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Speaker 1: talk with the guys and the community. Hello again, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Software Radio. Software Brady on Time on Target.

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Speaker 1: Joining us this afternoon, we have a very special guest

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Speaker 1: with us, James rose Hunt, a very accomplished author. One

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Speaker 1: of his newer books it's called Rigged. He also wrote

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Speaker 1: a of several series of books of Falling Empire series,

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Speaker 1: Read Storm series, World War Three series, Rise of the Republic.

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Speaker 1: But today we're gonna be talking with him about PTSD

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Speaker 1: having me. See if it's great to be able to

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Speaker 1: over some of this. Yeah, before we get into everything,

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Speaker 1: just tell our listeners in a little bit about your background,

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Speaker 1: and I'm working on book three. It's literally an assembly

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Speaker 1: aligned process like that. UM And most people know when

434
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Speaker 1: we write our books who write in series, so typically

435
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Speaker 1: five five to six books series. So the characters start

436
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Speaker 1: out not very deep, but as you continue to get

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Speaker 1: into the book for the further into the series, the

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Speaker 1: characters developed more and you start to unwrapple more and

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Speaker 1: more layers to the onion and distuver more and more

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Speaker 1: of a plot and what's going on. And so it

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Speaker 1: can be challenging from a reader perspective because the books

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Speaker 1: are very very intense and action and fast paced and

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Speaker 1: interesting to read, but then you've got to wait for

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Speaker 1: the next one to come out. UM And we are

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Speaker 1: writing machine, but even we can only sit out books

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00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: so fast, so sore you trying to maintain the schedule.

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Speaker 1: Usually a book out every every ninety days, give or take.

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Speaker 1: So when we launch a series, we don't usually launch

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Speaker 1: a series until three books are written. UM And that

450
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Speaker 1: way we have time to have the first one to

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Speaker 1: do three order and then get launched in the second

452
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Speaker 1: ones up of pre order, but we're already almost done

453
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Speaker 1: with the series by the time the first one actually starts.

454
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Speaker 1: It's very much to sum a line process, but I

455
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Speaker 1: enjoy it. It allows me a great deal of flexibility,

456
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Speaker 1: you know. I get up in the mornings by the yeah,

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Speaker 1: my technic kids to school, um, and then I come

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Speaker 1: home and write, UM, do that until dinner, and spend

459
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Speaker 1: three or four hours with your kids to be pretty

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Speaker 1: in bed, and then um and go after writing again

461
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: a little while before then, now it was your wife

462
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Speaker 1: a military person as well or did she just meet

463
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Speaker 1: you and as part of Europe, so she was never

464
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Speaker 1: in the military yourself. She started out after college as

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Speaker 1: a Spanish language teacher, high school teacher and then went

466
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Speaker 1: to work as a professional business writer for two real

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Speaker 1: Quis investments for a little while where she got her

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Speaker 1: m b A. And then um became a registered nurse

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Speaker 1: after that and just kind of followed me around in

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Speaker 1: the military and then as a contractor in stoke Preck, Germany.

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Speaker 1: She went over there with me, Um, you know, into

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Speaker 1: that and I was in Germany actually had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to go to Oxford and I was cut into a

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Speaker 1: part time graduate program there, so I would quite Oxford

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Speaker 1: for a week of study and then would come home

476
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Speaker 1: and I had one month for my exam to right

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Speaker 1: my dam and then another month to do my prep

478
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Speaker 1: study for the next week of instructions. And so every

479
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Speaker 1: eight weeks I was flying to Oxford for a week

480
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Speaker 1: of instructions and then having research papers and articles that

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Speaker 1: had to write and do for them. And so I

482
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Speaker 1: think to that that program and education is really what

483
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Speaker 1: helped me become a writer and become better at this craft.

484
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Speaker 1: Because that program records so much writing, it's so much

485
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Speaker 1: research and involved in it. It just kind of forced

486
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Speaker 1: you into getting good at it. Really. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a favorite author of that do you like to read? I? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's tough to say because I read so many different

489
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Speaker 1: types of books. Um I've been reading a lot of

490
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Speaker 1: biographies lately on Lan Bus, Teddy roose About and some

491
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: of these other, um, different entrepreneurs in individuals. And then

492
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Speaker 1: I'll read some pictured books, some of my you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm friends with Jason Casker, so I'll read something his books,

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Speaker 1: or I'll I'll read my other friend a g with

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Speaker 1: old books. Um it just depends what I'm writing. If

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Speaker 1: I'm writing, uh, sci fi, then I tend to read

497
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Speaker 1: some more sci fi just to kind of see some

498
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Speaker 1: of them, learn someone of the tropes, and see what

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Speaker 1: others are doing and what they're more importantly, what they're

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Speaker 1: not doing, because then I like to focus on what

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Speaker 1: others are not doing to fill a gap in the market. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I learned in business

503
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Speaker 1: school at Oxford is the really successful businesses are the

504
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Speaker 1: ones that are solving a problem and it's finding a

505
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Speaker 1: gap that it's selling it. And that's what I do

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Speaker 1: with my writing is I'm not doing anything um that

507
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Speaker 1: had you been done before. But what I'm doing is

508
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm finding where there are gaps in the books that

509
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Speaker 1: are being created. For instance, the Military Dealers. Almost every

510
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: author is going to have a book about three to

511
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Speaker 1: five guys that's some kind of special forces or c

512
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I a guy almost given and it's gonna be that

513
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Speaker 1: kind of model, and you follow whatever concepts it is

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Speaker 1: they're doing back and forth with these small sets of

515
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: characters and the challenges. You're only getting to see the

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Speaker 1: pod the point of view of those three to five

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Speaker 1: of characters and only from those one or two units

518
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Speaker 1: that they're involved in. And what really what drew me

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Speaker 1: to like tom plants, these Red Storm Rising as I

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Speaker 1: got to see a point of view of a Russian general,

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Speaker 1: of a Russian colonel or a captain, an infantry guy, um,

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Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot, a naval officer, and highlot, all these

523
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Speaker 1: different p o d s and it really painted an

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Speaker 1: awesome picture of the war, all these different perspectives. And

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Speaker 1: what shocks me is that nobody's replicated that process. So

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Speaker 1: that's what we've done, is we've replicated that process into

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Speaker 1: all of our series. Our series showcase points of view

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Speaker 1: from different types of units, whether it's a National Guard

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Speaker 1: unit to an activity airborne unit, to a special forces unit,

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Speaker 1: to a logistics unit, to all these different aspects of it.

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Speaker 1: So when you're reading it, reading about this war and

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Speaker 1: you're seeing how those wars and fully incomes so many

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Speaker 1: different angles and how they all work together. How the

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Speaker 1: logistics guy gets the bullets in the sill, to the

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Speaker 1: guy at the front line, to how the manufacturer is

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Speaker 1: the guy who's feeding the beach to keep it going.

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Speaker 1: All of that is to me, he's fascinating. Need to see,

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Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of authors who write books

539
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: that talk about how you went from point A to

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00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: point C. You always talk about A to C, but

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Speaker 1: they don't talk about points B, how you doctor um.

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Speaker 1: And we really like to put a lot of it

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Speaker 1: into our books and it gives the readers a much

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00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: bigger perspective of what's transpiring and how all these things

545
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: are so interconnected. How X helps why I hope to see. Yeah,

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00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: in fact, that that book you Imagined by Tom Clancy

547
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: Redstone Rising, what's my favorite from him. I love that

548
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: book because because of that, you know, you're getting that

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Speaker 1: perspective and not just the Russian generals, but the guy

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Speaker 1: you know who were involved tactically on the grounds of

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Speaker 1: like you know, you mentioned you know, a major or captain,

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Speaker 1: you know, and these are the guys that are making

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Speaker 1: decisions on the ground, and you know they're seeing it

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00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: from the same perspective that are fighting. Guys are just

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Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, from their point of view

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Speaker 1: on how things are. And that was my favorite book.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned you read

558
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Speaker 1: a lot of different things, and I was the same way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when I was younger. I love

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Speaker 1: Civil War history. I was fascinated by it, and I

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00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in the North, of course, I

562
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: had that Northern perspective of things. So one of my

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00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: favorite authors was Shelby Foote. It was very much a

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00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Southern sympathizer, but his series on the Civil War I

565
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: thought was fantastic. You know. Yeah, like you probably like

566
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: Harry Turtleboves books on his whole alternate history of the

567
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Civil War and how the entire world changed when the

568
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Civil War, when the South actually won um and how

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Speaker 1: that changes the entire outcome of the world because now

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00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: you had a Southern state, and that it was just

571
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Speaker 1: different because the South aligns differently with the European powers

572
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: in World War One versus the North, the ligning differently.

573
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Speaker 1: Because it was a very very unique way that he

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Speaker 1: took that series and to be able to stand on

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Speaker 1: that for so long. Yeah, I've always been fascinated with

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00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the you know, especially when I was younger, the Robert

577
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: Ludlam spy books and stuff, and now that's where Jason

578
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Bourne first got his start. Very different from the movies,

579
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: but I still prefer the books. Yeah, no, exactly, it's

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00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: it's just being creative, it's coming up with something that's

581
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: not cookie cutter. Francis when traditionally published authors so I'm

582
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: not I'm a self published author, and I because of that,

583
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: I have a lot more freedom in the type of

584
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: book I'm going to write and how they're writing. But

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00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: as a triad pub author, most books have it have

586
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: a very distinct pattern to them. So the intro is

587
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: going to happen a certain way, and the ending is

588
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: going to happen a certain way, and then the difference

589
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: is really everything in the middle. So the scenarios and

590
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: how these books work are I always say a cookie cutter,

591
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: but they're damn close to it, and it's just some

592
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: differences in the new in the in the middle that

593
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: really changes it around. And there's a very real reason

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00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: why they do that, because what happens is they know,

595
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: from a company standpoint, if you do if you follow

596
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: a certain process or method, the book is going to

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00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: sell typically X number of copies, which generates an X

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00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: number of money. UM. So it's all about the revenue

599
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and making kind of standards, almost like how actuaries deal

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00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: with insurance and UH come up with their particular numbers. UM.

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00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that in the publishing will. But

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: what's really up ended all of that is the self

603
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: publishing work because we don't have a group of developmental

604
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: editors and people guiding us and telling us no, it

605
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: needs to be X, y and Z. We're just creating

606
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: on the fly and just going with our that instinct

607
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: is what we think is a good story and what

608
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: we personally like to read, and then we we published

609
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: them on Amazon and they either hit it or they don't.

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00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: Some of them are gonna be flopped. I've had a

611
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: few books that have completely flopped on me and made

612
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: next to nothing, but I've also had in more than

613
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: a handful of series that have gone on to dominate

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: the Amazon charts and do exceptionally well excellent. Well, I'm

615
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna flip the script back to PTSD because I saw

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Speaker 1: I saw the um there was a page on your

617
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Speaker 1: on your website about there was a different kind of

618
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: therapy of you used as a treatment, and you know

619
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Speaker 1: what I've I've read about this a while back and

620
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Speaker 1: I kind of ped like I didn't think it would

621
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: it was a viable technique, but you had great results

622
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: from it, And can you talk to us about SGB yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the sell it gangling and block is a unique

624
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: treatment for PTSD. I first learned about this from a

625
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Sixteen Minutes special that he was done with Metal Honor

626
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: recipient Dakota meron Um. He had gone through it and

627
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: they videoed him having the treatment, and that caused me

628
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: to look into it myself because I have been searching

629
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: for all kinds of different types of treatments to help

630
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: with this because it is an ongoing thing that you're

631
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. It's not something I just wanted done.

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: Oh I'm good, I'm I'm perfectly normal. It's just how

633
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: it works. But what it's still gaining in block does

634
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: when you're going through that PTSD trigger your brain is

635
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: is triggering a response to the body, and when it

636
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: travels down from the brain down your neck, it hits

637
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: the body, hits the heart and that's when it dumps

638
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: your adrenaline and your hormones and it causes that fighter

639
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: flight situation to take place and to happen your heart

640
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: rate hillery, and that's when your body, you know, kind

641
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: of goes into that fight or flight mode. And what

642
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: the STB block does is they're using a needle and

643
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: they're sitting in the side of your neck and usually

644
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: on the left side of really also do the right side, um,

645
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: and they're essentially numbing that nerve. And what that does

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00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: is it use lytokin to phenomin Actually, it's what happens

647
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Speaker 1: to them when you have that triggering event. The brain

648
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: sends the message down through your sell it dangling nerve

649
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: and it hits that block and it doesn't get to

650
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: the body. It just re wraps back up to the

651
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: brain and kind of like resets. So it's not stopping

652
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: used and having the trigger, but it's stopping is it's

653
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: stopping your heart from accelerating and dumping all these forrmones

654
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: into your body, which is going to cause that emotional response.

655
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: So when your brain doesn't get that emotional feedback from

656
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: the body, it calms you down. Essentially. It doesn't totally

657
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: taken away, but you're not going from zero to sixty anymore.

658
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: You're you're you're much you're You're able to slow it

659
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: down and start to uh understand, it's okay, this is

660
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: the end of the world. Um, you know, everything's okay.

661
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: You can kind of calmed down a little bit. It's

662
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: almost like being in a busy city and suddenly we

663
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: are walking in a calm force on suddenly. Now, was

664
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: there any side effects of this? There are a couple

665
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: of very a short term I mean short term, I

666
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: mean like half an hour to four hour side effects.

667
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: So typically what will happen is if they do on

668
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: the left side and the left the left eye might

669
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: become a little droopy or a little bloodshot or teary eyed. Um.

670
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: But that usually goes away within a couple of hours. Um.

671
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: But aside from that, I haven't noticed any side effect

672
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: to it that lasts more than two or three hours. Usually, Okay,

673
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: you usually feel pretty good, actually like a common all

674
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: over the body for some And it doesn't because it's

675
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: the one thing you know that when I did read

676
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about this, and I was worried that

677
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna make you almost like catatonic. But that's not No, No,

678
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. It's not like a

679
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: drug type of Nope, it's not a drug at all.

680
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: It's actually a very good treatment if you're trying to

681
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: get off the drugs and get how to take all

682
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: of the drugs. No, I've been able to Um, you

683
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: can move away from taking any of the bends, the

684
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: diet of beans and don't you know ex an things

685
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: like that, Alexa, the so the different types of drugs.

686
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: I've been able to get off of some of those.

687
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: So it's been for me, it's been very helpful, and

688
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I know a few of the best that has been

689
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: helpful for too. It's just in a way it's kind

690
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: of hard to find doctors that do it because that

691
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: is very it's not as well known, and the b

692
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: A doesn't really they play the pharmaceutical route rather than

693
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: like this at least right now, So it can be

694
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: challenging to find doctors that do it. But the ones

695
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: that will are typically going to be your pain management

696
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: doctors because the ganglion blocks are typically something that they

697
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: do for people who need a nerve block. They have

698
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: an injury to a back, hip, an arm, shoulder, or

699
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: something like that. This is typically a treatment that you

700
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: would do for one of those types of injuries. But

701
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: if you you hit the nerve actually in the neck,

702
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: it actually works miracles for PTSD. That's amazing. And how

703
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: often do you have to go back for for lack

704
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: of a better term, a tune up for this. Yeah,

705
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you do need to go back for

706
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: for tune ups for these every now and then. That

707
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: is really dependent on the person. Um. It kind of

708
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: depends on how long you've been experiencing the trauma and

709
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: how severe it is. The more severe and the longer

710
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: you've been treating is the more you may need in

711
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: order to kind of get that break through. It's really

712
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is get to bring your

713
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: reset so it's not sending that response to the body

714
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: and all the time. UM So for me, the first

715
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: time I had the first year, but I had this

716
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: treatment done. Um I had three of them done on

717
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: the left on the left nerve, and I had it

718
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: done twice on the right nerve, and that lasted me

719
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: what we have done about two weeks apart um on

720
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: either side, and then that lasting me probably about eighteen months.

721
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: And then I had essentially a tuna done on either side.

722
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Um just probably not three months ago, okay. And the

723
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: idea like one every twelve or fifteen months for me

724
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: is probably what I'm gonna try to do. It's different

725
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: on every person. And in the v A, are they

726
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: doing this at all in any of their hospitals? Not yet,

727
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: not yet. I've talked with my doctor about it. He

728
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: knows about it. He thinks it's helpful, but it's not

729
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: something that they're administering or doing just yet. Um, so

730
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: it's really one of those things you're just gonna have

731
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: to go and find on on the civilian side. M hm, Well,

732
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: it's it's intriguing because again, I I had read about

733
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: this somewhere and I just kind of poo pooted, like

734
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: I just can't see this working. And then reading your bio,

735
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: I saw that it worked for you. And then I

736
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: read in your bio as well that you found this

737
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: on sixty minutes. I missed that one with Dakota Meyer,

738
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it seems like it really helps. So

739
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: this is something that is very interesting looking into as

740
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: far as looking into because at the end of the day,

741
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, what do you have to

742
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: lose by trying it. At the end of the day,

743
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: the most you're gonna lose is some money from paying

744
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: out of pockets to try it. But if it works,

745
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: then it could be a life changing. But if it

746
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work, you know, you know, worse off than when

747
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: you just started and when when you were before. So

748
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I look at from the perspective of I'm willing to

749
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: try just about anything at least once, just to to

750
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: give it us a try, because every person's body is

751
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: going to respond differently, and what works for you may

752
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: not work for me, and vice versa. If I just

753
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: until I try something, I don't know if it's going

754
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: to work for me or not. Um. But one thing

755
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: I do know is I don't want to be on

756
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: uh these different medications long term. I recognized as a

757
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: purpose and a need for taking them in the short run,

758
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: but this isn't something I want to be on and

759
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, for the next thirty forty years. But I've

760
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: got until I can get worked, work through all of

761
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: this and get past these issues. It's what needs to

762
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: happen to allow me to continue to work and be

763
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: about to uh productive person that my wife and kids

764
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: want to be around so and and happy work. It

765
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: has worked very well for you, I think, so for me,

766
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: it's worked well enough that I've been willing to go

767
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: back and continue to that kind of treatment. And I

768
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: recommended to as they're veteran at least to try it

769
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: and see if it works for them. I mean, maybe

770
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: it won't, but you know, if it does, then this

771
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: could be the game changer for you. Yeah, because it's amazing.

772
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Uh when I, you know, originally read about that. I

773
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: had heard about that as a pain block for people

774
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: who have been in chronic pain. And it's amazing how

775
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: certain things can work for something some issues. I guess

776
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: that they were never designed for. It is and it's interesting.

777
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: Like Francis is another medicine called presos and it's actually

778
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: used to help treat um high blood pressure, but it

779
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: also has this side effect all affecting dreams and reducing nightmares.

780
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: So my doctor gave me, gave me that, and it

781
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. I would go to sleep and you don't

782
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: have those bad dreams anymore. Just gone. My therapist just

783
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: put me on that. Yeah, you can attempt that. I mean,

784
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: the only way I can explain what's like taking that

785
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: drug Like that movie Inception where you fall asleep and

786
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: you go into one dream and then you go into

787
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: another dream and you go into another dream, like deeper

788
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: and deeper and deeper. To me, that's what prosozan is like. Um,

789
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: once you figure out what dosage works for you, it's

790
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: it's incredible. Yes, Yeah, I like that a lot. Yeah,

791
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I've been taking it for a couple of weeks now myself, so, um,

792
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: they're still working on the tostage for me, so we'll

793
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: see what happens with it. But yeah, don't be afraid

794
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: to go up on the dosage on that one either.

795
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: That the higher the dosages and more affected. Yeah, because

796
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: they started me on the lowest one, and because that's

797
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: an issue I have with dreams and then you wake

798
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and you have

799
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: a hard time going back to sleep. So that my

800
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: wife said that since I've been taking that, I don't

801
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: have those, um you know, crashing about dreams anymore, or

802
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: are talking in my sleep or anything else like that.

803
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: She says that it's been a real big help. Well

804
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: that's excellent. Well, uh, we want to thank you for

805
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: your time this afternoon. Is there anything else you'd like

806
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: to share with our listeners before we put on this one? Yeah,

807
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean my biggest thing I would like to jarekee allways,

808
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: you don't don't give up on continue to seek treatment

809
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: or try something new. You've got to keep trying something

810
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: until you find something that's gonna work. And what works

811
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: for one guy or your friend may not work for

812
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: you or vice versa. But the point is you've got

813
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: to keep finding something new that's gonna that's gonna work

814
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: for you. And once you do, then you've got to

815
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: You've got to repurpose your life. You've got to find

816
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: some new means, some new purpose to move forward because

817
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: you can't continue to live in the past. So for me,

818
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: it was writing writing therapy was turned into our writing

819
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: career and that's the nek new purpose and I'm trying

820
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: to help outther that's get into doing that as well.

821
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: They can realize that new purpose and vision for themselves

822
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: and be able to support their own families, because at

823
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's not about providing that

824
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: fish to feed them for a day or him and

825
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: his family for a day. It's about teaching them how

826
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: to fish. They can feed themselves for a lifetime and

827
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: take care of their families. We need to get people

828
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: back to whether they're not depended on the government or

829
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: hand out sort of health, but are able to repurpose

830
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: themselves and help themselves and then be able to pay

831
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: that forward and help someone else. And yet for Smosifier,

832
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: that's how we probably solve this this twenty two problems. Well, uh,

833
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: we want to thank you. And I think that's it's

834
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a it's a great thing that

835
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you've been able to do for yourself. And I think

836
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: it's it's awesome that you know, writing is a therapy

837
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: and the fact that more people it's it's available to

838
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: is Uh. I think it's a great thing. So you

839
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: reach out to me. I guys reach out to me

840
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: on on email or through um for our Facebook pages.

841
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty much an open book with health

842
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 1: and folcus on get into this. I've helped let's say

843
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: four veterans are publishing their own books, and several one

844
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: of them is We've got three books out right now,

845
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: and we got him up to earning a little over

846
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: four thousand a month with just his three books to

847
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: doing well. So, I mean, writing can be a profitable

848
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: venture to support yourself if it's done right, if you

849
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: get a good mentor that can teach you and show

850
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: you the rope. And we're we're steadily trying to work

851
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: on expanding our ability to mentor and help more of

852
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: bests get into this. But you have questions, You're glad

853
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: to point you in the right direction. To at least

854
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: get you some resources to help you help you move

855
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: that way. So before I let you go, what's what's

856
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: the latest book that you're working on? Can you share? Yeah?

857
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: Relates the series we've got going right now is our

858
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: Monroe Doctrine series. So this is really looking at the

859
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: future of modern work there and how that's going to

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Speaker 1: But if they could secure those resources through the Caribbean,

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Speaker 1: techno driller. Excellent. Well. We encourage all our readers and

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Speaker 1: listeners to check those books out. James ross Own the

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Speaker 1: can help you. Al Right. Well, thank you once again.

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Speaker 1: whole business side of fighting. Oh, we'd love to do

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