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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: today's Thursday, December twenty First, Derek, it's not here at
Speaker 1: the time. I'm not sure where he ran off too,
Speaker 1: but Davis here, Nike is here, and I'm here. We
Speaker 1: are ready to talk some cowboys. So how are you
Speaker 1: guys doing? Paper covers rock? Is that a reference to
Speaker 1: the measurement in Oakland? Or we moving on from that?
Speaker 1: I just decided who did that? Yeah, no, I know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how that means. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: got paper moves the rock, paper covers del Rio right, Yeah, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's move on from that. We're going on. We're only
Speaker 1: talking about Seattle. We're focusing on Seattle now, So let's
Speaker 1: start off with the injury report. Several guys in odd
Speaker 1: practice yesterday, A lot of guys. Yeah, Hey, DeMarcus Lawrence back,
Speaker 1: I saw that. Thank you appreciate that Marcus Lawrence made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. He was not a practice yesterday and
Speaker 1: he shows up with a back injury concerns on this back.
Speaker 1: Um took me a second, Yeah, I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing over there? I reserve the right to
Speaker 1: be wrong, but it strikes me more as like a
Speaker 1: precautionary slash, let's not overdo it type of thing, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's the type of thing that's
Speaker 1: going to hold him out of this game. But it's
Speaker 1: only Thursday morning. Still, so dave of me to say,
Speaker 1: But it's like maybe he was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: pats on the back. Yeah, Pro Bowl. He was too
Speaker 1: busy patting himself on the back and couldn't make it
Speaker 1: out to practice. I saw him walking around at practice,
Speaker 1: and you know, like the veteran reporter, I am just
Speaker 1: totally forgot to ask him why he's not out there,
Speaker 1: just set there and b asked with him about other crap.
Speaker 1: And it happens Dave's sitting there writing a story going
Speaker 1: at this time. We do not know why, demark, No,
Speaker 1: You're just having a conversation there, both of you, just
Speaker 1: watching practice, seeing the guys out there. Yeah, Wait, why
Speaker 1: are you here? Yeah? Why are you? I did actually
Speaker 1: say that, like you don't need to be out there,
Speaker 1: and then it was just congratulations on the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: and then never really got the answer. But we know
Speaker 1: now it's the back. Yeah. But the fact that he was,
Speaker 1: you know, not getting rehab and the fact that he
Speaker 1: talked to the media on Tuesday, then I should have
Speaker 1: actually put this together. He was walking out of Cowboys
Speaker 1: fit really do though, probably getting some treatment. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw the l and Tyrone walking out of there as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's that called, which cryo? There's hydro, there's
Speaker 1: all they do, all kinds of stuff over there. Um,
Speaker 1: probably cryo. If I had to guess, so, were you sorry? Things?
Speaker 1: I just I mean, it remains to be seen for sure,
Speaker 1: But I don't get the impression it's something that's going
Speaker 1: to hold him out of this game. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it's late in the year, everybody's banged up. He's your
Speaker 1: best defender. You probably want to make sure he's good
Speaker 1: to go. That type of deal. So same would apply
Speaker 1: for Tyrn Smith, Lyle Collins, Anthony Hitchins maybe, um Lyle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, I think you're just in
Speaker 1: a routine with him, like he's just got to manage
Speaker 1: his back the best he can until the season's over.
Speaker 1: I'm not particularly worried about him missing the game. I
Speaker 1: get a tyranough. I get the feeling Anthony Hitchins might
Speaker 1: be okay. Tyrns, the one Tyrons, the one that Backney back, knee, hip, shoulder, whatever.
Speaker 1: Ryan already sent him out for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: I'm it's yeah, he said in on our periscope yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think it's he just put him on IR the diagnosis.
Speaker 1: I mean, people are saying sprained LCL and that's a
Speaker 1: four to six week injury. So I mean, even even
Speaker 1: if they somehow make the playoffs, you're not, you don't
Speaker 1: get that bye week. So I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: him having to play a wildcard game in two weeks.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how realistic that is. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's super realistic to think he'll be ready
Speaker 1: for the Seahawks, and then it's probably a long shot
Speaker 1: he's ready for Philly. I'm sure he is. I mean
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier this week. He's an iron man.
Speaker 1: If anybody can play through this type of stuff. It's him,
Speaker 1: and it's probably better to have him out there and
Speaker 1: not be all the way there than not. But it's
Speaker 1: just I mean, at some point, enough's enough, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's been dealing with a lot this year,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure they're gonna play that by year. Who
Speaker 1: So who is out? I mean, I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: injury report like who's gonna be out? Irving Irving's out?
Speaker 1: I think Irving Irving came out yesterday. David Irving. He
Speaker 1: suffered a concussion November thirtieth. People have kind of been
Speaker 1: wondering why he's not bouncing back quicker. He came out
Speaker 1: yesterday and said himself that he's still experiencing headaches. He's
Speaker 1: not all the way back. He's gonna take it day
Speaker 1: by day and be cautious, which he should. It's a
Speaker 1: head injury. That doesn't sound like a guy who's gonna
Speaker 1: play again this year to me, um certainly not against Seattle.
Speaker 1: He's not practicing already, So you're probably not gonna have
Speaker 1: David Irving. It's at least somewhat likely you won't have
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith. And then the other one is maybe Orlando's
Speaker 1: cancer Andricks limited. It's the first time he's been limited, right,
Speaker 1: I don't believe he had any I think he was
Speaker 1: limited last week at least once. Okay, so he's done,
Speaker 1: he's done the individuals since Mayowcent Mayo. He's got a
Speaker 1: back injury. Doesn't look like he's gonna yeah play, you're
Speaker 1: probably you're I mean, the inactives were easy last week
Speaker 1: because four of them were done, you know, before Sunday
Speaker 1: even rolled around. I have a feeling that's going to
Speaker 1: happen again this week. But John Ley limited, I think
Speaker 1: he I think he's okay. Yeah. I talked to him
Speaker 1: after the game and asking him about the back injury,
Speaker 1: and he said it didn't even come close to him
Speaker 1: actually being out of the game. But the back injury
Speaker 1: is something he has been dealing with for a while.
Speaker 1: Just because he just said, I'm just old basically so,
Speaker 1: but he didn't make it sound serious. Well that's I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, these guys show up on the injury report
Speaker 1: for one thing or another, and it's easy to forget
Speaker 1: that every single guy in that locker room is dealing
Speaker 1: with something, whether it's on the report or not. Like
Speaker 1: you jammed your finger in a drill, or you've landed
Speaker 1: funny on your wrist, or you tweaked something like. It's
Speaker 1: that time of year where every guy in that locker
Speaker 1: room probably feels pretty terrible when he gets out of
Speaker 1: bed in the morning. Like that's yeah, that's just the
Speaker 1: reality of it. So when you do what you can
Speaker 1: to fight through the guys that can, and then you
Speaker 1: know there's three or four that you're looking at that
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't look that optimistic. But it's only Thursday.
Speaker 1: We'll see how they do with two more days of
Speaker 1: practice to get ready, and at least with Tyrant's position.
Speaker 1: We saw Byron Bell come in and replace him. He
Speaker 1: did a pretty nice job. Are you guys feeling now
Speaker 1: confident with what the Cowboys are doing in that specific
Speaker 1: position in case they do not have Tyron again? I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought Bell did a nice job with Khalil Mack.
Speaker 1: I mean, but he's you know, he's not the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, but he actually seemed like he played better
Speaker 1: than what Tyrn was doing out there, you think so,
Speaker 1: I mean Tyron was struggling. I mean, he was hurt.
Speaker 1: He I mean, obviously he was hurt. And I thought
Speaker 1: I thought Belle I hate saying this, but I just
Speaker 1: thought he could compete better for that night than when
Speaker 1: what Tyrn could and now now tyrants and that was
Speaker 1: before well, you don't know when the knee injury was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you want to say he probably
Speaker 1: did early and tried to fight through it like he
Speaker 1: does everything else. But the thing about Byron Bell, he
Speaker 1: just competes. He competes better than Chaz Green did in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He's not perfect. He'll have a penalty for you. But again, Seattle,
Speaker 1: who they got Michael Bennett and those guys, Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: and Frank Clark. You're gonna talk about them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean pretty good. I don't know if that answers your question.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the best you can do. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel I feel better about it than I did
Speaker 1: coming out of Atlanta, Like I've you know, they've had
Speaker 1: to play without Tyr, and they had to play without
Speaker 1: him for one or two more games. After just one
Speaker 1: more they made it in Philly, like, I mean, he
Speaker 1: was all right, and then he made it through the
Speaker 1: end of this Oakland game. I mean, it's certainly not ideal,
Speaker 1: but I at least feel like it won't be an
Speaker 1: eight sac disaster, hopefully not maybe maybe only three. And
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler is back to being limited, and I've been
Speaker 1: receiving a lot of questions through Twitter in regards to
Speaker 1: him and his participation in this game. What are you
Speaker 1: guys expecting you practice yesterday? Yeah? I thought maybe at
Speaker 1: some point he would be a candidate for I R
Speaker 1: as well, But you know, they're He hasn't done a
Speaker 1: whole lot, even when he's been out there lately, so
Speaker 1: I don't know what their plan for him is, but
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a speed element that no one
Speaker 1: else really has. I wouldn't mind seeing him out there
Speaker 1: if he could, if he could be there, I mean,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown has been playing instead of him, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't stretch the field or anything. This is one of
Speaker 1: those again, and anybody that can fight through it, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to try to fight through it. And
Speaker 1: if they win, then you're a week away from trying
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs. And if they lose, then
Speaker 1: I bet you'll see three or four roster moves where
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we can't make the playoffs. Tiring,
Speaker 1: there's no need for you to, you know, take a seat, right,
Speaker 1: I killed Bryce not to go to Oakland. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it did, absolutely, And well, I'll be interested. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right, he does have a speed element that nobody
Speaker 1: else has, but not his foot's not feeling good. So
Speaker 1: he did more yesterday than he has at any point
Speaker 1: in the last week or two. So I mean, that's
Speaker 1: at least an encouraging sign. And I imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll take that up to Sunday if I had to guess.
Speaker 1: And yesterday we talked about Russell Wilson's ability and mobility
Speaker 1: and the way he escapes everything. With the guys showing
Speaker 1: up on the injury report, Malie Collins, David Irving, DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence on the defensive line, Yeah, how will this affect
Speaker 1: the Cowboys ability to pressure Russell? It worries the crap
Speaker 1: out of me, to be totally honest, because, like I think,
Speaker 1: I said that yesterday and I said it on a
Speaker 1: radio hit I did this morning, Like you need all
Speaker 1: hands on deck, you need all four guys that are
Speaker 1: on the field at any given time, and all eight
Speaker 1: of the guys that are playing to rally, like you
Speaker 1: need him all doing it. And DeMarcus his back is
Speaker 1: ailing him and David Irving's not going to play most likely,
Speaker 1: and MALIEK. Collins has been dealing with the foot all week,
Speaker 1: so Benson Mayowa might not play in this game. Like,
Speaker 1: you're kind of you're kind of hurting on the defensive
Speaker 1: line right now. And that's not what I want to
Speaker 1: hear when you're talking about a guy that you have
Speaker 1: to find a way to get down, shaking your head
Speaker 1: for because I am agreeing with Dave, but it's not
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, like, oh it's not a nice
Speaker 1: agree and Garrett shake like like not good, al not good, Dave. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our first break. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't remember when break time is. Before we before we
Speaker 1: take a break, let's talk about and this will be
Speaker 1: kind of quick because there wasn't a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he did so see did speak yesterday to
Speaker 1: the actual media, not in it. Wow whoa to the public,
Speaker 1: to the public, but not in a private interview with
Speaker 1: mister nick email. Okay, so tell me how that went down. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing was is I think our we kind of
Speaker 1: walked in a little bit late and then you missed
Speaker 1: it if you're late. Um one second, actually, actually listened
Speaker 1: to it this morning, and I don't know. I'd probably
Speaker 1: need to bite my tongue on this one on why
Speaker 1: it was unproductive. But he could have done a better
Speaker 1: job there for sure. And I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if he thought talking talking the day before
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I don't think so. I know
Speaker 1: there were some people in the media that were saying that,
Speaker 1: but I don't really care. I mean, it was actually
Speaker 1: a trade that was done, so it wasn't like he
Speaker 1: gave a special treatment and we made a trade. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it was is he's staying in front
Speaker 1: of his locker, he's this is the first time that
Speaker 1: everybody really gets to see what he's doing, what he's about.
Speaker 1: He could have done a better job, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: PR staff could have done a better job as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody couldn't And so for those who do
Speaker 1: not know what happened, but yeah, what happened was he
Speaker 1: was out there and people were asking him questions about
Speaker 1: the suspension, why he was doing during his time off
Speaker 1: all that, and he was very specific that he did
Speaker 1: not want to speak about any of that, and people
Speaker 1: kept asking him different ways over and over, and he
Speaker 1: just kind of walked out. Yeah, I mean, he said,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to talk about that. That's in
Speaker 1: the past. I want to talk about the few you
Speaker 1: want to play it? Just yeah, yeah, if you got it,
Speaker 1: play it. We have time. Yeah, let me pull it up.
Speaker 1: Give him about three and a half seconds. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 1: he just he was asked that. He was politely said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it anymore. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that the follow up questions were really you
Speaker 1: know that they were trying to follow up that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought they were kind of different, so I just
Speaker 1: weren't specific to this is the court case or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, this first time, he's trying to kind
Speaker 1: of change things and change his image. I hope he was.
Speaker 1: He's trying to. He needed a little bit more patience there.
Speaker 1: All right, how much have you grown? And how much
Speaker 1: of people learned? Um? Well, I'm not really gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's behind me. Um. You know, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to start a new page, a new chapter, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to I'm gonna think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's Cowboys organization for being behind me things for my
Speaker 1: family and my team and my friends. For just supporting
Speaker 1: me through the time, and you know, especially to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans who stuck by me through this tough time
Speaker 1: and uh having all faith in me. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about anymore. This's gonna be the last
Speaker 1: time you hear me speak about it, so please don't
Speaker 1: even ask me about it. It was great, you know,
Speaker 1: the energy was high. I missed all the guys, they
Speaker 1: missed me, and we're excited to continue the season here.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna talk about the project. I keep talking
Speaker 1: about what you get the last things week? No, what
Speaker 1: about the documentary? And what message do you want to?
Speaker 1: Just watch? You tell me the message you get. I
Speaker 1: don't know when you're conditioning. I'm ready to talk about
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. I'm ready talk about the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking of it anymore. You don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about that, thank you? That's yeah, that I mean,
Speaker 1: I can see why that last one aggravated him, but
Speaker 1: the ones before that, I don't. But even the question
Speaker 1: about the documentary, you're you've been working on this documentary,
Speaker 1: which is about yourself. You need to promote it. You
Speaker 1: want to people to at least give them a little
Speaker 1: bit of information for them to want to watch it.
Speaker 1: I want to find out more. He's going to help
Speaker 1: you promote it. Well, that's well, whether he's right or wrong,
Speaker 1: he doesn't think he needs help with that, clearly, Mike.
Speaker 1: He'll put it out and him and his people will
Speaker 1: put it out when and how they see fit, and
Speaker 1: people will watch it. And he I mean, you know that,
Speaker 1: and I get I think that's part of it. Is Uh,
Speaker 1: in this day and age, when you have you know,
Speaker 1: when Twitter exists and you can speak directly to your audience.
Speaker 1: He doesn't think he needs the media, which maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of where I fall on it.
Speaker 1: Is like you know, I I work in the media.
Speaker 1: I understand their role and their you know what, their
Speaker 1: their duties. I understand why they ask those types of questions.
Speaker 1: They're well within their right to do it. I understand
Speaker 1: why he doesn't want to talk about it, and he's
Speaker 1: well within his rights to blow it off if he
Speaker 1: doesn't want it. Yeah, I mean I can see both
Speaker 1: sides of it. I thought I thought he could have
Speaker 1: handled it a little better, just in terms of maybe
Speaker 1: um image, you know, like your first real public appearance.
Speaker 1: Since you come back from this this issue, you want
Speaker 1: to put forward as good foot, as good a food
Speaker 1: as possible. But at the same time, like I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't think he needs to do that, and he
Speaker 1: might not be wrong. He can speak to his audience
Speaker 1: however he wants, and uh, there's there's millions of cowboys,
Speaker 1: fans and his friends and his family who've got his
Speaker 1: back regardless. So um, like I said, he's well within
Speaker 1: his rights to do whatever he wants. But I personally
Speaker 1: thought that could have gone a lot better. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: with the first thing that's out of his mouth is
Speaker 1: this is a new chapter for me. I'm going to
Speaker 1: turn the page. But it doesn't look like it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's a new chapter. I mean, it
Speaker 1: looks like the same type of you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a standoffice about it. You know. I thought
Speaker 1: the setting could have been different. And I understand that
Speaker 1: this is where they do their interviews. You know, we've
Speaker 1: we've complained for fifteen years that a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys don't need to be in front of their locker.
Speaker 1: It's it's tough for everyone to get those done. And
Speaker 1: I think that if you would have pushed it to
Speaker 1: the side and maybe, um, you know, maybe at the podium,
Speaker 1: you know, like like Garrett is. I think that would
Speaker 1: have probably brought a little bit more attention to it
Speaker 1: and awareness to Zeke. Think, hey, this is kind of different,
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. Let's let's let's or maybe
Speaker 1: do the kind of what Romo did. He went up there,
Speaker 1: he didn't really I answer any questions. This is what
Speaker 1: I want to say, this is what I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: and that's basically it. Yeah, I thought the same thing yesterday.
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know what, they could have done that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's not really gonna talk, you know,
Speaker 1: he wants to say what he only wants to say,
Speaker 1: then maybe that would have been a good approach as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I I can see both sides, like
Speaker 1: I know exactly Derek. Oh hey it's Derek Eagleton. Are
Speaker 1: you talking about me saying whatever I want to say? Actually,
Speaker 1: just played the Zeke video or audio. We're not going
Speaker 1: to play it the whole thing again. We could. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like it takes up a huge chunk of
Speaker 1: the show. I assume you guys felt like he did
Speaker 1: something wrong yesterday. I don't. I mean, the whole thing was.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we said, the whole the whole thing.
Speaker 1: They could have handled it differently. I mean I think
Speaker 1: they could have put it in a different spot because
Speaker 1: this is different, This is not that, it's not normal
Speaker 1: that this happens. And I think that, you know, he
Speaker 1: said he wanted to turn the durn the page and
Speaker 1: new chapter, but it didn't really look that way. I
Speaker 1: thought his patience was not where it needs to be
Speaker 1: for this first time. Before two weeks into this and
Speaker 1: he's still haven't asked questions. I get it, but this
Speaker 1: first time, Yeah, I don't think they were that bad either,
Speaker 1: especially what if he wants to promote a documentary. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're asking about the documentary. So honestly, he just did
Speaker 1: himself with this service. I honestly don't feel like that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I like, I don't think he
Speaker 1: did anything wrong, And like I keep saying, like he
Speaker 1: has a prerogative to do what he did. He's well
Speaker 1: within his right to do whatever the hell he wants
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, Like, he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: answer those questions if he doesn't want to, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't owe the media that. But when you're coming back
Speaker 1: from the situation that, he is like, why are you
Speaker 1: why are you trying to like we create enemies with
Speaker 1: the press, and just like put out that image of
Speaker 1: you being this standoff ish, surly dude. Like I get it,
Speaker 1: you're probably mad about what happened, but you're not doing
Speaker 1: yourself any favors by getting off on that foot. You know.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of a quote that I heard one time.
Speaker 1: I heard somebody in this building, one of the people
Speaker 1: in the exact team, saying, you don't You'll never win
Speaker 1: a bear, You'll never win an argument with someone that
Speaker 1: buys ink by the barrel, Like it's you just won't.
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many players, and the first
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind is to you never, you
Speaker 1: will never win. You were about to say that, No,
Speaker 1: I have said it earlier, like five minutes ago, about
Speaker 1: about they get the last laugh, as CEO is finding
Speaker 1: out right now, exactly right, And you can be that
Speaker 1: way with the media. But when the media gets the vote,
Speaker 1: if you're a first ballot hat famer, so you have
Speaker 1: you have a right. He has a total right and
Speaker 1: is well within his rights to say man I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about that, and that's okay. The problem
Speaker 1: is how you talk to people and how you manage people. Um,
Speaker 1: we we'll dictate number one, how they deal with you
Speaker 1: and how they talk of you. And I just think
Speaker 1: that he did himself a disservice more than anything else.
Speaker 1: And that's and that'll that'll be He'll have to deal
Speaker 1: with the consequences of that at some point. You miss
Speaker 1: that point when you weren't here, but I was. I
Speaker 1: get the impression he doesn't think he needs the media
Speaker 1: the way that people did years ago. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can put your movie out however you want. You
Speaker 1: can tweet your own message to your own fans however
Speaker 1: you so ill conceived. Oh no, that's right. He I
Speaker 1: know he doesn't understand. I know that, but I think
Speaker 1: that's what he thinks, right, Um, so we'll see. And
Speaker 1: the other thing is, for whatever gets I mean, for
Speaker 1: the Skip Baylisses and the stephen A. Smith's of the world,
Speaker 1: the Dallas media has not been hard on Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: Oh they've really been on his side with the whole thing. Yeah, honest, exactly.
Speaker 1: And here's the here's the problem of what happened yesterday
Speaker 1: for him is last night as I'm perusing through different
Speaker 1: media outlets here in the Dallas area, as I was
Speaker 1: listening to talk radio as I was driving home, he
Speaker 1: is getting absolutely slammed by the local media. And it's
Speaker 1: more because the narrative now is he's a petulant um
Speaker 1: little you know, little little man, little guy that that
Speaker 1: just doesn't doesn't understand how to handle himself as an adult.
Speaker 1: That was the narrative, right, and well that's right or wrong.
Speaker 1: You say that over and over and over again, and
Speaker 1: all those people that are influenced by listening and reading
Speaker 1: that stuff, what they start to think over time is, uh,
Speaker 1: you add in the allegations, You add in the video
Speaker 1: of him pulling the top down, a little of the
Speaker 1: young lady, You add in that yesterday, and it creates
Speaker 1: this narrative. Now he's helping to create the negative narrative
Speaker 1: about himself, that he is an immature, petulant kid rather
Speaker 1: than an adult who really understands kind of what his
Speaker 1: role is here and the image that he should be
Speaker 1: putting out there, which the counter to that is Zeke
Speaker 1: will tell you and millions of die hard Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: will tell you like, I don't give a damn. You
Speaker 1: don't know them anything. Keep doing you nice to say,
Speaker 1: it isn't which, well it is nice to say and like,
Speaker 1: and you're not entirely wrong, you're not. But he had
Speaker 1: a chance to win over a lot of good will
Speaker 1: with a lot of people who aren't just in his camp,
Speaker 1: you know, like people that are on the fence about
Speaker 1: him or people who don't like him. He had a
Speaker 1: chance to earn some good will there and he decided
Speaker 1: not to take. And I'll give you the example that
Speaker 1: I mentioned, Teo. Think about it like this. TiO never,
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, broke a single law, like in his
Speaker 1: whole time of his career, never actually did anything that
Speaker 1: was illegal that he was talked, that was talked about,
Speaker 1: or that was attached his name. But you ask any
Speaker 1: fan whether they are a big fan of t or not,
Speaker 1: that you ask him what they think of him as
Speaker 1: a person, and I guarantee you nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten the impression of him is negative exactly. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there are gonna be a lot of fans that right
Speaker 1: now are like, man, you don't have to say nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: screw the media. But the fact is, you keep hearing
Speaker 1: the same narrative over in Oh. It's how people are
Speaker 1: manipulated sometimes by the media. There's a lot of studies
Speaker 1: on this stuff. But all I'm saying is he didn't
Speaker 1: do himself any favors yesterday by the way. He handled
Speaker 1: totally within his rights to do it the way he did.
Speaker 1: He just didn't do him himself any favor. I do
Speaker 1: think there's a difference between you know, obviously TiO and
Speaker 1: now because to needed the media as much as the
Speaker 1: media needed him, and he knew that and he just
Speaker 1: played that game with them for But Zeke doesn't feel
Speaker 1: that way. And it's a different world. It's a different
Speaker 1: time now when you've got guys that you can you
Speaker 1: know that you can put it out your own social stuff,
Speaker 1: and then you have your teammates that retweet it. And
Speaker 1: on the promotion side, you're absolutely right, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it's getting less and less where professional athletes, especially
Speaker 1: those that are very popular, need the media in order
Speaker 1: to promote what they want to promote. But the fly
Speaker 1: side of that is the media is still in a
Speaker 1: lot of instances controls the narrative on what people think
Speaker 1: of a particular break and that's where it can be
Speaker 1: problematic for a guy like him, especially guy like him
Speaker 1: that right now is facing a lot of things that
Speaker 1: people are saying about him that and some that he
Speaker 1: feels aren't even true. And it sucks because when you're writing,
Speaker 1: and that happened for me yesterday, you know, it was
Speaker 1: completely disappointing because I expected a seat that was coming
Speaker 1: back a little different, a different attitude, and then we
Speaker 1: get that, which, again, like you guys said, it is
Speaker 1: totally fine, fine, but when you're writing a story, you're
Speaker 1: trying to take out your personal feelings of how you
Speaker 1: feel about this person and kind of write in a different,
Speaker 1: you know, very different perspective of just overall keep it.
Speaker 1: I'm biased, and it's hard, it's hard to give to
Speaker 1: take those feelings out, and it took me a lot
Speaker 1: of work, but I did it. I did it. I
Speaker 1: wrote a pretty nice article. It's spanished, you know. And
Speaker 1: it happens like that too. Like I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in people give people in the media give benefit of
Speaker 1: doubt to people they like exactly. You know, there are
Speaker 1: guys who probably got the benefit of the doubt for
Speaker 1: a year or two, for a year or two playing
Speaker 1: when they were probably not as good as they were,
Speaker 1: but people, because they liked them, they were unwilling to say, man,
Speaker 1: that guy's not playing very well. They would say stuff like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's not what he used to be,
Speaker 1: he's getting a little older. But right, they make excuses
Speaker 1: for the guy because they like the guy, where it's
Speaker 1: completely the opposite side if they don't like it, if
Speaker 1: they don't like you, maybe even when your production is
Speaker 1: still there, they're like, man, is the production worth the headache?
Speaker 1: Like those kind of things start being said, right, and
Speaker 1: and so I think, again, you don't have to play
Speaker 1: the game. None of these players have to play the
Speaker 1: game with the media. You don't. But understand the consequences
Speaker 1: of not playing the game means that you're going to
Speaker 1: accept the consequences of not playing along. And and so
Speaker 1: that's what I think Zeke has to understand it. Maybe
Speaker 1: he does, and maybe he's decided I'm willing to deal
Speaker 1: with those consequences because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm good enough where it won't matter.
Speaker 1: And that's well within his right. It's worked out for
Speaker 1: plenty of other players too. For the I mean, has
Speaker 1: it I would argue, Yeah, give me some examples. Randy
Speaker 1: Moss was Randy Moss a problem with the media. He
Speaker 1: was like just a problem in general. But no, that's
Speaker 1: a different there's a difference there. Why don't we think
Speaker 1: about that after this break one? Okay, take a break,
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Speaker 1: the Star. Appreciate you guys joining us. Even though I
Speaker 1: was a little bit late. I apologize. We appreciate you
Speaker 1: join us. Derek. Yeah. I try to do what I
Speaker 1: can do when I can do it. Um, So, did
Speaker 1: you guys have a chance? Why are you looking at
Speaker 1: my head? Man? Am I you would look like what
Speaker 1: are you looking at? No, I'm looking at the SWBC
Speaker 1: mortgage uh signage over here that they sponsored this. It's
Speaker 1: just jealous. He can't grow enough. Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: He wants to be like me. Definitely, definitely, y'all make
Speaker 1: me And I was like you when I was in
Speaker 1: seventh grade at five ten, and then I moved, Wow, Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go there like that. Actually, I just what's
Speaker 1: up with you? Wow? They even gave you an inch?
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, Okay, we're gonna go like that. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrestle like you did back in the fraternity days.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm seeing you pick up a co
Speaker 1: worker and slam him on a cousin, a co worker. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was in my department. Well, okay, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: did y'all have a chance to think about that? Give
Speaker 1: me some examples, like when has this worked out for
Speaker 1: a player that just basically kind of blew off the
Speaker 1: media regularly and and that worked out well for them?
Speaker 1: Larry Allen different, I mean, Larry, Larry allowing off the
Speaker 1: media is blowing off the media. Yeah, But I think
Speaker 1: the difference is because if you're gonna do that, you
Speaker 1: could say the entire offensive line for ten fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they had a bad relationship with
Speaker 1: the media. Because here's the thing. The one thing that
Speaker 1: you will notice even when an offensive lineman won't talk
Speaker 1: on camera. You'll always see one or two guys that'll
Speaker 1: walk up to them and they'll have conversations. They just
Speaker 1: don't want to be on camera doing it, but they'll
Speaker 1: talk together. They lean talked back back in the day,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially Nate. Nate talked all the time, talked
Speaker 1: too much sometimes, but but no, I mean's why he
Speaker 1: has a job in the media. Yeah, Larry Allen is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1: And he didn't he didn't talk and it was okay,
Speaker 1: you know it was it was just it was okay,
Speaker 1: Now it wasn't it wasn't standoffish, which wait, okay. The difference, well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna you can apply that. Tyrant Smith's the
Speaker 1: same way right now, Like you gotta twist his arm
Speaker 1: to get him to give you like a minute of
Speaker 1: audio and don't even try to do like video interview.
Speaker 1: And it's like like, but there's a different I know,
Speaker 1: he's like he's not a jerk. He would prefer not
Speaker 1: to do it. And he's not a great quote anyway.
Speaker 1: So nobody really like you know, cores like like I
Speaker 1: know there's gold in there, Tyrn, Like come on, talk to.
Speaker 1: It's just like gold and here or here, he's like
Speaker 1: he's just not a talkative dude, really nice though, like right,
Speaker 1: it don't have a bad word to say about him,
Speaker 1: but he does not do the media. I mean, I
Speaker 1: honestly think it's one of the reasons, and it's one
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that I think endears as
Speaker 1: much as they give him flat. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the things that endears the media to Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: is despite the fact that they've ride him incessantly, like
Speaker 1: they're always finding things and he gives them a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about. Right. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Jerry ever takes it personally. It
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he ever gets to a point like
Speaker 1: we see it every year training camp. There's a guy
Speaker 1: here locally in Dallas probably has as much bad as
Speaker 1: many bad things to say about Jerry as anybody, and
Speaker 1: every year training camp, Jerry is quick to mention him
Speaker 1: by name in that opening press conference that he's there,
Speaker 1: which by the way, would probably be the only press
Speaker 1: conference he attends all year. And but but it's that
Speaker 1: kind of thing where Jerry's just like he doesn't take
Speaker 1: it personally, and he still understands the media is there
Speaker 1: to do their job. He's gonna not. He understands and
Speaker 1: respects the fact they have to do a job, and
Speaker 1: that just that's the end of it. And I think
Speaker 1: it's so much smarter to handle the media that way
Speaker 1: than the other way, because I really can't think of
Speaker 1: an instance where somebody was really just bad with the
Speaker 1: media and that ended up working out. Yeah, good publicity,
Speaker 1: bad publicity. Jerry just hears the second word. He just
Speaker 1: hears the publicity like good. I mean, I businessman, you're
Speaker 1: talking about me. Good. Bad, But they're still talking about me.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's he's the goat. This isn't
Speaker 1: I'm seeing some comments on Twitter, and I just want
Speaker 1: to remind people that be locked and loaded here. Not
Speaker 1: everything you see is necessarily the reality of things. Something
Speaker 1: that you see on a video isn't necessarily how it's
Speaker 1: in reality. So the media that is actually in the
Speaker 1: locker room, well, four times a week for whatever, forty
Speaker 1: five minutes or however long it is, five if you
Speaker 1: count the game, well yeah five, you're in there. They
Speaker 1: are in there, and they get to see the true
Speaker 1: personality of these guys. So just keep in mind that
Speaker 1: because I'm saying that this isn't a fair conversation that
Speaker 1: Sik is cooperating blah blah. And I'm not just talking
Speaker 1: about Sik, just in general, keep in mind not everything
Speaker 1: that you see is how it is some next levels.
Speaker 1: True is true, It's very true, But I mean, I
Speaker 1: just I'm missing the point there of what kind of
Speaker 1: what you're well, I'm seen comments in an agreement would
Speaker 1: seek you know, he's cooperating, blah blah. This isn't a
Speaker 1: fair argument. And it's yeah, you can say that he
Speaker 1: does the interviews and stuff, but we have seen him
Speaker 1: off camera. Okay, we have seen his attitude certain times.
Speaker 1: We know how these players are, you know, or like
Speaker 1: how maybe Dez gets before he steps in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. You know, the hassle that it is to
Speaker 1: get him in front of the camera. I got you.
Speaker 1: So just because you see a video of him talking
Speaker 1: to the media doesn't oh yeah he's great, which I've
Speaker 1: said multiple times on this, like he did cooperate, He
Speaker 1: held up his end of the bargain, like and he
Speaker 1: doesn't owe anybody answers to any questions. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about. But it you know, it's the it's
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion and perceptions, and so you're
Speaker 1: not in control of that. Like you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to catch up. We're talking to a fan base right
Speaker 1: now that I think ninety five percent of them just
Speaker 1: want him to run the football, no doubt. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just run that ball. You know, you've served your time
Speaker 1: this season. This season is gonna be not what we
Speaker 1: what we wanted it to be because of that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to the fact that this team
Speaker 1: will be in ten and six or nine and seven,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, doesn't matter. That six game suspension absolutely killed them.
Speaker 1: Killed this team, and they everyone knows they don't make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That in my opinion, will be the reason.
Speaker 1: Even if they make the playoffs at ten and six
Speaker 1: and they're the sixth seed and they go to the
Speaker 1: third seed and they lose to the New Orleans let's
Speaker 1: say that they're the three. You know you're not you
Speaker 1: say you don't win up there. This it still killed
Speaker 1: them because that they could have done things. They could
Speaker 1: have maybe won this divison, maybe one that doubtful, and
Speaker 1: win in the division. But they realize that at times
Speaker 1: in the last decade, ten and six is good enough
Speaker 1: to get you a bye week. Yeah, yeah, just for
Speaker 1: whatever that's This happens to be one of those years
Speaker 1: when the NFC is just ridiculously better than average and
Speaker 1: TFC is awful and they won a lot of those games.
Speaker 1: Cowboys will probably be in the playoffs right now, they're
Speaker 1: in the AFC. To your point, Zeke has and he
Speaker 1: made he went out of his way to thank the
Speaker 1: fans in the longest answer he gave like he's got
Speaker 1: a lot of people that completely agree with him and
Speaker 1: have his back, and that's so I completely understand why
Speaker 1: he handled it the way he did. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that either don't care or completely agree
Speaker 1: with him. And all the fine too. In all fairness
Speaker 1: on that, I mean, we were told the exact same thing, Nick.
Speaker 1: I know you did the one on one with him,
Speaker 1: but we were told before that that by not only Zeke,
Speaker 1: but by his representatives. He does not want to talk
Speaker 1: about the past. He wants to move forward, he wants
Speaker 1: to look forward, and so this was not something that
Speaker 1: was any different than than what we were told as well.
Speaker 1: I think this is kind of his mentality when he
Speaker 1: was coming back was I really don't want to rehash
Speaker 1: all that. I want to kind of move forward and
Speaker 1: let that stuff go because and that might be best
Speaker 1: for him, Like he can't go around being bitter and
Speaker 1: angry about it. And so part of maybe being not
Speaker 1: being bitter and angry means I got to move on.
Speaker 1: I can't really focus on what happened in the past. Well,
Speaker 1: but when I I mean I asked him about his auditioning, yeah,
Speaker 1: let you ask yeah, yeah, I answered those about what
Speaker 1: he's learned. Yeah, you know the message has he cleared
Speaker 1: his name, So he answered a little bit more there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he probably gave us a little more difference
Speaker 1: because of the location because there was just one on one.
Speaker 1: But the fact is, again he was very adamant and
Speaker 1: his people were very adamant. They didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about the past before we did the interview, and that's true.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that he gave the media anything
Speaker 1: different than what I think. He came back with an
Speaker 1: intention I'm not going to talk about this stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna move forward, and whatever is going to be talked about,
Speaker 1: we'll be talked about. Based upon the documentary, yeah, which
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Amer I heard you say a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier when I was heading down to Shaw.
Speaker 1: I was listening and you were like, he could have
Speaker 1: done a better job promoting against documentary. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: why you do junkets and that kind of thing is
Speaker 1: because you want to talk a little bit about it
Speaker 1: to get people excited to want to watch it. And
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying, Dave, Yeah he could. He
Speaker 1: can definitely push it out there, but there's a whole
Speaker 1: other side of that of getting people excited about watching it,
Speaker 1: and that to me is the option. Again, he only
Speaker 1: missed opportunities yesterday. He didn't do anything wrong. He just
Speaker 1: missed opportunities to put himself in a better position. That's
Speaker 1: how I feel. And that's like, I think that's that's
Speaker 1: on him. It's a sinct way to say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's actually, you know we need to do.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and get that second break. When we
Speaker 1: get that second break, we'll come back and Dave, are
Speaker 1: you going to give us a Scoutter report on the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seak defense? I sure can. All right, let's do that.
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get some questions from you guys as well.
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Speaker 1: the day as you could throw out Kenny easily. This. No,
Speaker 1: he's in the Hall of Fame now, okay, he's sorry, right, sorry,
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. Okay. I just wanted they did some
Speaker 1: hard work too, is part of this out. Uh, this
Speaker 1: Seattle defense is a lot like the fall of the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire, you know, like they've been on you guys,
Speaker 1: don't care whatever. No, I'm sorry, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: What I got caught up there? I should have done that.
Speaker 1: I felt really good about that line, like about the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire, and y'all just talked right through it. No
Speaker 1: welcome world. Yeah, Uh, this defense has been one of
Speaker 1: the best in the league for the better part of
Speaker 1: a decade, and they're not right now. Uh well, mostly
Speaker 1: because of injuries. I mean, let's go back through it.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's on injured reserve, Cam Chancellor's on injured reserve.
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner played last week, but he's I mean, his
Speaker 1: hamstring is bad and he did not look like Bobby Wagner.
Speaker 1: Cliff Avril is out. Um, I feel like I'm missing
Speaker 1: one more. We know, Earl Thomas's Earl Thomas is gimpie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. All right. So I just listed basically five
Speaker 1: of their six best defenders, like the one and most
Speaker 1: of that's in their secondary, which is the strength I
Speaker 1: think of their defense. kJ right still there and Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett's still there. Other than that, Bennett can be a handful.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, oh, I mean this this despite all that,
Speaker 1: these guys still have a lot of talent. Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: is your left end. Frank Clark, who Brian absolutely loved
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft, is your right end. They
Speaker 1: traded for Sheldon Richardson, they have Giron reed. Like, in
Speaker 1: spite of everything, this is still a first und second,
Speaker 1: still a really good defensive line. Um. Bobby Wagner, for
Speaker 1: my money is either he's one of the three best
Speaker 1: middle linebackers in the league. I mean him, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: and Luke Keakley are like the three in my opinion. Uh,
Speaker 1: he made the Pro Bowl. Wagner, yes, he's he's amazing,
Speaker 1: but he does not look amazing right now. If you
Speaker 1: go watch the tape of them against the Rams, basically sorry,
Speaker 1: basically everything that happened, it's because Bobby Wagner isn't playing
Speaker 1: like himself. Todd Gurley murdered them single handedly four touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I don't have the rushing total off hand, but he
Speaker 1: was just chunking ten, fourteen, sixteen yards. It really was obvious.
Speaker 1: I actually saw the Rams broke this play down on
Speaker 1: their telestrator on Twitter last night. Third and twenty, just
Speaker 1: an absolute give up play. They run a draw to
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley and Bobby Wagner didn't get there on time,
Speaker 1: and he went fifty seven yards for a touchdown twenty one,
Speaker 1: third and twenty. Like that's the type of thing that
Speaker 1: you see, you know, college college teams. That's so you know,
Speaker 1: it's just not your day. You're gonna Bobby Wagner. I
Speaker 1: mean he's he read the play and he just couldn't
Speaker 1: get there in time. And by the time he missed
Speaker 1: on the tackle, Todd Gurley's in the secondary and just
Speaker 1: splitting the safety. It was bad. And like it's it's
Speaker 1: striking watching this team's last three games because they don't
Speaker 1: they don't look like themselves. Go back to Seattle two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. This kid, Kirie Cole or Kyrie Cole, comes
Speaker 1: out of a bunch formation. There's confusion about which linebackers
Speaker 1: supposed to carry him, and then the safeties forget about
Speaker 1: him because, as you know, Chancellor's not there and Thomas
Speaker 1: is not himself, and all of a sudden, he's twenty
Speaker 1: yards behind the coverage. Like you just haven't seen Seattle
Speaker 1: given up plays like this and forever, which and their
Speaker 1: mediocre across the board. They're fifteenth and total defense, they're
Speaker 1: thirteenth and passing defense, they're seventeenth and run defense, and
Speaker 1: they're twelfth in points per game. They're giving up twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, which fun for the Cowboys. The last two
Speaker 1: opponents have given you the blueprint for how to do it.
Speaker 1: You had Leonard Fournette and Todd Gurley. Honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: what a week for Ezekiel Elliott to be back, because
Speaker 1: if they look like this, I mean it should be
Speaker 1: there for him. Honestly, I think it should be the
Speaker 1: big thing for me is the pass rush. Bennett and
Speaker 1: Clark can they erect this thing if Tyron Smith's not
Speaker 1: in there, And I think that'll be a problem. I
Speaker 1: think Zeke's gonna need to stay in and do some
Speaker 1: pass pro and Jason Witten and the tight ends are
Speaker 1: going to have to have a role. That's the like
Speaker 1: and we talked about that with Khalil Mack and Bruce
Speaker 1: Irvan last week, is like, those are the strength of
Speaker 1: your team and you can't let them reck stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: they kind of did, like I mean, they had a
Speaker 1: hard time with those two guys in spite of everything
Speaker 1: last week. The one thing to say about that, though,
Speaker 1: is that we haven't really seen that happen when Zeke's
Speaker 1: been a part of things, And mainly it's because Drew
Speaker 1: Cowboys offensively don't put them in themselves in a position
Speaker 1: where they can't get wrecked because they're not passing a
Speaker 1: ton like they're running the ball consistently. They're running it
Speaker 1: well and again, if it works out the way that
Speaker 1: it worked out last week for the Rams, where they're
Speaker 1: having a hard time stopping the run, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna keep giving it to them in the run, and
Speaker 1: that slows down your pass rush because you now have
Speaker 1: to be concerned about the guy just dashing past you
Speaker 1: and now getting into the second level if I I mean,
Speaker 1: I always talk way more simplified than they do, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I would just run right at them. Yeah, their
Speaker 1: enforcer in the middle is hurt, and they're you know,
Speaker 1: bam bam cam. Probably the best strong safety in the
Speaker 1: league not there, yep. I would run right at the
Speaker 1: middle of the defense. Don't even try anything cute. I
Speaker 1: love those stretch plays where Zeke gets to the boundary
Speaker 1: and then finds though I don't even know why you
Speaker 1: would bother with that, because your left tackle might not
Speaker 1: play and their best two defensive linemen are on the edge.
Speaker 1: I would run straight up the middle of this defense
Speaker 1: and see if they can handle it. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and thirteen yards per game. But
Speaker 1: the one thing I will say is if you're if
Speaker 1: your middle linebacker has a hamstring issue, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to get him running sore. Running those stretch plays,
Speaker 1: to me, is a good thing as much in as
Speaker 1: frequently as you like, just if nothing else, make him run,
Speaker 1: Make him run a lot, because it's not hamstring angle
Speaker 1: get better during the game. If he's running a lot,
Speaker 1: well that's if you can get the running game going,
Speaker 1: play action and not. I mean, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: take like these crazy shots like get guys running across
Speaker 1: the field. Terrence Williams, Jason Witney. I love boots and
Speaker 1: waggles and they work. So that's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: It's good stuff, you guys. This is this is a
Speaker 1: shell of what they what you're used to seeing from Seattle.
Speaker 1: There's there less two games Jacksonville and Jacksonville in the
Speaker 1: Rim thirty and forty forty two. I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: seventy two points. They've probably gone when they were at
Speaker 1: their their peak. You know, they've probably gone eight eight
Speaker 1: games with seventy two points. It's it's it's not it's
Speaker 1: something to see when you like when you put it
Speaker 1: on tape and you're like, oh my god, Like i mean,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's offense is not a juggernaut. Like no, all the
Speaker 1: defense is really good. Lake Portles is out of nowhere
Speaker 1: playing the best like month of his touchdowns no interception,
Speaker 1: it's three or four games. Um. But even at that though,
Speaker 1: my point is they heat. Their offense has not been
Speaker 1: what they've been doing great this year. They run the
Speaker 1: ball really well and they play great defense. Right if
Speaker 1: you pull up you know on NFL game Pass, they
Speaker 1: have the little menu where it tells you what the
Speaker 1: play is, and it's like t Gurley second and ten
Speaker 1: six yards third and four fourteen yards first and ten
Speaker 1: sixteen yards just like just one after another. Wow, it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, So, how well did did did four Nette
Speaker 1: play that game? How will the hum run well enough?
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't pull up the final box score,
Speaker 1: but I mean he had two rushing touchdowns and was
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't do girly? I mean gurly. I
Speaker 1: have to believe that's like the highest fantasy total of
Speaker 1: the year. Barely went crazy. Yeah, but Fournette played well
Speaker 1: against them. They didn't do a good job of stopping him.
Speaker 1: So it's obvious that there are a lot of areas
Speaker 1: to exploit. What do you guys think are some areas
Speaker 1: that you would you would say, hey, this is what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys really need to do to take advantage of
Speaker 1: this defense. Um to take advantage of the defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like what Dave said about running the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: right at him. I think that what Zeke will do
Speaker 1: having him there, I think we'll we'll just stretch, stretch
Speaker 1: things out more. I want to see more passes down
Speaker 1: down the field some I mean, I think I absolutely
Speaker 1: love the flea flicker that they did, and I know
Speaker 1: that they missed it, but you know what that taking
Speaker 1: the deep shots out there, It was there, The pass
Speaker 1: was was right where it need to be, and you
Speaker 1: know Terrence has dropped it. I mean, but I like
Speaker 1: stretching it out a little bit more, especially when you
Speaker 1: have Zeke. So I just think, use fifty three yards wide,
Speaker 1: use the whole field, and with Zeke out there, I
Speaker 1: think you're going to see these receivers make a little
Speaker 1: more plays down the field. The Cowboys are in absolute
Speaker 1: advantage right now, especially with zig back and the Seahawks
Speaker 1: defense in the past as being a defense that I
Speaker 1: personally do not like just because of how aggressive they play,
Speaker 1: and it just like would worry me all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna really hurt somebody.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't like them in the sense that
Speaker 1: you don't like to play them, not that you don't
Speaker 1: think they're good. No, that's the point. They're just too good,
Speaker 1: too aggressive, and too like, don't damage our players, you
Speaker 1: know type of things. They've already done that once or twice. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: But I don't feel that way right now with all
Speaker 1: the injuries they have and how their team is looking
Speaker 1: at this point. Pretty excited about this game, you know.
Speaker 1: I'll say this about the Dallas and Seattle. I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have been built to beat them, even when
Speaker 1: they were really good. In twenty fourteen. Dallas was better
Speaker 1: that day out there and ran the ball right over him.
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, Seattle was still good. Cowboys were not, but
Speaker 1: they had chances to win. I mean, I think was
Speaker 1: it thirteen to twelve that they should have won. They
Speaker 1: should have won that game. They played really really well
Speaker 1: that day. So I just think that for some reason,
Speaker 1: they match up well when it's just the styles match
Speaker 1: up well. So in this case, with Seattle struggling the
Speaker 1: way they do, the Cowboys still kind of play their game.
Speaker 1: I agree with her. I think, I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be in a good, good shape to run the
Speaker 1: ball and kind of they should have the advantage here.
Speaker 1: My main memory of that game, which worries me for
Speaker 1: this game is like the Seahawks just I don't think
Speaker 1: they even bothered running a play where Russell Wilson was
Speaker 1: in the pocket, like he was just moving troubling around
Speaker 1: to get immediately and they could already have a great
Speaker 1: kind of have to. Russell Wilson won, right, Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: won that game because Hardy like picked him off on
Speaker 1: a tipped pass or something and Russell Wilson like grabbed
Speaker 1: Hardy's ankle or else it would have been a pick
Speaker 1: six to take the lead in the fourth and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys shocking that Cowboys offense couldn't score a touchdown from
Speaker 1: like the Seattle fifteen. Just that what an awful who
Speaker 1: was a quarter who's the quarterback Castle's second or third
Speaker 1: start that season was so dreadful that sounds so far away.
Speaker 1: It was like I think they were I think they
Speaker 1: were down thirteen to ten, and Hardy gave him the
Speaker 1: ball in like basically in the Seattle red zone, and
Speaker 1: they ran like three plays and kicked a field goal.
Speaker 1: It was so disheartening. Three plays two yards. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: that's horrible. All right, let's get some questions. You guys
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Speaker 1: Let's get a question from Twitter. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: that Dak is just taking too long to make it
Speaker 1: a se with the ball, whether it's throwing it or
Speaker 1: making it play with his feet. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's taking too long. I think he would love
Speaker 1: to throw it if they were open. I think the
Speaker 1: receivers take too long to get open. I think or
Speaker 1: don't get open. Yeah. I mean you can get open
Speaker 1: eventually eventually. Yeah, but you know, I got so much time.
Speaker 1: I know, Like, do you think I could eventually get
Speaker 1: open on Patrick Peter? So eventually? No? No, you would
Speaker 1: get tired before you could get open. You would eventually
Speaker 1: spat man. I give up, man, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: Like there is a certain class of quarterback. Nope, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking it open. I'm thinking of Mickey Spagnola. Right now.
Speaker 1: Like in a there's a certain class of quarterback where
Speaker 1: I can just hear Mickey go, come on, get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball, just like you know, just hate like,
Speaker 1: But I don't ever think that with Dak, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not ever sitting there. Maybe it's because he sounds like
Speaker 1: you're sitting next to Mickey on the I actually I
Speaker 1: actually don't. You can just hear him from you can
Speaker 1: hear him from anywhere in the press box, but um,
Speaker 1: I don't ever think that would act. Maybe it's because
Speaker 1: he's mobile. Maybe it's because, like I know that he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to run or get away from a guy.
Speaker 1: But I never I'm never worried that he's holding onto
Speaker 1: the ball too long. Like that's never been something that
Speaker 1: I you know, it was back when Parcels was here
Speaker 1: and he used to do this with some of the
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. You remember, he used to have that little
Speaker 1: that little sounder that would kind of the blair kind
Speaker 1: of after a few seconds where it was like get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball. This is what yeah, And ever
Speaker 1: since then it got it gave me first, it gave
Speaker 1: me an indication of how fast this game is. Like
Speaker 1: this is like literally snap horn but that's how fast
Speaker 1: you need to get rid of the ball. And it's
Speaker 1: so it kind of has this thing in my head
Speaker 1: once it gets beyond that. Now, after that kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of sense, oh wow, he's holding the ball
Speaker 1: a little bit long here. Get rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: Get rid of the ball. But in twenty fourteen, I
Speaker 1: remember Romo saying that that clock has has been changed
Speaker 1: from what it was when why Phil Costa was snapping
Speaker 1: and you know you had Bill Nagy starting for you,
Speaker 1: it's because it's a better offense. I mean the game
Speaker 1: that Odell had that great catch against the Giants. Everyone
Speaker 1: remembers that play, but the Cowboys had to drive down
Speaker 1: the field and win the game and Dez caught the
Speaker 1: game winner in the end zone. And I swear Romo
Speaker 1: was running around for eight seconds on that play. I
Speaker 1: mean seriously, it was like he had a lot of time.
Speaker 1: I mean that offensive line. And he even said that
Speaker 1: that that mental clock that you've had in your head
Speaker 1: and for all these years, you can maybe add a
Speaker 1: second or two. Yeah, and Dak definitely benefits from that, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But I mean either way, I think it still is
Speaker 1: like there still is that gotta get rid of the ball, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta move it, you gotta. But do you find
Speaker 1: yourself think thinking that when you're watching him? Not necessarily,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily. As a matter of fact, I kind
Speaker 1: of think a lot of times he gets he does
Speaker 1: get a little bit of extra time. I actually do
Speaker 1: the inverse when I'm watching the Cowboys defense, like, man, wow,
Speaker 1: he should get he should be being sacked right now.
Speaker 1: What's what's going on? Like there's it seems like opposing
Speaker 1: quarterbacks seemed to have a little bit le Collins is
Speaker 1: just sitting on a guy. There we go, that's what happened. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a couple of snaps. They started to struggle
Speaker 1: as the game went on. But the first two possessions
Speaker 1: of that Oakland game, I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Collins and Tyrant are just mauling these guys. Which it
Speaker 1: helps when you have that, it does. All Right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys. Joannas are back tomorrow. We'll get you
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Speaker 1: to happen, give you our predictions. Still in for Nick
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