WEBVTT - Player's Lounge: You Don't Start Here 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.640 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.240 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:10.560 Cowboys. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:17.360 This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:22.880 World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts, Barry Church, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.239 Heckma Harrison, and Newie Scrugs. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.440 It is time for the Players loundes right here on 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.960 Dallas Cowboys dot Com, brought to you by Aristocrat Gaming. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.480 We've got a special guest with us. He is mister 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.000 forth DeLong, North Carolina National champion. He is Jesse Holly 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.520 filling in for Barry Church. Mister Holly, former Cowboys special 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.000 Teamy wide receiver, appreciate you being here like you Hem 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.400 Harrison and me Newie Scruggs. As the Cowboys are getting 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.200 closer to their Monday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:02.319 the line has dropped five and a half. Yes, and 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.560 big news coming out of the Star today from head 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.800 coach Mike McCarthy, Zach Martin is going to have season 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.880 ending ankle surgery. Here Heckma, your thoughts. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:18.000 Damn it, man, this has been that kind of year 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.480 every I mean, you're losing guys, You're losing key players, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.240 and in those twelve and five seasons. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:24.560 Man, I think we just got spoiled. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.840 The Cowboys were really lucky to have their health in 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.679 those seasons, man, and that's why you would have expected 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.560 them to make a deeper run into the playoffs because 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.280 of the injuries. But losing a guy like Zach Martin, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.360 it can't be good. You've lost Michael Parsons for parts 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.880 of the year for a very long time, Dak is gone, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.000 So I mean this team has been beat to hell, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.560 and you lose a piece like Zach Martin, man, that 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.680 is that is a hard thing. And then really just 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.440 the cherry on type top to the type of season 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.200 that the Cowboys have had. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.320 I feel worse for the person. Like I know that 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.880 the team lost yeah of their best offensive linemen. I 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.440 feel bad for the person because no way, shape or 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.840 form that in the mind frame and the mindset that 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.880 the mind thinking of Zach Martin that he think his 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:18.919 career ultimately would end on the ir you know, And 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.480 there has been talks and I'm leaning like every most 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.799 people thinking that this the end of the road. This 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.680 it for him, This it for him, because when you 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.200 start talking about and thinking about that retirement. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.960 Happened and It sucks. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:40.120 It absolutely sucks because the compassionate person in me, the 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.040 empathetic person in me, goes, boy, you would have liked 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:48.000 for that dude to have all of the individual accolades. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.200 But also to say, boy, I did some other magical 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.959 things in the playoffs. I got to a super Bowl. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.520 I did some pretty special things. But he'll end his 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.240 career and it will be start the clock. It'll be 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.799 start to clock the canton and uh and see how 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:07.200 this thing pans out for him. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.800 But I mean, with an incredible career for a guy 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.920 like Zach, I don't mean to be putting dirt on 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.640 them already, but you know the writings on the wall 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.320 for for who he is as a player I was 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.720 sending the other show. Now, I'm not saying that he 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:26.040 completely dead because if for some odd reason, the Joneses 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.880 decide and this offseason that's not their forte. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.440 But they were resetting this year to get some more money. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.160 If they go and grab a couple of them high 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.920 level free agents, like you know, the ones that you know, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.560 the ones that come out early, you know, you know 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.640 talking about the ones though day one ones, the ones 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.200 that actually come into your team and make a significant. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:43.840 Difference in the game changes. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.640 They're gonna grab a few of those and some draft picks, 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.120 and now O. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.200 Martin may say, you know what, see you guys in oxygen? 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.760 Are you gotting? Are you in? Are are you in? 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.360 Or you're out on that? 0:03:59.520 --> 0:03:59.560 What? 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:00.920 What? What would stop him? 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.040 Rock hoffmin ain't stopping him if he wanted to come 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:07.040 back for So if he looks up and he goes, oh, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.600 Jerry playing again, I'm gonna stay out here on this 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.520 ranch and it's tend of these horses and playing with 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.520 my kids on they off days and do all that stuff. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.160 But if you look up and go, hold on now, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.880 oh he signed him, Oh we got him too, hold 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.080 on now, let me see, let me see if they so. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.640 Then let me throw this at you. As a player, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.040 when you get to that point time and you say, man, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:41.520 I watch the tape and I see me and that's 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.800 not who I have been before. When does that hit 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.400 you and you can look at it and say that 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.640 ain't me. We always are the last ones to know. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.360 And that's the reason why you there's very few people 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.360 who get this ceremoniously walk away. Most of the time. 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.960 Most of the time they kick you out because we're 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:04.840 the last ones to know. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:06.920 We always think, but. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.240 If I can, just if we just if we do it, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.720 I get and you don't have it right, And we're 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.880 the last ones to know. And for him, he may 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.520 look at the tape and go, well, I'm healthy now. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.120 I've been dealing with these two bone these bone spurs 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.200 and his ankle, and I'm you know, i ain't had 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:27.360 to deal with no all season stuff. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.480 I'm fresh now. No da da da. You know I've 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:33.480 been here, these these kids making a lot of noise, right, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:34.719 these kids, you. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.839 Having a lot, you know, the missus ain't. I ain't 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.600 never had a honey do list. I ain't never had 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.599 a honey do list. I didn't know she talked this 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.560 damn much. Yeah, hey, coach, what y'all are? 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.920 What y'all doing? Because because she, oh, this is what 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.360 you do all day when I in right, because you 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.560 one thing about retirement, you have to you have to 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.560 interject yourself back into the normal life of the family. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.040 Got the other way around. 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.000 They've been functioning a certain way your ten years that 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.680 you've been in the league. You gotta now find yourself 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.960 back today. And that might not be where you want 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:10.120 to be. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:14.320 So stay here on the player, having an understanding of 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.040 it's not what I used to be. Just right here. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.440 You check the media guy and where they have your name, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.560 and then they start to list your Pro bowls. So 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.520 Zachmartin Pro Bowl twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.800 twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.599 twenty twenty three. There will not be one there for 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.960 twenty twenty four. So twenty twenty and twenty twenty fourth 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.000 they are not going to be there. And both those 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.760 were injury seasons, right yes, In twenty twenty he was 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:49.720 limited to ten games, missing games with injuries, despite his flexibility, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.440 starting two games at right tackle for the first time 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.240 in his pro career. Remember that was the year that 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.480 McCarthy's first year they had Mike Nolan. There was a 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.560 whole bunch of struggles right there. So two times in 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.320 his career he will miss the making the Pro Bowl. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.880 How much does that tell you, Hey, you know what, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.000 let's finish this. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.560 You know what I see twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:16.200 twenty seven, I. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.920 Don't see twenty twenty and twenty twenty four as a player, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:19.320 I don't. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.560 I go, there's a reason for that. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:27.440 Inside of me is still twenty fifteen, twenty, seventeen, twenty like, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.480 you know what I'm saying, Like the twenty twenty, twenty 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.920 twenty four, those are outliers. I go, there's a lot 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:32.640 more of. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.160 The fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty one, twenty two, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.440 twenty three than it is the twenty twenty, the twenty 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.280 twenty four. Like, that's the mentality that athletes have. And 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.400 so we try to figure out how to what can 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.400 I I can get back. I could do one more time. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.080 I can get back to one of those things, one 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:51.440 more time. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.360 I have enough knowledge, you know, if I could just 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.160 stay healthy, right, I could just stay healthy. I can 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.800 I can still do this. I can still. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.920 Do this at a high rate. But again, we're always 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.880 the last ones to know. And then you commit to 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.360 him and he gets out there, and then he's halfway 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.360 through and he goes, oh, that young boy across from me, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.680 real good. He's big, strongly fast, and my techniques don't 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:15.120 work no more. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:15.440 And I don't. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.520 I'm not as reactive as I once was before. And 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.600 then that's when they kind of go they go, yeah, bro, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.440 he go, yeah. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.080 I know that's you know, hey, the bad news is 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.920 in two years, Jalen Carter is going to be unblockable. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:29.720 That's the bad news. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.800 You got guys in the league gets get bigger and 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.480 faster and stronger, and you don't. 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.360 Get away from him. In Division Sexy Dex. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:38.559 He ain't going over there. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:44.200 Carter ain't going nowhere, Washington. The bad boys be back 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.480 full strength again next year. So you got those young boys, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.040 you gotta look across from and go I used to. 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:50.800 I used to dominate this league. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.000 And now these young boys looking at me like you 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.280 fool man, you fool, come here, come here, come in, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:58.200 come here, o man. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.120 Let me get a little piece of that. So eleven years, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:08.400 eleven years of outstanding football, and this is my opinion. Heck, Jesse, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.520 please tell me yours. The question to me, now, is 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.920 he a not if he's going in the Hall of Fame, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:17.720 it's going in the Hall of Fame. You look at 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.079 he's a guard. You look at other guards and the 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.200 statistics and everything. Zach is right there. Is it your 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.520 first ballot Hall of Fame? That to me is the 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.079 only question at this point in time, is going into 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.000 Pro Football Hall of Fame. He has a credential. Is 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:30.640 it first ballanty? 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:31.200 To me? 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.560 I just I think you look at his career and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.280 obviously you're gonna judge him against those guards that are 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.720 in the Hall of Fame Right now, without having a 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.280 list on there, I can just say off the top 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.920 of my dome that he is comparable to some of 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.880 the greats that are played in the game. Some of 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.720 the questions that are going to be asked is obviously 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.640 super Bowls and things of that nature. I think those 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.280 you know, if you criticize him based off of that, 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.280 that's your own choice. But as a offensive lineman in 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.040 this league, no one is dominated the way that Zach 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:03.040 Martin has. I mean, the enforcer for the offensive line 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.800 for the Dallas Cowboys for years on end. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.880 And I think that's the tough question. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.320 Is the guys that you believe were great that did 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.160 not get in on the first ballot. So the argument 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.360 can be made, but there are other arguments to be made. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.000 D Ware didn't get in on the first ballot. Yeah, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.160 there are other names that didn't get in, you know, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.360 first ballot Hall of Fame that had to that should have. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.319 I think first ballot. I think when you start looking 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.839 how those lists, because it's always you know what, guys 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.839 that we're still trying to get in, right, you know 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.760 what I'm saying, that that may cover the spot that 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.800 may keep you out for being the first ballot Hall 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.880 of Famer. And I think we've come We've come to 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.600 a list where the seventies, eighties, those ninety guys that 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.800 we've kind of got those pretty much they're in in, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.800 you know what I mean? Like, so that list, the 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.920 list of guys who are waiting to get in isn't 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.760 as robust as it once was. And I think when 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.360 you look at his resume, I mean, this is a 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.080 guy who for nine seasons he's had more Pro like 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.000 his first couple n here more Pro Bowls than he 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:09.960 had holding because that's insane. He's like yeah, like like 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.959 he is. He is a to me, a first ballot 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.880 of Hall of Famer. When his time comes, it's just 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.440 now how long will it, like will he prolonge five 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.559 more years at another year to try to come back, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.719 or he says, let's tart to clock this offseason and 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.720 all decade player. And I think when you talk about that, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.520 and just in having talked to some Hall of Fame voters, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.719 they all talk about the Zach Martin is up there 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:33.400 with will Shields. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.160 He's out there with gene upshot. When you talk about 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.320 the greatest ever at the position of guard that he's 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.079 in there com like you know, they're they're gonna come 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:48.600 over to the table, Come on you right now. That's 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.760 why I said, for me, in another hall, like Dion, 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:53.000 I know that who. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.560 Who I think it is, we. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.320 Ad the same table. He might be able to say, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.800 how we all at the same table is a different 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.120 table in the same deal. We got different views. Yes, yes, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.600 you know I mean Zach Martin. Nego tells that. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.960 Come on to the sit down here. And that's why 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.280 I say the question is not about being in the 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.040 Hall of Fame for Zach Martins, whether or not he's 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.280 a first ballot. And for me, when I think of 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.200 first ballot, that's a guy that when we sit there, hey, 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.240 oh yeah, yeah, he was him when he played that, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.679 he was him. And you know that's the I'm old 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.800 enough to remember the Senior Bowl practice when it was 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.480 Aaron Donald against Zach Martin, and down in Mobile, Alabama, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.400 people were like Yeah, these two dudes are good. Epic 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:42.400 and Zach wash he was the MVP of the Yankee 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.920 Bowl for Notre Dame Bowl Game. A left tackle who's 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.520 an MVP of the bowl game. That's one that sticks 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.200 out to me. But I think what I'll always remember 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.200 it's maybe some people have forgotten this because it's how 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.600 time works. We forget things. People who thought that Cowboys 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.520 were gonna draft Johnny Manzilus that night. I was just 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.880 about to ask thats room was buzzy? We were we 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.120 had because normally news producers don't get involved in the sports, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.120 but it was draft night and it's down there and 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.480 it's about to happen, and I have my executive producer. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.840 She's like, we're ready to lead with this. If it's Johnny, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.480 we're about to make our whole show. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:21.520 Johnny. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.640 People already made the font, they've already went the trouble that. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.160 I'm about to be the lead of the newscat. We're 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.640 about to go deep on Johnny Fief Johnny football coming 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:38.400 to the Cowboys. And I thought it was happening because 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.480 I remember going to that Cotton Bowl game when they 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.560 dusted up Oklahoma. How the seats were full of Jerry 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.520 was excited, man, people buying all the money. It was 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.840 all about Johnny. I said, it's about to happen, so 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.960 I'm ready to do this thing. And they don't do it, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.480 and they draft Zach Martin and they're like, who's Zach 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.840 mart all right? He was MVP of Bowl. Get yeah, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.320 and tackle for nor Day. He's a good player. I 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.360 didn't know he was that good. Nor did I know 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.240 Aaron Donald was that good. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.600 Yeah, I didn't know. Nobody watching, but like, no, he 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:10.160 can help. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.320 But it was also Zach Martin and Aaron Donald in practice, yes, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.800 in that Senior Bowl. Then the Cowboys training training. Yes, yeah, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.680 they went total to in practice again, tossing each other. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.280 I mean it was great, great, But that for me 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:27.480 is my lives. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.800 I mean, man, I remember sitting, okay, get my makeup on, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.080 it's about to happen. Jerry, like, Jerry can't. I remember 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.120 telling the producer it was Katie and she works over 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.440 to ab secret morning. I said, Jerry can't help, he can't, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.840 he can't. Jerry loves his dude. But little did I 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.920 know Stephen, and you know, they locked him. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.600 As somebody made somebody made sense, and that that whole 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.520 build up to the draft. It was like you knew 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.440 it was about to happen, and it almost happened, like 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:57.800 almost unceremoniously to him. All right, nobody really like you 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.360 didn't kick over the table because it was that, But 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.920 still's like a guard from none of the dame boy 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:08.760 that was who he talked about just in the nikked time. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.200 You got the guy that you needed. And man, he's 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:11.920 he's done. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:12.160 Well. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.560 Man, I hate I don't want to hear it end 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.520 like this. I mean hearing it from a former player 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.600 when you say, man, we're the last to know, and 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.400 you're thinking about a guy that's had such a great 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.640 career and I don't want my last images of him 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.160 to be being beat on. 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.080 The field by Britt Brown. And I don't want that, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:29.720 you know. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.000 And we don't get to decide how our heroes and 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.040 guys that have played this game get to walk off 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.160 the field. But man, when you see it happen the 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.480 right way, you got to appreciate it even more because 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.440 a guy like this deserved all of the fruits of 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.920 his labors and not being able to, you know, not 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.720 being able to get to a super Bowl in his time. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:48.120 As a player. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.520 I think would be the biggest regret as an organization 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.480 and as a fan base for him, because he was 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:52.960 so good. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.640 Going to speak to that, you're the listeners. If you 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.920 don't know, Hecma's uncle is the greatest defensive tackle and 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.440 for history. Joe Green, I don't know how Joe. I 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.160 don't know what his final games were. I don't know. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.280 I don't remember and recall. All I know is in 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.040 the biggest moments in the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.680 He was out there whooping some tail and he won 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.120 for Super Bowls, and so I don't know how. I 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.640 don't remember how it ended. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.600 Pinch Nerve pens Nerve took him out and his back 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.720 couldn't play anymore, wasn't the same, wasn't the same, couldn't 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.560 couldn't get ready for games, and it kind of unceremoniously ended. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.280 You know, you would rather him walk off with rose pedals, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.040 you know, the way that the champions should be celebrated, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.480 and sometimes it doesn't happen that way. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.000 I don't remember how it ended. For too Tall, Yeah, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.920 you know, I don't know. Man, Just think about disc 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.360 For Drew Pearce, I just think I don't really remember 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:46.040 how did it end. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:46.680 That's weird. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.440 I don't remember. I just know that it's to me 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.600 Joe Montana. I don't know how it ended for Joe. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.520 I mean, we played for Kansasity. I don't remember. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.800 But just because a lot of a lot of our favorites, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.200 the greats, the ones we hold in the upper echelon 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.680 of our football memory and history. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.040 You don't get to go out your way some of us, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.600 some of them do. The gladiator sports rarely let you go. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.600 They some of them get you gracefully by wild You 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.439 get to have your Kobe Tour, and you get to, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.800 you know, shake hands and kiss babies a lot of 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.679 time in this game. The game hands you and opens 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:27.080 up the door and say get gone. The gladiators, the boxers, Yeah, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.119 that's the worst players, that's the worst now in the UFC. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.880 The gladiator sports you really don't get. You don't really 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.359 get to do it. Basketball, baseball, you know, look a 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.680 little bit better. You get to do it a little 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.000 on your way. But but the gladiator sports man, you know, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.960 it's just it's just rare. I I do remember Ali's last, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.800 but I don't really remember Oscar dill is last. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:49.760 One. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.240 I don't really, you know, I just you know, you 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.679 just don't. I mean, Tyson, I know, the Lennox Lewest thing. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.160 I'll let me please stop. You know, even Roy Jones, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.479 I can't remember the dude to beat him up when 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.200 he was fifty. But I mean sometimes you just kind 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.360 of put it out of your mind because you want 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.480 to remember the great. You want to and that's what 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.840 that he was great. That player was great. And that's 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.119 what I think about, not towards the end. And that's 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.320 what I say when you mentioned Zack Martin walking off, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.280 because right now, yes that's fresh in our mind, but 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.000 that won't be for me. I still think about Draft 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.600 night more than I think about Zach Martin walking off 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.400 the field. And Jerry at training camp still opening about 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.720 Johnny and we're going to talk to that. It's a 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.920 little uncomfortable, you know, he's still crying about it. I mean, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.560 you hear and he and I just thought, what a 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.160 how bad is it that? I mean, have we ever 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.480 seen a first round pick? In my mind, Ricky Williams, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.520 you know, because I mean a donov mcnow because they 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.000 wanted Ricky Williams the Piladelphia not him, but just what man, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.440 you know, I don't want you right on the still 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.840 over here talking about what what? What didn't happen in April? 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:55.480 He told about it. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.760 I told him, your son, you laid up. That's a layup. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.320 It's a golf you just lay it up. So make 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.880 no risk while the cowboys being risky and what you guys, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.600 you go and get left Hackle, who's a now a guard? 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:14.280 Can't sell no seventy jerseys. It was so dispects like 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.000 this what to work? 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.679 But yet they worked out perfect. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.280 Jerry's going to, you know, put him in the Ring 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:19.680 of Honor. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:20.000 Yep. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.920 And depending on who Zach wants to present him in 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.960 the potentially Jerry could present him in the Hall of Fame. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.360 And that to me would be pretty ironic the thing. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.320 And I hope if Jerry does, I hope Jerry put 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.000 that in speech. Yeah you know, I really didn't want you. 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.760 He won't see that I messed up, Thank goodness. 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I mean, especially you want, 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.359 if you want to really get to the players, the 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:03.520 locker room wasn't it. It was Monday night in some of 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.760 those places, you had opportunities to have more conversations with them. 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.040 So there you go, there you go, there you go. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.920 Here's something I wanted to kind of we see Zach 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.280 Martin and I are now. Dak Prescott comes out this weekend. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.159 He tells Jory Epstein, you know, hey, I wish I 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.080 was there. I wish I could help Mike McCarthy, how 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:26.120 much does this help. Mike McCarthy in his season ending 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.800 conversations with Jerry Jones to say, look at what I 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.199 did not have last year. I had a quarterback who 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.800 led the league in touchdown passes, who was second team 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:41.960 All Pro hurt. I had my best defensive player, Michael Parsons, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:47.040 miss meaningful games. I had Tank Lawrence, another significant defensive piece. 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:49.640 He probably may not play again this year. It missed 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.840 significant amount of games. Hall of Famer Zach Martin not 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.640 how much will Jerry in your opinion, as you start 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.959 to see this, maybe I give this guy Mulligan. 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.520 Yeah, we've been asking talking about that empathy uh factor 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.120 for the for the injuries, and I think a lot 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:07.760 of people were leading up and we were talking about 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.399 that last week about how injured the team was, but 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.159 also the talent on this roster. Coming into the season, 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.840 there were those that believe, like, look, this team is 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.800 going nowhere fasts, What are you doing in the running 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.560 back room, what do you have for white receivers? All 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.679 of those things were question marks. You have rookie offensive linemen, 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.919 and oh, by the way, your defense still after the 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.240 Green Bay game, what did you answer on that side 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.360 of the ball, So I got I think I think 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.560 Mike McCarthy has a case. Media wise, the way that 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:39.040 this this team has been covered, he doesn't look like 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.640 he has one. For a very long time. He's looked 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.840 like a coach from the beginning of the season on 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.439 the hot seat, lame duck coach, all of that. My 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.000 thinking is these next couple of games are really going 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.680 to decide at all if anything he has, he has 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.800 to me an opportunity here as a coach that if 0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.920 he can lead the troops in this we're just talking about, yes, 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.960 win this game against Cincinnati. Then you come back to 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.080 that same conversation and then we're now we're not just 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.840 talking about it from a standpoint of who he lost, 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.760 but who he's winning with. You're winning with a backup quarterback, 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:17.280 You're winning with backup offensive lineman, rookie offensive lineman. You're 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:21.040 winning with a maship defensive line or whatever you want 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.680 to call these guys these days. Right, I think that's 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.920 what you'll get more of a storyline on with Mike McCarthy. 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:30.440 Then you know, going to the injury aspect, but you. 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:34.200 Win this next game, and to your point is, look 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.520 what you want with do we forget what you lost 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.359 with you, You lost with your quarterback, you lost when 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.840 you lost with Zach Martin, you lost with Michael Parson, 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.440 was in the lineup when the Saints routed you, when 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.520 you lost to Baltimore, when you got embarrassed by Detroit. 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:55.119 Like so sometimes the recency we live on that recency 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.320 edge because I don't forget what when I saw the 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:00.720 early half of the season where guys or fresher where 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.959 your team was there, and you talking about a mulligan, 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.720 What does a mulligan look like? Because if I'm Mike McCarthy, 0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:08.560 you can't another one year deal. 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.240 No, you gotta give me four more. 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.399 Years, like as a as a as a coach, you 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.080 put me back in the same position again. Sure, and 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.680 now the locker room also understands, well, you're only gonna 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.879 be here for a year. And then now do you 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.480 do you what more snip snip are you gonna do 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.680 to me? Are you gonna tell me who I gotta 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.960 now have call plays? Are you gonna tell me now 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:31.639 who I have to have as my defensive coordinator? Are 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.919 you gonna tell me now what assistance I can and 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.160 cannot keep? Because you don't you don't lose like they've 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.240 lost in this year in everybody stays. 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:42.199 But the power struggle, now, the power struggle here is 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:43.160 never gonna change. 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.320 You know who's gonna pick that? I mean, So that's then, and. 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.200 That's my point. Like I think a lot of times 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.720 we we've talked about, you know, Jerry in the front 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.240 office and those giving him what if Mike says, you 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.760 know what, I've been in this thing for four years. 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.680 I've got my name back out there. I'm I'm outside. 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.280 There's some job that will come open up that I'll 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.399 get an opportunity to. Maybe I don't want to come 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.240 back here and deal with this again. Good for him, 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.240 Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't want to deal with 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.480 the power structure again. Maybe I don't want to deal 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.399 with On Monday, I'm trying to keep the injury report 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.520 under wraps and tell who may or may not play. 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.600 But as I go on at nine o'clock, my boss 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.280 comes on at eleven o'clock and he tells them everything 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.560 that I was trying to keep from them. Or when 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.119 I'm trying to put together a game plan in the system, 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.440 and I'm like, all right, here we go, all right, 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.159 all right? We go, he goes your shot and I 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:36.840 gotta get told. 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.200 Hold on, here's what I need in there? 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:47.080 Another guy that's not the guy that we want to know, Jesse, 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.320 you don't believe that dude, So yeah, I do. 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.400 So remember were talking about before ask you do you 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.600 give him justice? You get what you deserve because you said, hey, 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.360 you had your full string for the same full string, 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.480 So you go get what you deserve? Or do you 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.040 allow him some grace? You don't get what you deserve? 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.880 Because did I give you a running back room? 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.440 It was a or B. 0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.040 I gave you a C running back room? Did I 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.880 improve this d line? Like we said, no, did I go? 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:18.520 Did I go? 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.520 I got something that's never been You're asking for accountability 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:24.280 that ain't happening. 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.640 What is but I'm saying for for Mike? Do you 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.800 give him what he deserves and saying your rec you 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:31.560 are with your record? Or do you allow him some 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.640 grace when you don't get what you deserve because you've 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:38.520 admitted you as a general manager you weren't GMing enough. No. 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.320 No, because at the end of the day, it comes 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.880 down to, uh, what was the scene when smoking was 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.920 in the room and his mom said run down to 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:47.920 the store, she give him money. 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.320 He go, hey, this ain't enough, make it enough. So 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.520 you go into justice. Then you go get what he deserves. 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.680 You say, your record, you are what you record sition. 0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.800 So that's so in saying that A initially, that's what 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.560 I was saying from the beginning. I listened to your show. 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.640 I know exactly you from the beginning of the season, 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.720 You're like, this is not enough talent on this roster. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.960 You needed more to win with. 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.000 And if you thought this was gonna get you back 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.320 to twelve and five, you gave me bare bones. You 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.480 were saying that the carpenter doesn't have his tools. All 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.880 of those things were in there. So look, if you're 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.080 gonna get any of that, now is the time to 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:26.080 say to Mike brou we set you up all right. 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.040 Now, let's come on back in here. Let's get this right. 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:29.880 I don't think Mike gets to the point where he's like, 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.600 I can go, I can go to the go here 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:33.200 to the Saints. 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:35.240 Will you say that? 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:36.840 Is this the Cowboys, Jesse. 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.479 I've experienced it. I've experienced it, and this is what 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.080 has gotten me. I've experienced it. It's the Cowboys. I've 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:44.840 come over here. 0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.640 There are premier jobs in the NFL. 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.960 You I gave you three twelve and five seasons and 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.160 that wasn't enough for you to look at me as 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:59.360 somebody who was worth a contract extension. After that, then 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.760 you set me up and now you you you you 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:08.480 want to make a deal. So I hear you on 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.000 that aspect. But this is a question I would have 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.880 as Mike McCarthy and his agent go to the market, 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:18.320 because he is a free agent actor this year. Who 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.960 wants him? And how do you sell him? Okay, New 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.280 Orleans is open? How do you sell Mike McCarthy to 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.040 that fan base the same way you just sold the Jets. 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.240 I'm gonna tell you the same thing. 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.760 I'm gonna tell you, Hey, here's what I did when 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.320 I had the quarterback. He well, I don't know if 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:33.800 he can go to the Jets of Ary Rodgers gonna 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:38.920 be today already they greasing his kids. But I go 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.120 and I go, hey, listen, when when when they gave 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.080 me what I needed? I was I was twelve, I 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.720 was twelve or five? Right, three straight seasons? Now I 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.640 know what happened when against Green Bay. And if I'm 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.600 Mike McCarthy, I go probably my defensive coordinator who you 0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:54.280 know who? 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:54.720 I didn't. 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.040 Actually, you know, I had to agree to bring him on, 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:58.440 but I don't really that was my first choice to 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:58.840 bring him on. 0:31:59.320 --> 0:31:59.840 Uh he will. 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.480 Look the other jobs were supposed to getting ready for 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.920 a playoff game and that that didn't work well for us. 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:06.640 But here's what I am able to do. I can, 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:07.000 I can. 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.680 I can get funky when you give me something to 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:10.360 get funky with. You know what I'm saying now. The 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:16.200 last year, y'all see with Derek Carr. Y'all, see y'all see. 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:16.440 What it is. 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:17.400 You know what I mean. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.960 I'm gonna continue to put on there. You know, I 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:21.440 had a quarterback and now he was second with the 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.400 v P Roader votings. He he has some of his 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.080 best years under me. I'm telling all that anything I 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:27.640 can sell him to. 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.640 That he's gonna fix Williams list. 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.560 Okay, look, this is weird because you're the guy who 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.680 sow me on Mike, because if you've been watching my show, 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.680 I called him Michael Pittsburgh. 0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:38.400 I jumped off. 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:49.880 I jumped off to the ship. I was like, jump off. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:58.000 I said, I'm not here. 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You need to do 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.080 a live show, bro, That's what you need. 0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.719 You need a live show, people, because if you go 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.640 stand up on the desk like that, but people need 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:04.520 to see you live. Now. 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.279 This is I pay a ticket to see it. Yeah, 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:07.840 let's go. 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:12.560 Okay he safe? Oh yeah for sure. 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.000 By the way, we got Thursday and that football got Thursday. 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.879 In my assurance company, CEO got killed the other day. 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.239 I got I gotta check the assurance out, bro, see 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:22.319 how things is going over there. 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.120 I'm just saying, we're moving to him next year, so 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.239 might coven him next We're going back into this. I 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.440 gotta I gotta make sure my things is. Man, I'm 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.000 gonna get out of this business. When I saw my 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.360 limbs making was making ten mill, I need I'm in 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.000 the wrong business. What do I need to get? I 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.359 need to get up out of this CEOs. You making 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:39.640 that kind of you don't want to get that. You 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.319 don't want to get in that political situation right about now? 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:49.319 Ten million? Yes, people, Satary is ten million. You're not 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.279 talking about the stock options and the other stuff I'm 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.680 getting I do. You ain't talking about the playing. No, 0:36:53.880 --> 0:37:00.200 I'm shut up people, people, You'll get this man, I'm 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:00.920 gonna get sugar. 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:01.040 Now. 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.680 You get a whole bunch of people around me. Go 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.839 get a couple of young boys like my man Jared. 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:07.440 Got the boy. 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.440 I'm gonna call ros Rosie what you're doing now? 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:16.319 So I'm gonna that's all up. 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.799 Go catch me a million. I'm in the wrong bit. 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:22.800 People come to me to hey, man, you talk to 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:24.839 my kid. Kid got the industry? Like, you don't want 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.920 to talk to me? I do. I tell you, I 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:27.480 want to talk to me. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:33.719 You're not the guty to go to the ass man. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.000 How did it work for you? You telling bare Bones? 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.319 What was you making your first gig? You told us 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:44.160 that what hundred dollars a week? Three hundred a week? 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:48.200 So it was one time. Uh back when Keith Russell 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:48.799 was a channel left. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.640 We're the Mavericks. Hey want you to meet so and 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.120 so she's trying to get the business. Give us some advice. 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:55.160 I said, how much time you got left? The two years? 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:56.600 I say, you got time to become a business man. 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:00.239 I say, you know, I'm gonna tell you. I tell you, okay, 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.200 be the person who owns a team, not slapping around 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.239 like me. Who's talking about it was? It was the 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.239 crew at w R A L t V and Roley 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.880 Durham who told me don't get in this business. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:12.640 Don't do it. 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:13.480 Nah. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.439 I'm like nah, I like to TV. Oh, we guys 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.120 get to talk to Dan Smith. I'm like, I want 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.239 to do this is the basic. They're like, don't do it. 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.000 Go go to law school, you know, go get a business, 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.799 go do something like Man, I was too stupid because 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.320 that was back when when Bill Clinton was president. Like 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:29.919 any stock you put down and made a bunch of money, 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.320 I should have gone into the hedge fund industry. You 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:35.000 could owned the team, own the team, done some of 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:36.960 that kind of thing, man, And instead of sitting up 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.479 here making wage, I make wait, that's I make wages. No, mother, folks, 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.480 they make profits. So go to business school. Go to 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:44.600 business school, Go do that. 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:44.880 Man. 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.160 It's like, no, don't come to me these dreams I have, Like, 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:47.719 this business is. 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:54.600 Not what it was when I got Tom Ever neezer, gentlemen, 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:59.040 don't emmy emmy with it. 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:00.759 Did that? 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.120 Yes, I'm like, I got, I've got, I've got. Okay, 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.080 I'm telling you I've been successful in this and I'm 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.080 telling you no, I have done just about everything I 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:11.799 ever thought I could do in this injuryment. I've had 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.480 some great moments. Man, I'll never forget the first Super Bowl, man, 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.799 San Diego Jets flying over. Man, I'm sitting here Watch. 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.440 Get ready to watch John Lway fourteen point underdog go 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.359 up against the Green Bay Pack. Watch the game was great. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.520 I was there in the build. First time I went 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.399 to Vegas is like, you know what, man, I'm gonna 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.000 make sure I go at night because I want to 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.400 see the lights and I want to go for a 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.759 championship fight. So I go see Mike Tyson fight. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.040 Man. 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.480 I've lived a fantastic dream going to the Dean Dome 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.520 to see North Carolina play when they took on Florida 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.400 State the year they won the national championship with the 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.759 greatest comebacks they ever had, a twenty two point come back. 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.719 I've seen the greatest things. I've been wanting to cover 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.680 the Cowboys. Man. I covered Magic Johnson with the Lakers. Man, 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:51.600 fabulous for it. I was there when Kobe came and 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.200 Shot came. To Dude, I have lived a fantastic dream 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.120 gone to see final fours. Man, Dude, I have seen it, 0:39:57.600 --> 0:39:59.800 and I'm telling you right now, knew if you could go, 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.320 what would you do. I took my ass to business 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.880 school and learn business and be aheadsp us so I 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.080 could be hanging with Jerry Jones and done that. So 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:13.279 when they come to me. Now, I'm like kids, this 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.800 stuff is not exactly what you think it is. 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:17.040 It is. 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.960 It is fun, but at the same time, there's things 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.160 that you can and cannot do. 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:23.600 How many rich, miserable guys do you know? 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.080 Hey man, let me be one of them. You let 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:27.680 me find out. 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.080 Oh gosh. 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.960 Again a couple of them. 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.520 Yeah, let me know them. 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.400 Let me find out you know what you know? And 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.320 I'll be okay. Now I got I got this Bible, 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:41.840 and there's gonna be some verses that tell me what 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.000 to do. So I'll be okay, I'll be okay rich, 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.560 and I'll give some money. I'll be all right. But 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.400 when I just tell people this is not what you 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.880 think it is. And now and you see them, just 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.960 you seeing these kids come in here. Now I have 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:59.319 to work getting in Christmas man, little I remember I've 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:00.680 had to tell people, what do you back up? 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:00.879 Mean? 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:02.320 Back up me? 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:07.520 You work Christmas night? You back up me and one 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.520 man one man's or trying to make it fair? Now 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:13.000 you know you got off Christmas New Year's and I 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:16.200 got a contract. But I used to work these holidays. 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:17.680 Now kids come in over that I don't want to 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.040 work that damn man, my family, but I want to go. 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:22.759 I want to go see my family. Know what I 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.800 used to do? Tell my family, Hey, cowboys play three o'clock. 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.840 Everything's given. You want. You want to spend thanks in me, 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.560 come here, Come here, we'll cook, we'll have whatever. But 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:32.040 come here. 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:32.680 I'm here. 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.480 This is what I do. Wow, I spent my life 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:38.000 in the last twenty years. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.520 What we do right, It's what this is. 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.279 I tell people, I live in two seasons, football season 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.480 on football season. A lot of these kids don't want that. 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.799 And depending you you know, where you live in our 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.640 industry dictates how your life is revolved around. All my 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.120 friends in the Carolinas, they know you don't take off March, 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.279 and you don't take off April because a tournament is 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.759 around here and somebody's gonna be at the final four, 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:05.960 so you're working that time. Don't sit around here. Try 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.080 to take off the week after Christmas because there's going 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.560 to be bowl games. You're in a college football area, 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.640 in a college basket This is what your life is. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.240 When I worked in Los Angeles, don't take off April 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.960 May June. Don't take it off because bil Jackson had 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.840 they lakers in the finals it's what you do. And 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.000 right now, if you're in LA, don't take off October 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:29.520 November because the Dodgers are make They're going to be 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.840 in the playoffs. And so there's a lot of folks 0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:34.840 man who don't realize this is what their life is. 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.640 It is what it is, and they want to They 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.120 want to have it both ways worse than ever because 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.239 man used to be justly? Did it now? 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:42.520 Man? 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.640 Colonal? I want to be off. They want fair. 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:49.319 I want fair that I want to be equal with Hey, 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:54.680 don't ask Newie, No they asked, but I try to 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:55.120 be cutting. 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.319 You don't want to talk to me. Cut this look, 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.319 cut this out. Put it in the video for new 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:00.680 He send it to him. So in the hill, what 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:01.160 do you think? 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:01.799 What's your number? 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.560 I'm gonna send you this little click clip and they 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:07.839 got it. I don't want to lead Dallas. You mean 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:08.319 you leave? 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:10.360 You gotta go. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.960 I'm like, do you not understand, like mind League Baseball? No, 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.040 you don't start off playing for you go to the 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.440 chit lit circuit. You gotta go. You gotta go somewhere. 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:22.879 And what's your tall for? Hey, Jackson, that's if you're 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.120 lucky enough to get to a place where you're next 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.040 to a state uret. You may have to go out 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:29.040 to Utah, you may have to go out to the 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:32.280 area Arizona, somewhere. You may have to go somewhere coal 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.120 up in Michigan to go get your start. And folks 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.200 don't want to do that, Like this is what it is. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:41.799 You don't start here. But that's the dude. All right. 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:48.400 So packers tonight, Packers Detroit BC is taking berries, come 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:53.760 in and he's taking green Back. Yeah that's a bit. Okay, 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.239 So what you're going with, I'm going with America's team. 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:57.279 You're going with. 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.640 You're talking about man, Yeah, you came in with a 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:07.000 lot of controversy today. I'm taking Green Bank with Detroit. 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.680 Okay, you taking on green I'm going green Bay DETROITCE. 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.000 Got the injuries. Got the injuries, man, got the injuries 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.279 are piling up. I mean, dude, if Matt eberflus knew 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.160 how to call the game, they probably have to go 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.680 to overtime and lose against Chicago after having the lead. 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:21.960 The injuries are piling up. 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:23.200 What's uh? 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:23.520 You know what? 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.719 Give me green Bay to win this one? Thirty one 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:33.040 twenty seven. Wow, all right, I'm tonight. Yeah, this is 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:35.960 where's the game gonna be CBS. It's gonna be up 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.160 in Detroit and Detroit. Come on, man, give me, give 0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:40.480 me twenty eight. I'm gonna twenty twenty four, twenty eight, 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:44.239 twenty four Lions. Okay, we're gonna fall further behind the pits. 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:49.279 I'm gonna go thirty five twenty four Detruth. 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:54.360 The Detroit Football Jesse Alli, thank you for coming in here. 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:56.200 Appreciation's always on scores. 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:57.960 This is the players Lounge. We will talk to you 0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:59.520 tomorrow right here on dallaskytwish dot com. 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.320 This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.319 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.