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Speaker 1: And there's been some I mean, the way the Trump
Speaker 1: administration has handled this from day one has been clownish.
Speaker 1: You know. We had the original release of the Epstein
Speaker 1: files to a bunch of influencers, even though there was
Speaker 1: no new information in there, and in fact, there was
Speaker 1: publica avelent information that was redacted in the so called
Speaker 1: Epstein files. The release of that was certainly a botched one.
Speaker 1: But more recently, the appearance of Cash Battel, the FBI
Speaker 1: director on Joe Rogan's podcast has just been nothing short
Speaker 1: of insane because Cash Battel, now that he is the
Speaker 1: FBI director, is directly contradicting many of the things that
Speaker 1: he himself said only just two years ago about the
Speaker 1: circumstances of the Jeffrey Epstein case. This surrounds of multiple things. Okay,
Speaker 1: so number one starts with Jeffrey Epstein himself and the
Speaker 1: so called suicide, where we were told a couple of things.
Speaker 1: We were told the camera was off. We were told
Speaker 1: as well that there's dreams of information and hours of
Speaker 1: footage that was seized by the FBI in the initial
Speaker 1: rate of the Epstein mansion that has been held by
Speaker 1: the FBI, the infamous Black Book, and so many of
Speaker 1: the others that the FBI had and had not yet
Speaker 1: been released to the public. And yet now we are
Speaker 1: told by Cash Pattel a couple of things. They say
Speaker 1: that the camera allegedly was on this whole time. By
Speaker 1: the way, we were not told that that's actually the
Speaker 1: opposite of the original story. For the way this so
Speaker 1: called suicide went down. We're told by the top levels
Speaker 1: of the FBI that actually Epstein did kill himself. After all,
Speaker 1: there hundred percent certain. They can't release WHL file to
Speaker 1: dos because we're not allowed to know as the public.
Speaker 1: And we're also not going to see any of the
Speaker 1: footage that was seized by the FBI because they don't
Speaker 1: want to revictimize women. So let's take a listen to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Cash Betel and today's Cash Betel. Why
Speaker 1: is the FBI protecting the greatest pederist, the largest scale
Speaker 1: pederist in human history.
Speaker 3: Simple because of who's on that list. You don't think
Speaker 3: that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress. We're night and day
Speaker 3: to prevent the disclosure of that list. And why is
Speaker 3: it that the Senate?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out.
Speaker 3: But then Dick Turbin comes over the top and says, no,
Speaker 3: we're not going to release the names. I don't care
Speaker 3: about the list itself, but if released the names, right
Speaker 3: and I've said it, Dan Bongino said it. We've reviewed
Speaker 3: all the information and the American public is going to
Speaker 3: get as much as we can release.
Speaker 1: He killed himself.
Speaker 3: Do you think let's play out the logical conclusion of this.
Speaker 3: Do you think that myself Bongino and others would participate
Speaker 3: pay in hiding information about Epstein's grow test activities, or
Speaker 3: do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting
Speaker 3: people we had evidence to prosecute people on where's the
Speaker 3: videotape of Anifstein Island of X, Y and Z committing
Speaker 3: these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do
Speaker 3: you really think I wouldn't give that to you if
Speaker 3: it existed.
Speaker 1: No, It's like, do you I think you would participate
Speaker 1: in a cover up if you're at the top level
Speaker 1: of a FBI and subject to a massive blackmail machine
Speaker 1: at the top of an international intelligence apparatus. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think that, and in fact, because all of history
Speaker 1: ve indicates that, looking at literally the history of the FBI.
Speaker 1: But broadly, I mean, we can just compare all of
Speaker 1: the same things that they said to what they're now saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, the craziest thing he's saying is that we
Speaker 1: were not going to re victimize women. And I understand
Speaker 1: the I would understand if we're saying that in six
Speaker 1: now we have what we have technology to be able
Speaker 1: to I mean, listen murder and other images which are
Speaker 1: ghastly and devastating or released to the public. All the time.
Speaker 1: They redact images, you know, for example of like actual victims,
Speaker 1: but very often, especially in fact, in cases like this,
Speaker 1: they will make sure to protect the child, underage women
Speaker 1: or the victim's identity, while at the same time releasing
Speaker 1: footage of the perpetrators. Remember, we still to this date
Speaker 1: do not have an accurate accounting of the island, of
Speaker 1: the files and everything that went on inside of that mansion,
Speaker 1: so called hidden cameras. And I know all of this
Speaker 1: quote sounds crazy, but like this is documented fact at
Speaker 1: this point. So here we have cash Patel saying he
Speaker 1: won't revictimize women, but most importantly saying that the cameras
Speaker 1: were on in the Epstein prison. Again, that is a
Speaker 1: direct lie then told previously by the Bureau of Prisons
Speaker 1: and by the Trump administration the initial time around itself.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, what about the video from the island.
Speaker 3: Oh that's sorry, So you're talking about t yeah so sorry,
Speaker 3: so yeah, so again, We're going to give you everything
Speaker 3: we can, and people have to remember, we're not going
Speaker 3: to revictimize women. We're not going to put that shit
Speaker 3: back out there. It's not happening because then he wins
Speaker 3: not doing it. You want to hate me for it?
Speaker 3: Fine again, logical playout. If there was a video of
Speaker 3: some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and
Speaker 3: I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see.
Speaker 1: It if you have access to it, If.
Speaker 3: I have it, period, If I have it, If I
Speaker 3: have it, so where else would it be right?
Speaker 1: If you have it?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: But you can't say that.
Speaker 1: You have it.
Speaker 3: No, we're giving you everything we have so far. Everything
Speaker 3: we have so far is.
Speaker 1: Have you guys gone over all the video that's available.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. That's what takes so
Speaker 3: much damn time. But the problem is there's been like
Speaker 3: fifteen years of people coming in and creating fictions about
Speaker 3: this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of Anne, of
Speaker 3: X Y and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you
Speaker 3: given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't
Speaker 3: give that to you if it existed. I'm working my
Speaker 3: ass off, along with the leadership at the Bureau DJ
Speaker 3: to get you what we're allowed to give you. And
Speaker 3: you're gonna get the video of the cell and you're
Speaker 3: gonna see for yourself. And we will never be able
Speaker 3: to convince everyone.
Speaker 6: What you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't you think I would give that to you?
Speaker 2: No, actually, because you're not at the video, we're gonna
Speaker 2: see her.
Speaker 1: He said the camera was on. That's literally not what
Speaker 1: we were told. So the camera was off and the
Speaker 1: guards were sleeping, And like, oh yeah, okay, I think
Speaker 1: sham bonding.
Speaker 4: This administration said that, didn't she Well.
Speaker 1: She said that they had been reviewing hours of video.
Speaker 1: We can actually we may even have that. I'm not sure. No,
Speaker 1: we don't have it today. But she previously had said
Speaker 1: that we are reviewing thousands of hours of video, and
Speaker 1: now they're like, well, actually, we can't release any of
Speaker 1: that video to the public.
Speaker 2: Also, there's not the video you want. And also we
Speaker 2: have definitive proof, even though we didn't before.
Speaker 1: Look, there's a easy way to solve all of this.
Speaker 1: Release it all to the public. Okay, you can easily
Speaker 1: release all of this to the American public. We will
Speaker 1: make up our minds for ourselves, and you can do
Speaker 1: that while being sensitive to the victims. I also would
Speaker 1: honestly like to have a poll and a survey of
Speaker 1: the all the Epstein victims and ask them, Hey, is
Speaker 1: it okay for us to be able to see this
Speaker 1: is while we do all the sensitive work of making
Speaker 1: sure we redact you and privately and keep your privacy.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you these people would be willing to have
Speaker 1: it out in the public because they were horribly victimized
Speaker 1: and they want their you know, the people who took
Speaker 1: advantage of them to be held accountable to the public.
Speaker 1: And this also is where the Elon you know tie
Speaker 1: incomes where Elon claimed that it was that Trump himself
Speaker 1: was implicated in the Epstein files, and that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why that Trump has not released them yet
Speaker 1: to date. So pretty extraordinary accusation.
Speaker 2: Before we play what Trumps because every time Trump gets
Speaker 2: asked about this, he gets real squirrely. Right, going back
Speaker 2: to his first administration, when we got asked about Gleine Maxwell.
Speaker 1: I say the infamous I wish well, I wish her
Speaker 1: well well.
Speaker 2: Epstein said that Trump was his Bessie for ten years.
Speaker 2: Whether that is fully accurate or not, we know they
Speaker 2: were friends, We have video and pictures on them together.
Speaker 2: We know Trump was on the plane seven times according
Speaker 2: to the flight logs. We know Trump in an interview
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he likes him young, So like one
Speaker 2: hundred percent Trump is quote unquote in the Epstein files.
Speaker 2: You know what all that entails is another matter. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean this is why it's always been so funny.
Speaker 4: The right had a deep interest in this.
Speaker 2: I think there's good reason to have a deep interest
Speaker 2: in it, especially in particular how it ties into all
Speaker 2: of these wealthy and powerful people and potential you know,
Speaker 2: Israeli Masad activities as well. Yeah, and that's and that's
Speaker 2: the other reason why very likely the government doesn't want
Speaker 2: to release everything that's available, because that will be abundantly
Speaker 2: clear that he, you know, was an intelligence asseid maybe
Speaker 2: potentially for the lawyers whatever. But but you've got those
Speaker 2: two things. You've got this very pro Israel administration. You
Speaker 2: have a guy who spent years entangled with this man,
Speaker 2: and you think you're going to get all the goods
Speaker 2: on him, even though repeatedly when Trump.
Speaker 4: Gets asked about this, he dodges. And so let's go.
Speaker 2: Ahead and play this video of him getting asked on
Speaker 2: Fox News. And this was crazy too. So Fox News
Speaker 2: in the run into the election, they asked him like,
Speaker 2: what about UFOs, what about JFK and.
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, release it, Yes, release it.
Speaker 2: And they're like what about Epstein And he's like yeah,
Speaker 2: well and they edited it originally to cut down all
Speaker 2: the rest of the like, well, no, I probably actually
Speaker 2: won't do that, and there's some problems et cetera. To
Speaker 2: make it sound like he was like, yes, we're going
Speaker 2: to release it. Let's go ahead and take a listen
Speaker 2: to the unedited version of what he actually said in
Speaker 2: that Fox News interview.
Speaker 4: Would you declassify the nine to eleven files?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Would you declassified JFK files?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Would? I did a lot of it.
Speaker 4: Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 6: I guess I would.
Speaker 2: I think that less so because you know, you don't
Speaker 2: know if you don't want to affect people's lives if
Speaker 2: it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: phony stuff with that whole world.
Speaker 4: But I think I.
Speaker 2: Would, So different than just an affirmative yes any Always
Speaker 2: every time he gets asked about it, it's something similar like, hell,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about their privacy and people are involved, et cetera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, h people are involved.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, no matter who is president, just really
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, we all genuinely do deserve
Speaker 1: to know. I mean I think there I actually genuinely
Speaker 1: believe that it's not Trump which is holding all of
Speaker 1: this up. I think it's Israel. I think it's mos Odd.
Speaker 1: I think it's very obvious considering the original comments by
Speaker 1: alex Acosta and by the initial prosecutors quote intelligence was involved.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a direct quote. You can go
Speaker 1: and read it for yourself if you want to. Back
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen. I think that's the only reason that
Speaker 1: we don't know. In a sense, we don't even you know,
Speaker 1: like without the files, we know everything that we need
Speaker 1: to know. Israeli agent. We're gathering intelligence on all of
Speaker 1: the highest levels of American society. For what purpose you
Speaker 1: can only guess. And that's another thing. People are like, well,
Speaker 1: how do they use this information? I don't think people
Speaker 1: understand how intelligence gathering works. The whole point is that
Speaker 1: you gather it so that you may have to use
Speaker 1: it in the future in case you need to aid Barock,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Israel literally spending multiple nights week
Speaker 1: at his mansion. Okay, this is These are documented facts,
Speaker 1: like using his money to invest with all of the
Speaker 1: world's billionaires from Peter Teel which has when more recently
Speaker 1: revealed to Leon Black at the Apollo. I'm not even
Speaker 1: worried about people suing me. This is fact, like, literally
Speaker 1: had to resign from his company. One of the most
Speaker 1: private or one of the most powerful billionaires in the
Speaker 1: world had to resign from his company because of his
Speaker 1: what was it two hundred million dollar payment via his
Speaker 1: private jet LLC that was being paid by or being
Speaker 1: paid to Jeffrey Epstein over one hundred and fifty million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely for jet maintenance. I'm sure that's what it was
Speaker 1: all about. Bill Gates and the Nobel p I mean,
Speaker 1: this is obvious.
Speaker 4: And then Peter Teel piece is the is the new, Yes,
Speaker 4: brand new.
Speaker 1: He had a lot of money, and there he had
Speaker 1: a bunch of money I think in one of his
Speaker 1: funds it's apparently now yielding incredible results to the Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein estate. The point is just that the money was
Speaker 1: a tool obviously. Also, yeah, Leslie Wexner, who I think
Speaker 1: is still alive to this day, who just miraculously gifted
Speaker 1: him all this money for no apparent reason or any
Speaker 1: of that whatsoever. This is obvious and like, I know
Speaker 1: it sounds like eyes wide shut, but it's all real,
Speaker 1: Like this is documented, it is, it exists, you know,
Speaker 1: President or Bill Clinton on the plane multiple times, Junior
Speaker 1: by his own admission, on the flame a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the part I don't get either. When
Speaker 1: you're filthy rich, why are we accepting gifts like this
Speaker 1: from you know, questionable people. Do you have the money
Speaker 1: just fly yourself? I don't get it. Yeah, I see
Speaker 1: YouTube posts, don't act.
Speaker 2: Always wanted to ignore his ties and how closely linked
Speaker 2: he was with Epstein and all the documentary evidence, and
Speaker 2: then think that he was going to be the one
Speaker 2: that finally you know, between the pro how pro Israel
Speaker 2: he is, and his own linkages, Like I never thought
Speaker 2: we were going to see any of this, And it's
Speaker 2: just wild to see cash out there, like.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's just not there.
Speaker 2: And we've determined conclusively he definitely killed himself, but we
Speaker 2: can't you know, we're not going to show you. And
Speaker 2: now the cameras are on whatever. It's wild situation. The
Speaker 2: last piece here is Elon has now deleted his posts
Speaker 2: accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files, and there
Speaker 2: were some other things that he had posted where he
Speaker 2: was saying, I will fully apologize to Trump once he
Speaker 2: fully releases the Epstein files. I think he also deleted
Speaker 2: those ones, tool though double check me on that.
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I don't even understand this behavior. Like,
Speaker 2: once it's out there, it's out there. It's not like
Speaker 2: anyone's gonna forget that he posted this. It's just sort
Speaker 2: of like childlikely go if I delete it now, I
Speaker 2: can take it back, which you can't really take that back.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what's going on with Elon's also
Speaker 2: out tweeting a bunch about what's going on in LA
Speaker 2: in a way that's like very favorable for Trump and
Speaker 2: for Mega and you know, supporting the National Guard being
Speaker 2: brought in whatever. So I don't know if he's trying
Speaker 2: to mend fences. I don't know if that's possible at
Speaker 2: this point, because I don't think you can really come
Speaker 2: back fully from what has been said and done at
Speaker 2: this point. But it is interesting to me as well
Speaker 2: that we'll talk about this in the Theomone segment. Apparently
Speaker 2: Trump advised Jadie Vance to be diplomatic when it comes to.
Speaker 4: Elon very weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, not the way that Trump typically behaves like normally,
Speaker 2: once you cross him, that's.
Speaker 4: It scorched earth, right.
Speaker 2: I expected him to have some story equivalent to the
Speaker 2: remember the whole story tell about like DeSantis coming tears
Speaker 2: in his eyes.
Speaker 1: Begging me.
Speaker 2: I thought we'd have something like that and some like
Speaker 2: elaborate display of humiliation.
Speaker 4: He's been pretty low key.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's because he does hold all the power, you know,
Speaker 2: and can punish him in all of.
Speaker 4: These various ways.
Speaker 2: But it's just interesting to me how differently he's responded
Speaker 2: than what you would normally expect from Trump, where Elon
Speaker 2: has gone fully nuclear and Trump has been like kind
Speaker 2: of conciliatory.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I agree, there are some weird stuff that
Speaker 1: is going on.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 2: We've alluded to this a number of times in the show.
Speaker 2: It's gone break down the news for you kill mar
Speaker 2: Abrego Garcia is coming back to the US. If he's
Speaker 2: not here already, let's go ahead and put this up
Speaker 2: on the screen from Axios Ronley deported kill mar Abrego
Speaker 2: Garcia returning the US to face criminal charges. So he's
Speaker 2: on his way back. According to a newly unsealed indictment.
Speaker 2: His deportation, they say to Al Salvador has been a flashpoint,
Speaker 2: you might say, in President Trump's immigration agenda. That indictment
Speaker 2: alleges that Abrego Garcia, who lives in Maryland, made more
Speaker 2: than one hundred trips transporting undocumented immigrants between Texas and Maryland,
Speaker 2: among other states. According to Attorney General Pam Bondi, siding
Speaker 2: co conspirator's testimony, Abergo Garcia also allegedly abused undocumented immigrant
Speaker 2: women and solicited nude photographs and videos from a minor.
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this indictment up on the screen.
Speaker 2: I did read through it. You know, we'll see what
Speaker 2: evidence they they proffer. But here USA today, says Attorney
Speaker 2: General says kill mar Abrego was part of international smuggling ring.
Speaker 2: This goes back to there was some footage that was
Speaker 2: released of him where he was stopped while he was
Speaker 2: driving and he had a number of people in the car.
Speaker 2: It was a vehicle that had been modified to allow
Speaker 2: more people to be there. He wasn't apprehended or anything
Speaker 2: at the time, but they considered it sort of fishy
Speaker 2: because the people did not seem to have luggage with them.
Speaker 2: I believe he said that he was bringing them to
Speaker 2: a job or something like that. So that's sort of
Speaker 2: the context of what the indictment centers around. We do
Speaker 2: know that there was one prosecutor who was meant to
Speaker 2: be involved with this put D four up on the screen,
Speaker 2: who resigned over the decision to pursue this indictment led
Speaker 2: to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, high ranking federal
Speaker 2: prosecutor in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Shutters.
Speaker 2: Resignation was prompted by concerns the case was being pursued
Speaker 2: for political reasons, according to sources, I can't I think
Speaker 2: this was NBC News that reported this out that I
Speaker 2: can't remember specifically. So anyway, we'll see what happens with
Speaker 2: the charges. We'll see whether they have sufficient evidence to
Speaker 2: actually you find him guilty of these alleged crimes. But
Speaker 2: obviously the fact that they felt after they said absolutely
Speaker 2: no way is this man coming back, that they felt
Speaker 2: enough pressure to bring him home, both from the public
Speaker 2: and from the court system, is quite extraordinary. And so
Speaker 2: now he will go through the court system, he will
Speaker 2: have his due process, a jury of his peers will
Speaker 2: evaluate the evidence against him, and he will have his
Speaker 2: day in court and ultimately soccer.
Speaker 4: That's really all that anyone was asking for.
Speaker 1: I think it's extraordinary that they buckled and they ended
Speaker 1: up bringing back I mean, it is pretty crazy because
Speaker 1: they said he wasn't going to but I mean, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the Supreme Court order was
Speaker 1: pretty unambiguous. They're like, he needs to be returned to
Speaker 1: the United States of America because he was deported in
Speaker 1: violation of this order. I mean, I you know, even
Speaker 1: for me, somebody like me, considering how many twists and
Speaker 1: turns we've had here with Abrego Garcia, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wonder how much of that. I wonder whether he stands
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good chance in court because they have
Speaker 1: alleged all kinds of things, right, I mean, even if
Speaker 1: you look at the original it was like he was
Speaker 1: being deported, he was a member of MS thirteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: like maybe, but then he was a human trafficker, and
Speaker 1: then he was a wife beater. I mean, look, it's complicated, right,
Speaker 1: He's never been accused or whatever of any of these things.
Speaker 1: But this is another step where they're alleging, effectively that
Speaker 1: he's like some master human trafficker, and they had never
Speaker 1: originally said that. Now it's possible that it's true because
Speaker 1: they've probably spent the time since to gather the evidence.
Speaker 1: Maybe they thought it was a pr victory to be
Speaker 1: able to gather you know, use the full force the FBI,
Speaker 1: gather all this evidence. I will say, if he does
Speaker 1: get convicted, this is not going to look good, right,
Speaker 1: and stuff can be in a narrative violation for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's not some Maryland Father or whatever
Speaker 1: that they're trying to use here, But broadly, look, this
Speaker 1: is what I was talking about with la what they
Speaker 1: did with L Salvador, and then eventually the falling apart
Speaker 1: of a lot of the narrative Aroundel Salvador really burned
Speaker 1: of their god and their credibility. I wouldn't say necessarily
Speaker 1: with the public, but definitely the media because at that point, look,
Speaker 1: you had a situation where everybody knew Trump was going
Speaker 1: to pursue deportations, you knew using into some extraordinary action, etc. Etc.
Speaker 1: But with the falling apart of many of the cases,
Speaker 1: and in particular with a lot of the evidentiary you know,
Speaker 1: stuff that they used, and then the eventual defeats over
Speaker 1: and over again at the Supreme Court level for the
Speaker 1: actual process by whichwas was done. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's basically comparable to two thousand and two Guantanamo Bay,
Speaker 1: Like if we really think about it, where anybody who
Speaker 1: was in Afghanistan or anybody who was like that guy's
Speaker 1: a terrorist eventually ended up in Guantanamo. And I mean
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because what some twenty three years
Speaker 1: later you would have thought, especially for an administration that
Speaker 1: kind of prizes itself as being anti the Bush administration
Speaker 1: effectively recreated a lot of stuff. This is something that
Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwall in particular really talked about it, and I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously that's what changed a lot of my thoughts on
Speaker 1: this in particular now since the fallout. But the fact
Speaker 1: that they did have to bring kill Marbray Garcia back
Speaker 1: is evidence that the court matters still. I think public
Speaker 1: pressure media as well. It was undeniable, Like, let's be
Speaker 1: it was genuinely undeniable. It's like, you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: be deported, and he got deported. I mean, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying not supposed to it. I'm saying as illegally
Speaker 1: had a hold on him. He can come back to
Speaker 1: the United States. He will now face a jury in
Speaker 1: a trial. We'll see how it all works out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just broadly, you cannot look at this. They're
Speaker 1: trying to play it as like it's a victory. No,
Speaker 1: this is a massive l for the Trump administration. Like
Speaker 1: you said you weren't going to do it, and you
Speaker 1: brought it back. There's no getting around it. Yeah, period,
Speaker 1: and the story.
Speaker 2: And I want to be really clear about what he's
Speaker 2: actually being charged with in this indictment, which again to
Speaker 2: see the evidence, because lord knows that it's possible they
Speaker 2: gin this up because they needed some sort of pretext
Speaker 2: to make it look like they're not completely full.
Speaker 1: Of That is the benefit of going through the American
Speaker 1: federal system. It's like, look, the federal court is not
Speaker 1: a joke like you. Even if it's a political prosecution,
Speaker 1: you have to produce it.
Speaker 4: They're they're going to have to prove their case.
Speaker 1: You have to produce it. And now, I mean this
Speaker 1: is enough. Look, I mean Abrago Garcia can do what
Speaker 1: he wants, but go to trial because then we will
Speaker 1: all see it. If you just plead guilty, we're not
Speaker 1: going to see any of this. But uh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should go to trial if for a public interest or
Speaker 1: at the very least his defense attorney should release all
Speaker 1: the discovery and all that stuff. Yeah that they have,
Speaker 1: because at this point that is obviously to the public.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they're they're indicting him on conspiracy to unlawfully transport
Speaker 2: illegal aliens for financial gain and unlawful transportation of alien
Speaker 2: legal aliens for financial gains. So basically the core of
Speaker 2: the indictment alleges that he was transporting people that he
Speaker 2: knew to be undocumented between different states. So, you know,
Speaker 2: they this is like, you know, a nitpicky thing. They
Speaker 2: keep calling him a traffick or trafficker is someone who's
Speaker 2: doing this against people's will. There's no allegation here that
Speaker 2: these were people who you know, were being smuggled against
Speaker 2: their will. It's more that he was transporting them and
Speaker 2: knowing that these were undocumented immigrants. That's what the indictment says.
Speaker 2: But the reason I want to clarify by that is
Speaker 2: because Pam Bondy in the news conference about this, made
Speaker 2: all sorts of wild allegations tying him to a murder
Speaker 2: and this and that different thing. Even though none of
Speaker 2: that is in this indictment whatsoever. Again to try to
Speaker 2: project this this you know image like he's some high
Speaker 2: level EMMAS thirteen gang member and you know, going way
Speaker 2: beyond what they were even able to obtain an indictment
Speaker 2: for Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit
Speaker 2: of that press conference and some of the pushbacks she
Speaker 2: got at the end.
Speaker 8: Maybe I misunderstood you, but you were mentioning, you know
Speaker 8: that he had some involvement in these murder you know,
Speaker 8: or was connected to groups that had you know, involved
Speaker 8: with this other smuggling ring. But to be clear, the
Speaker 8: only charges he's facing right now are the like you know,
Speaker 8: human smuggling charges.
Speaker 4: Just this the Yeah, that's the one offense.
Speaker 8: But the other things that you have talked about are
Speaker 8: not actually in the indictment. You know, co conspirators alleged that,
Speaker 8: and we were clear to say that he is charged
Speaker 8: with it's not only very serious charges of alien smuggling.
Speaker 4: So those are the specifics.
Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say saga about this
Speaker 2: is you know you have kilmarbergo Garcia. You also have
Speaker 2: some two hundred plus other people who were shipped to
Speaker 2: SEACOT with zero due process, many of whom we already
Speaker 2: know had zero criminal record. You know, according to the
Speaker 2: analysis that's done by multiple news organizations, the vast majority
Speaker 2: of them did not have criminal records, either here or abroad.
Speaker 2: They searched the databases of a number of countries, and
Speaker 2: you know, there's an effort in the courts. There was
Speaker 2: a ruling actually from the judge here in DC, Judge Bosberg,
Speaker 2: to say, you've got to give them a chance to also,
Speaker 2: you know, like file a haeas rid of habeas corpus.
Speaker 2: They have to be able to challenge their detention as well.
Speaker 2: They have to be able to get some sort of
Speaker 2: due process. Supreme Court has said they were entitled that
Speaker 2: and they did not receive it. So the other thing
Speaker 2: that I think is significant here is kind of a
Speaker 2: crack in the foundation because previously it was just like
Speaker 2: once you're gone, you're gone, and that's it, and we're
Speaker 2: not doing nothing about it. So the fact that they
Speaker 2: did and are bringing this one person back, I think
Speaker 2: also opens up a crack in terms of the narrative here.
Speaker 2: And then the last thing we mentioned a couple of times,
Speaker 2: just so you can see for yourself, they were adamant.
Speaker 2: There is no way, under no circumstance is Abrego Garcia
Speaker 2: coming home. Here is Secretary Christy No, I'm saying exactly that.
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: Should never have been in this country and will not
Speaker 7: be coming back to this country. There is no scenario
Speaker 7: where Abrego Garcia will be in the United States again.
Speaker 7: If he were to come back, we would immediately deport
Speaker 7: him again because he is a terrorist, he's a human smuggler,
Speaker 7: and he is a wife beater.
Speaker 2: There is no scenario where he will be coming back
Speaker 2: to this country.
Speaker 4: Guess what. Here we are a few weeks later and
Speaker 4: he is coming back.
Speaker 1: It is nuts. I mean it's literally Gitmo, right, we
Speaker 1: went worst of the worst. How many what percent of
Speaker 1: people have been released from Guantanamo? I forget, It's like
Speaker 1: probably seventy or eighty percent. They're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: p prosecute them, and then they're like, oh, actually we
Speaker 1: have to drop all the charges because there was torture
Speaker 1: involved here, and actually we can't prove a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff. I agree. I mean, this is basically, if
Speaker 1: we're following the same playbook, we have two, then by
Speaker 1: three you start to see some releases and some legal
Speaker 1: justification and eventually the bar cracks in the legal system
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I think it's hom dv. Rumsfeld.
Speaker 1: We're about hot Habeas corpus now that they don't even
Speaker 1: need to go through all of that, right because that's
Speaker 1: already here law of the land. There's going to be
Speaker 1: some legal process. The fact that you haven't had some
Speaker 1: sort of seacot level removal since that time, has, you know,
Speaker 1: is obviously also evidence of what's happening. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I know there's been some I forget I was vaguely
Speaker 1: aware what was it Djibouti or something like they were
Speaker 1: sent South Sudan or something, but I think it's not
Speaker 1: the same. But especially egally, you can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, they're taking a lot of problems in the
Speaker 1: in the court system, and I think that that's that
Speaker 1: this is part of what you will eventually see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so extraordinary development all the way around. So listen, guys,
Speaker 2: we'd planned to talk about the ohon, but we've got
Speaker 2: our guests to reading. We have the spokesperson from that
Speaker 2: Gaza Aid flotilla who we really want to talk to,
Speaker 2: so I'll let the bros handle.
Speaker 4: The broke well, I was it's appropriate.
Speaker 2: I'll exempt myself from that conversation.
Speaker 1: So I think THEO gets unfairly lumped into the manosphere.
Speaker 1: I think he's actually very funny, Like not.
Speaker 4: Even in a broke He's not funny, no, but but.
Speaker 1: I'm saying the New York Times people kind of put
Speaker 1: him in a manosphere. He's not like a creatine body.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, Like, to me, Rogan
Speaker 1: is much more like of a bro just in terms
Speaker 1: of his life and like kind of the podcast and UFC.
Speaker 1: But and I know THEO attends all of that, but like,
Speaker 1: I actually think he's a very funny person who does
Speaker 1: not rely on like bro comedy. Genuinely.
Speaker 2: I don't really consume this content outside of the things
Speaker 2: that are political.
Speaker 1: And I would tell you I think you would like
Speaker 1: his out of all of the major ones, this is
Speaker 1: probably the least political to me. He only goes viral for.
Speaker 2: But I'm not interested anything that's not I'm telling it's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Timothy Shallowman his podcast, they actually a good conversation.
Speaker 2: How would you compare him with with Tim Dillon?
Speaker 1: I think Tim is a lot I mean Tim is
Speaker 1: a very tim Is to me is more of like
Speaker 1: a George Carlin esque figure, like intellectual. Well, he's a
Speaker 1: very He is political in that I've seen his stand
Speaker 1: up and actually was surprised when the first time I
Speaker 1: saw his whole set it was not nearly as political
Speaker 1: as a lot of his podcasts. But he is like
Speaker 1: carl And esque, and he likes to point out the
Speaker 1: absurdity of a lot of politicians and a lot of
Speaker 1: like public facing media. I have not ever seen THEO
Speaker 1: any of his stand up, like live or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I would be willing to gas just based on
Speaker 1: his podcast and all that. It's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of like a societal observation. So yeah, Anyway, I think
Speaker 1: out of all of the so called bro podcasters, I
Speaker 1: actually think he's the least political in terms of his
Speaker 1: as normal content. He does have a lot of politicians on,
Speaker 1: but I don't I think it's noteworthy if we remember
Speaker 1: when Trump came on, that's when THEO was talking about
Speaker 1: like being a drug addict.
Speaker 4: And and that's really more of his thing.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: He has on like therapists and yes, actually on some
Speaker 1: pretty interesting people. I think he has some good guests
Speaker 1: theil keep it up now, all right here, I actually
Speaker 1: think you're very good at weading.
Speaker 2: All right, All that being said, that combo will happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the latest with this
Speaker 2: Gaza AID flotilla. So we have some pretty dire updates
Speaker 2: coming from that Gaza Aid Freedom flotilla that was attempting
Speaker 2: to break the siege in Gaza. All the members of
Speaker 2: that AID group, including Greta Tundberg, have been arrested by
Speaker 2: the IDF and are now being held in Israeli prisons.
Speaker 2: So in order to give us an update, we're really
Speaker 2: fortunate to be joined this morning by Huita Eira. She's
Speaker 2: actually the spokesperson for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. She also
Speaker 2: is a human rights attorney, and she joins us. Now welcome,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yes, of course. So let's go ahead and
Speaker 2: start with some of the images that we were receiving
Speaker 2: from the ship yesterday.
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and play. I'm going to show you.
Speaker 2: A video of quad copters that initially intercepted the ship
Speaker 2: and dropped a strange subject substance on board, so people
Speaker 2: can see what was going on here.
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at that.
Speaker 6: Okay, we have we are masking our face right now.
Speaker 6: We are cut coutures right above our heads, the most
Speaker 6: dangerous ones, and they are they are I don't know
Speaker 6: what this is. You don't know what pains are. Some chemicalology,
Speaker 6: no idea, but please send the alarm. They say that
Speaker 6: they want to intercept them in a very calm way.
Speaker 6: But we know what's happening. There is another war crime
Speaker 6: about to happen. We will keep you updated. Please put
Speaker 6: pressure on the government. Tell them that we are here
Speaker 6: because they are aiding and abetting this genocide. They are
Speaker 6: upholding a legal blockade. They're using starvation as a weapon
Speaker 6: of war. This cannot go on.
Speaker 4: You cannot live in a future like this.
Speaker 6: You need to do everything in your power and your power,
Speaker 6: use your bodies, use your horses. Amplified the voice of Palestinians,
Speaker 6: and do tell them that.
Speaker 9: We are here because they're not doing their jobs.
Speaker 4: Pawita, what do we know about what has happened?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Crystal, those images that you just showed were some
Speaker 5: of the final images and sounds that we had from
Speaker 5: our colleagues aboard the Madeleine. It was well in international waters,
Speaker 5: some one hundred and ten miles still outside of Palestinian
Speaker 5: territorial waters where they were headed to Gaza. Shortly after,
Speaker 5: we saw lights from Israeli commandos and the boat was hit,
Speaker 5: and then the communication was cut off and we have
Speaker 5: not heard from them. Since it has been over thirteen hours.
Speaker 5: We have not heard from them. We hear the Israeli
Speaker 5: government saying that they are being brought to the Israeli
Speaker 5: port of Ashtud. We need to stress that they are
Speaker 5: being taken against their will. They have been abducted unlawfully
Speaker 5: from international waters and are being taken against their will
Speaker 5: to the Israeli port of Ashtud, where the Israeli government
Speaker 5: will presumably process them. We hope that they do not
Speaker 5: further abuse them. And we continue to call on all governments,
Speaker 5: but especially the governments of these states, to sanction Israel
Speaker 5: because it continues to commit these blatant violations of international
Speaker 5: law aggression. We see what's happening in Gaza. Why we
Speaker 5: were at sea is because of our government in action
Speaker 5: as to what is happening to Palestinian people in Gaza,
Speaker 5: and it is enough silence. Israel has no legal authority
Speaker 5: to intercept a peaceful vessel. Sailing from international waters into
Speaker 5: Palestinian territorial waters.
Speaker 4: It says it.
Speaker 5: Had to uphold or defend its maritime closure of Gaza.
Speaker 5: It has no authority to enforce an unlawful blockade that
Speaker 5: is designed to starve a civilian population, and there is
Speaker 5: no security threat from a sailboat that is carrying twelve
Speaker 5: civilians and baby formula for babies who are being starved
Speaker 5: to death. So our governments need to stop accepting these
Speaker 5: abuses and pretexts from Israel as it continues to trample
Speaker 5: all over international law and genocide a people while they're at.
Speaker 1: It, Hueita, can you tell us about that seizure in
Speaker 1: international water? So this was one where the flotilla was
Speaker 1: actually outside of any recognized territory. What was the justification
Speaker 1: that was given to the flotilla for this arrest? And
Speaker 1: have you been notified yet if they're going to face
Speaker 1: prosecution and detention inside of Israel for this?
Speaker 5: Thank you for that question because it is so important.
Speaker 5: Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas,
Speaker 5: there is freedom of navigation on the high seas. This ship,
Speaker 5: the Madlin, was unarmed, carrying twelve civilians, including a member
Speaker 5: of the European Parliament, including a doctor and journalists and
Speaker 5: human rights advocates, and it was carrying humanitarian aid for
Speaker 5: eight people under siege. It constituted no threat. Israel had
Speaker 5: no authority to intercept it, nor to use violence to
Speaker 5: intercept it, certainly not on the high seas, but even
Speaker 5: if it had reached Palestinian territorial waters, because the International
Speaker 5: Court of Justice last year advised US that Israel's occupation,
Speaker 5: its presence in all of the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful,
Speaker 5: and governments have an obligation not to recognize the illegal
Speaker 5: situation that Israel has created, and have a further obligation
Speaker 5: to do as much as they can everything they can
Speaker 5: to end this illegal situation. And on top of that,
Speaker 5: Israel is instituting this comprehensive blockade that is designed to
Speaker 5: starve an entire civilian population.
Speaker 4: That is a war crime, and it is not new.
Speaker 5: We're seeing the dramatic effects of it now, of denying
Speaker 5: everything food, water, aid, medicine to a people who have
Speaker 5: been bombarded for nearly two years. We are seeing emaciated children.
Speaker 5: We are hearing reports of accountless babies who have already
Speaker 5: died of starvation, all of this being done before the
Speaker 5: eyes of the world, while our governments do nothing or
Speaker 5: are actively complicit. So it is important to stress that
Speaker 5: no government has the authority to enforce an illegal blockade,
Speaker 5: and that is exactly what this is. Israel says it's
Speaker 5: a lawful maritime closure. It is absolutely not, and no
Speaker 5: serious legal authority will tell you that this is a
Speaker 5: lawful maritime closure. And we were not even close to
Speaker 5: that border. It went out into well into international waters,
Speaker 5: over about one hundred miles from Palestinian territorial waters, which
Speaker 5: is not too much different from what it did. Just
Speaker 5: a month ago. We had another ship that was going
Speaker 5: to head towards Goza carrying humanitarian aid. That ship was
Speaker 5: named the Conscience and it was right outside of Malta
Speaker 5: and in European waters, some two thousand miles from Israeli
Speaker 5: territorial waters, and Israel sent its drones to bomb that ship.
Speaker 5: And so Israel is using this kind of unjustified force
Speaker 5: against civilian objects, against humanitarian aid workers, all to stop
Speaker 5: people from trying to get to Gaza again, an unlawful blockade.
Speaker 5: The Freedom Flotilla coalition is trying to break it, but
Speaker 5: our governments should be doing the same, and if they don't,
Speaker 5: we invite people all over the world to join us
Speaker 5: for the next book we're going to send.
Speaker 4: Because we can't stop.
Speaker 2: To that point, Grata and others on board release pre
Speaker 2: recorded videos calling on people to pressure their governments. Let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to a little bit
Speaker 2: of what they had to say.
Speaker 9: My name is Grifatimba and I am from Sweden.
Speaker 1: If you see this video, we.
Speaker 9: Have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the
Speaker 9: Israeli occupational forces or forces that support israel I. Urge
Speaker 9: all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on
Speaker 9: the Swedish government to release me and the others as
Speaker 9: soon as possible.
Speaker 10: So my name is river Sea, I'm from friends. If
Speaker 10: you see this video, it means that we got intercepted
Speaker 10: by the Israelis forces or complicits and we made maybe
Speaker 10: in a very bad situation now. So I do ask
Speaker 10: our comrades, our family friends to please share this video
Speaker 10: and put pressure on the French government so that we
Speaker 10: could be with my friends released and also of course
Speaker 10: that this genocide ends.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I had two questions for you first, following up on
Speaker 2: what Grata was saying there, what are you calling on
Speaker 2: people around the world to do to support these activists
Speaker 2: and their work? And also I saw reports that there
Speaker 2: may have been coordination with some other attempts to break
Speaker 2: the siege, So what happens next?
Speaker 5: Yes, we recorded those videos because we anticipated this kind
Speaker 5: of violent interception by Israeli forces. They have attacked us before,
Speaker 5: They have seriously injured and even killed our volunteers before,
Speaker 5: most notably in twenty ten a flutilla that I was
Speaker 5: on is Real violently rated that one and killed ten
Speaker 5: of our volunteers, And so we pre recorded these and
Speaker 5: put this out as soon as we lost connection with them.
Speaker 5: We are asking people all over the world to call
Speaker 5: on the government of these countries to put pressure on
Speaker 5: Israel to release them immediately, to guarantee their safety, and also,
Speaker 5: as you heard Revase at the end, also to undertake
Speaker 5: their obligations under international law to stop this genocide. Because
Speaker 5: the very reason that we have these twelve international civilians,
Speaker 5: our colleagues now abducted by Israeli forces is because they
Speaker 5: had to be at sea doing what our governments should
Speaker 5: be doing. And I want to stress that these twelve
Speaker 5: are now abducted or disappeared. We haven't heard from them
Speaker 5: in nearly fourteen hours.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: Thousands to thousands of Palestinians. Ten thousand Palestinians are also
Speaker 5: disappeared and are in Israeli dungeons. But we know that
Speaker 5: because of the privilege of the passports of the internationals,
Speaker 5: and because the eyes of the world are on them,
Speaker 5: and because we have thousands, tens of thousands of people
Speaker 5: mobilizing to put on these pressures, we know that they
Speaker 5: have more safety than the thousands of Palestinians and the
Speaker 5: two million Palestinians in Gaza. No government to speak up
Speaker 5: for them and protect them. So we are asking people
Speaker 5: to put this pressure to ensure the safety of these civilians.
Speaker 5: But also we need to keep pressure and remember why
Speaker 5: we're doing this, and that is to stop the genocide
Speaker 5: and protect the people of Gaza, and that requires governments
Speaker 5: upholding their obligations under international law. And so I mentioned
Speaker 5: that they're attack us now, but we're not going to stop.
Speaker 5: So we will be organizing to send another mission as
Speaker 5: soon as we can. We invite organizations, people and institutions
Speaker 5: that have more resources than we do to also mobilize
Speaker 5: boats and come with us, but we are also in
Speaker 5: coordination with other civil society initiatives that are aiming to
Speaker 5: break the blockade in other ways. Today June ninth, a
Speaker 5: land convoy left from Tunisia and it's making its way
Speaker 5: through Libya to Egypt and hopefully on its way to Gaza.
Speaker 5: And in just a few days thousands of people will
Speaker 5: be coming flying into Cairo from around the world and
Speaker 5: attempting to march to Rafa, the border of Gaza with Egypt,
Speaker 5: and demand that they be let through, because we have
Speaker 5: a situation where Israel has turned Gaza into a death
Speaker 5: camp and we have to do everything we can to
Speaker 5: break down these walls, to break the siege in any
Speaker 5: way we can, and that is civilian, nonviolent direct action,
Speaker 5: but also the pressure of people all over the world
Speaker 5: calling on our governments to also sanction Israel and hold
Speaker 5: it responsible for what it has been doing and continues
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: Huita, thank you so much for joining us this morning.
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me. Thank you it's our pleasure.
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