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Speaker 1: I saw the big screaming headline key offseason dates, and

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Speaker 1: then when you consider the date on which it was

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Speaker 1: actually published, posted, and there was actually no significant mention

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Speaker 1: of the most significant date in a decade. At least

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Speaker 1: that's what it says here on this story. That's what

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Speaker 1: I see all over the internet, that the palindrome that

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Speaker 1: is today's date to twenty two twenty two, Yes, putting

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Speaker 1: the two into Tuesday, if you will. And this is

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Speaker 1: in some rock and roll station where they're playing two

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Speaker 1: from led Zeppelin. We're talking Tuesday as in the palindrome,

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Speaker 1: a phraser number that's the same backwards and forwards. Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban as the overseer of the website that is Acy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com, there was no real breakdown of the

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Speaker 1: palindrome upon which the offseason really begins, to twenty two

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Speaker 1: twenty two, And how do you figure it begins that day? Well,

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Speaker 1: according to other offseason dates, this is the first day

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Speaker 1: that sort of just sets into motion all the business

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Speaker 1: transactions upon which everything follows, Right, Danny, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I figured there's two kinds of people out there right

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Speaker 1: there's Pauli palindrome and then there's the folks who are

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Speaker 1: celebrating National Margarite to Day, which happens to fall on

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Speaker 1: two twenty two, twenty two. So you're one or the other.

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Speaker 1: There's only two kinds of people. Why do you have

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Speaker 1: to be one or the other. Why can't you celebrate

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Speaker 1: the palindrome actually the Palindrome week, it's not just the day.

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Speaker 1: Why can't you celebrate that with margarita? You're right, I

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Speaker 1: do view that as two distinct demos. I really don't

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Speaker 1: see like the palindrome folks associating and partying with the

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Speaker 1: national Margarita people. But it could be one in the same.

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Speaker 1: You're put out a put out a social media ad today,

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Speaker 1: No old number twenty two put out a social media

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Speaker 1: ad because apparently he I get it, he works with

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Speaker 1: a tequila companies. I see Paul mccardinal's great Emmett Smith

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Speaker 1: did he did? He launch his own tequila with twenty

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Speaker 1: two in it? And that's all the rage right now?

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Speaker 1: You launch your tequila brand with your area code next

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Speaker 1: to it. Right That's that's like three or four of

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Speaker 1: those right now, celebrities putting out the right tequila. And

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Speaker 1: now he's doing eight beer. The eighth beer. Right, So

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Speaker 1: there you go. I mean, I guess I bring that

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Speaker 1: New York Post they interviewed a palindrome enthusiast. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean. He's a professor of electrical engineering at the

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Speaker 1: University of Portland, not to be confused with Portland State,

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Speaker 1: the alma mater of Neil Lomax, by the way, former

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Speaker 1: all time great cardinal quarterback. Okay, he's been quote studying

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Speaker 1: palindrome dates for over fourteen years. And in the picture

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Speaker 1: This is like Bill Walton big Lebowski moment. Man, speaking

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Speaker 1: and I quote, it's a means of self expression. That's

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Speaker 1: you know, the advanced analytics actually don't come into it. Boy,

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Speaker 1: if we were able to do gifts off of looks

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Speaker 1: right now, I just would have had one off. Dan.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that is a lot of math to do,

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Speaker 1: second after Kyler that draft? Here, here's the problem right now, Paul,

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Speaker 1: of the things that they have about Kyler in certain ways,

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Speaker 1: as much for a player that good? So that's what

426
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Speaker 1: makes a draft so fun. Then again, Steve Kim has

427
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: been at his best when it comes to traits. Yeah,

428
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: And if you're looking at the fact that Super Bowl

429
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: fifty seven is in your own building and you feel

430
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: like the rest of this roster, if you're able to

431
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: keep most of it intact, and you're looking at a

432
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: team that started seven and oh, ten and two and

433
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: you can correct what happened went wrong in December and January,

434
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: maybe you are closer than what's going to happen to

435
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: the Rams and how many of their pieces are they

436
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: going to be able to retain. We've already gone through

437
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: on this podcast. What could happen to the rest of

438
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: the NFC depending on where Aaron Rodgers ends. Even if

439
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: they get Aaron Rodgers back in Green Bay, they're like

440
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars over the cap. So depending on what

441
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: else happens, you figure, if your time is now, could

442
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: number twenty three just be a trade piece. And once again,

443
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Steve Kime has been at his best when he's made

444
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: picked up the phone or fielded calls and executed trades.

445
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: So I wondered to what degree that Cardinals do follow

446
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: the blueprint that the Rams just put out there well well,

447
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: trading the unknown for the known Before that, I think

448
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: my point I was going to make the beginning of

449
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: your last statement was is it fair for us and

450
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: everyone to say can you carry off of last year

451
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: in the sense of you were so close you might

452
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: need a few more pieces, when so many of those

453
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: key pieces are now free agents. So I'm just curious

454
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Speaker 1: to know of, you know, the good of this team

455
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: that got them to seven and ten and two of

456
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: so many names are free agents, and realistically, who's going

457
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: to be back from James Connor, Chase Edmonds, zach Ertz,

458
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, like all of these names, it's just Christian

459
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: Kirk something to be curious about aj Green of Realistically,

460
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: are they going to be far off or not from

461
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: what got them to that point last season. This isn't

462
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. They're not They're not going to keep the

463
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: band together for one more run. I don't. There's just

464
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: no way that's going to happen. For multiple reasons. I

465
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: don't think it would be funny if they trade it

466
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Speaker 1: out of the first round. They're the only NFC West

467
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: team with a first round pick, and then they could

468
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: trade out of it, and just the whole division says,

469
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: let screw it. But this discussion is always fascinating to

470
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: me at this time. I mean, honestly, I know very

471
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: few of the potential draftees, especially once you start talking

472
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Speaker 1: about beyond the probably the quarterbacks until after the combine,

473
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Speaker 1: because I'm just not paying attention to it. And so

474
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: much changes with free agency in terms of what might

475
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Speaker 1: happen in the draft. Unless you're picking really high and

476
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Speaker 1: you might need a quarterback, you know, that's that's not

477
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: going to change in free agency probably, But for a

478
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: team like the Cardinals and picking at twenty three, I mean,

479
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: we can't. There's just no don't. I don't think even

480
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: they could have a good idea of what they might do.

481
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Speaker 1: With that draft pick until we get through free agency,

482
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Speaker 1: which is still a couple of weeks out after the combine.

483
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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm fascinated to see. Going back to

484
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Speaker 1: what Danny was saying, the number of guys that they

485
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Speaker 1: have that are free agents who might stay, and what

486
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Speaker 1: they might be able to do otherwise in terms of

487
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: moving the cap around, doing things with a cap, how

488
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: would all that work out? I mean, I'm gonna paint

489
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Speaker 1: you a best case scenario. Tell me if I'm if

490
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this through you know, these cardinal red

491
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: colored glasses. Okay, this athletic list of the top free

492
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: agents comes out. James Conner incomprehensibly is not on the

493
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: list of the top seventy five free agents. But maybe

494
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: that's a harbinger of what's to come. Maybe that's a

495
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: sign of how the rest of the league views the

496
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: running back position. I was gonna say, why would that

497
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: surprise you? Exactly? So look at James Connor signed on

498
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: the line that has dotted last year for less than

499
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: two million dollars, and so a guy in his prime,

500
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: now he has a Pro Bowl season under his belt,

501
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: still getting ignored in the list of the top seventy

502
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: five free agents. Maybe the Cardinals do make a pretty

503
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: darn good offer that other teams aren't well and it

504
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: doesn't break the bank. I could see, just based on

505
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: the position he plays. James Conner comes back, and we

506
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: all know the importance of him as a playmaker and

507
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: the mentality he was on offense, and how guys raved

508
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: about James Conner and what he did for the Cardinals

509
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: in that locker room, in that sideline, and we all

510
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: saw at firsthand Chase Edmonds as a running back. Maybe

511
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: he takes a one year deal. I could see Chase

512
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: Edmonds languishing for a while and free agency no one

513
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: comes forward within a significant long term deal. He likes

514
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: it here, he figures, Okay, maybe this is my best

515
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: place to excel ali him for next offseason. He's back.

516
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. I tend to think he's gone. The tag

517
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: isn't realistic. Darren mentions the number. He's number six in

518
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: this ranking. I think his reputation is one of the

519
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: top premier pass rushers of the last decade. He's on

520
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: the All Decade team. I think he's gone. I'd assust

521
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: my gut feeling he's gone. You address the past rush

522
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: position number twenty three. Overall, Christian Kirk, there's an X

523
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: factor the need for receivers in this league, and I

524
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: think when you look at the film there's a lot

525
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: to like. I think there's going to be interesting Christian

526
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Kirk big time. I'm curious to see which way that trends.

527
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: But if you're able then to somehow in free agency yourself,

528
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: get that other receiver or two, because right now the

529
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: only nons in the receiver spot are DeAndre Hopkins and

530
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore. As we talked to Seun Jefferson about, everything

531
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: else is TBD. Right when it comes to and Rondel Moore,

532
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: if they move and if they move him outside a

533
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: little bit more Rondel Moore and get him downfield. Sean

534
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Jefferson is of the opinion he is fully capable of

535
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: that that his route tree is exceptional for a rookie

536
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: and he can make plays downfield, something we did not

537
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: see a whole bunch of, obviously from Rondel Moore during

538
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: his rookie year, and he got banged up most of

539
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: the second half of the season as well, so that

540
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: didn't help. Right there, You've brought back a pretty good nucleus. Now,

541
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at interior guard Justin Pugh and

542
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: his contract situation, that right guard spot. What is Justin

543
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: Murray's status with a back injury. He was your best

544
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: right guard. You really could have used him down the stretch. Okay,

545
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: those are the sort of things, But I think there

546
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: is a plausible scenario where, despite all the free agents

547
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: to be the Arizona Cardinals are looking at and the

548
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: potential for change, I think it's somewhat realistic you could

549
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: keep a good nucleus of those guys together. It would

550
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: be the edge rusher to Danny's point that I think

551
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: is the big X factor, and that extra receiver, and

552
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: if you could somehow check those two boxes, and who

553
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: knows what Steve Kime has in mind. You never know

554
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: when you're gonna wake up one day and JJ Watt

555
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: is sending out a tweet wearing a Cardinals shirt in

556
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: a squat rack, and then all of a sudden everything

557
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: changes with the addition of one or two pieces. I

558
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: love the optimism. I'm not saying it's not possible, but

559
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't see realistically all of those scenarios working out

560
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: as nicely as you just described, and I'm sorry, that's

561
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: not personal Paul. I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer.

562
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: What's wrong with it being personal against Paul? Because Paul

563
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: and I share an office. You can be personal against Paul,

564
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: and you can up to a whole different level. Well

565
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole different level, but well you

566
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: go up to the third floor. True. Believe me, I'm

567
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: during more than twenty years of this, so I'm definitely calloused.

568
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: You know. You let me have it, and you are,

569
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: and that's fine. I'm not. I'm not. I like the

570
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: idea of that. I just realistically, I think when you

571
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: start talking about the cap and all those things as well,

572
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: I just don't realistically see that happening in terms of

573
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: what a lot of those players are probably hoping to get,

574
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals might be able to offer them. Who

575
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: are they going to draft? I think all of I

576
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: just don't realistically see. You don't even touch on tight ends. Well, oh,

577
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: and then the tight end scenario if you figure, Okay,

578
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: now Max Williams coming off injury, is he really gonna

579
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: get a big money deal on it? He's around thirty

580
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: years of age, right, Max Williams. Is he going to

581
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: get a big money deal anywhere? I could see Max

582
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Williams coming back easily just and then is zach Ertz.

583
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: You heard him talk about his affinity for the a

584
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Z and the wife is from Mesa and they're enjoying

585
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: things here. I could see him taking a deal at

586
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: this point that is team friendly because it works for

587
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: their lifestyle and their liking. Reason he didn't want to

588
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: stay in Philadelphia was because he wanted a nice extension

589
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: and couldn't get it. I want to live in your world.

590
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: That was Philadelphia. That's before he got all the free

591
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: vitamin D as they like to say, with all the

592
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: sunshine in Arizona. So you know, I'm just I'm trying

593
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: to paint somewhat plausible picture. I mean, is zach Ertz Well,

594
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: zach Ertz was available all of last offseason and up

595
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: until the trade deadline? Did anybody trade for him and

596
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: make him that offer? What makes you think they're gonna

597
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: do it now? Well? I think one of the reasons

598
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: was because they knew he was going to become a

599
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: free agent, and they knew that could if they really

600
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: wanted him, they could sign him after the season was over.

601
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: They could have made a deal last offseason during the

602
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: year and extended discontract at any point. That's saying I'm

603
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: not Look, I'm not ruling out that any of these

604
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: guys come back, but it's it's gonna take. When you

605
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: talk about the cap guru, Matt Harris and Steve Kim

606
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: and the front office, it's going to be interesting to

607
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: see how kind of how all they juggle all this stuff,

608
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: because they are going to have to juggle some things

609
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: to make some of these things happen because of some

610
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: of the cap numbers that they are facing. And it's

611
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: it's all very doable. It all is very doable. But

612
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: the question is do you want to upgrade again? It

613
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: only takes one team out there to wow James Connor

614
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: or zach Ertz or Chandler Jones or whoever we're talking about,

615
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, for for zach Ertz and

616
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, this is they're going to see this as

617
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: their last big chance. James Connor may or may not

618
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: have that. But if James Connor can't cash in on

619
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: the season he just had, he's not going to cash in.

620
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he knows that too. There's one other

621
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: position though that I think is underrated that I do

622
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: think is a need. Dare I say dire need, and

623
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: that's D tackle. I think this team could really benefit

624
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: from a stud D tackle who has a future in

625
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: front of him, a young, young and they're very hard

626
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: to get albeit, but that is one thing. The position

627
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be Jordan Phillips in that investment

628
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: then never materialized. There's a reason they went out and

629
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: went after Jordan Phillips two years ago. And that's still

630
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: a need. And you saw the inconsistent rush defense, and

631
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: you saw the inability to collapse the pocket from the inside,

632
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: and you saw too much attention paid to fifty five

633
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: because there wasn't that interior D lineman that he could

634
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: pair up with and run games with. Sack Allen at

635
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: times was that guy. He was banged up more than

636
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: we thought by the end of the year. He was

637
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: dealing with persistent injuries and there were times where he flashed.

638
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: But he's really that franchise stud defensive tackle. No, he's

639
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Speaker 1: a great, he's a starter. Legitimately, he's in that rotation,

640
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: but you got to get that guy. And so if

641
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: for all this talk and myself included about an edge

642
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: rusher or a corner or another receiver or maybe a

643
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: big time interior guard. At number twenty three overall, the

644
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals on Draft Day in the first round ended up

645
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: with a defensive tackle. I would not be shocked. No,

646
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be either. And it's funny you bring that up,

647
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: because again, this is why the draft is so fascinating,

648
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: especially in the early round. If the Panthers had not

649
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: taken Derek Brown and there was talk about whether they

650
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: would take Isaiah Simmons or Derek Brown. This, as we

651
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: saw on flight Plan, the Cardinals were ready to take

652
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: Derek Brown. And if you have Derek Brown and not

653
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, that just would have been fascinating to see

654
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: how that played out, because you'd probably still be talking

655
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: about finding a young sideline to sideline linebacker, but you

656
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: might have the defensive to you might need. That's how

657
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: it always plays out. Yeah, no, well that's what I'm saying, like,

658
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: there's always that hindsight of whatever you're missing you could

659
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: have had. You know, we talk about Ceedee Lamb now

660
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it would have been nice to

661
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: have Ceedee Lamb, but you know you were going to

662
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: have a whole somewhere because you weren't going to draft

663
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: whoever you in that case, Isaiah Simmons. Here's here's the

664
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: other thing, too, is when you talk about first round picks,

665
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: does anybody think Jordan Hicks was coming back as great

666
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: a season as he had and the fact that he

667
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: was voted to captain by his peers in the locker

668
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: room again, as great as he was with the media,

669
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: and he won the good Guy Award right for the

670
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: media at the end of the year. He deserved it. Yes,

671
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: the Lloyd Herberg Award, I want to get that right.

672
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Isn't that correct? Showan Steve Schoenfeld Award is the is

673
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: the media award. The Lloyd Herberg is the team MVA

674
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: team of Okay, thank you for the clarification. See that's

675
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: why I asked this sort of stuff over here, Danny.

676
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: But if you bring Jordan Hicks back, which I do

677
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: not expect, but let's just say you did, does anyone

678
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: have doubt he would beat out Zaven Collins again in

679
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: your first round pick from a year ago would be

680
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: on the bench again. It would not be your mic linebacker.

681
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: So if there's one thing I'm fairly certain of this offseason.

682
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: You're not gonna see Jordan Hicks in a Cardinals uniform

683
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: next year because he's standing directly in the way of

684
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: progress of Zaban Collins, the sixteenth pick overall from twenty

685
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: twenty one. Is he a free agent? No, yeah, I

686
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't think so. I just don't think you're going to

687
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: see him on this roster, whether it's a trade, whether

688
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: it's a release. I could. I can understand your argument.

689
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: He's yeah, if they if they do something, it would

690
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: they would have to make the move to do it.

691
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that wouldn't happen. Um. I guess in

692
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: the end it would kind of depend on how you

693
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: feel about zabn Um. You know. The other thing is

694
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: is if you feel like Jordan Hicks, his contract is

695
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: such that works, and I don't know if you after

696
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: everything that happened, if you do this again. But you know,

697
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: it's not like you don't need three linebackers in there,

698
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, and if you get rid of him, who's

699
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: that third guy? Even if you want to like pave

700
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: the way for Zaven Collins. I'm fascinated to see this,

701
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: and that includes how they line up their linebackers in

702
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: the first place. I mean, both Isaiah Simmons and Zaven

703
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Collins took some snaps down the stretch as edge linebackers. Now,

704
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: do either one of them really fit the mold how

705
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: you'd really want? No, Isaiah Simmons isn't bulky enough, and

706
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if Zaven Collins really is that is

707
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: an outside rush type guy. But maybe that's what they do.

708
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's what we're missing right now, is

709
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: if they move along from Chandler Jones, which may or

710
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: may not happen, that maybe they're planning on using one

711
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: of those guys out there in some kind of package.

712
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. You'd love to say, hey, look what

713
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did with Michael Parsons, can you move Zavin

714
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: Collins outside. Michael Parsons seems to be a singular talent,

715
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: so I think that's yeah. I don't I don't know

716
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: if you want to put that on Zavon Collins right now.

717
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not exactly sure what the film said

718
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: about Zavon Collins. The reps he got on the outside

719
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: linebacker spot in December and January, But you know, I

720
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: didn't see Michael Parsons where you knew it the moment

721
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: you moved that guy to the outside and he was

722
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: crushing the pocket and getting to the quarterback on a

723
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: regular basis. I mean, you know it when you you know,

724
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: and he just he just had had that inherent pass

725
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: rush ability. Deserve really one defensive Rookie of the year. Yeah,

726
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: So you know that's that's when I look at this

727
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: offseason and you guys are going to get a sense,

728
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: are you not? You're gonna go. You're going to Indianapolis.

729
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: You may or may not have a chance to get on.

730
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Are they are the decision makers meeting the media like normal, Darren?

731
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: They are. They're gonna have those press conferences, both the

732
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: head coaches and the gems from each respective club. Not

733
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: every one does it, but as far as I know,

734
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and Steve come will be meeting the media.

735
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: Nice okay. And there's no boycott, right they haven't. I

736
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: saw this stuff over the holiday weekend and I'm like,

737
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's going on with all this? The

738
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: boycott and the boycott you speak of was it was

739
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of agents frustrated because in an effort to

740
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: be careful with COVID. They had basically told players that

741
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: you're going to be in a bubble once you get there,

742
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: and you can't have outside people meeting up with you.

743
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: And the agents had a problem with that, especially since

744
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: oftentimes at the combine, agents and their players bring trainers

745
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I've seen it multiple times walking through

746
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: the convention center in the middle afternoon or even at night,

747
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: and the convention center can be empty a lot of

748
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the time if you go into the right places. And

749
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: yet they have guys like running sprints through the convention

750
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: center because it's indoors and you there's nobody around, and

751
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: you can get them warm and you can do all

752
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. And the idea is to be ready for

753
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: your workout. And they didn't like the idea that these

754
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: uh that these coaches or trainers couldn't be there, so

755
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: they had a problem with it um and the NFL

756
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: basically said, Okay, you guys win, you don't have to

757
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: be in a bubble. Please be careful, but we're not

758
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: going to hold you to a bubble. So there's no boycott. Now, Well,

759
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: that still means some guys aren't going to necessarily work out,

760
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: and they were always gonna go. They just weren't going

761
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: to work out. They were gonna go and do the

762
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: interviews with the teams, do some of the media, Uh,

763
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: do the medicals. They just weren't going to do the

764
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: workout stuff, which some of them will now and and

765
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: well we'll see how that plays out. I mean, there's

766
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: always guys that don't do it. Anyways. So I had

767
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: no idea. I've never been to a combine so full

768
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: of sculture. You're missing some really good stuff, Paul sarcastic, Darren,

769
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go to Indianapolis. You know you've been there,

770
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: and and he's missing some really good stuff, isn't he. Anyways,

771
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I just had no idea that they brought all these

772
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: support personnel with them. Like I'm fully aware that these

773
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: top prospects are getting ready for the combine in the draft,

774
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: and they have weight coaches and speed coaches and nutritionists

775
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: and therapists and I don't know, maybe a mental strength coach.

776
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: But I had no idea that they brought this whole

777
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: team with them to Indianapolis. I don't know if they

778
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: bring the whole team, but they bring, you know, a

779
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: couple guys for the drills that they do. And even now,

780
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: like the NFL moved at the bench press and the

781
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: on field stuff used to be on different days. The

782
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: NFL is trying to get the bench press and the

783
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: onfield stuff for these players on the same day, and

784
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of players might just say, yeah, I'm not

785
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: benching here, I'll do it on my pro day. And

786
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: also to a lot of players end up working out

787
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: the same facilities with a lot of the same trainers. Yeah. Yeah,

788
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: it's not like every single guy's gut a different Yeah.

789
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean you can have a group of guys gotcha. Okay. Well,

790
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: as one agent said, I'm looking here, uh, it's not

791
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the time to be guinea pigs for change and use

792
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: your career as a bargaining chip. So a lot of

793
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: the agents were not on board with the changes the

794
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: NFL was thinking about, and so they acquiesced. As Lee

795
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: Steinberg said, it's in the interest of the NFL to

796
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: have full participation of all three hundred and twenty four prospects.

797
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: We're going to show up and so, okay, I get it.

798
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: So that's the latest from the boycott update desk. There

799
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of consternation about yes,

800
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the Ukraine and Russian

801
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: let's all. It's gonna be as called. Now let's let's uh,

802
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: let's hope it doesn't do this stock of the prospects

803
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: what it did to the stock in Wall Street put

804
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: it that way. So what are you so, Darren so

805
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: gig As someone who's never been there, I mean, give

806
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: us a little primer on what you expect to come

807
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: away with at Combine twenty twenty two. Well, I mean,

808
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: for me, in this particular circumstance, the biggest thing that

809
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm coming away with doesn't really have to do anything

810
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: draft related. It's going to be the first and probably

811
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: the only time for a while that we're going to

812
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: hear from Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury in this first

813
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: part of the offseason, and obviously with everything that's going

814
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: on with a quarterback, that's going to be something that

815
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: everybody's very interested in. So that's the main thing. But

816
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean getting a chance to hear from some of

817
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: these players kind of where they are. I plan on

818
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: doing a couple of stories on a couple of Arizona

819
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: State players that are there that could all always make

820
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: some interesting, interesting stories locally here and you know that

821
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: it's a chance to kind of hear hear what's going

822
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: on in the league. I don't partake in this as

823
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: much anymore as I used to, but there's as much

824
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: business getting done in the bars and the restaurants after

825
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: hours in Indie between media and teams as there are

826
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: during the day, because that's just kind of the culture

827
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: of it, and it's going to be interesting to see.

828
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I know, the time for the Combine to be an

829
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: Indie every year is coming to went in. I think

830
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: there's a chance that still could go back every once

831
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: in a while, but they're going to open it up

832
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: to move it around. Is that official? They are going

833
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: to move the Combine around. It's official, and I don't

834
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how they're going to pull that off.

835
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: Because India is like uniquely suited with the stadium and

836
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: all the buildings connected to you never really have to

837
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: walk outside, and all the hotels downtown and all the

838
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: places to eat and all this stuff. It makes a

839
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: lot of sense to have all that down there. I

840
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know what happens if you try and have them

841
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: do it at Sofi Stadium in La like we've been

842
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: to Inglewood enough times. You know what hotels are everybody's

843
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: staying at there's It's not like there's a bunch of

844
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: stuff within a walking distance of the stadium. So I

845
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how that exactly would work. The

846
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: NFL probably figures well. H with COVID, we had to

847
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: call an audible, you know, every single day, and everything

848
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: had to change. So we'll deal with that when we

849
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: get there, right, they'll probably just get the best bid

850
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Speaker 1: from the best hot city and maybe and then go

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Speaker 1: from there. I'm guessing. So, so, Danny, what do you

852
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Speaker 1: think once again when you go to these combines, you know,

853
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Speaker 1: what do you hope to come away with after this

854
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Speaker 1: road trip? I think something pretty similar along the line.

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Speaker 1: Sadarin is talking more to not only you know, front

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Speaker 1: office staff, but also a chance to kind of pick

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Speaker 1: the brains of some of the scouts too, And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is where they get their chance to shine, which

859
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: is really great and kind of getting a feel for

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00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: that kind of side of things. It is also exciting

861
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Speaker 1: to get a chance to hear from a lot of

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Speaker 1: these top prospects that are going to be there when

863
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Speaker 1: they're doing their press conferences at the podiums and just

864
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for everything going up and

865
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Speaker 1: leading up to the draft and go from there. So

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Speaker 1: it should be fun to bring warm enough coats. There

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Speaker 1: are two events that key. There are two events that

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00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: when I'm sitting there and I'm watching them, I'm always

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00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: questioning my existence, like shouldn't you be doing something better

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00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: with your time? CALVC is when I'm watching the Pro Bowl,

871
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: And when I'm watching the NFL network coverage or the

872
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: Combine and I'm watching offensive linemen go through the three

873
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: cone drill and whatever else, I'm like, what am I doing?

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00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: What can I possibly glean from this over here? And

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00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: why why am I not doing something more productive with

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Speaker 1: my time? Somebody watching these drills from the Combine, somebody's

877
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: gleaning because those those TV ratings always higher than you'd think,

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00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you know what. I wonder though, if you had to

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00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: pick one of the drills, what drill do you think

880
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: you would be best at? Then I would be best at?

881
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, none of them. You're pretty tall, you

882
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: could jump pretty high. No, I cannot jump. I couldn't jump.

883
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: When I couldn't jump, I certainly can't jump anymore. I

884
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: heard we're at our meeting today, our staff meeting, and

885
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: somebody makes a joke about how we should be going

886
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: through the combine drills. It's definitely not me. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I have no interest in being rich eyes. And let

888
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: rich eyes and be rich eyes. And he can run

889
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: the floor back running. The other day, I spent all

890
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Speaker 1: day Sunday and early Monday barely being able to get

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00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: around my house because, like I was, so my back

892
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: was all but gone. Which was funny because I just

893
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: went to the restroom earlier today in the building and

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00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: you know who else throughout his back was training. It

895
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: was Mike Bercovici, and God bless Mike Bercovici. But he's

896
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: no closer. He's so young. I mean, he's way closer

897
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: than my son's age than me, and he looks way

898
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: worse off than this back injury. But uh, and I

899
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: saw like the last time, dar and stop with the deadlifts.

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00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: Why are you doing deadlifts at your age? Stop? It

901
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: might just knock it off. So, getting back to your question, Danny,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything. I never had any speed.

903
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: I definitely never had any hops. Um, just because I'm tall,

904
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: I might be able to catch the ball but it

905
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: would be really slow. I mean I'd be running through

906
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: that thing really slow. Somebody, somebody once. I remember doing

907
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: a tryout for a baseball league one time and they

908
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: were trying out all the people and I got around

909
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: the bases and somebody one of the coaches, which always

910
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: makes you feel good when you're a kid and you

911
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: have the coach say I could have timed that with

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Speaker 1: a sun dial. I feel like I'd be okay. At

913
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Speaker 1: the forty or the drower, you're running like latterly cross

914
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: the field, you have to turn to the left and

915
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: catch a ball. That's what I'm saying. I could do

916
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Speaker 1: the catching, but I'd be really part of me thinks

917
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Speaker 1: that also be the person that goes viral every year

918
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Speaker 1: where you are late turning your head and you get

919
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: hit in the face and you have to keep your

920
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: composure and keep running. What about you, Paul Dan, I'm

921
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of offended. A They asked the question and B

922
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: you didn't answer the question immediately With bench press, I mean,

923
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: how can you not look at me winning the off

924
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: season and I think how I would excel obviously at

925
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: the bench press. I just why is she smiling? All

926
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Speaker 1: I know is last time I was at the combine,

927
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Speaker 1: I happen to see live and in person. Then a

928
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Speaker 1: issue punter Matt Turkey twenty five reps on the bench

929
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: press and I'm like, oh my god, it's right. Then

930
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: he went undrafted. Receivers don't even get ten reps. Yeah,

931
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: and then he went undrafted and had to go back

932
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: to a su and then he transferred from there. So

933
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Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle, if you're still listening to this point, yes,

934
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Speaker 1: it's still worth drafting upon her. By the way, don't

935
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: don't did the Matt Turk story should not distract anyone

936
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: from the reality is you should draft. I mean, look

937
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: at Evan Shooter McPherson and what he did for the

938
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals this year as a fifth round pick because

939
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: they're a kicker, and he went to Walve for twelve

940
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: in the player obviously enough for the Super Bowl, come

941
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: on out. So maybe I'll just leave it with that,

942
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Mike trop how about that, Well, you can't leave it

943
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: with a mic drop of you doing the bench press

944
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: once again. By the way, you guys clossed over to

945
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: Tim Hasselbeck comments, You guys realize that Tim Hasselbeck's brother

946
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: was the franchise quarterback for the Seahawks. And you realize

947
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: they spent all last offseason insisting Russell Wilson wasn't going

948
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: to be Seahawk, and then he was a Seahawk. Well,

949
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: then he went on the eight Rodgers, wasn't going to

950
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: be a packer, and he was a packer. By the way,

951
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: By the way, the four teams of Russell Wilson team

952
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Russ offered last offseason that he'd be willing to go

953
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: to because he has in the no trade Chicago obviously

954
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: they have justin fields now, the Raiders, Derek Carr had

955
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: a heck of a season. Dallas, well, they paid Dak Prescott.

956
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: New Orleans was the four team dot dot dot. Oh

957
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: my eyebrows are raised. Does New Orleans need a quarterback?

958
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Yes they do? Now are they also like seventy plus

959
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: million over the CAPA, yes they are, but how that

960
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: would take some incredible cap journey just said and by

961
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Speaker 1: the way, the graphic and we tweeted this out Epleclby

962
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: see the graphic at the bottom. Read Russell Wilson wants

963
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: out and I think the Seahawks would be happy to

964
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Speaker 1: move him. Quote end quote attributed to Tim Hasselback. So

965
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying there could be movement in the NFC

966
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: West when it comes to quarterback. Just look at Seattle

967
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Speaker 1: national media based on some of these murmurs we're getting

968
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Speaker 1: now in some of these reports. And we'll leave it

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