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Speaker 3: filling in for Barry Church. Mister Holly, former Cowboys special
Speaker 3: Teamy wide receiver, appreciate you being here like you Hem
Speaker 3: Harrison and me Newie Scruggs. As the Cowboys are getting
Speaker 3: closer to their Monday night game against the Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 3: the line has dropped five and a half. Yes, and
Speaker 3: big news coming out of the Star today from head
Speaker 3: coach Mike McCarthy, Zach Martin is going to have season
Speaker 3: ending ankle surgery. Here Heckma, your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Damn it, man, this has been that kind of year
Speaker 4: every I mean, you're losing guys, You're losing key players,
Speaker 4: and in those twelve and five seasons.
Speaker 2: Man, I think we just got spoiled.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys were really lucky to have their health in
Speaker 4: those seasons, man, and that's why you would have expected
Speaker 4: them to make a deeper run into the playoffs because
Speaker 4: of the injuries. But losing a guy like Zach Martin,
Speaker 4: it can't be good. You've lost Michael Parsons for parts
Speaker 4: of the year for a very long time, Dak is gone,
Speaker 4: So I mean this team has been beat to hell,
Speaker 4: and you lose a piece like Zach Martin, man, that
Speaker 4: is that is a hard thing. And then really just
Speaker 4: the cherry on type top to the type of season
Speaker 4: that the Cowboys have had.
Speaker 5: I feel worse for the person. Like I know that
Speaker 5: the team lost yeah of their best offensive linemen. I
Speaker 5: feel bad for the person because no way, shape or
Speaker 5: form that in the mind frame and the mindset that
Speaker 5: the mind thinking of Zach Martin that he think his
Speaker 5: career ultimately would end on the ir you know, And
Speaker 5: there has been talks and I'm leaning like every most
Speaker 5: people thinking that this the end of the road. This
Speaker 5: it for him, This it for him, because when you
Speaker 5: start talking about and thinking about that retirement.
Speaker 3: Happened and It sucks.
Speaker 5: It absolutely sucks because the compassionate person in me, the
Speaker 5: empathetic person in me, goes, boy, you would have liked
Speaker 5: for that dude to have all of the individual accolades.
Speaker 5: But also to say, boy, I did some other magical
Speaker 5: things in the playoffs. I got to a super Bowl.
Speaker 5: I did some pretty special things. But he'll end his
Speaker 5: career and it will be start the clock. It'll be
Speaker 5: start to clock the canton and uh and see how
Speaker 5: this thing pans out for him.
Speaker 3: But I mean, with an incredible career for a guy
Speaker 3: like Zach, I don't mean to be putting dirt on
Speaker 3: them already, but you know the writings on the wall
Speaker 3: for for who he is as a player I was
Speaker 3: sending the other show. Now, I'm not saying that he
Speaker 3: completely dead because if for some odd reason, the Joneses
Speaker 3: decide and this offseason that's not their forte.
Speaker 5: But they were resetting this year to get some more money.
Speaker 5: If they go and grab a couple of them high
Speaker 5: level free agents, like you know, the ones that you know,
Speaker 5: the ones that come out early, you know, you know
Speaker 5: talking about the ones though day one ones, the ones
Speaker 5: that actually come into your team and make a significant.
Speaker 3: Difference in the game changes.
Speaker 5: They're gonna grab a few of those and some draft picks,
Speaker 5: and now O.
Speaker 3: Martin may say, you know what, see you guys in oxygen?
Speaker 2: Are you gotting? Are you in? Are are you in?
Speaker 2: Or you're out on that?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What? What would stop him?
Speaker 5: Rock hoffmin ain't stopping him if he wanted to come
Speaker 5: back for So if he looks up and he goes, oh,
Speaker 5: Jerry playing again, I'm gonna stay out here on this
Speaker 5: ranch and it's tend of these horses and playing with
Speaker 5: my kids on they off days and do all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But if you look up and go, hold on now,
Speaker 5: oh he signed him, Oh we got him too, hold
Speaker 5: on now, let me see, let me see if they so.
Speaker 3: Then let me throw this at you. As a player,
Speaker 3: when you get to that point time and you say, man,
Speaker 3: I watch the tape and I see me and that's
Speaker 3: not who I have been before. When does that hit
Speaker 3: you and you can look at it and say that
Speaker 3: ain't me. We always are the last ones to know.
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why you there's very few people
Speaker 3: who get this ceremoniously walk away. Most of the time.
Speaker 5: Most of the time they kick you out because we're
Speaker 5: the last ones to know.
Speaker 3: We always think, but.
Speaker 5: If I can, just if we just if we do it,
Speaker 5: I get and you don't have it right, And we're
Speaker 5: the last ones to know. And for him, he may
Speaker 5: look at the tape and go, well, I'm healthy now.
Speaker 5: I've been dealing with these two bone these bone spurs
Speaker 5: and his ankle, and I'm you know, i ain't had
Speaker 5: to deal with no all season stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm fresh now. No da da da. You know I've
Speaker 3: been here, these these kids making a lot of noise, right,
Speaker 3: these kids, you.
Speaker 5: Having a lot, you know, the missus ain't. I ain't
Speaker 5: never had a honey do list. I ain't never had
Speaker 5: a honey do list. I didn't know she talked this
Speaker 5: damn much. Yeah, hey, coach, what y'all are?
Speaker 3: What y'all doing? Because because she, oh, this is what
Speaker 3: you do all day when I in right, because you
Speaker 3: one thing about retirement, you have to you have to
Speaker 3: interject yourself back into the normal life of the family.
Speaker 3: Got the other way around.
Speaker 5: They've been functioning a certain way your ten years that
Speaker 5: you've been in the league. You gotta now find yourself
Speaker 5: back today. And that might not be where you want
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 3: So stay here on the player, having an understanding of
Speaker 3: it's not what I used to be. Just right here.
Speaker 3: You check the media guy and where they have your name,
Speaker 3: and then they start to list your Pro bowls. So
Speaker 3: Zachmartin Pro Bowl twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. There will not be one there for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So twenty twenty and twenty twenty fourth
Speaker 3: they are not going to be there. And both those
Speaker 3: were injury seasons, right yes, In twenty twenty he was
Speaker 3: limited to ten games, missing games with injuries, despite his flexibility,
Speaker 3: starting two games at right tackle for the first time
Speaker 3: in his pro career. Remember that was the year that
Speaker 3: McCarthy's first year they had Mike Nolan. There was a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of struggles right there. So two times in
Speaker 3: his career he will miss the making the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: How much does that tell you, Hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: let's finish this.
Speaker 5: You know what I see twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: twenty seven, I.
Speaker 3: Don't see twenty twenty and twenty twenty four as a player,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I go, there's a reason for that.
Speaker 3: Inside of me is still twenty fifteen, twenty, seventeen, twenty like,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like the twenty twenty, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, those are outliers. I go, there's a lot
Speaker 3: more of.
Speaker 5: The fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty one, twenty two,
Speaker 5: twenty three than it is the twenty twenty, the twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. Like, that's the mentality that athletes have. And
Speaker 5: so we try to figure out how to what can
Speaker 5: I I can get back. I could do one more time.
Speaker 5: I can get back to one of those things, one
Speaker 5: more time.
Speaker 3: I have enough knowledge, you know, if I could just
Speaker 3: stay healthy, right, I could just stay healthy. I can
Speaker 3: I can still do this. I can still.
Speaker 5: Do this at a high rate. But again, we're always
Speaker 5: the last ones to know. And then you commit to
Speaker 5: him and he gets out there, and then he's halfway
Speaker 5: through and he goes, oh, that young boy across from me,
Speaker 5: real good. He's big, strongly fast, and my techniques don't
Speaker 5: work no more.
Speaker 3: And I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm not as reactive as I once was before. And
Speaker 5: then that's when they kind of go they go, yeah, bro,
Speaker 5: he go, yeah.
Speaker 4: I know that's you know, hey, the bad news is
Speaker 4: in two years, Jalen Carter is going to be unblockable.
Speaker 2: That's the bad news.
Speaker 4: You got guys in the league gets get bigger and
Speaker 4: faster and stronger, and you don't.
Speaker 3: Get away from him. In Division Sexy Dex.
Speaker 2: He ain't going over there.
Speaker 5: Carter ain't going nowhere, Washington. The bad boys be back
Speaker 5: full strength again next year. So you got those young boys,
Speaker 5: you gotta look across from and go I used to.
Speaker 2: I used to dominate this league.
Speaker 5: And now these young boys looking at me like you
Speaker 5: fool man, you fool, come here, come here, come in,
Speaker 5: come here, o man.
Speaker 3: Let me get a little piece of that. So eleven years,
Speaker 3: eleven years of outstanding football, and this is my opinion. Heck, Jesse,
Speaker 3: please tell me yours. The question to me, now, is
Speaker 3: he a not if he's going in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 3: it's going in the Hall of Fame. You look at
Speaker 3: he's a guard. You look at other guards and the
Speaker 3: statistics and everything. Zach is right there. Is it your
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Fame? That to me is the
Speaker 3: only question at this point in time, is going into
Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame. He has a credential. Is
Speaker 3: it first ballanty?
Speaker 2: To me?
Speaker 4: I just I think you look at his career and
Speaker 4: obviously you're gonna judge him against those guards that are
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame Right now, without having a
Speaker 4: list on there, I can just say off the top
Speaker 4: of my dome that he is comparable to some of
Speaker 4: the greats that are played in the game. Some of
Speaker 4: the questions that are going to be asked is obviously
Speaker 4: super Bowls and things of that nature. I think those
Speaker 4: you know, if you criticize him based off of that,
Speaker 4: that's your own choice. But as a offensive lineman in
Speaker 4: this league, no one is dominated the way that Zach
Speaker 4: Martin has. I mean, the enforcer for the offensive line
Speaker 4: for the Dallas Cowboys for years on end.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the tough question.
Speaker 4: Is the guys that you believe were great that did
Speaker 4: not get in on the first ballot. So the argument
Speaker 4: can be made, but there are other arguments to be made.
Speaker 4: D Ware didn't get in on the first ballot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there are other names that didn't get in, you know,
Speaker 4: first ballot Hall of Fame that had to that should have.
Speaker 5: I think first ballot. I think when you start looking
Speaker 5: how those lists, because it's always you know what, guys
Speaker 5: that we're still trying to get in, right, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, that that may cover the spot that
Speaker 5: may keep you out for being the first ballot Hall
Speaker 5: of Famer. And I think we've come We've come to
Speaker 5: a list where the seventies, eighties, those ninety guys that
Speaker 5: we've kind of got those pretty much they're in in,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, so that list, the
Speaker 5: list of guys who are waiting to get in isn't
Speaker 5: as robust as it once was. And I think when
Speaker 5: you look at his resume, I mean, this is a
Speaker 5: guy who for nine seasons he's had more Pro like
Speaker 5: his first couple n here more Pro Bowls than he
Speaker 5: had holding because that's insane. He's like yeah, like like
Speaker 5: he is. He is a to me, a first ballot
Speaker 5: of Hall of Famer. When his time comes, it's just
Speaker 5: now how long will it, like will he prolonge five
Speaker 5: more years at another year to try to come back,
Speaker 5: or he says, let's tart to clock this offseason and
Speaker 5: all decade player. And I think when you talk about that,
Speaker 5: and just in having talked to some Hall of Fame voters,
Speaker 5: they all talk about the Zach Martin is up there
Speaker 5: with will Shields.
Speaker 3: He's out there with gene upshot. When you talk about
Speaker 3: the greatest ever at the position of guard that he's
Speaker 3: in there com like you know, they're they're gonna come
Speaker 3: over to the table, Come on you right now. That's
Speaker 3: why I said, for me, in another hall, like Dion,
Speaker 3: I know that who.
Speaker 2: Who I think it is, we.
Speaker 5: Ad the same table. He might be able to say,
Speaker 5: how we all at the same table is a different
Speaker 5: table in the same deal. We got different views. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: you know I mean Zach Martin. Nego tells that.
Speaker 3: Come on to the sit down here. And that's why
Speaker 3: I say the question is not about being in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame for Zach Martins, whether or not he's
Speaker 3: a first ballot. And for me, when I think of
Speaker 3: first ballot, that's a guy that when we sit there, hey,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, he was him when he played that,
Speaker 3: he was him. And you know that's the I'm old
Speaker 3: enough to remember the Senior Bowl practice when it was
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald against Zach Martin, and down in Mobile, Alabama,
Speaker 3: people were like Yeah, these two dudes are good. Epic
Speaker 3: and Zach wash he was the MVP of the Yankee
Speaker 3: Bowl for Notre Dame Bowl Game. A left tackle who's
Speaker 3: an MVP of the bowl game. That's one that sticks
Speaker 3: out to me. But I think what I'll always remember
Speaker 3: it's maybe some people have forgotten this because it's how
Speaker 3: time works. We forget things. People who thought that Cowboys
Speaker 3: were gonna draft Johnny Manzilus that night. I was just
Speaker 3: about to ask thats room was buzzy? We were we
Speaker 3: had because normally news producers don't get involved in the sports,
Speaker 3: but it was draft night and it's down there and
Speaker 3: it's about to happen, and I have my executive producer.
Speaker 3: She's like, we're ready to lead with this. If it's Johnny,
Speaker 3: we're about to make our whole show.
Speaker 2: Johnny.
Speaker 4: People already made the font, they've already went the trouble that.
Speaker 3: I'm about to be the lead of the newscat. We're
Speaker 3: about to go deep on Johnny Fief Johnny football coming
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys. And I thought it was happening because
Speaker 3: I remember going to that Cotton Bowl game when they
Speaker 3: dusted up Oklahoma. How the seats were full of Jerry
Speaker 3: was excited, man, people buying all the money. It was
Speaker 3: all about Johnny. I said, it's about to happen, so
Speaker 3: I'm ready to do this thing. And they don't do it,
Speaker 3: and they draft Zach Martin and they're like, who's Zach
Speaker 3: mart all right? He was MVP of Bowl. Get yeah,
Speaker 3: and tackle for nor Day. He's a good player. I
Speaker 3: didn't know he was that good. Nor did I know
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald was that good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know. Nobody watching, but like, no, he
Speaker 2: can help.
Speaker 5: But it was also Zach Martin and Aaron Donald in practice, yes,
Speaker 5: in that Senior Bowl. Then the Cowboys training training. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: they went total to in practice again, tossing each other.
Speaker 5: I mean it was great, great, But that for me
Speaker 5: is my lives.
Speaker 3: I mean, man, I remember sitting, okay, get my makeup on,
Speaker 3: it's about to happen. Jerry, like, Jerry can't. I remember
Speaker 3: telling the producer it was Katie and she works over
Speaker 3: to ab secret morning. I said, Jerry can't help, he can't,
Speaker 3: he can't. Jerry loves his dude. But little did I
Speaker 3: know Stephen, and you know, they locked him.
Speaker 4: As somebody made somebody made sense, and that that whole
Speaker 4: build up to the draft. It was like you knew
Speaker 4: it was about to happen, and it almost happened, like
Speaker 4: almost unceremoniously to him. All right, nobody really like you
Speaker 4: didn't kick over the table because it was that, But
Speaker 4: still's like a guard from none of the dame boy
Speaker 4: that was who he talked about just in the nikked time.
Speaker 4: You got the guy that you needed. And man, he's
Speaker 4: he's done.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Man, I hate I don't want to hear it end
Speaker 4: like this. I mean hearing it from a former player
Speaker 4: when you say, man, we're the last to know, and
Speaker 4: you're thinking about a guy that's had such a great
Speaker 4: career and I don't want my last images of him
Speaker 4: to be being beat on.
Speaker 2: The field by Britt Brown. And I don't want that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: And we don't get to decide how our heroes and
Speaker 4: guys that have played this game get to walk off
Speaker 4: the field. But man, when you see it happen the
Speaker 4: right way, you got to appreciate it even more because
Speaker 4: a guy like this deserved all of the fruits of
Speaker 4: his labors and not being able to, you know, not
Speaker 4: being able to get to a super Bowl in his time.
Speaker 2: As a player.
Speaker 4: I think would be the biggest regret as an organization
Speaker 4: and as a fan base for him, because he was
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 3: Going to speak to that, you're the listeners. If you
Speaker 3: don't know, Hecma's uncle is the greatest defensive tackle and
Speaker 3: for history. Joe Green, I don't know how Joe. I
Speaker 3: don't know what his final games were. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't remember and recall. All I know is in
Speaker 3: the biggest moments in the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3: He was out there whooping some tail and he won
Speaker 3: for Super Bowls, and so I don't know how. I
Speaker 3: don't remember how it ended.
Speaker 4: Pinch Nerve pens Nerve took him out and his back
Speaker 4: couldn't play anymore, wasn't the same, wasn't the same, couldn't
Speaker 4: couldn't get ready for games, and it kind of unceremoniously ended.
Speaker 4: You know, you would rather him walk off with rose pedals,
Speaker 4: you know, the way that the champions should be celebrated,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it doesn't happen that way.
Speaker 3: I don't remember how it ended. For too Tall, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. Man, Just think about disc
Speaker 3: For Drew Pearce, I just think I don't really remember
Speaker 3: how did it end.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I just know that it's to me
Speaker 3: Joe Montana. I don't know how it ended for Joe.
Speaker 3: I mean, we played for Kansasity. I don't remember.
Speaker 5: But just because a lot of a lot of our favorites,
Speaker 5: the greats, the ones we hold in the upper echelon
Speaker 5: of our football memory and history.
Speaker 3: You don't get to go out your way some of us,
Speaker 3: some of them do. The gladiator sports rarely let you go.
Speaker 3: They some of them get you gracefully by wild You
Speaker 3: get to have your Kobe Tour, and you get to,
Speaker 3: you know, shake hands and kiss babies a lot of
Speaker 3: time in this game. The game hands you and opens
Speaker 3: up the door and say get gone. The gladiators, the boxers, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the worst players, that's the worst now in the UFC.
Speaker 3: The gladiator sports you really don't get. You don't really
Speaker 3: get to do it. Basketball, baseball, you know, look a
Speaker 3: little bit better. You get to do it a little
Speaker 3: on your way. But but the gladiator sports man, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just rare. I I do remember Ali's last,
Speaker 3: but I don't really remember Oscar dill is last.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: I don't really, you know, I just you know, you
Speaker 3: just don't. I mean, Tyson, I know, the Lennox Lewest thing.
Speaker 3: I'll let me please stop. You know, even Roy Jones,
Speaker 3: I can't remember the dude to beat him up when
Speaker 3: he was fifty. But I mean sometimes you just kind
Speaker 3: of put it out of your mind because you want
Speaker 3: to remember the great. You want to and that's what
Speaker 3: that he was great. That player was great. And that's
Speaker 3: what I think about, not towards the end. And that's
Speaker 3: what I say when you mentioned Zack Martin walking off,
Speaker 3: because right now, yes that's fresh in our mind, but
Speaker 3: that won't be for me. I still think about Draft
Speaker 3: night more than I think about Zach Martin walking off
Speaker 3: the field. And Jerry at training camp still opening about
Speaker 3: Johnny and we're going to talk to that. It's a
Speaker 3: little uncomfortable, you know, he's still crying about it. I mean,
Speaker 3: you hear and he and I just thought, what a
Speaker 3: how bad is it that? I mean, have we ever
Speaker 3: seen a first round pick? In my mind, Ricky Williams,
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean a donov mcnow because they
Speaker 3: wanted Ricky Williams the Piladelphia not him, but just what man,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't want you right on the still
Speaker 3: over here talking about what what? What didn't happen in April?
Speaker 3: He told about it.
Speaker 2: I told him, your son, you laid up. That's a layup.
Speaker 3: It's a golf you just lay it up. So make
Speaker 3: no risk while the cowboys being risky and what you guys,
Speaker 3: you go and get left Hackle, who's a now a guard?
Speaker 3: Can't sell no seventy jerseys. It was so dispects like
Speaker 3: this what to work?
Speaker 2: But yet they worked out perfect.
Speaker 3: Jerry's going to, you know, put him in the Ring
Speaker 3: of Honor.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And depending on who Zach wants to present him in
Speaker 3: the potentially Jerry could present him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: And that to me would be pretty ironic the thing.
Speaker 3: And I hope if Jerry does, I hope Jerry put
Speaker 3: that in speech. Yeah you know, I really didn't want you.
Speaker 3: He won't see that I messed up, Thank goodness. I
Speaker 3: let everybody will McLeay and my son and my choice
Speaker 3: and the people who did their due Dillon's and say,
Speaker 3: now hold on playing, hold on player?
Speaker 2: How interesting that decision? Would you don't want that?
Speaker 3: All right? That's our first segment right here the Cowboys
Speaker 3: and uh, we don't know Zach Martin is going to retire,
Speaker 3: but but if he does, all of us agree that
Speaker 3: he was a fantastic player. Hall of Famer job Well,
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Speaker 5: you out there with Rowdy? Lef Uh at the establishment?
Speaker 3: Where were you?
Speaker 2: Where were you in those days?
Speaker 3: What part of town?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What towns were you rolling around in in those days? When?
Speaker 3: When when the good old rowdy left the mobile?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 3: Around those establishments?
Speaker 2: Where you know?
Speaker 3: You got me confused for the other maker man, I
Speaker 3: asked him too. Now I know that, I know that
Speaker 3: I know him personally.
Speaker 4: Yes, the stories get better and better, but I was
Speaker 4: not there. Was that there?
Speaker 3: That not there? Yeah, mother mother dog. He has more up,
Speaker 3: closer personal story. But I said, he got the he
Speaker 3: got the cackling like yeah, yeah, I said, Okay, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, this is what it was. He look,
Speaker 3: I mean back in the day. I mean, especially you want,
Speaker 3: if you want to really get to the players, the
Speaker 3: locker room wasn't it. It was Monday night in some of
Speaker 3: those places, you had opportunities to have more conversations with them.
Speaker 3: So there you go, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 3: Here's something I wanted to kind of we see Zach
Speaker 3: Martin and I are now. Dak Prescott comes out this weekend.
Speaker 3: He tells Jory Epstein, you know, hey, I wish I
Speaker 3: was there. I wish I could help Mike McCarthy, how
Speaker 3: much does this help. Mike McCarthy in his season ending
Speaker 3: conversations with Jerry Jones to say, look at what I
Speaker 3: did not have last year. I had a quarterback who
Speaker 3: led the league in touchdown passes, who was second team
Speaker 3: All Pro hurt. I had my best defensive player, Michael Parsons,
Speaker 3: miss meaningful games. I had Tank Lawrence, another significant defensive piece.
Speaker 3: He probably may not play again this year. It missed
Speaker 3: significant amount of games. Hall of Famer Zach Martin not
Speaker 3: how much will Jerry in your opinion, as you start
Speaker 3: to see this, maybe I give this guy Mulligan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been asking talking about that empathy uh factor
Speaker 4: for the for the injuries, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people were leading up and we were talking about
Speaker 4: that last week about how injured the team was, but
Speaker 4: also the talent on this roster. Coming into the season,
Speaker 4: there were those that believe, like, look, this team is
Speaker 4: going nowhere fasts, What are you doing in the running
Speaker 4: back room, what do you have for white receivers? All
Speaker 4: of those things were question marks. You have rookie offensive linemen,
Speaker 4: and oh, by the way, your defense still after the
Speaker 4: Green Bay game, what did you answer on that side
Speaker 4: of the ball, So I got I think I think
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy has a case. Media wise, the way that
Speaker 4: this this team has been covered, he doesn't look like
Speaker 4: he has one. For a very long time. He's looked
Speaker 4: like a coach from the beginning of the season on
Speaker 4: the hot seat, lame duck coach, all of that. My
Speaker 4: thinking is these next couple of games are really going
Speaker 4: to decide at all if anything he has, he has
Speaker 4: to me an opportunity here as a coach that if
Speaker 4: he can lead the troops in this we're just talking about, yes,
Speaker 4: win this game against Cincinnati. Then you come back to
Speaker 4: that same conversation and then we're now we're not just
Speaker 4: talking about it from a standpoint of who he lost,
Speaker 4: but who he's winning with. You're winning with a backup quarterback,
Speaker 4: You're winning with backup offensive lineman, rookie offensive lineman. You're
Speaker 4: winning with a maship defensive line or whatever you want
Speaker 4: to call these guys these days. Right, I think that's
Speaker 4: what you'll get more of a storyline on with Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Then you know, going to the injury aspect, but you.
Speaker 5: Win this next game, and to your point is, look
Speaker 5: what you want with do we forget what you lost
Speaker 5: with you, You lost with your quarterback, you lost when
Speaker 5: you lost with Zach Martin, you lost with Michael Parson,
Speaker 5: was in the lineup when the Saints routed you, when
Speaker 5: you lost to Baltimore, when you got embarrassed by Detroit.
Speaker 5: Like so sometimes the recency we live on that recency
Speaker 5: edge because I don't forget what when I saw the
Speaker 5: early half of the season where guys or fresher where
Speaker 5: your team was there, and you talking about a mulligan,
Speaker 5: What does a mulligan look like? Because if I'm Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: you can't another one year deal.
Speaker 3: No, you gotta give me four more.
Speaker 5: Years, like as a as a as a coach, you
Speaker 5: put me back in the same position again. Sure, and
Speaker 5: now the locker room also understands, well, you're only gonna
Speaker 5: be here for a year. And then now do you
Speaker 5: do you what more snip snip are you gonna do
Speaker 5: to me? Are you gonna tell me who I gotta
Speaker 5: now have call plays? Are you gonna tell me now
Speaker 5: who I have to have as my defensive coordinator? Are
Speaker 5: you gonna tell me now what assistance I can and
Speaker 5: cannot keep? Because you don't you don't lose like they've
Speaker 5: lost in this year in everybody stays.
Speaker 4: But the power struggle, now, the power struggle here is
Speaker 4: never gonna change.
Speaker 2: You know who's gonna pick that? I mean, So that's then, and.
Speaker 3: That's my point. Like I think a lot of times
Speaker 3: we we've talked about, you know, Jerry in the front
Speaker 3: office and those giving him what if Mike says, you
Speaker 3: know what, I've been in this thing for four years.
Speaker 5: I've got my name back out there. I'm I'm outside.
Speaker 5: There's some job that will come open up that I'll
Speaker 5: get an opportunity to. Maybe I don't want to come
Speaker 5: back here and deal with this again. Good for him,
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't. Maybe I don't want to deal with
Speaker 5: the power structure again. Maybe I don't want to deal
Speaker 5: with On Monday, I'm trying to keep the injury report
Speaker 5: under wraps and tell who may or may not play.
Speaker 5: But as I go on at nine o'clock, my boss
Speaker 5: comes on at eleven o'clock and he tells them everything
Speaker 5: that I was trying to keep from them. Or when
Speaker 5: I'm trying to put together a game plan in the system,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, all right, here we go, all right,
Speaker 5: all right? We go, he goes your shot and I
Speaker 5: gotta get told.
Speaker 3: Hold on, here's what I need in there?
Speaker 4: Another guy that's not the guy that we want to know, Jesse,
Speaker 4: you don't believe that dude, So yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: So remember were talking about before ask you do you
Speaker 3: give him justice? You get what you deserve because you said, hey,
Speaker 3: you had your full string for the same full string,
Speaker 3: So you go get what you deserve? Or do you
Speaker 3: allow him some grace? You don't get what you deserve?
Speaker 3: Because did I give you a running back room?
Speaker 2: It was a or B.
Speaker 3: I gave you a C running back room? Did I
Speaker 3: improve this d line? Like we said, no, did I go?
Speaker 2: Did I go?
Speaker 5: I got something that's never been You're asking for accountability
Speaker 5: that ain't happening.
Speaker 3: What is but I'm saying for for Mike? Do you
Speaker 3: give him what he deserves and saying your rec you
Speaker 3: are with your record? Or do you allow him some
Speaker 3: grace when you don't get what you deserve because you've
Speaker 3: admitted you as a general manager you weren't GMing enough. No.
Speaker 5: No, because at the end of the day, it comes
Speaker 5: down to, uh, what was the scene when smoking was
Speaker 5: in the room and his mom said run down to
Speaker 5: the store, she give him money.
Speaker 3: He go, hey, this ain't enough, make it enough. So
Speaker 3: you go into justice. Then you go get what he deserves.
Speaker 3: You say, your record, you are what you record sition.
Speaker 4: So that's so in saying that A initially, that's what
Speaker 4: I was saying from the beginning. I listened to your show.
Speaker 4: I know exactly you from the beginning of the season,
Speaker 4: You're like, this is not enough talent on this roster.
Speaker 2: You needed more to win with.
Speaker 4: And if you thought this was gonna get you back
Speaker 4: to twelve and five, you gave me bare bones. You
Speaker 4: were saying that the carpenter doesn't have his tools. All
Speaker 4: of those things were in there. So look, if you're
Speaker 4: gonna get any of that, now is the time to
Speaker 4: say to Mike brou we set you up all right.
Speaker 2: Now, let's come on back in here. Let's get this right.
Speaker 4: I don't think Mike gets to the point where he's like,
Speaker 4: I can go, I can go to the go here
Speaker 4: to the Saints.
Speaker 3: Will you say that?
Speaker 2: Is this the Cowboys, Jesse.
Speaker 3: I've experienced it. I've experienced it, and this is what
Speaker 3: has gotten me. I've experienced it. It's the Cowboys. I've
Speaker 3: come over here.
Speaker 2: There are premier jobs in the NFL.
Speaker 3: You I gave you three twelve and five seasons and
Speaker 3: that wasn't enough for you to look at me as
Speaker 3: somebody who was worth a contract extension. After that, then
Speaker 3: you set me up and now you you you you
Speaker 3: want to make a deal. So I hear you on
Speaker 3: that aspect. But this is a question I would have
Speaker 3: as Mike McCarthy and his agent go to the market,
Speaker 3: because he is a free agent actor this year. Who
Speaker 3: wants him? And how do you sell him? Okay, New
Speaker 3: Orleans is open? How do you sell Mike McCarthy to
Speaker 3: that fan base the same way you just sold the Jets.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you the same thing.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you, Hey, here's what I did when
Speaker 5: I had the quarterback. He well, I don't know if
Speaker 5: he can go to the Jets of Ary Rodgers gonna
Speaker 5: be today already they greasing his kids. But I go
Speaker 5: and I go, hey, listen, when when when they gave
Speaker 5: me what I needed? I was I was twelve, I
Speaker 5: was twelve or five? Right, three straight seasons? Now I
Speaker 5: know what happened when against Green Bay. And if I'm
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy, I go probably my defensive coordinator who you
Speaker 5: know who?
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 5: Actually, you know, I had to agree to bring him on,
Speaker 5: but I don't really that was my first choice to
Speaker 5: bring him on.
Speaker 3: Uh he will.
Speaker 5: Look the other jobs were supposed to getting ready for
Speaker 5: a playoff game and that that didn't work well for us.
Speaker 3: But here's what I am able to do. I can,
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 5: I can get funky when you give me something to
Speaker 5: get funky with. You know what I'm saying now. The
Speaker 5: last year, y'all see with Derek Carr. Y'all, see y'all see.
Speaker 2: What it is.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna continue to put on there. You know, I
Speaker 5: had a quarterback and now he was second with the
Speaker 5: v P Roader votings. He he has some of his
Speaker 5: best years under me. I'm telling all that anything I
Speaker 5: can sell him to.
Speaker 3: That he's gonna fix Williams list.
Speaker 4: Okay, look, this is weird because you're the guy who
Speaker 4: sow me on Mike, because if you've been watching my show,
Speaker 4: I called him Michael Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I jumped off.
Speaker 3: I jumped off to the ship. I was like, jump off.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not here. I take you over to
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Speaker 4: He'll brought to you by Okay, you.
Speaker 3: Never know what you.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 3: Listen, you never know what you're gonna get with me,
Speaker 3: but you're gonna get old of me.
Speaker 2: That's what we need. We need. You need to do
Speaker 2: a live show, bro, That's what you need.
Speaker 4: You need a live show, people, because if you go
Speaker 4: stand up on the desk like that, but people need
Speaker 4: to see you live. Now.
Speaker 2: This is I pay a ticket to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 3: Okay he safe? Oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 5: By the way, we got Thursday and that football got Thursday.
Speaker 5: In my assurance company, CEO got killed the other day.
Speaker 5: I got I gotta check the assurance out, bro, see
Speaker 5: how things is going over there.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, we're moving to him next year, so
Speaker 3: might coven him next We're going back into this. I
Speaker 3: gotta I gotta make sure my things is. Man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get out of this business. When I saw my
Speaker 3: limbs making was making ten mill, I need I'm in
Speaker 3: the wrong business. What do I need to get? I
Speaker 3: need to get up out of this CEOs. You making
Speaker 3: that kind of you don't want to get that. You
Speaker 3: don't want to get in that political situation right about now?
Speaker 3: Ten million? Yes, people, Satary is ten million. You're not
Speaker 3: talking about the stock options and the other stuff I'm
Speaker 3: getting I do. You ain't talking about the playing. No,
Speaker 3: I'm shut up people, people, You'll get this man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get sugar.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: You get a whole bunch of people around me. Go
Speaker 3: get a couple of young boys like my man Jared.
Speaker 4: Got the boy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call ros Rosie what you're doing now?
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna that's all up.
Speaker 3: Go catch me a million. I'm in the wrong bit.
Speaker 3: People come to me to hey, man, you talk to
Speaker 3: my kid. Kid got the industry? Like, you don't want
Speaker 3: to talk to me? I do. I tell you, I
Speaker 3: want to talk to me.
Speaker 4: You're not the guty to go to the ass man.
Speaker 4: How did it work for you? You telling bare Bones?
Speaker 4: What was you making your first gig? You told us
Speaker 4: that what hundred dollars a week? Three hundred a week?
Speaker 4: So it was one time. Uh back when Keith Russell
Speaker 4: was a channel left.
Speaker 3: We're the Mavericks. Hey want you to meet so and
Speaker 3: so she's trying to get the business. Give us some advice.
Speaker 3: I said, how much time you got left? The two years?
Speaker 3: I say, you got time to become a business man.
Speaker 3: I say, you know, I'm gonna tell you. I tell you, okay,
Speaker 3: be the person who owns a team, not slapping around
Speaker 3: like me. Who's talking about it was? It was the
Speaker 3: crew at w R A L t V and Roley
Speaker 3: Durham who told me don't get in this business.
Speaker 2: Don't do it.
Speaker 6: Nah.
Speaker 3: I'm like nah, I like to TV. Oh, we guys
Speaker 3: get to talk to Dan Smith. I'm like, I want
Speaker 3: to do this is the basic. They're like, don't do it.
Speaker 3: Go go to law school, you know, go get a business,
Speaker 3: go do something like Man, I was too stupid because
Speaker 3: that was back when when Bill Clinton was president. Like
Speaker 3: any stock you put down and made a bunch of money,
Speaker 3: I should have gone into the hedge fund industry. You
Speaker 3: could owned the team, own the team, done some of
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, man, And instead of sitting up
Speaker 3: here making wage, I make wait, that's I make wages. No, mother, folks,
Speaker 3: they make profits. So go to business school. Go to
Speaker 3: business school, Go do that.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, don't come to me these dreams I have, Like,
Speaker 3: this business is.
Speaker 4: Not what it was when I got Tom Ever neezer, gentlemen,
Speaker 4: don't emmy emmy with it.
Speaker 6: Did that?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like, I got, I've got, I've got. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I've been successful in this and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you no, I have done just about everything I
Speaker 3: ever thought I could do in this injuryment. I've had
Speaker 3: some great moments. Man, I'll never forget the first Super Bowl, man,
Speaker 3: San Diego Jets flying over. Man, I'm sitting here Watch.
Speaker 3: Get ready to watch John Lway fourteen point underdog go
Speaker 3: up against the Green Bay Pack. Watch the game was great.
Speaker 3: I was there in the build. First time I went
Speaker 3: to Vegas is like, you know what, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make sure I go at night because I want to
Speaker 3: see the lights and I want to go for a
Speaker 3: championship fight. So I go see Mike Tyson fight.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I've lived a fantastic dream going to the Dean Dome
Speaker 3: to see North Carolina play when they took on Florida
Speaker 3: State the year they won the national championship with the
Speaker 3: greatest comebacks they ever had, a twenty two point come back.
Speaker 3: I've seen the greatest things. I've been wanting to cover
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. Man. I covered Magic Johnson with the Lakers. Man,
Speaker 3: fabulous for it. I was there when Kobe came and
Speaker 3: Shot came. To Dude, I have lived a fantastic dream
Speaker 3: gone to see final fours. Man, Dude, I have seen it,
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you right now, knew if you could go,
Speaker 3: what would you do. I took my ass to business
Speaker 3: school and learn business and be aheadsp us so I
Speaker 3: could be hanging with Jerry Jones and done that. So
Speaker 3: when they come to me. Now, I'm like kids, this
Speaker 3: stuff is not exactly what you think it is.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 3: It is fun, but at the same time, there's things
Speaker 3: that you can and cannot do.
Speaker 2: How many rich, miserable guys do you know?
Speaker 3: Hey man, let me be one of them. You let
Speaker 3: me find out.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
Speaker 3: Again a couple of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know them.
Speaker 3: Let me find out you know what you know? And
Speaker 3: I'll be okay. Now I got I got this Bible,
Speaker 3: and there's gonna be some verses that tell me what
Speaker 3: to do. So I'll be okay, I'll be okay rich,
Speaker 3: and I'll give some money. I'll be all right. But
Speaker 3: when I just tell people this is not what you
Speaker 3: think it is. And now and you see them, just
Speaker 3: you seeing these kids come in here. Now I have
Speaker 3: to work getting in Christmas man, little I remember I've
Speaker 3: had to tell people, what do you back up?
Speaker 6: Mean?
Speaker 2: Back up me?
Speaker 3: You work Christmas night? You back up me and one
Speaker 3: man one man's or trying to make it fair? Now
Speaker 3: you know you got off Christmas New Year's and I
Speaker 3: got a contract. But I used to work these holidays.
Speaker 3: Now kids come in over that I don't want to
Speaker 3: work that damn man, my family, but I want to go.
Speaker 3: I want to go see my family. Know what I
Speaker 3: used to do? Tell my family, Hey, cowboys play three o'clock.
Speaker 3: Everything's given. You want. You want to spend thanks in me,
Speaker 3: come here, Come here, we'll cook, we'll have whatever. But
Speaker 3: come here.
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 3: This is what I do. Wow, I spent my life
Speaker 3: in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: What we do right, It's what this is.
Speaker 3: I tell people, I live in two seasons, football season
Speaker 3: on football season. A lot of these kids don't want that.
Speaker 3: And depending you you know, where you live in our
Speaker 3: industry dictates how your life is revolved around. All my
Speaker 3: friends in the Carolinas, they know you don't take off March,
Speaker 3: and you don't take off April because a tournament is
Speaker 3: around here and somebody's gonna be at the final four,
Speaker 3: so you're working that time. Don't sit around here. Try
Speaker 3: to take off the week after Christmas because there's going
Speaker 3: to be bowl games. You're in a college football area,
Speaker 3: in a college basket This is what your life is.
Speaker 3: When I worked in Los Angeles, don't take off April
Speaker 3: May June. Don't take it off because bil Jackson had
Speaker 3: they lakers in the finals it's what you do. And
Speaker 3: right now, if you're in LA, don't take off October
Speaker 3: November because the Dodgers are make They're going to be
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. And so there's a lot of folks
Speaker 3: man who don't realize this is what their life is.
Speaker 3: It is what it is, and they want to They
Speaker 3: want to have it both ways worse than ever because
Speaker 3: man used to be justly? Did it now?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Colonal? I want to be off. They want fair.
Speaker 4: I want fair that I want to be equal with Hey,
Speaker 4: don't ask Newie, No they asked, but I try to
Speaker 4: be cutting.
Speaker 3: You don't want to talk to me. Cut this look,
Speaker 3: cut this out. Put it in the video for new
Speaker 3: He send it to him. So in the hill, what
Speaker 3: do you think?
Speaker 2: What's your number?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you this little click clip and they
Speaker 3: got it. I don't want to lead Dallas. You mean
Speaker 3: you leave?
Speaker 2: You gotta go.
Speaker 3: I'm like, do you not understand, like mind League Baseball? No,
Speaker 3: you don't start off playing for you go to the
Speaker 3: chit lit circuit. You gotta go. You gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 3: And what's your tall for? Hey, Jackson, that's if you're
Speaker 3: lucky enough to get to a place where you're next
Speaker 3: to a state uret. You may have to go out
Speaker 3: to Utah, you may have to go out to the
Speaker 3: area Arizona, somewhere. You may have to go somewhere coal
Speaker 3: up in Michigan to go get your start. And folks
Speaker 3: don't want to do that, Like this is what it is.
Speaker 3: You don't start here. But that's the dude. All right.
Speaker 3: So packers tonight, Packers Detroit BC is taking berries, come
Speaker 3: in and he's taking green Back. Yeah that's a bit. Okay,
Speaker 3: So what you're going with, I'm going with America's team.
Speaker 3: You're going with.
Speaker 4: You're talking about man, Yeah, you came in with a
Speaker 4: lot of controversy today. I'm taking Green Bank with Detroit.
Speaker 3: Okay, you taking on green I'm going green Bay DETROITCE.
Speaker 3: Got the injuries. Got the injuries, man, got the injuries
Speaker 3: are piling up. I mean, dude, if Matt eberflus knew
Speaker 3: how to call the game, they probably have to go
Speaker 3: to overtime and lose against Chicago after having the lead.
Speaker 3: The injuries are piling up.
Speaker 2: What's uh?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 10: Give me green Bay to win this one? Thirty one
Speaker 10: twenty seven. Wow, all right, I'm tonight. Yeah, this is
Speaker 10: where's the game gonna be CBS. It's gonna be up
Speaker 10: in Detroit and Detroit. Come on, man, give me, give
Speaker 10: me twenty eight. I'm gonna twenty twenty four, twenty eight,
Speaker 10: twenty four Lions. Okay, we're gonna fall further behind the pits.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go thirty five twenty four Detruth.
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