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Speaker 1: It's an honor and pleasure to have you, and thank

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Speaker 1: just thank you like this is a blessing, a dream

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the NBA, who's the first

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Speaker 3: Well, probably they didn't practice because it was a little rougher.

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Speaker 3: Then we had a lot of guys who are trying

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Speaker 2: Of older guys when I grew up because they played ball.

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Speaker 3: They were like forty five fifty years old and you

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Speaker 3: So there are a lot of great plays. Casey Jones

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember when I came up. I played

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Speaker 1: But it made me better though.

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Speaker 2: It made learn how to play, maybe learn how to

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Speaker 1: So it was definitely a blessing to play with older

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo yo. We live on location. Me and the

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Speaker 4: Blackest One, still chilling. But today we got something all time,

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: This is this is something that we couldn't even dream up.

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Speaker 4: We got the legendary missed the triple double himself before

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Speaker 2: I was a building.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Brought to you back thy style.

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Speaker 4: When you were younger, Like what first brought you to

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Speaker 3: Having money, nothing else to do? You know where I

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Speaker 2: You have to play all of them, you know everything.

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Speaker 2: I just I didn't have something. And what happened.

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Speaker 3: I knew Marcus Haynes and Goose Tatum with the Globetrotters,

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Speaker 1: Okay, how hard was it back then in high school

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Speaker 3: That was very difficult because then all black team in

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Speaker 3: You know we couldn't. We couldn't play a strategic basketball game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't think my coach like, but

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Speaker 3: From Tennessee and when my grandfather had a dog. You

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Speaker 3: He said, if I'm gone, you gotta take care of himself.

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Speaker 2: You nobody could win that yard though it was rough.

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Speaker 2: My dog's named Jordan and Kobe, and they spoil as hell.

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Speaker 2: So tell me this, y'all. Was the first first team

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Speaker 2: As accomplishment for you, it.

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Speaker 3: Was a quite an accomplishment. I would say this that

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Speaker 2: We've been together for that long, longer time. I think

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Speaker 3: But you know, by the time I got to be

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Speaker 3: I didn't care about anything. I mean, I didn't get

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Speaker 3: But we can all play on Tuesday and Thursday because

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's all I can say that. Not

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Speaker 3: everything is fair in life. So no one said it's

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Speaker 1: Did you think you can win mister basketball for Indiana?

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Speaker 1: You know what's going on back in the day of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hallie Bryant one than fifty three from my high school.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I never thought of that too. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean scoring, and I

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: They they can't play a game, that's they follow season.

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Speaker 3: And my old man came to some games. He didn't

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Speaker 2: But you know, I know he worked. You know, he

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Speaker 2: When did you learn how to be strategic?

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Speaker 1: You aren't one of the best point guards that strategy

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Speaker 2: So who taught you how to be strategic in the game,

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Speaker 3: You know in practice, you know, we used to dump,

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Speaker 2: And I went down the floor behind the back would

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Speaker 3: And coach caught time out. He said, if you ever

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Speaker 3: But when I became a senior, I spared that out

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Speaker 3: I wasn't never a ball hall. I moved the ball

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Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, those things happen, you know,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe how the things happened to him and

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Speaker 3: But I'll sell you this stuff. I think that all

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Speaker 2: You got that, and you know that, don't.

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Speaker 3: Well before I got in in high school, I had

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Speaker 3: i had talked with the. COACHES i, said what the

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00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 3: world's going on?

442
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 2: HERE i, said card from an.

443
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 3: All black situation experience and seeing.

444
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: This so he sat, down we.

445
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 3: Talked he told me the whole. Story you know that,

446
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,879
Speaker 3: school then they all any black students going? There maybe

447
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 3: WHEN i was, There i'm going to say that five

448
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 3: or six not five or six, percent like five or six,

449
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: period five or sixth. Period, now then WHEN i got

450
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 3: there in nineteen fifty, six there five blacks in the sports.

451
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 3: PROGRAM i played, basketball and four the black guys on,

452
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 3: football And Bert darcy And Leon, Love Roland shad And Joe.

453
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: Patrise i'll never forget those. Guys we know athletes on

454
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 2: athletes in the whole. Program that's.

455
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 4: Amazing, well you, know things got, better you know they

456
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 4: they went on in sixty, one they win the championship

457
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 4: and they had about four black guys in the starting.

458
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 1: Lineup when you made your final four run them two

459
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: years in a, Row, like how was that for you

460
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: to make them runs through the tournament that get?

461
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: There well it was all, right you know we got

462
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: beat By.

463
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: California but you know the first, year at my sophomore,

464
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 3: YEAR i thought we had the best, chance but the

465
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 3: center broke his.

466
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: Foot Mike mendenhall was a guard. Senior he was red.

467
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: Shirting so he couldn't. Play and there was another player

468
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: kicked off the team because.

469
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: He got.

470
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 3: Married so we had two guys starting from the team

471
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: the restaur all reserves who never played. Before you, know

472
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: but it was a give was a fair, match you. Know,

473
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 3: now guys, said well what do you think about getting

474
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: by losing to To? California so they BEAT i, Say

475
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: i'll scored. Us and no matter what happened to, me

476
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 3: we didn't make. Baskets they were a double triple team to,

477
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: me we didn't make. Baskets so that's how you get.

478
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 3: Beat at what point was it for? You because you

479
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 3: said that you were, always you, know a pretty unselfish.

480
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: Guy you shared the, ball you, know it shows your,

481
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 3: number but like you still, average like thirty.

482
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 4: Three you had the nation and, scoring so, like, like

483
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 4: at what point did you, Realize, like, YEAH i could

484
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 4: pretty much score wining with HOWEVER i, Want and like

485
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 4: how was that for?

486
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: You, well you, KNOW i took good. SHOTS i kept

487
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: moving around a little. BIT i.

488
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 3: DIDN'T i wasn't a standstill basketball. PLAYER i moved around

489
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 3: a lot OF i played like a high, forward got

490
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 3: inside quite a bit as much AS i.

491
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 2: Could but you, know you have to make the, shot you.

492
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: KNOW i MEAN i worked in practice on my shot

493
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: man quite a.

494
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: Bit you. Know they so watch my.

495
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 3: BROTHER i had a brother that played. It and THEN

496
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: centrald was the top scorer for a long. Time, yeah

497
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: he would shoot so much in the. Game he, shoot

498
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: he hit keen and, roads and he. Missed he wouldn't

499
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 3: stop shooting, though, Right, yeah it was about thirty five

500
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 3: points a game of himself in.

501
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: College SO i.

502
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: Asked, HIM i, said, well what do you think you missed?

503
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: ME i KNEW i was gonna start hitting. Soon he,

504
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: SAID i don't worry about the Missing that's my type of, guy,

505
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: Right like that might tell YOU.

506
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: I perfected my shop to be. Honest looking ahead to the,

507
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: draft did you know he was going to be the

508
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: number one? Pick?

509
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 3: YES i did because of Little. Chamberlain see What philadelphia

510
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: AND i went To. Kansas philip definitely got a rule

511
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: put in that if you go to if in high

512
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: school one hundred miles from the team, base they have

513
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: first rights on. You, yeah and that's HOW i got

514
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: to say to. That also With jerry lewas did the same.

515
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: Thing he played thirty miles in high school from the.

516
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: Team also At, columbus which is one hundred miles. Away you,

517
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: know these guys all make rules to suit. Themselves, yeah

518
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: like they, said you got to be close to.

519
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: Here they change the. Rules they do.

520
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: Everything you, know sometimes to your, disadvantage but most of

521
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: the time it works out to help you quite a.

522
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: Bit BECAUSE i remember The Larry bird rules put. In

523
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: who Could Larry bird more? Money and he deserved? It,

524
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: Yeah but after a whole, man these brothers starts, to,

525
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: HEY i want some of That Larry bird.

526
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: Money yeah they, yeah, yeah they got. It, yes they

527
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: still got. That The Larry Bird rights is still in effect.

528
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: Today so you get the most money with that team you.

529
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: With how perfect was that that you get drafted To

530
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 4: cincinnati like you kind of already had the you, know

531
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: the hometown based from.

532
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 2: College how was that for you going from the college

533
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: team to the pro team. THERE i really didn't think

534
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: that much about.

535
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: It THEN i got there and saw them players kind of,

536
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: traumatic to be, honest we Didn't we did not have

537
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: a good. Team and you may not recall it because

538
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: you're not you're too. YOUNG a two years before, That Maurie,

539
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: stokes who played For Saint, francis got hurt and was.

540
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: Out that really hurt the. Team he was An All.

541
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: American we didn't have any basketball players at all that you,

542
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 3: know it was just just really. Terrible WHEN i got,

543
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: OLDER i, Realized, hell they want me to save.

544
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: Them you, Know i'm just out of.

545
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: COLLEGE i had to get three years in, college but you,

546
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: know they want me to save the. FRANCHISE i, MEAN

547
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: i was playing forty seven minutes a. Game the only

548
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: guy who played more minutes THAN i did Was will Maybe.

549
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: Russell Maybe, russell BUT i Know will did even they

550
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: never came out of my.

551
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: Game did you feel pressure from? That being like you

552
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: come there as a rookie and like you, say you're

553
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 4: looking around and then you realize that they expect you

554
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 4: to save this whole. Franchise was That did you feel

555
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 4: any pressure from that and playing you like that that many? Minutes,

556
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: oh that's.

557
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: True but you know WHAT i.

558
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 3: FELT i felt THAT i had to make adjustment to the.

559
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: Game you, KNOW i mean because the guys were bigger

560
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: and stronger and. Whatnot and you, KNOW i was a

561
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: target for a while because you played a lot of these.

562
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: Teams they didn't know IF i could play or, not

563
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: so you, know they were to get their best defender on.

564
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: Me sometimes it, works sometimes it.

565
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Didn't your first, year who was some of them guys

566
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: that you was, like, man he's, nice he's real. Good, like,

567
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: Oh i've Been i've been hearing about. HIM i ain't

568
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: never got a chance to see. Him as soon AS

569
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: i SEEN i was, like, OH i see why they

570
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: was talking about.

571
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: Him, WELL i was really impressed with Elsen.

572
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: Bader See Russell buckiet given, well go up and catch

573
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: a ball at.

574
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 3: The top of the height and pull it. Down you,

575
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: Know Russell blacks. Shot but you, know you got to see.

576
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: Him you got to find, out you, know after why

577
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: you get. Smarter you know where they the guy's blocking

578
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: this guys. Shot Jered west was coming. On he wasn't

579
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: a player that he became later in. Basketball Bob pettitt

580
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 3: was a very good basketball, player very. Efficient you make

581
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: adjustments to. Him After bob and you're, around you start

582
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: doing things and. Whatnot AND i realized that WHAT i

583
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: had to do on the.

584
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: Team SO i just made some.

585
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: Adjustments, MAN i went at him, then AND i didn't hold.

586
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: Back if you, know at first when you go in,

587
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 3: there you were different guys and you and, awesome, man

588
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: these guys the pros, man you know guys you've been reading,

589
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: about but now didn't, Realize hey didn't they didn't know

590
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: better than anybody else you played against.

591
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Him just just go at. Him, yeah who's one of them?

592
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Guys you you know you're gonna get ready to.

593
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: Play you were, like, YEAH i gotta bring my a

594
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: game tonight BECAUSE i know he's gonna bring his a

595
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: game every TIME i see.

596
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: Him, well AS i, said, Well Casey general was a

597
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: good defensive. Player but what they would, do they were

598
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: ganging up on you box and one and and also From.

599
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: Philadelphia forget his, name but he's a good defensive. PLAYER

600
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: i can't think of his name. Anymore AND i just

601
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: had they had a good, team but they Had Will New.

602
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: York New york can have a very good. Team this

603
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: was a had a good basketball. Team to. See who

604
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: else with The San Francisco they didn't have such a

605
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: great team, either But Will, russell Uh Saint. Louis those

606
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: teams were. Tough they were tough to Be Saint louis.

607
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: Spirits now they were Called. Hawks now The, Hawks oh

608
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: The hawks. There, okay.

609
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: Tell me.

610
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: This when you were playing back, then was it called

611
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: the triple double or did they start calling it that much?

612
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Later, no they didn't know they brought a triple.

613
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: Double leave.

614
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: THAT i so that's.

615
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: So so how was that for you to be mister

616
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: triple double and have done all of? This and then

617
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: how did you feel when they create that term and

618
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: you learned that.

619
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: This is the?

620
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: Thing, like how how was that for? You you? KNOW

621
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: i was asked about.

622
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: THAT i told the, GUY i asked. MYSELF i didn't

623
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: even KNOW i was doing. IT i thought everybody was

624
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: playing the same, WAY i guess the magic came into

625
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: the leg and had a couple of. These they so

626
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: the old triple. Double so they went back into the

627
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: archives and there so That i'd done it for quite a.

628
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: Few, years old, seasons and so you didn't even realize

629
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: that you were doing something that's like this, huge rare

630
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: thing that's so hard to be.

631
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: Achieved you thought it was just you was just playing regular.

632
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: BASKETBALL i really. DID i didn't think about. It but,

633
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: no they did anybody else at.

634
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: All and another thing that they used to they didn't

635
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: Count russell's rebounds Or Wilke's chamberlain's rebounds when they said

636
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: the greatest rebounder by the greatest shot, blocker they didn't

637
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: count here of those. Guys AND i think that's a.

638
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 3: Shange that's a. Chanswer that's grace from. BASKETBALL i, mean

639
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: for all the shot That bill blocked and the shot

640
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: That Wilt chamberlain, blocked it was. Unbelievable how was it

641
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: for you to Break Bob coosey's assist? Record you, know

642
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: to be, HONEST i didn't know that much about the

643
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: assist record. Whatsoever when it. HAPPENED i wasn't aware of.

644
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: It AND i don't know what it. Was at least

645
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: speak today to be.

646
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: HONEST i, MEAN i, mean you, know because really Assist

647
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: in those, days it was like you had to give

648
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: a pass going to the.

649
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: Basket for a layer or.

650
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: Something now everything's an, assist, man.

651
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: Exactly you could pass it right here and somebody go

652
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: do a whole deal and be like like a hockey.

653
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Assist it's a hockey. Assist you could pass to, somebody

654
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: somebody else can pass and you get.

655
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Look at, CARRY i, mean just keep throwing the, ball,

656
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: man you might get fifteen assist the game where he

657
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: shoots the.

658
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: Basketball it's. Unbelievable how was it for you when you

659
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 4: won THE mvp of the? League, like how was that

660
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 4: to be to win that, accomplishment to be the best

661
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: player in the WHOLE?

662
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: Nba what did that? Feel? Life but in the first,

663
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: ONE i didn't EVEN i.

664
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: WANTED i, Mean i'll tell you, why because those, days

665
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 3: no matter what you did as a, guard r, forward

666
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: big man wanted because big man was there swimming parted

667
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: for a team to. Win, Yeah Russell, chamberlain Then Nate

668
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: thurman came, on And Bob petty was a big, man

669
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: so there therefore no. GUARD i, Mean i'm the first

670
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: guard to win. IT i don't know If Bob cousy

671
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: want it or. Not Before Bill, Russell jerry west never

672
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: wanted that l L a with with all this fine

673
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: play for all of those.

674
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Years AND i don't know If Elton bayley.

675
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: Ever wanted won AN mvp or. Whatnot it's always a

676
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: big man's big man, REWARD i, mean AND i think

677
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: it was totally unfair for. Her like he, SAID i

678
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: had triple. Doubles didn't know did anyone? Else that's, great

679
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: but it is, indeed you, know BUT i think A

680
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: westbrook and he's got he, want you got triple doubles this.

681
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: Year no one even noticed. It they didn't think it

682
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: was such a great.

683
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: Deal, yeah, yeah made everybody get too used to. It

684
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: it was, LIKE i can never just look at that

685
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: and say that's. Normal what he's doing is.

686
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: RIDICULOUS i think that's totally. UNFAIR i think he should

687
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: have won it. Again if you get a triple doubles,

688
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 3: again and you know WHAT i, mean what so IF

689
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: i keep, stats.

690
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: Then, yeah while we give it to him the first,

691
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: time then we ain't gonna get.

692
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: It just just, really it's just really unbelievable THAT i

693
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: don't know who votes from M vp. ANYMORE i guess

694
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: sports right Is.

695
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah the thing about it that they kind of annoyed

696
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: me about the way they try to make it sound about,

697
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: like so he's trying to get a, Truth BUT i said,

698
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: SO i was, like do y'all know how hard it

699
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: is to get? One Like like the fact that he's

700
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: saying That i'm gonna go even if he made his

701
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: mind up that this is WHAT i want to. Do

702
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: like the fact that he is going out there and

703
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: doing it is, Amazing like as any player that plays,

704
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: basketball that's why it doesn't happen like every. Day it's

705
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: something that's super hard to, do and he going out

706
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: there and averaging. Me do not try and minimize that

707
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: man with.

708
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: That that's huge because BECAUSE i think he's a he's

709
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: a great basketball. Player but for some strange reasons, socially

710
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: some of the sports writers saying things that you, KNOW i,

711
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: MEAN i don't know. WHY i don't know why they're saying,

712
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: them BECAUSE i think they should be trying to promote

713
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: the game as, well and just, said, oh well he

714
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 3: got he's got another trouble. Double but if they got.

715
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Deep, well so what you. KNOW i, mean if you

716
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: look at, it only one team. Win, yeah there you

717
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: got there you, go there're four teams don't. Win so

718
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: things with The.

719
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: Lakers he's still getting criticism.

720
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: And they got a huge opportunity coming up this. Year

721
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: they locked and. Loved it looks like.

722
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: It but you never know about, basketball you. KNOW i

723
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: always said, this and a guys, something an old player

724
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: told me this morning. Before no matter what they say

725
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: about you in the, paper you got to play me

726
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: and throw the ball.

727
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: Up you gotta play that. Game, now you gotta play that.

728
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: Game so ain't them? Lines now you gotta do.

729
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: IT i never forget WHEN i was coming out of high,

730
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: SCHOOL i made the allshar. TEAM i was missedter basketball.

731
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: Hetch this guy From, KENTUCKY i think his name Was Kelly,

732
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: Coleman and before we played, them he told everyone he's

733
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: gonna get.

734
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Fifty points against.

735
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: Me so all them guys around the park just kept teasing. Me,

736
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: man he's going he's gonna wear you, out, MAN i,

737
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: SAID i, said who is this? Guy so so, anyway

738
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: we get in the, game But i'm standing side and.

739
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: Going they tossed the ball, UP i, said you got

740
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: to play, now that's all that talk before and. Meaning

741
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: but he got four.

742
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: Points oh shut, down lock up. Season you, know sometimes

743
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: you know get a guy getting ready to.

744
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: GO i MEAN i wasn't not the greatest defensive, player

745
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: BUT i could play defense those days man in high younger.

746
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: Freshman but you KNOW i coach made everybody play defense

747
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: in high. School, man don't want to get, away get

748
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: away and do.

749
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Anything you've been to both Of milwaukee's. Championships you participated

750
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: in one and you just seen one this. Year tell

751
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: us about that to be a part to see the

752
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: city when you wanted how it, was to see now

753
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: how the city, was you, know with Your giannis now

754
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: winning it this, YEAR i was.

755
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: THERE i was that experience with. YOU i think it's

756
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: a wonderful.

757
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: Experience and when we won in seventy, ONE i didn't

758
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: quite realize what it meant to have a small market

759
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: and win a championship because that, man you, know it

760
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: seemed like on The Boston then they got into the

761
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: finals and, yeah which was something in it self to.

762
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: Then but and this YEAR nas was on the. Block

763
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: i'm sure the coach was on the. Block the whole

764
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: team was on the b AND. A i said before the,

765
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: GAME i, Said, creams what do you? THINK i, Said

766
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: jannas ought to go downside and get inside and kill.

767
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: Them every time he, does they're gonna.

768
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: Win but they had so many people inside the arena

769
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: and probably sixty thousand.

770
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: Outside it's called The Deer.

771
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 4: District The Deer district was was amazing that that place

772
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: Was how was it for you to see, that to

773
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: like think back to when you guys played then you

774
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: see how what it's morphed into this amazing arena and

775
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: they got that crazy set up outside for all of the, Fans,

776
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 4: like how was that for you to just see?

777
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: THAT i think it's. WONDERFUL i think it's wonderful for

778
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: the fans get involved or something like.

779
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: That AS i said, BEFORE i think it's one of

780
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: them all up market team won again and resus L.

781
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: A i'm Not i'm not opposed to L a Or

782
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: boston winning, it but the other guy get a chance.

783
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes but it was nice to have people, involved you,

784
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: know and with all the all the viruses going. Around

785
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: BUT i thought it was, wonderful wonderful man And yann

786
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: did a tremendous. Job and But i'll still say this

787
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: when they got. Holiday that makes the difference for.

788
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: Them, yeah, yes did.

789
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: You Got you got to have good guards to win the.

790
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: CHAMPIONSHIPS i don't care if they say you do not

791
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: have to be the greatest, scorer but you got to

792
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: have good guards on your.

793
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: Team turn the ball over. There that is like you,

794
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: said he plays both.

795
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 4: Ways he's one of the best two, way you, know

796
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: offensive end defensive guards that's in the.

797
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: League SO i mean that that was definitely an unbelievable

798
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: pickup or.

799
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: Traded it was.

800
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: Time it was time they, uh there wasn't nothing else

801
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: they could do with. Them it was. Rebuilding it was

802
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: time for him to. Go, well you know you. Can't

803
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: you can't rebuild all your. Life definitely right about.

804
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: That because you, know if you look at basketball or

805
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: football or baseball on cerve so many teams where they

806
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: structure with the lineups and with the talent they have

807
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: on their.

808
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: Teams only so many.

809
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: Teams can win the. Championship if you look at basketball

810
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: and just getting to the point that you could say

811
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: maybe five maybe five teams can.

812
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Win, yeah we just playing out the.

813
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Stream one of my favorite things about this year's finals

814
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: was seeing you And kareem ap, dudes your boy sitting

815
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: at the game.

816
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: Together how was it playing with?

817
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: Him not only playing with, him but seeing him go

818
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: on to The lakers and continue to build a great

819
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: career as he's.

820
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: Done you, know sometimes things happen for the, best and

821
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: this is one of the best things happened to me

822
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: in my life because you get to look At phoenix

823
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 3: when when when the corn was, flipped it was the

824
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: corn flip and When phoenix showse.

825
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: Somebody else In milwaukee Got.

826
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: Kareem but it was a lot of fun going To.

827
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: Milwaukee you. Know WHAT i had to do was make

828
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: adjustments BECAUSE i WAS i played ten years and these

829
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: guys were all young. Players SO i had to make adjustment,

830
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: myself WHICH i gladly. DID i didn't concentrate on scoring that.

831
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: MUCH i tried to get those other guys into the,

832
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: game which is WHAT i. Did another other, Guys Will,

833
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: Russell shaq could have gone A. Kareem he was just

834
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: acceptable with his, upshot and once he realized what he

835
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: could do with his, body he got some weight on his,

836
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: body which is what he really. NEEDED i, mean they

837
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: couldn't stop IN i, mean you, know and he was

838
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: criticized a life for not doing this and not doing

839
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: special rebound and. Whatnot but, man he what a terrific

840
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: shot he had with a hook. Shot and you you

841
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: don't see guys trying to duplicate that. Anymore you, know

842
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 3: they couldn't.

843
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Stop it really, is, indeed you, Know And kareem was

844
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: a very very good free throw. Shooter, yep real. Good

845
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: he was like the only sin in that you can

846
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: get the ball to at the end of the, game.

847
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: Because a lot of them today if you file a, manigat,

848
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: yeah you, know but it's. AMAZING i think that's it's

849
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: a mental. Thing missing those three. Throws you guess got

850
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: it going because you, KNOW i watched the game the

851
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: other day with the women. Play they all their miss

852
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 3: free throws.

853
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: One.

854
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: ONE i can they shoot so? Well in demand?

855
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: Can?

856
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, WELL i guess they got big. Hands the balls

857
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: kind of, little so it's like they got a small.

858
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Ball now they don't have the same. Signs but it's.

859
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: AMAZING i just think that if you can't make free

860
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: throws practice because WHEN i first started, playing my coach

861
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: HAD u shooting.

862
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: The underhanded from the from the.

863
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: MIDDLE i couldn't. SHOOT i started shooting them, overhead AND

864
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: i missed a. Few i'm going to gym practice practice

865
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: THAT i could make. Them and that's.

866
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: So that's how you do. That you gotta got to

867
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: put into, work you, know letting comes that. Easy how

868
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: was that.

869
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 4: For you going there being one of the old like you,

870
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: said he was kind of the older guy now and

871
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: you got a chance to get in that environment and

872
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: still win a championship at that, point how was that for?

873
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: You it's, right you, know young guys call you old man.

874
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: Until the game. Starts see then then they want you

875
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: want to want to keep the ball on you, say.

876
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: Heys one of these? Plays? Now it was fine AS

877
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: i said.

878
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: Before and WHEN i got, THEREF i told my, WIFE i,

879
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: said you, Know i'm not going to be the STORE

880
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: i was And.

881
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Cinnami she said? WHY i, said, BECAUSE i, SAID i

882
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: got to.

883
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: Learn these guys have to Learn Kareem, Danidge Greg smith

884
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: And John Van, blackman Even lucien's doll and find out

885
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: what they can. DO i, SAID i don't know right.

886
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: NOW i got to get him in a. Set we

887
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: couldn't have played one on one basketball up In. Milwaukee

888
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: we had to play with them to have a. Unit

889
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: we'll go in to our play and get people set

890
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: at different. Spots, now and this is WHAT i.

891
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: Did tell me, this you basically are responsible for for

892
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: all of. Us you, know this complute, league the be

893
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: a to be free agency and move. Around tell me

894
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: how was that for you when you went and had

895
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 4: your lawsuit against the league and you basically made it

896
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: so that THE nba players can become free.

897
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Agents how was that experience for?

898
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: You, well WHEN i first got involved in After i've

899
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: been to the president for a long, time we didn't

900
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: really know what was the outcome would, be but we

901
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: felt that there's a lot of things going on in

902
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: basketball was totally. Wrong, instance if you signed a contract

903
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: with the team and they cut, you.

904
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: They had your rights. Forever you couldn't you couldn't.

905
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: Go to russ at, all and we just felt that

906
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: was wrong for. Them we first got there there spending

907
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: eight dollars a day for. Food we understand their best

908
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: hotels and air.

909
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: Travel.

910
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: Man we flew on the first flight going in that direct.

911
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: Weather it was six o'clock for five point. Thirty all

912
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: those kind of things. Happened so and we.

913
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: Got together BECAUSE aba at that particular.

914
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: Time in THE, nba we felt trying to merge.

915
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Together able that to.

916
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Happen we felt that if they did, that they were

917
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: they would hurt pay that the payers could. Get so

918
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: therefore we went to court and during the court proceedings

919
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: we THE aba was had was going to take in

920
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: or they did take in in some, teams they didn't

921
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: take all the teams. In and we talked about the

922
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: writer first refusal and if you got a contract like

923
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: anyone in business where you Would Meryl mintz Er General,

924
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: electric if you don't have a, contract you able to

925
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: go and go to another. Team and this is when it.

926
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: Happened but you, know the players took a lot of

927
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: blame for, that a lot a lot of owners really

928
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: criticized us for doing. It and then you look at

929
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: THE la clip was so for two billion dollars and

930
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: how many how many twenty and thirty million dollar teams

931
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: now are worth over a billion dollars because years, AGO

932
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: i never forget When boston Got Kevin garnett and on the,

933
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: shooting all that Was David. Stearns THE nba allowed. That,

934
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: see you, know every everything was, fine but people didn't

935
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: say anything about. It but When obroon went To.

936
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: Miami oh, man how could he do?

937
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: This and you, know let's be, honest the man's knew

938
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: all about.

939
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: That for it's almost like the three players got.

940
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: Together and they carve out like A Clyde minen and

941
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: And Paul george got together go to The. Clipper come,

942
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: on come, on people don't be that naive and. Stupid

943
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: only set back and they've seen but that's happened with

944
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: the with the riner first refusal has made basketball player

945
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: in The superstars man.

946
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: All over the. World, yeah.

947
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: You know how always upgraded basketball from being THE US

948
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: a sport to an international sport and it's made a big.

949
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: Difference and how they how they made more, MONEY i don't.

950
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: Know the guy's name got kicked out at the at The.

951
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Clippers he bought to stay for twelve million, dollars sold

952
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 3: for two big, yeah down. Stir you know what do

953
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: you think The nickson? Work and they and they'll sit

954
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: back and they'll call player all those greedy. PLAYERS i

955
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: just saw that a player got fifty million dollars AND

956
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 3: i said to, myself what do you what are the

957
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: horn is Making before they pay money like?

958
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: That do they afford to pay that money and how

959
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: much they. LIVE i think sometimes let that be.

960
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: Known you know another, thing how is it every time

961
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: a player signed the, contract the world knows what he's.

962
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Making it's you can google how much they make a. Day,

963
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah and LIKE i feel like teams that did way.

964
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Worse like, man when a guy decides his own future

965
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and want to decide his own, DESTINY i feel like

966
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: that should be.

967
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: Okay but when a team do, it it's like doing

968
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: it for the. Best sometimes they don't even call.

969
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: You sometimes you just walked in the gym and just saying,

970
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: them spoke to the whole, organization walked out the. Gym

971
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: soon you got home and they're, like, yeah you. Trade

972
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: like WHEN i JUST i JUST i just had breakfast with.

973
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: EVERYBODY i just seen. Everybody they're, like, yeah you, wait

974
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: but nobody says nothing about, it you, know after being.

975
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: Traded trading, ONCE i, mean it gets to you for

976
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: a little. BIT i was an assistant for ten. YEARS

977
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: i MADE i made The all protein ten straight. Years

978
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: then THEN i looking at the paper one, day So

979
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: house was getting, old he's wearing, out he's no good

980
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: for the team. Anymore and you, know and we're not

981
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: gonna do this so we could just trade. Him so, wow, Okay,

982
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: well you know the thing about. It you, KNOW i

983
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: wasn't against being traded BECAUSE i was an, athlete BUT

984
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: i had finally say so WHERE i had to? Go you,

985
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: know people don't know us.

986
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: Today. Man if it were not for my, WIFE i

987
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: would have gone To, milwaukee.

988
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: Cause she she looked at the school systems and she

989
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: had a lot of a lot of friends in the

990
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: club that she's a national club and she was. In

991
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: she looked at the, neighborhoods SO i DIDN'T i didn't

992
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: mind the changing weather and. Whatnot so she, SAID i

993
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: think we should go to the WALKING i, said finds

994
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: fine with.

995
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Me Miss old got your, championship, man that now she.

996
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Did that was that was A i was real happy about.

997
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: That to BE i had had a nice neighbor got

998
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: in a nice. Neighborhood, well you, KNOW i overcame a few,

999
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: obstacles but it was alright with.

1000
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: Me it worked. Out finding how physical was it back then?

1001
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: Then you see now because you know it's not as

1002
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: physical as it is as it was back, then but

1003
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: he was really physical where it was a lot of

1004
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: stuff that just wouldn't be called of buny be Thrown,

1005
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: like how was that physical aspect of the game back?

1006
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: THEN i never.

1007
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: Forget WHEN i got into high, school some older GUY

1008
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: i know that he, said, man you stop playing dunk a.

1009
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: Plane and they finally found him. Back he, said they

1010
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: played rough with you played rough. Back so that's WHAT i.

1011
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Did in the.

1012
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: Pros they found.

1013
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: ME i found him.

1014
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: Back they start throwing. Elbows you, know learned to get

1015
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: out of the, way but BUT I i wanted to throw.

1016
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: Money learn.

1017
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 4: What type of regimen did you do because you had

1018
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: like you were a big. Guard you were physically you,

1019
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 4: know you were. Strong like what type of regiment did

1020
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: you do to keep in? SHAPE i worked on a

1021
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: farm all, summer, Man, okay got good farm. Work huh, oh, listen,

1022
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: MAN i worked on the.

1023
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: Hall guy five in the, morning fed, animal went to

1024
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 3: the fields of, work picked up pick bell hay up

1025
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: all day filled with corn hay and. It you, know for,

1026
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: listen no, sodas no, PEPSURE a couple of clothes.

1027
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: Are at all because they had no, sugar no.

1028
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: Sugar and my grandfather read The bible every.

1029
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: Night m, okay.

1030
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: My older, brother, man you know you got the he, Said,

1031
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: MAN i got to get back to the. City, man

1032
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: you're not Going you're gonna stay do stay down, here

1033
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: work in these. Fields he's worked in these fields all.

1034
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: Summers they did for three straight. Summers BUT i should

1035
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: stress my growing a lot doing little. EXERCISE i did

1036
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: push ups all the.

1037
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: Time, yeah see push, ups, Everybody that's What i'm talking.

1038
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: ABOUT i did a lot of push, ups a lot

1039
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: of push.

1040
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: Up get.

1041
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: That But, no you, see in the world evolved to

1042
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: see that we have a back. President you ever think

1043
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: that we'll have a black. President NO i, Did like

1044
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: it was been not possible to have a back president

1045
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: with what was going on in you the seen in the.

1046
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: World NO i did because sometimes frix of nature, happened you.

1047
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: Know And i'm not saying he's a freak or, anything

1048
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: but it happens that the young people got together and

1049
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: decided and they wanted to change them so. Much going

1050
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: on to notice the economy was felling like mad. MAN

1051
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: i think the guy saved the. World he saved the,

1052
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: vacon has saved, schools he saved the, homes he saved

1053
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: he saved, everybody and you, know and then they criticized

1054
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: him so much for trying to get a health system

1055
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: DOING i mean, unbelievable, MAN i believing that what he had,

1056
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: done what he did For. America, yeah, No i'm. Bad

1057
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 3: i'm glad he came, along you, know BECAUSE i don't

1058
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: think anyone else.

1059
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: Could have done. That straight? Up where do you think

1060
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: you get?

1061
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: From like, too growing up the way you grew, up

1062
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: you went through at Versus like you, said a lot

1063
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: of people going through a lot of different. Things what

1064
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 4: do you think that you got it from you that

1065
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 4: you were going to go challenge different things and try

1066
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: and advocate for the players and try and do different.

1067
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: Things they weren't just about. You you did things that

1068
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: were kind of selfless for the larger. Group and where

1069
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: did you get that put in you?

1070
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: From BUT i don't, know, man because When i've got

1071
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: involved with The Paths, ASSOCIATION i didn't know that much about.

1072
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: It Jack prominent and had From, boston god what his name,

1073
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: anyway got me involved in in, association.

1074
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: And you KNOW i LEARNED i DIDN'T i was, naive

1075
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: didn't know anything about.

1076
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: It so WHEN i got, there, man you started looking

1077
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: and reading different, thing having meetings with Life fleisher and

1078
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: other guys are involved in our association talked to the

1079
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: other and talk to other players without we felt that

1080
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: there was something wrong with. Basketball the owners had all the,

1081
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: control all the, power and you, know and so with that,

1082
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 3: said this is this is. WRONG i, mean you, KNOW i,

1083
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: mean come, on, man you work an eight dollars a

1084
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: day for. Food that's that's. Unbelievable it's stay in the

1085
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: best hotels in flud coach get in to see if

1086
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 3: you came on the, plane.

1087
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: Like how was that type of the travel like that

1088
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 4: being like like you, said you got to get on

1089
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: a five thirty am commercial flight and just be, like

1090
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: how was?

1091
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: That we had to fight to get the fly first?

1092
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: CLASS i mean those kind of. Things you, know we

1093
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: first got started, out we didn't even have a training For.

1094
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: Cincinnati lets you take my own. Ankles, Wow SOMETIMES i

1095
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: just put a little stopover, ankles just kept on, playing,

1096
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: man you, know BECAUSE i never had any ankle problems.

1097
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: WHATSOEVER i GUESS i was.

1098
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: Lucky how how is it for you to come from

1099
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 4: from seeing what you saw being and like you're, saying

1100
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: going from eight dollars a day for them traveling that

1101
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: to like seeing now you look at today and these

1102
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: teams got big jumpbo jets is like you see the

1103
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 4: per diem is. Pray everything is just like as maxed

1104
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 4: out as it could. Be like how do you feel

1105
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: when you look at that now and how the players

1106
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 4: are being taken care.

1107
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: Of i'm. Happy i'm glad for the guys BECAUSE i

1108
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: know this in that lifetime that fenders will not have

1109
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: to suffer financially about things and.

1110
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: WHATNOT i, hope hope they don't lose all the.

1111
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: MONEY i, mean one guy got a house with fifty

1112
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: three million. Dollars that's, wonderful because, YEAH i THINK i

1113
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: think it's, great you, know let them enjoy it because you,

1114
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: know you, know you don't know what's gonna happen in this.

1115
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: WORLD i think that it's great to have The i'm

1116
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: going to say, this have the black players and as

1117
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: some white guys making the money, too for the black

1118
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: players to get their, kids that get them to go

1119
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: To Disney world and fly around the world and see different,

1120
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: things and by a pair of shoes when you want

1121
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: to about you, know BECAUSE i, mean you, know it's

1122
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: almost they didn't happen years, ago you, know and all

1123
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: of a, sudden because.

1124
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: WHEN i grew, up you know that The.

1125
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: Blacks are don't, Good blacks can't do, This blacks of,

1126
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: Dumb blacks of.

1127
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: Spun you, know you know.

1128
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: What in high school it took THEM i played three

1129
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: years on The varsityment took them three years to say

1130
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: THAT i was a smart basketball. Player it's just they

1131
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: don't they don't say. That they don't say that about

1132
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: blacks man and SAYING mb they, Said Jim, brownies he could.

1133
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: Run but you, know you don't know what hold, hit you,

1134
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: know and all those kind of. Things that's what hits

1135
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: out the fist for years, ago you, KNOW i, MEAN

1136
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: i could never. Understand but they never had a black.

1137
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: Quarterback but but then AFTER i got, OLD i realized that,

1138
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: that you, know that was important and the center was

1139
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: center was, important middle linebacker was. Important that they said

1140
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: that those guys the, Thinkers.

1141
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: Well, okay that's where it. Goes but you, know all

1142
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: those things you have.

1143
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: To go through in.

1144
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: Life there certain things that happened to.

1145
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: You and it's one it's wonderful when you get get

1146
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: to the one side and look back and see all

1147
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: the progress it's been, made just like you guys are

1148
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: on the. Air AND i never didn't have any it's

1149
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: great because you get a different viewpoint what's going on

1150
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: in the.

1151
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: Man AND i THINK i definitely do AND i think

1152
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: it's so much more information out. There it's. Wonderful it's.

1153
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 4: Wonderful and, yeah and that's WHY i had to continue

1154
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: to go out of our way to just continue to

1155
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: say thank you and thank, you know guys like you

1156
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: that went Through AND i got so much admiration just

1157
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 4: sitting here listening to you, know guys don't want to

1158
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: call you a smart, player And i'm, like it's, Amazing

1159
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 4: like AND i, KNOW i don't even know how it

1160
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: would have dealt with, that and for me to sit

1161
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: here and be able to talk to you and you

1162
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: you became what you became and then do it all

1163
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: of those different things and then still paid it for

1164
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 4: it and tried to make things better for those coming

1165
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: behind you and things like.

1166
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: That, man that's just the utmost respect to, you the highest.

1167
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: Regards turn appreciate. That but let me say, THIS i

1168
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: was just a part one party and the. Whole AS

1169
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: i said, before there were many other guys who went

1170
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: through a lot of these things and really suffer, it

1171
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: and it helped me THAT i was success and you

1172
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: know another THAN i. GOT i went to high school

1173
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: where they had great, teachers which were all. BLACK i

1174
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: got to, school and that's another. Thing you, know successful

1175
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: on the court and off the court was great for,

1176
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: me AND i, wonder it's.

1177
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Wonderful but, NO i did.

1178
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: The part THAT i have to. Do but other guys

1179
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 3: who round who were in these other, places first guy

1180
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: who played AT l S u Or, mississippi all those

1181
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: places like remember you know all those. Things you know that's,

1182
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: important you, know and you know it's it's and it's.

1183
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: Amazing then the one they're written about, this no one

1184
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: they're written about the first guy who did this and did,

1185
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: that first guy who went to played In mississippi and

1186
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: all these.

1187
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: Things what if they go THROUGH i, mean, yeah.

1188
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: Exactly i'm a fan of, nicknames and The Big old

1189
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: is a dope nick. Name when you first heard The Big,

1190
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: old did you like? It and what do you think

1191
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: about The Big?

1192
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: Old but at FIRST i didn't know what they're talking.

1193
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: About but then they guy told me that RADIO i

1194
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: gave that, name and he said he did it Because

1195
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: wilf was called. Wolf still El elsin was called a,

1196
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: Rabbit so he said The Big old so this stuck with, me.

1197
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: The big Old how did you like? It did you

1198
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: like when people starting?

1199
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: NOTICING i, said, man when you put the ball in the, basket,

1200
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: man it's, Great but this this, THING i would have.

1201
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: Been a big old hand to put the ball in the.

1202
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: Basket i've been a big zero. Forever.

1203
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 4: LISTEN i CAN'T i can't firmly remember being my freshman

1204
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 4: year in.

1205
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: College.

1206
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: Bro we went to go Play cincinnati And long and

1207
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: behold the Big. Oh we come out for warm, Ups,

1208
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 4: bro and you know you're going, Around you're doing your,

1209
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: things doing, anything and THEN i can't remember who it.

1210
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: Was one of my teammates, said big old over. THERE i,

1211
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: said what he turned? Around, love behold big old sitting over.

1212
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 4: There you remember me coming up to. You it was

1213
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: myself and then all like a, kid and the kids,

1214
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 4: like nice to meet. You SO i was, LIKE i

1215
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 4: want to play so good that, game BUT i was,

1216
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: like over, HERE i got to put. On so he

1217
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 4: just acknowledged. Me trying to remember me made me like

1218
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 4: one of my greatest moments when YOU i got to

1219
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 4: meet you In cincinnati and D. N later that same,

1220
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 4: YEAR i get to Meet George gervin at home because his,

1221
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 4: son his son g played For houston and they came

1222
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: to play us In. Chicago WHEN i got to meet,

1223
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 4: HIM i was, like this is. CRAZY i Met Big

1224
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: old like a couple of weeks, ago and NOW i

1225
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: get to Meet. Iceman it was, like this is the. Greatest.

1226
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: YEAH i went to a lot of games in those

1227
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 3: days and it was. Nice i'm happy to guys to

1228
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: come up with acknowledge THAT i was. THERE i know

1229
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: you didn't have, to BUT i really appreciated.

1230
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, absolutely that was a great.

1231
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: Moment So i'm asking you not your top five players,

1232
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: ever but just your favorite. Five who was your favorite

1233
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: five over the, years over the history that you like

1234
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: when you've seen them.

1235
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 3: Play, Well i'm gonna Say jordan Uh let's see elgend

1236
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: bamor the kid out of gold And Golden, state Now

1237
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 3: Kerry Jerry.

1238
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: West it's a lot of a lot of, Buckets Jerry

1239
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: west logo and.

1240
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: Will both he And Bill russell And shaq came on

1241
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 3: to play.

1242
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: Great you, know.

1243
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: There's a that's a great succession of great basketball players came.

1244
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: WRONG i Know i'm gonna miss a few, guys but

1245
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: but it's just wonderful to see great athletes performed in difficult.

1246
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: Situations you. Know, YEAH i forgot something a moment ago

1247
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i just thought of missing great basketball players and

1248
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: one and only That.

1249
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: Brian, Yeah Bryan, James, Yeah Ryn Jay King, Jay you'll

1250
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: never forget.

1251
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: Him two men as basketball. Players that's a great, one great.

1252
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 3: One you. Know it's difficult in different, ages but not

1253
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: to say this guy was better than this player that.

1254
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: Player, yeah just get everybody they. Respect but it's going to,

1255
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: happen you.

1256
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 3: KNOW i think it's great for the fans to say

1257
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: the players of this age are greater than anything else never,

1258
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: played which is all, right you.

1259
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: KNOW i mean, yeah BUT i can play, basketball.

1260
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: And elder could play, well could play, it can, Play.

1261
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: Eldin could play. Fraternity thus they could play WITH i guess, Anybody,

1262
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: HEY i want to get one last question before we

1263
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: get you out of.

1264
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: Here but so you, you you, know throughout your whole

1265
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: career and, everything you did all of these, things and

1266
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: then it came when they did the top fifty players.

1267
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: Ever did you ever think that it would you would

1268
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: be involved in something like that when you started?

1269
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: Playing and how how was that to be a part Of?

1270
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: NO i did NOT i mean it was it was,

1271
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: nice but you, KNOW i was happy about.

1272
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: It here, AGAIN i can only pick fifty basketball players and,

1273
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: said sometimes great players let fall and Sometimes now they

1274
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: got to pick the top seventy five, players.

1275
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: Right they got twenty five more to, pick and a

1276
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: lot of guys that were left off the fifty might

1277
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: be a little disappointed because they might be left off

1278
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: the next twenty.

1279
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: Five one thing we know for, Show BIG o gonna

1280
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: be in. There, WELL i, KNOW i, hope So i'm.

1281
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: Sure i'm sure they're gonna have a good representation of

1282
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: who the top seventy five. Are but you don't hear

1283
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: you just like, anything you just just for some people

1284
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: think of some.

1285
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 4: Dope, well, man this has been more than more than. Unbelievable.

1286
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: Man we super appreciate, you you, know pulling up and

1287
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 4: taking the time out for. Us oh, gee this is

1288
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: once in a. Lifetime. Man we appreciate you big oh

1289
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: coming on with. Knuckleheads this is. AMAZING i appreciate that being. Here,

1290
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 4: man it was a nice conversation.

1291
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 3: We.

1292
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Had you got your show, man because we need more of.

1293
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: Them, Yeah i'm glad you remember, Me and so you would,

1294
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: say you, know, yes, SIR i appreciate.

1295
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: That. Great you got to.

1296
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: Take care all.

1297
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: Right we want to thank y'all for your continued support

1298
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: of the.

1299
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120
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1300
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,680
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1301
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,680
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