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We had the original release of the Epstein 18 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: files to a bunch of influencers, even though there was 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: no new information in there, and in fact, there was 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: publica avelent information that was redacted in the so called 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Epstein files. The release of that was certainly a botched one. 22 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: But more recently, the appearance of Cash Battel, the FBI 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: director on Joe Rogan's podcast has just been nothing short 24 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: of insane because Cash Battel, now that he is the 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: FBI director, is directly contradicting many of the things that 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: he himself said only just two years ago about the 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: circumstances of the Jeffrey Epstein case. This surrounds of multiple things. Okay, 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: so number one starts with Jeffrey Epstein himself and the 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: so called suicide, where we were told a couple of things. 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: We were told the camera was off. We were told 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: as well that there's dreams of information and hours of 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: footage that was seized by the FBI in the initial 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: rate of the Epstein mansion that has been held by 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: the FBI, the infamous Black Book, and so many of 35 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: the others that the FBI had and had not yet 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: been released to the public. And yet now we are 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: told by Cash Pattel a couple of things. They say 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: that the camera allegedly was on this whole time. By 39 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: the way, we were not told that that's actually the 40 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: opposite of the original story. For the way this so 41 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: called suicide went down. We're told by the top levels 42 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: of the FBI that actually Epstein did kill himself. After all, 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: there hundred percent certain. They can't release WHL file to 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: dos because we're not allowed to know as the public. 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: And we're also not going to see any of the 46 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: footage that was seized by the FBI because they don't 47 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: want to revictimize women. So let's take a listen to 48 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Cash Betel and today's Cash Betel. Why 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: is the FBI protecting the greatest pederist, the largest scale 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: pederist in human history. 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: Simple because of who's on that list. You don't think 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress. We're night and day 53 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: to prevent the disclosure of that list. And why is 54 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: it that the Senate? 55 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: You know? 56 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: And good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out. 57 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: But then Dick Turbin comes over the top and says, no, 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: we're not going to release the names. I don't care 59 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: about the list itself, but if released the names, right 60 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: and I've said it, Dan Bongino said it. We've reviewed 61 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: all the information and the American public is going to 62 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: get as much as we can release. 63 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: He killed himself. 64 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: Do you think let's play out the logical conclusion of this. 65 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: Do you think that myself Bongino and others would participate 66 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: pay in hiding information about Epstein's grow test activities, or 67 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting 68 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: people we had evidence to prosecute people on where's the 69 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 3: videotape of Anifstein Island of X, Y and Z committing 70 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do 71 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: you really think I wouldn't give that to you if 72 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: it existed. 73 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: No, It's like, do you I think you would participate 74 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: in a cover up if you're at the top level 75 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: of a FBI and subject to a massive blackmail machine 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: at the top of an international intelligence apparatus. Yeah, I 77 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: do think that, and in fact, because all of history 78 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: ve indicates that, looking at literally the history of the FBI. 79 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: But broadly, I mean, we can just compare all of 80 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the same things that they said to what they're now saying. 81 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the craziest thing he's saying is that we 82 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: were not going to re victimize women. And I understand 83 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: the I would understand if we're saying that in six 84 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: now we have what we have technology to be able 85 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: to I mean, listen murder and other images which are 86 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: ghastly and devastating or released to the public. All the time. 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: They redact images, you know, for example of like actual victims, 88 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: but very often, especially in fact, in cases like this, 89 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: they will make sure to protect the child, underage women 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: or the victim's identity, while at the same time releasing 91 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: footage of the perpetrators. Remember, we still to this date 92 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: do not have an accurate accounting of the island, of 93 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the files and everything that went on inside of that mansion, 94 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: so called hidden cameras. And I know all of this 95 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: quote sounds crazy, but like this is documented fact at 96 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: this point. So here we have cash Patel saying he 97 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: won't revictimize women, but most importantly saying that the cameras 98 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: were on in the Epstein prison. Again, that is a 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: direct lie then told previously by the Bureau of Prisons 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: and by the Trump administration the initial time around itself. 101 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, what about the video from the island. 102 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: Oh that's sorry, So you're talking about t yeah so sorry, 103 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: so yeah, so again, We're going to give you everything 104 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: we can, and people have to remember, we're not going 105 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: to revictimize women. We're not going to put that shit 106 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 3: back out there. It's not happening because then he wins 107 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: not doing it. You want to hate me for it? 108 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: Fine again, logical playout. If there was a video of 109 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and 110 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see. 111 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: It if you have access to it, If. 112 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: I have it, period, If I have it, If I 113 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: have it, so where else would it be right? 114 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: If you have it? 115 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 5: Right? 116 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: But you can't say that. 117 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: You have it. 118 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: No, we're giving you everything we have so far. Everything 119 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: we have so far is. 120 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: Have you guys gone over all the video that's available. 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. That's what takes so 122 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: much damn time. But the problem is there's been like 123 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: fifteen years of people coming in and creating fictions about 124 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of Anne, of 125 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: X Y and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you 126 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't 127 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: give that to you if it existed. I'm working my 128 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: ass off, along with the leadership at the Bureau DJ 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: to get you what we're allowed to give you. And 130 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: you're gonna get the video of the cell and you're 131 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: gonna see for yourself. And we will never be able 132 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: to convince everyone. 133 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 6: What you know. 134 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: It's like, don't you think I would give that to you? 135 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: No, actually, because you're not at the video, we're gonna 136 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: see her. 137 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: He said the camera was on. That's literally not what 138 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: we were told. So the camera was off and the 139 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: guards were sleeping, And like, oh yeah, okay, I think 140 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: sham bonding. 141 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: This administration said that, didn't she Well. 142 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: She said that they had been reviewing hours of video. 143 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: We can actually we may even have that. I'm not sure. No, 144 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: we don't have it today. But she previously had said 145 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: that we are reviewing thousands of hours of video, and 146 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: now they're like, well, actually, we can't release any of 147 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: that video to the public. 148 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: Also, there's not the video you want. And also we 149 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 2: have definitive proof, even though we didn't before. 150 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: Look, there's a easy way to solve all of this. 151 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Release it all to the public. Okay, you can easily 152 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: release all of this to the American public. We will 153 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: make up our minds for ourselves, and you can do 154 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: that while being sensitive to the victims. I also would 155 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: honestly like to have a poll and a survey of 156 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: the all the Epstein victims and ask them, Hey, is 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: it okay for us to be able to see this 158 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: is while we do all the sensitive work of making 159 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: sure we redact you and privately and keep your privacy. 160 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I guarantee you these people would be willing to have 161 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: it out in the public because they were horribly victimized 162 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: and they want their you know, the people who took 163 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: advantage of them to be held accountable to the public. 164 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: And this also is where the Elon you know tie 165 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: incomes where Elon claimed that it was that Trump himself 166 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: was implicated in the Epstein files, and that's part of 167 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: the reason why that Trump has not released them yet 168 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: to date. So pretty extraordinary accusation. 169 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: Before we play what Trumps because every time Trump gets 170 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: asked about this, he gets real squirrely. Right, going back 171 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: to his first administration, when we got asked about Gleine Maxwell. 172 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I say the infamous I wish well, I wish her 173 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: well well. 174 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: Epstein said that Trump was his Bessie for ten years. 175 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: Whether that is fully accurate or not, we know they 176 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: were friends, We have video and pictures on them together. 177 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: We know Trump was on the plane seven times according 178 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: to the flight logs. We know Trump in an interview 179 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he likes him young, So like one 180 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: hundred percent Trump is quote unquote in the Epstein files. 181 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: You know what all that entails is another matter. But yeah, 182 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: I mean this is why it's always been so funny. 183 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: The right had a deep interest in this. 184 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: I think there's good reason to have a deep interest 185 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: in it, especially in particular how it ties into all 186 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: of these wealthy and powerful people and potential you know, 187 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: Israeli Masad activities as well. Yeah, and that's and that's 188 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: the other reason why very likely the government doesn't want 189 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: to release everything that's available, because that will be abundantly 190 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: clear that he, you know, was an intelligence asseid maybe 191 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: potentially for the lawyers whatever. But but you've got those 192 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: two things. You've got this very pro Israel administration. You 193 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: have a guy who spent years entangled with this man, 194 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: and you think you're going to get all the goods 195 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: on him, even though repeatedly when Trump. 196 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: Gets asked about this, he dodges. And so let's go. 197 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: Ahead and play this video of him getting asked on 198 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: Fox News. And this was crazy too. So Fox News 199 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: in the run into the election, they asked him like, 200 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: what about UFOs, what about JFK and. 201 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: He's like, yes, release it, Yes, release it. 202 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: And they're like what about Epstein And he's like yeah, 203 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 2: well and they edited it originally to cut down all 204 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: the rest of the like, well, no, I probably actually 205 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: won't do that, and there's some problems et cetera. To 206 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: make it sound like he was like, yes, we're going 207 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: to release it. Let's go ahead and take a listen 208 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: to the unedited version of what he actually said in 209 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: that Fox News interview. 210 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 4: Would you declassify the nine to eleven files? 211 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 212 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: Would you declassified JFK files? 213 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Would? I did a lot of it. 214 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 4: Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would. 215 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 6: I guess I would. 216 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: I think that less so because you know, you don't 217 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: know if you don't want to affect people's lives if 218 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of 219 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: phony stuff with that whole world. 220 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: But I think I. 221 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: Would, So different than just an affirmative yes any Always 222 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: every time he gets asked about it, it's something similar like, hell, 223 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm worried about their privacy and people are involved, et cetera. 224 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, h people are involved. 225 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, no matter who is president, just really 226 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: at this point, you know, we all genuinely do deserve 227 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: to know. I mean I think there I actually genuinely 228 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: believe that it's not Trump which is holding all of 229 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: this up. I think it's Israel. I think it's mos Odd. 230 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I think it's very obvious considering the original comments by 231 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: alex Acosta and by the initial prosecutors quote intelligence was involved. 232 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a direct quote. You can go 233 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: and read it for yourself if you want to. Back 234 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen. I think that's the only reason that 235 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: we don't know. In a sense, we don't even you know, 236 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: like without the files, we know everything that we need 237 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: to know. Israeli agent. We're gathering intelligence on all of 238 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the highest levels of American society. For what purpose you 239 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: can only guess. And that's another thing. People are like, well, 240 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: how do they use this information? I don't think people 241 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: understand how intelligence gathering works. The whole point is that 242 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: you gather it so that you may have to use 243 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: it in the future in case you need to aid Barock, 244 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Israel literally spending multiple nights week 245 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: at his mansion. Okay, this is These are documented facts, 246 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: like using his money to invest with all of the 247 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: world's billionaires from Peter Teel which has when more recently 248 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: revealed to Leon Black at the Apollo. I'm not even 249 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: worried about people suing me. This is fact, like, literally 250 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: had to resign from his company. One of the most 251 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: private or one of the most powerful billionaires in the 252 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: world had to resign from his company because of his 253 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: what was it two hundred million dollar payment via his 254 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: private jet LLC that was being paid by or being 255 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: paid to Jeffrey Epstein over one hundred and fifty million. Yeah, 256 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: definitely for jet maintenance. I'm sure that's what it was 257 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: all about. Bill Gates and the Nobel p I mean, 258 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: this is obvious. 259 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: And then Peter Teel piece is the is the new, Yes, 260 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 4: brand new. 261 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: He had a lot of money, and there he had 262 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of money I think in one of his 263 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: funds it's apparently now yielding incredible results to the Jeffrey 264 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: Epstein estate. The point is just that the money was 265 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: a tool obviously. Also, yeah, Leslie Wexner, who I think 266 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: is still alive to this day, who just miraculously gifted 267 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: him all this money for no apparent reason or any 268 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: of that whatsoever. This is obvious and like, I know 269 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like eyes wide shut, but it's all real, 270 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: Like this is documented, it is, it exists, you know, 271 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: President or Bill Clinton on the plane multiple times, Junior 272 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: by his own admission, on the flame a couple of times. 273 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's the part I don't get either. When 274 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: you're filthy rich, why are we accepting gifts like this 275 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: from you know, questionable people. Do you have the money 276 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: just fly yourself? I don't get it. Yeah, I see 277 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: YouTube posts, don't act. 278 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: Always wanted to ignore his ties and how closely linked 279 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: he was with Epstein and all the documentary evidence, and 280 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: then think that he was going to be the one 281 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: that finally you know, between the pro how pro Israel 282 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: he is, and his own linkages, Like I never thought 283 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: we were going to see any of this, And it's 284 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: just wild to see cash out there, like. 285 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's just not there. 286 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: And we've determined conclusively he definitely killed himself, but we 287 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: can't you know, we're not going to show you. And 288 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: now the cameras are on whatever. It's wild situation. The 289 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: last piece here is Elon has now deleted his posts 290 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files, and there 291 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: were some other things that he had posted where he 292 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: was saying, I will fully apologize to Trump once he 293 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: fully releases the Epstein files. I think he also deleted 294 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: those ones, tool though double check me on that. 295 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but. 296 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I don't even understand this behavior. Like, 297 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: once it's out there, it's out there. It's not like 298 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: anyone's gonna forget that he posted this. It's just sort 299 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: of like childlikely go if I delete it now, I 300 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: can take it back, which you can't really take that back. 301 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: But I don't know what's going on with Elon's also 302 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: out tweeting a bunch about what's going on in LA 303 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: in a way that's like very favorable for Trump and 304 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: for Mega and you know, supporting the National Guard being 305 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: brought in whatever. So I don't know if he's trying 306 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: to mend fences. I don't know if that's possible at 307 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 2: this point, because I don't think you can really come 308 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: back fully from what has been said and done at 309 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: this point. But it is interesting to me as well 310 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: that we'll talk about this in the Theomone segment. Apparently 311 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: Trump advised Jadie Vance to be diplomatic when it comes to. 312 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 4: Elon very weird. 313 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: I mean, not the way that Trump typically behaves like normally, 314 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: once you cross him, that's. 315 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: It scorched earth, right. 316 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: I expected him to have some story equivalent to the 317 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: remember the whole story tell about like DeSantis coming tears 318 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: in his eyes. 319 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Begging me. 320 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: I thought we'd have something like that and some like 321 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: elaborate display of humiliation. 322 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: He's been pretty low key. 323 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: Maybe it's because he does hold all the power, you know, 324 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: and can punish him in all of. 325 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 4: These various ways. 326 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: But it's just interesting to me how differently he's responded 327 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: than what you would normally expect from Trump, where Elon 328 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: has gone fully nuclear and Trump has been like kind 329 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: of conciliatory. 330 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I agree, there are some weird stuff that 331 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: is going on. 332 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 7: All right. 333 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: We've alluded to this a number of times in the show. 334 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: It's gone break down the news for you kill mar 335 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: Abrego Garcia is coming back to the US. If he's 336 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: not here already, let's go ahead and put this up 337 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: on the screen from Axios Ronley deported kill mar Abrego 338 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: Garcia returning the US to face criminal charges. So he's 339 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 2: on his way back. According to a newly unsealed indictment. 340 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: His deportation, they say to Al Salvador has been a flashpoint, 341 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: you might say, in President Trump's immigration agenda. That indictment 342 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: alleges that Abrego Garcia, who lives in Maryland, made more 343 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: than one hundred trips transporting undocumented immigrants between Texas and Maryland, 344 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: among other states. According to Attorney General Pam Bondi, siding 345 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: co conspirator's testimony, Abergo Garcia also allegedly abused undocumented immigrant 346 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: women and solicited nude photographs and videos from a minor. 347 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: Let's go and put this indictment up on the screen. 348 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: I did read through it. You know, we'll see what 349 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: evidence they they proffer. But here USA today, says Attorney 350 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: General says kill mar Abrego was part of international smuggling ring. 351 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: This goes back to there was some footage that was 352 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: released of him where he was stopped while he was 353 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: driving and he had a number of people in the car. 354 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: It was a vehicle that had been modified to allow 355 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: more people to be there. He wasn't apprehended or anything 356 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: at the time, but they considered it sort of fishy 357 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: because the people did not seem to have luggage with them. 358 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: I believe he said that he was bringing them to 359 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: a job or something like that. So that's sort of 360 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: the context of what the indictment centers around. We do 361 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: know that there was one prosecutor who was meant to 362 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: be involved with this put D four up on the screen, 363 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: who resigned over the decision to pursue this indictment led 364 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, high ranking federal 365 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: prosecutor in Tennessee. 366 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Shutters. 367 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: Resignation was prompted by concerns the case was being pursued 368 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: for political reasons, according to sources, I can't I think 369 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: this was NBC News that reported this out that I 370 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: can't remember specifically. So anyway, we'll see what happens with 371 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: the charges. We'll see whether they have sufficient evidence to 372 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: actually you find him guilty of these alleged crimes. But 373 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: obviously the fact that they felt after they said absolutely 374 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: no way is this man coming back, that they felt 375 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: enough pressure to bring him home, both from the public 376 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: and from the court system, is quite extraordinary. And so 377 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: now he will go through the court system, he will 378 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: have his due process, a jury of his peers will 379 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: evaluate the evidence against him, and he will have his 380 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: day in court and ultimately soccer. 381 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 4: That's really all that anyone was asking for. 382 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it's extraordinary that they buckled and they ended 383 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: up bringing back I mean, it is pretty crazy because 384 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: they said he wasn't going to but I mean, at 385 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the Supreme Court order was 386 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: pretty unambiguous. They're like, he needs to be returned to 387 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: the United States of America because he was deported in 388 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: violation of this order. I mean, I you know, even 389 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: for me, somebody like me, considering how many twists and 390 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: turns we've had here with Abrego Garcia, I'm like, I 391 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: wonder how much of that. I wonder whether he stands 392 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: a pretty damn good chance in court because they have 393 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: alleged all kinds of things, right, I mean, even if 394 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: you look at the original it was like he was 395 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: being deported, he was a member of MS thirteen. I mean, 396 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: like maybe, but then he was a human trafficker, and 397 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: then he was a wife beater. I mean, look, it's complicated, right, 398 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: He's never been accused or whatever of any of these things. 399 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: But this is another step where they're alleging, effectively that 400 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: he's like some master human trafficker, and they had never 401 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: originally said that. Now it's possible that it's true because 402 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: they've probably spent the time since to gather the evidence. 403 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: Maybe they thought it was a pr victory to be 404 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: able to gather you know, use the full force the FBI, 405 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: gather all this evidence. I will say, if he does 406 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: get convicted, this is not going to look good, right, 407 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: and stuff can be in a narrative violation for a 408 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of people. It's not some Maryland Father or whatever 409 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: that they're trying to use here, But broadly, look, this 410 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: is what I was talking about with la what they 411 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: did with L Salvador, and then eventually the falling apart 412 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of the narrative Aroundel Salvador really burned 413 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: of their god and their credibility. I wouldn't say necessarily 414 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: with the public, but definitely the media because at that point, look, 415 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: you had a situation where everybody knew Trump was going 416 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: to pursue deportations, you knew using into some extraordinary action, etc. Etc. 417 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: But with the falling apart of many of the cases, 418 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: and in particular with a lot of the evidentiary you know, 419 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: stuff that they used, and then the eventual defeats over 420 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: and over again at the Supreme Court level for the 421 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: actual process by whichwas was done. I mean, I think 422 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: it's basically comparable to two thousand and two Guantanamo Bay, 423 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Like if we really think about it, where anybody who 424 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: was in Afghanistan or anybody who was like that guy's 425 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: a terrorist eventually ended up in Guantanamo. And I mean 426 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because what some twenty three years 427 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: later you would have thought, especially for an administration that 428 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of prizes itself as being anti the Bush administration 429 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: effectively recreated a lot of stuff. This is something that 430 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwall in particular really talked about it, and I mean, 431 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: obviously that's what changed a lot of my thoughts on 432 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: this in particular now since the fallout. But the fact 433 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: that they did have to bring kill Marbray Garcia back 434 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: is evidence that the court matters still. I think public 435 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: pressure media as well. It was undeniable, Like, let's be 436 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: it was genuinely undeniable. It's like, you're not supposed to 437 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: be deported, and he got deported. I mean, and I'm 438 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: not saying not supposed to it. I'm saying as illegally 439 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: had a hold on him. He can come back to 440 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: the United States. He will now face a jury in 441 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: a trial. We'll see how it all works out. Yeah, 442 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, just broadly, you cannot look at this. They're 443 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: trying to play it as like it's a victory. No, 444 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: this is a massive l for the Trump administration. Like 445 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: you said you weren't going to do it, and you 446 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: brought it back. There's no getting around it. Yeah, period, 447 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: and the story. 448 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: And I want to be really clear about what he's 449 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 2: actually being charged with in this indictment, which again to 450 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: see the evidence, because lord knows that it's possible they 451 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: gin this up because they needed some sort of pretext 452 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: to make it look like they're not completely full. 453 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: Of That is the benefit of going through the American 454 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: federal system. It's like, look, the federal court is not 455 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: a joke like you. Even if it's a political prosecution, 456 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: you have to produce it. 457 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: They're they're going to have to prove their case. 458 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: You have to produce it. And now, I mean this 459 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: is enough. Look, I mean Abrago Garcia can do what 460 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: he wants, but go to trial because then we will 461 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: all see it. If you just plead guilty, we're not 462 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: going to see any of this. But uh, yeah, you 463 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: should go to trial if for a public interest or 464 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: at the very least his defense attorney should release all 465 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: the discovery and all that stuff. Yeah that they have, 466 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: because at this point that is obviously to the public. 467 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 6: Yeah. 468 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: So they're they're indicting him on conspiracy to unlawfully transport 469 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: illegal aliens for financial gain and unlawful transportation of alien 470 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: legal aliens for financial gains. So basically the core of 471 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: the indictment alleges that he was transporting people that he 472 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: knew to be undocumented between different states. So, you know, 473 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: they this is like, you know, a nitpicky thing. They 474 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: keep calling him a traffick or trafficker is someone who's 475 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: doing this against people's will. There's no allegation here that 476 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: these were people who you know, were being smuggled against 477 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: their will. It's more that he was transporting them and 478 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: knowing that these were undocumented immigrants. That's what the indictment says. 479 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: But the reason I want to clarify by that is 480 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: because Pam Bondy in the news conference about this, made 481 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: all sorts of wild allegations tying him to a murder 482 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: and this and that different thing. Even though none of 483 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: that is in this indictment whatsoever. Again to try to 484 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: project this this you know image like he's some high 485 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: level EMMAS thirteen gang member and you know, going way 486 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: beyond what they were even able to obtain an indictment 487 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: for Let's go ahead and listen to a little bit 488 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: of that press conference and some of the pushbacks she 489 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: got at the end. 490 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 8: Maybe I misunderstood you, but you were mentioning, you know 491 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 8: that he had some involvement in these murder you know, 492 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 8: or was connected to groups that had you know, involved 493 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 8: with this other smuggling ring. But to be clear, the 494 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 8: only charges he's facing right now are the like you know, 495 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 8: human smuggling charges. 496 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 4: Just this the Yeah, that's the one offense. 497 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 8: But the other things that you have talked about are 498 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 8: not actually in the indictment. You know, co conspirators alleged that, 499 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 8: and we were clear to say that he is charged 500 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 8: with it's not only very serious charges of alien smuggling. 501 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: So those are the specifics. 502 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say saga about this 503 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: is you know you have kilmarbergo Garcia. You also have 504 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 2: some two hundred plus other people who were shipped to 505 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: SEACOT with zero due process, many of whom we already 506 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: know had zero criminal record. You know, according to the 507 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: analysis that's done by multiple news organizations, the vast majority 508 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: of them did not have criminal records, either here or abroad. 509 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: They searched the databases of a number of countries, and 510 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, there's an effort in the courts. There was 511 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: a ruling actually from the judge here in DC, Judge Bosberg, 512 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: to say, you've got to give them a chance to also, 513 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 2: you know, like file a haeas rid of habeas corpus. 514 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: They have to be able to challenge their detention as well. 515 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 2: They have to be able to get some sort of 516 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: due process. Supreme Court has said they were entitled that 517 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: and they did not receive it. So the other thing 518 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: that I think is significant here is kind of a 519 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: crack in the foundation because previously it was just like 520 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: once you're gone, you're gone, and that's it, and we're 521 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: not doing nothing about it. So the fact that they 522 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 2: did and are bringing this one person back, I think 523 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: also opens up a crack in terms of the narrative here. 524 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: And then the last thing we mentioned a couple of times, 525 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: just so you can see for yourself, they were adamant. 526 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: There is no way, under no circumstance is Abrego Garcia 527 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: coming home. Here is Secretary Christy No, I'm saying exactly that. 528 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 529 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 7: Should never have been in this country and will not 530 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 7: be coming back to this country. There is no scenario 531 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 7: where Abrego Garcia will be in the United States again. 532 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 7: If he were to come back, we would immediately deport 533 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 7: him again because he is a terrorist, he's a human smuggler, 534 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 7: and he is a wife beater. 535 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: There is no scenario where he will be coming back 536 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: to this country. 537 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: Guess what. Here we are a few weeks later and 538 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 4: he is coming back. 539 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: It is nuts. I mean it's literally Gitmo, right, we 540 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: went worst of the worst. How many what percent of 541 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: people have been released from Guantanamo? I forget, It's like 542 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: probably seventy or eighty percent. They're like, we're going to 543 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: p prosecute them, and then they're like, oh, actually we 544 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: have to drop all the charges because there was torture 545 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: involved here, and actually we can't prove a lot of 546 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: this stuff. I agree. I mean, this is basically, if 547 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: we're following the same playbook, we have two, then by 548 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: three you start to see some releases and some legal 549 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: justification and eventually the bar cracks in the legal system 550 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I think it's hom dv. Rumsfeld. 551 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: We're about hot Habeas corpus now that they don't even 552 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: need to go through all of that, right because that's 553 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: already here law of the land. There's going to be 554 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: some legal process. The fact that you haven't had some 555 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: sort of seacot level removal since that time, has, you know, 556 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: is obviously also evidence of what's happening. But I mean, 557 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: I know there's been some I forget I was vaguely 558 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: aware what was it Djibouti or something like they were 559 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: sent South Sudan or something, but I think it's not 560 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: the same. But especially egally, you can correct me if 561 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, they're taking a lot of problems in the 562 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: in the court system, and I think that that's that 563 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: this is part of what you will eventually see. 564 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so extraordinary development all the way around. So listen, guys, 565 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: we'd planned to talk about the ohon, but we've got 566 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: our guests to reading. We have the spokesperson from that 567 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: Gaza Aid flotilla who we really want to talk to, 568 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: so I'll let the bros handle. 569 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: The broke well, I was it's appropriate. 570 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: I'll exempt myself from that conversation. 571 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: So I think THEO gets unfairly lumped into the manosphere. 572 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: I think he's actually very funny, Like not. 573 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 4: Even in a broke He's not funny, no, but but. 574 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying the New York Times people kind of put 575 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: him in a manosphere. He's not like a creatine body. 576 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, Like, to me, Rogan 577 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: is much more like of a bro just in terms 578 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: of his life and like kind of the podcast and UFC. 579 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: But and I know THEO attends all of that, but like, 580 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: I actually think he's a very funny person who does 581 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: not rely on like bro comedy. Genuinely. 582 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 2: I don't really consume this content outside of the things 583 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: that are political. 584 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: And I would tell you I think you would like 585 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: his out of all of the major ones, this is 586 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: probably the least political to me. He only goes viral for. 587 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: But I'm not interested anything that's not I'm telling it's funny. 588 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like Timothy Shallowman his podcast, they actually a good conversation. 589 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: How would you compare him with with Tim Dillon? 590 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: I think Tim is a lot I mean Tim is 591 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: a very tim Is to me is more of like 592 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: a George Carlin esque figure, like intellectual. Well, he's a 593 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: very He is political in that I've seen his stand 594 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: up and actually was surprised when the first time I 595 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: saw his whole set it was not nearly as political 596 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: as a lot of his podcasts. But he is like 597 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 1: carl And esque, and he likes to point out the 598 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: absurdity of a lot of politicians and a lot of 599 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: like public facing media. I have not ever seen THEO 600 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: any of his stand up, like live or anything like that, 601 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: but I would be willing to gas just based on 602 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: his podcast and all that. It's a little bit more 603 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: of like a societal observation. So yeah, Anyway, I think 604 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: out of all of the so called bro podcasters, I 605 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: actually think he's the least political in terms of his 606 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: as normal content. He does have a lot of politicians on, 607 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: but I don't I think it's noteworthy if we remember 608 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: when Trump came on, that's when THEO was talking about 609 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: like being a drug addict. 610 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: And and that's really more of his thing. 611 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 6: You know. 612 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: He has on like therapists and yes, actually on some 613 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: pretty interesting people. I think he has some good guests 614 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: theil keep it up now, all right here, I actually 615 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: think you're very good at weading. 616 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: All right, All that being said, that combo will happen tomorrow. 617 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to the latest with this 618 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: Gaza AID flotilla. So we have some pretty dire updates 619 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: coming from that Gaza Aid Freedom flotilla that was attempting 620 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: to break the siege in Gaza. All the members of 621 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: that AID group, including Greta Tundberg, have been arrested by 622 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: the IDF and are now being held in Israeli prisons. 623 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: So in order to give us an update, we're really 624 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: fortunate to be joined this morning by Huita Eira. She's 625 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: actually the spokesperson for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. She also 626 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 2: is a human rights attorney, and she joins us. Now welcome, 627 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, Yes, of course. So let's go ahead and 628 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: start with some of the images that we were receiving 629 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: from the ship yesterday. 630 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and play. I'm going to show you. 631 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: A video of quad copters that initially intercepted the ship 632 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: and dropped a strange subject substance on board, so people 633 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: can see what was going on here. 634 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: Let's take a look at that. 635 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 6: Okay, we have we are masking our face right now. 636 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 6: We are cut coutures right above our heads, the most 637 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 6: dangerous ones, and they are they are I don't know 638 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 6: what this is. You don't know what pains are. Some chemicalology, 639 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 6: no idea, but please send the alarm. They say that 640 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 6: they want to intercept them in a very calm way. 641 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 6: But we know what's happening. There is another war crime 642 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 6: about to happen. We will keep you updated. Please put 643 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: pressure on the government. Tell them that we are here 644 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 6: because they are aiding and abetting this genocide. They are 645 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 6: upholding a legal blockade. They're using starvation as a weapon 646 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 6: of war. This cannot go on. 647 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: You cannot live in a future like this. 648 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 6: You need to do everything in your power and your power, 649 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 6: use your bodies, use your horses. Amplified the voice of Palestinians, 650 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 6: and do tell them that. 651 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 9: We are here because they're not doing their jobs. 652 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 4: Pawita, what do we know about what has happened? 653 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, Crystal, those images that you just showed were some 654 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 5: of the final images and sounds that we had from 655 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 5: our colleagues aboard the Madeleine. It was well in international waters, 656 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 5: some one hundred and ten miles still outside of Palestinian 657 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 5: territorial waters where they were headed to Gaza. Shortly after, 658 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 5: we saw lights from Israeli commandos and the boat was hit, 659 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 5: and then the communication was cut off and we have 660 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 5: not heard from them. Since it has been over thirteen hours. 661 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 5: We have not heard from them. We hear the Israeli 662 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: government saying that they are being brought to the Israeli 663 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 5: port of Ashtud. We need to stress that they are 664 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: being taken against their will. They have been abducted unlawfully 665 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 5: from international waters and are being taken against their will 666 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 5: to the Israeli port of Ashtud, where the Israeli government 667 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 5: will presumably process them. We hope that they do not 668 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 5: further abuse them. And we continue to call on all governments, 669 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 5: but especially the governments of these states, to sanction Israel 670 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 5: because it continues to commit these blatant violations of international 671 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 5: law aggression. We see what's happening in Gaza. Why we 672 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 5: were at sea is because of our government in action 673 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 5: as to what is happening to Palestinian people in Gaza, 674 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 5: and it is enough silence. Israel has no legal authority 675 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 5: to intercept a peaceful vessel. Sailing from international waters into 676 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: Palestinian territorial waters. 677 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 4: It says it. 678 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 5: Had to uphold or defend its maritime closure of Gaza. 679 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 5: It has no authority to enforce an unlawful blockade that 680 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 5: is designed to starve a civilian population, and there is 681 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 5: no security threat from a sailboat that is carrying twelve 682 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 5: civilians and baby formula for babies who are being starved 683 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 5: to death. So our governments need to stop accepting these 684 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 5: abuses and pretexts from Israel as it continues to trample 685 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 5: all over international law and genocide a people while they're at. 686 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: It, Hueita, can you tell us about that seizure in 687 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: international water? So this was one where the flotilla was 688 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: actually outside of any recognized territory. What was the justification 689 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: that was given to the flotilla for this arrest? And 690 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: have you been notified yet if they're going to face 691 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: prosecution and detention inside of Israel for this? 692 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 5: Thank you for that question because it is so important. 693 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas, 694 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: there is freedom of navigation on the high seas. This ship, 695 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: the Madlin, was unarmed, carrying twelve civilians, including a member 696 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: of the European Parliament, including a doctor and journalists and 697 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: human rights advocates, and it was carrying humanitarian aid for 698 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 5: eight people under siege. It constituted no threat. Israel had 699 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 5: no authority to intercept it, nor to use violence to 700 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 5: intercept it, certainly not on the high seas, but even 701 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 5: if it had reached Palestinian territorial waters, because the International 702 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 5: Court of Justice last year advised US that Israel's occupation, 703 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 5: its presence in all of the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful, 704 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 5: and governments have an obligation not to recognize the illegal 705 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 5: situation that Israel has created, and have a further obligation 706 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 5: to do as much as they can everything they can 707 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 5: to end this illegal situation. And on top of that, 708 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 5: Israel is instituting this comprehensive blockade that is designed to 709 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 5: starve an entire civilian population. 710 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: That is a war crime, and it is not new. 711 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 5: We're seeing the dramatic effects of it now, of denying 712 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 5: everything food, water, aid, medicine to a people who have 713 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 5: been bombarded for nearly two years. We are seeing emaciated children. 714 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 5: We are hearing reports of accountless babies who have already 715 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 5: died of starvation, all of this being done before the 716 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 5: eyes of the world, while our governments do nothing or 717 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: are actively complicit. So it is important to stress that 718 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 5: no government has the authority to enforce an illegal blockade, 719 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 5: and that is exactly what this is. Israel says it's 720 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 5: a lawful maritime closure. It is absolutely not, and no 721 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 5: serious legal authority will tell you that this is a 722 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 5: lawful maritime closure. And we were not even close to 723 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 5: that border. It went out into well into international waters, 724 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 5: over about one hundred miles from Palestinian territorial waters, which 725 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 5: is not too much different from what it did. Just 726 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 5: a month ago. We had another ship that was going 727 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 5: to head towards Goza carrying humanitarian aid. That ship was 728 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 5: named the Conscience and it was right outside of Malta 729 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 5: and in European waters, some two thousand miles from Israeli 730 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 5: territorial waters, and Israel sent its drones to bomb that ship. 731 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 5: And so Israel is using this kind of unjustified force 732 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 5: against civilian objects, against humanitarian aid workers, all to stop 733 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 5: people from trying to get to Gaza again, an unlawful blockade. 734 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 5: The Freedom Flotilla coalition is trying to break it, but 735 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 5: our governments should be doing the same, and if they don't, 736 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 5: we invite people all over the world to join us 737 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 5: for the next book we're going to send. 738 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 4: Because we can't stop. 739 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: To that point, Grata and others on board release pre 740 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: recorded videos calling on people to pressure their governments. Let's 741 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to a little bit 742 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 2: of what they had to say. 743 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 9: My name is Grifatimba and I am from Sweden. 744 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: If you see this video, we. 745 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 9: Have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the 746 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 9: Israeli occupational forces or forces that support israel I. Urge 747 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 9: all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on 748 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 9: the Swedish government to release me and the others as 749 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 9: soon as possible. 750 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 10: So my name is river Sea, I'm from friends. If 751 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 10: you see this video, it means that we got intercepted 752 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 10: by the Israelis forces or complicits and we made maybe 753 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 10: in a very bad situation now. So I do ask 754 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 10: our comrades, our family friends to please share this video 755 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 10: and put pressure on the French government so that we 756 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 10: could be with my friends released and also of course 757 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 10: that this genocide ends. 758 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: Well. 759 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 2: I had two questions for you first, following up on 760 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: what Grata was saying there, what are you calling on 761 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 2: people around the world to do to support these activists 762 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: and their work? And also I saw reports that there 763 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: may have been coordination with some other attempts to break 764 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 2: the siege, So what happens next? 765 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 5: Yes, we recorded those videos because we anticipated this kind 766 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 5: of violent interception by Israeli forces. They have attacked us before, 767 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 5: They have seriously injured and even killed our volunteers before, 768 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 5: most notably in twenty ten a flutilla that I was 769 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 5: on is Real violently rated that one and killed ten 770 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 5: of our volunteers, And so we pre recorded these and 771 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 5: put this out as soon as we lost connection with them. 772 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 5: We are asking people all over the world to call 773 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 5: on the government of these countries to put pressure on 774 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 5: Israel to release them immediately, to guarantee their safety, and also, 775 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 5: as you heard Revase at the end, also to undertake 776 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 5: their obligations under international law to stop this genocide. Because 777 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 5: the very reason that we have these twelve international civilians, 778 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 5: our colleagues now abducted by Israeli forces is because they 779 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 5: had to be at sea doing what our governments should 780 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 5: be doing. And I want to stress that these twelve 781 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 5: are now abducted or disappeared. We haven't heard from them 782 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 5: in nearly fourteen hours. 783 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: Now. 784 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 5: Thousands to thousands of Palestinians. Ten thousand Palestinians are also 785 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 5: disappeared and are in Israeli dungeons. But we know that 786 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 5: because of the privilege of the passports of the internationals, 787 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 5: and because the eyes of the world are on them, 788 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 5: and because we have thousands, tens of thousands of people 789 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 5: mobilizing to put on these pressures, we know that they 790 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 5: have more safety than the thousands of Palestinians and the 791 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 5: two million Palestinians in Gaza. No government to speak up 792 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 5: for them and protect them. So we are asking people 793 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 5: to put this pressure to ensure the safety of these civilians. 794 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 5: But also we need to keep pressure and remember why 795 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 5: we're doing this, and that is to stop the genocide 796 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 5: and protect the people of Gaza, and that requires governments 797 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 5: upholding their obligations under international law. And so I mentioned 798 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 5: that they're attack us now, but we're not going to stop. 799 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 5: So we will be organizing to send another mission as 800 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 5: soon as we can. We invite organizations, people and institutions 801 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 5: that have more resources than we do to also mobilize 802 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 5: boats and come with us, but we are also in 803 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 5: coordination with other civil society initiatives that are aiming to 804 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 5: break the blockade in other ways. Today June ninth, a 805 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 5: land convoy left from Tunisia and it's making its way 806 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 5: through Libya to Egypt and hopefully on its way to Gaza. 807 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 5: And in just a few days thousands of people will 808 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 5: be coming flying into Cairo from around the world and 809 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 5: attempting to march to Rafa, the border of Gaza with Egypt, 810 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 5: and demand that they be let through, because we have 811 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 5: a situation where Israel has turned Gaza into a death 812 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 5: camp and we have to do everything we can to 813 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 5: break down these walls, to break the siege in any 814 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 5: way we can, and that is civilian, nonviolent direct action, 815 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 5: but also the pressure of people all over the world 816 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 5: calling on our governments to also sanction Israel and hold 817 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 5: it responsible for what it has been doing and continues 818 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 5: to do. 819 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 2: Huita, thank you so much for joining us this morning. 820 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. Thank you, Thank you so much 821 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 2: for having me. Thank you it's our pleasure. 822 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching, and it's great 823 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: to be back. Crystal We will be back with you 824 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: all tomorrow. 825 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: You're bro shure tomorrow, always sure for having people tore 826 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: right and going on. We switched days this week, so 827 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: we'll get a gross show, ladies show, and then you 828 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 2: and me back up. 829 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: Lots of fun. Okay, we're gonna have fun this week. 830 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: We're breaking things up, and that's the best part of 831 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: all of us breakingpoints dot com. 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