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Speaker 2: into Part two of the podcast with Nick Right. You know,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. I saw the ratings for
Speaker 2: both the AFC and the NFC Championship, like fifty six
Speaker 2: million people watch. But and I was saying this every
Speaker 2: yeah TV. Did I tell you my theory on this?
Speaker 2: About everybody said Cable's dead? But so if TikTok lost
Speaker 2: forty percent of their audience, but it was only a
Speaker 2: platform for recipes, food videos, restaurant reviews, it would be
Speaker 2: an incredibly powerful but not weapon platform for the culinary industry.
Speaker 2: So we always shared television with soap operas, sitcoms, dramas.
Speaker 2: We no longer share it. It is singularly ours. Cable
Speaker 2: TV is all sports and occasionally politics.
Speaker 1: So people say Cable's dying. Fuck it is.
Speaker 2: My ratings are up forty percent. Yours are up two
Speaker 2: thousand percent. It is now, it is now singularly a
Speaker 2: platform for games, opinions on games. Steven A's numbers are up,
Speaker 2: yours are minor up. So this idea everything's done.
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: We don't share the platform anymore. And that's why I
Speaker 2: have ten years left in this business. TV's going nowhere.
Speaker 1: That's right. And so and by the way, people are like,
Speaker 1: how can your rating? How can Nick's ratings be up
Speaker 1: so much? Guys? The key to great increases in ratings
Speaker 1: is start from a very small number. If you start
Speaker 1: from the small enough number, you can increase my math
Speaker 1: and percentages. But uh yeah, so I think listen, I
Speaker 1: think it was contracting, contracting, contracting, and then A the
Speaker 1: contraction slowed a bit, you know, and b the people
Speaker 1: who stayed are our people ever people to want news, information, sports,
Speaker 1: or they're just really old, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like though, and those people we probably weren't getting anyway,
Speaker 1: So I totally agree, Like, if you were, it's and
Speaker 1: the people who wanted sitcoms and dramas and miniseries, they
Speaker 1: those people might have transferred, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Those people might have said, I'm gonna just just do
Speaker 1: Netflix and Prime and whatever. But the people that were
Speaker 1: into sports still are getting cable, you know what, like
Speaker 1: and so the and they know how to get us.
Speaker 1: So that is I've been a maze at the NFL.
Speaker 1: The numbers this year used the conference championship games did
Speaker 1: fifty six and fifty seven or whatever it was. There's
Speaker 1: a visional round. Chiefs Bills, two of the smaller markets,
Speaker 1: some of Buffalo's audiences in Canada that doesn't count, did
Speaker 1: fifty million people. Nick I said this today on the air.
Speaker 2: Everything now in sports is niche, everything except the NFL.
Speaker 2: And I do think because of college football's twelve team playoff,
Speaker 2: the ability to bet on football, and its connection to
Speaker 2: the NFL, it will stay viable. It will remain viable
Speaker 2: the NBA, though, hockey and baseball MLS are getting increasingly international,
Speaker 2: and the downside of that, the skill levels never been
Speaker 2: deeper and greater. For all these sports, hockey, baseball, soccer
Speaker 2: and America MLS and the NBA, the skill has never
Speaker 2: been greater. But it is a harder ask for busy
Speaker 2: Americans to say, hey, do you follow the European leagues?
Speaker 2: You don't know these players they usually go to bad teams.
Speaker 2: They don't make a playoff impact until year three, four five.
Speaker 2: People are busy. College football makes it so easy to
Speaker 2: follow the NFL. I watch Marvin Harrison with a Buckeyes crush,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, he shows up on
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I'm just a huge fan people already, people are gonna
Speaker 1: have and probably somewhat unfairly towards him in some regards.
Speaker 1: People are gonna have strong opinions on Caleb Williams before
Speaker 1: he steps onto the field, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like you're familiar with him. That never happens to college basketball.
Speaker 1: So and I don't know if you saw it a
Speaker 1: week ago, a women's college basketball game, yes, outrated in
Speaker 1: an NBA game on Celtic same time. Yeah, a real
Speaker 1: NBA game, which a is a testament to the women's
Speaker 1: college game right now is elite and with stars, the
Speaker 1: quality of play is super high because nobody's turning pro
Speaker 1: early obvious league is you can get your more money
Speaker 1: as a star college female player than you can't. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say more. You make maybe equivalent money is in
Speaker 1: the WNBA. So you have cohesion, you have Stars, you
Speaker 1: have all this stuff, but I can you know how
Speaker 1: much I love the NBA, right, I am disappointed right
Speaker 1: now in the league and a little worried about the league. Yeah, same, same,
Speaker 1: So I'm disappointed in that Saturday should have been an
Speaker 1: amazing day in the NBA. I had it written. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to watch that. Yeah, yo,
Speaker 1: Kitchen Bid and Embiid can't play. And then the nightcap
Speaker 1: Steph Lebron, these two guys who are combined seventy five
Speaker 1: years old, but on the show, Okay, we'll keep doing
Speaker 1: what we've been doing for the last years, which is
Speaker 1: carry this goddamn league on our two backs. These two guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and love and respect to them. It's unbelievable. You know,
Speaker 1: I've told you. I think Steph does not get enough
Speaker 1: credit for being as great as he is at thirty
Speaker 1: five because Lebron is doing what he's doing at thirty nine.
Speaker 1: So people think thirty five is not that old when
Speaker 1: thirty five is Jordan's last year with the Bulls, it's
Speaker 1: thirty five.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: But I think the NBA, though from a strategic perspective,
Speaker 1: has made a mistake, which is that Warriors Lakers game
Speaker 1: you know, did almost four million people. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: real number for the NBA on a Saturday night. That's
Speaker 1: the night you take out your wife, you go out
Speaker 1: and jack and party. I I think the NBA can't
Speaker 1: help themselves but to put those two guys and Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant front and center. And I think it's a mistake.
Speaker 1: I think that if just sorry, I'll mix metaphors a bit.
Speaker 1: Let's say you told FS one I'm gone in two years.
Speaker 1: You told them I'm gone, and they looked at the
Speaker 1: numbers and they said, Okay, Colin shows the strongest show.
Speaker 1: He's our biggest brandy, all of it. And they put
Speaker 1: all of the marketing behind you because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's it gets the best numbers, it's this. Then
Speaker 1: the moment you leave, there's there's not. They haven't built
Speaker 1: anything up. The NBA, in my opinion, should say, okay,
Speaker 1: Lakers Warriors will do the best number, but we can
Speaker 1: get eighty percent of the audience if we feature Anthony Edwards,
Speaker 1: and we need to start getting the public ready for
Speaker 1: when Lebron and Steph aren't there. And instead the NBA
Speaker 1: just keeps writing these guys and they got away with
Speaker 1: it because they did it with Jordan. And they only
Speaker 1: got away with it because Shaq and Kobe, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, came together and we're there. There's no
Speaker 1: Shaq in Kobe right now. You're gonna have to create
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards Tatum this net. You're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: them stars and to still put all your eggs in
Speaker 1: the Lebron Steph Durant basket. From a ratings perspective, will
Speaker 1: don't be disappointed. Then when Lebron and Steph's teams one
Speaker 1: misses the playoffs and one is out in round one
Speaker 1: and all of America is like, you want me to
Speaker 1: give a shit about Jokic against the Timberwolves. I don't like.
Speaker 1: They haven't primed the audience for that, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a mistake. I think it is a short term
Speaker 1: thinking mistake by Adams.
Speaker 2: So I'll defend it. So the bottom line as a
Speaker 2: business owner is ultimately you need the revenue, and I
Speaker 2: need the revenue to hire new young.
Speaker 1: People, and so what leagues.
Speaker 2: The leagues are gonna squeeze every last ounce out of
Speaker 2: Mahomes in fifteen years, and there'll be other quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: come up. But If the other quarterbacks are great, they'll
Speaker 2: be able to start fresh hot out of college and
Speaker 2: get popular. But the legacy is so imprinted with Brady
Speaker 2: and Tampa. You just had to put them on every week.
Speaker 1: Nobody.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts not interested, Young Kyler Murray not interested. We're
Speaker 2: going to at Fox. We're putting Brady on. We're squeezing
Speaker 2: every ounce season.
Speaker 1: I think the NFL can do it because people show
Speaker 1: up for the football the NBA, they show up for
Speaker 1: the stars, and you've got to create them if they're
Speaker 1: not natural. That's what I'm saying. The NFL, I think
Speaker 1: can do it. The NBA needs to teach the audience
Speaker 1: to care about Anthony Edwards like that you've brought up
Speaker 1: in your right. They're in a weird spot already because
Speaker 1: all the best players are international guys.
Speaker 2: But let me argue this, doesn't the NBA get in
Speaker 2: trouble when it tries to teach people things be Black
Speaker 2: lives matter. We're gonna teach you about things. Well, it
Speaker 2: turned off a lot of fans who go to sports
Speaker 2: to escape. It doesn't bother me, it doesn't bother you.
Speaker 2: But I've never thought I'm the audience. I think leagues
Speaker 2: get in trouble when they try to tell you, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to teach you a few things about politics
Speaker 2: about business. I think you just have to put the
Speaker 2: popular people on and just it's not boxing, where if
Speaker 2: you put an old fighter on, you worry about his
Speaker 2: mental health and what are you doing to his brain?
Speaker 2: It's like Stephen Lebron are still by the way, they're
Speaker 2: both still insanely good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you and I the this this is one
Speaker 1: we might just not even be able to We're not
Speaker 1: gonna agree on because I would take on this reg
Speaker 1: I agree with you if you're trying. I don't want
Speaker 1: to learn my civics or political lessons from my sports leagues.
Speaker 1: It's stupid to begin with. Even if I think for
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys there the message was right
Speaker 1: or their heart was in the right place, that's right.
Speaker 1: I think they can take a page out of the
Speaker 1: book of wrestling. Wrestling creates stars, you know, Like they
Speaker 1: just say, this guy is going to be a star
Speaker 1: in our audience is gonna know it because he's gonna
Speaker 1: headline wrestle Mania, because we're gonna put him last on Raw,
Speaker 1: because we are going to make it, and for a
Speaker 1: guy we decide it's gonna be a star, for him
Speaker 1: not to end up being a star, He's gonna really
Speaker 1: have to screw this up because we are pushing pushing it.
Speaker 1: I think that you can. I don't think you can
Speaker 1: turn nothing player on average or just fringe. Also, I
Speaker 1: don't let me put it like this. I don't think
Speaker 1: they could trick America and being like Listen and Nick,
Speaker 1: fans are gonna give enemy Jalen Brunson's the new face
Speaker 1: of the league. You can't make the seventeenth best player
Speaker 1: to be like he's taking the torch from Lebron. I
Speaker 1: understand that, but you can pinpoint a few guys and
Speaker 1: be like, we are going to market Luca Jannis, Anthony
Speaker 1: Edwards and Jason Tatum, and we are occasionally going to
Speaker 1: take one point eight million people watching a Celtics MAVs
Speaker 1: game over two point two million people watching a Warrior
Speaker 1: Suns game because those people that we are going to
Speaker 1: be playing for the next ten years and Stephen Durant aren't.
Speaker 1: So I just think that would be the longer term,
Speaker 1: better decision, because I don't think they have a post
Speaker 1: Lebron plan. I don't think they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they struggled with David Stern to have a
Speaker 2: post Jordan.
Speaker 1: Plan and Shack and Kobe saved it. It was you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Jack and Kobe saved it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, So you keep lists on the NBA. I
Speaker 2: have always been not lukewarm. I don't want to be marginalized.
Speaker 2: I've always been I like Jason Tatum, but he sort
Speaker 2: of lacks of Kobeja.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it just kind of lacks him. But I
Speaker 1: can acknowledge I like him a lot. I'd love to
Speaker 1: have him on a team. He's a one.
Speaker 2: I'm not denying that. I'm not sure he's a championship one.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you are domestic players, and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this has been coming over
Speaker 2: thirty years due to AAU. I don't think it makes
Speaker 2: better players. I think it it sells better players. It
Speaker 2: heightens their hype and awareness of players. Jalen Green's a
Speaker 2: great talent. Nobody knows who he is since the AAU
Speaker 2: guys don't go to had he gone to Duke for
Speaker 2: two years. You know who he is because we watched
Speaker 2: Marsh Madwieth. So I like the college route for marketing,
Speaker 2: not the academic side, the marketing for the kids. But
Speaker 2: right now, domestic players, there's not many great ones. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of good ones. I want you to rank
Speaker 2: where Jason Tatum is. And I'm talking game seven. Pick
Speaker 2: your star, Okay, So who do you go with?
Speaker 1: All right? Does it hold on? Are you saying I'm
Speaker 1: pulling up right now just the NBA standings because that
Speaker 1: helps me orient the players. Yeah, I'm talking about it's
Speaker 1: a game seven. This is how I judge great players.
Speaker 1: Of course. Who would you watch cream Spot in a
Speaker 1: playoff series? Yeah, and you're saying only Internet, only America
Speaker 1: or holy everybody. I want to see our Tatum ranks
Speaker 1: for you, Okay, all right, guys, I would have ahead
Speaker 1: of him Jannis, no doubt. It's very interesting because Embiid
Speaker 1: throughout the in every situation except for the one you
Speaker 1: just said, Embiid, I don't know about him, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like in a game seven spot, but
Speaker 1: so but Embiid's I mean, he's thirty five a game
Speaker 1: put An it's next to him. Uh. No one on
Speaker 1: the Knicks, not Brunson, no one on the Calves, not
Speaker 1: Donovan put Haliburton with it. He's not there yet. He's close.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler. Yes, Jimmy Butler is ahead of him in
Speaker 1: these circumstances.
Speaker 2: Sorry, four five, say I'm at eight before I get
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 1: I'm at eight right now. Okay, So I'm just going
Speaker 1: down the list. Hold on, are you writing down who
Speaker 1: I say? Or no? No, I'm gonna give you mine,
Speaker 1: but you go. I'm gonna talk. I know I said
Speaker 1: right no order, I've said Janni's for sure, Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: no one on Orlando, no one on Chicago, no one
Speaker 1: on Brooklyn, Atlanta's or okay, Minnesota. And I don't know
Speaker 1: about Anthony Edwards. I mean he's very very close. He's
Speaker 1: a maybe Oklahoma City Jokich, Yes, if he's healthy. Kawhi yes,
Speaker 1: like again, if we're assuming health.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, I'm gonna jump in. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: right now. Game seven and some of this is unproven,
Speaker 2: but it's the way I feel about their game. Okay,
Speaker 2: two minutes left. I take Jokic, Luca, Jannis, Sga, KD Kawhi,
Speaker 2: Lebron Steph, Jimmy Butler in a game seven that is
Speaker 2: nine players over him. I'm at twen and now we
Speaker 2: can argue I don't even think those are arguments.
Speaker 1: I trust SGA two minutes left to make a shot,
Speaker 1: so I and again, Tatum is at this point better
Speaker 1: than Lebron over the course of an entire set, right,
Speaker 1: But if I get him in the that part, that part,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. The only one I can't
Speaker 1: go with you on yet is SGA because he now
Speaker 1: benefits from the fact that we've never seen him in
Speaker 1: those spots, so we don't know if he'd be bad
Speaker 1: in it. Like SGA right now is first team all NBA.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Tatum is not. It's gonna be probably not.
Speaker 2: S is a pure score, he's a He's not as
Speaker 2: good both but as a.
Speaker 1: Peerods not as big. I agree with all that. I
Speaker 1: just need to see him in the It's the same
Speaker 1: reason I couldn't put Anthony Edwards there because I gotta
Speaker 1: see him in the spot before it. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: that that is and that is why, and we talked
Speaker 1: with this last time. That is why people and people
Speaker 1: get mad. But for Tatum needs the exact team he has,
Speaker 1: which is a great supporting cast because in every meaningful
Speaker 1: playoff series he plays the other team's gonna have the better,
Speaker 1: the better number one, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: against the Heat, against the Bucks, maybe not against the Sixers,
Speaker 1: just because Embiid hasn't proven it in the playoffs yet,
Speaker 1: and anyone out West that makes it to the finals
Speaker 1: burdon me. The other team's gonna have the best. And
Speaker 1: again that's not an indictment, it's just reality of how
Speaker 1: the NBA works, which is why he needs to have
Speaker 1: the better two, three, four, five, which he very well made.
Speaker 1: That Celtics seems damn good, but it's it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be in the model of as we've talked about
Speaker 1: the four Pistons, kind of the model of the eight Celtics,
Speaker 1: where it's the collection of all of the talent around
Speaker 1: it to overcome the superstar. Right, let's end on something fun.
Speaker 1: So I ask you before we end real quick, just
Speaker 1: because you said lists and it got my brain going.
Speaker 1: Right now this moment is and I have to ask
Speaker 1: you mahomes question before we end. Is Mahomes in your opinion,
Speaker 1: a top two all time quarterback? Yes?
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's that's interesting. You just found our
Speaker 2: final topic. So I have no problem separating raw talent
Speaker 2: from productivity. I don't think Bill Russell's nearly as good
Speaker 2: as Kareem was or as dominating as but he was
Speaker 2: more productive. I can separate those two. I think most
Speaker 2: fans can. You certainly can. Where Mahomes, I think Marino
Speaker 2: is significantly is one of the most gifted throwers, if
Speaker 2: not the most gifted thrower. I watched his prime. He
Speaker 2: was a machine, big, strong, fast, quick. He was like
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers with more size, more of a power arm.
Speaker 2: I mean, he had all it was just he was.
Speaker 2: He was better than Elway at just throwing a ball
Speaker 2: in Elway was great. Marino, I've never seen anything like Elway.
Speaker 2: I think if Aaron Rodgers was, it just was bigger
Speaker 2: and more natural. And no, JC was the best high schooler,
Speaker 2: the best college guy. He just had those rumors that
Speaker 2: hurt him in the draft. But he wasn't productive like
Speaker 2: a Brady or a Manning. So what you're seeing with
Speaker 2: Mahomes now is the most naturally gifted player, including Marino.
Speaker 2: He's the most natural to gifted.
Speaker 1: Yep. And now the production is insane.
Speaker 2: And I pushed back early when Tom beat him a
Speaker 2: couple times and I'm like, it's slow down. Okay, now
Speaker 2: he's stacking chips, like stacking everything. You have to win
Speaker 2: a couple World Series of pokers, you know, you could
Speaker 2: be the bigger brain. Let's say you're an academic and
Speaker 2: you you're beating the late Doyle Brunson and who's a
Speaker 2: smart guy. But you're like, the dude is this Elon
Speaker 2: musky smart guy? But you can never win the World
Speaker 2: Series of Poker. You win six out of seven, okay,
Speaker 2: then you're the greatest.
Speaker 1: So that's so listen, Mahomes. It's just on the accomplishment's route.
Speaker 1: I look at it like a marathon. And if you
Speaker 1: ever look at the Olympics, if you're watching someone run
Speaker 1: the sixteen hundred meters after one lap, they tell you
Speaker 1: are they on world record pace? Right? Yeah? No one
Speaker 1: can be like, hadn't done it yet. It's like, well
Speaker 1: the race ain't over All we can do is judge
Speaker 1: the pace. So, Brady, we did this on the Show today.
Speaker 1: Twenty two seasons as a start, because you take out
Speaker 1: both of their rookie years because luckily both didn't play
Speaker 1: the rooki years. Twenty two seeds as a starter, seven
Speaker 1: super Bowls, which is bananas. That's thirty thirty two percent.
Speaker 1: Ten super Bowl appearances that's forty five percent. Fourteen conference
Speaker 1: championship games that's sixty four percent Mahomes as of this moment.
Speaker 1: Two super Bowls in six years, that's thirty three percent
Speaker 1: just out of Brady. Four super Bowl appearances in six years,
Speaker 1: that's sixty seven percent, way ahead of Brady, and six
Speaker 1: for six on conference championship games that's one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: That's way ahead. If he wins in two weeks now,
Speaker 1: he's fifty percent of his years as a starter, he's
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, sixty seven percent he's been there,
Speaker 1: and the other two years he lost in overtime the
Speaker 1: round before. So the production, he is on pace to
Speaker 1: shatter everybody's the numbers, he's on pace to shatter every bucks.
Speaker 1: So this is where I so you said I like lists.
Speaker 1: So this is my quarterback lists, and it is kind
Speaker 1: of a rich tapestry of raw talent accomplishments. Iye test
Speaker 1: all of it. Brady is one for now, Mahomes is two,
Speaker 1: Hayton Manning is three, Joe Montana four, Elway Marino is
Speaker 1: really hard five six six ' five because Elway went
Speaker 1: to five super Bowls, has more MVPs, has more rings,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like, but Marino was better,
Speaker 1: Like I know that sounds shitty, and then rounding it
Speaker 1: out of guys like what I would call modern era,
Speaker 1: so like Post Bradshaw, Starbuck Post that is Rogers Brett
Speaker 1: and the guy who I think is the most underrated
Speaker 1: of all time. And Steve Young. Yes, he was the
Speaker 1: closest thing to Mahomes before Mahomes as far as creativity,
Speaker 1: athleticism crazy. So like I think if Mahomes, like I'm
Speaker 1: ready to say Mahomes was is better than Peyton Mannick,
Speaker 1: like I have him ahead, and Payton won five MVPs,
Speaker 1: and I think he can run down Tom. I don't,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Tom did something interesting because Tom
Speaker 1: was on with you. You know, he did a couple
Speaker 1: of interviews today and in one of them he was
Speaker 1: asked about Mahomes and Tom said, you know, was talking
Speaker 1: about how great he is and all these things, and
Speaker 1: then he was like listen, man, because he was asked
Speaker 1: about someone else being the goat, and he said at
Speaker 1: the end it was so it was so slick. He
Speaker 1: was like, listen, if anyone can get to seven Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: Like I want to shake their hand because I like
Speaker 1: he's made it very clear. Oh yes, someone else can
Speaker 1: be the goat. They better get seven fucking rings, though,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear nothing about someone because
Speaker 1: he knows seven's gonna be hard. But so he's like,
Speaker 1: that's the stand, just to be clear. Get to seven
Speaker 1: and we can talk. But I don't think you have
Speaker 1: to get to seven. Like the point I always make
Speaker 1: Forget Russell. Michael Jordan retired the first time, retired in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, had three rings. Magic was still playing
Speaker 1: at that time, had five. Kareem had just retired, had six.
Speaker 1: You know what they put on Michael's statue, the greatest
Speaker 1: there ever was, the greatest ever will be. They weren't
Speaker 1: counting rings. Then they were like, no, we saw him.
Speaker 1: He's better than everybody. He's the best. Nobody ever started
Speaker 1: by the way, counting rings until Michael got the most,
Speaker 1: and then people were like, oh, we got to count
Speaker 1: the rings and he's still I mean the most kind
Speaker 1: of the most. And so I Brady Brady does have
Speaker 1: It's not like Brady doesn't have eye test stuff. Brady is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as great of a leader, clutch all of it.
Speaker 2: By the way, throws as good a bad weather ball
Speaker 2: as I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Super important, super important, and the ass all the great
Speaker 1: organizations are nor right, Yeah, exactly right, and so all
Speaker 1: that matters. So I'm not trying to discount Tom at all.
Speaker 1: But Patrick's got a path here if they can win.
Speaker 1: They they traded away Tyreek Hill and said, we're taking
Speaker 1: the long view of it. Yes, it was a defense.
Speaker 1: We have the second this year, the chiefs of the
Speaker 1: second youngest evens of football. If the first two years
Speaker 1: without Tyreek Hill they peeled both rings. Yeah, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're back ahead of the pace and
Speaker 1: people throw the two and oh at me all the
Speaker 1: time he was two and oh listen the Super Bowls
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl Tampa kicked Mahomes's ass. Everybody go rewatch
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen AFC title game. That's one of the
Speaker 1: two wins, and tell me who played better that game. Like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't hold that one again.
Speaker 2: Brady up rings before and after Randy Moss. I've made
Speaker 2: this argument the dominating star receiver is actually not good
Speaker 2: for titles you can win, but it becomes very important
Speaker 2: the receiver wants to be fed, the quarterback wants to
Speaker 2: feed him. You start calling the game to appease or
Speaker 2: appeal The star is that the truth is what always
Speaker 2: made Grady good. He always had two It was wrong
Speaker 2: and then Edelman. It was Welker and then Moss. So
Speaker 2: he did end by the way James White, Yeah, Rady had.
Speaker 2: I mean, Edelman goes down as one of the great
Speaker 2: playoff guys ever, but it was never an at least Oh,
Speaker 2: he's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Can you hold on? Go ahead? Finish?
Speaker 2: But but it's interesting. It shouldn't be lost that I
Speaker 2: can argue, uh, Tyreek Hill was terrific, But not having
Speaker 2: him allows you to have dimensions defense of that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have it at also allows you to be less predictable.
Speaker 1: So two things. One is do me a favor. And
Speaker 1: I never ask you to do this, But the next
Speaker 1: time Edelman's on off the air, tell him please. Nick
Speaker 1: Wright says, I love your spots with Colin and I
Speaker 1: would like a truce. Years ago. He's one of the
Speaker 1: many people that in my maybe feistier days, I talked
Speaker 1: a little online shit too, and he talks shit back
Speaker 1: to me. And now I'm like, gosh, darn it, we're colleagues.
Speaker 1: I think he's probably like that guy's an asshole. So
Speaker 1: if you can maybe vouch I'm not that bad of
Speaker 1: a guy, tell at the very least tell him that
Speaker 1: I think he does all. I love his spots with you.
Speaker 1: I love it. I think he does a great job.
Speaker 1: So here is you know, in the ten days we
Speaker 1: have of content between now and the Super Bowl, I
Speaker 1: talked to all this today. It is you putting your
Speaker 1: brain on this. I think would create days of stuff.
Speaker 1: The last pass Mahomes ever threw to Tyreek is one
Speaker 1: of the most fascinating moments now that we can look
Speaker 1: back on it. So it's also the last time he
Speaker 1: threw an interception in the NFL playoffs. It's also the
Speaker 1: end of the only bad game of his whole playoff career.
Speaker 1: It was in overtime to Cincinnati. It was they had
Speaker 1: a dominating lead. If you remember, Patrick screwed up before
Speaker 1: the half like try to get a touchdown and threw
Speaker 1: it short of the end zone. They didn't get a
Speaker 1: field goal, but no one cared because it was twenty
Speaker 1: one to three or something close to that. And then
Speaker 1: they lost. They lost, and Patrick fumbled through two, threw
Speaker 1: a pick. They go to overtime, and on third and ten,
Speaker 1: he throws a perfect bomb to Tyreek, hits Tyreek in
Speaker 1: the hands, but it's double covered and it's forty yard downfield.
Speaker 1: You know, it's perfect past Tyreek doesn't quite get it,
Speaker 1: hits him in the face, mask bounce caught Cincinnati four
Speaker 1: plays later, field goal and the Chiefs lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since that moment, Patrick stopped taking sacks in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and has not thrown a single pick all time NFL
Speaker 1: record for longest stretch that moment. And also, while his
Speaker 1: passer rating has stayed the same, his yards per game
Speaker 1: have dropped by seventy from up to that moment to
Speaker 1: right now. And you saw it in the second Africans Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Baltimore's got a great defense and they did some good things.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that happened was the Chiefs were
Speaker 1: up ten points and Patrick said, you know what, if
Speaker 1: I don't turn the ball over, we can't lose. And
Speaker 1: I am going to do something Tom did forever, which
Speaker 1: is managed the rest of this game to get us
Speaker 1: to the finish line. And I find it to be
Speaker 1: a fascinating like fork in the road of my numbers
Speaker 1: aren't going to be as good, it's not going to
Speaker 1: be as flashy, might not be as fun, but they
Speaker 1: haven't lost in the playoffs. Since then, he has taken
Speaker 1: five sacks and six playoff games. Three of them he
Speaker 1: had a broken ankle. Essentially, two of them were against
Speaker 1: the number one defense in the league. When it hasn't mattered.
Speaker 2: When you can't rely on something, It's almost like, if
Speaker 2: you do well in life, how much money do you
Speaker 2: give your kids in their twenties? Right, Yes, it can
Speaker 2: depend on that thirty seven hundred dollars a month check.
Speaker 2: You're incentivizing them to take the thirty seven hundred dollars check,
Speaker 2: deincentivizing them. If you can throw a rainbow to Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 2: why read through your progressions? You take an extra second
Speaker 2: in the pocket waiting for the big play. You become
Speaker 2: innately less patient, more willing to sit in the pocket.
Speaker 2: Bad things happen for even Mahomes when you hold the
Speaker 2: ball a long time. So I think it's the classic.
Speaker 2: It feels good, but it doesn't necessarily make you a
Speaker 2: better quarterback. What makes a great quarterback his efficiency get
Speaker 2: rid of the ball. Multiple reads. Mix it up. Don't
Speaker 2: be predictable, you can become And I saw this with
Speaker 2: Dak and Dez Bryant. Dak was actually better when he
Speaker 2: had a little Zekettle. You got a little left maybe
Speaker 2: it was Jason Witten, you got a little Lamari Cooper
Speaker 2: when you became very and by the way, Dez would
Speaker 2: get into the end zone. But people know Dez demands
Speaker 2: the ball, so you kind of know big play they're
Speaker 2: going to des Well, what does a defense want to
Speaker 2: know what you're doing? And so that's why this Chiefs
Speaker 2: team's interesting because we know where he's going with the ball.
Speaker 2: It's Travis Kelce, which is why the defense matters. Even
Speaker 2: in this game Sunday. They're not dropping thirty four anymore.
Speaker 2: In these games, that's not who they are. They are
Speaker 2: more predictable in this brief window. So they weren't last year.
Speaker 2: By the way, they were less predictable in the Super Bow.
Speaker 2: This year they've been a little offensively predictable.
Speaker 1: So even though they're not and we can leave it
Speaker 1: to this, here's the here right now, and it won't
Speaker 1: if next year the offense struggles again, this will wear off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But right now, despite the fact they're not dropping thirty four,
Speaker 1: they still benefit from the fact that every team they
Speaker 1: play is terrified they will, and they fuck with themselves
Speaker 1: about it. The Bills the third play of the game,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's like, oh my god, if we don't get
Speaker 1: this first down, we are screwed. He's throwing a lateral
Speaker 1: ten yards best line scrimmage because and in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter it's a three point game. In the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: they're fine. Sean mcdermot's like, fake punt, gotta do something
Speaker 1: because Mahomes on the other side, the Ravens were never
Speaker 1: down more than ten, and they abandoned the run immediately
Speaker 1: because iding in part because they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're playing Patrick Mahomes. Even though they're not scoring that
Speaker 1: they instill this fear that gets the other team out
Speaker 1: of what they normally would do because they think they're
Speaker 1: going that the Chiefs could at any point drop thorty
Speaker 1: on them, even though they haven't done it throughout the
Speaker 1: whole year. It's unbelievable, you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's the it's the legacy of greatness that's they
Speaker 2: terrify people without actually doing what they used to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're in everybody's head. You can see it.
Speaker 2: With Buffalo, you could see their game plan. They didn't
Speaker 2: want to throw the ball down the field. They wanted
Speaker 2: to control the clock, so they didn't give it back
Speaker 2: to my homes except we have were seventeen a game
Speaker 2: over like a nine game Stritch. Let's but to your point, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what this was great an hour.
Speaker 1: Next listen, I I then, I don't think I'm available
Speaker 1: in a week, which is gonna be great because it
Speaker 1: means the next time we talk will be, you know,
Speaker 1: right after we've won another championship in Kansas City, the
Speaker 1: new title town, and we can really talk dynasty and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then we turn our attention to
Speaker 1: the NBA. It'll be great. Maybe I'll have an even
Speaker 1: better lighting setup. I don't know. I think this one
Speaker 1: was good. I love I love the pennance. And oh
Speaker 1: look that's the original dream Team. Oh this camera moves
Speaker 1: with me. I can't even know it. That's the original
Speaker 1: dream Team. And that's Satchel Page in the Kansony monitors
Speaker 1: running your camera China. What's going on? I don't I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know. I can't believe it moved
Speaker 1: when I moved, which means there's some artificial intelligence thing
Speaker 1: going on here, which is where I didn't sign up for.
Speaker 1: I think I was probably a mole in my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been living on artificial intelligence my entire career.
Speaker 1: You know. That's what they always say. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon and see you con the volume