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Welcome 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: into Part two of the podcast with Nick Right. You know, 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this. I saw the ratings for 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: both the AFC and the NFC Championship, like fifty six 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: million people watch. But and I was saying this every 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: yeah TV. Did I tell you my theory on this? 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: About everybody said Cable's dead? But so if TikTok lost 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: forty percent of their audience, but it was only a 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: platform for recipes, food videos, restaurant reviews, it would be 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: an incredibly powerful but not weapon platform for the culinary industry. 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: So we always shared television with soap operas, sitcoms, dramas. 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: We no longer share it. It is singularly ours. Cable 39 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: TV is all sports and occasionally politics. 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: So people say Cable's dying. Fuck it is. 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: My ratings are up forty percent. Yours are up two 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: thousand percent. It is now, it is now singularly a 43 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: platform for games, opinions on games. Steven A's numbers are up, 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: yours are minor up. So this idea everything's done. 45 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: No, it's not. 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: We don't share the platform anymore. And that's why I 47 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: have ten years left in this business. TV's going nowhere. 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: That's right. And so and by the way, people are like, 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: how can your rating? How can Nick's ratings be up 50 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: so much? Guys? The key to great increases in ratings 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: is start from a very small number. If you start 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: from the small enough number, you can increase my math 53 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: and percentages. But uh yeah, so I think listen, I 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: think it was contracting, contracting, contracting, and then A the 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: contraction slowed a bit, you know, and b the people 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: who stayed are our people ever people to want news, information, sports, 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: or they're just really old, you know what I mean? 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: Like though, and those people we probably weren't getting anyway, 59 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: So I totally agree, Like, if you were, it's and 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: the people who wanted sitcoms and dramas and miniseries, they 61 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: those people might have transferred, you know what I mean. 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Those people might have said, I'm gonna just just do 63 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: Netflix and Prime and whatever. But the people that were 64 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: into sports still are getting cable, you know what, like 65 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: and so the and they know how to get us. 66 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: So that is I've been a maze at the NFL. 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: The numbers this year used the conference championship games did 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: fifty six and fifty seven or whatever it was. There's 69 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: a visional round. Chiefs Bills, two of the smaller markets, 70 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: some of Buffalo's audiences in Canada that doesn't count, did 71 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: fifty million people. Nick I said this today on the air. 72 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: Everything now in sports is niche, everything except the NFL. 73 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: And I do think because of college football's twelve team playoff, 74 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: the ability to bet on football, and its connection to 75 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: the NFL, it will stay viable. It will remain viable 76 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: the NBA, though, hockey and baseball MLS are getting increasingly international, 77 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: and the downside of that, the skill levels never been 78 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: deeper and greater. For all these sports, hockey, baseball, soccer 79 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: and America MLS and the NBA, the skill has never 80 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: been greater. But it is a harder ask for busy 81 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: Americans to say, hey, do you follow the European leagues? 82 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 2: You don't know these players they usually go to bad teams. 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: They don't make a playoff impact until year three, four five. 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: People are busy. College football makes it so easy to 85 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: follow the NFL. I watch Marvin Harrison with a Buckeyes crush, 86 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, he shows up on 87 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals. 88 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: I'm just a huge fan people already, people are gonna 89 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: have and probably somewhat unfairly towards him in some regards. 90 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: People are gonna have strong opinions on Caleb Williams before 91 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: he steps onto the field, you know what I mean, 92 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: like you're familiar with him. That never happens to college basketball. 93 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: So and I don't know if you saw it a 94 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: week ago, a women's college basketball game, yes, outrated in 95 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: an NBA game on Celtic same time. Yeah, a real 96 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: NBA game, which a is a testament to the women's 97 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: college game right now is elite and with stars, the 98 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: quality of play is super high because nobody's turning pro 99 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: early obvious league is you can get your more money 100 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: as a star college female player than you can't. I 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't say more. You make maybe equivalent money is in 102 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: the WNBA. So you have cohesion, you have Stars, you 103 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: have all this stuff, but I can you know how 104 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: much I love the NBA, right, I am disappointed right 105 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: now in the league and a little worried about the league. Yeah, same, same, 106 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: So I'm disappointed in that Saturday should have been an 107 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: amazing day in the NBA. I had it written. I 108 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to watch that. Yeah, yo, 109 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: Kitchen Bid and Embiid can't play. And then the nightcap 110 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: Steph Lebron, these two guys who are combined seventy five 111 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: years old, but on the show, Okay, we'll keep doing 112 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: what we've been doing for the last years, which is 113 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: carry this goddamn league on our two backs. These two guys. Yeah, 114 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: and love and respect to them. It's unbelievable. You know, 115 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: I've told you. I think Steph does not get enough 116 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: credit for being as great as he is at thirty 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: five because Lebron is doing what he's doing at thirty nine. 118 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: So people think thirty five is not that old when 119 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: thirty five is Jordan's last year with the Bulls, it's 120 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: thirty five. 121 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: Like. 122 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: But I think the NBA, though from a strategic perspective, 123 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: has made a mistake, which is that Warriors Lakers game 124 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, did almost four million people. Yeah, that's a 125 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: real number for the NBA on a Saturday night. That's 126 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: the night you take out your wife, you go out 127 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: and jack and party. I I think the NBA can't 128 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: help themselves but to put those two guys and Kevin 129 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: Durant front and center. And I think it's a mistake. 130 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I think that if just sorry, I'll mix metaphors a bit. 131 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Let's say you told FS one I'm gone in two years. 132 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: You told them I'm gone, and they looked at the 133 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: numbers and they said, Okay, Colin shows the strongest show. 134 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: He's our biggest brandy, all of it. And they put 135 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: all of the marketing behind you because they're like, well, 136 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: it's it's it gets the best numbers, it's this. Then 137 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: the moment you leave, there's there's not. They haven't built 138 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: anything up. The NBA, in my opinion, should say, okay, 139 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: Lakers Warriors will do the best number, but we can 140 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: get eighty percent of the audience if we feature Anthony Edwards, 141 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: and we need to start getting the public ready for 142 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: when Lebron and Steph aren't there. And instead the NBA 143 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: just keeps writing these guys and they got away with 144 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: it because they did it with Jordan. And they only 145 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: got away with it because Shaq and Kobe, you know 146 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, came together and we're there. There's no 147 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: Shaq in Kobe right now. You're gonna have to create 148 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards Tatum this net. You're gonna have to make 149 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: them stars and to still put all your eggs in 150 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the Lebron Steph Durant basket. From a ratings perspective, will 151 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: don't be disappointed. Then when Lebron and Steph's teams one 152 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: misses the playoffs and one is out in round one 153 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: and all of America is like, you want me to 154 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: give a shit about Jokic against the Timberwolves. I don't like. 155 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: They haven't primed the audience for that, and I think 156 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: it's a mistake. I think it is a short term 157 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: thinking mistake by Adams. 158 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: So I'll defend it. So the bottom line as a 159 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: business owner is ultimately you need the revenue, and I 160 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: need the revenue to hire new young. 161 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: People, and so what leagues. 162 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: The leagues are gonna squeeze every last ounce out of 163 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Mahomes in fifteen years, and there'll be other quarterbacks that 164 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: come up. But If the other quarterbacks are great, they'll 165 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: be able to start fresh hot out of college and 166 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: get popular. But the legacy is so imprinted with Brady 167 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: and Tampa. You just had to put them on every week. 168 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Nobody. 169 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts not interested, Young Kyler Murray not interested. We're 170 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: going to at Fox. We're putting Brady on. We're squeezing 171 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: every ounce season. 172 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: I think the NFL can do it because people show 173 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: up for the football the NBA, they show up for 174 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: the stars, and you've got to create them if they're 175 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: not natural. That's what I'm saying. The NFL, I think 176 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: can do it. The NBA needs to teach the audience 177 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: to care about Anthony Edwards like that you've brought up 178 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: in your right. They're in a weird spot already because 179 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: all the best players are international guys. 180 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: But let me argue this, doesn't the NBA get in 181 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: trouble when it tries to teach people things be Black 182 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: lives matter. We're gonna teach you about things. Well, it 183 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: turned off a lot of fans who go to sports 184 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: to escape. It doesn't bother me, it doesn't bother you. 185 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: But I've never thought I'm the audience. I think leagues 186 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: get in trouble when they try to tell you, hey, 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: we're going to teach you a few things about politics 188 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: about business. I think you just have to put the 189 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: popular people on and just it's not boxing, where if 190 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: you put an old fighter on, you worry about his 191 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: mental health and what are you doing to his brain? 192 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: It's like Stephen Lebron are still by the way, they're 193 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: both still insanely good. 194 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you and I the this this is one 195 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: we might just not even be able to We're not 196 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: gonna agree on because I would take on this reg 197 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: I agree with you if you're trying. I don't want 198 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to learn my civics or political lessons from my sports leagues. 199 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: It's stupid to begin with. Even if I think for 200 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys there the message was right 201 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: or their heart was in the right place, that's right. 202 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: I think they can take a page out of the 203 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: book of wrestling. Wrestling creates stars, you know, Like they 204 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: just say, this guy is going to be a star 205 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: in our audience is gonna know it because he's gonna 206 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: headline wrestle Mania, because we're gonna put him last on Raw, 207 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: because we are going to make it, and for a 208 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: guy we decide it's gonna be a star, for him 209 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: not to end up being a star, He's gonna really 210 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: have to screw this up because we are pushing pushing it. 211 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: I think that you can. I don't think you can 212 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: turn nothing player on average or just fringe. Also, I 213 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: don't let me put it like this. I don't think 214 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: they could trick America and being like Listen and Nick, 215 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: fans are gonna give enemy Jalen Brunson's the new face 216 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: of the league. You can't make the seventeenth best player 217 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: to be like he's taking the torch from Lebron. I 218 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: understand that, but you can pinpoint a few guys and 219 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: be like, we are going to market Luca Jannis, Anthony 220 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: Edwards and Jason Tatum, and we are occasionally going to 221 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: take one point eight million people watching a Celtics MAVs 222 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: game over two point two million people watching a Warrior 223 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: Suns game because those people that we are going to 224 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: be playing for the next ten years and Stephen Durant aren't. 225 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: So I just think that would be the longer term, 226 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: better decision, because I don't think they have a post 227 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: Lebron plan. I don't think they do. 228 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they struggled with David Stern to have a 229 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: post Jordan. 230 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Plan and Shack and Kobe saved it. It was you 231 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Jack and Kobe saved it. 232 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: Go ahead, So you keep lists on the NBA. I 233 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: have always been not lukewarm. I don't want to be marginalized. 234 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: I've always been I like Jason Tatum, but he sort 235 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: of lacks of Kobeja. 236 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it just kind of lacks him. But I 237 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: can acknowledge I like him a lot. I'd love to 238 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: have him on a team. He's a one. 239 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm not denying that. I'm not sure he's a championship one. 240 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: So I want to ask you are domestic players, and 241 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: I think a lot of this has been coming over 242 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: thirty years due to AAU. I don't think it makes 243 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: better players. I think it it sells better players. It 244 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: heightens their hype and awareness of players. Jalen Green's a 245 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: great talent. Nobody knows who he is since the AAU 246 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: guys don't go to had he gone to Duke for 247 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: two years. You know who he is because we watched 248 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: Marsh Madwieth. So I like the college route for marketing, 249 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: not the academic side, the marketing for the kids. But 250 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: right now, domestic players, there's not many great ones. There's 251 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: a lot of good ones. I want you to rank 252 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: where Jason Tatum is. And I'm talking game seven. Pick 253 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: your star, Okay, So who do you go with? 254 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: All right? Does it hold on? Are you saying I'm 255 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: pulling up right now just the NBA standings because that 256 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: helps me orient the players. Yeah, I'm talking about it's 257 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: a game seven. This is how I judge great players. 258 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Of course. Who would you watch cream Spot in a 259 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: playoff series? Yeah, and you're saying only Internet, only America 260 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: or holy everybody. I want to see our Tatum ranks 261 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: for you, Okay, all right, guys, I would have ahead 262 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: of him Jannis, no doubt. It's very interesting because Embiid 263 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: throughout the in every situation except for the one you 264 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: just said, Embiid, I don't know about him, you know 265 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, like in a game seven spot, but 266 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: so but Embiid's I mean, he's thirty five a game 267 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: put An it's next to him. Uh. No one on 268 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: the Knicks, not Brunson, no one on the Calves, not 269 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Donovan put Haliburton with it. He's not there yet. He's close. 270 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler. Yes, Jimmy Butler is ahead of him in 271 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: these circumstances. 272 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: Sorry, four five, say I'm at eight before I get 273 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: to him. 274 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm at eight right now. Okay, So I'm just going 275 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: down the list. Hold on, are you writing down who 276 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: I say? Or no? No, I'm gonna give you mine, 277 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: but you go. I'm gonna talk. I know I said 278 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: right no order, I've said Janni's for sure, Jimmy Butler, 279 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: no one on Orlando, no one on Chicago, no one 280 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: on Brooklyn, Atlanta's or okay, Minnesota. And I don't know 281 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: about Anthony Edwards. I mean he's very very close. He's 282 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: a maybe Oklahoma City Jokich, Yes, if he's healthy. Kawhi yes, 283 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: like again, if we're assuming health. 284 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: Okay, see, I'm gonna jump in. I'm gonna tell you 285 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: right now. Game seven and some of this is unproven, 286 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: but it's the way I feel about their game. Okay, 287 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: two minutes left. I take Jokic, Luca, Jannis, Sga, KD Kawhi, 288 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 2: Lebron Steph, Jimmy Butler in a game seven that is 289 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: nine players over him. I'm at twen and now we 290 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: can argue I don't even think those are arguments. 291 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: I trust SGA two minutes left to make a shot, 292 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: so I and again, Tatum is at this point better 293 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: than Lebron over the course of an entire set, right, 294 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: But if I get him in the that part, that part, 295 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. The only one I can't 296 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: go with you on yet is SGA because he now 297 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: benefits from the fact that we've never seen him in 298 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: those spots, so we don't know if he'd be bad 299 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: in it. Like SGA right now is first team all NBA. 300 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Tatum is not. It's gonna be probably not. 301 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: S is a pure score, he's a He's not as 302 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: good both but as a. 303 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Peerods not as big. I agree with all that. I 304 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: just need to see him in the It's the same 305 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: reason I couldn't put Anthony Edwards there because I gotta 306 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: see him in the spot before it. But yeah, so 307 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: that that is and that is why, and we talked 308 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: with this last time. That is why people and people 309 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: get mad. But for Tatum needs the exact team he has, 310 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: which is a great supporting cast because in every meaningful 311 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: playoff series he plays the other team's gonna have the better, 312 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: the better number one, like you know what I mean, 313 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: against the Heat, against the Bucks, maybe not against the Sixers, 314 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: just because Embiid hasn't proven it in the playoffs yet, 315 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and anyone out West that makes it to the finals 316 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: burdon me. The other team's gonna have the best. And 317 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: again that's not an indictment, it's just reality of how 318 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: the NBA works, which is why he needs to have 319 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: the better two, three, four, five, which he very well made. 320 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: That Celtics seems damn good, but it's it's gonna have 321 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: to be in the model of as we've talked about 322 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: the four Pistons, kind of the model of the eight Celtics, 323 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: where it's the collection of all of the talent around 324 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: it to overcome the superstar. Right, let's end on something fun. 325 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: So I ask you before we end real quick, just 326 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: because you said lists and it got my brain going. 327 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: Right now this moment is and I have to ask 328 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: you mahomes question before we end. Is Mahomes in your opinion, 329 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: a top two all time quarterback? Yes? 330 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: So that's that's that's that's interesting. You just found our 331 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: final topic. So I have no problem separating raw talent 332 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: from productivity. I don't think Bill Russell's nearly as good 333 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: as Kareem was or as dominating as but he was 334 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: more productive. I can separate those two. I think most 335 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: fans can. You certainly can. Where Mahomes, I think Marino 336 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: is significantly is one of the most gifted throwers, if 337 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: not the most gifted thrower. I watched his prime. He 338 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: was a machine, big, strong, fast, quick. He was like 339 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers with more size, more of a power arm. 340 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he had all it was just he was. 341 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: He was better than Elway at just throwing a ball 342 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: in Elway was great. Marino, I've never seen anything like Elway. 343 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: I think if Aaron Rodgers was, it just was bigger 344 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: and more natural. And no, JC was the best high schooler, 345 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: the best college guy. He just had those rumors that 346 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: hurt him in the draft. But he wasn't productive like 347 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: a Brady or a Manning. So what you're seeing with 348 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: Mahomes now is the most naturally gifted player, including Marino. 349 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: He's the most natural to gifted. 350 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: Yep. And now the production is insane. 351 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: And I pushed back early when Tom beat him a 352 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: couple times and I'm like, it's slow down. Okay, now 353 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: he's stacking chips, like stacking everything. You have to win 354 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: a couple World Series of pokers, you know, you could 355 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: be the bigger brain. Let's say you're an academic and 356 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 2: you you're beating the late Doyle Brunson and who's a 357 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: smart guy. But you're like, the dude is this Elon 358 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: musky smart guy? But you can never win the World 359 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: Series of Poker. You win six out of seven, okay, 360 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: then you're the greatest. 361 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: So that's so listen, Mahomes. It's just on the accomplishment's route. 362 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: I look at it like a marathon. And if you 363 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: ever look at the Olympics, if you're watching someone run 364 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundred meters after one lap, they tell you 365 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: are they on world record pace? Right? Yeah? No one 366 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: can be like, hadn't done it yet. It's like, well 367 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: the race ain't over All we can do is judge 368 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: the pace. So, Brady, we did this on the Show today. 369 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: Twenty two seasons as a start, because you take out 370 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: both of their rookie years because luckily both didn't play 371 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: the rooki years. Twenty two seeds as a starter, seven 372 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: super Bowls, which is bananas. That's thirty thirty two percent. 373 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: Ten super Bowl appearances that's forty five percent. Fourteen conference 374 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: championship games that's sixty four percent Mahomes as of this moment. 375 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: Two super Bowls in six years, that's thirty three percent 376 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: just out of Brady. Four super Bowl appearances in six years, 377 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: that's sixty seven percent, way ahead of Brady, and six 378 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: for six on conference championship games that's one hundred percent. 379 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: That's way ahead. If he wins in two weeks now, 380 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: he's fifty percent of his years as a starter, he's 381 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, sixty seven percent he's been there, 382 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: and the other two years he lost in overtime the 383 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: round before. So the production, he is on pace to 384 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: shatter everybody's the numbers, he's on pace to shatter every bucks. 385 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: So this is where I so you said I like lists. 386 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: So this is my quarterback lists, and it is kind 387 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: of a rich tapestry of raw talent accomplishments. Iye test 388 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: all of it. Brady is one for now, Mahomes is two, 389 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Hayton Manning is three, Joe Montana four, Elway Marino is 390 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: really hard five six six ' five because Elway went 391 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: to five super Bowls, has more MVPs, has more rings, 392 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like, but Marino was better, 393 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Like I know that sounds shitty, and then rounding it 394 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: out of guys like what I would call modern era, 395 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: so like Post Bradshaw, Starbuck Post that is Rogers Brett 396 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: and the guy who I think is the most underrated 397 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: of all time. And Steve Young. Yes, he was the 398 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: closest thing to Mahomes before Mahomes as far as creativity, 399 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: athleticism crazy. So like I think if Mahomes, like I'm 400 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: ready to say Mahomes was is better than Peyton Mannick, 401 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: like I have him ahead, and Payton won five MVPs, 402 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: and I think he can run down Tom. I don't, 403 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: and I don't think Tom did something interesting because Tom 404 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: was on with you. You know, he did a couple 405 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: of interviews today and in one of them he was 406 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: asked about Mahomes and Tom said, you know, was talking 407 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: about how great he is and all these things, and 408 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: then he was like listen, man, because he was asked 409 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: about someone else being the goat, and he said at 410 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: the end it was so it was so slick. He 411 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: was like, listen, if anyone can get to seven Super Bowls, 412 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: Like I want to shake their hand because I like 413 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: he's made it very clear. Oh yes, someone else can 414 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: be the goat. They better get seven fucking rings, though, 415 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear nothing about someone because 416 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: he knows seven's gonna be hard. But so he's like, 417 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: that's the stand, just to be clear. Get to seven 418 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and we can talk. But I don't think you have 419 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: to get to seven. Like the point I always make 420 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: Forget Russell. Michael Jordan retired the first time, retired in 421 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, had three rings. Magic was still playing 422 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: at that time, had five. Kareem had just retired, had six. 423 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: You know what they put on Michael's statue, the greatest 424 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: there ever was, the greatest ever will be. They weren't 425 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: counting rings. Then they were like, no, we saw him. 426 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: He's better than everybody. He's the best. Nobody ever started 427 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: by the way, counting rings until Michael got the most, 428 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: and then people were like, oh, we got to count 429 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: the rings and he's still I mean the most kind 430 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: of the most. And so I Brady Brady does have 431 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: It's not like Brady doesn't have eye test stuff. Brady is, Yeah, 432 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: as great of a leader, clutch all of it. 433 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: By the way, throws as good a bad weather ball 434 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: as I've ever seen. 435 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: Super important, super important, and the ass all the great 436 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: organizations are nor right, Yeah, exactly right, and so all 437 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: that matters. So I'm not trying to discount Tom at all. 438 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: But Patrick's got a path here if they can win. 439 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: They they traded away Tyreek Hill and said, we're taking 440 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: the long view of it. Yes, it was a defense. 441 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: We have the second this year, the chiefs of the 442 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: second youngest evens of football. If the first two years 443 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: without Tyreek Hill they peeled both rings. Yeah, then all 444 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're back ahead of the pace and 445 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: people throw the two and oh at me all the 446 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: time he was two and oh listen the Super Bowls 447 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: and Super Bowl Tampa kicked Mahomes's ass. Everybody go rewatch 448 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen AFC title game. That's one of the 449 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: two wins, and tell me who played better that game. Like, no, 450 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: you can't hold that one again. 451 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: Brady up rings before and after Randy Moss. I've made 452 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: this argument the dominating star receiver is actually not good 453 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: for titles you can win, but it becomes very important 454 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: the receiver wants to be fed, the quarterback wants to 455 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: feed him. You start calling the game to appease or 456 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: appeal The star is that the truth is what always 457 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: made Grady good. He always had two It was wrong 458 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: and then Edelman. It was Welker and then Moss. So 459 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: he did end by the way James White, Yeah, Rady had. 460 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: I mean, Edelman goes down as one of the great 461 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: playoff guys ever, but it was never an at least Oh, 462 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: he's fantastic. 463 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Can you hold on? Go ahead? Finish? 464 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: But but it's interesting. It shouldn't be lost that I 465 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: can argue, uh, Tyreek Hill was terrific, But not having 466 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: him allows you to have dimensions defense of that you 467 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't have it at also allows you to be less predictable. 468 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: So two things. One is do me a favor. And 469 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: I never ask you to do this, But the next 470 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: time Edelman's on off the air, tell him please. Nick 471 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: Wright says, I love your spots with Colin and I 472 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: would like a truce. Years ago. He's one of the 473 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: many people that in my maybe feistier days, I talked 474 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: a little online shit too, and he talks shit back 475 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: to me. And now I'm like, gosh, darn it, we're colleagues. 476 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: I think he's probably like that guy's an asshole. So 477 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: if you can maybe vouch I'm not that bad of 478 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a guy, tell at the very least tell him that 479 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: I think he does all. I love his spots with you. 480 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: I love it. I think he does a great job. 481 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: So here is you know, in the ten days we 482 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: have of content between now and the Super Bowl, I 483 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: talked to all this today. It is you putting your 484 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: brain on this. I think would create days of stuff. 485 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: The last pass Mahomes ever threw to Tyreek is one 486 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: of the most fascinating moments now that we can look 487 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: back on it. So it's also the last time he 488 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: threw an interception in the NFL playoffs. It's also the 489 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: end of the only bad game of his whole playoff career. 490 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: It was in overtime to Cincinnati. It was they had 491 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: a dominating lead. If you remember, Patrick screwed up before 492 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: the half like try to get a touchdown and threw 493 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: it short of the end zone. They didn't get a 494 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: field goal, but no one cared because it was twenty 495 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: one to three or something close to that. And then 496 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: they lost. They lost, and Patrick fumbled through two, threw 497 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: a pick. They go to overtime, and on third and ten, 498 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: he throws a perfect bomb to Tyreek, hits Tyreek in 499 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: the hands, but it's double covered and it's forty yard downfield. 500 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's perfect past Tyreek doesn't quite get it, 501 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: hits him in the face, mask bounce caught Cincinnati four 502 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: plays later, field goal and the Chiefs lose. 503 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 504 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Since that moment, Patrick stopped taking sacks in the playoffs 505 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: and has not thrown a single pick all time NFL 506 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: record for longest stretch that moment. And also, while his 507 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: passer rating has stayed the same, his yards per game 508 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: have dropped by seventy from up to that moment to 509 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: right now. And you saw it in the second Africans Baltimore. 510 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: Baltimore's got a great defense and they did some good things. 511 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: But the other thing that happened was the Chiefs were 512 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: up ten points and Patrick said, you know what, if 513 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: I don't turn the ball over, we can't lose. And 514 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: I am going to do something Tom did forever, which 515 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: is managed the rest of this game to get us 516 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: to the finish line. And I find it to be 517 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: a fascinating like fork in the road of my numbers 518 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: aren't going to be as good, it's not going to 519 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: be as flashy, might not be as fun, but they 520 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: haven't lost in the playoffs. Since then, he has taken 521 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: five sacks and six playoff games. Three of them he 522 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: had a broken ankle. Essentially, two of them were against 523 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: the number one defense in the league. When it hasn't mattered. 524 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: When you can't rely on something, It's almost like, if 525 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: you do well in life, how much money do you 526 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: give your kids in their twenties? Right, Yes, it can 527 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: depend on that thirty seven hundred dollars a month check. 528 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: You're incentivizing them to take the thirty seven hundred dollars check, 529 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: deincentivizing them. If you can throw a rainbow to Tyreek Hill, 530 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: why read through your progressions? You take an extra second 531 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 2: in the pocket waiting for the big play. You become 532 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: innately less patient, more willing to sit in the pocket. 533 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: Bad things happen for even Mahomes when you hold the 534 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: ball a long time. So I think it's the classic. 535 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: It feels good, but it doesn't necessarily make you a 536 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: better quarterback. What makes a great quarterback his efficiency get 537 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: rid of the ball. Multiple reads. Mix it up. Don't 538 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: be predictable, you can become And I saw this with 539 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: Dak and Dez Bryant. Dak was actually better when he 540 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: had a little Zekettle. You got a little left maybe 541 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: it was Jason Witten, you got a little Lamari Cooper 542 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: when you became very and by the way, Dez would 543 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: get into the end zone. But people know Dez demands 544 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: the ball, so you kind of know big play they're 545 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: going to des Well, what does a defense want to 546 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: know what you're doing? And so that's why this Chiefs 547 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: team's interesting because we know where he's going with the ball. 548 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: It's Travis Kelce, which is why the defense matters. Even 549 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: in this game Sunday. They're not dropping thirty four anymore. 550 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: In these games, that's not who they are. They are 551 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: more predictable in this brief window. So they weren't last year. 552 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: By the way, they were less predictable in the Super Bow. 553 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: This year they've been a little offensively predictable. 554 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: So even though they're not and we can leave it 555 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: to this, here's the here right now, and it won't 556 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: if next year the offense struggles again, this will wear off. Yeah, 557 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: But right now, despite the fact they're not dropping thirty four, 558 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: they still benefit from the fact that every team they 559 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: play is terrified they will, and they fuck with themselves 560 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: about it. The Bills the third play of the game, 561 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's like, oh my god, if we don't get 562 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: this first down, we are screwed. He's throwing a lateral 563 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: ten yards best line scrimmage because and in the fourth 564 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: quarter it's a three point game. In the fourth quarter, 565 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: they're fine. Sean mcdermot's like, fake punt, gotta do something 566 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: because Mahomes on the other side, the Ravens were never 567 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: down more than ten, and they abandoned the run immediately 568 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 1: because iding in part because they're like, oh my god, 569 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: we're playing Patrick Mahomes. Even though they're not scoring that 570 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: they instill this fear that gets the other team out 571 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: of what they normally would do because they think they're 572 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: going that the Chiefs could at any point drop thorty 573 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: on them, even though they haven't done it throughout the 574 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: whole year. It's unbelievable, you know. 575 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: It's it's the it's the legacy of greatness that's they 576 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 2: terrify people without actually doing what they used to do. 577 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: Yes, they're in everybody's head. You can see it. 578 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 2: With Buffalo, you could see their game plan. They didn't 579 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: want to throw the ball down the field. They wanted 580 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: to control the clock, so they didn't give it back 581 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: to my homes except we have were seventeen a game 582 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: over like a nine game Stritch. Let's but to your point, Okay, 583 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: that's what this was great an hour. 584 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: Next listen, I I then, I don't think I'm available 585 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: in a week, which is gonna be great because it 586 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: means the next time we talk will be, you know, 587 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: right after we've won another championship in Kansas City, the 588 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: new title town, and we can really talk dynasty and 589 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then we turn our attention to 590 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: the NBA. It'll be great. Maybe I'll have an even 591 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: better lighting setup. I don't know. I think this one 592 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: was good. I love I love the pennance. And oh 593 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: look that's the original dream Team. Oh this camera moves 594 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: with me. I can't even know it. That's the original 595 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: dream Team. And that's Satchel Page in the Kansony monitors 596 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: running your camera China. What's going on? I don't I'll 597 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know. I can't believe it moved 598 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: when I moved, which means there's some artificial intelligence thing 599 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: going on here, which is where I didn't sign up for. 600 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: I think I was probably a mole in my house. 601 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been living on artificial intelligence my entire career. 602 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: You know. That's what they always say. I'll talk to 603 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: you soon and see you con the volume