1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we head to Connecticut. The attorney 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: for a strange husband, Fotus Dulos, the husband of missing 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Dulos, is added again with 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: another theory to drag the missing victim, the mom through 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the mud, joining Nancy Grace, Fame trial attorney Penny Douglas, 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: FIR forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan from Radar Online, Alexis 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Terrez Chuck, investigative journalists for Crime Online Dave Mack and 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: in the Crime Online Studios Jackie Howard Crime Stories with 9 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. An update from New Canan tonight, We're friends 10 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: and family of a missing New can woman are reacting 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: to the newest claims being made by her estranged husband's attorney. 12 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: As we reported, Norm Pattis again asked the Chord for 13 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: access to Jennifer Dulos's medical records, saying they show she 14 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: saw a doctor six weeks after she disappeared. A spokesman 15 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: for the friends and family of Jennifer say the bill 16 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: is a routine quarterly statement with no connection to in 17 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: person visits. The statement goes on to say to allege 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: that Jennifer, together with her family orchestrated her own disappearance 19 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: is baseless and cruel. Well, the attorney for a strange husband, 20 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: Phonus Dulos, the husband of missing Connecticut mom of five 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, is added again with another theory to drag 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: the missing victim, the mom through the mud. Her family 23 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: speaking out, I don't blame him. I would be screaming 24 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: out as he Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you 25 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: for being with us. You were just hearing our friends 26 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: there at News twelve Connecticut. Looks like Jennifer Dulos is 27 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: a strange husband. Photus Dulos and his lawyer no no 28 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: bounds and what they will say to besmirch the name 29 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: of Jennifer Dulos, a mother of five. In the last hours, 30 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: the family of missing Connecticut mom Jennifer Dulos slam a 31 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: claim by a strange husband, Photus Dulos, that she Jennifer 32 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: got medical treatment after she disappeared. Jennifer Dulos, as you know, 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: has been missing now since the end of May. Her 34 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: estranged husband, Photus Dulos, facing charges related to her disappearance, 35 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: but not kidnapping, not murder, tampering with evidence. He allegedly 36 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: is caught on video throwing out bloody clothing, bloody sponges. 37 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Last time Jennifer was seen, she took her children to school, 38 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: came home. I don't believe she ever made it out 39 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: of the family garage because there is blood spattered. There 40 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: is blood dropping, not only in the family garage. Her 41 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: cell phone stayed in her car. It never made it 42 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: in the home. And that cell phone that she had 43 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: with her as she dropped her children off at school 44 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: that morning, traveled with her car where it was later 45 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: abandoned in a dissly wooded area near a park. That garage, 46 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: bloody blood on her car, blood on the other car 47 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: that had been parked in the garage, but no Jennifer. 48 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: The husband and his girlfriend allegedly spotted throwing out bloody sponges, 49 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: bloody cleaning things like a mob bloody T shirts, a 50 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: Vineyard Vines T shirt that had belonged to Jennifer, all bloody. 51 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Still no murder charge, no kidnapping charge. And it's just 52 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: crazy how he suddenly turns into a neat neck getting 53 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: his vehicle belonging to an employee cleaned and detailed, and 54 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: then assisting the employee get rid of the back seat 55 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: of his own car. Why Because Jennifer's blood was in 56 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: the back seat of the employee's car that Fodus Dulos, 57 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: the husband took without the employee's knowledge. And now in 58 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: the last hours, he and his defense attorneys launched another 59 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: claim that Jennifer's really alive and that she has orchestrated 60 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: a disappearing act along with her family. Really, what about 61 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: all those bloody clothes he allegedly was throwing out with 62 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: his lover before we go to our all star panel. 63 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I have a legal expert with me right now. You 64 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: know her, well, Penny Douglas Fir, who is no stranger 65 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: to a divorce case. She's handled many, many of them, 66 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, Penny. I got a problem with this lawyer 67 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: dragging Jennifer's name through the suggesting that this mom of five, 68 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: very devoted mom of five, would intentionally pull a disappearing 69 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: act along with her family and pretend she was murdered 70 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: when she's got five children looking for her by pulling 71 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: up some old medical bill that was computer generated. How 72 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: could this come back and bite the husband in the neck? Well, Nancy, 73 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: even with his case, it hurts his case because every 74 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: time he makes another allegation. It brings all of this 75 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: up again. Everybody starts talking about the bloody clothes. People 76 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: who are going to sit on the jury hear about 77 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: the bloody clothes, and so I really think that to 78 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: benefit his side of the case, he's better off just 79 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: saying nothing at all until try. I mean, Penny Douglas, 80 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: for you've tried and handled so many cases. How you 81 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: and I met, You're on the other side of a 82 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: felony case and I was prosecuting it. Long story short, 83 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: That's why we have the Fifth Amendment. That is why 84 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: it's part of the Bill of Rights, the first ten 85 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: amendments to the Constitution. So people will get the hint, 86 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: shut the hay up. But apparently he's not getting the message, 87 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: because very often he's standing beside his lawyer with a 88 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: freaky little smirky smile on his face while his lawyer 89 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: drops another bombshell on Jennifer's family. I mean, there's a 90 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: chance at these crazy theories. I mean, here's this one. 91 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: They get a bill for Jennifer's medical treatment and then 92 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: they take to the airwaves claiming, oh, this bill was 93 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: after she goes missing. So this show she's alive. The 94 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: family fights back and says, no, ageant. It's a computer 95 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: generated bill, just like you get an American Express bill 96 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: or whatever bill in the mail. This is a bill 97 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: for previous medical treatment, whatever it may have been. But Penny, 98 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: why would they do this? Well, it makes him look stupid. 99 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't understand why they're doing this. Talking period just 100 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: doesn't help his side. There's nothing that helps his side. 101 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: Once they found this blood on things that he was 102 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: throwing in the trash ken and it turned out to 103 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: be her blood, He's better off just letting it go 104 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: away and letting time pass because bringing things up and 105 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: continuing to talk will hurt him tremendously because these things 106 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: he's talking about they could come back up at trial, 107 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: and when they do, he looks totally crazy. How in 108 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: the world did we get here? And where is Jennifer 109 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Dulo's Connecticut mom of five? Take a listen to our 110 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: friends at ABC. This is the second time that photos 111 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Dulos has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of 112 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: his estranged wife, Jennifer, a mother of five. She's been 113 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: missing since May twenty four. Mister Dulos taken an accustomed 114 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: to afternoon at his home in Farmington, and we're told 115 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: he will be charged with tampering with evidence again. Dulos 116 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Ltraconas have been free on a half 117 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: million dollars bail each since they're arrest in early June. 118 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: At the time they were charged with hindering prosecution and 119 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: evidence tampering. Dulos has been under GPS monitoring. He is 120 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: not allowed to have contact with any of his five children. Meanwhile, 121 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: no sighting of Jennifer Dulos since her disappearance. They beliefs 122 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: believe a serious assault took place in the Dulos home. 123 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: They found blood splatters and stains, along with evidence of 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: an attempted cleanup. A man resembling mister Dulos was seen 125 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: on surveillance cameras dumping garbage bags in various spots in Hartford. 126 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Dulos has denied any wrongdoing, but again he is under 127 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: arrest again and again charged with evidence tampering. And still 128 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: the big mystery, what happened to Jennifer Dulos and those 129 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: five children without their mom and in a very real 130 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: sense now also without their father. What we know right 131 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: now is he is facing this allegedly successful real estate 132 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: developer facing additional tampering with evidence charges. Now that is 133 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: not her make But you've got to ask yourself, why 134 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: is the estranged husband tampering with evidence crime stories with 135 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace bombshell in the last hour or the estranged 136 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: husband of missing Connecticut Mama five Jennifer Dulos lawyer says, 137 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: she's not missing, she's not dead, She's still alive and 138 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, has fabricated an intricate plan 139 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: to stage her own disappearance. This after we learn from 140 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: an extensive affidavit that police are eyeing her husband, Photos Dulos, 141 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: and his lover because they say the two were caught 142 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: on video surveillance video throwing out bloody items and over 143 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: twenty stops items that are positive for Jennifer Dulos blood. 144 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: Right now, Jennifer's five children are in the temporary custody 145 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: of Jennifer's mother, husband Photus Dulos has tried every trick 146 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: in the book to get a hold of her medical records. 147 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: Why this latest allegation that Jennifer Dulos has faked her 148 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: own disappearance, as proven by a computer generated medical bill 149 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: that was generated after she goes missing. That is the 150 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: evidence the defense lawyer is using for this bizarre claim. 151 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: With me right now before we go back to our panel. 152 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Renowned attorney, no stranger to family law courts, Penny Douglas 153 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: Fur in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Penny, this is just one 154 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: of many, many claims outlandish claims Photus Dulos lawyer has made. 155 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: First of all, they said that Jennifer Dulos I had 156 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: written a quote Gone Girl novel script and that that 157 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: script was basically that screenplay was basically a blueprint for 158 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: her disappearance. All right. Another claim that photos Dulos has 159 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: thrown out there is that his wife Jennifer had quote 160 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: serious psychological problems and was a quote hermit for years 161 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: before he asked her for a divorce. Remember he's the 162 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: one that was having an affair. Now, this is despite 163 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: being banned from speaking about Jennifer by the trial judge, 164 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: he goes on to speak to Pronto Thema last week 165 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: it's a Greek news website trashing his wife. Now, I 166 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: find that very interesting, Penny Douglas Fur, because the court 167 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: gave her primary custody. She was the one taking the 168 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: children back and forth to school. She was the one 169 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: carrying on normal relationships with her friends. She was the 170 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: one that wanted a divorce after he was having an 171 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: affair with I guess his first lover. Probably not, So 172 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: why would he go to the press after being warned 173 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: by the trial judge not to do that and trash 174 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: her if she had any emotional promises. Probably because of him. Well, 175 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: that can easily be turned on him, and divorce cases 176 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: are hot beds for this kind of nastiness going back 177 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: and forth between the two of them. However, he would 178 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: be the first person they look at because if he's 179 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: losing in the divorce and she's getting custody and she's 180 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: winning these things, he's going to be hostile. He's going 181 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: to be angry, and he's going after her. So it's 182 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: worse for him in this murder text, well, it's like 183 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: he can't be quiet. This interview that he gave this 184 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: Greek news outlet was very lengthy and included claims that 185 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: he was the one who wanted a divorce in twenty 186 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: sixteen and eighteen. The reality is she's the one that 187 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: filed for divorce in twenty seventeen. This was published on 188 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,119 Speaker 1: September twenty seven weeks after the judge gave a gag 189 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: order banning him, and his lawyers were speaking out about 190 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: Jennifer's character in any way that could impact the jury's opinion. 191 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: And now they've done it again. What about the five children? 192 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: They're gonna hear all this? What about that penny? He 193 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: sounds like an arrogant socie pan and argante. That's one 194 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: way to put it. I look from where I come from. 195 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: A penny, we call it a horse's rear end they 196 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: aka jackass. They're not concerned about their children. They care 197 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: about one person themselves. And he's showing he doesn't care 198 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: about his children by exactly what he's doing now. And 199 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand why the judge is not holding him 200 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: in intent. I don't understand it either. Now. The reality 201 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: is that time after time after time, he Fotus Duelos, 202 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: through his lawyer, is violating the judge's gag order and 203 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: dragging his I believe dead wife through the mud while 204 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: he and his girlfriend, Michelle traconis walk free. Where is 205 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, well, better put, where is her body? To 206 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: syndicate A talk show host Dave mac Dave, I want 207 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: to start at the beginning. Where did she go missing? 208 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: When did she go missing? She dropped her children off 209 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: at eight am. The next thing we know is that 210 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: she missed an eleven am appointment. At twelve noon, the 211 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: cleaning lady came by and there was nobody home. So 212 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: the police have tightened the timeline down to the last time. Wa, whoa, whoa, 213 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Sorry, but I've got to isolate something. You 214 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: just said she dropped the children off at school eight am. 215 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, these people aren't slouch 216 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: as they live in a very upscale area, possibly one 217 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: of the most expensive areas outside of nine two one zero. 218 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: It's surround the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I 219 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: learned living in New York that all the rich people 220 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: would leave after work and take a train to New Canaan. 221 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean the really, really wealthy people. So I can't 222 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: identify where the woman was living. The husband was living 223 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: in a four point three million dollar mansion, but they 224 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: had split up. Long story short, this is where I'm 225 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: going with this, Dave Mac. Eight Am to eleven am 226 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: with Me, Dave Mac. Syndicated talk show host Josica Morgan, 227 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: I need you on this one. You know, when I'm 228 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: making a cup of hot tea first thing in the morning, 229 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: at about five AM, I do not expect a kidnap 230 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: to go down. What I'm saying is, I've been prosecuting 231 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: for many, many years, and it's much more unlikely for 232 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: violent crime to occur first thing in the morning. Now 233 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: this is just anecdotal for me, but it's really when 234 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: you see a kidnap or a murderer or a violent 235 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: crime occur first thing in the morning, what is that? 236 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: I always say, Um, I felt perfectly perfectly safe going 237 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: out in hand delivering subpoenas first thing in the morning, 238 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: because all the dopers would still be asleep like vampires. 239 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: So what is it that the crimes do happen? But 240 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: it's very rare first thing in the morning. Yeah, you're right, Nancy. 241 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, even even swat teams and you know, drug 242 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: task forth like you had stated, they will, they will 243 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: go and serve warrants at these violent offenders homes generally 244 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: at that period of time, because you know, these people 245 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: are not going to be out of the bed by 246 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: that time. Oh oh h w l no, because they've 247 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: been up all night long breaking the law. Selling dope, 248 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: driving around town trying to steal things an arm rob 249 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: m M. You can set up a whole battering ram 250 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: outside inside a doper's door at six am. They won't 251 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: know anything's going on. They're dead to the world till 252 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: about three pm. So can I just get a yes 253 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: no on that, Scott? Yes? So, Dave, Matt, you're telling 254 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: me she goes missing between eight and eleven. She even 255 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: wanted to disappear and get away from her life mighty 256 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: early in the morning. And we don't have any signs 257 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: of her clothes being packed, or a bus ticket, a 258 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: plane ticket, nothing like that, do we, Dave. When the 259 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: police actually went to her rented home in New Canean, 260 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: they found traces of blood and obvious signs that have 261 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: been cleaned up so that the maid could not realize 262 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: what had happened. So I'm assuming they use luminar or 263 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: something along those lines to determine that it was enough blood. 264 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: Who is they and who used the luminar? I'm sorry 265 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: the police. The police all converged on her home to 266 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: try to find her. And again we've got an eight 267 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: am dropping off at school. By eleven am, she misses 268 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: an appointment and by twelve noon, the maid says there's 269 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they 270 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: find traces of blood at such a level that they 271 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to 272 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: conceal from the maid when she arrived it in. Her 273 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: family says she was quote afraid for her life. That's 274 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: what we're learning. That she was a quote nervous wreck 275 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos, her 276 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: husband of thirteen years. Now, according to police, over thirty 277 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found on 278 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: a four mile stretch in Connecticut that DNA apparently matching 279 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: up to Jennifer Dulos. But according to the husband's lawyers 280 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: that the missing mom, Jennifer Dulos, writes a five hundred 281 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: page Gone Girl's style script many years ago, and he 282 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: is now claiming she had a quote troubled pass end 283 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: quote struggled with drugs her whole life. That's interesting, straight 284 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: out to Radar Online dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter, 285 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: because he's had five child with her, and I don't 286 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: recall him ever calling de facts or causing any disturbance 287 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: about the mom using drugs or ever having any problem 288 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: leaving his children alone with her. Nope, none whatsoever. This is, 289 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: according to her family, is coming from out of nowhere, 290 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: that these are really dirty tactics to blame a victim, 291 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: and they've never heard of any of this. And this 292 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: novel that she wrote. She is a New York University 293 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: n why you graduate in literature and she loved to 294 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: write when her mom had met So this is just 295 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: an old story that she wrote. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 296 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back by Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories of 297 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: Fotus Dulos, the estranged husband of missing Connecticut mom of 298 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: five Jennifer. Dulo's lawyer has stuck his foot in his 299 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: very big mouth once again, this time claiming that because 300 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: of a computer generated medical bill the family says medical 301 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: services rendered long before it and Jennifer went missing, that 302 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: it's proved she's alive and has as now perpetrating a 303 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: fantastical hoax not only us, the public, the court system, prosecutors, investigators, 304 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: but on her own five children as well, that she's 305 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: really gone on her own volition, faked disappearance in order 306 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: to quote get back at him. There have been so 307 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: many claims. In fact, one of the outlandish claims Penny 308 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: Douglas for with me are now family lawyer in the 309 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction and beyond is that catch this? I hope 310 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: you're sitting down, Penny, that she committed revenge suicide. That 311 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: was one of the claims photos Dulos is made through 312 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: his lawyer that despite him so much, that she killed 313 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: herself just to get back at him. Yeah, forget about 314 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: raising her five children. I mean, Penny, I kill anybody 315 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: that tried to separate me from my children. So why 316 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: did she fight the custody case? Why did she go 317 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: for custody? Why did she go through all this? Typically 318 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: when a sociopath does something, they won't blame the other 319 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: person and claim they did the same thing that the 320 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: sociopath has done. So anything, he's blaming her and saying 321 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: she did it's probably exactly what he did. Take a 322 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS. The defense attorney Gone 323 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Blowe to lift the veil of privacy and review Jennifer 324 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: Dulos's medical records. The prosecution objected, this is exactly what 325 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: this is. It's a fistianttorney. The defense attorney Norm Pattis 326 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: says the records show Jennifer underwent fourteen thousand dollars in 327 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: testing in the three months prior to her disappearance, with 328 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: charges for blood work, diagnostic and reproductive testing. Pattis says 329 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: it could help prove the defense theory that Jennifer disappeared 330 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: on her own. Accord desponded. The judge denied the request 331 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: for now. Phodis Dulos is charged with taking bloody evidence 332 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: from his wife's home and disposing of it. The two 333 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: were going through a bitter divorce. Her whereabouts and condition 334 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: remain a mystery. There are no rg During a fight 335 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: with Prosecutor Richard Colangelo over a proposed gag order, Pattis 336 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: dropped this piece of news. There's a lot that I 337 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: could say, and he hadn't said. For evan who were 338 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: aware of a lot of visiting money that was taken 339 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: from mister Dulos to accounts by Jennifer, I hadn't going 340 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: to impressive. Colangelo replied that Pattis has given the media 341 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: incorrect information, such as claiming codefendant Michelle Trucks, Dulos's former girlfriend, 342 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: took him past a light detector test. The prosecutor says 343 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: that quote never happened. Does it never end with this guy, 344 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: Penny Douglas Fur, Will it never end the way he's 345 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: trashing her? First of all, she's dead, and now this 346 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: claiming that she stole money from him. Let me tell 347 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: you something, Penny Douglas Fur, the grandmother in this case, 348 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm referring to Jennifer's mother, who is now taking care 349 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: of her five little children, is now looking for the 350 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: money Photus Dulos owes her. Photus Dulos borrowed over a 351 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: million dollars from Jennifer's parents to help his failing construction company. 352 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: He fancied himself as a designer of mansions for wealthy 353 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: builders in the New England area, and he borrowed heavily 354 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: from Jennifer's parents, which he never paid back, I might add. 355 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: And now in the most recent development, the grandmother, Jennifer's 356 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: mother wants to know why he photos Dulos is not 357 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: paying child support. The grandma has all five children. It's 358 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: hard enough for me to raise the twins and work. 359 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a grandmother in Manhattan? You know how 360 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: hard is the hellicab in Manhattan. She's raising these five 361 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: children in Manhattan and now claiming he is not paying 362 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: child support. And now they jump up and claim she 363 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: Jennifer took his money. He's living off her. He's a leech. Penny, Nancy. 364 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Everything he is claiming that she did is something he did. 365 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: He's an associate pan And when they claim that their 366 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: wife does something, it's exactly what they did. They always 367 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: pretend the other person did it. And he claims she's 368 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: on heroin, and he makes up all these stories that 369 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: means he was using it. That's why he's staying all 370 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: these things. I'm so beside myself because these children are 371 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: going to read all this one day when they get 372 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: old enough to research about their mom and her disappearance, 373 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: the suggestion that she took money from him. He owes 374 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: her and her family so much money, according to the grandma, 375 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: That's why he couldn't go through the divorce and Nancy, 376 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: because if they went through the divorce, these all these 377 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: that he's calling loans, it would be he's trying to 378 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: pretend they were gifts. And so when they came up 379 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: in the divorce, most likely the judge would have said 380 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: it's a marital debt, and he would have split it 381 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: and made him pay some and made her pay some. 382 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is he would have had to 383 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: pay those back and he would have had a court 384 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: order ordering him to pay her family the money back. 385 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: You know what, Penny, this is the way our system works. 386 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: The constitution protects the defendant, the accused, the suspect. Okay, 387 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: nothing protects the victim, and in this case, nobody is 388 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: there to protect Jennifer Dulos. As a matter of fact, 389 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: as we go to air, we learn even more the 390 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: attorney for Jennifer Dulos his mom, is renewing a call 391 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: for information on how this defense lawyer, Norm Patous, is 392 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: being paid. The attorney representing the mom, Gloria Farber, in 393 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: her two point five million dollars loose at lawsuit against 394 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: the strange husband photos Dulos and his company, is asking 395 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the judge to reconsider his decision to quass their supp 396 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: issue to the criminal defense lawyer. Now, I can tell 397 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: you right now, she's not going to get any information 398 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: out of the defense lawyer because that is protected by 399 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: the attorney client privilege and there's no way they're going 400 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: to give it up even who's paying the bill. It's 401 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: not going to happen. But we also learn in all 402 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: of these documents that, according to attorney Richard Weinstein, who's 403 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: representing Jennifer's mom, he's been trying to claim, trying to 404 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: prove claims that Fotus Dulas transferred a ton of money 405 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: to Greece from his real estate company, and they're trying 406 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: to find all that money. Meanwhile, meanwhile there are claims 407 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: that he's not paying child support to the grandma. I mean, oh, 408 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: what a tangled web we weave when first we practice 409 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: to deceive. This is typical, especially with builders, because they 410 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: control their money. I've been on the other side in 411 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: divorces with builders and their favorite thing is to take 412 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the cash out movement to another country and the wife 413 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: would have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to 414 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: track and trace that money. And that's why they do 415 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: it that way. I will bet you if there was 416 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: any money in that business, it's in another country in 417 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: another person's name. We also know that foreclosure on Photus 418 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: Dulo's home is happening right now in their Farmington mansion. 419 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: This as Photus Dulos has launched even new claims against 420 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: his missing wife Jennifer, claiming a that she's a runaway 421 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: with somebody else. B That she's fabricated a hoax along 422 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: with her family to perpetrate her disappearance on her children. Three, 423 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: that she has committed revenge suicide, killing herself just to 424 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: get back at him for that she had written a 425 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: gone Girl type novel or screenplay, and that this is 426 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: what her disappearance it's all about. Now he's claiming she's 427 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: stolen from him, while her mom is having to chase 428 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: him down allegedly for child support and for all the 429 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: money he borrowed from her his in laws, and now 430 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: they're claiming that she's really alive based on a medical document. 431 00:29:42,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: It just never ends. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome 432 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: back on Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. In the 433 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: last hour as his strange husband photos Dulos heading to 434 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: court in a civil matter, heading back to court because 435 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: his missing wife mother is going after him for money 436 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: millions of dollars she claims he borrowed, and for closing 437 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: on the Farmington mansion that he was living in. Sounds 438 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: like his whole business was propped up by Jennifer Dulos 439 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: mom and dad. Meanwhile, the five children living with Grandma 440 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. To Penny Douglas for joining us from the 441 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: legal angle, Penny, what's their game? What are they doing 442 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: right now? They're sitting there trying to make up a defense. 443 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: They're trying to come up with a defense that they 444 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: can make at least one person on the jury boss 445 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: so he will not be convicted of killing his wife. 446 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: But they are apparently violating court orders, which is going 447 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: to get them into very difficult water because if the 448 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: judge is furious with you for violating court orders, that's 449 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: not the way you want to start any trial. Where 450 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: is Jennifer Dulos? What happened to this loving, doting mom 451 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: of five. Fotus Dulos fifty one, a real estate developer, 452 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: seemingly successful in for about two million dollars to Jennifer's parents. 453 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: We also know that in the last hours, Jennifer's mother 454 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: has filed motions demanding that the husband, Photus Dulos reveal 455 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: all of his financial records and any alleged sneaky dealings. 456 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: We understand that he had borrowed heavily from Jennifer's parents 457 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: to the teen of one or two million dollars to 458 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: prop up his construction business. Jackie Howard, what can you 459 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: tell me? Jennifer's mother, Gloria Farber, has been caring for 460 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: her five grandchildren since Jennifer went missing. Back on May 461 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, Farber filed emotion seeking all of photos Dulos's 462 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: corporate and individual financial records. That's because Dulos is looking 463 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: to get custody of his kids from Farber. Farber says, though, 464 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: that Dullos doesn't have the means to support his children, 465 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: claiming he has no source of income, has defaulted on 466 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: mortgages owes her late husband's estate as you said, more 467 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: than one point seven million dollars. Farber also claims there 468 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: has not been in any child support payments in more 469 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: than two years. In return, his defense team has filed 470 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: a motion on Jennifer's mother demanding she's submit to a 471 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: mental evaluation. You know what that's playing dirty? It is Nancy, 472 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: But you know you don't have to worry about j 473 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: His mom, Gloria Farber, take a listen to this from 474 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: our friends at WTNA, lawyers for the estranged husband of 475 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, now asking for her mother to be evaluated 476 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: a legal battle plays out over custody of the couple's children. 477 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Laura Ingle is following this story for US Laura Asander Well. 478 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: The motion for psychological evaluation was filed early this morning 479 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: by a lawyer representing Photos Dulos the family. Lawyer for 480 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: Dulos asking the court to appoint a psychologist to conduct 481 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: this evaluation of his children's grandmother, Gloria Farber, saying they 482 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: have no choice but to make such a request to 483 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: ensure that his five children, who she has temporary custody 484 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: of area, who safely cared for now. He claims that 485 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: Gloria Farber, the mother of his estranged wife Jennifer, has 486 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: previously been psychiatrically hospitalized and had once threatened to kill 487 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: herself and her late husband, adding that electric shock therapy 488 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: was discussed by family members as an option for the 489 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: treatment at the time. The attorney Gloria Farber tells US 490 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: she will be filing a formal written statement in response 491 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: to all this. Fotus Dulis and his girlfriend Michelle for Konis, 492 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: You'll remember, are accused of tampering with evidence and hindering 493 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: prosecution in the disappearance of his estranged wife, who has 494 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: been missing since May twenty fourth. Their five children have 495 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: been staying with their grandmother ever since, and Fotus Dulos 496 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: has not been granted access to his kids. Jennifer Dulos, 497 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: her mother, Gloria Farber, has responded to a motion filed 498 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: on behalf of her son in law Fotus Dulos. You 499 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: may recall that his defense attorney requested that Farber undergo 500 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: a psychiatric evaluation. Farber says she has no objection to this, 501 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: adding that her son in law should be evaluated as well, 502 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: going on to say that the motion is salacious and 503 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: demonstrates Fotus Dulos's capacity for cruelty. As you all know, 504 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: Jennifer file for divorce in twenty seventeen, has been locked 505 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: in an acrimonious legal battle for custody of their twin boys, 506 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: another set of twins, boy girl and a daughter. All 507 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: the children very young, between eight and thirteen years old. 508 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Jennifer had written in court documents, I am afraid for 509 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: my family's safety. Wow, to get an idea what she 510 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: looks like to me, she looks a little bit like 511 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner. Trying to figure this all out, Alexis, what 512 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: more can you tell us? For the last two years, 513 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: Jennifer has been fighting for US for custody of her 514 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: five children. In multiple court documents, she has claimed that 515 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: she's afraid for her life. She's afraid of him. He 516 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: is somebody that she really feels I could really do 517 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: harm to her and the children, and she has been 518 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: stagging a judge to give her custody of the children. 519 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story, signing 520 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,