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Speaker 1: Last week with separation Saturday, we started to see the

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Speaker 1: contenders separate themselves from the pretenders. Now who will step

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Speaker 1: up in Week six? Is there any team that wants

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Speaker 1: about the Pactwell's private equity sale. Oh, they don't want

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Speaker 1: George Rice Stir with Ralph Hampton and this is the

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Speaker 1: pack wellvel Possible? What up? Ralph man? Uh? This week

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Speaker 1: has been absolutely crazy for me. I went on a

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely crazy to me how people are delusional

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Speaker 1: this podcast. They said, oh, there's zero defense played in

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Speaker 1: the Back twelve. No, no, you guys don't have any

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Speaker 1: players that come out of there. SEC is the best.

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Speaker 1: I was like, do y'all even watch football? And then

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Speaker 1: And then now they're digging through all my old tweets

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Speaker 1: the stereo types or whatever. But we've been on this

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Speaker 1: if you don't notice that the pendulum has shifted the

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Speaker 1: how East Coast bias works. Because these people don't watch

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Speaker 1: They just dismissed Pack twelve teams that I'm not even

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Speaker 1: sure if they know that cal played old miss it

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Speaker 1: the Name, Image and Likeness bill that Gavin Knewsome just

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Speaker 1: now even though that they were trailblazing away Colorado, New York, Florida, um,

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Speaker 1: videos day. She's very funny, pretty girl, all of this stuff.

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00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: If she and she's clearly going into the media business

432
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: when she's finished playing, the camera loves her. She's smart,

433
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: she's articulate, all of this, and if she were able

434
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: to have a YouTube channel. Now, if she were able

435
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: to monetize the YouTube channel, she were able to have

436
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: a podcast something like that, or any I mean, like

437
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: people would have her endorsing products. So it's not just men.

438
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine what Sabrina I and sq could cold

439
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: cold generated, or imagine what some of oh I mean, Yeah,

440
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Skylar Diggins at noticable. Everybody knew that she that she

441
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be brand magic. Britney Grinder achieved I think

442
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: crossover status while she was at Baylor. She would have

443
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: been able to cash it. Like, it's not like every

444
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: n C double a athlete it's all of a sudden

445
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: going to have the ability to make a bunch of money.

446
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: But most of these guys, most of the guys, you

447
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: don't know the name of most of the people of

448
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: the team that you root for. That's just the truth.

449
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Most people, even people who go beyond casual fandom to

450
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: following the team, they don't know, you know, they're They're

451
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: not like the message board people who know the bottom

452
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: half of the roster um like they like they know

453
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: the back of their hand. They know the people who

454
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: show up on Saturdays and play. Because it's like anything

455
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: else you know, and what is the purchasing power derived

456
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: from somebody who is a star player in the PAC twelve?

457
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: You know, I I could only name maybe three or

458
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: four guys even at the quarterback position in the PAC twelve.

459
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: Who would you know who could do something to cause

460
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: me to avert my attention to that thing which could

461
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: then be monetized, you know, And some people might not

462
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: even have the personality for it, Like have you ever

463
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: talked to Justin Harriet. He'd have to have a pretty

464
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: darn good acting coach to get him to, you know,

465
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: to to to not actually, you know, convince people to

466
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: not buy the product. So I don't know it. This

467
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: is this is a weird thing where where anyone who

468
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: goes to any like the point of going to college

469
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: is to prepare you for the professional world. The professional

470
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: world is a world of doing Nothing should preclude somebody

471
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: from the opportunity to do things when the whole point

472
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: of the education that you're getting is so that you'll

473
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: be prepared to do those things. Anyway, college isn't for everyone.

474
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: Yet we're in a system that's sort of like an

475
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: antitrust system where if you want to be a professional athlete,

476
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: especially in the realm of football, you have no choice

477
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: but to use college. You know, if if I wanted

478
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: to repair air conditioners, I don't have to go to

479
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yeah, if you want to play, if you

480
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: want to play professional football, like you have to go

481
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: through the process at one of these colleges. So for

482
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: the pact, tals the issue of statement saying our universities

483
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: have led important student athlete reform over the past years,

484
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: but firmly believe all reforms must treat our student athletes

485
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: as students pursuing an education and not as professional athletes.

486
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: That doesn't reflect accurately the body of the students that

487
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: you have. A lot of them are just forced into

488
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: this situation because that's the only way to pursue their goal,

489
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: and you have locked them into that. So it's it

490
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: it's very, very disingenuous to treat all student athletes a

491
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: certain way when you know that they're not that way,

492
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: when you spent years and years and years and millions

493
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: and millions and millions of dollars to make sure that

494
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: you could make money off of them because there is

495
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: no other funnel for them to get where they want

496
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: to go, and now you won't let them also capitalize

497
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: on their own branding in a modern world where where

498
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: people are you know, people were influenced. I know Tim

499
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Tebow came out against this, but Tim Tebow was one

500
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: of the most influential college athletes of all time while

501
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: he was in college, and he even used his time

502
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: in college to help strengthen his own brand. So he

503
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: understands it at some level. He gets it. He used

504
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: it to his advantage. He just didn't take a paycheck

505
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: right then and there. But who are we to say

506
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: that his way was the right way? Yeah, and you

507
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: never know, we all have the have a highest earning

508
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: potential time in our life. If you're McCauley culkin, it

509
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: was when you heard doing home alone. Even though he

510
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: may make money after and do well, that was his

511
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: highest earning potential. Look at Johnny man Manzel his popularity

512
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: in college. Look, I mean, so many players who don't

513
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: necessarily go on to have great careers, who are very

514
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: very popular in college, and they should be able to

515
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: monetize that. But it's just funny the crowd. Oh well,

516
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: then they should have to pay for their own school.

517
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Then if they're gonna get get paid, they're supposed to

518
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: be broke college students. Uh, no, you're not when you're

519
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: generating billions for everybody else. This is the only place

520
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: in America that I can think of where you can

521
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: trade on somebody. Well, somebody else can make money off

522
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: of you, make money off of your name, image and likeness,

523
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: and not compensate you for it. I mean, and when,

524
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: especially when you're going when you are generating more revenue

525
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: than is being dished out to you. But but then

526
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, a scholarship is a hundred thousand dollars,

527
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: it's two hundred thousand dollars. No, it's it's it's not

528
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: exactly there's value versus cost? What, right, there's not. The

529
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: college isn't eating a retail cost of a scholarship to

530
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: allow a player to sit in a lecture hall with

531
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty other kids. That seat was open anyway.

532
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't cost to college anything to have a dorm room,

533
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: which has probably been paid for by donors over time,

534
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: to have somebody sleeping in that bed when certain dorms

535
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: are reserved for athletes, like it doesn't cause the college.

536
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't cost the college anything. It's not like the

537
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: colleges are eating giant chunks of money for every student

538
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: that they bring onto campus. It's the exact opposite. It's

539
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: that they're pretending they're eating that money so that people

540
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: will buy into the mindset that scholarships are a form

541
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: of payment, but they're not payment, and and and people

542
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: say this all the time. They get a free education, like, no,

543
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: it's not free. They have entered into a barter system

544
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: agreement with the college. I will trade my services and

545
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: my time for your services and your time. It is

546
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: not a free education. There is nothing free about it.

547
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: You have to meet very specific terms and conditions, and

548
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: you have to put in your effort and offer your

549
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: services to the college in order to have access to

550
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: their services. It's never been retail value. It doesn't cost

551
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the college what they like to pretend that it costs them.

552
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: And these and and everyone who wants to compare them

553
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: to regular students who have to pay their way. They're

554
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: not regular students. John Smith, the accounting student isn't helping

555
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: the isn't helping the university land some one billion dollar

556
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: donation from some you know, oil tycoon who's got ten

557
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: years left in his life and wants to have his

558
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: name on a building. He just isn't. But getting that

559
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: phone call from the team's quarterback to thank him for

560
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: coming out to a game that can absolutely influence a

561
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: decision like that. And so the colleges use these athletes

562
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: to build up their brand, and they expect that these

563
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: athletes are using the college to build up their brand.

564
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: But only one can cash a check. And you might

565
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: be comfortable with that relationship, but the truth is the

566
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: storm is coming. Oh yeah, I get multiple calls from

567
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: Oregon student athletes every year. Hey George, how how are you? Man? Man?

568
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Just check and in what to tell you about that?

569
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: All the great things that we're doing. Then at the

570
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: end of the phone call, Uh so you want to

571
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: send a check though, and they're they're being pimped out

572
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: for that, so they should get paid for that. Um.

573
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: But the other money issue in the PAC twelve, because

574
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: we were not done with this name, image and likeness

575
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: that we could do an entire episode on this. But

576
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: the private equity sale. Um what was it? Last week

577
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve announced that they did that they decided

578
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: against selling ownership in its media rights to a private

579
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: equity firm. That this is what Larry Larry Scott told

580
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: John Wilner, who does the Pack twelve hotline for the

581
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Mercury News, does a great job with all the money

582
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: stuff follow him there um that it but it still

583
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: could take on a strategic partner. And they're talking about

584
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: that they narrowed the field and they um and that

585
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: CEOs of these private hedge funds and and equity and

586
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: equity big equity um companies said that they weren't interested

587
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: in doing something with a pure financial oh, that they

588
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: weren't interested. That the college CEOs weren't interested in doing

589
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: something with a pure financial institution, even though they had

590
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting offers at the kind of valuations

591
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: that we were hoped to with really great terms. I

592
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: was like, dude, dude, this sounds like the president talking

593
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: using all the Oh, it was great, it was perfect,

594
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It wasn't you know, like you didn't

595
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: tell us anything. So they created something out of nothing.

596
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: There is essentially like it's essentially mortgaging your your your future,

597
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: parsing the rights to your future profits so that somebody

598
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: else can share in them in order to have cash

599
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: right now. Because you're what you're getting of a piece

600
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: of it is just a hypothetical thing. It's um, it's

601
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: just like Shark Tank. I mean it was he might

602
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: as well Larry Scott might as well have walked into

603
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban and been like, I've got this conference and

604
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: these are my sales, but I need to cash infusion

605
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: right now. Uh, you know, I'm willing to part with

606
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: with you know, ten percent of my company for seven

607
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. And then you just, you know, you do.

608
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: You have a bunch of the sharks going around saying

609
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: like you want direct and he's like, oh well no,

610
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: And then you know, Barbara Corkan will be like I'm out,

611
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, like that that's that's that's what's going on

612
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: right now. And and I think that, you know, the

613
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: thing about Shark Tank is you have to say a

614
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: contract that you give up a piece of your company,

615
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you make a deal or not, just

616
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: to walk in the room. And I think that that's

617
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: what happened with the Pac twelve in this situation, is

618
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: they basically signed a contract to give up some more

619
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: of any of the shreds of credibility they have left

620
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: by even entering into a situation doing equity partners for

621
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: future profits to make up for the fact that they

622
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: have a huge profit shortfall right now, Like we can't

623
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: lose focus on that. It wasn't just a good idea

624
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: that they came up with to you know, call J G.

625
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: Wentworth and get cash. Now. It wasn't a good idea.

626
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: This entire thing came out of a need to try

627
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: to keep up with the Joneses because they are getting

628
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: crushed by the other power conferences. That's the only reason

629
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: they pursued this, dude. They were they were trying to

630
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: get a paid a loan, the the college Meteorite version

631
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: of a paid a loan. They were going to get

632
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: an equity partner to give them. They were asking for

633
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: a five billion dollar value valuation. They wanted in between

634
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: five hundred million and seven hundred fifty millions to uh

635
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: cash infusion now for payment later of these media rights

636
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: when they're sold. And I'm just like, this is a

637
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: paid a loan. I've seen it. This is cash for

638
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: your title for your car. I've seen this. I've seen

639
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: the commercials and their predatory this is the business valuation

640
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: of that. This is almost like a company when they

641
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: when they take on debt when they take on when

642
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: when they essentially get loans. That's why Forever twenty one

643
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: is going out of business. This is what they did.

644
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: They owned the market and they found found a way

645
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: to not be able to pay their their debts back.

646
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing is um and Larry Scott

647
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: went on to say that that the members realized that

648
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: they were sitting on a lot of unrealized value and

649
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: that have reason to be confident when our rights become available.

650
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: So this time and I'm just like and then he said,

651
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: some of the smartest minds out there, some of the

652
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: people that make the biggest bets on sports, are really

653
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: interested in working with us. I'm like, yeah, that sounds

654
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: like a phone call because you're talking about giving them

655
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: free money. Like you're talking about giving them free money

656
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: and you still can't work out a deal. And this

657
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: has been around forever, right, Like you remember the old

658
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: like the wimpy cartoons from the nineteen thirties, I will

659
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamburger today. That's the

660
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: situation that the Pac twelve is is finding itself in,

661
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: is that they just need some cash now and they'll

662
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: pay it back later with the next TV rights deal,

663
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: but they can't guarantee what that's gonna look like, and

664
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: the national brand is not strong right now. And it's

665
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: really really hard for Larry Scott to not I don't

666
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: get how he doesn't see the connection that he is

667
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: out there publicly talking about taking seven hundred and fifty

668
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: million dollars hash from investors for doing nothing, by the way,

669
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: for doing nothing, just to give away a piece of

670
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: the conference's future. So it's not like they have to

671
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: do any extra work like that. They're gonna take in

672
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: this money to give away a part of the conference.

673
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: Meanwhile also sending off a statement saying like, hey, these

674
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: are students, this is happening at the same time, Wow,

675
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: that is a great point. So yeah, yeah, no, these

676
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: are these are students who don't need to make any

677
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: money off their name, image and likeness. It's gonna hurt everybody,

678
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: but but we do need to seven fifty million dollars though,

679
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: and in reality that would be a bridge loan. It's

680
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: a bridge loan. And this is Larry Scott trying to

681
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: save face, trying to say, oh, every everything is fine

682
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: with the name, image, likeness, everything's fine with the with

683
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: the with the money, every thing will be fine. Four,

684
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: when we get a new new deal, when our rights

685
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: are available, everything will be fine. We we will have

686
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: a magic peel. At that point in time, nobody believes

687
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: you you need more people. I mean, I couldn't I

688
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 1: actually think that this was an opportunity to save face.

689
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: With the interview he did with John Wilmer answering the question,

690
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: I think that this was the private equity people saying,

691
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: you know what, now we don't we don't really want

692
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: this at this point point in time, or these are

693
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: our terms which like which, like I said, is a

694
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: paid a loan, And they're saying and then the conference

695
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: leadership was like, yeah, no, we're not doing this. This

696
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: is absolutely stupid. Like there's no way that I believe

697
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: that they just turned down five hundred, seven hundred fifty

698
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: million dollars. George, would you make a seven million dollar

699
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: bet on a conference that might not even be together

700
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: in three years because of California legislation? No? Absolutely not,

701
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: absolutely not it. I can't even I mean, like, it

702
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't take a a rocket scientist to figure this out.

703
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: It's common knowledge, man, this is common knowledge. But now

704
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: we we can get onto the games, we can get

705
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: onto the thing that we care about the most. We're

706
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna cover all these topics and more every single week.

707
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys joining us on the pack twelve

708
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: apostles and remember you can send it send us an

709
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: email anytime you want. I'm mad at Unafraid Show dot com.

710
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I am m a d at Unafraid Show dot com.

711
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: Um a couple of interests in games this this week.

712
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: The biggest game this week kind of lost its luster

713
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, but we'll go through the games by

714
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: start time kicks this week. So we got the Arizona,

715
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: Amston's going to going to play the Colorado. Ralphie is

716
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: a girl, So, uh, Colorado And that's a joke based

717
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: upon the fact that we were doing our mascot power rankings,

718
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: which was a great show. Go back and listen to

719
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: that one. It was uh when we were going through that,

720
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that this that Ralphie was a girl,

721
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: and Ralph informed me. So yeah. So Colorado was favorite

722
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: by four and a half points against Arizona. And we

723
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: know from the last episode that me and Ralph are

724
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: curious to see if Khalil Tate suits up because we

725
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: had a conspiracy theory, whether he was going to do

726
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: a de eric king like Houston, whether Arizona was happy

727
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: to get rid of him and move on to it

728
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Kevin hampas tomlins hot seat is a little bit cool,

729
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: or whether they are and then he wants to leave

730
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: as well because they didn't really enjoy the marriage to

731
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: begin with. So that's on the last episode. But who

732
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: you got in this game? Row? Uh? Colorado fans are

733
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: pretty sick of Coliltate. I think, like a shot at

734
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Grant gunnal um, I don't think that this matchup is

735
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: very friendly to Colorado. I think the best thing that

736
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: Colorado has bet their at home and we don't really

737
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: know what aerizod um. We don't know if they've made

738
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: adjustments since having to go to Hawaii, and that was

739
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: the one game where they looked objectively terrible. So uh, man,

740
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: it's really really hard to argue against It's really hard

741
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: to argue against home field. But again, this is clil

742
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Tate has dropped three fifty yards passing and five touchdowns

743
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: on Colorado, as well as three seven yards rushing and

744
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: four touchdowns in a in a separate game. So if

745
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: if I mean I can't. I can't be conditional about this.

746
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: If Khalil Tate plays, I think Arizona wins. If he

747
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: does not play, I do not think that they win.

748
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's going to play or not.

749
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: All I can do is sort of go off. Wait,

750
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: I thought you were all in on Grant gunn No,

751
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm not all in on Grant. I think that I

752
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: think that the team is I mean that that's what

753
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: they want to be, That's who they want to be.

754
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: They want to run that that normazony you know, quick

755
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: bubble screen offense. Um, and that's not necessarily what they're

756
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: able to do with Tate. UM. I think that that

757
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, Gonell is still a freshman. I mean, I

758
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: don't I don't expect him to be able to go

759
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: in there and and and generate the kind of offense

760
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: that they need. Um. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of,

761
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: I kind of I would like Colorado in this game

762
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: if I knew that it was going to be Grant

763
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: at quarterback. But I think it's gonna be Clil Tape,

764
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: So I'm leaning towards Arizona. Arizona. Guess yeah, with with Colorado,

765
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: how bad is they're lost to air Force field right

766
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: right now. That lost the Air Force just sucks. I mean,

767
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: you got Stephen Montez, who's playing the best football of

768
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: his career. He's got almost twelve yards passed and sixty

769
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: completion percentage. He is, um, yeah, he's got nine touchdowns,

770
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: only two picks. He's playing really well. And mind you,

771
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: their leading receiver is not even the guy you thought

772
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: that would be their leading receiver. The guy you thought

773
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: would be their leading receiver is their third leading receiver.

774
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: Uh well, no, no, sorry, yes, is their third leading receiver.

775
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Laviska Chanal, who people thought could be a Heisman candidate.

776
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: Their leading receivers Tony Brown three nineteen catches, three hundred yards,

777
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, and then Katie Nixon two yards, and then

778
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: you got Labiska. It should know, through five games with

779
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: a grand totally pretty good. This is a pretty good

780
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: chancell of Discashal does not play um against Arizona, and

781
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: and Mustapha Johnson probably won't play either, and then you

782
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: know those are two of their best players. Um, but

783
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, Boulder is Boulder is a

784
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: tough place to go and get a win, especially, I

785
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: mean there's a little bit of a difference between Boulder

786
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: and Tucson UM. And yeah, it's going to be really

787
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: up to Arizona to go in and try to be

788
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: disciplined and play within themselves when they're dealing with their

789
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: own injury issues. This is this is just it feels

790
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: to me like a pretty impossible choice UM to figure

791
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: out who has the advantage when we don't even know

792
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: who the players are. Now, that's very true, because you've

793
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: got Arizona giving up thirty seven points a game. Yeah,

794
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Colorado given up thirty six points a game. No, no,

795
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Scoring you have Arizona scoring thirty eight points

796
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: a game, Colorado scoring thirty six points a game. And

797
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: then they're both allowing about the same about thirty points

798
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: a game. This and they're both allowing about the same

799
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: amount of yards about five hundred and seventy three hundred

800
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: yards passed the piece buck fifty average between the two

801
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: of them on the ground. These are too bad defenses.

802
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: These are too bad defenses. When you look at Arizona

803
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: is actually better against the run. Their fifth in the

804
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: pack twelve at two hundred thirty seven yards, and Colorado

805
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: is tenth in the pack twelve and a hundred and

806
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: seventy five yards. These are not good defenses. And in

807
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: scoring defense, Colorado is eleven, Arizona is eight, and my

808
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: mind you they're separated by less than a point. But

809
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: but still, this is this is not great defense being

810
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: being played. No, and this could be like whoever has

811
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: a ball type situation. Um, I do like Montez. I

812
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think that Arizona will have much of a pass

813
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: rush on him. So he I mean, he could have

814
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: a truly big day. But again, we've watched this is

815
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean you might believe that I based my entire

816
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: opinion on Coiltate based off of what he looks like

817
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: against Colorado. So I mean, if he's good to go

818
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: that I think that's genuine trouble. Yeah, man, I and

819
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: these defenses are bad. I really look at this game

820
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: like six in one hand, half a dozen in the

821
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: in the other. So I'm gonna go with I'm trying

822
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: to think who it's who's more likely to continue winning games.

823
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: That's who. That's who I'm gonna pick in this game,

824
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: because Colorado still has After this Arizona game, they got Oregon,

825
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: Washington State USC. I mean they played basically the entire

826
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: packtwell of North plus Utah after this game, which is

827
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: extremely difficult task. I'd rather play the South teams to

828
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: play the North team, and kind of the same thing

829
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: for Arizona, except for they got Arizona State too. Oh lord, dude,

830
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to opposite of you, Ralph. I'm

831
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: just going College Colorado. I don't feel good about it,

832
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: but I'm going with Mail Tucker and they just had

833
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: a week off, so maybe he found a way to

834
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: find some defense in it in this week off. So

835
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: that's why I'm going with Colorado. That's the determined factor

836
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: for me the next game. So we both feel equally.

837
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: We both feel equally poor about her. Yeah, exactly, Like

838
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: this is not one of those ones that we should

839
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: be getting tweets about saying, oh you you hit our

840
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: team a cow at Oregon. Then this game lost a

841
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: lot of its luster. If you the line on this game,

842
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: Oregon is favored by eight teen points in this game.

843
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: If Chase Garbers were playing, because JAMESE. Garber's is out indefinitely,

844
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: that's Cow's quarterback if he were. And as bad as

845
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: um Uh Monster looked, he looked unprepared. He looked not ready.

846
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: He looked like a kid who had been in the

847
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: tank because he wasn't starting after transferred from U C.

848
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: L A and not winning the job. I mean, this

849
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: is a game if Garbers were playing, Oregon would probably

850
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: be favored by five points or seven points, not eight

851
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: teen points. This is a big difference. I mean I

852
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: obviously not because of affiliation or anything, just because Oregon's

853
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: defense is really good. They've been scoring a lot of points.

854
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: I like the Ducks in this situation, and hopefully they

855
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: get the win and make a statement offensively and stop

856
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: being so damn conservative. Yeah, I think you you pointed

857
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to something that makes me feel like that spread is

858
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: is not going to be met. Um. I feel like

859
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: Oregon wins, but I think this game is a little

860
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: bit closer than then you're comfortable with. And that's just

861
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: the fact that, like Cal hasn't fallen off defensively, there's

862
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: still that team. Um, and it's just like it's a

863
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: hold the door situation, Like you know that it's not

864
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna end well, but you've got to do what you

865
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: can what you can do hold the door right like

866
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: that this defense is going to have to give the

867
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: opportunity offensive opportunity to score and if the offense doesn't

868
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: take it, then that's that. And and you know they're

869
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: not they're not gonna win. But I think that I

870
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 1: think that Cal is going to do enough to hold

871
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: the Oregon you know too, maybe twenty four points maximum

872
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: and uh, but I just don't I don't see Col's

873
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: offense being able to reciprocate. Um. And but maybe Monster

874
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: going in knowing that he's going to be the starter

875
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: is a little bit different than Monster is somebody who's

876
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: getting some spot snaps. We'll see. I've Spenter Brash, my

877
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: I who I covered for a really long time. He's

878
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, he's the second string quarterback going into this game,

879
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: and um, you know, who knows if there's maybe enough

880
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: distance between the two teams, and I might see two

881
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Arizona guys in uh In Tyler Schuck and Spencer Brash

882
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: going head to head, that'd be pretty cool for me.

883
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: But um, as it stands, I think that this game

884
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: will be a little bit closer than you're comfortable with. UM,

885
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: but ultimately 're gonna pull it out. See that that

886
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: scares me, And that's what I really hate about the

887
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: um pact. Well, about the about Oregon right now, if

888
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: I were to hate anything, it's the fact that they

889
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: are too conservative, that they don't just go out there

890
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: with that killer instinct offensively to bury team. And that

891
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: is going to be the difference. If they can't get

892
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: that together, Oregan is gonna drop a game, not not

893
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: against like a Washington They're gonna drop a game against

894
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a random, weird team. They're gonna drop a game against

895
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: I know when I say this name name now I'm

896
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: gonna get it. But they're gonna drop a game against

897
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: Washington State, Arizona or Arizona State because they're not being aggressive.

898
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: And Arizona State especially is a team that if you

899
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: let them hang around, they can beat you. Like They've

900
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: proven it all year. They've proved it against Michigan State,

901
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: proved it against cal If you let them hang around,

902
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: they will beat you. And that yeah, Arizona State trying

903
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: to beat Arizona State, it's like trying to stomp a

904
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: cockroach in grass. Like it's just not like you try

905
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: to kill the bug and it just you know, it

906
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: sinks into the ground. It's got a hard shell and

907
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: you can't kill it. Right, So it's it's Cal is

908
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: a little bit the same in that their defense is

909
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: is just built to keep them in games. And uh,

910
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean it would be something else. It would be

911
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: definitely be a statement to see Oregon pull away in

912
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: this game. But I don't. I mean the way that

913
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Oregon likes to kind of be methodical and the way

914
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: they run their offense, they like to have long sustained drives,

915
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: and that's just that's more opportunity for a team like

916
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: Cal to make a play. You know, they're they're not

917
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: out there swinging to the fences, and maybe that's what

918
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: they should do, or stick within their game plan and

919
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: trust what got them to this point in the first

920
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: place and just be happy to too tough a win out. Um.

921
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not giving how much of a chance here. Um,

922
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: And Chase Garber's has a lot to do with it.

923
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: But I probably wouldn't have given how much of a

924
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: chance if he was on the leader. See, I would

925
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: have given him much more of a chance with Chase

926
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: Garber's on the field. Um, we can we can bring

927
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: out some of the stats for this game. In terms

928
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: of scoring offense, Oregon is scoring thirty eight and a

929
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: half points to points a game, Cow scoring twenty three.

930
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: Do you think about there's scoring twenty three points a

931
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: game and are four and one right now? That is

932
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is reminiscent of what they did last

933
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: year when they average nineteen, When they average twenty points

934
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: a game and only gave up nineteen points a game,

935
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: and we're still able to find find wins. It's pretty incredible.

936
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: Um Oregon's rushing offense a hundred fifty four yards a

937
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: game Cow hundred forty forty seven. But I think that

938
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: this is a lot about the defense because I cannot remember.

939
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: I cannot remember a time where I have seen the

940
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks, even though it's only been four games, sitting

941
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: at number one in the pack twelve for total defense,

942
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 1: only giving up two hundred sixty two yards per game.

943
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean remember the Chip Kelly era where he was

944
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: like yards don't matter, only points to Well, this Oregon

945
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: defense is saying yards matter, points matter, inches matter, beat matter,

946
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: first downs matter. You can't have a damn thing. And

947
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: it is actually very satisfying to watch a very good

948
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: defense play football. It is very satisfying. I like it

949
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: because I'm starting to believe and have confidence that this

950
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: is real and not faith Oregon. All stats matter, Ducks.

951
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: I like it. Um, okay, so yes, so we we

952
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: both got Oregon in this game. The next game up

953
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: we got is in time order Oregon State. You see

954
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: U at u c l A U c l A.

955
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: You know my pick. I was looking at the line.

956
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: In this game, U c l A is favored by

957
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: five and a half points at home again O State. Yes, yes,

958
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: they are their favorite by four and a half, five

959
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: and a half points. So hold up, Ralph, you picked

960
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: u c l A to win one game this year.

961
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: They've already won one. So it is time for you

962
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: to concede and say, all right, they're gonna be two

963
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: in up there. They're gonna be two in one in

964
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: the pack twelve through through the first three games. Um,

965
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: I can see nothing and uh and uh, I don't

966
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: think they win this game. I don't why why, Ralph.

967
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: They're bad, man, They're They're just not a good football team. Um,

968
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: they're playing a bad football team. They're playing the worst

969
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: rushing defense in the entire Pack twelve. Think about this.

970
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: The the Organ State has given up a hundred and

971
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: eighty yards rushing every single game. I mean on on average,

972
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: you ce l A has only given up is eighth,

973
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: only giving up a hundred and sixty two. I mean

974
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: like in the scoring defense, U c l A is

975
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: the worst, but Oregan State's not much better. They're giving

976
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: up thirty points a game. So, Ralph, you can't sit

977
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: up here and tell me that in your heart of

978
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: hearts that you believe that it that if Dorian Thompson

979
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Robinson plays, because we're not a shut because he heard

980
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: his ankle last game. What appeared that he heard his

981
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: ankle last last game of what the exact injury is.

982
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: So if he plays, you're gonna tell me that you

983
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: believe that Jake Letton Lutan whatever his name, Artavians, Uh,

984
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: Pierce and Hodgkins are gonna beat Felton, Kelly and Thompson. Yeah, yeah,

985
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: I do. I believe that absolutely. You sit on a

986
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: throne of lies. Ralph, You sit on a throne of lies.

987
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: I do admire about you that you won't let comments

988
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: sans get in the way of your argument, and that

989
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: you are a double down kind of guy, because I

990
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: am too. I mean, I've been right so far, well,

991
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I obviously like I'm very very close to being wrong.

992
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: Because there's not a lot of margin for error and

993
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: saying that a team will win one game. But that

994
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: was bold enough to the point, I mean, I have

995
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: to stick with it. But I genuinely believe in this

996
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: case that that if they don't have Dorian Thompson Robinson,

997
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: you know who knows how that really affects the way

998
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: that their offense runs. But you have a team in

999
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: Oregon State that dropped four touchdowns in sixteen minutes UM

1000
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: against Stanford, and should they just have that ability to

1001
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: go on an offensive run that we Yeah, we saw

1002
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: once from u c l A. But we've also seen

1003
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: U c l A have four games in which they've

1004
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: scored two touchdowns in each game. UM, you know, I

1005
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: have the consistency of Oregon State's offense is a little

1006
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: bit more appealing to me. Home field advantage just isn't. Um,

1007
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: It's just not something that exists really right now for

1008
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: U c l A. I don't know. I don't know

1009
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: if Dorian Thompson Robinson's gonna play or not. UM, I

1010
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: have a little bit more faith in the firepower of

1011
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: Oregon States offense. So U c l A is deep,

1012
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: is played better last last week? Right, or wrong. Yeah,

1013
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: I get some freshman quarterback in the team that refused

1014
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: to run the ball because they couldn't run the ball successfully.

1015
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: Their defense is tight. They didn't try it. They didn't

1016
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: even try. They did not even try to run the ball.

1017
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: They're starting running back had one carry at halftime. One

1018
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I do not have. I refused to believe that you

1019
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: believe this. But but it's okay. I understand you sticking

1020
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: to your guns. We all have our thing, and I

1021
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: I believe that this U c l A team is

1022
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: headed in the right direction. They are. They are getting better,

1023
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: They're keeping games closer, their offense is improving. They only

1024
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: scored fourteen points for three straight weeks in the in

1025
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: the conference, and then they come back with a sixty

1026
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: burger and then they come back with seventeen with with

1027
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: their quarterback out for a lot of the game. Nah,

1028
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: but he missed the final drive, that's it. And they

1029
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: actually moved the ball better without him than they did

1030
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: with him. On that final drive. They just missed a

1031
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: field goal for who knows why? Um, oh yeah, exactly

1032
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: because got it got in the way, a saboteur got

1033
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: in the way. Um. But yeah, I did like U

1034
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: c l a's backup quarterback Austin Burton. The kid didn't

1035
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: even take any warm up throws and just came out,

1036
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: which was like, yeah, yeah, I'm ready to go. You're like,

1037
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: he bro, aren't you gonna take a warm up throws?

1038
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: Like now now, I'm good, I'm solid, I'm ready to go.

1039
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: He's he's got some Steven Montez vibes to him, like

1040
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: he's he's good to just sit back there and and

1041
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: and sling it if you let him. Um, maybe Oregon

1042
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: State will be able to get some pressure with Hamilkar. Again,

1043
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: this is another game where we don't even know who's

1044
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: going to be playing in the game, So all of

1045
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: these evaluations are very multifaceted. We're we're having to discuss

1046
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: alternate realities that might not even exist. Oh for sure. Um,

1047
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: we got um, Washington and Stanford the last game up

1048
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve, a Pack twelve after dark game.

1049
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: So you know what that means. You know what that means.

1050
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: Washington is favorite by sixteen points playing at Stanford. Stanford

1051
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: is spiraling down downhill. There's no chance they win. There's

1052
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: zero chance that they I mean because they're just playing awful.

1053
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: We don't know who's playing quarterback, whether it's k J.

1054
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: Cost Costello or your boy Davis Mills. Cameron Scarlett hasn't

1055
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: had a hundred yard Russian game. Washington just beat usc

1056
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: They are they They're going on to win the Pack

1057
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: twelve Championship. They look unstoppable, Ralph, Right, there's no chance

1058
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: that something weird happens on Pack twelve after Dark. There's

1059
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: always a chance. That's always a chance. Man. Everything in

1060
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: this game points to Stanford Loo using this game and

1061
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: getting demolished. Right, yeah, I would say that that's the case. Yes,

1062
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: but there's Pack twelve after Dark magic, which is kind

1063
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: of why I hate when Pack twelve teams played. Like

1064
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: when Arizona State played Cow last week on a Friday,

1065
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I even though I picked Cow and they should have won,

1066
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: I knew something weird was gonna happen. Actually tweeted it

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: out before the game. I was like, the thing I

1068
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: hate about this game is that it's on a Friday

1069
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: night and this is still part of Pack twelve after

1070
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: Dark Friday nights Thursday night, weird old stuff continuously happens.

1071
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: That's like the year that Oregon went to the National

1072
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: Championship and they played during Rest Country Cancer Awareness Month,

1073
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: and they wore the black and pink jerseys versus Arizona.

1074
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: They Arizona went to Austin and beat them, and then

1075
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: played them in the Pack twelve Championship and lost by

1076
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: a million, and then Oregon went onto the National Championship.

1077
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff that happens on Pack twelve

1078
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: after dark. So I am super subspect of of Stanford

1079
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: actually having some weird old angels in the outfield performance

1080
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: against the Huskies this weekend. I'm with you. I don't

1081
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: like the line. It really feels like Washington should be

1082
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: able to just go in and take care of business

1083
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: in this game, but I'm not sure that they will.

1084
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: These are two coaches who know each other very very well.

1085
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like the sixteen points spread

1086
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: at all. I do think Washington wins the game. I

1087
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: think it'd be devastating for the conference if they didn't. UM,

1088
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: But I am going to pick Washington UM seeing what

1089
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: Ahmed did win healthy last week and then seeing what

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01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: they were able to accomplish without him in a in

1091
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: a hostel um environment where whereas you know, we know

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01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: that the environment isn't really going to factor into what

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: what happens against Stanford as much as as much as

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01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: you know most teams have a home field advantage, they

1095
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: really don't. UM, So I think that I think they

1096
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: still get to win. I think that Washington has shown

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01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: enough that they are a team that can go out

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: and take care of business. UM. But I it's it's

1099
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: really really hard to trust any Pack twelve team playing

1100
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: a night game, um, inside the conference, because you're absolutely right,

1101
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: that's when the nonsense happens. Yeah, I'm going to pick

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: the Washington Huskies to win this game. I think they will.

1103
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: That's where the smart money's at. Stanford is only averaging

1104
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: twenty points per game with this team is completely unrecognizable.

1105
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: I wrote about this in the Pack twelve power rankings

1106
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: this week. They are completely unrecognizable. They're giving up twenty

1107
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: nine points per game. They're only averaging a hundred and

1108
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: twelve rushing yards per game. I mean, this is putrid.

1109
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: They are next to last in the back twelve. The

1110
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: only people who are worse are the air raid is

1111
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: the air raid Washington State. They are completely last in

1112
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: the conference and pass efficiency. They are lasting interceptions. Uh

1113
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:18,520
Speaker 1: that this is like it is terrible. I mean, they are.

1114
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: They are bad at defensive past efficiency. I don't even

1115
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: know what to make of this team. Row they they are.

1116
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: They have lost their identity, they have lost confidence David

1117
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: Shaw has had because it clearly was going off the

1118
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: rails last year. David Shaw, who you could pencil in

1119
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: guaranteed for nine wins. And I remember at Pactwell media days,

1120
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: somebody asked me. They were like, Yo, it's it's there

1121
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: for kind of done or they off the rails right now.

1122
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: It is like, what are you talking about? The dude

1123
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: win nine games every year. I understand that they're going through.

1124
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: It didn't feel quite right, but he wins nine games

1125
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: a year. And I mean, I don't even. They're bad

1126
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: on third down. They're giving up a ton of sacks.

1127
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even. I mean, and they are

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: last in third down opponent, third down conversion Ralph There

1129
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: there is nothing in this game points to the fact

1130
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: that Washington could lose the Stanford But nothing also pointed

1131
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: to the fact that U c l A could beat

1132
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: Washington State. Yeah. I think that. I I think that

1133
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: they coached probably their best game of the season against

1134
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: Oregon State, and it still wasn't enough to keep Oregon

1135
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: State from eventually figuring things out at the end. So, um,

1136
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: are they losing things? Yes? Is it just a down year?

1137
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: Can we give this team grace that we afford to

1138
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: other teams? Um? I don't think we can. I think

1139
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: there's something that feels different about the way that Stanford

1140
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: is backsliding. That feel is more permanent. If that makes sense,

1141
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: then somebody just having a down year or being too young. Um.

1142
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: And I just think it has nothing to do with really,

1143
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: David Shaw. It just has to do with a confluence

1144
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: of factors, one of which is just the n C

1145
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: double A. And maybe maybe this legislation turns around and

1146
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: gives you know, Stanford a little bit more of an

1147
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: infusion um later on. But again, Stanford is pretty tough

1148
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: to get into, and you know, the requirements are a

1149
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit different. Um, the way they recruit is a

1150
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: little bit different. Uh. It's it's just gonna be it's

1151
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: gonna be tough for Stanford to hang on, and it's

1152
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: it's admirable that they have done so up until this point.

1153
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: I think the PAC twelve is much more interesting when

1154
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: Stanford is good and they are a threat Um, but

1155
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: it just doesn't look good for them right now. And

1156
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: I think that, um, you know, if they do go

1157
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: out and get dominated by Washington, then that you can

1158
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: pretty much write them off this year as you know,

1159
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: as a team that will really bother anybody. You you'll

1160
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: probably start thinking about whether or not they're gonna make

1161
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: a bowl, oh for sure. Because here here's the thing

1162
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: about Stanford is that they had gotten they had they

1163
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: got good if you'll allow me to say that they

1164
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: got good and they were able to compete. They had

1165
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: people saying that they are the like a really good

1166
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: team that there you know a few years they won

1167
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: to Pack twelve. Oh, they play an sec style of

1168
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: football and that that got people excited. That got people excited.

1169
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: So and Stanford notoriously, notoriously has really good schedules. So

1170
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: they are in a position to embarrass the conference if

1171
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 1: they're not good because they played Notre Dame every year,

1172
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: they played b y u Net this year and then

1173
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: ino they played Kansas State Vanderbilt, which obviously they cannot

1174
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: lose two. They better not lose two, but it's at Vanderbilt,

1175
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: and then they play Notre Dame as as well. They

1176
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: played TCU coming up Boston College. This is a team

1177
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: that if Stanford's bad, they can potentially embarrass the entire copy.

1178
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I got a sneaking suspicion that

1179
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: that that things will continue to close in on Stanford.

1180
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: And I thought that David Shaw probably should have used

1181
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: what what he had built up to to take an

1182
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: NFL gig a couple of years back, but that's not

1183
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: really the way that he functions. And I think that

1184
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: if he if he goes down with the ship, there's

1185
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: something that's you know, respectable about that. It shows that

1186
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: he really believes in what they tried to build out there.

1187
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: And and I think that, you know, he'll bounce back

1188
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: and land on his feet, but it's going to take

1189
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: something really special for Stanford to stay afloat um and

1190
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: by a float, I mean a threat to win eight

1191
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: to ten games every single year from this point. Agree

1192
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: with that If that David char there will be some

1193
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: admirable about that, Because most coaches jump ship. They jump

1194
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: ship when it doesn't look like that it's continuing at

1195
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: a great course. They build up all this cash and

1196
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: then they cash in their Willie Taggart chips and they

1197
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: get the big paycheck and right off into as my

1198
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: Mike Taston say, then we fade off into oblivion. So

1199
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: so that's that's what it is. Um, you guys, thank

1200
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: you guys for joining the back twelve Apostles podcasts. We

1201
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. But the last thing, Ralph,

1202
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: I've been really creeped out the whole time that we've

1203
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: been on here because I'm on websites and all this stuff.

1204
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: When we're looking up stuff, have Google docs open, um

1205
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: flipping through stuff as well for stuff we're gonna talk about.

1206
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: I continuously keep seeing ads for wedding rings on my stuff,

1207
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: all my stuff for engagement rings. And the crazy part

1208
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: about that is I have a friend who's getting ready

1209
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: to get engaged. I have a friend who's getting ready

1210
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: to get engaged, and this dude has been emailing me

1211
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: pictures of rings because um, and that way his girl

1212
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: his the way his girlfriend doesn't see them if like,

1213
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: because I regularly like the email like because he may

1214
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 1: be on the phone and if I send him a

1215
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: text or something about it, she may be in the

1216
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: car like it, it could be seen. So it's as

1217
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: he's been emailing me about it, But why on earth?

1218
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: But I know that there's zero chance she listens to

1219
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: this podcast or that he listens to it. There there's

1220
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,879
Speaker 1: no way he's playing for the Cleveland Brown right right

1221
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: right now, so he's got no time and she's definitely not.

1222
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why on Earth am I getting all

1223
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: these notifications or adds for rings? I don't need one.

1224
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: My wife has a rick. I'm not getting engaged to

1225
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: anybody else, but their engagement rings pop it up anywhere.

1226
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that this is the scariest

1227
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: thing here. Okay, so is he sending you like photos

1228
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: like as an attachment or is he sending you like

1229
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: links to ones that he finds online and sending the

1230
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: attachment he's sending me screenshots of Okay, yeah, that's creepy.

1231
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: And then obviously you clicked on one of those links

1232
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: out and said like, oh, then it's just the I

1233
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: P you know, it's just cookies and whatever. Clear your browser.

1234
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: But no, this is like one of those things where

1235
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: I say something out loud and then the next thing

1236
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: I see is whatever I said out loud as an

1237
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: advertisement on my Instagram feed. That happens to me every

1238
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: single day. And I'm almost past the point of being

1239
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: creeped out by it because it's just constant. No, I

1240
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: needed to stop. I'm using I P. I mean like

1241
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 1: I P blockers, I'm picking um everything I'm not. So

1242
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: now we're talking about it, and I've said it out loud,

1243
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: and I've never seen an advertisement for a ring of

1244
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: any kind, So now if I see one, I'm gonna

1245
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 1: be pissed. Oh dude, ring, ring, ring, engagement ring. Say

1246
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: say it up, Rolph, say it a few times and

1247
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: come back and tell us next episode if if, if

1248
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: this happened. Yeah, you know what's gonna be funny is

1249
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll be scrolling through Instagram like wondering if I'm going

1250
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: to see a picture of you know, uh, you know

1251
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: zos or whatever trying to sell me an engagement ring,

1252
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: and instead it's gonna be like do you need a

1253
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: ten equity partner for your back twelve conference? Like that's

1254
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: what's gonna pop up in my address. Then they're gonna

1255
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: be doing J G. Whitworth question exactly. All right, guys,

1256
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Make sure you share the episode. Pisa

1257
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: Sketchula