WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Did Zeke Handle The Media Right? 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.320 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.240 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.560 ready for a break. Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.880 It's time for the break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:29.320 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:34.440 today's Thursday, December twenty First, Derek, it's not here at 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.200 the time. I'm not sure where he ran off too, 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.000 but Davis here, Nike is here, and I'm here. We 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.159 are ready to talk some cowboys. So how are you 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:50.479 guys doing? Paper covers rock? Is that a reference to 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.279 the measurement in Oakland? Or we moving on from that? 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.360 I just decided who did that? Yeah, no, I know, 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.639 and I don't know how that means. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:05.080 got paper moves the rock, paper covers del Rio right, Yeah, Okay, Well, 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.720 let's move on from that. We're going on. We're only 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.480 talking about Seattle. We're focusing on Seattle now, So let's 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.360 start off with the injury report. Several guys in odd 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:19.240 practice yesterday, A lot of guys. Yeah, Hey, DeMarcus Lawrence back, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:24.480 I saw that. Thank you appreciate that Marcus Lawrence made 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.840 the Pro Bowl. He was not a practice yesterday and 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:32.039 he shows up with a back injury concerns on this back. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.959 Um took me a second, Yeah, I was like, what 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.399 are you doing over there? I reserve the right to 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.360 be wrong, but it strikes me more as like a 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.040 precautionary slash, let's not overdo it type of thing, Like 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.600 I don't know that it's the type of thing that's 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.440 going to hold him out of this game. But it's 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.160 only Thursday morning. Still, so dave of me to say, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.160 But it's like maybe he was getting a lot of 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.480 pats on the back. Yeah, Pro Bowl. He was too 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.640 busy patting himself on the back and couldn't make it 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.720 out to practice. I saw him walking around at practice, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.480 and you know, like the veteran reporter, I am just 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.880 totally forgot to ask him why he's not out there, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.400 just set there and b asked with him about other crap. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.839 And it happens Dave's sitting there writing a story going 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.519 at this time. We do not know why, demark, No, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.960 You're just having a conversation there, both of you, just 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.160 watching practice, seeing the guys out there. Yeah, Wait, why 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.040 are you here? Yeah? Why are you? I did actually 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.960 say that, like you don't need to be out there, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.080 and then it was just congratulations on the Pro Bowl 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.640 and then never really got the answer. But we know 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.520 now it's the back. Yeah. But the fact that he was, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.000 you know, not getting rehab and the fact that he 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.560 talked to the media on Tuesday, then I should have 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.160 actually put this together. He was walking out of Cowboys 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.880 fit really do though, probably getting some treatment. Yeah, I 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.440 saw the l and Tyrone walking out of there as well. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.480 I mean, what's that called, which cryo? There's hydro, there's 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.519 all they do, all kinds of stuff over there. Um, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.639 probably cryo. If I had to guess, so, were you sorry? Things? 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.919 I just I mean, it remains to be seen for sure, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.200 But I don't get the impression it's something that's going 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.920 to hold him out of this game. It's you know, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.480 it's late in the year, everybody's banged up. He's your 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.040 best defender. You probably want to make sure he's good 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.120 to go. That type of deal. So same would apply 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:32.120 for Tyrn Smith, Lyle Collins, Anthony Hitchins maybe, um Lyle, Yeah, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.840 I mean, at this point, I think you're just in 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.080 a routine with him, like he's just got to manage 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.240 his back the best he can until the season's over. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.280 I'm not particularly worried about him missing the game. I 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.560 get a tyranough. I get the feeling Anthony Hitchins might 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:52.160 be okay. Tyrns, the one Tyrons, the one that Backney back, knee, hip, shoulder, whatever. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.800 Ryan already sent him out for the rest of the season. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.960 I'm it's yeah, he said in on our periscope yesterday. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.880 I think it's he just put him on IR the diagnosis. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.840 I mean, people are saying sprained LCL and that's a 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:11.600 four to six week injury. So I mean, even even 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.480 if they somehow make the playoffs, you're not, you don't 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.480 get that bye week. So I mean you're talking about 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.720 him having to play a wildcard game in two weeks. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.360 I just I don't know how realistic that is. I 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.880 don't think it's super realistic to think he'll be ready 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.760 for the Seahawks, and then it's probably a long shot 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.400 he's ready for Philly. I'm sure he is. I mean 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.520 we talked about earlier this week. He's an iron man. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.760 If anybody can play through this type of stuff. It's him, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.280 and it's probably better to have him out there and 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.920 not be all the way there than not. But it's 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.320 just I mean, at some point, enough's enough, you know. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.440 I mean, he's he's been dealing with a lot this year, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.960 so I'm sure they're gonna play that by year. Who 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.960 So who is out? I mean, I'm looking at this 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:56.880 injury report like who's gonna be out? Irving Irving's out? 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.040 I think Irving Irving came out yesterday. David Irving. He 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.360 suffered a concussion November thirtieth. People have kind of been 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.080 wondering why he's not bouncing back quicker. He came out 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.120 yesterday and said himself that he's still experiencing headaches. He's 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.960 not all the way back. He's gonna take it day 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.360 by day and be cautious, which he should. It's a 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.119 head injury. That doesn't sound like a guy who's gonna 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.880 play again this year to me, um certainly not against Seattle. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.040 He's not practicing already, So you're probably not gonna have 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.680 David Irving. It's at least somewhat likely you won't have 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.920 Tyrn Smith. And then the other one is maybe Orlando's 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.760 cancer Andricks limited. It's the first time he's been limited, right, 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.000 I don't believe he had any I think he was 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.039 limited last week at least once. Okay, so he's done, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.080 he's done the individuals since Mayowcent Mayo. He's got a 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.280 back injury. Doesn't look like he's gonna yeah play, you're 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.760 probably you're I mean, the inactives were easy last week 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.279 because four of them were done, you know, before Sunday 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.040 even rolled around. I have a feeling that's going to 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.120 happen again this week. But John Ley limited, I think 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.240 he I think he's okay. Yeah. I talked to him 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.719 after the game and asking him about the back injury, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.800 and he said it didn't even come close to him 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.160 actually being out of the game. But the back injury 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.679 is something he has been dealing with for a while. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.280 Just because he just said, I'm just old basically so, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.560 but he didn't make it sound serious. Well that's I mean. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.960 You know, these guys show up on the injury report 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.920 for one thing or another, and it's easy to forget 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.360 that every single guy in that locker room is dealing 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.880 with something, whether it's on the report or not. Like 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.440 you jammed your finger in a drill, or you've landed 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.839 funny on your wrist, or you tweaked something like. It's 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.880 that time of year where every guy in that locker 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.880 room probably feels pretty terrible when he gets out of 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.720 bed in the morning. Like that's yeah, that's just the 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.600 reality of it. So when you do what you can 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.160 to fight through the guys that can, and then you 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.200 know there's three or four that you're looking at that 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.440 you know, it doesn't look that optimistic. But it's only Thursday. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.000 We'll see how they do with two more days of 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.560 practice to get ready, and at least with Tyrant's position. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.040 We saw Byron Bell come in and replace him. He 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.120 did a pretty nice job. Are you guys feeling now 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.320 confident with what the Cowboys are doing in that specific 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.160 position in case they do not have Tyron again? I mean, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.840 I thought Bell did a nice job with Khalil Mack. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.160 I mean, but he's you know, he's not the same. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.600 I mean, but he actually seemed like he played better 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.360 than what Tyrn was doing out there, you think so, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.640 I mean Tyron was struggling. I mean, he was hurt. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.120 He I mean, obviously he was hurt. And I thought 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.320 I thought Belle I hate saying this, but I just 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.400 thought he could compete better for that night than when 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.560 what Tyrn could and now now tyrants and that was 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.240 before well, you don't know when the knee injury was. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.280 I mean, I guess you want to say he probably 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.240 did early and tried to fight through it like he 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.040 does everything else. But the thing about Byron Bell, he 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.280 just competes. He competes better than Chaz Green did in Atlanta. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.800 He's not perfect. He'll have a penalty for you. But again, Seattle, 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.280 who they got Michael Bennett and those guys, Michael Bennett 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.560 and Frank Clark. You're gonna talk about them. Yeah, I 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.600 mean pretty good. I don't know if that answers your question. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.120 I mean, it's the best you can do. I mean 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.440 I feel I feel better about it than I did 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.000 coming out of Atlanta, Like I've you know, they've had 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.160 to play without Tyr, and they had to play without 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.520 him for one or two more games. After just one 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.520 more they made it in Philly, like, I mean, he 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:30.440 was all right, and then he made it through the 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.080 end of this Oakland game. I mean, it's certainly not ideal, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.440 but I at least feel like it won't be an 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.240 eight sac disaster, hopefully not maybe maybe only three. And 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.319 Bryce Butler is back to being limited, and I've been 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.160 receiving a lot of questions through Twitter in regards to 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:51.480 him and his participation in this game. What are you 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.880 guys expecting you practice yesterday? Yeah? I thought maybe at 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.199 some point he would be a candidate for I R 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:03.760 as well, But you know, they're He hasn't done a 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.280 whole lot, even when he's been out there lately, so 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.319 I don't know what their plan for him is, but 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.840 you know, he's got a speed element that no one 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.920 else really has. I wouldn't mind seeing him out there 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.480 if he could, if he could be there, I mean, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.520 Noah Brown has been playing instead of him, but he 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.800 doesn't stretch the field or anything. This is one of 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.760 those again, and anybody that can fight through it, I 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.400 think they're going to try to fight through it. And 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.439 if they win, then you're a week away from trying 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.000 to get in the playoffs. And if they lose, then 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.400 I bet you'll see three or four roster moves where 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.200 it's like, all right, we can't make the playoffs. Tiring, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.120 there's no need for you to, you know, take a seat, right, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.400 I killed Bryce not to go to Oakland. Oh, I'm 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.520 sure it did, absolutely, And well, I'll be interested. I mean, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.400 you're right, he does have a speed element that nobody 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.000 else has, but not his foot's not feeling good. So 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.160 he did more yesterday than he has at any point 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.240 in the last week or two. So I mean, that's 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.599 at least an encouraging sign. And I imagine, you know, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.760 they'll take that up to Sunday if I had to guess. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:06.720 And yesterday we talked about Russell Wilson's ability and mobility 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.079 and the way he escapes everything. With the guys showing 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.760 up on the injury report, Malie Collins, David Irving, DeMarcus 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.960 Lawrence on the defensive line, Yeah, how will this affect 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.959 the Cowboys ability to pressure Russell? It worries the crap 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.280 out of me, to be totally honest, because, like I think, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.000 I said that yesterday and I said it on a 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.720 radio hit I did this morning, Like you need all 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.200 hands on deck, you need all four guys that are 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.600 on the field at any given time, and all eight 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.199 of the guys that are playing to rally, like you 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.839 need him all doing it. And DeMarcus his back is 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.480 ailing him and David Irving's not going to play most likely, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.280 and MALIEK. Collins has been dealing with the foot all week, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.880 so Benson Mayowa might not play in this game. Like, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.840 you're kind of you're kind of hurting on the defensive 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.959 line right now. And that's not what I want to 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.520 hear when you're talking about a guy that you have 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.040 to find a way to get down, shaking your head 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:07.040 for because I am agreeing with Dave, but it's not 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.960 a good thing. Yeah, like, oh it's not a nice 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:16.319 agree and Garrett shake like like not good, al not good, Dave. Okay, Well, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.760 let's go ahead and take our first break. Um, I 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.920 don't remember when break time is. Before we before we 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:25.800 take a break, let's talk about and this will be 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.280 kind of quick because there wasn't a lot to talk about. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.040 Oh yeah he did so see did speak yesterday to 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:38.040 the actual media, not in it. Wow whoa to the public, 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.280 to the public, but not in a private interview with 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:48.920 mister nick email. Okay, so tell me how that went down. Well, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.959 the thing was is I think our we kind of 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.040 walked in a little bit late and then you missed 0:11:54.080 --> 0:12:01.199 it if you're late. Um one second, actually, actually listened 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:07.559 to it this morning, and I don't know. I'd probably 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.520 need to bite my tongue on this one on why 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.720 it was unproductive. But he could have done a better 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:20.160 job there for sure. And I don't know, like I 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.440 don't know if he thought talking talking the day before 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.079 to me, I mean, I don't think so. I know 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.959 there were some people in the media that were saying that, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.720 but I don't really care. I mean, it was actually 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:32.599 a trade that was done, so it wasn't like he 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.319 gave a special treatment and we made a trade. But 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.200 the thing about it was is he's staying in front 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.599 of his locker, he's this is the first time that 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.640 everybody really gets to see what he's doing, what he's about. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.560 He could have done a better job, and the Cowboys 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.480 PR staff could have done a better job as well. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.240 I mean, everybody couldn't And so for those who do 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.719 not know what happened, but yeah, what happened was he 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.600 was out there and people were asking him questions about 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.000 the suspension, why he was doing during his time off 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.920 all that, and he was very specific that he did 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.319 not want to speak about any of that, and people 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.800 kept asking him different ways over and over, and he 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.800 just kind of walked out. Yeah, I mean, he said, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.559 I don't really want to talk about that. That's in 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:17.880 the past. I want to talk about the few you 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.559 want to play it? Just yeah, yeah, if you got it, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.560 play it. We have time. Yeah, let me pull it up. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.199 Give him about three and a half seconds. Okay, I mean, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.480 he just he was asked that. He was politely said, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.240 I don't want to talk about it anymore. But I 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.679 don't think that the follow up questions were really you 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.320 know that they were trying to follow up that. I mean, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.640 I thought they were kind of different, so I just 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.280 weren't specific to this is the court case or anything 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.640 like that. Yeah, this first time, he's trying to kind 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.280 of change things and change his image. I hope he was. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.800 He's trying to. He needed a little bit more patience there. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.840 All right, how much have you grown? And how much 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.920 of people learned? Um? Well, I'm not really gonna talk 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.679 about it. It's behind me. Um. You know, I'm just 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.360 trying to start a new page, a new chapter, and 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.360 you know, I just want to I'm gonna think, you know, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.920 there's Cowboys organization for being behind me things for my 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.480 family and my team and my friends. For just supporting 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.600 me through the time, and you know, especially to the 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.760 Cowboys fans who stuck by me through this tough time 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.880 and uh having all faith in me. But you know, 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.400 I'm not talking about anymore. This's gonna be the last 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.640 time you hear me speak about it, so please don't 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.120 even ask me about it. It was great, you know, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.520 the energy was high. I missed all the guys, they 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.520 missed me, and we're excited to continue the season here. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.200 You're not gonna talk about the project. I keep talking 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.680 about what you get the last things week? No, what 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.800 about the documentary? And what message do you want to? 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:57.760 Just watch? You tell me the message you get. I 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.400 don't know when you're conditioning. I'm ready to talk about 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.840 the Seattle Seahawks. I'm ready talk about the Dallas Cowboys. 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.680 I'm not speaking of it anymore. You don't want to 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:13.600 talk about that, thank you? That's yeah, that I mean, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.400 I can see why that last one aggravated him, but 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.120 the ones before that, I don't. But even the question 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.360 about the documentary, you're you've been working on this documentary, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.240 which is about yourself. You need to promote it. You 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.160 want to people to at least give them a little 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.120 bit of information for them to want to watch it. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.960 I want to find out more. He's going to help 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.080 you promote it. Well, that's well, whether he's right or wrong, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.640 he doesn't think he needs help with that, clearly, Mike. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.760 He'll put it out and him and his people will 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.000 put it out when and how they see fit, and 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.120 people will watch it. And he I mean, you know that, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.440 and I get I think that's part of it. Is Uh, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.720 in this day and age, when you have you know, 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.600 when Twitter exists and you can speak directly to your audience. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.080 He doesn't think he needs the media, which maybe he doesn't. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.840 And that's that's kind of where I fall on it. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:04.560 Is like you know, I I work in the media. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.040 I understand their role and their you know what, their 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.760 their duties. I understand why they ask those types of questions. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.080 They're well within their right to do it. I understand 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.400 why he doesn't want to talk about it, and he's 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.320 well within his rights to blow it off if he 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.080 doesn't want it. Yeah, I mean I can see both 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.240 sides of it. I thought I thought he could have 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.520 handled it a little better, just in terms of maybe 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.760 um image, you know, like your first real public appearance. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.240 Since you come back from this this issue, you want 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.200 to put forward as good foot, as good a food 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.080 as possible. But at the same time, like I said, yeah, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.440 he doesn't think he needs to do that, and he 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.640 might not be wrong. He can speak to his audience 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:46.120 however he wants, and uh, there's there's millions of cowboys, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.640 fans and his friends and his family who've got his 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.640 back regardless. So um, like I said, he's well within 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.320 his rights to do whatever he wants. But I personally 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.440 thought that could have gone a lot better. Yeah, especially 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.240 with the first thing that's out of his mouth is 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.160 this is a new chapter for me. I'm going to 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.960 turn the page. But it doesn't look like it. It 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.040 doesn't look like it's a new chapter. I mean, it 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.719 looks like the same type of you know. I mean, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.200 it was a standoffice about it. You know. I thought 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.840 the setting could have been different. And I understand that 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.240 this is where they do their interviews. You know, we've 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.439 we've complained for fifteen years that a lot of these 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.280 guys don't need to be in front of their locker. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.520 It's it's tough for everyone to get those done. And 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.280 I think that if you would have pushed it to 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.760 the side and maybe, um, you know, maybe at the podium, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.200 you know, like like Garrett is. I think that would 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.440 have probably brought a little bit more attention to it 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.920 and awareness to Zeke. Think, hey, this is kind of different, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.120 this is a big deal. Let's let's let's or maybe 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.879 do the kind of what Romo did. He went up there, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.639 he didn't really I answer any questions. This is what 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.400 I want to say, this is what I'm gonna say, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.480 and that's basically it. Yeah, I thought the same thing yesterday. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.600 I thought that, you know what, they could have done that. Um, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.320 you know, if he's not really gonna talk, you know, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.040 he wants to say what he only wants to say, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.880 then maybe that would have been a good approach as well. Yeah, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.600 like I said, I I can see both sides, like 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.840 I know exactly Derek. Oh hey it's Derek Eagleton. Are 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:20.159 you talking about me saying whatever I want to say? Actually, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.919 just played the Zeke video or audio. We're not going 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.439 to play it the whole thing again. We could. I mean, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.480 it's not like it takes up a huge chunk of 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.919 the show. I assume you guys felt like he did 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.680 something wrong yesterday. I don't. I mean, the whole thing was. 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.600 I mean, like we said, the whole the whole thing. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.560 They could have handled it differently. I mean I think 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.280 they could have put it in a different spot because 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.600 this is different, This is not that, it's not normal 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.480 that this happens. And I think that, you know, he 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.399 said he wanted to turn the durn the page and 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.520 new chapter, but it didn't really look that way. I 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.879 thought his patience was not where it needs to be 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.000 for this first time. Before two weeks into this and 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.960 he's still haven't asked questions. I get it, but this 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.920 first time, Yeah, I don't think they were that bad either, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.720 especially what if he wants to promote a documentary. I mean, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.679 they're asking about the documentary. So honestly, he just did 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.720 himself with this service. I honestly don't feel like that's 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:14.920 that's kind of where I like, I don't think he 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.040 did anything wrong, And like I keep saying, like he 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.440 has a prerogative to do what he did. He's well 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.800 within his right to do whatever the hell he wants 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.560 when it comes to that, Like, he doesn't have to 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.399 answer those questions if he doesn't want to, and he 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.640 doesn't owe the media that. But when you're coming back 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.879 from the situation that, he is like, why are you 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.760 why are you trying to like we create enemies with 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.000 the press, and just like put out that image of 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.639 you being this standoff ish, surly dude. Like I get it, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.359 you're probably mad about what happened, but you're not doing 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.359 yourself any favors by getting off on that foot. You know. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.480 Reminds me of a quote that I heard one time. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.560 I heard somebody in this building, one of the people 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.640 in the exact team, saying, you don't You'll never win 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.800 a bear, You'll never win an argument with someone that 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.440 buys ink by the barrel, Like it's you just won't. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.680 And I think there's so many players, and the first 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.920 one that comes to mind is to you never, you 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.520 will never win. You were about to say that, No, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.840 I have said it earlier, like five minutes ago, about 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.840 about they get the last laugh, as CEO is finding 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.800 out right now, exactly right, And you can be that 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.640 way with the media. But when the media gets the vote, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.800 if you're a first ballot hat famer, so you have 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.440 you have a right. He has a total right and 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.560 is well within his rights to say man I don't 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.639 want to talk about that, and that's okay. The problem 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.600 is how you talk to people and how you manage people. Um, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.200 we we'll dictate number one, how they deal with you 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.760 and how they talk of you. And I just think 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.400 that he did himself a disservice more than anything else. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.119 And that's and that'll that'll be He'll have to deal 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.200