land, and 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: then the spring, it led to shed hunting permission. And 92 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: if you listen to my episodes the spring, you know 93 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: that my Montana shed hunting went very well. And uh, 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: none of that would have happened if it wasn't for 95 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: the app that I used to locate these areas. So 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: if you're interested in learning more about Onyx yourself, you 97 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: can visit onyx maps dot com or search for Onyx 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: on your phone's app store. So with that said, then 99 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: let's get right to the show and get chatting with 100 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: John Eberhart. All right, we're back today with John Eberhardt. 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: And John, you've been on the show twice before, so 102 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: thanks now for making it lucky number three. Mark. I 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: am grateful for the opportunity. Thank you very much. Hey, 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: it's my it's my pleasure. I've said it many times before, 105 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: but I've always been able to point to you as 106 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: being one of the most important influences on me as 107 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: a deer hunter. So so it's it's always a treat 108 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: to get to actually chat with you in person. And 109 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: the first couple of times we had you on the show, 110 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: we kind of dived deep across area. Maybe let me 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: take you that back. We didn't dive deep. We kind 112 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: of did like a full spectrum look at how you 113 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: approach deer hunting and heavily pressured places and in public lands, 114 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: and we kind of touched on a whole slew of 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: different topics that that you focus on, But today I 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to focus on just one piece of that, 117 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: and that was how you were able to be a 118 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: mobile deer hunter. So the importance of being mobile and 119 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: flexible and being able to hunt and make changes on 120 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: the fly. I know that's something you talk a lot about, 121 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and you also talk a lot about how you use 122 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: a saddle to do that. So so kind of my 123 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: goal here John, today was to cover that topic in depth. 124 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: Before we get to that, though, I know that you 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: had an interesting two thousand seventeen season. I always like 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: to hear about how your recent hunts went. Last time 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: we talked, you just came off of a two thousand 128 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: sixteen season where I think, I think you said, I 129 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: think you killed two hundred forty plus bucks. It's sounds 130 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: like that was an incredible year. In two thousand and seventeen, 131 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: I did read a story of a frustrating hunt of 132 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: yours and then a cool hunt of yours. Um, would 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: you be up for telling us those two stories? Absolutely? 134 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: The first one was in Michigan and it was a 135 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: it was kind of a hunt where I had these 136 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: preset locations on thirty seven acres. I think I have 137 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: sixteen different trees prepared on this thirty seven acre parcel, 138 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: which I hunt with two other hunters um free permission property. 139 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: And uh I went in on an evening hunt to 140 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: hunt A specific tree was a red oak tree behind 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: a standing cornfield and it had I'm sorry sorry interrupted. 142 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: When was this? What time of year? It was October? October? 143 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: Mid October, Yeah, yep, mid kind of a little later 144 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: than mid October. I can I think it was October? 145 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Memory serves me correctly, and anyway, I went and there 146 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: was this red oak and it had several scrapes under 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: it from the twenty sixteen season when I prepared the tree, 148 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: and uh, when I went to this tree, I knew 149 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: that if those scrapes were not going to be active, 150 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: that I was going to have to go to another tree, 151 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: in which I would have had to cross a river, 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: and the actual river, not a creek. So I took 153 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: my waiters with me, and when I got to the tree, 154 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: the red oak with the scrapes underneath, that the scrapes 155 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: were inactive. So I walked down the edge of the 156 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: cornfield and then went through a little cattail marsh area 157 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: of forty yards and crossed the river. And I had 158 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: another tree prepped just across the river, maybe fifty yards 159 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: from the water, and it was bedding area all around it. 160 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I crossed the river, set 161 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: up on that tree, and Uh. On that evening hunt, 162 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: there was a dough that came which was actually kind 163 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: of early in the year for this, but October nineteenth, 164 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: this dough came out of the bedding area, ran across 165 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: the river, I mean, didn't stop hesitate, ran across the 166 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: river through that forty yard gap of marsh and into 167 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: the standing cornfield. So I knew for her to run 168 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: across the river like that something was behind her. And 169 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: within several seconds I heard of, you know, a grunt, 170 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: and sure enough, here comes this buck that I knew 171 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: was in the area. I had, I actually had a 172 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: picture of him that another hunter on the property had 173 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: a picture which he showed me, and it was a 174 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: big nine point in uh. I stopped him at about 175 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: fourteen yards and took the shot and killed him. And 176 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: so that was the That was the good hunt. And 177 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: I kind of look at that as a you know, 178 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: not really a freelance hunt, because I wasn't freelancing to 179 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: another location, you know, just looking for a new spot. 180 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: But I did go to a preset location that was 181 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: not active, so I I became proactive and went to 182 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: a different location where I had to actually use waiters 183 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: to cross the river for my for my entry. So 184 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: why why did you why did you choose to go 185 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: into that first location, Like what was the rationale? Why 186 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: did you say okay, today's October? What conditions or factors 187 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: pointed you to say, okay, I'm gonna head to this tree, 188 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: check it out, and then if that doesn't work out, 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: then I've got to plan b. What what pointed you 190 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: in that direction, Well, it was, you know, October nineteenth, 191 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of getting close to the beginning 192 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: of that pre rut phase where mature bucks start checking 193 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: their you know, checking their scrape areas during daylight hours. 194 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty common during that October law to 195 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: have scraped be very very active. But if it's if 196 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: they're being checked by a mature buck there typically in 197 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: a state like Michigan with so much hunting pressure, it's 198 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: usually during the security of darkness. So October nineteenth is 199 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: getting about the time frame, you know, twentieth somewhere near 200 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: where bucks start to break that nocturnal time frame and 201 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: start sent checking for early estus does and obviously their 202 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: scrape areas are on that routine. So that's why I 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: went to that don't because it had scrapes there from 204 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: the previous fall when I prepared it, and I was 205 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: going into check and if the scrapes were active, I 206 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: was going to hunt that tree. And if they were inactive, 207 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: my plan was to go over to the edge of 208 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: this betting area right on the edge of the river 209 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: where you know, that's just going to be a natural 210 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: flow for deer, and that's that's exactly what I did. 211 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, the pre route was starting to 212 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: kick in because this buck pushed this dough out of 213 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: the betting area and he was going to follow her 214 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: across the river into that standing corn. So she must 215 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: have been very close to or possibly even you know, 216 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: been one of those early does that come into Astros early. 217 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: That's interesting to see that happened so early. Curious before 218 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: we before we fast forward all the way to the 219 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: late season in that other hunt I mentioned as as 220 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm as I'm hearing you talk about this October nineteenth hunt, 221 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious, like, what does your season 222 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: look like in you know, in the Michigan hunting season 223 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: or during your typical year. Are you going out and 224 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: hunting somewhere almost every day or you just hunting you know, 225 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: the weekends, or do you sit do you have you know, 226 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: forty different locations and you just look at you know, okay, 227 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: what factors point me here? Or do you just say okay. 228 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: In the early season, I know I've got fifteen stands 229 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: and have some kind of apples tree, or some kind 230 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: of food source. I'm just gonna cycle through each of 231 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: these until i find the hot sign. I'm just kind 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of at a high level. What does your mindset in 233 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: season look like as it begins and shifts through the 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: year when you're just making your decisions of when and 235 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: where to hunt. Well, keeping in keeping in mind that 236 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm from Michigan, which is the most heavily bonded state 237 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: in the country. Uh, most of the bucks that I'm 238 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: trying to kill, because I hunt strictly public land and 239 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: free knock on doors for permission properties, they get a 240 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: lot of pressure the whole area. Even on the free 241 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: permission properties. You know, all of the hunters in the 242 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: area surrounding properties, you know, they all boon. So there 243 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: could be anywhere from fifteen to possibly thirty bow hunters 244 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: that are hunting in a six or forty acre section. 245 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: So most of them mature bucks are nocturnal prior to 246 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: the season even opening because of all the other hunters. 247 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Preseason scouting and location prep, that's what I do all 248 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: my stuff to a postseason um. So typically I'll hunt 249 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: the first three days of the season, and that would 250 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: be mornings and evenings, no matter what the dates are. 251 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: It's not just a weekend deal. I have the luxury 252 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: of having a job where I can hunt some week 253 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: days and then typically after the like the third, possibly 254 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: even the fourth fourth day of season, I might hunt, 255 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: depending on weather conditions. If it's you know, drizzly rain 256 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: or nasty weather, I will hunt, Whereas if it's a nice, sunny, 257 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: bloo bird day, usually after the third I'm done, and 258 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: then I typically don't hunt until around the twentieth of October. 259 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: And then again it's going to dictate on weather conditions, 260 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: and deer are gonna move a lot. A mature buck 261 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to pursue and kill is gonna be 262 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: more apt to move during inclement weather conditions around the 263 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: twentieth of October. You know, if it's rainy or cold 264 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: or something like that, then he's gonna do on a 265 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, seventy five degree blue bird day, You're going 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: to see a lot of other types of deers sporting 267 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: of bucks and doze and stuff on blue bird days. 268 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: But for a mature buck to move that early in October, 269 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, which is the kind of the somewhat the 270 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: beginning of the pre run. It's got a very pretty 271 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: nasty weather for him to do that. Um in which 272 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: what's kind of weird is this particular day, it was 273 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: actually a pretty nice day, and I spent it and 274 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: I was still successful, but I was just I was 275 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: just getting to the point where I was, you know, 276 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: got you guts start hunting, you know, as a as 277 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: a deer hunter. When you totally quit hunting for two weeks, 278 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, there's just something internally that says you're missing out, 279 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: you know. And and this was a location. It was 280 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: in central Michigan where there's not typically a lot of 281 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: big Bucks and and uh, you know, my better spots 282 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: are in southern Michigan where there's more egg and swamp. 283 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: And I said, what the heck, I'll just go out 284 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: this evening and see what's going on because I had 285 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: some free time. How many different yea, this is something 286 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: I always struggle with. I'm always wondering, you know, do 287 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I have enough different options as far as properties. Every year, 288 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: I inevitably find myself at some point during the season 289 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: wishing that I had more places that I had ready 290 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: to go or that I could check out. And I 291 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: was when I when we talked to all these different people. 292 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: You find typically two different types of successful deer hunters. 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: You've got one that owns some land and they're able 294 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: to control it. So those guys have got their own 295 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: thing going on they can control. But for the people 296 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: that don't own land, for folks like you that are 297 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: hunting either public land or private by permission, usually the 298 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: most consistent ones seem to have a bunch of spots 299 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: lined up so that they can on any given year 300 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: they have many, many different options, so that if one's 301 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: messed up because of other hunters or because some type 302 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: of conditions aren't right, or whatever might be, they have 303 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of backups in any given year. How 304 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: many different properties or areas do you have kind of 305 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: available to to to go hunt during a given year, 306 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: during a typical year, and I'm going back, maybe let's 307 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: say over the last I've been belonging over fifty years, 308 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: and over the last thirty five years, I'll typically have 309 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: two to three private parcels where I've acquired free hunting permission, 310 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: and several public land parcels. And it's extremely rare that 311 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: I will not have at least forty trees prepped during season. 312 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: You know, during post season is when I do all 313 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: that stuff, and I'll usually have forty trees prepped every 314 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: year before season starts. And some are going to be 315 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: some are early season trees. Some are gonna be you know, 316 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: viewing secondary trees for that October wall where I may 317 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: just go sit where I can have a viewing area. 318 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: Others are going to be pre ret locations Sothers are 319 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: gonna be rut phase locations of you know, peak rout locations. 320 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: Primarily those are going to be embedding areas where deer 321 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: chasing and actually doing the breeding. Uh. Some are going 322 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: to be morning locations, Some are midday locations. Some are 323 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: strictly evening locations. You know, if you're if you're preparatory, 324 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: let's they have a couple of apple trees. Prep Those 325 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: are strictly evening locations because if you enter them in 326 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: a morning, you're gonna spook deer feeding at them with 327 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: your entry. And typically they're great early season locations if 328 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: they've been left alone during preseason. They're good at early 329 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: season locations where you might possibly catch them. Ature buck, 330 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: you know, on his early season pattern, he hasn't turned 331 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: nocturnal yet um. You know, so that's a feeding location 332 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: because the early season everything revolves around food, whereas when 333 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: it gets closer to the rut phases, everything revolves around 334 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: sex and dough activity. So you know, everything has a 335 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: rhyme and a reason, and the more options of hunter has, 336 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: the more successful he will be. It's rare that I 337 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: hunt any location more than three times during the course 338 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: of the season, any specific stand location. You're saying, yes, correct, 339 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: And it's extremely rare I hunt any specific tree more 340 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: than three hunts per season. And you know, and you prep. 341 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: You know, if I have forty fifty trees prepped, you 342 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: know in summer at white oak summer at apple trees, 343 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: uh summer at primary scrape areas, you know, those were 344 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: pre set from the previous season sign or just re 345 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: readdressed and recleaned up because there stands up hunted for years. 346 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: And obviously the years the apple trees are not producing 347 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: or white oaks aren't producing acorns, or red oaks or whatever, 348 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: or crop rotations changed the scrape areas. Those those trees, 349 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: even though there maybe forty or fifty total, you know, 350 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty five of them, five of them are going to 351 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: become totally irrelevant just because of the food sources. Would 352 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: you would you say that the majority of the days 353 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: and you actually kill a deer are happening on a 354 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: sit in a tree for that year. So many people 355 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: talk about Yeah, so many people we talked to. It's 356 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: that that power of the very first set seems to 357 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: be disproportionately. Those are the those are the times we 358 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: end up killing something. Well, well, I look at I 359 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: look at myself a little bit different than most most 360 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: hunters because my set control is pretty much perfect. I 361 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: paid zero attention to the wind, so I feel very 362 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: comfortable sitting. Let's say it's November one, pre rd. You know, 363 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: it's right in the middle of pre right, and I'm 364 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: let's say, hunting over a primary scrape area. You know, 365 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: as long as i'm or let's say I'm hunting in 366 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: an apple tree that's still dropping apples, where I know 367 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: dear going to come in and I'm going to physically 368 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: see dear, as long as I'm not seeing a change 369 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: in the number of deer I'm seeing or the activity 370 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: let's say the scrape area. You know, it's remaining active, 371 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: and I know I'm not spooking anything with my entries 372 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: and exits. I'm not spooking anything on stand because nothing 373 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: can win me. Um, I will hunt that several times 374 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: in a row, you know, two to three times in 375 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: a row, and that will be my three three hunts 376 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: from that location, because um, I'm not I'm not concerned 377 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: about spook and stuff. Most hunters don't have a very 378 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: good scent control, even the TV. I've never seen a 379 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: TV guy with a decent scent control regiment. And so 380 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: every time they go in and hunt a location, they're 381 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: leaving residual order on the ground from their entries, from 382 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: their exits, and deer spook because they're down wind of them, 383 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: and so they're as soon as they start hunting a location, 384 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: they're altering deer traffic at that location because of their 385 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: human odor. I don't view it that way because I 386 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: don't get winded, and I can have deer walk through 387 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: a weed field that I've walked through, you know, prior 388 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: with my entry and not spook. So to me, that's 389 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: a little bit different than me than most hunters because 390 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: of my scent control. So I think I can get 391 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: away with hunting something several times without altering it, whereas 392 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: most hunters can't. And that's really important during the rut 393 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: phases because when you're hunting mature bucks in a state 394 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: like Michigan where there's very very few mature bucks and 395 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: they're typically with dose during the breeding cycle period. You know, 396 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: during the main run um, you know, you may hunt 397 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: over a primary scrape area and not see anything, but 398 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: the mature buck you're trying to kill is doted up. 399 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: He's someplace else. You know, he's with the dolls. So 400 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: once she's finished with that cycle, Uh, he's going to 401 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: have to go out and search for another estrus dolls. 402 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: So then he may possibly come and visit that scrape 403 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: area because that's in his routine of searching for dose. 404 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: So when you know, so because of my secontrol, I'm 405 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm able to hunt a specific location, a destination location, 406 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: several hunts in a row without concern. And that way, 407 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: you know when he does come back, that traffic is 408 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: still coming in and out of that spot and that's 409 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: where he's going to continue to search for his next 410 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: test still because the first hunt or two I wanted, Derek, 411 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: he may have been built up right, right, So speaking 412 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: of that time frame, then you killed your buck on 413 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: October nineteenth last year. Any any other notable encounters or 414 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: hunts in the in the following two weeks, then for 415 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: you in Michigan, anything that stands out, I never saw 416 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: another shooter. Wow, the only good buck I saw during 417 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: the entire season. Anything you can attribute to did you 418 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: have something happen on a property that screwed things up, 419 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: or just just kind of how it goes in Michigan. 420 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: That's just kind of how it goes in Michigan because 421 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: you can't beat up your stands a lot and uh, 422 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, I move, I move around a lot, and 423 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: nobody that was the only buck that any of the 424 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: other hunters on any of the properties that I want 425 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: at any pictures of it, I would kill. So I 426 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's not like us, you know, where you're 427 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: going to have half a dozen eight eight mature bucks 428 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: that a person might shoot in a section in Michigan 429 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: because there's so few mature bucks, you know, there some 430 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: some stats put it in you know, like there's one 431 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: percent of the bucks in an area are you know, 432 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: three and a half years and older. So you know, 433 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: you if you had twenty bucks per section, you know, 434 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: there may be five sections where You've only got one 435 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: buck that I one buck that I would want to kill. 436 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: So it's not like out west where there's just lots 437 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: mature bucks, and uh, you know, in in Michigan, there's 438 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: just years. There's been years I've never seen a shooter 439 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: you know that I want to shoot. So it's it's 440 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: just got a lot to do the properties. You know, 441 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen, I think all three of those years 442 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: I killed two book Bucks in Michigan. Uh, so you 443 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: know they were there and I had the opportunity to 444 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: kill them. Um, and in seventeen that just didn't seem 445 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: to be the case. Obviously, de you're going to move 446 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: in from other areas are in the main rut. But 447 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: I just wasn't on the stand at the right time. 448 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: And I don't use cameras, so like, I don't really 449 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: I can't really tell what was there, you know, when 450 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I don't use cameras in Michigan. Yeah. A 451 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, when we first had you on 452 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: the podcast, you talked about why it is that you 453 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: At that time you said that you used camera sparingly. 454 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: I think, UM, have you have your thoughts on cameras 455 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: evolved at all recently. It sounds like now you're using 456 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: them not at all. Is there a particular reason why 457 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: you've gone completely zero use on that now? One of 458 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 1: that big buck ey shot in and opening morning, I 459 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: had used a camera there because it was a location 460 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: that I had went back to because somebody else had 461 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: seen this fucking told me about it. It was properly 462 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: I hundred years ago, very tiny little parcel. So I 463 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: used a camera in that specific location, on that specific 464 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: property because I could put a camera in an invasive 465 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: location and take a survey elements of what the buck 466 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: he's talking about, how actually big it was. But most 467 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: of the properties I hunt are not close to my house. 468 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: This one was relatively close to where I live. Um, 469 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: and I just don't I don't add the time, and 470 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: I don't like making the physical intrusions of a you know, 471 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: to check cameras. I think that's very invasive in a 472 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: highly pressured state where mature bucks don't allow a lot 473 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: of invasiveness. You know, they avoid those areas until after dark. 474 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: And that's why I don't use cameras very very infrequently. 475 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: In Michigan. Last year, I did not have a camera 476 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: out Now I totally hunt cameras. When I hunt out 477 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: of state, I put a camera at every single location, 478 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: because dear just aren't that smart. And and when I 479 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: say out of state, obviously i'm I'm going to the 480 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: iwas in Kansas, and you know, southern Illinois, where you know, 481 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of mature bucks and 482 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: very very little cunning competition, and and you can be 483 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: relativetively in true sieve, and it doesn't really mean a 484 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: lot to deer still do what they do. So, speaking 485 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: of those odd state hunts, then you did you did 486 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: another one of your late season Ohio hunts. I heard 487 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: about last year. How how did that all go down? 488 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: That was really interesting that that was a major mistake 489 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: got my part and I wrote an article about it. Um, 490 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: I didn't look at the weather. I've done very well 491 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: out of state in December after you know, like Illinois 492 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: gun season or after the Ohio gun season, go out 493 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: there and bowl on and I've had a pretty decent 494 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: success rate. And but I always looked at the weather, 495 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: and this time I didn't. I had a specific open 496 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: time that I could go, and I just went. And 497 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: it was kind of in the mid thirties, and then 498 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: got a little bit of snow, got like two inches 499 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: of snow, and then it got down into the teams 500 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: the rest of the week, and and everything was so crunchy. 501 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean you could look as soon as I would 502 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: get out of my minivan and take a step, take 503 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: a couple of steps towards the woods, I could hear 504 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: deer running. I mean they could literally hear crunching snow 505 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: or crunching leaves, probably for a quarter mile. Because it 506 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: was also no win that week. It was just dead calm, 507 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: and obviously in December there's no foliage to to kind 508 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: of absorb absorb the noise, you know, my walking noise. 509 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: So um, I made a big mistake by not checking 510 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: the weather. You know, typically on my out of state 511 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: hunts in December, I wait till there's a decent amount 512 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: of snow where I can walk quietly and I'm looking 513 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: at you know, deer sign within twenty four hours of 514 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: when it was made. And on this hunt, I didn't. 515 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: And I wrote an article about how stupid I was 516 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: because that was doubled me not to check the weather. 517 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: So so you had this crispy, crunchy leaves everywhere. How 518 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: did you try to. I mean, it sounds like when 519 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: you try to go into stands you were spooking, dear, 520 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: But how did you try to adjust to that? We're 521 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: able to find any way to pull it off to 522 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: make a dooble hunt? I did on one of the locations, 523 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: probably the best location. It was there was a huge cutover, 524 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: probably a quarter of a mile from my tree stand, 525 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: and it was not on the property I could hunt. 526 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: The cutover wasn't they cut it over like five years ago, 527 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: so it was just dense saplings. And the first time 528 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: I went in there to hunt, I remember I started 529 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: walking and it was an evening hunt. I totally abandoned 530 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: morning hunts because morning hunts there was no way. And 531 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: I started walking and within twenty yards of the end, 532 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: I could hear deer running at least a quarter mile 533 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: in front of me leaving the property I was hunting, 534 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: going into wards and then taken off into that sampling 535 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: area to cut over. So what I started doing on 536 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: I only had three locations prepared total, and they were 537 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: all on different properties, free permission properties. So what I 538 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: started doing is I started getting up at eight o'clock 539 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: in the morning because I wasn't gonna hunt. And I 540 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: went to each three of those locations and I physically 541 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: walked to the trees so that I would spook any 542 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: deer that were betted back away from the location with 543 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: the thought that hopefully in the evening when I went 544 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: back to hunt, you know, they would have been calmed 545 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: down enough for me going in at eight and they 546 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: would filter back out, uh, you know, in in the 547 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: evening before dark. And I did have one ten inch 548 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: eight point walk under my tree that I passed on. 549 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: He was just too small. So that that's what I did, 550 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: is I just went into those locations earlier in the 551 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: morning to spook any deer way beyond where I was 552 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: going to hunt where they couldn't hopefully hear me come 553 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: in the evening, and then they would filter back in 554 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: because I was hunting and play is where there was food. 555 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Either I was either in a saddle transition saddle from 556 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: from a bedding area to a feeding location, where I 557 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: was in some at a location where there were some oaks, 558 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: was some still some acorns on the ground. Interesting, So 559 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: future hunts now late season, what's the big takeaway here? 560 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: And wait again for the snow or anything else there yep, always, yes, 561 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: I will always always look at the weather and wait 562 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: for snow. That I killed two monster bucks in Illinois 563 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: on public land. One was in two thousand and eight 564 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: and one was in two thousand seven, two thousand seven 565 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: and two thousand eight, and both times, uh, you know, 566 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: I waited for there to be you know, unactu whether 567 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: I waited for there to be a snow coming through, 568 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: and then after it looked like it went through, I 569 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: called the park rangers because those parks down there had 570 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: park rangers, and asked them if they got the snow, 571 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: and both times they did so. They had six to 572 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: eight inches of fresh powder snow on the ground. So 573 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: I left immediately. My vehicle was packed, and I had 574 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: I had the luxury of having time, you know, whatever 575 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: time we had snow, I could go. I had all 576 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: of December open pretty much and U And so now 577 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: when I get there, I'm there within twenty four hours 578 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: of the snow. And when I'm scouting, I'm looking at 579 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: sign that was made within the last twenty four hours, 580 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: so it's all fresh sign. It's not like you're looking 581 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: at bare ground or snow that's been on the ground 582 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: for three weeks and you know, you can't you can't 583 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: disseminate between fresh tracks and old tracks, or you know, 584 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: fresh runaways and old runways. And so now I'm looking 585 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: at Sinna was made immediately within the last twenty four hours, 586 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: and that just made hunting easy. Both of those hunts 587 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, two th eight I killed I killed 588 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: book Bucks. One was a D sixty twelve point on 589 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: my very first evening hunt after scouting a day and 590 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: a half and prepping, prepping a couple of locations, and 591 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: then un hunting that first evening gun. I killed at 592 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: nine point on the first hunt in two thousand seven 593 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: and a twelve point two eight. This this is a 594 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: perfect segue because you're you're talking here about a situation 595 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: where you're going in, you're looking at brand new, fresh 596 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: sign and then right away being able to react to 597 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: that and set up stands and they're set up a 598 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: hunting location right then and there. And I know there's 599 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: many other examples of this kind of thing that I've 600 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: heard you talk about, and it seems to come down 601 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: to your ability to be mobile. You're able to go 602 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: into a place and hunt somewhere, somewhere new quickly. You 603 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: can adjust quickly. You can change your setup quickly. Um, 604 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: why do you think being mobile as a deer hunter 605 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: is important? Can you can you talk through some of 606 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: the benefits there? Well? Yeah, being mobile is extremely important 607 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: because first first off, when I say mobile, you know 608 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you watch some of these TV 609 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: commercials and you get somebody walking down a nice a 610 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: steam to trick with a climber on their back and 611 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: their bow and their backpack. You know that to me, 612 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: that's not mobile, you know, And they're setting up in 613 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: a tree on the fly, in an open timber because 614 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: there in areas where there's so many venture bucks are 615 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: going to get an opportunity pretty much no matter what 616 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: they do. Um, when I'm talking mobile, I'm talking about 617 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: you got a backpack, your bow, and I hunt out 618 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: of something called the harness, uh saddle type harness. So 619 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm extremely mobile and being mobile is very important. All 620 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: the trees I have prepped in Michigan because I've been 621 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: hunting out of this harness system since they're all set 622 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: up for this harness. So I can have forty fifty 623 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: trees prepped and I can hunt out of all of 624 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: them with this harness. That weighs about a pound and 625 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: a half. So I just walked to the tree and 626 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: jump up it and hunt it. So I you know, 627 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: I can go from tree to tree and if the 628 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: sign is not there, you know I hunt. I just 629 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: wait until I hit a tree where the sign is there. 630 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: It's it's there for me to hunt. Or for freelance hunting. 631 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you're freelance hunting on public land. My 632 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: biggest buck I ever killed with hunter eight incher on 633 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: a freelance hunt. Well, if you're freelancing on public land 634 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: or in a pressured area, you're not walking down a 635 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: two track and you're not walking through open timber. You've 636 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 1: got to go through areas where you know there's security cover. 637 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: And you're not going to do that with a climber 638 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: on your back or hang on with a bunch of sticks. 639 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: It's just too cumbersome. You just can't do it. It's 640 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: physically impossible to buck brush and go through swamps and 641 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: marshes and stuff. So the more mobile you are, the 642 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: more opportunities you're gonna get because you can get back 643 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: in the brush and in the cover where the mature 644 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: mature bucks are actually at and feel comfortable moving during 645 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: daylight hours. Um, and the more mobile you are, the 646 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: more opportunities you're gonna get. And another thing that's cool 647 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: about that is the harnesses. You know, it's dead quiet. 648 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: It's all made out of fabrics, so there's no noise 649 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: or anything during the hunt. Yeah. Do you ever a 650 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: situation where you're heading in to hunt a prepared location 651 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: but you see something that you realize is like a 652 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: flashing light that says you need to hunt here right now, 653 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: and you just set up a brain new spout right 654 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: then and there and hunt. Is that something you ever 655 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: do just based on recent intel, Yes, that's something I 656 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: have done. Um, only one time have I done that successfully, 657 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: But there's been several occasions. In fact, I just wrote 658 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: an article about it, which will probably be in deer 659 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: deer hunting before the end of the year, where I 660 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: will go to a location that's not then a location 661 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: just doesn't have the deer sign because I prepped it 662 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: in postseason. You know, maybe there was a lot of 663 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: runways in the area or whatever, and those runways are 664 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: inactive because there's no acorns in that area anymore. Where 665 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: I've went to a location with my freelance Fannie pack 666 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: on full of steps and my harness is always in 667 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: my backpack. One a son at the time, and I'm like, well, 668 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hunt here, so I'm just gonna go freelance. 669 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened on this I killed by 670 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: physically hunted a location early in the morning and it 671 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: and it was going to be an all day sit 672 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: and it wasn't panning out, so I moved to another 673 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: I just pulled my stuff as I came down the 674 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: tree and just freelanced about a quarter mile away to 675 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: a huge primary scrape area that I found and set 676 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: up on that and shot that buck in the evening. 677 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: And in Michigan v I think it was six, I 678 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: kind of did the same thing. I went to a tree, 679 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: a preset tree, and the sign was this one. I 680 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: didn't actually hunt them the sign and it was an 681 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: evening hunt. The sign was just not there from the 682 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: previous falls. So I just freelanced I don't know, that 683 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: was probably three hundred yards maybe four hundred yards away, 684 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: and I found an oak tree, white oak tree, on 685 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: the edge of some saplings, uh. And it it didn't 686 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: have any scrapes underneath it, but it had several runways 687 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: coming out of the saplings to this white oak in 688 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: and there was some other runways coming through the timbers 689 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: that fed to this white oak because it had a 690 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: lot of acorns on the ground and a lot of droppings. 691 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: And I and this was way before I hunted out 692 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: of a harness. This was back when you just climbed 693 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: up a tree and sat on a branch. And I 694 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: climbed the tree and I shot at ten point on 695 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,479 Speaker 1: that particular hunt. So that was a freelance hunt as well. 696 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: And freelance hunting works really good if you're mobile. And 697 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: also another big aspect of freelance hunting nowadays is sent 698 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, you've gotta be sent free because if you're 699 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: winding around through the woods leaving your human odor, you 700 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: know you're you're setting up stages where a mature bucks 701 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: not going to move through that area because you left 702 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: so much human odor, he's gonna probably turn around and leave. So, 703 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: you know, being scent free is another big aspect of 704 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: freelance hunting as well. Yeah, when you when you say 705 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: freelance hunting, when you when you hunted a spot didn't 706 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: go on the morning and then you take off for 707 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: the rest of the day and your freelance hunting. Can 708 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: you can you just explain them more what you mean 709 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: by that. Sure, Okay, Like the let's let's say the 710 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: one time I killed that big buck. I hunted a 711 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: tree and I was in the tree probably an hour 712 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: and a half our daylight. It was an all day 713 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: it was going to be an all day set um 714 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: by about nine thirty maybe, you know, I just wasn't 715 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: seeing anything, and I just wasn't getting a good vibe 716 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: on this location. And I was seeing deer in the distance, 717 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, because this was in mid November. This was 718 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: Dangniard in the gun almost gun season, so all the 719 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: folds was down, and I did see dear cruising through 720 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: in the distance. So I got down out of the tree, 721 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: pulled all my steps as I went down. I had 722 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: a dough decoy out, so I put the decoy back 723 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: in her her bag, you know, a military duffle bag, 724 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: and I just laid her under the tree. I wasn't 725 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: gonna use the decoy. I wasn't gonna tote that around, 726 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: and I just kind of slowly wandered through the timber 727 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: and back towards this big river, which is where I 728 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: was seeing the deer activity and again I found I 729 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: found a monstrous primary scrape area. There was four huge 730 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: scrapes and it was in a terrain feature dump, so 731 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: there there was no food there. There was no crop trees, 732 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: mass trees or anything like that there. I was in 733 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: a total temporary There was no crops anywhere around and 734 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: U but there was some train features dumps. There was 735 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: a little open weed field and then this one patch 736 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: of trees came here, and then there was a little 737 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: saddle over here which kind of was by the river, 738 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: and it was a train feature dump, which meant there 739 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: was a lot of dough activity in that spot. And 740 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: that's why that primary scrape area was there, because there 741 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of dough activity. And one of the 742 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: scrapes had two monstrous clumps of deer droppings. They were 743 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: all clumped together, which is typically a sign of a 744 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: big buck in The pelts were huge, and uh so 745 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: I prepped it free next to it and shut that 746 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: buck of Hannah about rattled him in twenty minutes before dark. Mhm. Wow. 747 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: You mentioned that on this particular hunt, you've been seeing 748 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: deer activity from your original stand in the direction that 749 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: you eventually headed uh. And it makes me think. A 750 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: dilemma I find myself in sometimes is I'll be sitting 751 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: in a given stand location. Let's say it's the morning, 752 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: and I see let's let's say a mature buck, a 753 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: buck that i'd like to target. I see that buck 754 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: moving somewhere else. I can watch him. He's out of range, 755 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: though I see him go do something. He passes through. 756 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: He's cruising past the bedding area or something like that. 757 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm now realizing, oh man, he's he's cruising 758 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: seventy yards away and I thought he was going to 759 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: cruise by thirty yards or whatever. And I'm always sitting 760 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: here in these situations like how soon should you make 761 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: a move? Do you? Do you? If you see a 762 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: mature buck do something today? Should you be switching to 763 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: try a hunt in that new spot tomorrow? Or do 764 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: you need to see that deer? Do it twice to 765 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 1: determine it's it's not an anomaly, but it's a pattern. Um, 766 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: how you know how quickly do you move on an 767 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: observation like that? Um, it's an It's an interesting scenario 768 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: because that happened to me in two thousand h one. 769 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: I think Uh. The first off, you've got to consider 770 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,720 Speaker 1: where is this deer moving through? Is it through ample 771 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: or adequate security cover? Because if if there's a deer 772 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: just walking across a big opening, I would never ever 773 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: even consider in Michigan moving to that location on the 774 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: next day's hunt at the same time, because the odds 775 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: of the deer doing he might have been on hot 776 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: door or something in the odds of that happening again 777 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: the next day are pretty skinny because typically mature bucks 778 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: are not going to cross through vulnerable areas during daylight hours. 779 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: So I would look at that as an anomaly. But 780 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: if I've seen a deer and fishing yards away and 781 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: he's going through some good security cover and he's sticking 782 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: his nose down to the ground once in a while, 783 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: absolutely I would move. There is no question about it, 784 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: because there's an excellent chance that that's his routine, especially 785 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: if it's during pre ride. And I did that in 786 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: two thousand one with my son, Chris. Myke son, Chris 787 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: was actually hunting with me and we wrote the three 788 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: books together, and I had seen this buck the day 789 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: before and he was I was probably eighty I found 790 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 1: similar to what you're talking about about the eighty yards 791 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: probably he was cruising along the edge of this uh 792 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: crop field through some heavy cover, probably twenty yards inside 793 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: of the edge of the crop field in the timber, 794 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: and he's kept sticking his nose to the ground. So 795 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: I knew I had I had to move over there 796 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: for the next day at the same to be there 797 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: in that spot on the same time frame, and Chris 798 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: was home from Germany, so I set up. I set 799 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: him up in a tree over there, and he ended 800 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: up getting a shot at that buck. I'm the same 801 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: exact route almost at the same exact time, and early 802 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: early afternoon, late October fact, I think I think it 803 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: was November. It was in November. I take that back 804 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: early November. And he he didn't make that particular kill, 805 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: but when he shot, he spoke the deer over by me, 806 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: and I ended up killing that. That deer came over 807 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: me on his exit route, circling around back to go 808 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: back into his bedding area, went right by me and 809 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: play twelve yards. That worked out, yeah, But I mean 810 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: it worked out. I mean it was the sact situation 811 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Chris moved over to where that buck 812 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: was the day before, and that buck had that same 813 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: exact route the next day, So so you're you typically 814 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: you'd make the move right away. You wouldn't wait and 815 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: try to see that multiple times to confirm if if 816 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: he's moving within an area of cover that seems to 817 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: be you know, a reasonable place to to move again 818 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: in the future, you're you're gonna go there. Yeah. Yeah, 819 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: unless unless I saw him go through with a dough. 820 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: If he went through following a dough, which usually if 821 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: they're with a hot dough, you know, there's no rhyme, 822 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: no reason to their traffic, you know, you know, unless 823 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: they're within a secure betting area, they're just transitioning through 824 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: someplace and he's with a hot dough, No, I doubt 825 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: I would make that move. But if he's going through 826 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: on a search process by himself, yeah, I definitely would 827 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: make that move. So so you're able to make these 828 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 1: kinds of moves pretty quickly because of your specific setup. Now, 829 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: you definitely can be mobile in things like a climbing 830 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: tree stand or hang on tree stand with sticks, and 831 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people use that stuff, but I know 832 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: that you personally, you're using this saddle and it's something 833 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: that you've mentioned in previous podcasts with us and in 834 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: your books and talking with other people, but at least 835 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the two of us on this show, we've never been 836 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: able to dive deep into the ins and outs of 837 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: your setup. And and saddle hunting is becoming a little 838 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: more popular, more and more people are talking about it's 839 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: starting to pick up some buzz um much in part 840 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: probably because you've been talking about it for a long 841 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: time and people are starting to catch onto it. UM. 842 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: So I wanted to kind of dive into that. Um, 843 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about what this is? 844 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, at the highest level, what is what is 845 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: a saddle? Why do you use that? Well, first off, 846 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: it's more of an arborist style harness. There was a 847 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: company called the Tree Saddle and that's where the saddle 848 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 1: word came out. But it's it's very similar. They're very 849 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: similar to what a tree climber uses, you know that 850 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: cuts branches and stuff. UM an arborius harness and it's 851 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: basically it's made out of fabric. You climb the tree 852 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: with tree steps or sticks or whatever you do to 853 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: hunt out of the hang on. I prefer steps because 854 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,760 Speaker 1: I can put eighteen steps in a small Fannie pack, 855 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: so they're not cumbersome. To me, cumbersome really is a 856 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: hindrance because I'm hunting pressured properties where everything revolves around 857 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: some semblance and security cover and with sticks. That's adding 858 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: cumbersome and it makes it difficult to access some of 859 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: these areas. UM. But it's basically it's a harness. You 860 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: climb the tree, you wrap a leads, you're always tethered 861 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: to the tree. There is nothing safer than a harness. 862 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: Nothing they've nobody's ever fell from a harness, and they've 863 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: been out since the early eighties. UM. So you're always 864 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: deather to the tree with a safety harness. And then 865 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: once you get up to where you're going to physically hunt, 866 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: you hook up your lead strap and then you disattach 867 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: your safety harness and then you basically hunt. So you're 868 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 1: gonna have a ring of steps, whether they're strap ons 869 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,959 Speaker 1: for public land or screw ins on private around the tree, 870 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: so you can move around the tree and you can 871 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: shoot three sixty degrees. You can use the tree as 872 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: a blocker. You know, when you're hunting at a destination location, 873 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: let's say at a scrape area or at a white 874 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: oak or at an apple tree, where there's gonna be 875 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 1: multiple deer does and sporting. The bucks come in probably 876 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: prior to you ever getting an opportunity at a mature buck, 877 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be loitering there for a while, you know, 878 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: ten fifteen, twenty minutes oftentimes, and if you're in a 879 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: tree stand, and typically with the tree stand, you're gonna 880 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: be kicked off a little bit to the side of 881 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: the tree so that you can shoot to the actual 882 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: destination apple tree or whatever, or primary scrape area. And 883 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: typically those opportunities happened during the rough phases when the 884 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: foliage is down. Your odds of getting picked with four 885 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: or five deer hanging around there for a period of 886 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: time is really really high because you're kicked off to 887 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,720 Speaker 1: the side of the tree, so you can shoot directly 888 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: to your left if you're right handed, whereas with a 889 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: harness you are typically hunt a little bit higher because 890 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,760 Speaker 1: they're so safe, but you are tethered on the opposite 891 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: side of the tree, so you've got the tree trunk 892 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,840 Speaker 1: blocking your visual and then when the opportunity happens, you 893 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: know you're just peeking around the corner of the tree. 894 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: You just swing around, swing around a little bit to 895 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: the side and take your take your shot. So you've 896 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: got something that's totally quiet because it's made out of fabric. Uh. 897 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: It's safer than anything out there because you are one 898 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: tethered to the tree of the time was during your 899 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: ascension and descension. Uh. It's very comfortable once you learn 900 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: how to use it for all day sits uh. Unsurpassed 901 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: mobility for transitioning through cover. No cumbersome sticks, no cumbersome 902 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: stand uh. Depending on the model. You know, there's a 903 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: couple of different models out They can weigh anywhere from 904 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: one to three pounds, which is extremely light, and they 905 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: roll up and they fit in your backpack, so you're 906 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 1: not having anything cumbersome on your back. You've got three 907 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,959 Speaker 1: sixty degree shooting mobility, so you can shoot around any 908 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: tree you hunt from and uh, you know that's a 909 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 1: huge factor in itself. You know, a lot of times 910 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: you with the tree stands and I hunt it out 911 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: of tree stands a few years back in the late seventies. 912 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: You know, if you get a deer on the back 913 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: side of the tree, you just can't shoot through the 914 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 1: tree and you miss that opportunity. So with this thing, 915 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: you can move around the tree and shoot any direction. 916 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: You can use the tree as the blocker at a 917 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: destination site. Um, you can hunt any size tree, you know, 918 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: unlike a climber where you have to have a tree 919 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: that's a devoid of branches. With this, you can hunt 920 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: trees with branches. You can hunt leaning trees. Trees can 921 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,240 Speaker 1: be leaning up to fifteen degrees and you can still 922 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: comfortably hunt them. Uh doubles the harness doubles as a 923 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: hands free location proper. You know, a tree preparation harness. Uh. 924 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: You can have as many trees prepared as you would like, 925 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: and you only have one harness to hunt out of 926 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: all of them. So nobody's gonna hunt your tree when 927 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: you're not there. Nobody's gonna steal your stand because it's 928 00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 1: in your backpack. Um, it's always with you. Um, it's 929 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: just for freelance hunting, you know, the mobility factor for 930 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: freelance hunting. Because it's in your backpack and your steps 931 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: are in a Fannie pick. You are the only thing 932 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,359 Speaker 1: that's really cumbersome on your entire body is carrying your bow. 933 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: The only thing with a frame that could be cumbersome. 934 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: And I've exclusively hunted out of harness, and and I 935 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 1: would say I could safely state that at least the 936 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: deer bucks, that the fifty book bucks I have at 937 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: least fifty exactly fifty. Actually at least half of those 938 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: bucks would not have been killed if I would have 939 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: been using any type of a conventional stand. They're just 940 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: not even comparable. So that there's all these I mean, 941 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: those all sound like very uh compelling benefits, but I'm 942 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: curious of what are the downsides. And a couple of 943 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 1: things that have always stood up to me that always 944 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of made me apprehensive a little bit would be, 945 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,319 Speaker 1: for example, it seems like to be able to move 946 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: into position in different shots, you have to move a 947 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: lot like those that swinging motion you talked about. Is 948 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: that something that ever gets you in trouble? Or or 949 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: number two? In order to be able to swing around 950 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: the tree and get shots, it seems like you'd have 951 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: to have a lot of branches down, like you have 952 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 1: to cut a lot of If you're in a tree 953 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: that has a lot of branches, do you need to 954 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: cut a bunch of branches that you're able to maneuver 955 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: and then does that end up leaving you you know, 956 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: hung out to dry with do your being able to 957 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 1: see you? Are those really downsides there? Am I just 958 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: kind of um making that up? No, none of those 959 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 1: are downside because none of them really mean anything. First off, 960 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: if you do if let's say you are in a 961 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: pine tree, okay, and you do, I feel like you're 962 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,879 Speaker 1: gonna have shooting options. You know, not not all trees 963 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 1: you get in. Do you assume you're gonna have shooting 964 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: options three and or sixty degrees? But a lot of 965 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: a lot of trees, you do. You know, when I'm 966 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: hunting into destination location, I only clear a shooting lane 967 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 1: to the actual destination location because I know that's where 968 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: the deerically coming. I don't have to have five four 969 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: shooting lanes behind me or to the sides. I just 970 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: make it to that spot. But a lot of locations 971 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: you want three sixty degrees shooting diameter. And if and 972 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: in that particular case, yeah, you may have to private ground, uh, 973 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,280 Speaker 1: rape the tree a little bit. You gotta cut branches 974 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 1: so you can swing around. But your other option is 975 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 1: hunting from a tree stand where you're losing under any 976 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: degrees of shooting around the tree because you're hunting in 977 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: a tree standing, you can't shoot through the tree and 978 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: you can't lean to the side. If you're hunting in 979 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 1: a bigger you know, anything with a decent diameter, And 980 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,799 Speaker 1: that's another huge option. I can hunt a tree that's 981 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,359 Speaker 1: I can have a flat wall if I wanted to, 982 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: as long as I can climb it. I've I've shot 983 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,360 Speaker 1: bucks out of trees that there is no way on 984 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: God's green earth you can put a climber or hang 985 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: on in. They're just too big a I ameter. And 986 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: I've also shot shot bucks out of trees that were 987 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: four ininges in diameter, where they're too small really for 988 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: hang on. But I had other clumps of trees around 989 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,600 Speaker 1: me for you know, to give my give me some 990 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,919 Speaker 1: sort of and seal on the cover. Um what we're 991 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,879 Speaker 1: what was you said a couple of other things. Three 992 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: sixties is a huge deal. You said something else, Well, 993 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: what about the movement? So in order to position yourself 994 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 1: for shots, do you do you have to do anything 995 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,279 Speaker 1: to to account for that movement? It sounds like you 996 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: would have to move more often in the saddle than 997 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: in a tree stand. But absolutely not, absolutely not, no way. 998 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: When you set up in a harness, you set up 999 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: exactly the same as you would with a tree stand. 1000 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: If you're gonna if you're gonna put up a tree stand, 1001 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna put it up. If you're right handed, where 1002 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: your most opportune shots going to be someplace in front 1003 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 1: of you to D twenty degrees to year left, so 1004 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna be your opportune shooting place. That's where you 1005 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: assume your shots are going to be. You do the 1006 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: exact same thing with the harness. You get up in 1007 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 1: the tree and you hook up your lead. If you're 1008 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: right handed, where you're gonna be hanging facing the tree, 1009 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,880 Speaker 1: and your most opportune shots are going to be to 1010 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: your left. But with a harness, without even moving off 1011 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: the two steps that your feet are perched on, you're 1012 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: going to be able to shoot at least a hundred 1013 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: eighty degrees without moving at all, because you're gonna be 1014 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: able to just lean a little bit and shoot pretty 1015 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: much directly behind the tree, you know, just by leaning 1016 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: out a little bit, and then you can twist at 1017 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 1: your waist while your feet are still planted right where 1018 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: you were sitting. You can twist at your waist and 1019 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,439 Speaker 1: you can shoot pretty far behind you, well well more 1020 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: than well farther behind you than just straight behind your back. 1021 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: You can shoot it actually a little farther left and 1022 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: straight behind your back. So and then let's say you're 1023 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: in a harness and I see that I'm a right 1024 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: handed guy, I see a deer, I see an opportunity 1025 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: that it's going to take place, and it's gonna be 1026 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty degrees off to my right, so 1027 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: it's gonna be b basically on the back side of 1028 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: the tree and off a little bit even more to 1029 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: the right where I have to make a movement. What 1030 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: I will do as I usually have a bow hanger 1031 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: directly to my left, nine degrees to my left, and 1032 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: I always put a bow hanger on the back side 1033 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 1: of the tree. So if I see something that's coming together, 1034 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,040 Speaker 1: I will lift the bow up, put it on the 1035 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: back side of the tree hook, and then I'll move 1036 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,920 Speaker 1: slowly move around the tree. Usually it's only you know, 1037 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,439 Speaker 1: one step. I moved one step left with my left 1038 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: foot and then put my right foot on the tree 1039 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,560 Speaker 1: that maybe my left foot had been on it. So 1040 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: now my bow still hanging there, and now I'm waiting 1041 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: for that shot opportunity to take place, and then I 1042 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: just pick up the bow and make the shot, very 1043 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 1: very minimal movement. Interesting, do you have any is shooting 1044 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: a bow in this kind of position challenging at all? 1045 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: I imagine you know we talked so much when it 1046 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: comes to archery form, how important it is to have 1047 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: consistent you know, consistently placed your feet in the same 1048 00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 1: kind of way I have the same kind of foundation, 1049 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: and making sure when you draw back you've got this 1050 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 1: consistent t formation. Um do you need to I imagine 1051 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: you need to practice a lot with in a sling 1052 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: to get used to it. Is that true or not true? 1053 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 1: Or that's not true? The tree sling or sling the 1054 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: harness system, You've got a three three points of your 1055 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: body are in contact holding supporting weight. Each one of 1056 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: your fee is on a step and your butts in them. 1057 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 1: It's basically a hammock style seat. And typically in a 1058 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,360 Speaker 1: normal hunting situation, you know they're all equally. You're carrying 1059 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: equal weight on your button each foot, so and your 1060 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: knees are going to be slightly bent to maybe even 1061 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,799 Speaker 1: straight when you physically do take a shot. So it's 1062 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna be very similar to standing and taking a shot, 1063 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 1: you're it's it's much simpler, and you have a lot 1064 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 1: more support for your shooting style shooting from a harness 1065 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: than a tree stand because the tree stand, if you 1066 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 1: stand up basically all your weights on two feet, or 1067 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: if you sit down, your knees are bent ninety degrees 1068 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to move. Let's sake, let's say 1069 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,919 Speaker 1: take a shot, you know, in front of you, because 1070 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: your knees are bent so much, you know, they're kind 1071 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: of almost in your way. With the harness, your knees 1072 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 1: are just slightly bent, or maybe your legs are even straight, 1073 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: so you've got total support on each foot and in 1074 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: your butt. And I mean it, you are solid as 1075 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: a rock. And if you're a gun hunter, it's even 1076 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: more so because now you've got a tree in front 1077 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,959 Speaker 1: of you. You just and I'm not a gun hunter, 1078 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: by the way, but you just propped the gun against 1079 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: the side of the tree and you've got the tree 1080 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,040 Speaker 1: is basically a rest where you're you know, your forearm 1081 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: of your gun in your hand is against the tree. 1082 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 1: So you've got to rest as opposed to just you know, 1083 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: holding a gun free hand, you know, and the excitement level. 1084 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 1: Maybe your barrel's waving a little bit. You just got 1085 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot more solid rust with the tree being in 1086 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: front of you to rest the gun against. And a 1087 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of guys I know shoot recurves 1088 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,919 Speaker 1: and long goes out of a harness. That's yeah there, 1089 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,720 Speaker 1: And I don't practice out of a harness. I practice 1090 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: off the roof of my house. I've got a platform 1091 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: on the roof of my house which replicates the heights 1092 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: that I hunt from. And you know, the try the 1093 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: shooting triangle that you mentioned is very, very critical, and 1094 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: that's why I practice from from a height similar to 1095 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: what I hunt from. Because if you practice on the 1096 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: ground where everything's straight up and down, your body straight 1097 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 1: up and down, your arms are perpendicular or parallels to 1098 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,800 Speaker 1: the ground, your your left arms parallel to the ground, 1099 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: and your head is straight upright your bow triangle, which 1100 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: is from your eye to your anchor point to your 1101 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: bow grip. That's that's called your triangle. Now, when you 1102 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: practice like that and you site in like that, as 1103 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 1: soon as you get up in an elevation and then 1104 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 1: you be end, you're tipping your head down and then 1105 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: you draw your bow back on a deer. You've totally 1106 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,840 Speaker 1: changed your eye to anchor point angle or distance because 1107 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 1: you're leaning your head forward, and you will almost always 1108 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: shoot high. If you practice from the ground and then 1109 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: you shoot from a tree, you're gonna almost always shoot high. 1110 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: You know. The only way you can practice from the 1111 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,320 Speaker 1: ground and properly shoot from a tree is when you're 1112 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,520 Speaker 1: in the tree. Hold your left arm parallel to the ground, 1113 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 1: just like you would just like if you were on 1114 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: the ground, draw your bow back with your head straight up, 1115 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 1: and then bend at the waist where you're keeping that 1116 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: triangle exactly the same all the time. But if you 1117 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 1: lean down, tilt your head forward, and then draw your 1118 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: bow back, your eye to anchor is shortening up. It's 1119 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 1: very minimal, but your your triangle is changing and you're 1120 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: gonna shoot high. Mhm. So's it sounds like my concerns 1121 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: may not be valid. But are there any are there 1122 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: any valid downsides in your eye or if if you're 1123 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 1: going to say no, is there anybody that a saddle 1124 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 1: isn't a good fit for, Because it sounds like we're 1125 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: talking through there's a lot of situations where saddle style 1126 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: set up is a good thing. Is there any type 1127 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: of person or type of situation where it's not no. 1128 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,920 Speaker 1: But let me clarify that. You know, it's kind of 1129 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,680 Speaker 1: like stlack. There's been probably a hundred thousand plus people 1130 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,000 Speaker 1: that have bought suntlack and got winded because they have 1131 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,920 Speaker 1: no clue out of you how to use it and 1132 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: properly care for it and store it. And I don't 1133 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,160 Speaker 1: blame those people because I don't think the manufacturer has 1134 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,480 Speaker 1: done a great job of relaying proper care instructions. It's 1135 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120 Speaker 1: the same deal with a harness. If you buy a 1136 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: harness and you don't use it correctly, you're probably going 1137 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,960 Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable with it, and you're not gonna end 1138 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,920 Speaker 1: up hunting out of it for very long before you 1139 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,040 Speaker 1: sell it to somebody. There is death. There's a site 1140 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: called saddle hunter dot com. It's been around for several 1141 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: years now. There's tons of people on that site and 1142 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,720 Speaker 1: they're willing to help anybody that wants to get into 1143 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: this style hunting. But if you were to take let's 1144 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 1: say the old trophy line saddle which I heard is 1145 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: going to be coming back out in uh if you 1146 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: were to watch their old DVD on how to hunt 1147 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,120 Speaker 1: from a harness. You would be very uncomfortable and I 1148 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: would be shocked if you hunt it out of it 1149 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,520 Speaker 1: more than one time before you set it off to 1150 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the side and point back to your tree stand. There's 1151 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 1: a proper way to use it. There's a proper way 1152 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,120 Speaker 1: to hang from it. There's how much weight you have 1153 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: in your butt, how much weight do you have on 1154 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,320 Speaker 1: your feet. You know there is a drape adjustment for 1155 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: within so within two to three seconds, at any point 1156 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,120 Speaker 1: in time, you can change your drape adjustment to put 1157 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: more weight on your feet or put more weight in 1158 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,920 Speaker 1: your butt. You know you can lower or length in 1159 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the lead strap. Um, So how you hunt out out 1160 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: of it has everything to do with how comfortable it was, 1161 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: because they used to show hooking the lead strap off 1162 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: at arm's length. And then your body. You never want 1163 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,320 Speaker 1: your body to be beyond parallel to the free You 1164 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: always want your body either leaning a little bit forward 1165 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: into the tree or at worst case scenario, parallel to 1166 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: the tree. Well, when you got that lead trip hanging 1167 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: almost straight down in front of your face, it almost 1168 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: forces your upper body to lean backwards. And if your 1169 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: upper bodies leaning backwards for very long, your back is 1170 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: going to get sore and it's gonna be very uncomfortable. 1171 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: So you know how you hook up the lead and 1172 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,400 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I'm making this sound a lot 1173 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: more complicated than it is. It's very simple. You just 1174 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: need to get a little bit of feedback from somebody 1175 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,600 Speaker 1: that knows. I get emails on this every day on 1176 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 1: how to properly hook it up and set it up. 1177 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: But once you once you know how to hook it up, 1178 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: and it's very very simple. No, there is absolutely zero downside. 1179 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: All right, Well, John is making a compelling case for 1180 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: his favorite hunting tool here, but we're gonna have to 1181 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,560 Speaker 1: put time out on this conversation because I want to 1182 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,080 Speaker 1: take a quick break to think our partners at white 1183 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Tail Properties, So Spencer will take it from here. The 1184 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,000 Speaker 1: sweak with white Tail Properties. We are joined by Neil Hogger, 1185 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Wisconsin, and Neil is going 1186 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: to be talking to us about how the shopping process 1187 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,200 Speaker 1: is different in areas that are famous for big deer. Well, 1188 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:18,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo County is a nationally known county. Obviously, um a 1189 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: lot of the land there that comes on the market 1190 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,280 Speaker 1: and sold really never make it makes it to the market, 1191 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,640 Speaker 1: so that's a major difference. So kind of like Polk 1192 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, it's a top ten Pope and Young County 1193 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: excellent hunting, but it just doesn't have the uh notoriety 1194 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,000 Speaker 1: that Buffalo County ass So to find property in Buffalo County, 1195 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I think the approach needs to be you've got to 1196 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,360 Speaker 1: get as close to the center of influence as you can. 1197 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Working with an agent like myself with white tail properties. Uh, 1198 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, we're moving and shaking in these counties all time. 1199 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 1: We're constantly talking to people or people are approaching us. 1200 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 1: So if you're looking for quality land, I think you've 1201 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,640 Speaker 1: got to get to the center of influence, and that's 1202 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: a guy like me Um and kind of like Polk, 1203 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,320 Speaker 1: which is just as good hunting. You could you could 1204 01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: search the typical avenues of of white tail properties real 1205 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 1: estate websites, land Watch, type property real estate websites, Zillo 1206 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 1: even and you can find property there um just as easy. 1207 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,280 Speaker 1: But in an area like that, and probably for a 1208 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: buffaloot too, I'd say get to a guy that is 1209 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: selling land. You want to land specialists, not necessarily a 1210 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,840 Speaker 1: residential real estate because they'll have the insights that you 1211 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: need if you'd like to learn more and to see 1212 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the properties that Neil currently has listed for sale. Is 1213 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: it white tail properties dot com backslash hogger that's h 1214 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:43,320 Speaker 1: A U G E R. Okay, So if we're speaking 1215 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,439 Speaker 1: of that, then the proper way. Is there anything else 1216 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: you would add as far as the proper way to 1217 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,600 Speaker 1: use or set one of these up? So let's say, okay, 1218 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,040 Speaker 1: you've sold me on it. I'm convinced I'm trying to saddle. 1219 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,880 Speaker 1: I pick up a saddle in the second here, I 1220 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,360 Speaker 1: want I want you to talk a little bit about 1221 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,040 Speaker 1: our different saddle options. But before that, let's say I 1222 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,480 Speaker 1: bought a saddle. Now I'm going to go out and 1223 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: actually try using it. What would you tell me to 1224 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 1: make sure I don't use it the wrong way and 1225 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: have a bad experience. Probably the number one thing I 1226 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: would say is when you're standing on your ring of 1227 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,600 Speaker 1: steps and you're actually gonna hook up your lead strap 1228 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 1: your safety straps around the tree, so you're you're you're 1229 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: safely in the tree, but now you want to hook 1230 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: up your lead strap, wrap the rope around the tree 1231 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:31,520 Speaker 1: at about forehead level, not above forehead level, because if 1232 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: you wrap the lead up at arms reach, that leads 1233 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 1: going to be right in front of your face, Whereas 1234 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 1: if you hook it at forehead level, that lead once 1235 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 1: you actually sit down in the seat and disattach your 1236 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: safety belt, it's gonna be coming down to your waistline 1237 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,040 Speaker 1: at about a forty five degree angle. So then when 1238 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: you go to shoot, you know your arm is gonna go, 1239 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,320 Speaker 1: your elbow is going to go right over top of 1240 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: the lead leads, not even going to be in the 1241 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 1: way of anything, and you're in a lot more comfortable 1242 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: shooting position or sitting position. Uh. That's because that's another 1243 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: downside of hooking your tether reel high, is with that 1244 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,360 Speaker 1: lead strap coming down in front of your face. If 1245 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,760 Speaker 1: you want to take a shot ninety degrees to your left, 1246 01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,880 Speaker 1: if you're right handed, which is typically what you set 1247 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: up for, is the shot right to your left, your 1248 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,919 Speaker 1: elbow hits the lead strap. So by hooking it too high, 1249 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,680 Speaker 1: it's not only uncomfortable, it's also a detriment to your 1250 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: drawing your bow back. So you want to keep that 1251 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: lead strap down a lot lower. And I've been doing 1252 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: this since there isn't anybody in the country that's funded 1253 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: out of a harness more than me period end of discussion, 1254 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 1: and I've you know, just like when I first bought 1255 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:45,160 Speaker 1: us a sling, I I was extremely uncomfortable, but I 1256 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,120 Speaker 1: am always looking to move forward in my success rate, 1257 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,439 Speaker 1: and I could see the massive potential of this thing 1258 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,840 Speaker 1: over any ty type of a tree stand. So I 1259 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 1: worked on it and got it worked on it, so 1260 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,440 Speaker 1: it was it worked for me. You know, I figured 1261 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,680 Speaker 1: out how to make this thing work for me, because 1262 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,280 Speaker 1: what I'm hunting out of now is a hybrid. It's 1263 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 1: got little pieces of several different companies harnesses that have 1264 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,640 Speaker 1: been out there, and mind is really really small. It's 1265 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: got a phenomenal adjustment ability, which all of them have 1266 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: adjustmentabilities now. But but yeah, I'd say the number one 1267 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: thing would be keep keep your lead strapped down at 1268 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,000 Speaker 1: ie to Ford at level when you when you wrap 1269 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: it around the tree. Speaking of you've got a hybrid 1270 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: option that you're using. But what are the commercially available 1271 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 1: options if we want to go out and try something 1272 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,640 Speaker 1: like this? What is out there right now? Can you 1273 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 1: can you talk through maybe some of the options pros 1274 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: and cons, what you might recommend anything like that. Both 1275 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: options out there right now are really really good Um, 1276 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the my personal preference is one that just came out 1277 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: now jeff Or Graham, sorry, Greg Godfrey, who's one of 1278 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: the main people at saddle hunter dot com. He's been 1279 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,800 Speaker 1: hunting out of a harness for quite a long time 1280 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: and he's came out with this new and it's called 1281 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,240 Speaker 1: the Mantis M A and T I S and the 1282 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760 Speaker 1: only place you can buy any harnesses online. You can't 1283 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,720 Speaker 1: buy him in stores right now. So his is available 1284 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: at www dot p E t h r D so 1285 01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 1: tethered t E t h r D Nation and a 1286 01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,160 Speaker 1: T A and a t i o N dot com. 1287 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,679 Speaker 1: So www dot t E t h r D nation 1288 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,080 Speaker 1: dot com. And his only ways about a pound. I 1289 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:39,240 Speaker 1: think it's fifteen ounces. Um. So it's it's a minimalist 1290 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,640 Speaker 1: which is, once you pointed out of a harness for 1291 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: very long, you want as minimalist as you can get. 1292 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,519 Speaker 1: And he also has his his site has options of 1293 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: using a small platform to put pet on as opposed 1294 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,360 Speaker 1: to stops. You know, if you're hunting public land, you 1295 01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,439 Speaker 1: know it's a strap on a platform, very very small 1296 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: loan you Lone Wolf used to make one fore harness 1297 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,320 Speaker 1: hunting and what's called the Assassin, and this one is 1298 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,560 Speaker 1: similar but it's smaller. Um. And then the other harnessed 1299 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: company out there is uh It's New Tribe is the company, 1300 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: and they've been in the recreational arborous style harness business 1301 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 1: for years and years and years. They're based out west 1302 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:26,599 Speaker 1: where recreational tree climbing is actually a hobby. Uh So 1303 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,840 Speaker 1: the one that they have on their site is called 1304 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,200 Speaker 1: the Kestral, like a hot k E S t R 1305 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,960 Speaker 1: e L, and that one can be bought at new 1306 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 1: Tribe dot com. Now my preference is the Mantis because 1307 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,719 Speaker 1: they're very similar in style. The Kestral and the Mantis 1308 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 1: are extremely similar. They have the same safety options, they 1309 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,479 Speaker 1: have the same lead strap options. Um The only difference 1310 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,760 Speaker 1: is the Kestral is a solid fabric, so it's it's 1311 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,280 Speaker 1: it's a heavier fabric. When I say heavier, they're both 1312 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: heavy enough to be safe. Um bit's a heavier solid fabric, 1313 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:08,439 Speaker 1: whereas the Mantis has the heavy outside nylon strap. But 1314 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,280 Speaker 1: then the actual seat is made out of mesh, so 1315 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,640 Speaker 1: it rolls up pretty close to the size of a softball. 1316 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,760 Speaker 1: When it's all rolled up, it's very small and ways 1317 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,120 Speaker 1: about a pound. I think the Kestral is about three pounds. 1318 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: And the only difference is that the Kestral is a 1319 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,559 Speaker 1: solid seat and the other one is a is a 1320 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: mesh seat. And also the Mantis, the one that's made 1321 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,920 Speaker 1: out of mesh, the seat is a little bit shallower, 1322 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,800 Speaker 1: which I prefer I just wanted cradling my butt. The 1323 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,679 Speaker 1: the Kestral is a little bit deeper seat, so it 1324 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,000 Speaker 1: it it's up about where your belt would be as 1325 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: the top, and then the bottom is down maybe a 1326 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: tad bit into your thigh. Is there comfort? Mantis just 1327 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,599 Speaker 1: covers your butt cheek. Is there comfort difference there? Then? 1328 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,479 Speaker 1: You know, with that bigger seat, is that going to 1329 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,960 Speaker 1: be more comfortable for some people or maybe for bigger 1330 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,200 Speaker 1: body types or anything like that. Um, well, they make 1331 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,800 Speaker 1: them in size, so you know that that wouldn't be 1332 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,160 Speaker 1: an issue as far as comfort. No, I don't think 1333 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,519 Speaker 1: it's any more comfortable. Okay, what about accessories and stuff? 1334 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,360 Speaker 1: I know when you and I had talked in the 1335 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: past about getting a saddle set up for me to 1336 01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,200 Speaker 1: you someday, there were a whole bunch of different options 1337 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,559 Speaker 1: that you could include. You kind of talked about you 1338 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 1: use this minimalist option but there's a whole bunch of 1339 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,960 Speaker 1: other kind of bells and whistles that some of these 1340 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: saddles have. Can you speak to any of those things 1341 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: that you might recommend her that are out there that 1342 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: people could consider well when you when you buy these harnesses. 1343 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 1: Now back in the day, you know the old tree saddle, 1344 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,080 Speaker 1: it came with everything. Uh, these harnesses because saddle Hunter, 1345 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,360 Speaker 1: the saddle hunter website, there's so many people with so 1346 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:47,160 Speaker 1: many different types of lead straps and adjustment drape you know, 1347 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,160 Speaker 1: prusick not for address adjustment drapes or wrote me in 1348 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,920 Speaker 1: for an adjustment drape and different types of bridge straps 1349 01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:01,000 Speaker 1: um both of these harnesses. Basically you can put whatever 1350 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,040 Speaker 1: type you want on them, and I think that's a 1351 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,479 Speaker 1: very very unique because you can kind of custom fit 1352 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,600 Speaker 1: it to whatever you are doing. Or you have the 1353 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 1: option of awarding the entire kit which comes with you know, 1354 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:18,600 Speaker 1: a factory leads trap, a factory safety belt, um, you 1355 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,200 Speaker 1: know like that where you get what they they you know, 1356 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,200 Speaker 1: whatever they're they've put in this kit. So you have 1357 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: I have a lot of different options. Now my preference is, uh, 1358 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I like using the Ropeman adjustment for my adjustment drapes 1359 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,200 Speaker 1: because it's so quick and simple. Uh. The other option 1360 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,320 Speaker 1: would be a Pruf signot. You know, that's how you 1361 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 1: adjust your drape. The proofs ignots. You know, when you 1362 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,000 Speaker 1: want to make a quick adjustment drape, A lot of 1363 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,200 Speaker 1: times a PRUSI knot it binds. I don't know if 1364 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,559 Speaker 1: everybody knows what a Pruf signot is, but a prufs 1365 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,160 Speaker 1: I knot will Actually they actually binds on the rope, 1366 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,519 Speaker 1: so you have to loosen it up sometimes to make 1367 01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,880 Speaker 1: it slide to adjust your drape, whereas a ropeman it's 1368 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,400 Speaker 1: it's a they're made for the arborist industry and they're 1369 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: very quick adjustment drape just I mean literally two seconds 1370 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,240 Speaker 1: to adjust your grape how you're sitting. And when I 1371 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,200 Speaker 1: say two seconds, I'm not talking about twenty seconds that 1372 01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying is too I'm talking about two seconds, one two. 1373 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,800 Speaker 1: Something just popped in my head as you're talking through 1374 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,040 Speaker 1: this and making adjustments and stuff, is what if you 1375 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,280 Speaker 1: have to adjust what you're wearing? You know, I imagine 1376 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,760 Speaker 1: like you head out on a hunt. It's warm in 1377 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the afternoon, but the sun sets and get temperatures drop 1378 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,720 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen degrees and you want to add another layer. Um, 1379 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: does the harness make it a struggle at all to 1380 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 1: add clothing? Or maybe a rainstorm comes then you want 1381 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,960 Speaker 1: to pull on your rain gear. Do you have to 1382 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 1: get out of the tree to do that? No? I 1383 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:50,439 Speaker 1: changed my clothes almost every single time island, and I 1384 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,759 Speaker 1: do it in the tree. I always, I never because 1385 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,760 Speaker 1: I want my entries to be as cool as possible. 1386 01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm going in as lightweight as feasibly possible. So it 1387 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,320 Speaker 1: f it's cold out, I've got all my layer garments 1388 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,840 Speaker 1: in my backpack. So once I get up on stea 1389 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,000 Speaker 1: and I take off my silt like jacket, throw it 1390 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,240 Speaker 1: over a branch or whatever, let my body cool down, 1391 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,639 Speaker 1: and then I your whole upper body is exposed. There's 1392 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,639 Speaker 1: nothing on your upper body whatsoever. So basically just take 1393 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,320 Speaker 1: off your jacket, put on your layers, and put your 1394 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,839 Speaker 1: jacket back on, and you're hunting. You know it's it's 1395 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,599 Speaker 1: nothing to change your glows. You can't. You can't fall 1396 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,880 Speaker 1: out of this thing. I mean, your upper body is 1397 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,960 Speaker 1: totally exposed. You're you're basically like sitting in a hammocks 1398 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,200 Speaker 1: seat with your feet on steps. So yeah, now you 1399 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,599 Speaker 1: can't change your lower your lower garments, your lower garments, 1400 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 1: whatever you wear in typically you're tied to that. Okay, 1401 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,679 Speaker 1: could you slip brain pants over top of the harness 1402 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: around your waist or is it to with the with 1403 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,160 Speaker 1: the straps coming out of it keep that from being possible? 1404 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 1: Could you? You're gonna have to run that by me again. Sorry, 1405 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to envision this. So if I had 1406 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,160 Speaker 1: like a pair of rain pants that normally I'd slip 1407 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,000 Speaker 1: over and you could, may you put that over top 1408 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,519 Speaker 1: of a harness or something? Would that be able to 1409 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: slide over this? Or no? Because of the straps coming 1410 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,960 Speaker 1: on the front. I'm guessing no, Yeah, you couldn't. You 1411 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,960 Speaker 1: couldn't put rain pants over top of the harness because 1412 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,960 Speaker 1: you got the straps coming out of the front. But 1413 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 1: let me let me back up a little bit. If 1414 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,280 Speaker 1: you wanted to put on a pair of rain pants 1415 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,800 Speaker 1: while you're on stand, yeah you could. Basically what you'd 1416 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,680 Speaker 1: have to do is get your pants out, get the 1417 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,880 Speaker 1: rain pants out of your backpack, you know, while you've 1418 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 1: got all your weight pretty much in your butt, lift 1419 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,439 Speaker 1: up your left leg, put put the pant on that one, 1420 01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,559 Speaker 1: then lift up your right while your left back on 1421 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,800 Speaker 1: another step, put it on that one, and you you 1422 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,599 Speaker 1: could lift your weight up, you know, then you pretty 1423 01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,720 Speaker 1: much stand up where you don't have any weight in 1424 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,919 Speaker 1: your button. You could slide your pants up underneath the harness, 1425 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, and then buckle them up and put them 1426 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,559 Speaker 1: back on. I'm just saying it's it's just not a 1427 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,720 Speaker 1: typical thing to change any of your bottom layers. But yeah, 1428 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,360 Speaker 1: you could definitely put on pants, that wouldn't be an issue. 1429 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,479 Speaker 1: But to take pants off and put on long johns 1430 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:05,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, yeah, that's you could do it. 1431 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,760 Speaker 1: It's just not simple. It's extremely simple to change your 1432 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,839 Speaker 1: upper body garments. But typically weather related, not rain related, 1433 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: but weather related. Your lower body usually has doesn't get 1434 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: cold like your upper body. You know. If if if 1435 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: anything is gonna get cold, it's going to be your 1436 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,760 Speaker 1: upper body and your extremities. Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned 1437 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,640 Speaker 1: how you would put your weight on certain steps if 1438 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to get your rain pants on or something 1439 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,360 Speaker 1: like that. That that brings me to my next question, 1440 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,560 Speaker 1: which was about your your feet situation when you're in 1441 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,800 Speaker 1: these harnesses, both how you climb into it and then 1442 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,920 Speaker 1: also how you position your feet or what you use 1443 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,920 Speaker 1: to rest your feet on when you're actually up in there. 1444 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,040 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of different options people use. 1445 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,760 Speaker 1: You have briefly mentioned what it is you use, but 1446 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,920 Speaker 1: could you walk through the different options for climbing and 1447 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,439 Speaker 1: for standing when you're up there, and then the pros 1448 01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,599 Speaker 1: and cons of those different options. Okay, well, i'm public land. 1449 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,200 Speaker 1: You obviously have to use up on stuff for sending 1450 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,040 Speaker 1: the tree. So you know, if if you wanted and 1451 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,000 Speaker 1: you had a bunch of sticks, you could use strap 1452 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,080 Speaker 1: on sticks, even though they're cumbersome. Or what I tend 1453 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 1: to do is I use strap on steps, which are 1454 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,360 Speaker 1: made by Cranford c R A N F O R 1455 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:19,120 Speaker 1: d UM. Now for private land, I use screw ins 1456 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,160 Speaker 1: or oftentimes if the farmer lefts me, which I do 1457 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,439 Speaker 1: have done this in the past. You know, I'll drill 1458 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: holes with a quarterless drill and put three eighths or 1459 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,320 Speaker 1: half in spikes in the holes, and you know, use 1460 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,160 Speaker 1: those for steps because they're cheaper than buying screwing steps. 1461 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:42,799 Speaker 1: But otherwise, yeah, I screw in steps in my preference. 1462 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Again as Cranford Cranford handed down makes the best steps 1463 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 1: in the marketplace. There's not even anybody that competes with 1464 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,519 Speaker 1: them in my opinion. UM, So I use screwing usually 1465 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,160 Speaker 1: folding steps to go up the tree and then up 1466 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,519 Speaker 1: at the top. For my ring, I will either use 1467 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, bay sick rod steps, half inch rod steps, 1468 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,680 Speaker 1: or even three eights inch rod steps, you know, the 1469 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:10,080 Speaker 1: conventional steps or the they're called Cranford Deluxe steps is 1470 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,719 Speaker 1: my ring, and I'll usually I'll usually space my steps 1471 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: around the ring at the tree, you know, up the 1472 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: top where my feet are going to be on. I'll 1473 01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,360 Speaker 1: usually space the steps about eight inches apart eight to 1474 01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: ten inches max apart, because you don't when you are 1475 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,280 Speaker 1: making those movements if you do need to move around 1476 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,280 Speaker 1: the tree for a shot opportunity, you don't want to 1477 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,680 Speaker 1: make any big, big step, rigid movements. You want them 1478 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,240 Speaker 1: to be very subtle and very simple, so you can 1479 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:41,160 Speaker 1: just easily slide around the tree, which typically don't. Typically 1480 01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,040 Speaker 1: on most times, maybe eighty ninety percent hunch you're gonna 1481 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:49,320 Speaker 1: make your kill from where you're physically standing, where you 1482 01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,599 Speaker 1: prepped your tree in the first place, you know, from 1483 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,799 Speaker 1: the position you're sitting in. UM. But there are occasions 1484 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,320 Speaker 1: one you do have to move around the tree, so 1485 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,160 Speaker 1: you want to make that as simple and easy as possible, 1486 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,839 Speaker 1: and I you screw screwing steps. At the top, there's 1487 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,960 Speaker 1: there's a strap on ring of steps bowls something or other, 1488 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:12,400 Speaker 1: I can't quite remember the name that bowls steps maybe, 1489 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,040 Speaker 1: And it's basically a bunch of steps that are on 1490 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,719 Speaker 1: a ratchet strap. So you can slide the steps wherever 1491 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,559 Speaker 1: you want them and put them in place, and then 1492 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: you tighten your ratchet down and then you get your steps. 1493 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,679 Speaker 1: You know, that's your strap on steps. Cranford is also 1494 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,720 Speaker 1: coming out with some of those, and they should be 1495 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:37,439 Speaker 1: available by by October. Cranford's are going to be metal 1496 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,320 Speaker 1: steps on a ratchet strap. These bowl steps are plastic steps, 1497 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,760 Speaker 1: So I think the metal ones are going to be 1498 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,040 Speaker 1: better when they are available. But right now, the only 1499 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 1: thing available for a ring of steps that are strap 1500 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,280 Speaker 1: on or those bowl steps. Now, what about those platform options? 1501 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,599 Speaker 1: Is that is that more comfortable or is that? Why 1502 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,519 Speaker 1: would why would someone go that route rather than the 1503 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,440 Speaker 1: ring of steps like you're talking about? I have no clue. 1504 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 1: I own. I had a guy give me a lone 1505 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Wolf Assassin stand, you know, which was made again for 1506 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,479 Speaker 1: for harness hunting, and I've never ever used it. I 1507 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,639 Speaker 1: just see no purpose because now I'm getting right back 1508 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,479 Speaker 1: into carrying something cumbersome with me. You know, I'm carrying 1509 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:26,280 Speaker 1: a framed piece of metal, which I don't like doing 1510 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:31,920 Speaker 1: because where I hunt, that's just not conducive to getting 1511 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,320 Speaker 1: to where I want to go. Um. But there are 1512 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,080 Speaker 1: guys on saddle hunter dot com that have used this 1513 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,240 Speaker 1: assassin and now this uh Tethered Nation company they've got 1514 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,960 Speaker 1: one of those platforms coming out, and I don't know, 1515 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,600 Speaker 1: maybe because you can move your feet around more. You know, 1516 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,280 Speaker 1: they don't go all the way around the tree. They 1517 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,719 Speaker 1: just maybe go, you know, a little over ninety degrees 1518 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,519 Speaker 1: around the tree, so you've got something flat to put 1519 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,759 Speaker 1: your feet on. UM. And I think a lot of people, 1520 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,880 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say a lot. I think there's some people 1521 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,519 Speaker 1: that I haven't quite figured out how to use their 1522 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,599 Speaker 1: adjustment drape where you can adjust to where you don't 1523 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,320 Speaker 1: have much pressure on your feet. You know, I'll adjust 1524 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,400 Speaker 1: my drape probably two to three times during a hunt, 1525 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,400 Speaker 1: but again it only takes three or four seconds. So 1526 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,759 Speaker 1: let's say I'm I'm in more of an upright standing 1527 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 1: position where my knees aren't bent that much, and most 1528 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,800 Speaker 1: of my weights on my feet. If my legs get 1529 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,599 Speaker 1: a little tired, you know, I'll just lift my weight 1530 01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,920 Speaker 1: up and let a little bit of my leads trap out. 1531 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,360 Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting where my knees are bent almost 1532 01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,360 Speaker 1: ninety degrees and all my weights on my butt. I 1533 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,960 Speaker 1: have hardly any weight on my feet, and vice versa. 1534 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,439 Speaker 1: I feel like I've got too much weight in my 1535 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,120 Speaker 1: seat for too long a period of time. I lift 1536 01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,719 Speaker 1: up and pull up on my adjustment drape and now 1537 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm sitting more upright, where my knees aren't bent much 1538 01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,800 Speaker 1: and no more my weights on my feet. Um, but 1539 01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,960 Speaker 1: you gotta you have to have the steps go around 1540 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,800 Speaker 1: the tree in certain situations where you see it when 1541 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,759 Speaker 1: you prep the tree, You're you're gonna need it, um, 1542 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, so that you can move around the tree. 1543 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,439 Speaker 1: So even even with that platform, that's gonna be only 1544 01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,240 Speaker 1: where you're sitting, So you're still going to have to 1545 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,519 Speaker 1: put steps beyond that on either side. If you think 1546 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,680 Speaker 1: you're going to have a shot option, a shot opportunity 1547 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,280 Speaker 1: beyond where you're physically sitting while you're at rest. If 1548 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,320 Speaker 1: that made sense. Yeah, yeah, it does. I imagine that 1549 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,200 Speaker 1: seeing these things. I think when you're describing the different 1550 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,120 Speaker 1: adjustment straps and stuff, that's that's a little bit hard 1551 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,040 Speaker 1: to picture in my head right now. But I but 1552 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,479 Speaker 1: I think I get what you're saying. So this is 1553 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,640 Speaker 1: one of those things I imagine though, people, you know, 1554 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,519 Speaker 1: getting your hands on this and actually seeing it will 1555 01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,200 Speaker 1: make a big difference to right. Oh yeah there. I'm 1556 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,080 Speaker 1: making it sound a lot more difficult than it is 1557 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,120 Speaker 1: because it's it's really very very simple. I can climb 1558 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,479 Speaker 1: on a pre prepared tree, I can climb my tree, 1559 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:04,280 Speaker 1: be hooked up, my leads trap be hooked up in 1560 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: I think thirty seconds would be a long time. It's 1561 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:15,559 Speaker 1: that it's that quick, and I've been doing a little 1562 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,920 Speaker 1: long time. But I mean you you if you go 1563 01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,679 Speaker 1: out and saddle hunter dot com to researching this stuff 1564 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,760 Speaker 1: before you even buy it, you know, that's that's what 1565 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,720 Speaker 1: I would suggest that it It will definitely up your 1566 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,880 Speaker 1: kill opportunities. And once you once a person learns how 1567 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: to do it by just talking to somebody that's actually 1568 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,719 Speaker 1: done it for a couple of years, it's very simple. 1569 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,439 Speaker 1: You know. It's just like again, it's just like it's like, 1570 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,960 Speaker 1: once you've got the process down of being taking proper 1571 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,720 Speaker 1: care of your stuff and keeping it in there containers, 1572 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's I can park my vehicle and get 1573 01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,960 Speaker 1: out of my vehicle and be sent free, probably quicker 1574 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,000 Speaker 1: than anybody else I would go hunting with if we 1575 01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,800 Speaker 1: parked at the same time, be out of my vehicle 1576 01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,320 Speaker 1: ready to go before they are. And because I've got 1577 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,400 Speaker 1: the process down and hunting out of harness is the 1578 01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,240 Speaker 1: same way, and it's it's really simple. I would always 1579 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,040 Speaker 1: suggest for anybody to get one, you know, put some 1580 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,760 Speaker 1: steps safeteen inches up off the ground in a tree 1581 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,280 Speaker 1: in your yard around a telephone pole, and just practice 1582 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,240 Speaker 1: from it a little bit. And you know, once you 1583 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,600 Speaker 1: get the movement down and you get the you know, 1584 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: hide to you know, where you hook your lead strap 1585 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 1: and all that down, then just practice however you practice otherwise, 1586 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,800 Speaker 1: and then just you know, climb up your tree and hunt. Yeah, 1587 01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,040 Speaker 1: do you have Is there anything that you do or 1588 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,280 Speaker 1: things that folks should be thinking about as far as 1589 01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,120 Speaker 1: getting set up in the tree, you know, more efficiently 1590 01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,080 Speaker 1: or quietly, Because I imagine this is one of those deals. 1591 01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,760 Speaker 1: As we're talking, if you're freelance hunting or being a 1592 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,840 Speaker 1: mobile hunter, when you're going in and getting set up 1593 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,320 Speaker 1: right then and there to hunt, and maybe you're tight 1594 01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:57,280 Speaker 1: to a bedding area or something where there's gonna be 1595 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,920 Speaker 1: deer within earshot. You know, is there anything you do 1596 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,880 Speaker 1: make sure that you're not spooking deer that you're able 1597 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 1: to pull this off. It's a little bit more um 1598 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,760 Speaker 1: involved than just climbing up a ladder and sitting down 1599 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,960 Speaker 1: or something like that. So any advice on that front. Well, 1600 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,160 Speaker 1: when I'm freelance hunning with my harness, uh, my concern 1601 01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,200 Speaker 1: about spooking deers with my physical presence and noise getting 1602 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,559 Speaker 1: to the tree. Um, you know, as far as prepping 1603 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,960 Speaker 1: the tree, you know, screwing steps don't make any noise. Uh, 1604 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: hooking up my harness does not make any noise. You know, 1605 01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,720 Speaker 1: obviously when the foliage is down. If I'm in a 1606 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,120 Speaker 1: bedding areas, you know, as I get up the tree 1607 01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:37,160 Speaker 1: twenty you know, with good folds being down, if there's 1608 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,439 Speaker 1: something better within forty fifty yards, they may visually see me. 1609 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,320 Speaker 1: But other than that, I'm never worried about the noise. 1610 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:45,840 Speaker 1: It's not like a tree stand where you gotta pull 1611 01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,920 Speaker 1: up a clanky old piece of metal up a tree, 1612 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,040 Speaker 1: and you're gonna make noise. I don't care who you are, 1613 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna make noise with a tree stand either pulling 1614 01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,679 Speaker 1: it up the tree or hooking it up, you're gonna 1615 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,800 Speaker 1: make noise because you're you're altering bark and stuff. If 1616 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,000 Speaker 1: you're in a rough bark tree and and a lot 1617 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,000 Speaker 1: of them have chains and whatever. So you're or with 1618 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,080 Speaker 1: a climber, God use, there's no light and get up 1619 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,200 Speaker 1: the tree with a climber without making noise. That's physically 1620 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,400 Speaker 1: impossible with the harness. And I'm making it. I'm making 1621 01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,880 Speaker 1: it sound like this wonderful utopian hunting system, which it 1622 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,880 Speaker 1: is once you learn how to do it. Um, But 1623 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,120 Speaker 1: it's there is no noise. You know, you don't make noise. 1624 01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,799 Speaker 1: Screwing in a tree step you don't make noise. Wrapping 1625 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,080 Speaker 1: a rope around a tree and and hooking into your 1626 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,960 Speaker 1: waist that doesn't make noise. So there is no noise 1627 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,200 Speaker 1: other than me physically going up the tree or me 1628 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:40,160 Speaker 1: physically walking to the location. So okay, so let's rewind 1629 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,160 Speaker 1: a little bit in this process. Though, let's actually go 1630 01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,400 Speaker 1: back down we're on the ground, we're freelancing. We found 1631 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,000 Speaker 1: a location that we think looks good. Can you walk 1632 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,400 Speaker 1: us through what you're thinking about when choosing the actual tree. Um, 1633 01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,960 Speaker 1: I know you've talked about how the harness gives you 1634 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,080 Speaker 1: the ability to hunt a much wider diversity of trees. 1635 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 1: But is there anything in particular that you are looking 1636 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,960 Speaker 1: for that's going to help you say, Okay, yes, this 1637 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,200 Speaker 1: is a tree that will work, you know, for you know, 1638 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,479 Speaker 1: to take a step back for context. For as a 1639 01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,599 Speaker 1: tree stand hunter, when I'm looking for where i want 1640 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,439 Speaker 1: a hunt, I'm looking for a tree stand that's within 1641 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,040 Speaker 1: range of the feature or trail or whatever thing I 1642 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,280 Speaker 1: think is gonna pull deer within range of me. But 1643 01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,200 Speaker 1: then I'm also looking for a tree that I can 1644 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,200 Speaker 1: get up into with my strap on sticks. I'm also 1645 01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,920 Speaker 1: looking for a tree that has enough cover at the 1646 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,840 Speaker 1: height I want to be at, so so I'll be 1647 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,559 Speaker 1: hidden up there. I'm also looking for something that's gonna 1648 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:32,080 Speaker 1: give me um adequate shooting lanes, you know, with minimal trimming, 1649 01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,880 Speaker 1: you know. So I'm looking for a bunch of different 1650 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: things when picking that right tree. What is it you're 1651 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,240 Speaker 1: looking for in your situation. Well, I'm looking for the 1652 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,840 Speaker 1: exact same things you just mentioned. But when you're hunting 1653 01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,759 Speaker 1: out of a harness, you open up pretty much every 1654 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,200 Speaker 1: tree in the area. I don't know how many times 1655 01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:57,160 Speaker 1: I've talked to hunters that find a destination location and 1656 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,639 Speaker 1: there is no adequate tree or their climber or their 1657 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,880 Speaker 1: hang on because hang on typically have chose you know, 1658 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna tree because of the strap a specific diameter, 1659 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,680 Speaker 1: So they have to actually set up away from the 1660 01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,200 Speaker 1: destination site on the best routes to it, and that 1661 01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:21,400 Speaker 1: negates some of the other outs coming to the destination site, 1662 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and it totally negates the destination site altogether because you're 1663 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,640 Speaker 1: the best signed to it. So you're missing out on 1664 01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,639 Speaker 1: some opportunities with the harness. You know, I can hunt 1665 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,639 Speaker 1: a four inch diameter tree, I can undertreat it's three 1666 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,519 Speaker 1: foot diameter. I can hunhertreat it's leaning. There's just it 1667 01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,280 Speaker 1: opens up a lot more tree options for me to 1668 01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,680 Speaker 1: prep at or closer to the destination site, so I 1669 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,439 Speaker 1: can take advantage of all the sign and all the 1670 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,519 Speaker 1: runways feeding this destination site as opposed to two or 1671 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:54,400 Speaker 1: three that feed it. You know, old back here where 1672 01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,720 Speaker 1: I have a suitable tree for a conventional stand. So 1673 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,599 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm all I'm looking for of the same thing. 1674 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking for the tree that's going to be in 1675 01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,360 Speaker 1: the best spot to give me the best concealment cover 1676 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:07,920 Speaker 1: up the tree. And that's another thing about a harness. 1677 01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,559 Speaker 1: You typically will end up hunting igher because you're so 1678 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,599 Speaker 1: safe and comfortable once you get used to it. So 1679 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,320 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna set up possibly thirty ft when 1680 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,120 Speaker 1: the foliage is down during the rod phases, because you 1681 01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,679 Speaker 1: don't want dear to pick you with their peripheral vision 1682 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,759 Speaker 1: like you would in a tree stand. Um, most guys 1683 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,439 Speaker 1: that are freelancing with tree stands, you know, they're typically 1684 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,880 Speaker 1: carrying sticks in a tree in a tree stands, so 1685 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,920 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of stuff on their backs, and 1686 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,960 Speaker 1: they're not only limited to the tree, but they're making 1687 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot of noise when they're setting the trees up. Um. 1688 01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,679 Speaker 1: So the harness just opens up a just a lot 1689 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,479 Speaker 1: more opportunities and in pretty much every aspect of hunting. 1690 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,679 Speaker 1: The only time I could see where and I can't 1691 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,040 Speaker 1: even say that, I was gonna say Michigan, as you 1692 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,200 Speaker 1: as you well know, Mark probably eight percent of the 1693 01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,080 Speaker 1: hunters in Michigan hunover bait, which is gonna be interesting 1694 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,880 Speaker 1: with a c w D anything going on. Um, But 1695 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,160 Speaker 1: so many hunters that hunt over bait, you know, they 1696 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,519 Speaker 1: they set up tree stands because they never ever have 1697 01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,280 Speaker 1: to move, you know, the deer coming to a three 1698 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,400 Speaker 1: foot destination spot. The only downside is usually they're they're 1699 01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,280 Speaker 1: in a position in the tree where you know, in Michigan, 1700 01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,479 Speaker 1: you hunt that spot a couple of times, and now 1701 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,439 Speaker 1: every every mature dough and even subordinate boxing sometimes even 1702 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,759 Speaker 1: the fauns after a couple of months, they're they're looking 1703 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,080 Speaker 1: at that tree before they even walk into the bait pile. 1704 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,719 Speaker 1: I don't bait that. I've heard that a million times. 1705 01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, they get picked so easy. So so with 1706 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,559 Speaker 1: the harness, uh, you know, I was gonna say, you know, 1707 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,439 Speaker 1: sitting in a tree stand. A lot of people like 1708 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,120 Speaker 1: that because they think it's more comfortable and you're just 1709 01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,439 Speaker 1: sitting in one location, shooting at one destination spot. But 1710 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:47,320 Speaker 1: with the harness, you could actually be on the back 1711 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,400 Speaker 1: side of the tree. In fact, that happened to me once. 1712 01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,759 Speaker 1: And this is a really great story and it's about 1713 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,200 Speaker 1: a do so it's not a mature book. I was. 1714 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,240 Speaker 1: I had a friend hunting publicly and and he had 1715 01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,160 Speaker 1: to hang on and he was hunting over bait and 1716 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,160 Speaker 1: this is up by evert and he had this big 1717 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,519 Speaker 1: mature dough that was coming through this swampy area. And 1718 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 1: before she would actually exit the swamp and come to 1719 01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 1: his daypile, which was maybe ten or fifteen yards out 1720 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,800 Speaker 1: into a little opening by this big tree he was 1721 01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,920 Speaker 1: hunting in. She she would come to the edge and 1722 01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,960 Speaker 1: she would look at the bait, and she'd look up 1723 01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,360 Speaker 1: in the tree and she would see him in his 1724 01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,880 Speaker 1: tree stand, and then she'd start blowing and snorting, and 1725 01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much his funk was over for the evening. 1726 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:32,759 Speaker 1: So he called me up one evening and he's talking. 1727 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,000 Speaker 1: We're just talking, and he mentioned then, I'm like, we 1728 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,360 Speaker 1: want me to go kill her? He said, how are 1729 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,040 Speaker 1: you gonna kill her? I said, do you want me 1730 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,080 Speaker 1: to go kill her or not? Sure? I'd love the 1731 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:47,200 Speaker 1: kill her because she's ruining all my aunts. So I said, okay, 1732 01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, and he when showed me where it was 1733 01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:50,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and I went back 1734 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,800 Speaker 1: and I climbed up into his tree, standing and I 1735 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,519 Speaker 1: put another I don't know, four or five steps up 1736 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,120 Speaker 1: on the back side of the tree, and then hooked 1737 01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,240 Speaker 1: up in my harness. WHI, I'm on the back side 1738 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,400 Speaker 1: of the tree trunk. And exactly what he said happened. 1739 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,479 Speaker 1: This big dog came out, stood on the edge. She 1740 01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,000 Speaker 1: had two ponds behind her, stood on the edge of that. 1741 01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,840 Speaker 1: She probably stood there for five minutes, and that's a 1742 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,639 Speaker 1: long long time, and she would look to the left 1743 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,759 Speaker 1: and look to the right. She looked up in the tree, 1744 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 1: she looked at the bait, and she did that for 1745 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,120 Speaker 1: a long time. Finally she felt comfortable because she couldn't 1746 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,000 Speaker 1: see anything and she couldn't smell anything. And she walked 1747 01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,320 Speaker 1: in and started feeding. And first when she was feeding 1748 01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,040 Speaker 1: on the bait, she was facing the tree. She was 1749 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,439 Speaker 1: looking right at the tree. Well, then the fonds came out, 1750 01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,240 Speaker 1: and after you know, two or three minutes, she became 1751 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,840 Speaker 1: comfortable and she moved into a position where I had 1752 01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,840 Speaker 1: a broadside shot and her attention was focused elsewhere. And 1753 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,400 Speaker 1: I just swung around at the side of the the tree 1754 01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:49,840 Speaker 1: and shot her. And that was the end of that. 1755 01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,840 Speaker 1: Um So I mean that. And that guy was a 1756 01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,000 Speaker 1: good hunter. He was a very good hunter he had. 1757 01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:58,720 Speaker 1: He had a lot of cover up there where his 1758 01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,400 Speaker 1: tree stand was, but he had to be in a 1759 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,880 Speaker 1: position because it was a big damn her tree. He 1760 01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,360 Speaker 1: had to be kicked a little off to the side 1761 01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:08,200 Speaker 1: and she could pick him interesting, you know his tree stand. Yeah, 1762 01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,920 Speaker 1: So so that scenario makes me think of another question. Um, 1763 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, related to making the shot from the saddle 1764 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,439 Speaker 1: or moving. Is there anything that we haven't covered yet 1765 01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,320 Speaker 1: as far as you know, advice on how to actually 1766 01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,719 Speaker 1: handle when you're up in the tree, how to move, 1767 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,960 Speaker 1: when to move, how to get set up for certain 1768 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,920 Speaker 1: shot situations. Um, Because again it is unique compared to 1769 01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,000 Speaker 1: sitting down in a tree stands, standing up and making 1770 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,760 Speaker 1: a shot. Anything that we haven't touched on yet as 1771 01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,720 Speaker 1: far as how to correctly maneuver up there, No, it 1772 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:40,560 Speaker 1: would be. It would be identical to maneuvering if you 1773 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,559 Speaker 1: were going to hang on or physically sitting in a climber. 1774 01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,760 Speaker 1: You see stuff coming, you assume your opportunity is going 1775 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,280 Speaker 1: to be here when all this stuff culminates together, and 1776 01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:57,479 Speaker 1: you move accordingly prior to when that opportunity is going 1777 01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,240 Speaker 1: to happen. Only differences with a harness you're gonna have 1778 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,320 Speaker 1: three sixty degree shot opportunities, So there's gonna be times 1779 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,560 Speaker 1: when you need to move to prepare for a specific 1780 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,799 Speaker 1: shot opportunity, Whereas if you were hunting out of a stand, 1781 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,560 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have that opportunity. You have to hope he 1782 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,800 Speaker 1: comes to the side of the some place around the 1783 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,639 Speaker 1: tree where you could actually shoot, because you can't shoot 1784 01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,479 Speaker 1: on the back side of a tree, if a tree 1785 01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,840 Speaker 1: of any diameter. So but it would be the same 1786 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,920 Speaker 1: as a tree stand, you know, the same as a 1787 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,200 Speaker 1: tree stand. If if you're in a tree stand and 1788 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,160 Speaker 1: you're expecting your shot to be somewhat forward or to 1789 01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,080 Speaker 1: your left, and a deer you see your shot opportunity 1790 01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,960 Speaker 1: coming and it's going to be from the right side 1791 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,200 Speaker 1: of the tree stand, you have to stand. You have 1792 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,360 Speaker 1: to physically stand up before that opportunity gets there because 1793 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,720 Speaker 1: you see it coming and you you are in the 1794 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:50,160 Speaker 1: ready position for that shot. So you're basically standing up 1795 01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,760 Speaker 1: and turn around on an eighty degrees so you can 1796 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,439 Speaker 1: have that shot opportunity. Now it's to your left, but 1797 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,599 Speaker 1: when you were sitting it was to your right, so 1798 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,280 Speaker 1: it's a it's exact same scenario. You know, and obviously 1799 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:04,920 Speaker 1: a novice Funner is gonna have a little bit more 1800 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,960 Speaker 1: difficult time. More as a season, Donnor is going to 1801 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,920 Speaker 1: know what to do and when to do it. You 1802 01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,920 Speaker 1: know something I glossed over and I meant to ask 1803 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,760 Speaker 1: you about. I want to take us back down to 1804 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,760 Speaker 1: the bottom of the tree. Now again, um, back to 1805 01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,559 Speaker 1: this freelance situation, we're walking around. You talked about how 1806 01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:22,280 Speaker 1: you picked a tree and how it's similar to the 1807 01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,320 Speaker 1: things I was looking for. Um, But the next step 1808 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,479 Speaker 1: for me is always Okay, now, what amount of prep 1809 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,800 Speaker 1: do I need to do? Because and again this is 1810 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,160 Speaker 1: a situation where I haven't already pre prep a tree 1811 01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,360 Speaker 1: in the spring or summer, but now I'm actually out 1812 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,880 Speaker 1: there on the day I want to hunt, and I'm thinking, Okay, 1813 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,760 Speaker 1: how much do I need to trim to make this huntable? 1814 01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,840 Speaker 1: And how much you know, what lanes do I need 1815 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,280 Speaker 1: to cut to make sure I have a shot. And 1816 01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,519 Speaker 1: there's always this careful balancing act between opening up enough 1817 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,400 Speaker 1: so I can get a shot, but then also not 1818 01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:53,240 Speaker 1: making any more disturbance than I have to. Also don't 1819 01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,400 Speaker 1: want to open up any more and eliminate any more 1820 01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,599 Speaker 1: cover than I have to, Um, can you talk us 1821 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,639 Speaker 1: through how much of that you do in this type 1822 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,360 Speaker 1: of scenario, Um, what your thought processes on that. Yeah, 1823 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,600 Speaker 1: it totally depends on where I'm hunting. If I'm if 1824 01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm hunting out west, uh, and I'm gonna pretend I 1825 01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:15,160 Speaker 1: don't have a good sign control regiment, okay, and I'm 1826 01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,360 Speaker 1: concerned about the wind and deer winded me. I'm gonna 1827 01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,439 Speaker 1: pretend that's the case, which it's not. If I'm hunting 1828 01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:24,280 Speaker 1: out west, I'm going to once I find a tree 1829 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,040 Speaker 1: it's within shooting distance of all this sneat cool sign, 1830 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,280 Speaker 1: whether it be scrapes or of a rub line or 1831 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,559 Speaker 1: a scrape line, or that's there's a white oak over 1832 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:36,800 Speaker 1: there with the acorns on it. Um, I'm gonna probably 1833 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,360 Speaker 1: if I need, I'm gonna probably go to the destination 1834 01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,519 Speaker 1: shots spots where I think I might get a shot 1835 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,320 Speaker 1: and look at the tree where I think I'm gonna 1836 01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:46,639 Speaker 1: be sitting once I prepare the tree, and I'm gonna 1837 01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:50,200 Speaker 1: maybe clear something because out there I'm not concerned so 1838 01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:56,040 Speaker 1: much about as as much about older. I'm gonna try 1839 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:57,880 Speaker 1: and still be as free as possible, but I'm not 1840 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,959 Speaker 1: as concerned about things as I am in Michigan. In Michigan, 1841 01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk to the tree, prep the tree. I'm 1842 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,160 Speaker 1: not going to cut anything unless it's a branch going 1843 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,080 Speaker 1: up the tree. Then I'm gonna physically be hunting in 1844 01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of times I'll cut little branches off 1845 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,080 Speaker 1: because I don't want to coming down after dark. I 1846 01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,520 Speaker 1: think I'm stepping on a step when in the actuality 1847 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,040 Speaker 1: it's a dead branch or something I don't want to, 1848 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, then this branch breaks um. So in Michigan, 1849 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:30,440 Speaker 1: I won't go out if I'm freelancing and clear runways, 1850 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:35,600 Speaker 1: because I personally would because of my sec control. But 1851 01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,519 Speaker 1: I also in Michigan, I don't want to even have 1852 01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:44,040 Speaker 1: the order from cuttings. People that just don't realize what 1853 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,000 Speaker 1: a difference it is hunting pressured animals with heavy pressure 1854 01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,640 Speaker 1: versus lightly hunted or managed areas. When you go in 1855 01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 1: and you even cut shooting lanes and you're gonna hunt 1856 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:57,639 Speaker 1: that evening in a state like Michigan, and you're after 1857 01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,240 Speaker 1: three and a half year old and older bucks or 1858 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,120 Speaker 1: pennsylvani you're West Virginia or upstate New York. You know, 1859 01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:08,560 Speaker 1: just the odor from what trees you cut could potentially 1860 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,960 Speaker 1: make a mature buck not come to that destination site 1861 01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:16,080 Speaker 1: because that odor is not supposed to be there, whereas 1862 01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,240 Speaker 1: in lightly pressured states and manager areas, they're not going 1863 01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,160 Speaker 1: to pay that much attention to it if they're going 1864 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,600 Speaker 1: to do what they do anyway. Um, So, depending on 1865 01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,880 Speaker 1: where I'm at, it's going to depend on how I 1866 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,600 Speaker 1: prepare the site location as far as shooting lanes. I 1867 01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,560 Speaker 1: guess if that's does that kind of answer your question? Yeah, yeah, no, 1868 01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,280 Speaker 1: and it makes it makes perfect sense, and I'd say 1869 01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,040 Speaker 1: it's probably in line with what I've seen to so so, 1870 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,080 Speaker 1: so back to this umbrella topic of being a mobile hunter, 1871 01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:49,920 Speaker 1: we talked through a lot of things related to what 1872 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:51,880 Speaker 1: you do with the saddle. We talked a little bit 1873 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,160 Speaker 1: about some of the ideas that you could, you know, 1874 01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,200 Speaker 1: use generically no matter what it is, whatever kind of 1875 01:38:57,240 --> 01:39:02,440 Speaker 1: hunting setup you have. But is there any major angle 1876 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,519 Speaker 1: on this topic that we haven't touched on, John, that 1877 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,400 Speaker 1: you think we should as far as how to be 1878 01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,479 Speaker 1: a mobile hunter or how to use this kind of 1879 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,840 Speaker 1: idea of philosophy best, or even anything else on the 1880 01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:16,360 Speaker 1: saddle side of things that we haven't covered. Well, no, 1881 01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,360 Speaker 1: not really. I guess the only thing would be I 1882 01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:26,120 Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't want your viewers to your listeners to think 1883 01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:30,519 Speaker 1: that this is strictly something for mobile freelance hunting. You know, 1884 01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,840 Speaker 1: this is something I've used exclusively. I haven't hunted out 1885 01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,920 Speaker 1: of a tree stand in years. Um. So this is 1886 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,200 Speaker 1: something I've used exclusively in all my hunting locations, and 1887 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:45,160 Speaker 1: I've I'm probably in Michigan because I I lose property 1888 01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:46,680 Speaker 1: all the time. You know, if I kill a big 1889 01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,800 Speaker 1: buck on somebody's property to gave me permission and they've 1890 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,120 Speaker 1: got nephews and stuff, well as soon as they know 1891 01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:53,960 Speaker 1: you killed the big buck, they want to hunt there, 1892 01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,599 Speaker 1: and then you're the one that's out and they're in. 1893 01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,439 Speaker 1: So I've hunted probably in my fifty plush years of 1894 01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:03,439 Speaker 1: Michigan over hundred different private, small private parcels, and I 1895 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,280 Speaker 1: think I've wanted nineteen different public land parcels, one of 1896 01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,920 Speaker 1: which I took a state state record off. Um. But 1897 01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to pigeonhole this harnessed thing into just 1898 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:17,439 Speaker 1: mobile freelance hunting. This is something that you should that 1899 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,479 Speaker 1: I've used on all of my tree set up since 1900 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:26,679 Speaker 1: so this is you know, just inline general purpose hunting 1901 01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:32,200 Speaker 1: on my hunting stand basically. Yeah, and it just happens 1902 01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,439 Speaker 1: to Yeah, and it just happens to work phenomenally well 1903 01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,760 Speaker 1: for any situation, whether it be you know, all my 1904 01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,080 Speaker 1: prepared locations or a freelance or a mobile. You know, 1905 01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,240 Speaker 1: it just works well for for everything because because it's 1906 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,920 Speaker 1: it's small, it's lightweight, it doesn't make noise. Um. You know, 1907 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,639 Speaker 1: you put a bunch of steps in a fanti pack 1908 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,639 Speaker 1: you and so you can take off freelancing. It's it's 1909 01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:59,880 Speaker 1: not cumbersome. All that stuff matters. Yeah, I'm planning a 1910 01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,799 Speaker 1: hunt this coming October up into the Boundary Waters Wilderness 1911 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,840 Speaker 1: area of Minnesota where you actually have to canoe in 1912 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,880 Speaker 1: on the canoe in for a week into the back 1913 01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,160 Speaker 1: country and try to find some deer. And this set 1914 01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,400 Speaker 1: up with a saddle just seems like the the absolute 1915 01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,599 Speaker 1: best way to do that because taking in a stand 1916 01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,679 Speaker 1: and sticks or multiple stands and sticks, along with everything 1917 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,160 Speaker 1: else we need to live out there for a week, 1918 01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,800 Speaker 1: our bows, food, etcetera, etcetera like that would be really 1919 01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,560 Speaker 1: difficult to get all that in a canoe and portaging 1920 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,840 Speaker 1: from lake to lake. This this saddle thing just seemed 1921 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,760 Speaker 1: like the absolute perfect tool for that kind of hunt. 1922 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:40,479 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to r F c T. You're absolutely 1923 01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:44,120 Speaker 1: correct that is the hardest thing is going to be 1924 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,439 Speaker 1: perfect for that situation. Yeah. Um, I'm excited too. And 1925 01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,759 Speaker 1: we started to give it a try. And I appreciate John. 1926 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,120 Speaker 1: You you're walking us through all these different ideas and 1927 01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:56,320 Speaker 1: how you're using this tool and and some of the 1928 01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,720 Speaker 1: different tactics that you're using that. I think that you 1929 01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,400 Speaker 1: know a lot of this could be helpful with people, 1930 01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,439 Speaker 1: even if they don't end up using the saddle. I 1931 01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,040 Speaker 1: think some of your your higher level philosophies here could 1932 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,639 Speaker 1: be applied to whatever kind of hunting tool you want 1933 01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,559 Speaker 1: to use. So so it's it's good stuff. Is there 1934 01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,280 Speaker 1: is there anything John, before we wrap this up that 1935 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,280 Speaker 1: you could point folks towards, um if they want to 1936 01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:17,960 Speaker 1: learn more from you. I know you've got all sorts 1937 01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,200 Speaker 1: of books saying, you've got some online things going on workshops. 1938 01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,200 Speaker 1: Can you just kind of give us the rundown of 1939 01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:28,160 Speaker 1: how we can learn more from you? Uh? Sure? Um? 1940 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,800 Speaker 1: I've written three books co authored him with my son 1941 01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:35,519 Speaker 1: Chris Bonding, Pressured White Tails, Precision Bon Hunting and Bonding 1942 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,960 Speaker 1: White Tails ebarret Way and there. I'm sure they're still 1943 01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:44,440 Speaker 1: available at Amazon, and they're also available on my website 1944 01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,360 Speaker 1: at d E E R hyphen j o h n 1945 01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:54,080 Speaker 1: dot net. And I've also published three instructional DVDs there 1946 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,080 Speaker 1: through two hours long. Each one is on postseason scouting 1947 01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,559 Speaker 1: in location prep, the second ones on in preseason scouting 1948 01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,840 Speaker 1: in location prep. In the third ones in season hunting 1949 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:08,080 Speaker 1: Techniques and Tactics. Um So, we've got the DVDs and 1950 01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,800 Speaker 1: the books are all on my website and I'm also 1951 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,559 Speaker 1: doing these. Last year I started doing these uh oh 1952 01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:19,400 Speaker 1: god ball hunting deals where people come in for two 1953 01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,599 Speaker 1: days into central Michigan. First days in field, second day 1954 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,719 Speaker 1: is at a large sporting goods store in their sinar 1955 01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,800 Speaker 1: room where we do seminars. I do seminar and do 1956 01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:33,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Q and A with the attendees, limit 1957 01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:37,320 Speaker 1: them to tend per procession on sund control pretty much 1958 01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:38,880 Speaker 1: anything to do with hunting. And on day one in 1959 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,680 Speaker 1: the field, we're looking at all my locations on this 1960 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,439 Speaker 1: three seven acre piece of piece of property. We're going 1961 01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:49,200 Speaker 1: by fourteen locations, explaining entry routes, exit routes to each 1962 01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:54,120 Speaker 1: location morning spots, evening spots, midday spots, early season spots, uh, 1963 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:59,639 Speaker 1: you know, pre rut spots, rut phase locations. Basically explaining 1964 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,519 Speaker 1: the rye the reason Typically when I get out my 1965 01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:04,840 Speaker 1: harness at the first site, people are like, where's your 1966 01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,519 Speaker 1: tree stand? Because I'm say, I'm gonna get up in 1967 01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,559 Speaker 1: this tree and I've got my harness in a little 1968 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,439 Speaker 1: tiny Fannie pack. I mean it's it's literally discisibles offball. 1969 01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,200 Speaker 1: When I pull that out and get up in the tree, 1970 01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:20,000 Speaker 1: they like freak out, literally freak out at how small 1971 01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,120 Speaker 1: and and this thing is and how quiet it is 1972 01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:24,479 Speaker 1: and how fast I get up in the tree and 1973 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:27,480 Speaker 1: prep it. But anyway, these are called white Tail Workshops. 1974 01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,120 Speaker 1: They're also on my website and then I'm also doing 1975 01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:40,080 Speaker 1: just started these in May. I taped YouTube topic videos. 1976 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,679 Speaker 1: They're short videos three or five minutes each for Deer 1977 01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:46,439 Speaker 1: and Deer Hunting, the Deer and Deer Hunting magazine, and 1978 01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,519 Speaker 1: they started airing in May and there's a new one 1979 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,160 Speaker 1: being released every Tuesday on the Deer and Deer Hunting 1980 01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:59,080 Speaker 1: website through the end of November. So these for the 1981 01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,719 Speaker 1: title of this series is public and pressured Land Deer 1982 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:07,120 Speaker 1: Hunter with John Eberhardt. And again these were done in 1983 01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,519 Speaker 1: conjunction with Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. UM, I will 1984 01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:16,280 Speaker 1: send you the link mark and people can kind of 1985 01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:23,320 Speaker 1: click on these links and basically, once you watch one video, UM, 1986 01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:25,599 Speaker 1: it'll there'll be a little pop up where you can 1987 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,720 Speaker 1: watch the previous one and so on and so on, 1988 01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:29,959 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a new one released every Tuesday 1989 01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:34,040 Speaker 1: through the end of November. UM. And you know my 1990 01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,960 Speaker 1: criteria for Deer and Deer Hunting asking me to do 1991 01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,840 Speaker 1: that was again, I've got thirty one bucks in the 1992 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,479 Speaker 1: Michigan record book in nineteen from out of states. I've 1993 01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,280 Speaker 1: got fifty bucks in the record book off from public 1994 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:48,320 Speaker 1: and you know, free permission properties. Uh. So everything I've done, 1995 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,160 Speaker 1: ever done in my life has been pressured. I've never owned, released, 1996 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,320 Speaker 1: or paid a dime to hunt any place in my life. 1997 01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,559 Speaker 1: And so that's why they came to me to do this. 1998 01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,719 Speaker 1: So that's about it, yea. That it's it's all helpful stuff. 1999 01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,840 Speaker 1: I've seen the videos, I've read the books, I've watched 2000 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,400 Speaker 1: the DVDs. UM, it's it's all been very helpful to me. 2001 01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,320 Speaker 1: So I appreciate everything you've done, John. And actually, the 2002 01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,599 Speaker 1: last summer um I was speaking at a back Country 2003 01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,000 Speaker 1: Hunters and Anglers event and you and a bunch of 2004 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:21,360 Speaker 1: the attendees for that weekend's White Tail Workshop were able 2005 01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,320 Speaker 1: to meet us up there, and I got to talk 2006 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:24,760 Speaker 1: to some of the people that have been with you 2007 01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,920 Speaker 1: at the workshop, and it seemed like they had learned 2008 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,479 Speaker 1: a lot from your event as well. So it seemed 2009 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,799 Speaker 1: like that's a that's a great educational opportunity for folks. 2010 01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,920 Speaker 1: So John, I appreciate you. Know what, I gotta say something. 2011 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,000 Speaker 1: I want to tell you thank you too, because you 2012 01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:45,439 Speaker 1: and your site has helped so many hunters, and you know, 2013 01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,280 Speaker 1: I think your goal is like mine. I just want 2014 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:50,240 Speaker 1: to try and educate hunters to be the best that 2015 01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,080 Speaker 1: they can be and be the most successful they can be. 2016 01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,559 Speaker 1: And and your site is hands down the best one 2017 01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:58,600 Speaker 1: out there as far as podcast and I want to 2018 01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,479 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that to the hunting world. I 2019 01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,519 Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, John. That means a lot coming 2020 01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,800 Speaker 1: from someone who who has helped me so much. So 2021 01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,320 Speaker 1: let's make sure to to do this again. John. It's 2022 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:13,479 Speaker 1: always a good time and I'm really excited to give 2023 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,080 Speaker 1: the saddles to try this year and maybe next year 2024 01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,400 Speaker 1: around this time we can talk about my first season 2025 01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:22,080 Speaker 1: trying one and um, I'm sure I'll make some mistakes 2026 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:23,960 Speaker 1: and maybe you can help me figure it out. After that, 2027 01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and help you figure it out before 2028 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,720 Speaker 1: you have any opportunity to make any mistakes. That's an 2029 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:34,800 Speaker 1: even better idea. All right, John when holds it? Thank you, 2030 01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,960 Speaker 1: and that's gonna be a rap. Folks, appreciate you tuning 2031 01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,880 Speaker 1: into this one. Hopefully you've found it interesting. My usual 2032 01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,000 Speaker 1: spiel here, I will stick to just asking you to 2033 01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:48,800 Speaker 1: rate or review the podcast if you haven't done that yet, 2034 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,160 Speaker 1: I'd also encourage you to subscribe to the podcast. And 2035 01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,040 Speaker 1: while you're subscribing things, i'd say go to the wire 2036 01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,120 Speaker 1: to Hunt YouTube channel, check out the videos and posting there. 2037 01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,479 Speaker 1: I just did a whole series analyze in my two 2038 01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:04,200 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen Hunt for the Buck I've been calling holy Field. 2039 01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,439 Speaker 1: It's been a three year process. I'm heading into year four, 2040 01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,719 Speaker 1: so I just broke that whole thing down in three videos. 2041 01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,559 Speaker 1: Check those out. Um, hopefully I'll set us up for 2042 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,599 Speaker 1: some good stories and some interesting things here in two 2043 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,760 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. So with all that said, I will just 2044 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,040 Speaker 1: say one more thing, which is that I appreciate you. 2045 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to listen. I appreciate 2046 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,960 Speaker 1: you supporting Wired to Hunt. And until next time, thank 2047 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,160 Speaker 1: you and stay Wired to Hunt.