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Speaker 1: I got a chance to sit down with Curtis Malone,

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Speaker 1: someone who was very instrumental in the DC basketball movement

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Speaker 1: back in the day, someone who sat down for some

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Speaker 1: street stuff. Someone who's got a book out right now

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Speaker 1: duality check it out. Hope you guys enjoy this man. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to welcome in Curtis Malone, DC Assault creator.

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Speaker 1: You just got DC Assault back right. Congratulations, your name

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Speaker 1: popped up. Obviously you have ties with my brother. Jack

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Speaker 1: Busy spoke, you know, spoke on you lightly. You know

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Speaker 1: when we sat down and had his interview, author of

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Speaker 1: a new book, talk to us about this book and

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Speaker 1: what you felt it was important at this time to

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I really wanted to tell my story,

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Speaker 2: you know, when everything happened to me when I took

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Speaker 2: the took a fall. You know, I felt like I

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Speaker 2: can give a lot of jewels, you know, kids, husbands, everything,

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Speaker 2: because a lot of things spurrowed down, you know for me.

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Speaker 2: So but I also wanted to make sure people understand

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Speaker 2: and keep pushing. So that was my main reason you

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Speaker 2: know for telling the story. You know, so you went down,

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Speaker 2: what year twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And you got out in twenty twenty, twenty twenty in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, in pandemic.

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Speaker 1: What was obviously we'll get into what obviously got you

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Speaker 3: It was it was pretty smooth.

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Speaker 2: I had gotten They gave me nine months on house arrest,

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Speaker 2: so I couldn't move anywhere, so I couldn't go nowhere.

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Speaker 2: So but what happened was all my friends that everybody

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Speaker 3: So you know, I got a chance to really.

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Speaker 2: Spend time with everybody who wanted to come and see me.

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Speaker 1: Late nineteen eighties get into dealing solid basketball player, but

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Speaker 1: ultimate you chose other route. And d MV basketball history

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Speaker 1: is so rich with talent. One of the hottest pockets

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Speaker 2: You know, DC area is different to anywhere in the

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Speaker 2: country and everything. I mean, I think we've always been

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Speaker 2: you guys remember us when we were young, when DC

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Speaker 2: and salt style. I mean, you got to be tough

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's too many places going to outbeat

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Speaker 3: So for me, I just think that. Man.

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Speaker 2: They say it's something in the water that the kids drink,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they love basketball and football and you know, athletics.

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Speaker 1: Late eighties, begin dealing crack. D C was the murder

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Speaker 1: capital at the time, started off with PCP. How did

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Speaker 3: Well, just saying it every day my environment, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh, the guys and the people I looked up to,

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Speaker 2: some guys my godfather, my uncle, you know. So just

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Speaker 3: And I never was a user.

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Speaker 2: So my goal is if I'm gonna do something wrong,

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Speaker 2: I needed invest in selling it and making some money

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you did it out of a try to try

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Speaker 1: to obviously better your situation, but also harming the community.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you know that always crossed your mind.

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Speaker 2: Again, I have a I have a sister that was

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Speaker 2: And the difference is you don't see you don't always

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Speaker 3: Home to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Ninety two, first time incarcerated, you get out and

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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to still change lives because again I

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Speaker 2: at the rec center. From there we started DC's sought

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Speaker 2: Man and it was just about changing lives, man, I mean,

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Speaker 3: And from there it just it went to the moon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in the system raising right here.

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Speaker 1: When you say DC assault, It's always been at the

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell people all the time, we may not

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Speaker 2: have been the most talented, but I don't think there

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Speaker 3: Harder than than us, you know.

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Speaker 2: And when we started early in the nineties, man, we

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Speaker 1: Back home, the whole process, you know.

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Speaker 2: So you know, until later on, you know, we ain't

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Speaker 2: have no kids coming out of no. Five hundred, eight

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Speaker 1: Now, in your early DC assault days, were you still

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, early on when I first started, yes, I was.

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Speaker 2: I started seeing the management side could change my life,

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Speaker 2: you know, So that's what I wanted to pursue.

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Speaker 1: How far in if the assault started, what yeard you

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Speaker 1: guys start the assault ninety three? Okay, so how far

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Speaker 1: in did you kind of be like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: Bague around ninety five. But also I seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is my way out. This is my son,

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Speaker 1: You know, talk to us about the mindset and the

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Speaker 1: hopping back in this whole new game. I coach this

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Speaker 2: I mean again, I believe that the toughness of the kids,

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Speaker 3: Came from, Uh, they were just tough kids.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about hungry kids and they're gonna

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Speaker 3: I mean, but these kids today is night and day.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know you curse all the kids out all the time,

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Speaker 2: so I like to see what your what your team,

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Speaker 3: But they probably look at you different because they believe.

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Speaker 1: In you and they've seen you've had our core for

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Speaker 1: a minute. And still even with that said, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's always been the same. But I think that

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Speaker 1: lot more access to shit. Kids have the stuff now

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Speaker 1: that we had to get to the league to get us,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So to me, it's only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's different.

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Speaker 1: Did John Thompson help kind of the grassroots part of

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Speaker 2: John Thompson back in ninety two ninety three, Big John.

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Speaker 2: He ended up calling George Ravelin and got us our

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Speaker 2: first contract with Nike. Nike No, so from there we

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Speaker 1: What was your relationship like with John?

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Speaker 3: It was great, great, real good. One of my favorite people.

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Speaker 3: We had a great relationship.

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Speaker 1: What did what kind of stuff early on did Nike

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot, you know, It's still was us

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't a lot, but just wearing Nike.

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Speaker 3: Man, we ain't got to pay for the kids to travel.

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Speaker 1: And that's everything for the kids too.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, like they Nike crazy? Uh huh they everything

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit. I remember shit because we were Adidas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I still remember that wasn't shit like it. Although

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Speaker 1: I feel like Adidas is more cracking back then, like

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Speaker 1: there still wasn't nothing like Nikes.

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Speaker 3: Nike is the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are the best.

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Speaker 3: I'll give them their props.

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Speaker 2: But again, even recruiting kids today. You know, I don't

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Speaker 3: Make you so true.

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Speaker 2: If you want to be a player, you know, then

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Speaker 2: in whatever shoe you wear Converse, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned early on you started the assault with Troy Weaver,

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Speaker 1: who's now in the NBA mid nineties about ninety five.

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Speaker 1: How did Sonny convince you guys to cross over to Adidas.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny story.

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Speaker 2: We were playing in a tournament in Baltimore and we

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Speaker 2: ended up beating Gary Charles team lamar Odham in Khalid Alaman.

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Speaker 1: And you know Gary Leuis Island Panthers, Long Island Panthers

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Speaker 2: And you know, Gary runs over after the game. He's

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Speaker 2: you gotta get on the phone with Sonny. You gotta

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Speaker 2: get on the phone with Sonny. I'm like, who is

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So we end up and that's the day me and

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Speaker 3: You were Nike.

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Speaker 2: My buddy Mike Brown was like, man, we need to

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Speaker 2: go to big Time. So we didn't, you know, Sonny

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Speaker 2: was like, oh no, you can go to peace damn after.

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Speaker 3: But you I will send you a check.

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Speaker 2: He sent a check for twenty five thousand that Monday

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Speaker 3: You know, Troy didn't like it though.

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Speaker 1: But what year was that?

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Speaker 2: That was ninety ninety six, twenty five, yeap ninety four,

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about your relationship with Sonny. I just

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Speaker 1: But but but tell me who's Sonny was? Because we

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Speaker 1: Because we were eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, like you

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought he was, you know, and and coming

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Speaker 2: So we established a real good relationship. He understood that

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Speaker 1: Who are some of the kids that you started with

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Speaker 2: Days, Damar was our first NBA you know, DeMar was

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Speaker 3: I might leave something.

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Speaker 1: So it was about I don't think people realize obviously

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Speaker 3: All He deamar was before his.

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Speaker 2: Point, god you Know tracy And, lamar those guys were,

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Speaker 1: WHEN i got he was a little bit younger than,

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Speaker 3: It, all, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was he had a chance to be a, really

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Speaker 1: Special player Pressure from adidas at times to maintain certain

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Speaker 2: I mean sunny gave us leverage to go get. The

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Speaker 2: ADIDAS and I, mean sonny like go kick.

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Speaker 3: Their ass and that's what. WE did i think as a.

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Speaker 1: Brand before it, was okay it used to be illegal

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff were you guys doing to trying to

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Speaker 2: Top, kids WELL what i most of THE time i

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Speaker 2: built a relationship with the parents if they, had parents whether, it's, grandmother, aunt,

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Speaker 2: i'm going to find out what neighborhood the, kid From

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Speaker 2: and i'm going to see who the biggest drug deal in,

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Speaker 2: that area who, got influenced and That's.

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Speaker 3: What i'm going. To SEE so i can you know

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Speaker 3: if you know? The kid, he, like yeah you. Want

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Speaker 3: them i'm, like yeah and, you know so we were.

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Speaker 2: Just feel it didn't cost a lot. To do we

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Speaker 2: would make sure the parents could go see their kid

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Speaker 2: if they wanted. To go we didn't have a the

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Speaker 1: Back, then beasley first time you, saw him what did

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Speaker 3: His game it's, just okay he couldn't chew and walk

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Speaker 2: Hands big, old feet and uh but he he had

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Speaker 2: he had a ways, to go, you know he he

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Speaker 2: but he worked hard and you start.

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Speaker 1: Seeing it he was someone you brought into, your home,

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Speaker 1: you know helped, get by helped his mom, get by

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Speaker 1: talk to us about the Journey with Michael.

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Speaker 3: H it was. A, Journey ship it was.

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Speaker 2: A journey but, you know for the for the, most part,

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Speaker 2: you Know when mike came to, our home, you know

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Speaker 2: he was just, another kid but he ended up staying

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Speaker 1: Average kid but about what age did you? Get, him

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Speaker 2: Or thirteen and he was a kid THAT again i

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Speaker 2: wanted to help change his life because he was going

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Speaker 3: A kid, you know he was getting. In trouble, you

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Speaker 3: know always, was bad, you know out.

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Speaker 2: Of control but when he, got there, you Know with Nolan,

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Speaker 2: and sydney, my daughter they just took him in like

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Speaker 2: he was a, family member and so you started to see,

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Speaker 2: the change and he started to see the.

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Speaker 3: Bigger picture so he bought.

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Speaker 1: Into it when did you feel like he got and

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Speaker 1: saw that basketball could possibly be his way Out of

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Speaker 1: what age did you think it clicked?

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Speaker 2: FOR him i would probably, say, ninth, ninth, ninth ninth.

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Speaker 3: Tenth grade, you know he really.

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Speaker 1: Took Off after beasley MADE, the nba you felt like

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Speaker 1: things kind of. Went south what do you feel went

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Speaker 1: wrong and what actually?

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Speaker 2: Went, wrong well, YOU know i believe that man most

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Speaker 2: of the time when when kids, become successful the first

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Speaker 2: thing everybody do is now try to get in.

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Speaker 3: Their ear the circle became more bigger.

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Speaker 2: From THERE and i just Think, that michael he listened

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Speaker 2: to a lot of things that people, were saying and

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Speaker 2: These things so people telling them things and then it

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Speaker 3: To me, i'm like what where did that? Come from?

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Speaker 2: You KNOW so i just think that, you know one

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Speaker 2: Thing that michael did know Is that i'm about to

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Speaker 2: get back into the, agent THING and i Felt like

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Speaker 2: mike is good enough to help me build UP what

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Speaker 2: i want to build up. And DO like i always

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Speaker 2: tell people before The, RICH pauls i was trying to

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Speaker 2: get into that we all were back then as a,

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Speaker 2: You guys motts and you, know everybody and, you know

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Speaker 3: Just LEFT he i don't know. WHAT happened i still

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: WHAT happened i always said, to him why don't we

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Speaker 2: sit down and talk when you feel like you're old enough,

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Speaker 2: To talk because at the end of, THE day i

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Speaker 2: ain't never done nothing.

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Speaker 3: To you knowing my family have.

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Speaker 1: You been able to sit down and have that conversation? With.

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Speaker 2: Him no, you KNOW when i, WAS away i thought

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Speaker 2: he was gonna come. Visit me he said he wanted

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Speaker 2: to see me and wanted to, you know but, again,

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Speaker 2: No No, michael beasley he.

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Speaker 1: Was a number two pick in the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight draft To The. Miami heat when did you feel

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Speaker 1: like your relationship started to change for the worst before?

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Speaker 2: The, draft, okay yeah before, THE draft i started to

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Speaker 2: just see it getting out.

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Speaker 1: Of control just a young kid with a lot of

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Speaker 2: His, ear yeah and then, my discipline he wasn't trying

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Speaker 2: to hear, that much and a lot of the things that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he say some of the things are the

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Speaker 2: THINGS that i tried to have. Him do and from

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Speaker 2: there it just everybody was in. His ear The mom

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Speaker 2: the goal was to get, him away get me away from,

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Speaker 2: from Him because i'm the only person that he hadway

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Speaker 2: listened to in his.

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Speaker 1: Whole life why was the goal to get him away? From?

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Speaker 3: You then THAT'S what i still don't.

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Speaker 1: Figure out.

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Speaker 2: YOU know I thought i helped change, people lives, you

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Speaker 2: KNOW and i couldn't Understand why curtis become the bad

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Speaker 2: guy you KNOW what. I Mean and i've been nothing.

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Speaker 2: But good nobody did Anything for mike from the day

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Speaker 2: he came, to me and the MOTHER and i were

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Speaker 2: like brothers, and sisters. You know, but again everybody wanted

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Speaker 2: a piece of, the pie and he just didn't, stand

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Speaker 2: UP like. I mean it Happened with tomorrow a, little

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Speaker 2: Bit but tomorrow told his family, WITHOUT him i wouldn't,

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Speaker 2: be here so nobody could say anything bad about him.

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Speaker 1: Through that KIND of i won't call it, a breakup but,

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Speaker 1: you guys kind of Not seeing. Ayai anymore you said

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Speaker 1: that you slipped back into. The, game yeah started drinking

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Speaker 1: heavier in the drug game hair ron cocaine, in particular

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Speaker 1: the pres and, SET in i believe.

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Speaker 2: IT did i tried to use the alcohol to to

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Speaker 2: help get, over that, You know and it was a

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Speaker 2: it was a very very, HURTFUL time, i think because

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Speaker 2: we had put so much time in to build this,

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Speaker 2: could change you KNOW what.

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Speaker 3: I mean so it was it was a.

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Speaker 1: Rough time so two ninety three is you step away from,

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Speaker 1: the game you jump back in it in eight, nine eight?

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Speaker 1: Okay eight and what? Was it obviously the game, had

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Speaker 1: changed sin since what was the game like for you at?

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Speaker 2: That, time well all of my friends were still in,

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Speaker 2: any game so it wasn't anything for me, to say,

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Speaker 2: you know let me.

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Speaker 1: Do they have a welcome back party? For?

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Speaker 3: You oh they, Always.

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Speaker 2: Did they, always, did right, you know and, They, like

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Speaker 2: bro you don't need To and, i'm, like man give

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Speaker 2: me a couple. Of, things man, give me give me out.

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Speaker 2: Right quick let me SEE what i, can do and

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Speaker 2: so it just, snowball.

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Speaker 1: Talk well talk, to ME like i. Want, to like

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Speaker 1: what was? That? Like though, you know my pops was

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Speaker 1: in the space you. Were in it took the, right route,

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Speaker 1: you know sit didn't work out the way you thought

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Speaker 1: it should have or, could have and then your right

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Speaker 1: back kind of almost where you started at at an,

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Speaker 1: older age, obviously knowingmore but still since still trying to make. Ends,

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Speaker 1: meet yeah what was?

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Speaker 3: That, like well it was.

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Speaker 2: It was it was a difficult time to get back,

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Speaker 2: into it you KNOW what? I MEAN BECAUSE i I Played,

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Speaker 2: TUGGLE war i, WANT to i don't.

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Speaker 3: WANT to i, WANT to.

444
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: I don't so, for, Me man i'm a risk, taker

445
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: anyway so always.

446
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 3: Have been all of. My Life but i'm a smooth.

447
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: RISK take i ain't gonna make if it don't, MAKE

448
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: sense i ain't gonna. Take it so, for me it

449
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: was it was just it. WAS smooth i mean to

450
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: get back IN because i didn't have. AN issue i

451
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: have friends selling a lot of stuff, making MONEY so

452
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: i can go to my friend, and, say HEY if

453
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: i get something where you bind, like yeah.

454
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: Of course.

455
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: So Yeah, nolah smith, your stepson his rise TO the

456
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: nba kind of coincided with you taking a step back

457
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: and getting back in. The streets how were you able

458
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: to balance that as still kind of the man in

459
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: his life but then also back in the.

460
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 3: Streets, HUSTLING well i, you, know again it.

461
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't hard it was very very SMOOTH because I didn't

462
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: i never was really in.

463
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: The STREETS everything i did, was private, is done is,

464
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: over WITH and i could still Be present Pops to.

465
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: Nolan and still over There, with mike you KNOW what.

466
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: I mean so it was it was. Real smooth it

467
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: didn't take, you know it didn't stress me out to.

468
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: Do it you as a mentor and, a leader what

469
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: you turned into in your community starting your program telling

470
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: kids not to, do something but then again you doing. It,

471
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: yourself yeah talk to me.

472
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: About, that well that was one of the biggest UH

473
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 2: issues i had, with myself, you know to, you know

474
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: with The, Book duplicity i'm living.

475
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: A lie i'm telling the kid not to.

476
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: Do something and one of the worst feelings ever WAS

477
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: when i WAS at dc jail and two of my

478
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: players are there in, the, like coach what you're?

479
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: Doing here n, You know And and I'M saying i.

480
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: Was selfish, YOU know i was being SELFISH because i didn't,

481
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: YOU know i didn't stay out, of that so, you

482
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: know it was it was a, tough time but.

483
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: A disappointment again not to not to to praise the,

484
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: street activity but you were using that money to, help

485
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: families help families and help kids and so that they

486
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't have To Take. Robin HOOD yeah I Was.

487
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: Robin Hood UH and i should Have, BEEN batman, i guess.

488
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 3: But you know it did, you.

489
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: Know the money in THE money i made THE lifestyle

490
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: i was able to live and to help change people

491
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: Like because i've always been the type.

492
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: OF person i love to make. EVERYBODY happy, i.

493
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: Loved, you know playing high school AND when, i played,

494
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: YOU know i twenty five assists in the GAME because

495
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: i make everybody around.

496
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: Me better it's always been my character on and off.

497
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: The court, you know it's my flaw that that's that's,

498
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: my character THE way i, Was raised so, you know

499
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: it was.

500
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: It was it.

501
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: Was tough when did you kind of have TO start

502
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: i don't know looking over your shoulder is the, right

503
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: word but, understood that, you know what you were doing was,

504
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: drawing attention and, you know people started looking at you

505
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: a little.

506
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: Bit different, well AGAIN and i believe in two thousand,

507
00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: AND nine i had realized that they had missed me

508
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: on a conspiracy case.

509
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: Out here from, out here from out.

510
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: Here that they WAS from la and the guys ended

511
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: up getting arrested and they said that they had a

512
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: few more indictments that was.

513
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: Coming DOWN so i realized it, was real.

514
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: You KNOW so i was going through my stress and

515
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: one then when are they?

516
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 3: Gonna come, you know so you gotta be prepared if.

517
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: They come walk us through, that THOUGH because i don't

518
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: think people understand that type, of pressure you KNOW what,

519
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: i mean your one foot out of, the streets but

520
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: your one foot ind of, helping people the man of,

521
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: the house being, a father, you know being. A partner

522
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: but then, also, like like what is that day, to

523
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: day night.

524
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: To, night well it's some days it could be Very

525
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: and i'm not gonna say Stressful because i'm not a very.

526
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: STRESSFUL person i don't really. Get STRESSED but i had

527
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: to make sure everything was, in. ORDER okay i also

528
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: had a good team of guys on that side of,

529
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: the fence and that makes your job much more easier

530
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: when you don't have to deal with a bunch, of bs.

531
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: You know SO if i got a crew of, five

532
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: guys them just my, five GUYS and i don't see,

533
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: nobody else you KNOW what. I mean people came up

534
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: to me trying to, be, like man are you you

535
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: know you back in. THE streets i need.

536
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: Some, Help nah i'm not, doing nothing. You KNOW so

537
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: i kept it secret AS best.

538
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: I could but with, you know it's just it's everything

539
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: go downhill if one person get in.

540
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: Trouble, starts singing you KNOW what?

541
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean?

542
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: You KNOW so, I REALIZED so i knew that my

543
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: connect from out here Had gotten they had. Gotten them

544
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: they took THE money i had just sent like one

545
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: point eight back.

546
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: Out here how.

547
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: Does something like that going To get i'm talking for

548
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: people who have. No clue how do you get one

549
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: point EIGHT from DC. To la in the early, two thousands.

550
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Back back in, the day we would, you, know trucks,

551
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: you know you get The eighteen williston come across. The

552
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: country but back then we were.

553
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: Private planes talked us about that lifestyle because, it's different

554
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: you KNOW what. I mean it's a. Different game it's

555
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: it's a. Luxurious game but, you, know again my dad

556
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: was in, the streets and there's no like happy endings for,

557
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: guys like, you know for guys that go down, that

558
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: path not.

559
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: At all it's and it's not a good and it's

560
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: only two ways.

561
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: In JAIL and i again me risking but Always saying

562
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: i'm about.

563
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: To stop i'm. About done, You know i'm.

564
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: About done was the money too good to kind of? Step?

565
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: Away though the money was?

566
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: Pretty good, uh huh, it was, you know it was.

567
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: Pretty good, BUT again, i mean it's just like you, an,

568
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: athlete right it's. A lifestyle, you know you just seeing

569
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of your teammates and guys who once they,

570
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: make it, you know you got to keep up, the

571
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: lifestyle you KNOW what. I mean and now on top of,

572
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: the lifestyle you got to be able to spend whatever

573
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: you need to with.

574
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: The program you got to be able to help.

575
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: The parent you got to make sure they getting, they

576
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: monthly they getting taken, care of. You know so, it becomes,

577
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: you know a lot that you don't even realize how much.

578
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: You're doing, you know.

579
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: It's DIFFERENT going i come out here for three days

580
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: and come and spend thirty Thousand, on rodale, you know like,

581
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: you know guys can just wipe.

582
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: A card, YOU know i had to bring, all hundreds

583
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: you KNOW what. I mean but.

584
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: It.

585
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: Was hard it was. Stressful though it got stressed.

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Because it kept getting bigger and Bigger than the first

587
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: thing they always say.

588
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: Is can you handle? Some more, you know we got?

589
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: Some more, you know the guys Up in baltimore. They slow,

590
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: you know we got forty. Up there can we bring

591
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: them down there? To You and, i'm, like yeah so

592
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: it's sparrowed out.

593
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: His control did your ego get in? The way, of.

594
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Course, ego degreed, you, know, greed selfish the arrogant you

595
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: know side of, having money, you know and and, YOU

596
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: know I know i probably have, urrogan WAYS but i

597
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: wasn't the same humble Guy.

598
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: That I'm that i've always been AND who. I became,

599
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: YOU know i had.

600
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: To go on, to prison make, you it make you

601
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: sit back down, and realize, all right put your seat belt.

602
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: ON it i, PROBABLY sure i can imagine light skin.

603
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Good here they probably couldn't tell you ship for.

604
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: A MINUTE well i was always, bad though, you know

605
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: being a high school basketball player, pretty, Good Right and

606
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: red guys was in in.

607
00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: The eighties.

608
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: WE were i don't think we ever really.

609
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: Left NOW so i left the dogs.

610
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: Just to make themselves fear take.

611
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: A sleep i, let them, YOU know i let them,

612
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: talk THAT but i, always say we ain't.

613
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Went, nowhere, no yeah we ain't. Going nowhere federal drug crack,

614
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: down operations snowbird sentence for real feedback, from parents, former,

615
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: players coaches when they kind of found out all of

616
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: this to come. Crashing down what was?

617
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: That, like well it was.

618
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: IT was i was very NERVOUS because i JUST knew

619
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: i let the whole community on THE.

620
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: News espn it's a lot of, weight though you KNOW what.

621
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: I Mean and i'm not saying no, pun Intended but

622
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: i'm saying you were taking care of a.

623
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: Whole community, yeah yeah but, you know no, matter what

624
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 2: you're going to have the people who judge it doesn't

625
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: even like, you know it doesn't matter what you did or.

626
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: Your past you know people are going to.

627
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: Judge you, SO really i had, to realize are you

628
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna lay down and face it or are you gonna

629
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: worry about what? People say my thing is the Last

630
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: thing i'm gonna do is Worry about if you want

631
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: to be on, my Team and i've been on your

632
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: team all, these years then let's.

633
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: Do it if, you don't then you can go on about.

634
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Your business talk to us about the day they came and.

635
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Got you what was? The morning was you? To wake was?

636
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: You asleep what was?

637
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: Going on it was, the evening about seven o'clock On a,

638
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: friday NIGHT and i had already started.

639
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: Drinking during.

640
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: The day made, a run me and a partner mine counted,

641
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: you know about three hundred some. Thousand Dollars and i'm

642
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: glad they didn't come to THE place i was at

643
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: first because they was following me.

644
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: All day okay did you?

645
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: Know, That no but day ended up arresting.

646
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: My cousin so when they got him and the way they,

647
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: DID it i didn't really think it was.

648
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: For me and, you know at, the end of. THE

649
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: day i just thought he did a. Traffic stop he got.

650
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: In trouble so about seven eight they pulled me in

651
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: the buddy of mine over and they tell HIM to

652
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: i tried to give him.

653
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: My phone they, was like step out.

654
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: The.

655
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: CAR you i had to open a red cup and

656
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: step out.

657
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: The car SO when i realized all these cars didn't

658
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: look like regular, POLICE cars, i said this right. Right

659
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: here so they told me they do a THING in

660
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: dc all hands, on decks so they'll go around if

661
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: you drinking, in public they'll. Wrest you just trying to

662
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: clean the streets up looking. For guns SO when i

663
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: got to, THE station i seen some of the girls

664
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood where we'd be.

665
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: At around, the PROJECTS and I said they, WAS like, i.

666
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: Said DAMN so i end up. That day it was a,

667
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: normal day going to, hang out going, to drink going.

668
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: To PARTY and I hadn't i ain't come back home for.

669
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Seven years what was it like when you first got in,

670
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: with yourself when you're when when you're sitting in that

671
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: in the in that, cement room what was going through

672
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: your head at?

673
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: That time it's over you KNOW what?

674
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean what were you facing well.

675
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: On, THIS one i think around twelve.

676
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: Eleven twelve what ended up HAPPENING is i had copped

677
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: a plea to do a nine to eleven, plea BARGAIN

678
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: which i shouldn't have been because the amount of drugs

679
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: they found really didn't equal to. The time but what

680
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: ended up happening to prosecutor wanted me so bad for

681
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: the times they missed me on a previous investigation that

682
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: they knew everything about it.

683
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: On, you yeah.

684
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: So it was it was out. For ME so i

685
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: got a two point reduction. THAT year a lot of

686
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: people getting out of prison on two.

687
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Point, reduction uh some Laws.

688
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: That obama, Them asked and so my sentence went from seven,

689
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 2: to nine from nine, to eleven seven. To nine so

690
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: the judge she wanted to she wanted to give me

691
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: nine years, the highest, you know but she ended up

692
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: going in the middle. Of IT but I knew i

693
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 2: thought it. Was, over uh there was gonna.

694
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: Be worse than what.

695
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: It was once you're. In there how many people did

696
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: you see? Change up would you say majority stuck? With

697
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: you half? And half how many people turn their back?

698
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: On, you uh it wasn't many because some people removed

699
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: their self, a little, you, know okay but you know

700
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: a lot of PEOPLE like i had friends who were,

701
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: police officers so, you.

702
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Know they like their bosses bringing them. In there what

703
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: are you doing with?

704
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: This guy because they see they on my phone calls

705
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: when they, you know listening on all. My calls, YOU

706
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: know i see a strange car down, THE street i call, A, buddy,

707
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: hey man run this tag.

708
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: Number all this under the on.

709
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: The investigation they hear all this you running, and guys

710
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: people almost lost, their job.

711
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: You know because of me AND what i. Was doing

712
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: so you're in many though not many did turn it back.

713
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: On, Me man when you're, in prison you're sitting back

714
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: and you're seeing your step son and other kids that

715
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: you helped pave the way to get to where, they

716
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: at which WAS. The nba how hard was that?

717
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 3: For, you well it Was a it was. A tough

718
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: it was more Tough for nolan.

719
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: Because he worked so hard to get there AND then

720
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: i wasn't there for him when he.

721
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 3: Got there SO.

722
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: That i think that ate me up more than a

723
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: lot of the, other kids because once they, make it,

724
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: you know you, you're.

725
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: Successful you KNOW what, I mean you've accomplished. Your dream but.

726
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: FOR him i couldn't be there when he was going

727
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: through his ups and downs and he wanted to change

728
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: agents and different things when he was, inland playing and

729
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: so you know that was that was very very.

730
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: Hurtful feeling, YOU know i was. VERY disappointed i.

731
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Couldn't with your guy's relationship like, we great he came to, See,

732
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: me Yeah my nolan and His.

733
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: Sister sidney you know any?

734
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: Other players, well, yeah, YEAH yeah i.

735
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: Mean, EVERYBODY nobody I Mean KEITH bogan's, i mean guys were.

736
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: Putting money on my only person turning back on me.

737
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: His, Mic, interesting YEAH so i was TO evidently i

738
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: was the bad guy to him or whatever was in.

739
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: His mind but other, than, THAT nobody, I Mean, quinn

740
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: cook guys came to.

741
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: See me. So nobody at the peak.

742
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Of your of your time in. The streets how much

743
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: money are we? Talking about what?

744
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: For me?

745
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: For you probably about one? Point, six okay when you were?

746
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Locked down what did you reflect on the most while you're?

747
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: In there you?

748
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: KNOW what? I what I what i.

749
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: REALLY reflected i reflect on really getting, myself together preparing

750
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: myself for, what's NEXT because i don't have a. Life

751
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: sentence you, KNOW what, i MEAN so I know i'm.

752
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: Coming home it's a light at the end of, the tunnel.

753
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: You know so, FOR me i wanted to DO everything

754
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: i wanted.

755
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: TO do i wrote, my book, YOU know i got

756
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: and was getting, in shape still, playing back. Playing AGAIN

757
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: but i just had to reflect on me and HOW

758
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: do i become A better CURTIS when, i return. You

759
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: know AND so i DIDN'T do i, Did WRONG but

760
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: i didn't do a lot of, people, bad right, YOU

761
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: know i did most good for the People who i've.

762
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: Who've been in myself weren't a. Bad, PERSON yeah, i,

763
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: did yeah. Bad things, you're, right yes you.

764
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Get out What day.

765
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: May, twenty first twenty twenty.

766
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: What what was that? Day like talk to me about.

767
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: That, day well it was a it was a great,

768
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: day man because my, new wife she's, not new my,

769
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: wife now, you know picked me up and to be

770
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 2: able to hold her in. My arms and the first

771
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: stop we get to go and see. MY dad i

772
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: don't have to see.

773
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: Him in the visiting hall, no more, you know.

774
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Walking slow to the, concession stands, you know getting popcorn out.

775
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: The machine but it was all.

776
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: About family that Was my THAT'S all i wanted to

777
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: get back to.

778
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: You said you reflected a lot. On yourself what did

779
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: you learn most about yourself during that time he?

780
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: Was, down WELL what i promised Myself Is curtis malone

781
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: can't take care and save the world like he.

782
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: Always had, you know AND realize i eliminated a lot.

783
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: Of circle, you know SOME people i just don't need

784
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 2: to be with all around, you know if you really ain't,

785
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: LIKE family i don't really need to be, around you

786
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: you KNOW what. I mean AND plus i don't have

787
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: nothing give, you now, you know so most, of them,

788
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: you know they got. To have i'm getting calls from

789
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: jail send me, SOME money, i, SAID damn i got

790
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: to send money?

791
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: From prison when do you send? Some money on?

792
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: My books For au from What you scott started with

793
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: in the early nineties to today is. Completely different water

794
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: DOWN n i l is in. The mix when you

795
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: started hearing it was legal to help kids kids make

796
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: money off their image. And likeness what were your?

797
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: Initial thoughts Why couldn't nil be around when?

798
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Was?

799
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: Playing?

800
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Man?

801
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: OH man i was, you know Me and troy laugh?

802
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: ONE day, i, Said man, troy, said man we would

803
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: have had a private PLANE with dc and.

804
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: So on the side.

805
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Of them but it's it's changed, a, lot MAN and

806
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: i think that it's a blessing that these kids can't

807
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: get paid for, Me though and not to SOUND like,

808
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: I hate i just.

809
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 3: Think it's, too much.

810
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: You KNOW and i don't even think most of the

811
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: kids want to even play at the. NEXT level i

812
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: think they just hope they make it, the college get an.

813
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: NIL deal i don't see, the drive, you know ain't.

814
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: No courts everybody, got trainers, YOU know i call all them.

815
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: Cone babies but the game is just.

816
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: Different NOW and i had to Jest because i'm used

817
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: to kids diving on the floor in the, old school,

818
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: YOU know i don't see the coaches yelling at. THE

819
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: guys i go see a, Kid play, i'm, like damn

820
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: the kid turned the ball over four straight times and

821
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: the coach ain't said.

822
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: Nothing, afraid yeah.

823
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: It's changed everybody cater to.

824
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Them, Now YEAH and i mean we talked about. THIS

825
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: earlier i mean it's, YOU remember i was getting a

826
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: little bit of MONEY, at ucla BUT when i got to,

827
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: the pros it WAS like i burned through my first

828
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: three or four years, like this you KNOW what i mean.

829
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Of money so it's, only NATURAL and i was in

830
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: my early to. Mid twenties it's only natural for a

831
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: teenage kid that doesn't have to come from nothing to not.

832
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Know nothing parents probably don't. Know nothing with all, this

833
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: money a couple, hundred thousand five, hundred thousand a million thrown,

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: at you it's natural to me to take your foot off.

835
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: The gas it's natural to, lose focus it's natural to

836
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: lose that drive because you have everything now that you

837
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: used to have to get, to exactly and you got

838
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: it before you've really even, earned it so.

839
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: To, speak, yeah, yeah yeah. It's changed.

840
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: IT'S changed i mean kids now they don't even evaluate

841
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: a coach where they're going to play.

842
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: At all they care about who giving the. MOST, MONEY

843
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: yep i had. A kid, i'm, like bro do you?

844
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Do?

845
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: It sometimes matter where you get your degree from down?

846
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: The road you KNOW what?

847
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean are you going to go to, certain schools

848
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: which some of them schools that's paying the. Most money

849
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: you'll never go back and visit that place when, you're done,

850
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: You know but it's that degree gonna. MEAN something i

851
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: don't even think the kids even think about no stuff.

852
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: Like that they don't care about. A degree they don't care.

853
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: About it how many pros the coach then had about

854
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: who make? A pro who's gonna help you be? A

855
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: pro i don't think they they any.

856
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: OF that I feel i've been in this space for

857
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: eight going on nine years now as a coach and,

858
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: a father THAT the, aau system the, grassroots system is.

859
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: FALLING behind i feel like the kids from over the

860
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: water are coming in and making their presence felt more.

861
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: Than ever to, your point, Owned babies our kids are,

862
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: super skilled but that we, lack iq we, lack creativity

863
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: is because we're locked up in a gym with a

864
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: coach all day or a trainer all day that never

865
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: even played where you want, to go never even got

866
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: to the level you try, to go and charging you

867
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: all kinds. Of money and again it's just, to me lacks.

868
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: SO much, i mean kids without without, the ball you you'll.

869
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: See it but if you don't have the ball in,

870
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: your hands kids are. Standing around unless you're in a

871
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: good program that make you have movement and understand what is.

872
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: Going on how do you feel like that can be

873
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: changed because you came from. AN era i came from

874
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: an era where coaches were coaching and teaching us the game.

875
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: Of basketball obviously we worked out our skilled training wasn't a.

876
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Big deal. Back then we used to play basketball all.

877
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: The time we used to get out to the parks

878
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: of the gyms. And hoop how do you feel like

879
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: we can get back to having more well rounded kids in.

880
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: THIS space i don't know if. We could, OH shit.

881
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 3: I don't i. REALLY don't. I don't i really don't

882
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: don't know if.

883
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: We, could man, you know you'll have the kids who,

884
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: you know, have parents, you know, like you who know

885
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: what to take to make it and gonna.

886
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Push, your children push them to be. A PLAYER but.

887
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't i don't think.

888
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: We could, you KNOW when i JUST, started, dc sought,

889
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: you KNOW and i hired some of.

890
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: MY coaches, i said, YOU know.

891
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: I may not have we ain't gonna have the rant

892
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: money or take, Over money but at the end of,

893
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: the day the GUYS that i bring on, With me

894
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: i'm gonna back my money on them. As coaches you

895
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: KNOW what, I MEAN because I know i Can't, Beat

896
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: nike but at the end of, the DAY if i

897
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: can get the. Better coaches some parents. Want that some

898
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: parents don't care about what shoe brand. It is some

899
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: parents want their kid to. Get coached but all, IN

900
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: all i don't know if we.

901
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: GET back, i mean if you look at, YOU know

902
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: i may.

903
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Not see it at. Almost sixty so.

904
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: If you look at the five best in the game right,

905
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: NOW before, i mean obviously You throw kevin, in there

906
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: you Could throw steph, in there you Could throw lebron.

907
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: In there but those guys are on the backside of.

908
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: The career the young core OF the nba is.

909
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: Foreign, players yes and our better player is about to go,

910
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: You know LEBRON and kd.

911
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 1: On the. Back, side, yeah yeah talk to Me About navar.

912
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: Bowman bo he's. MY homie i was obviously a huge

913
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: fan of him On. The niners he ends up moving

914
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: out HERE from i think. TAKEOVER it i don't know

915
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: if he Played for, oh yeah and then his son

916
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: is the same age as, my twins so we live

917
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: around the corner From. A dre i got a chance

918
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: to know him a, lot BETTER but i didn't know

919
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: he could. Really.

920
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: Hoop yeah actually it's a pretty. Good, player yeah but

921
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: he made the, right choice. Hands down he made the.

922
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: Right choice now because what that joke it became on

923
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: that football it was was different and but really. GOOD

924
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: player i Was telling Ray that Kevin And kevin Kadi

925
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: and navarro played. Junior, high, yeah yeah they played middle.

926
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: School TOGETHER so U, BUT navarro i mean the same

927
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: way he played football is how. He hooped so it

928
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: got to a point where he didn't even have to

929
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: come to our practices.

930
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: No more we're going on.

931
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: The, Trip navarro, HE like i want to go, this

932
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: weekend and whoever the best, player is that's who he.

933
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: Got, up yeah like.

934
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Lights out, oh man, it's bad.

935
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: IT'S bad i mean, You Know i'm i'll. Never.

936
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: Forget uh we Playing the celtics and They had, javar's CREDIT.

937
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: And I tell lavarro that's your.

938
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: Assignment today know you better? God him and, you're like, come,

939
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: ON man i got. That man javar is by two

940
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: times up and down. That court he was looking at the, bar,

941
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: like man who are you because he wasn't no rank

942
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: kid or nothing off.

943
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: The leash, oh man Oh j mail old good oh man.

944
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Them.

945
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: Kids man he and once he gets this that he,

946
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: take that then.

947
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: All of it.

948
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: It's over it's.

949
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Over, WITH yeah i love. Books out now what do

950
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: you want people to take? From this uh chapter in

951
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: your life and your journey from.

952
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: Your, BOOK well i think the biggest thing, for, me

953
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: man is that, you, know again falling doesn't mean your

954
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: life over with.

955
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: YOU know i believe that there's. Another side, You know

956
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: god gave me.

957
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 2: Another chance and, you know from the drinking to, being

958
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: depressed dealing with a going.

959
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: Through a divorce before all, those things did you use

960
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: in here MAN that i allow to get the best?

961
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: Of me and? Taking shortcuts ain't no shortcuts.

962
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: In life, fast, money yeah it's easy, to get, you

963
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: know but can you withstand what come with? Your choices

964
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: your consequences and there's consequences with, it all no matter what,

965
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: you do good. OR bad i talk to, little, kid

966
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: uh the Kid. At alabama he's from up our way

967
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: that got in trouble shooting with the. Shooting, girl yeah,

968
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: you Know not brandon, That well brandon is not, in

969
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: PRISON but, i asked, you know the players usually the.

970
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: Best player so if you're in the club with your

971
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: boy and nine out, of ten y'all go to the club,

972
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: every week y'all.

973
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: Chasing women we know what, you do and you know.

974
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: You you always one friend, or buddy a teammate that always,

975
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: get drunken. Starts up it's always a family member do

976
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: the same thing you in, The club he's gonna. Start

977
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: something and that means that's why it's important to separate

978
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: yourself from the. Wrong COMPANY but, i say you know

979
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: you're going, to bathroom come out and the dudes beating

980
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: up on.

981
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: Your mind what you're? Gonna, Do oh i'm jumping in it.

982
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: First thing that's because, that's normal that's what we're supposed.

983
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: To do And UH and, i said now you hit

984
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: one of. The guys he fall hit, his head, he.

985
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: Died right, You know now your your career ruin because

986
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: the camera got you on camera hitting. The guy, you

987
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: know in a similar situation to The kid darius That's.

988
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: At alabama you know that, quick man your life can.

989
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: Change that easy with a. Split.

990
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: Decision man you, KNOW so I think i think the

991
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: book it hits on a.

992
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: Lot of lot. Of, topics yeah, it's real.

993
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: IT'S real i feel like your life and your story

994
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: and your journey would make a great show. Or movie

995
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: are you thinking about go in that direction with this? At?

996
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: All, yeah well that's, the goal. YOU know i.

997
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: THINK that i think it'll be important that the right

998
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: people get it and they check out.

999
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: THE story.

1000
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: I THINK but i definitely compare it to a lot

1001
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: OF things i do SEE. ON tv i don't see

1002
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: why this, can't be to, be honest you KNOW what, I.

1003
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: MEAN so i. Believe it it should be on the

1004
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: big SCREEN.

1005
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: On tv where can they find?

1006
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: Your Book at amazon dot com And on Barnes and

1007
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: Noble's website.

1008
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: Duplicity out now get it where you get, Your, books

1009
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: curtis thank you for your time in best. Of luck

1010
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: if we can be a resource for you. Moving forward

1011
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: you always have an open.

1012
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: Door here, appreciate. You bro thanks for Having Me Just.

1013
00:49:51,000 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: Curtis. Malone man we'll see y'all. Next week y