WEBVTT - Betrayal's Climax w/ Fiona Robert

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<v Speaker 2>here with the background of murder and sexual crimes, and

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<v Speaker 2>life's been so hectic and wild.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time machine, I'm, you know, traveling around. But obviously we're

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<v Speaker 2>very happy for mom Donnie's win. And also I I

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<v Speaker 2>do feel really naive. I didn't expect the racism to

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<v Speaker 2>get so crazy, but like, of course no, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But so the next day I got on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I don't it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really fucked up. And at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>he won, So get behind him. What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Get behind him?

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<v Speaker 2>All these money democrats going against him, the president talking

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<v Speaker 2>about deporting him at like and taking away his citizenship,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone thought I was crazy when I started being like,

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<v Speaker 2>well my passports is born in Ukraine, I'm traveling, I'm nervous,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's like, shut up, that's not real.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a citizen. And it's like literally to arrest him.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't even just stay deported. He's like arrest him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like he's he's a he didn't show up to the field.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he is scum. There's no depths to the scumminess.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm never shocked by his behavior. But like the

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<v Speaker 4>Party of the People, Deborah Messing, are you unhinged, bitch?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, a lot of a lot of Jews are

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<v Speaker 4>having a problem with him. Yeah, because the race, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, at the end of the day, all the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that they're saying he said, he has not said.

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<v Speaker 1>He does not say those things.

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<v Speaker 4>A Jewish friend of mine was like, well he did

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<v Speaker 4>this in this and also his mom tried to get

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<v Speaker 4>Galgadot banned from the OSCARS, and I went, I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>back and go, I don't think we should judge anybody based.

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<v Speaker 1>On their mom. I mean, my parents vote for Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we could judge people based on what

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<v Speaker 4>their parents, Do you know what I mean? But also yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's I've heard him say plenty of things that make

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<v Speaker 4>me feel like he's a great, a great canidate, but

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<v Speaker 4>he does not.

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<v Speaker 1>H I I am a Jew in New York. What

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather get a free bus.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also like what he said on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the late night shows where it's like, I guess Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>Koch said this back in the day, but of like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you agree with me on nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of twelve issues, you should vote for me.

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<v Speaker 2>If you believe if you agree with me on twelve

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<v Speaker 2>out of twelve, you should get a psychiological exam. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to agree with everything someone does. But

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<v Speaker 2>today it's the problem the sex pest fucking freaks. Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Adams is a criminal. He's bought up for by the

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<v Speaker 2>fascist government. Like what the fuck are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I know?

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<v Speaker 4>And that's I think this is where like we as liberals,

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<v Speaker 4>as democrats are going to have problems because people want

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<v Speaker 4>perfect candidates. They want someone they agree with, they want

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<v Speaker 4>someone they agree with ninety perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fine with him, Oh I know, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean and like it's like exactly what you're saying, though,

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<v Speaker 4>if you agree with me on nine out of twelve issues,

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<v Speaker 4>that then you should we should be able to work

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<v Speaker 4>together and move forward and see you hed to head.

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<v Speaker 1>Day to day.

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<v Speaker 4>When you talk to someone it's like, well, but they

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<v Speaker 4>said that one thing. Oh, but they did a thing

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<v Speaker 4>when they were in college. It's like, I don't care,

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<v Speaker 4>Like we gotta like start seeing coming to some common

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<v Speaker 4>groundy or we're never gonna surely when you're okay with

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<v Speaker 4>sexual abusing. But Cuomo should have been a non starter.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking to a friend who's not into mom

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<v Speaker 4>Donnie because she thinks that socialists.

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<v Speaker 1>Just make a lot of noise. That's her only reason.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, Okay, She's like she doesn't think

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<v Speaker 4>that they get anything done. That he's young and he's

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<v Speaker 4>not gonna do anything. Okay, I go, what's your option?

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonnavote for Curtis Sleewa. Come on, Like someone was

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<v Speaker 4>telling me that Cuamo was gonna try to get it

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<v Speaker 4>back on the ballot. Yes, the name of rich men

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<v Speaker 4>can ever just quit. They wait for their second chance.

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<v Speaker 4>But I want to fourth, fifth, seventh chance.

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<v Speaker 2>To American Jews, I mean, did I write a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of comments and delete them? Off Deborah Messing his page.

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<v Speaker 1>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>The people that tried to burn down Jake Shapiro's house,

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<v Speaker 2>white supremacist. The people that are shooting the Tree of

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<v Speaker 2>Life Synagogue terrorist attack, shooting that was a white supremacist.

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<v Speaker 2>The people that are the biggest danger, the fucking dude

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<v Speaker 2>that shot up Jews when I was a kid, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a white supremacist. If we are talking about safety

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<v Speaker 2>of Jewish people, the biggest threat is white supremacy. It

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<v Speaker 2>is never what these brown people that you're fucking scared of. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>it just hasn't been. Yeah, and I I love that mom, Donnie.

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<v Speaker 2>When they kept bringing up Israel, was just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>live in New York. I'm not going anywhere. I'm here

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<v Speaker 2>to work for New York. Like, how is this even

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<v Speaker 2>a discussion for a New York City mayoral race?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also anyone that's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Living here we're voting, Like I hate when they're like

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<v Speaker 2>the cesspol these blues, then get the fuck out. Why

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<v Speaker 2>are you mind your business? We don't want you here,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want I don't know, it's just like crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really upsetting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But I was also I'm at a

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie girl.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was like Hillary all the way, but

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<v Speaker 2>I now like understand what they felt, because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>when the majority of people are excited about a candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>how dare the party go against that?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's you know, that's what someone said that I liked.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I'm that Democrats fought against fascists and Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>as hard as they do against progressive Democrats.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh my god. And honestly, I grew up listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>Letting the Big Bill gone like.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck all of you, fuck you I listened to. I

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<v Speaker 4>grew up listening to Curtis Leewall on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what is you mentioned is? I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. He's the Republican mayoral oh got it, nominee.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was on AM radio that I listened to

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<v Speaker 4>with my Republican dad my whole fucking life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I cannot believe that he's running for mayor of

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<v Speaker 1>New York.

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<v Speaker 2>So the comptroller, who is Jewish, gets fucking knocked down

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<v Speaker 2>by ice, brought to his knees, carried out, who stood

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<v Speaker 2>up for him?

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<v Speaker 1>Who stood up for him? Who did he endorse?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's Jewish mayoral Canada endorse Mom Donnie and

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Hey Benson, why don't you talk to your friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you get your friends sorted?

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<v Speaker 4>This is this is us telling you that we are

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<v Speaker 4>going to do those episodes, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>have We're not going to have Debra Messing on the pod.

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<v Speaker 4>She's not going to be on it. Yeah, sorry, I

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<v Speaker 4>to raise my voice. I'm sorry, it's okay. I just

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<v Speaker 4>found out yesterday. I don't know if I told you this,

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<v Speaker 4>but like, I was on this committee at my daughter's

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<v Speaker 4>school last year. It's called a school site council. It's

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<v Speaker 4>how you decide where the Title I funds go in

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<v Speaker 4>your school. I attended meetings constantly about where we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to do with this money. I was the fucking secretary.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to take notes, type up my notes, submit

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<v Speaker 4>my note my minutes, have them approved, have them voted on,

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<v Speaker 4>make corrections. All of the money that we spent the

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<v Speaker 4>entire year working on allocating Trump is now holding It's

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<v Speaker 4>already been pre approved allocated to these schools. He's now

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<v Speaker 4>holding it. Six billion dollars in Department of Education money.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not going to go to my kid's school. It's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna go to ice. It's gonna go to ice. Sick

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<v Speaker 4>speaking of Trump. Uh oh, so I wake up today.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we're in the time of shee and I apologize

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<v Speaker 2>if this is a disillusionment to you in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is July second, Okay, the timing is important. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to fly to Australia July fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a little le s vie still to do

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<v Speaker 2>before we meet up, but I'm going to soul Cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>On my way to soul Cycle, get a call from

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<v Speaker 2>my manager the Australian government.

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<v Speaker 1>The visa that I've submitted is not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to go to a local police precinct, give

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<v Speaker 2>my fingerprints and get a document. It's called like to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure I have a clean record, like to prove

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a criminal. You give them your information and

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<v Speaker 2>they do a background check and they give you like

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<v Speaker 2>a non criminal letter of consent that you're not a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I keep repeating, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>this bureaucracy bullshit is. I have to get this form.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm my way to soul Cycle. I'm like, well, we're

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<v Speaker 2>interviewing someone I don't know what this is. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>to be July fourth, Like what is going on? So

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<v Speaker 2>I still go to Soul Cycle. I walk to the precincts.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great time in the local precincts, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. So I walk in.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we watch SPU word Yes to you, pot

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<v Speaker 4>You're like to the here to Detective Benson like yeah, acab.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's something like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm in busy town heading to the precincts.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm in the precincts. Very helpful police officer. He goes, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a sec He goes, you actually have to

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<v Speaker 2>go to one PP Plaza. Here's the phone number. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it here after COVID, we don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, and I go, wait, should I go or call?

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, call, So I call. No one answers. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an automated message. But in the message it says, do

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<v Speaker 2>not come here without an appointment. You need an appointment.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there an appointment available?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course not. The next available is July eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>I always told July second that I need a visa,

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<v Speaker 2>that I need to do this thing. And I'm leaving

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<v Speaker 2>in three days. It's fucking holiday. The precinct it says,

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<v Speaker 2>do not come. So now I'm dealing with like immigration

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers and trying to have waivers in my former visa

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<v Speaker 2>because I've been to Australia a few times and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to prove all this stuff to them. And basically

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<v Speaker 2>it is because of our current president and he's fucking

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<v Speaker 2>over Australians and making it harder to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of just like a punishment. Oh no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm flying first to New Zealand, so I could

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<v Speaker 2>go and we'll figure it'll figure itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, I hope.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, and then you can be able to call

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<v Speaker 4>your congress person's office. They I can help you get

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<v Speaker 4>like passports if you like you know how people will

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh fuck, my passport's expiring in two days

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm leaving for a foreign country. You can like

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<v Speaker 4>call your congressperson's office and they can help you. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you're working out immigration, playing it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But they did say if you know, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a connection in New York City government or stay government.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, anybody anybody work in the Congressman's office.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you go be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully I'm home already and no one's looked through my

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<v Speaker 2>phone or taken my passport and cut it in half.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the police officer said, shame on whoever waited

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<v Speaker 2>till the last minute. He goes, you'd tell them, shame

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<v Speaker 2>on them, And he goes, this is at least a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks to make to do this, and the other

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<v Speaker 2>police officer goes, yeah, it's like the DMV. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>just go on in and get fit, you know, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I just went to the DMV last week, five days ago, really,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was in and out in sixteen minutes because

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<v Speaker 4>I had an appointment.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just walk in there, nightmare.

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, oh my god, I hope this gets figured out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so stressful. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was fully sweaty and like wet from class

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<v Speaker 2>to just begging for them to say I'm not a criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say mine is more selfish and self centered.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, holding six billion dollars from educating, but none

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<v Speaker 2>of this is. It's like it's like easy to be rage.

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<v Speaker 2>Not easy. I just how I feel. It's like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in a rage. I'm so pish, but none of this

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<v Speaker 2>is surprising. I guess the race stuff for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me like nine to eleven, and now this it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>are we serious? What the fuck is going on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Every single fucking attack on Jewish people in

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<v Speaker 2>this country has been a white supremacist, Like look, look

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you a funny thing I'm mad about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a little vulnerable. I did order a pack

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty four water bottles off Amazon, so I like

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<v Speaker 2>having fucking cold waters in my fridge. Jesus Christ. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the box has just been like in my living

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<v Speaker 2>room for a while, and then I use the box

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<v Speaker 2>cutter to open it and I cut a row of

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<v Speaker 2>water bottles fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Open, and.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, oh my god, that's sharp ass box cutter.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn. Yeah. Yeah, it's working. It's it's working.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also like I could tell it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>third party seller, Like I think it's like a family

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<v Speaker 2>that's trying to make extra money buy stuff and then

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<v Speaker 2>resells it on Amazon. It was like the jankiest weird

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<v Speaker 2>bo like it shouldn't be a box. Like usually when

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<v Speaker 2>you order a case of water just the case, just

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<v Speaker 2>a yeah, like for it to even be in a box,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what janky apple like garage operation, operation app whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>You know. You got me so fucking riled up, and

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<v Speaker 2>now we're gonna watch crazy sview.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did it. I did. It's mad. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also I am like I can't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like like living life like and that like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to a pool tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like weird. It's strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's strange because the worst things ever are happening.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe in revolution. I should be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of a revolution, and here I am playing Tetris on

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<v Speaker 2>my laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I also feel a little bit like powerless and like what.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we do because like we everyone's like call your

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<v Speaker 4>congress people. It's like our congress people are doing what

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<v Speaker 4>we want.

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<v Speaker 2>The mid note, but they're doing the minimum. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>vote and then go threaten your Democratic friends that vote

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<v Speaker 2>the other way and help these Republicans past shit on

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<v Speaker 2>the cuss people get some plans going. Are there secret meetings?

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the coup? Where are where's the military? Where are

0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the better different meetings. Yeah, where are the secret meetings?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going to be fucking the Democratic people the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not making it to midterms. If I've been right

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<v Speaker 2>about everything, you know, we're not making it some midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do. If we're not making

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<v Speaker 1>a year.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to go to the kill bill guy and

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<v Speaker 2>learn how to, you know, use our hands to fight

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<v Speaker 2>out of a casket. I don't know, because that's the

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<v Speaker 2>scary thing. Like I heard, like in Turkey, it's the

0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:27.280
<v Speaker 2>suppressive government. But people, people are on the streets, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like people are protesting and it's just it doesn't matter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna keep arresting. They're gonna make it harder

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<v Speaker 2>and harder to protest. We're listen, my parents have lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Russia. I guess I could do it again. I

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<v Speaker 2>have it in my blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I could eat fucking pickled herring and buckwheat for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's happening. I do not think that's happening. No, No,

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<v Speaker 4>because I won't be able to make the buckwheat. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that there's going to be outlets for you

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<v Speaker 4>to get your frustrations out in Russia. I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>you're able to do stand up. I don't think you'll

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<v Speaker 4>be able to do soul. I don't think you'll be.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to No, I'm not going to Russia. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>America will be Russia. Yeah, and we're well have a career.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were like, we could get out of here,

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<v Speaker 2>we could leave, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Could go to Russia. We left on religious we of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know you're not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying I thought you were like making a

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<v Speaker 2>comment about how bad it is here that you would

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<v Speaker 2>go back.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, of course not. Of course you're not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going anywhere, and I don't think we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to become Russia. But I'm also upset. I'm also upset

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<v Speaker 4>about what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's fucked. I don't know what you do.

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<v Speaker 4>So now you have to get basically today waivers and.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to get this shit together. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I found all my old paperwork and sent it

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<v Speaker 2>to my people and they made a waiver and like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you have it all. That's great. Oh yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just searching through gmails, like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, but I know people that go through and delete

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<v Speaker 4>gmails from like years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I keep everything in Gmail, especially professionally. I mean. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the water, that's the funnest thing we have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the funnest thing is Lisa slashed open a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of water bottles.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, but I've been squeezing them open into a cup,

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<v Speaker 2>like from the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're saving the water, You're saving the amusing the water.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, okay, thank god. All right, let's get started with

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<v Speaker 4>today's episode. It's wild. It's uh, you know, we here

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<v Speaker 4>we are. We're just doing another episode that they're trying

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<v Speaker 4>something new in this one.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got a live show coming up in New York

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<v Speaker 4>City on August fourteenth, so come see us. It's at

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<v Speaker 4>the Bellhouse in Brooklyn. Go to That's Messed Up Live

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<v Speaker 4>dot com and you can get tickets to that. You

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<v Speaker 4>can also see Lisa's tour dates there as well. You

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<v Speaker 4>can see our merch. You can, I don't know, you

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<v Speaker 4>can do whatever the hell you want. We got a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of stuff up on that website. But let's start

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<v Speaker 4>today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll be doing betrayals. Climax I would put it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been doing a lot of goofy ones. I would say,

0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 2>not goofy. This is tragic and a crime is committed,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of far no. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's far fudged.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm using bad words. This is a wild episode. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna stick with. We have season fifteen. It's

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<v Speaker 2>episode thirteen. Hulusa's twelve Go fuck yourself. So we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a grand hall and you know, it's hands up time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an oath.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson's in her full outfit with the hat, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really hate seeing her in a cops hat. It like

0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 2>takes away everything that I believe in her. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sergeant. So they're all wearing little white gloves like

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<v Speaker 2>they're about to drop some silver. We're on a table

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's applauding eight congrats sergeants. It seems like way

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<v Speaker 2>too many sergeants. There's like hundreds of these little cops,

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<v Speaker 2>and so Rollin's fin and Tomorrow are viewing and they're

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<v Speaker 2>watching in support. Rollins is like gulping the shit out

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<v Speaker 2>of the silver Water bottle, all like, we've never seen

0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 2>her like sip like this before. But then Finn goes, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>you're jumping around. That's a little too much caffeine. And

0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.720
<v Speaker 2>she goes sorry and has a little grin and it's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>She asks how DC was to tomorrow, you know with Maria,

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<v Speaker 2>He says, one day at a time, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the drill. They're in a they're in a miserable marriage

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<v Speaker 2>and divorce. They've never found a moment of joy with

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship. But hey, Nick changes the subject quickly and goes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>where's Cassidy. I can't believe he's not here supporting his

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<v Speaker 2>girl's sergeant oath, but he's still undercover. And then Finn goes,

0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.280
<v Speaker 2>or that's his story. So they all don't trust him

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<v Speaker 2>or like him, and they don't want live dating him.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Tomorrow says, fuck, we have a call missing

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<v Speaker 2>teenaged girl, and Finn's like, fuck, couldn't the call have

0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.440
<v Speaker 2>happened like an hour ago? They do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>be at this thing, but you know, I saw a

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<v Speaker 2>thing about how building community is inconvenient, and we've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>too much about like boundaries, my own peace. I'm staying

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<v Speaker 2>home and it's like, no, if you want to build community,

0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you have to go do things. You have to go

0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.679
<v Speaker 2>show up for people, whether you like it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what friendship is. And they're gonna watch Benson

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<v Speaker 2>but no, honestly, yeah, they can't wait to leave. So

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Nick Go's parents got home, the place was ransacked,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Rollin's and Finn are like, well, take care

0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.959
<v Speaker 2>of it, you stay Nick, But as soon as they

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<v Speaker 2>get up to leave, Olivia is being called, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty seconds, like they could have clapped and seen

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<v Speaker 2>her take her certificate and then leave, but they leave

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<v Speaker 2>as they're calling her name.

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<v Speaker 4>Really it's psychologic from the back clap and then go.

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<v Speaker 2>But Nick is sitting there smiling, clapping and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>like so fucking hot, it's insane. So now you know

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<v Speaker 2>we're on the scene of the crime. Our detectives get

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<v Speaker 2>filled in by a uniformed cop. Avery Capshaw sixteen, her

0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 2>parents went to a wedding, left her home alone. They

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<v Speaker 2>came back this morning, the place was trashed and robbed

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<v Speaker 2>and the girl is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>They spoke to her last.

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<v Speaker 2>Night at eight pm and the UNI CoP's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the parents think she's been taken, and Finn goes and

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<v Speaker 2>you and he's like, I don't know. This place smells

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 2>like weed and there's no forced entry, and the neighbors

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 2>said there was loud music till midnight. So the parents

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 2>are telling Finn and Rollins that their daughter would never

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.480
<v Speaker 2>throw a party. That's not her vibe. They know something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But you threw parties as a teen. Would your parents

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<v Speaker 2>also say y're someone that wouldn't throw a party.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably yeah, they'd probably be like Caro would have like

0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.800
<v Speaker 4>three or four friends over. But like, the parties that

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.399
<v Speaker 4>I threw in high school were wild, and I bet

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<v Speaker 4>they would never have any idea about how wild they were.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's the thing parents, It's like, didn't you lie

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<v Speaker 2>to your parents? I don't understand why parents are so delulu.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>My friend Valentine and I talk about this all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're the first person to be like, no, it's

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.480
<v Speaker 4>probably our kid, like these are. There's so many precious

0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.520
<v Speaker 4>parents that are just like, could never. My kid could never.

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<v Speaker 4>There's just absolutely no way. It's like, never say fucking never,

0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 4>your kid could do anything, you know, Yeah, yeah, the.

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Brant are not formed, so whatever. But they just know

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 2>something is wrong, but there's been no ransom call. But

0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.240
<v Speaker 2>all the jewelry is gone, all the cash is gone,

0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and they're just like, Avery's never been in trouble, she's

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.200
<v Speaker 2>not that wild, like please, and there's blood in our

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<v Speaker 2>main bedroom, so the mom thinks she was assaulted. They

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.639
<v Speaker 2>ask if you know she has a boyfriend. They go

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<v Speaker 2>not anymore and his name is Manny Montero and they're

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<v Speaker 2>both in the tenth grade and they go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton Gifted and Talented School.

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:19.360
<v Speaker 1>They broke up two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago because her grades were slipping, and so Finn's like, so,

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, were they out last night? Like what's going on?

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 2>They're like no, he's a nice boy. And the dad

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 2>is like, listen, I don't want to sound wrong, but

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 2>he's poor.

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 2>He lives house for some avenue projects and we don't

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.640
<v Speaker 2>like it. And they called the school and he didn't

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 2>go to school that day either, so they both didn't

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.560
<v Speaker 2>make it to school. The wife leaves to go get

0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Manny's contact information off of Avery's computer, and during this moment,

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the dad levels with the detectives, goes, listen, my wife's

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 2>more trusting this Latino boy.

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Is no good. I've always had a bad feeling about

0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this boy.

0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.959
<v Speaker 2>The dad walks out, and Finn and Rollins are like, okay,

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Romeo and Juliet, and we know how well that turned out.

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 2>And then they zoom in on the bit of blood

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 2>on the bed and it is like the tiniest little

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:06.399
<v Speaker 2>bit of blood.

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.160
<v Speaker 1>It's really usually they try to gross us with the.

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, but it's really like a half period stain.

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, It's it's like nothing. It's really nothing. It's just

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a weird choice for them.

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying like, obviously, if there's blood on a

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 2>bed and your daughters missing, that's like a big deal.

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>But it's like what happened to the props department that day? Yeah,

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 2>so a little splattering, a little more something. Yeah, it

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.200
<v Speaker 2>just was really tiny. But we go into the credits

0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and now we're back in the office and Olivia's still

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.160
<v Speaker 2>in her cop top but the hat is off, thank

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>god cop top.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I don't know why the way you said that

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>made me laugh. Merch okay, No, we can't have anything,

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 1>say cop Okay.

0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>So they're debating like is it a bad teen fun

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:56.840
<v Speaker 2>time or a crime?

0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So what do they need to do.

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.359
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna check all the pawn shops to out for

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the jewelry. And then Danny Pino is here to take

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>over for Maloney and like knowing about schools, and he's

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.719
<v Speaker 2>like poor or rich. This is a top like the

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 2>top public school in the city. You both have to

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.399
<v Speaker 2>be genius as fuck to go there, Like no money

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.640
<v Speaker 2>can buy you, Like you have to be smart. And

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Manny doesn't even have a record. But his brother was

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 2>murdered two years ago by b X nine and that's

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a gang and it was a drive by and no

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 2>one was ever charged for the crime. Manny's parents haven't

0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 2>called him missing those so Finn jumps in that he

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 2>lives with his grandmother and she sure as hell is

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>not calling the cops, And Benson spins Tomorrow and says,

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>you're still good with the Abualitas. Go to the grandma,

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Rollins and they have like I swear, they're

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 2>like I fucking in that moment, Like Benson and to

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Morrow have kind of a sexiest look at each other

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>in this second, and it's like, I'm telling.

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>You, I used to think that was gonna happen. I

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was like an idiot.

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 4>I was like like, well, if it's not, it's not

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 4>Maloney anymore, I guess it's this new guy.

0:23:58.200 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Like I just didn't even then.

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.479
<v Speaker 4>I think I was shocked when there's like that one

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 4>episode where he comes out of the shower at Rollins

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, he's.

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Supposed to be hooking up with Benson, Like I don't

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:06.919
<v Speaker 1>know why.

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I was like so, well, because of a moment's like this, yeah,

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 2>it was like sexual so whatever.

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Amara was going to the grandma's.

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Rollins go through avery social media and they're

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna check out her friends at school. So then they

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.360
<v Speaker 2>all kind of make fun of her and they salute

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>her and they're like, okay, we're on it, boss, and

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>she's annoyed, but yeah, she has a sense of humor.

0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:27.879
<v Speaker 1>So they're at the school talking to her friends.

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.120
<v Speaker 2>They're talking to a dork with glasses in the library

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and she's spilling the bee and she's like, yeah, her

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:34.400
<v Speaker 2>parents made them break up, but they were in love.

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't be a part, so she did have to

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 2>lie to them. But she also liked the sneaking around.

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 2>It was like hot for her. And then they ask

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 2>where does she sneak off to and so then then

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 2>we cut to Rollins and she's talking to a boy

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, he's an artsy boy. There's a

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>denim jacket and the easels funky art. This is an

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 2>art moment and they love art. There's an art competition

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>in two days, so she has to come back. She

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 2>would never miss the art competition, and Rollins is like

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.959
<v Speaker 2>looking at the art and it's two people holding hands

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, wow, Avery is so talented, and her

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>friend goes, yeah, she would never miss this competition, and

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Rollins asked if she cuts class, and it cuts back

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to Finn and the Nerd and she goes, no, cutting

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 2>class is more Manny's thing because he has to take

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.400
<v Speaker 2>care of his grandmother and they're poor. And so now

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>we're at this poor person apartment and it's Rosa Mon's Harrow,

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 2>the grandma, and she's like, Manny is a good boy.

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 2>And then when the topic of the girlfriend comes up,

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the grandma and Spanish says like, oh, that girl thinks

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>she's too good for my son. He was a heartbroken

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that she broke up with him. And Nick walks into

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Manny's room and the grandma says, damn, you know like

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 2>he works so hard.

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He has a job before school.

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 2>And he's going to save up enough money to pay

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>for a gravestone for his brother. So this is like sad,

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Like a teen has to work a job before school

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>so his brother can like have a fucking gravestone. Devastating,

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, things are off. She didn't see him last

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>night or this morning. And the backpacks in his room,

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>so this isn't good. And in the backpack he finds

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>some gang items. There's like a hat and beads in

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>the colors of the gang. And the grandma's crying and saying, no, no, no,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>what happened after what happened to his brother? He would

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>never fuck with guns and gangs, and she's crying. Life

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 2>is so sad. So she's begging Nick and crying. We

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 2>cut tomorrow and Finn and a car driving and they're like,

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that's like a wild double life, you know, to be

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>like this gifted smart boy dating a rich girl and

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 2>then being in this gang, Like that's a lot to handle.

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>And they're cruising and they see a dude with the

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>same hat, so like a gang hat, and they pull

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>over and you know, Nick knows the kid. Nick knows

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 2>this it's probably a common rat guy, you know, and

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>under you see, I do love when there's like a

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 2>little rat guy that they all know. I kind of

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 2>like that character. And it's always like, then why are

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you helping? You seem so anxious about this. He throws

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.479
<v Speaker 2>him against the fence and says, I'm not true it anymore.

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 2>I dropped out of school, and he giggles, and Tomorrow goes, okay, cool,

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 2>like this isn't about school, and Finn goes, stop wasting

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>her time, like, if you don't fucking tell us what

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>we want, we're gonna bother you all day and we're

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna deter customers. Tell us what you know about Manny Montero.

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>He denies knowing anything. He's like, I'm not a fucking rat,

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>And then Finn starts taking photos of him and Tomorrow

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 2>smiling together, and they're like, we're gonna show everyone this

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>photo that your friends with a cop. We're just gonna

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>like put it on the NYPD instagram. So he doesn't

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>want this pic to circulate. This is so goofy, like

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>when he'd be like, yeah, the cops made me do it,

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 2>like whatever. So we we assume we got info because

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Manny is now in cement room bars. He's denying knowing

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.199
<v Speaker 2>where she is or even seeing her. He's like, we

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>broke up, and Tomorrow's like, you're a fucking dumb bitch.

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>We have forensics and we're gonna know you that you

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>were there. And he's like, well fine, yeah, she invited

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.919
<v Speaker 2>me over to study, and Finn screams in her parents

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>bed and he says I didn't do anything. He says

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't and they're like couldn't. What what? And they're

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>trying to get something out of Manny and it's you know,

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 2>it's tough, and so Finn's somars being good cop and

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 2>then Finn's trying to be bad cop and goes, I mean,

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>we have enough weed to hold you, so I don't know.

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 2>If you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk.

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna tell your grandma. And he's like, don't

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>tell my grandma. So he goes, she has a bad heart.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 2>So Nick goes, yeah, no, I know, you seem like

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a good kid, like you like your grandma, like help

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>yourself out, do what's right, and Manny goes, just book me.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Benson is spying as Amanda rush is in because ESU

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 2>found dun Dundune. They found Avery. Avery's on a roof,

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>so she's ready to jump. She has bruises on her face,

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>she's in distress, she's in a coat. There's snow on

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the ledge, which means it might be slippery. It's cold,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it's scary. The wind is blowing her fur lined hood

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>like it is it's a windy day, and Rollins keeps

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 2>inching closer and closer to her, and she says, leave

0:28:59.920 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>me alone, go away, and Rollin's is like, well, clearly

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't, like I am a policer, and just like

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>walk away as you're on this roof. We care about you.

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 2>We've been looking for you all day. So the boy

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>detectives are on the ground with her parents and they

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>let them know that she was not with Manny. She

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 2>was wandering the city alone all day. And the parents

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>are like what this is crazy, Like something awful must

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>have happened to her for this to be the result.

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>And so now some helmet wearing motherfucker, full bulletproof vest

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>guy is trying to take charge, not being patient, like

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>telling Benson like she has five minutes or we're doing

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>our guys in our way and blah blah blah, and

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, Okay, you're so annoying. There's a scared girl

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>on a ledge, like I doubt she wants your fucking

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>helmet ass up there. She'd rather be talking to a cute,

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 2>fun blonde girl, but she's panting up there. Rollins is

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to get her help. She says, don't you get it?

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 2>He's dead, and Rollins asks who, and she goes, Manny,

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>they killed him.

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Rolin's going no, no, no, he's alive.

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>And she doesn't believe Rollin's and and it's like, no, no, no,

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>we have him in custody. We can call him, you

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 2>can talk to him. He's alive. She does not believe Rollins,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.959
<v Speaker 2>and she keeps accusing her of lying, and then she jumps.

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 2>But she must have seen the blow up thing beneath

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>her right like did she just want a fun ride?

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was wondering too.

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I was like, like, it's you're not going to end

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 4>your life, and so were you like this could be fun?

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, cause yeah, so you guys are

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>just like a giant Discovery Zone blow up savor thing

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>at the bottom.

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>She was going dzy at Discoveries.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 2>And she just jumped and it was like it was

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>cool like that you would pay money at an amusement.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Port to do.

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would love to do that because if you

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>jump to your death, I get it. But what are

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 2>you're jumping?

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Just?

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean I would do I would want the thrill.

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I would want a thrill to know I was safe.

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 2>But she jumps, but a thing catches her and it's

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 2>big and bouncy. So and she's in baby blue sweatpants.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And if you see a rich girl in baby blue sweatpants,

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 2>you know she's having a tough day, like she's going

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>through the dark side. She yeah, it's not it's not

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>a good sign. It's not a you're not wearing baby

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>blue if things are going good. So now we're in

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the hospital. Rollin's and Benson come to see Avery in

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>her room. They go, why did you think Manny was dead?

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's because she called his cell phone that morning.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>But they said I'll never see him again. And they

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>go who is they? And they ask if it's the

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>gang or any info, like they want to understand what

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>led her to the roof, what happened last night. She

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>says it wasn't Manny's fault. She asked them to come over.

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>They ordered pizza and studied. Benson said, I also like

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>that good kids can only study, like could it be

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>monopoly or a game or a movie.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>It's always like we were just studying.

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it needs to be an in between from like

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>gang activity and studying.

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand one is studying.

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 4>We were drinking vodka and fucking, or we were studying,

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 4>and there's nothing in between.

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I was friends with this little girl when I was

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>a kid, and her mom was very, very strict, and

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>it was a very studious family, but I was We

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>were always desperate to hang out. So sometimes I would

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>go to her house and we would both have to

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 2>read silently from our own books. But I would just

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>come over to read together for a half hour.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>And then leave.

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my best friend and I used to watch

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 4>TV on the phone together, just like watching TV and

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 4>like barely talking because I would get in trouble if

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 4>I got busted watching TV.

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the weekday, the weekday clank.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yeah, So Benson.

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Says, well, the apartment looked like there was a party

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 2>in sex and she's like, wow, we've had sex before,

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 2>please don't tell my parents, but not last night. They

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>were like, did Manny invite people over? She says no.

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 2>The doorbell rang. I went to answer it, and three

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>guys pushed in and yelled at Manny in Spanish. They're like, well,

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 2>what do they want and she says money. I guess

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>They went to the liquor cabinet and then they tore

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>the house apart, and she screamed, but they grabbed her

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>and she doesn't want to talk about anything else because

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>they said they would kill Manny if she talked. They

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>decide to bully the suicidal girl and tell her, well,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the only person we know that was in the apartment

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>was Manny, so unless you talk, we're pinning it all

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>on him and we're taking it all the way. And

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>she swears it wasn't him, and Benson goes, well, he's

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>just gonna stay in jail till you tell us the truth.

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So she starts crying. Then they had a gun.

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>They dragged her into her parents' bedroom and they raped her,

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>all three of them, and they were laughing and shouting

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>rock amos, which I guess is we rock and Benson

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 2>translated that. Benson translates it to rollins, so she goes,

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>that means we rock. And then they held a gun

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>on Manny during the attack and made him watch, and

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>they told him that he had to go next, but

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't do it. And so then it went all

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>night until the like till it was light out, and

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 2>then she said, you know, my parents are going to

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 2>be back soon, and so they left. They took Manny

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>with them, and then she says, once I called and

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>realized that he was dead, she walked out of the house,

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>wandered around the city and got to his neighborhood. So

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Benson says, okay, we're gonna do a rape kit. We're

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna look at some photos, and we're going to try

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>to make some IDs. She repeats that Manny had nothing

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>to do with it, that he really loves her, and

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole time that she was falling into like this

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>pillow cloud, that she was thinking about him, and Manny

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>is asking to see avery but tomorrow and Finn are like, no, no, no, no,

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>you need to tell us who did this or you're

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 2>going down as an accessory. And it's like, Manny, this

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 2>is when you ask for a fucking lawyer. But they

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 2>lie to him, and they say that the gang won't

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>know it came from him, and he goes, well, now

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>who's lying and he is crying and they and he says, like,

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 2>they put a gun on me, and they keep bullying him,

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and he asked, do you think I wanted this? And

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>they go no, but they raped your girl and you

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and made you watch, and you're not man enough to

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>tell us who they are. So Benson walks in and

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>then Manny goes, well, they said if I talk, they're

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 2>going to kill me and Avery, and Benson stares him

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>down and says, well, I guess Avery's tougher than you

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.439
<v Speaker 2>because she is looking at mugshots of your friends. He says,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 2>they're not my friends, and so now are at clear

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>board time. Finn is breaking down that the Prince match

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>a dude named Carlos Hernandez and he is the head

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>of the gang. And then Avery did pick him out,

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and Amaro explains the next guy. It's a real musical

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>chairs moment. They each get a guy to bring up.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>So Amro says, Miguel Castilla, aka the Sandman, he was

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 2>caught pawning the mom's jewels, and then Avery I d'd

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>him as well, and then Rollins comes on with the

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>third guy, Info, and that's Rego Harrie Ado, and so

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they're bragging online about and this idiot, this Rego guy,

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 2>is bragging online about his crime. He's truly doing live

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>stories of like we fucking did it girl Upstown, you know,

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 2>upstate uptown, one of the Upper West whatever. They're like

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>bragging about being on the Upper West Side and so

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>full incrimination. So they go to They're gonna go hang

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>out with the gang unit, who probably tracks their routine,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna start arresting these motherfuckers because if they're

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>bragging online about the crime, they're not laying low. So

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Rollins are in a car spying and they

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 2>get they find Miguel and they arrest him. Tomorrow goes

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to pick up Rego and then it's a full crew

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to pick up Carlos, who's in charge, full protection gear cops.

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Rollins are there and then Finn like walks

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>into the door, grabs this dude by the neck and

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>throws him on the couch. Yeah, and this is when

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, of course people want to fuck Finn.

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean the way he grabbed this man's neck. I

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 1>loved it.

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>So there's a kid in this house with his girlfriend

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and Finn was like, wait, I know you, Marisol, and

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>she goes, so what and he's like, I thought you

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>were done with that gang shit and like you stayed

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 2>with your baby daddy. And she goes, he was a

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>rat and rolls on everyone and the gang and they're like, well, no,

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 2>he left you out of it.

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>He just rolled on the gang. She goes, the gang

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>is my family and that's that, okay.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 2>So the guys in cement room bars are saying that

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Manny is the one that invited them to come through.

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 2>They're saying that she was into it and that she

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 2>was coming like a freight train the whole time. And

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:01.320
<v Speaker 2>the main guy is hot and his smile is evil,

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 2>and they're saying she wanted a trip, okay. And then

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>they're these guys are saying that she wanted a trip

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>to the boneyard. They're calling her a rich bitch. And

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.760
<v Speaker 2>so now we go visit her and she's in shock.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 2>She goes, hold up. They're saying that Manny told them

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted it. She says, nobody would want that, but

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they're like, how did they know that your parents were

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 2>going to be away? You know, how they know that

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 2>you were going to be home alone? And she says,

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe they followed Manny and she says,

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>what did Manny say? And they're like, Manny is not

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>cooperating and she's like, oh my god, he's mad at me.

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 2>And they ask why in the world would he be

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>mad at you, and she goes, well, they made him

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>watch all night and he saw and she's having a

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>hard time saying it, but basically they hurt her so bad,

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>but she did. She was coming and she couldn't stop,

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and so each time it happened, they would high five

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>each other and it was this weird game. But she

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to and she's like, I was scared to death.

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>My body, you know, kept having orgasms and she's like,

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I hate myself. I'm so disgusting, and they, you know,

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the classic go like, this is a physiological normal response.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a reflex. It doesn't mean that you wanted it

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>or enjoyed it. And she just like thinks that something

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>is wrong with her and she's they're like, nothing is

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 2>wrong with you, and she goes, well, then, why has

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that never happened with Manny and now she's full crying.

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>She says, I love him, and she's so confused and

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 2>she's chewing on her like thumb like thumbnails like she's

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:34.279
<v Speaker 2>really ripping her nails apart. So now it's Barbara time,

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, what's the problem. We have physical evidence,

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 2>we have social media evidence, we have priors IDs by

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the victim like DNA Prince like, let's take this to court.

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, well, you know, she's experienced in voluntary

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>orgasms during the rape and she doesn't want to testify,

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara goes, no, worries, I'll get a bunch of experts.

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>They'll explain how that's not consent, like she needs to

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.479
<v Speaker 2>take the stand. And Barbara says, you need to change

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>her mind or get the boyfriend to talk. But we

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 2>need someone on the fucking stand. And he's acting like

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>that's an easy thing to do. If it was, they

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 2>would have already gotten them both to testify. So now

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>also this is a gang and we figure out that

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 2>the grandma was actually mugged by b X nine three

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:15.959
<v Speaker 2>times last year.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>They're terrible.

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 2>We're like watching this grandma being beat in this elevator

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like I don't understand.

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 4>I know, and the and Manny's grandma is from many

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 4>SVU episodes, right, isn't she the woman that works at

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 4>the beef in the factory in beef Oh my god, yes,

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 4>when uh Marishka is like many kugarachas Like yeah, holy.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Shit, yeah she is.

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And I just don't like her being mugged, but whatever,

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>so I know, so he probably joined the gang to

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>protect her. So it's like Manny wanted to live a

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>different life. So and then they start harassing his grandma

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to force him to join a gang that, like his

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>brother died protected like fuck you, so they saw so.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like the detectives are discussing like of

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.720
<v Speaker 2>course the gang wants a smart boy around, and Finn

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>adds or a cream puff to take a hit for

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 2>all of this, and then it's like, but why rape

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.439
<v Speaker 2>the girlfriend? Is this like a loyalty test? Like why

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking do this? And then it clicks. The grandma mentioned

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 2>how he was about to have enough money to get

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>a gravestone for his brother and maybe this robbery is

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the big payday, like did he set this up for

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 2>the money in cash? Like this is terrible so they

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>go to harass the grandma, and you know, she hasn't

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 2>been through enough. So then the grandma thinks like that

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>he that he's a delivery boy for a pharmacy, but

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a gravestone is two grands, so they're like, it's not

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>adding up, like no one does deliveries for pharmacies, and

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>then makes thousands of dollars. So then they guilt her

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.280
<v Speaker 2>into talking because they're like, well, he joined the gang

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 2>for your safety, and Finn and Tomorrow are onto something maybe,

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>and so they're doing walking and talking. They're thinking, they're

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 2>figuring it all out. And I didn't know. I love

0:40:58.320 --> 0:40:59.959
<v Speaker 2>the watching Nick button his coat.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Hot. Okay, so we're talking to SVDU Royalty.

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Here it's the earwax man from the episode with the

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Big the companies to remember this episode. Wait, the earwax

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 2>It's ridiculous, man, it's ridiculous, cureless, ridiculous.

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he's also driving the beer truck at the

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 4>super Bowl episode.

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, he's like in five episodes, he's amazing. So

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.359
<v Speaker 2>now he's here as well, and this time, you work,

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>we got to get him on the show. I wonder

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 2>if we've done all his episodes. So I feel like

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 2>we talk about ridiculous, like all the goddamn sun, it's ridiculous.

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, I just drive the trucks and Rollins goes, okay,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 2>but you probably just also tell the gangs when the ox.

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>He's coming in and out, and he denies it, denies it,

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, we're going to go through all

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.720
<v Speaker 2>your financials and if we see you that you're spending

0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 2>double then what you're making and delivering, then we're going

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>to have an issue on our hands. And then they're like,

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>we're not even after you. We truly don't give a shit.

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>We need to know what happened, Like can you can

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you fill us in? He goes, okay, Okay, okay, he goes,

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I called in to be nine that like we got

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the oxy, but they sent some skinny kid to point

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>the gun. But the kid is being shy, he's not

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>saying anything, and they show a photo of Manny goes, yeah,

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.839
<v Speaker 2>that's him. He froze, and so I had to tell him,

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>like shoot the wall. You need to make it look real,

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>like you can't just stand there. It's my job, but

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.439
<v Speaker 2>like they have to make it look like a real

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking robbery and this guy just hasn't had the normal

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 2>acting classes that most criminals have yet haha. And so

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, the owner though heard the shot came running.

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 2>So basically when the owner comes out, the ridiculous dude

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>is like, this kid wants oxy. This kid walks wants oxy.

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:39.280
<v Speaker 2>So what did the owner do? We cut to Rikers

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>and uh oh, they find out that the pharmacists let

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>him go with a bunch of aspirin instead of oxy.

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>And so then Finn and Tomorrow are like, okay, well

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 2>now we know everything. The gang is getting back at

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 2>you for fucking up their drug deal. You know, aspirin

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have that big of a as big of a

0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:59.720
<v Speaker 2>payday as oxy.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they're doing everything.

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>They get him to talk, and then they bring up

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>his brother and he goes, you think you're going to

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 2>bring up my brother and that's going to make me talk,

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And Finn's like, damn, so you don't care about anybody.

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna help Avery at all. He says, she

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>can take care of herself. I saw that she doesn't

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>need me, and Tomorrow's like, you're a fucking idiot. And

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:21.240
<v Speaker 2>so now they're in woodroom blinds with Avery, and Avery

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>is so confused. She's like, wait, what do you mean

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>he's not testifying, and Benson explains that he is too

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>scared and of the game, that he's too scared of

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.799
<v Speaker 2>the gang, and she goes, no, I know it's me.

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I broke his heart and Benson's like, you need to stop.

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, and then they bring up like

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>tickling and then like crying with cutting onions and just

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like they're really explaining everything to her, and she.

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 4>Goes, remind me of like when they talk to male

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 4>victims and the male victims are like, how could I

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 4>have gotten an erection if I was being attacked? And

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.479
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's a bodily response, you.

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, And so then she's like, I need to

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>talk to him, so they let her visit wrikers.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>She sits down across from him and they have a

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>how are you off?

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 2>And she says sorry, and she says sorry to him,

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy. This makes me as mad as the

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Barbie movie, Like why is she apologizing? Why does she

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>have to apologize him? She was like brutally raped and

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 2>she just keeps worrying about him, like this.

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Is so fun.

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, like you got cooked so bad when I

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 4>got raped, Like it's so bonkers. But she's a teen.

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 4>And then it's like, you know, she's a teen. And

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 4>she's explaining she's about to jump off a roof. She's

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 4>also going through a lot. Yeah, she's explaining how it was.

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't into it, she didn't feel anything that she

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 2>was fully disassociated, like not in her body at all.

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>She couldn't stop it, and Amaro pipes in.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>She's telling the truth, and she says, all I was

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>worried about was you. You have to believe me. She's

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 2>begging him. I she's begging him. He says, you're worried

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 2>about me? Then walk away. Tell them nothing happened to you.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>She says, but you know that's not true. You have

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:02.919
<v Speaker 2>to tell the jury how they busted in. They held

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 2>me down and forced me. I didn't want any of it. Please,

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And he just says I'm sorry and looks off and

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>he is not going to help her. Rollin's and Tomorrow

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>roll their eyes at each other. They are fucking pissed.

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 2>And now we're like at the family vehicle. The dad

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>is packing up the car. He's bitching like he's like,

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 2>I no wonder he won't testify. He's as guilty as

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the rest of them. And the mom goes, listen, I

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 2>want him charged. They all suck. We want them all charged.

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 2>And the daughter is like, what the fuck you, guys,

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 2>I told you we had a gun to his head,

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>and the dad says, I wish they shot him. That boy,

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.439
<v Speaker 2>set you up. And Benson and Rollins try to talk

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 2>to the dad and the dad's like, fuck all of you.

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I want them all in prison for life.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Fuck you.

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.439
<v Speaker 2>And they start talking about testifying, and the mom goes,

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>we're going upstate.

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>We're going to our house for a few days.

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 2>We're getting the fuck out of here, and Benson and

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Rollins share a look of like, damn, our lives are

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>hard as the family drive off. So, okay, room room.

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>The gang's all here. So the gang starts attacking them

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.839
<v Speaker 2>in this wild motorcycle chase. So there's like got six

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>motorcycles circling the car. The dad's not and then they

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 2>like get in front of the vehicle and stop, and

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.320
<v Speaker 2>so the dad steps on the brakes.

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 4>This is like a very fast and furious like action

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 4>sequence for us, for you, and.

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, I would never judge anyone's behavior, but I

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:28.719
<v Speaker 2>would run over everyone in the motorcycle. Yeah, there's enough

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>footage in New York City.

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 1>It would be all caught, Like, yeah, I would.

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Because then what happens is they break the car with

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.959
<v Speaker 2>baseball bats. They beat the family to shit like they're

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 2>breaking the car. They all get off their motorcycles and

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>just like fully attack and yeah, bummer, And this is

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 2>on the news, this crime because this is very salacious

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and gang violence and you know people like that, and

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 2>so cut some ruises, broken ribs, wrists, Avery needs stitches

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>in her scalp. Oh god Rollins is on the scene

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara are at the squad and Benson gets the

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 2>update that they are not allowing her to testify.

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The parents are over it. They are done.

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 2>No one's talking, but Barbara just keeps talking about how

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 2>hard it's going to be in court.

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, there's so much evidence.

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 2>You're saying there's fingerprints or this or that there's DNA,

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Like what is the confusion?

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 1>They also just beat this family with the bats.

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>They're like discussing this, but basically, if there's not a witness,

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>then the gang members can kind of like spin anything

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 2>they could be like, we were invited, we were this,

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:31.919
<v Speaker 2>we were that, and beyond a reasonable doubt, you can't

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 2>really prove it without these other witnesses.

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't buy. I don't get this.

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 2>They need to make it easier to like bring people

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>to justice without having to re traumatize people. I don't

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 2>like it, Yeah, but it is what it is. So

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Amorrow wait over and he has an idea. He's like,

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>let me chat with Manny again. I've been looking at

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.320
<v Speaker 2>his brother's murder and I have some ideas. So basically,

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 2>witnesses said that he was shot by Del Toro Gang,

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 2>this other gang, but that gun was never and recovered.

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 2>But also all the witnesses that said it was Del

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Toro Gang were all b x nine.

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:07.879
<v Speaker 1>And guess what.

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Six months later, the gun was used as at a

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 2>bodega and the bullet was stuck in the wall, and

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 2>it was the same gun used for the brother's murder.

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>But that robbery and the bodega was b X nine.

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 2>So this is a community gun. This might be an

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>inside job, and this is a Morrow's theory. So Benson says,

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.720
<v Speaker 2>go work on it, because you know, without avery, without Manny.

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>These guys fucking walk like, we need to figure this out.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>So the guy they bullied, like the rat with the

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>photos and stuff, like just the guy on the street,

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 2>is now in a Morrow's passenger seat trying to hide

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.319
<v Speaker 2>like yeah and getting low.

0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>It's really theatrical. This guy's really funny.

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>He gives me like a Templeton the rat vibe, you

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 2>know from Charlotte's.

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Baby, Like he's just kind of like he's silly.

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like really into this guy, and I hope he

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 2>gets out of the gang life.

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 1>But he has a sense of humor around him, so we.

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Get what we get from the the like the guy

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>also doesn't agree say anything out loud. It's all in

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 2>the eyes, like, it's a lot of eye acting. But

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.919
<v Speaker 2>we get that this is an inside job and it's

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 2>so fucked up. And also, the same gun that Manny

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>used in the pharmacy stick up was the same gun

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that killed his brother.

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 4>They gave him his own brother's murder weapon as a

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 4>community gun to do this aspirin stick up.

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Jesus.

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>So now we're at the cemetery and Amaro and Finn

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 2>brought Manny from Rikers to you don't know, run around

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the block. At the cemetery, Manny says, he's not talking,

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're walking and talking and they're like, the gang

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 2>tried to kill your girlfriend and her family. Then they

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 2>give him the information about his brother, and he will

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 2>not believe him, and they're like, well, did they ever

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 2>get revenge on your brother's death. Manny knows the answer,

0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 2>but instead screams like stop, and then says loyal and Spanish.

0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Nick says there's a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty.

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And then they go to his brother's gravesite and there's

0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 2>no gravestone, just like a small little wooden cross and

0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:09.360
<v Speaker 2>a ribbon, and so Nick takes out the bullet that

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 2>killed his brother, and then the second bullet is the

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>same gun, and that's the gang community gun, and here's

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the third bullet from your pharmacy thing. So basically, yeah,

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>this is sad. And then Manny still refuses it. He's like, no,

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I believe O G wouldn't do that. O G wouldn't

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:27.600
<v Speaker 2>do that. And then they also like raped avery on

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:31.719
<v Speaker 2>top of all of this, like what the fu And

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 2>they just keep trying to convince him, and he says,

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't because then she will know that I'm guilty.

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I knew the dad was right.

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Damn Og called me that night and said they were

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>coming over to party. He knew what that meant, but

0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to know. And he could have called

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the cops. He could have gotten Avery out of there,

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>but he froze, like they could have gone anywhere else.

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>They could have gone to a movie, Like they didn't

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 2>have to be in that fucking house, right, he didn't

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 2>have to go over there like it is.

0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>This is terrible.

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe he did this and then make it

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.839
<v Speaker 2>her feel bad after her rape while she's crying over

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>his fucking ass.

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 1>What she well, he set this up.

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>It's so awful.

0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 2>He's like, once Avery finds out, she'll hate me for

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the rest of her life.

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Go fuck yourself.

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Nick says, you didn't protect her then, but maybe you

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 2>can protect her now. So now he's sitting with Barbara,

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.399
<v Speaker 2>and they promise they're gonna, you know, keep it confidential.

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Manny knows that's not possible, but they promised round the

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 2>clock protection, so they turn the camera on.

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 1>He talks right into the camera.

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Avery, The worst thing you can do with these guys

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 2>is show weakness, and they knew how much I loved you.

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 1>That's why this happened.

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 2>What he should have done is shoot up every pharmacy

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>in town to spare you even a second of pain.

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 2>So now we cut to Avery watching the tape. Rollins

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 2>feels bad. Avery's really sad. He continues, I'm sorry.

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Avery.

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 2>She says, I knew he would do the right thing,

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 2>and she wants to thank him. But first Rollins goes, well,

0:51:58.280 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>let me fill you in on the rest of the

0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>tape and the testimony and his role in all of this,

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, well, he had a gun to his head,

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and Rollin's goes, yeah, but he knew the gang was

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 2>coming over. He knew, and he didn't tell me, which

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.000
<v Speaker 2>is a normal response for Avery to have. And this

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>is like fucking arm breaking, and Rollin says, I'm so sorry.

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And then Avery goes, I thought he loved me. Oh

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 2>my god. While they were on top of me, all

0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.839
<v Speaker 2>I could think about was him and how hard it

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>was for him to watch. And Rollin says, he did

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.319
<v Speaker 2>not want you to get hurt. I'm sure of it,

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and she says, no, you don't get to defend him.

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm with Avery here.

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Finn interrupts and asks for Amanda. Yeah, Amanda's always

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:42.759
<v Speaker 2>going to defend Amana, so totally up her ally. So

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>when Amanda like steps out, they get a call from

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.839
<v Speaker 2>Rikers Manny was found dead hanging in his cell about

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 2>an hour ago, and his tongue was cut out. But

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 2>also like duh, but also wasn't he supposed to be

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.360
<v Speaker 2>in protective custody? So then Barbara's on the same page

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I was, and saying what I said, which is like, wait,

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 2>isn't he protect of custody? And Finn goes, well, you know,

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:06.319
<v Speaker 2>guards say, shit happens, and the grandma is inconsolable obviously

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>like her God, and I wonder, I butt the gang's

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 2>going to start harassing her again too, and now and

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.280
<v Speaker 2>now nobody is going to talk now that the tongue

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 2>is cut out, so like anyone that would have ever

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 2>helped is like done. So so they're like, well, can

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>we use the tape confession? And Barbara goes, you know

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the rules the defense gets to cross examine a witness,

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>so no, that's not possible. The only way the tape

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 2>goes in is if they can prove that they killed him.

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>To prevent him from testifying. But nobody's going to turn

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 2>on him now, nobody is safe, and Finn is like, well,

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe we can get him to turn on himself. So

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 2>they go to Marisol's house, the girlfriend of the OG,

0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to try to harass her, and she's

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 2>telling Rollin's like I'm not I don't have anything to

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking say to you, and Finn goes, okay, well og

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 2>is going down for rape and she says no, that

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 2>girl wanted it and she needs to be taught that

0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>like a lesson about what b X nine is all about.

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, what is it about? Like, god, yeah,

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 2>life is so hard. So they're basically playing some mind

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>games with her. Well, I was just talking to my

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 2>friend who's been sober for a long time. But she

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was like a bad team and went to rehab, and like,

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, this week we were talking about her

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 2>rehab life and she goes, I was the only person

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>in my like rehab for troubled teens that could read.

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:21.840
<v Speaker 2>She goes like, no one could read, no one was

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:24.919
<v Speaker 2>ever taught like read to, Like no one's parents ever

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 2>visited like she goes, that's when it hit me. That

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:28.879
<v Speaker 2>I had to get my life together because at least

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>my parents loved me, because she said, no one else.

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>She's like, they don't even they can't even fathom a

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 2>different life because no one, like they can't even see

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>outside of their thing and they can't even fucking read,

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, like, but yeah, this girl like

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.720
<v Speaker 2>likes her life with Og, Like what the fuck? Okay,

0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 2>So they're basically playing mind games with her, and they're

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 2>getting her to call Og and trap him, you know

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. So they go listen, we have his testimony,

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, I'm loyal, that's my man, and they go, yeah, okay,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>we just thought you should know. We have testimony and

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.360
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna put him away, and we got like Manny

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 2>helped and rat it. So they leave her and she

0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 2>calls him immediately. The plan worked. So now we're in

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.440
<v Speaker 2>prison and OG's with his lawyer and Barbara and Benson

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 2>are there, and the lawyer is like, well, everyone is dead.

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:22.080
<v Speaker 1>So he gets off and Benson goes, no, no, no, no, no, no,

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 1>a brutal gang rape. He's not going anywhere.

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 2>But he denies that it's a rape at all, and

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the lawyer says you both know that there's no case

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 2>that video is out, and Barba's like, well, actually in

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:37.200
<v Speaker 2>the case of forfeiture for wrongdoing, and so then Ogi

0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 2>gets nervous and he's like, what the fuck is he

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>talking about? And the lawyer explains, he's claiming that you

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 2>had many killed to prevent him from testifying, and if

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:50.240
<v Speaker 2>he can prove that, which he can't, then Manny's taped

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:51.760
<v Speaker 2>slander would be allowed.

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.040
<v Speaker 1>So that's like their big plan.

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 2>If they can prove that he was killed to stop

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 2>him from testifying, then the tape gets to be used

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:01.799
<v Speaker 2>in trial. And then Ben's and goes, except we can

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.520
<v Speaker 2>prove that, and she leans in your girlfriend, Marisol, she

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 2>made a call to you this morning. Huh. He goes, yeah,

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I had to calm her down, and Barbara goes, oh, no,

0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 2>you talked a little bit more than that. Prison phone

0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 2>calls aren't confidential, babe. It was her flipping out and

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 2>you hear, and so they play the tape. They play

0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the phone call and it's her flipping out, like being like,

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:25.759
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. They got Manny to testify. Manny, but

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Manny turned like, what's going to happen? Are you going

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.839
<v Speaker 2>to be in jail and you hear o g say, Oh,

0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 2>don't worry, I'm not doing any time. And she says,

0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the cops told me Manny is testifying. He says, they're lying.

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 2>My Verdugos took care of it. He's not talking to anybody,

0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:46.839
<v Speaker 2>especially without a tongue. So then his lawyer goes, I'm

0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:48.919
<v Speaker 2>going to need some time with my client and we'll

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 2>take up pok. He goes, we'll take a plea and

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Barbara goes, oh, I'd rather go to the jury. You know,

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather do that unless he's willing to testify against

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.400
<v Speaker 2>his fellow gang members, and that's the only way he

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 2>can get a deal. And he calmly says, you think

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you won this, it's cool. I'll do my bid. Prison's

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 2>right for new recruits anyways, and they're loyal to the core,

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and Benson says, like Manny was. He says, no, he

0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.120
<v Speaker 2>was never one of us. And in fact, I'm safer

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 2>in here than you are out there, Sergeant Benson, And

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 2>she says, oh, you want to threaten me, And then

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.920
<v Speaker 2>this is like, this is not aged, but she goes,

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.919
<v Speaker 2>I got the biggest gang in the city. You think

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>your guys are loyal, go ahead test the NYPD. Hye daarhiea.

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I crinched.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 4>I was like, live, no, come on, you guys are special.

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Don't don't talk about being a gang. Don't talk about

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 4>being a gang, because you guys already have.

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 2>A bad well you are the lie, the blue fin lie.

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Like you guys are this like this is so fucked

0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 2>like I want Benson to be safe, but god so

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 2>but she's right, okay, So Barba says that's a direct threat,

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>like let's get you protection. Of course, Live goes, I'm

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:04.360
<v Speaker 2>not living like that. I don't want anything and whatever.

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:07.479
<v Speaker 2>So now we cut to some aggressive painting. I've never seen

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a canvas be you know, such hard lines and it's

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 2>avery painting.

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, our artsy girl.

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think she made the art fair though, But

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Rollin's is like, damn girl, your paintings are a little different.

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.080
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, yeah, I don't know that girl anymore.

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's like truly just a paint on the like

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a heart on the canvas. But okay, so Rollin says

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:33.280
<v Speaker 2>she'll come back, and she goes, he knew, manny knew

0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 2>talking to the DA was a death sentence and Rollin

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 2>says he couldn't let those men free. He couldn't live

0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 2>with that, and she says, oh, so you really did

0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.200
<v Speaker 2>love me. I'll never have that again, and Rollin goes, girl,

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you're young, like you're gonna have to baby, don't worry,

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and she says, have you ever been with someone that

0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 2>was willing to die to protect you? He died thinking

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I didn't love him anymore. I should have told him

0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>while I still had the chance, still thinking about him,

0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 2>like I don't, I don't get it.

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 2>She looks down and then keeps painting very aggressively, and

0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>then piano notes start playing and play into the end

0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>entire Dick Wolf Baby, and that's our.

0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 4>Dick Wolf Baby. Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, this episode is.

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:19.360
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I.

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Don't know, I hate I really kind of hate all

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 4>the gang ones because it does just feel like they

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 4>have such control over people and everyone's like making And

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 4>this is the kid who was like smart enough to

0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 4>get into a fucking this gifted high school and everything.

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 4>He had a bright future ahead of himself and he

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 4>just got caught up in this. But like he's bad, right,

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 4>like he knew it was happening, but did they have

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 4>something over him? Like I get a little bit confused

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:43.439
<v Speaker 4>with the plot of this one.

0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's because he fucked up that like aspirin, because

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.000
<v Speaker 2>he fucked up because he wouldn't, like, you know, act

0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:49.960
<v Speaker 2>enough like a gangster.

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Like he also didn't even want to be a part

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, they bullied him into it.

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:56.760
<v Speaker 2>He didn't do a good job, and then they decided

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.720
<v Speaker 2>to But he he just shouldn't have gone over, like

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>they should have left the Yeah.

1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.

1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.320
<v Speaker 2>But like I said, it's like a worldview and they

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have it. But he was also he probably had

1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a totally different worldview. He was going to this like

1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:15.560
<v Speaker 2>gifted programs school. Yeah, it's devastating, but also betrayals climax.

1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like an uncomfortable it's all uncomfortable. Yes,

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 1>it's all very uncomfortable. Yeah, it's all sad. I've convoluted

1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and tell us about the crime.

1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so this episode is based on a like assault

1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 4>that took place with MS thirteen, which you know, for

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people, MS thirteen is like the right

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.680
<v Speaker 4>wing talking point gang that we talk about all the time.

1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 4>MS thirteen is just flooding into this country and blah

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:57.360
<v Speaker 4>blah blah. But it stands for Mara Salvatruca, which is

1:00:58.080 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 4>MS thirteen. It's an international criminal gang that originated in

1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:05.880
<v Speaker 4>La in cal in the eighties and originally the gang

1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:10.040
<v Speaker 4>was set up to protect Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs

1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:13.520
<v Speaker 4>in Los Angeles, but it eventually turned into like a

1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:15.720
<v Speaker 4>more traditional gang, okay.

1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:17.320
<v Speaker 1>So like originally it was like.

1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:21.320
<v Speaker 4>No, let's like support our fellow, you know, Salvadorans, and

1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:27.800
<v Speaker 4>then no, it turned into you know, running drugs, guns, murder, rape,

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:31.680
<v Speaker 4>all kinds of crimes in the Richmond, Virginia area. In

1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:39.760
<v Speaker 4>August of twenty thirteen, Jose Armando Brand aka Pantro, which oh, okay,

1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 4>Pantro is just Panthro, which is the name of a

1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:44.200
<v Speaker 4>character in the Thundercat series.

1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:45.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if that's where this guy got

1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:46.560
<v Speaker 1>his nickname.

1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:49.720
<v Speaker 4>That a Thundercat's nickname might be a little embarrassing for

1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:50.920
<v Speaker 4>like the leader of a clique.

1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.720
<v Speaker 1>But he is thirty years old.

1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:57.000
<v Speaker 4>He gets two consecutive life sentences for crimes he committed

1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and orchestrated.

1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:59.600
<v Speaker 1>As the leader of a.

1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 4>MS thirteen subset or click called Sailor's locos saval truca

1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:06.480
<v Speaker 4>and I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I'm not a

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 4>perfect Spanish speaker. And then allegedly Jose Mancilla Martinez aka

1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Ready became the new leader of this click within a

1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:21.640
<v Speaker 4>mesertine which is in the Chesterfield County, Virginia area. So

1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:25.320
<v Speaker 4>he was he was given the life sentences in August

1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:28.200
<v Speaker 4>of twenty thirteen. But this crime is happening. He obviously

1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:32.480
<v Speaker 4>got arrested much earlier, and that's when the year before,

1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:36.880
<v Speaker 4>and that's when Jose Moncia Martinez aka Ready took over

1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.600
<v Speaker 4>the mantle. So on August eighteenth of twenty twelve, this

1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:43.880
<v Speaker 4>girl is visiting a friend at her friend's apartment complex

1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:48.560
<v Speaker 4>and later she's waiting outside for her ride when Moncia

1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Martinez or Ready, who was seventeen at the time and

1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:56.120
<v Speaker 4>is taking over this click of this gang. But he's seventeen,

1:02:56.560 --> 1:03:01.800
<v Speaker 4>I thought, you know, he approaches her, uh with Hario

1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Jose Hernandez, also seventeen. They offered this girl a ride

1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:07.680
<v Speaker 4>and she takes it because she knows them and she

1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:11.480
<v Speaker 4>feels like safe with them, okay, and they take her

1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:15.120
<v Speaker 4>back to Mancia Martinez's apartment between sometime between midnight and

1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:17.600
<v Speaker 4>one am, where they all watched TV for a bit,

1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.600
<v Speaker 4>and then she asked them to take her home and

1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Mancia Martinez said they'd take her, but first she had

1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:28.640
<v Speaker 4>to do something for them, alluding to something sexual, and

1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:31.480
<v Speaker 4>the girl said that they quote must be kidding and

1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:33.320
<v Speaker 4>also said, quote don't be stupid.

1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:35.440
<v Speaker 1>But then as she was sitting on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Couch, Moncia Martinez forced her down by her shoulders. When

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<v Speaker 4>she screamed, he pulled a machete on her. So both girl,

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<v Speaker 4>both boys raped this girl and like at machete point.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how to say it other than that like,

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<v Speaker 4>and then took her home, where she told her mother

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<v Speaker 4>what happened. They waited a couple of days to call

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<v Speaker 4>the police because both boys were affiliated with MS thirteen

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<v Speaker 4>and they feared retribution, and then Moncilla Martinez eventually was

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<v Speaker 4>arrested and charged as an adult in Chesterfield County Court

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<v Speaker 4>Circuit Court, but he claimed the sex was consensual. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm almost surprised that they were able to get a

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<v Speaker 4>conviction just because if she waited a few days. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if there was physical evidence or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 4>just like you know, they make rape the hardest thing

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<v Speaker 4>to fucking prove ever, and these kids are claiming that

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<v Speaker 4>it was consensual. But on January ninth, twenty thirteen, he

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<v Speaker 4>is found guilty of forcible rape by a jury and

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<v Speaker 4>actually very SVU. He admitted his gang affiliation while talking

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<v Speaker 4>to a forensic psychologist, doctor Evan Nelson, during court ordered

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<v Speaker 4>psychological sexual evaluation. So he had a huang in his

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<v Speaker 4>life that he just opened up to at this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And Nelson wrote in his report that Mancilla Martinez asserted

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<v Speaker 4>that even though the MS thirteen gang was own for crimes,

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<v Speaker 4>he did not do them, and trying to bolster his point,

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<v Speaker 4>he said with misguided sincerity, he spontaneously remarked, ce MS

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen is not involved in robbing, They're mostly involved in killing.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think he was trying to be like like,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't rob, we just kill, and I don't try

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<v Speaker 4>to get himself like off of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know how what that has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with his own crime. That's just like this quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the report that I read.

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<v Speaker 4>So Mancilla Martinez had also been investigated by the FBI

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<v Speaker 4>for a murder in Richmond in twenty twelve, so he's

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<v Speaker 4>already on their radar as like a gang member. And

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<v Speaker 4>before his sentencing, Chesterfield Circuit Judge Stephen C. McCallum was

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<v Speaker 4>presented with evidence that Mancilla Martinez had been involved in

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<v Speaker 4>another gang related assault while he was being held in

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<v Speaker 4>juvenile detention. So he was eventually sentenced to twelve months

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<v Speaker 4>for that attack, and then on July seventeenth, twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 4>which is eleven months after he committed this rape, the

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<v Speaker 4>judge sentenced him to forty years in prison with twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years suspend. So it's twenty years for raping this fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>year old girl while holding her at machete point. He

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<v Speaker 4>must also register as a Virginia sex offender when he's out.

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<v Speaker 4>He currently is serving his sentence in Red Onion State

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<v Speaker 4>Prison in Pound, Virginia, which is like near the border

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<v Speaker 4>of Kentucky. And I looked him up and his release

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<v Speaker 4>date is listed as November twelfth, twenty thirty two, so

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<v Speaker 4>that's in seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like kind of fucked.

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<v Speaker 4>Because like what the guy said in the episode is true,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think prisons are places that gangs just recruit

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<v Speaker 4>new members. So the other boy, Hernandez.

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<v Speaker 2>So you need loyalty you need protection, you need you

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<v Speaker 2>need protection and prisons. So it's like, yeah, yeah, i'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fucking desperate. I probably joined something I didn't want to. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't all be Edward Norton in the corner reading

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, exactly exactly. I mean there's yeah, there's episode

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<v Speaker 4>like I mean in Sons of Anarchy, there's like a

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<v Speaker 4>whole storyline about this guy who is in this motorcycle

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<v Speaker 4>gang even though and he can't let them find out

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<v Speaker 4>that he's part black because they're so racist that he's like,

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<v Speaker 4>but then in jail, like he's you know, he's got

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<v Speaker 4>to get in with these gangs and stuff for present,

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<v Speaker 4>for help or protection, you know. So it's I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a it's a complicated ecosystem in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>But because I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew letters on the back of my heads, manek, so

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't really be able to join the like white power.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know why that would be tough. I

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<v Speaker 4>think you could be taken in by other groups. I

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<v Speaker 4>think other groups would take you in for your for

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<v Speaker 4>your other your saying.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone recognized me from Survival of the Thickest, I

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<v Speaker 2>could join the Black group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's Michelle Putoe's roommate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's my only way to protection. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if it was orange and New Black, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>red is Russian, right, would she have taken you under

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<v Speaker 2>her wing?

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<v Speaker 1>I I think she.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, unless she really hated Jews too, I'm really not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a great question. I think she was okay

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I could join maybe a I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to fuck with the I don't know, girl, It's

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<v Speaker 2>not an ideal situation, no matter how he slice it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, so he is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So then the other guy, uh, the other one who

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<v Speaker 4>was seventeen at the time, eighteen at the time of sentencing, Hernandez.

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<v Speaker 4>He pled guilty and marched also to rape and was

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<v Speaker 4>sentenced to three and a half years in a state

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<v Speaker 4>juvenile correctional facility. And I get, and I guess as

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<v Speaker 4>part of a blended sentence of juvenile and adult punishment,

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<v Speaker 4>which I had never heard of before. Hernandez also got

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<v Speaker 4>ten years in adult prison, but with all ten years suspended.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really.

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<v Speaker 4>Get that, but I guess his lawyer probably made a

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<v Speaker 4>case like if you plead guilty, We'll get you juvenile

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<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't your idea and this guy was clearly

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<v Speaker 4>the leader and he probably said.

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<v Speaker 1>He made you do it or something like that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Chesterfield Prosecutor BJ McGee said Mancia Martinez instigated the

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<v Speaker 4>attack and Hernandez was pressured by his friend to participate.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the story.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, it's not like widely reported on outside of

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<v Speaker 4>the Richmond area press outlets that I that I found,

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, I'm sure there's a many, many unreported

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<v Speaker 4>instances of guys and gangs using attacks on girlfriends as

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<v Speaker 4>like leverage and payback and revenge and all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not like this is the only thing that

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<v Speaker 4>this was probably based on.

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<v Speaker 1>But that case happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, a year before this episode came out about,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's.

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<v Speaker 1>That on that.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, dark all around. But we have a guest.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a great guest, So fantastic guess. Don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Our guest today is an actor and filmmaker who you

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<v Speaker 4>may know from shows like Younger or Donnie. She also wrote, directed,

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<v Speaker 4>and starred in the feature films The Country Club and

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<v Speaker 4>a New York story, but you know her best as

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<v Speaker 4>our victim in today's episode, Avery Capshaw. Please enjoy our

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<v Speaker 4>very interesting conversation with Fiona Robert. This is uh so

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<v Speaker 4>fun that we get to talk to you. You're like

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<v Speaker 4>the big part of this episode betrayals climax.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about the audition. Yeah, I'm like reading praumatic art.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a weird title too, like it's like a real.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally fucked up yes. Wait yeah, not me, just understanding

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<v Speaker 4>that right now. When you pointed it out, I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you mean, Oh my god, ill.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's definitely like a hook title, right, like it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the audition for it. So I this was like

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<v Speaker 5>the first job I ever got in New York, and

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<v Speaker 5>I had actually auditioned for a different episode of Law

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<v Speaker 5>and Order that I and all I wanted was to

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<v Speaker 5>be on Law and Order because every actor that I

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<v Speaker 5>respected had done one Law and Order episode in their career.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was like desperate to get on the show.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I was called in for a different episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually I don't know if you guys are going to

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<v Speaker 5>look at it, but it was about a girl who

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<v Speaker 5>was like trapped in a cave or like in a

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<v Speaker 5>basement for a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we can't say defectively.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I got pretty close to that one, like

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<v Speaker 5>I had a producer session and everything, and then and

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<v Speaker 5>meand I didn't get it, and the feedback was that

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't look like I had been in the cave

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<v Speaker 5>for like an abasement for like a month. I think

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<v Speaker 5>I was like a little too I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 5>polished or cute or whatever not to you know, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>so then I was like okay, sad. And then I

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<v Speaker 5>got actually a tape for this, so I didn't go

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<v Speaker 5>in the room, I don't think. I think I just

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<v Speaker 5>taped for it, like a self tape, and then they

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<v Speaker 5>offered it to me like almost immediately, because I think

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<v Speaker 5>I had already been through the audition process, so they

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<v Speaker 5>already knew that I could like go in front of

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<v Speaker 5>people and deliver, and they just were looking for someone

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<v Speaker 5>that would do this part. And then I actually learned

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<v Speaker 5>later that like nobody wanted this part except for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well did they tell you? Which understandably understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>But SVU is always pretty graphic and fucked, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wondering what specifically about this one turned people away.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went in years later to audition for the

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<v Speaker 5>same casting director for like a series regular part.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it was like Chicago med or something.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I walked into the audition, actually he said

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<v Speaker 5>like she was on like one of the hardest episodes

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<v Speaker 5>of SVU that I ever had to cast. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think it was because there's like there was like three

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<v Speaker 5>pivotal scenes where in the script it said like she

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<v Speaker 5>is bawling.

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<v Speaker 6>It was like when she.

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<v Speaker 5>Almost jumps off the roof, and then when she admits

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<v Speaker 5>to like the rape, and then again when she admits

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<v Speaker 5>to like having the orgasm.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think it's like a very vulnerable scene.

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<v Speaker 5>Like those are really vulnerable scenes, all three of them

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<v Speaker 5>alone and in like a show or an episode would

1:13:21.560 --> 1:13:24.080
<v Speaker 5>be intense. And then to have to be at that,

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<v Speaker 5>not to use the word, but climax of emotion is like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I think actresses would look at that and

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<v Speaker 5>just go like, you know, they give you two takes

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<v Speaker 5>on lawn order, Yeah, two takes, So like what if

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<v Speaker 5>I get cast and then I go in there and

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<v Speaker 5>I can't do it in two takes?

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's scary for actors.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is your method to be able to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of deliver in the in these moments. Well, because you

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<v Speaker 2>delivered her You're out, you were crying, you were in

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<v Speaker 2>a the emotion was there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I was a Meisner actor, Like I

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<v Speaker 5>went to NYU and so it's like, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, that sounds funny.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like no, it's more that like that was what

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<v Speaker 5>I was doing every day in class. So like I

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<v Speaker 5>think I was just like in the in the world

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<v Speaker 5>of it, because like that was what Meisner acting is

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<v Speaker 5>is you have to like go and imagine deeply these

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<v Speaker 5>like horrific things that have happened to you, like every day.

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<v Speaker 5>So sorry that sounded so catty, but but what I

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<v Speaker 5>mean is just like I was doing it in class

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<v Speaker 5>every day.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so it was pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 1>You trained for this. You trained for this so well.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I was looking at your IMDb and like,

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<v Speaker 4>this seems like it was one of your first gigs,

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<v Speaker 4>although you were in a show for ten episodes called

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<v Speaker 4>Sex House, and I'd love to tell more about that,

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<v Speaker 4>but but like, were you feeling kind of like new,

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<v Speaker 4>like because you hadn't done like a ton of on

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<v Speaker 4>camera stuff yet, Like, were you like a little nervous

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<v Speaker 4>going into it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I didn't really definitely, it was definitely

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<v Speaker 5>like my first TV thing. And even after that, I

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<v Speaker 5>was on Younger and there was still things I was

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<v Speaker 5>learning about TV that I didn't really understand, like hitting

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<v Speaker 5>a mark, for example, and I thought it was sort

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<v Speaker 5>of like a loose you stand sort of right here,

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<v Speaker 5>because that's kind of how it is in theater. And

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<v Speaker 5>I did a lot of theater growing up and in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just but then I learned, like when I

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<v Speaker 5>was on Younger even later, that's no, the mark is

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<v Speaker 5>the mark.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, okay, because you've got to be in

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<v Speaker 6>focused on camera. Yeah I was, but I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't remember being nervous because I remember just really

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<v Speaker 5>wanting to be on the show and also knowing that,

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<v Speaker 5>like I don't know, it was like that I could

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<v Speaker 5>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was fine and you were prepared, you were ready.

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<v Speaker 6>I was ready, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says that Philip Seymour Hoffman on your

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<v Speaker 2>IMDb discovered you you're in a play with Tom Hardy, like,

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<v Speaker 2>well at the Goodman Theater, which is you know, very

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<v Speaker 2>well known.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell us about that, Well, yeah, this was it's so

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<v Speaker 5>funny now, I'm looking back on this like career retrospect.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like all my parts happened in like a very

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<v Speaker 5>similar way. Where again they were like looking for someone

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<v Speaker 5>who was the actual age. It was a play at

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<v Speaker 5>the Goodman and the girl was supposed to be fifteen,

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<v Speaker 5>I think or fourteen, and they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>actresses coming in who were trying to play that age,

1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:22.519
<v Speaker 5>and they said, we want someone who's actually that age.

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<v Speaker 5>So they reached out to my high school because I

1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:28.400
<v Speaker 5>was at the Arts high school and my teacher put

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<v Speaker 5>me up for it, and I went in and auditioned

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<v Speaker 5>for a Philip Seymour Hoffmann and the playwright Brett ce Leonard,

1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:40.120
<v Speaker 5>who's wonderful and apparently okay. So we got in like

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of like a tiff because Phili kept

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<v Speaker 5>saying to me, you're not listening, You're not listening, like

1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.400
<v Speaker 5>he was very into like listening on stage and just

1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:51.720
<v Speaker 5>like being in the moment listening reacting, and I was like,

1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:53.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what you're freaking talking about. I'm hearing

1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:57.000
<v Speaker 5>the words, I'm saying the lines, I am listening, and

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<v Speaker 5>he after I left, the playwright told me late he

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<v Speaker 5>was like, not her like not her, and I was like, okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So then what happened was I didn't hear anything for

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<v Speaker 6>like two weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I'm at my friend's house actually in Evanston,

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<v Speaker 5>and I get a phone call from my mom and

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<v Speaker 5>she's like, there's a voicemail. They want you to come

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<v Speaker 5>back in, Like it's the audition is this morning, Saturday,

1:17:19.760 --> 1:17:22.120
<v Speaker 5>ten am. Like they keep calling and they've left all

1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:24.679
<v Speaker 5>these voicemails to see if you're coming or not because

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<v Speaker 5>we just didn't like, look, the voicemail's on the landline, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And so I go back in and I audition and

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<v Speaker 5>it goes really really well, and I end up getting

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<v Speaker 5>the part.

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<v Speaker 6>And the playwright told me later that for that callback,

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<v Speaker 6>the casting director actually put my name back on the

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<v Speaker 6>list like at the bottom and the and Phil was like, no,

1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:49.439
<v Speaker 6>we've already seen this girl, like she's not we're not

1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:53.599
<v Speaker 6>doing this, and the casting director was like, just please

1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:56.519
<v Speaker 6>see her again. I really think she's the one for

1:17:56.560 --> 1:17:58.800
<v Speaker 6>this part, and he just like put my name on

1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:01.439
<v Speaker 6>the list anyway, and so they saw me again and

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<v Speaker 6>then I just remember that one going really well. Oh

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<v Speaker 6>I know why, because I decided when I went into

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<v Speaker 6>the audition. I was like, I'm whatever he says, I'm

1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:11.080
<v Speaker 6>just gonna agree with Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, so there you go. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>When I went back and I was like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>no I see the difference. Yeah, no, I definitely So

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<v Speaker 5>that was I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with this casting director.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. He was amazing. He like started my career. What's

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<v Speaker 6>his name, Adam God?

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<v Speaker 1>He was.

1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:33.480
<v Speaker 6>He was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm glad they're finally getting an oscar and getting recognized.

1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:40.360
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like casting's really been shunned aside in

1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:44.360
<v Speaker 2>terms of Adam Belcour. Okay, shout out to Adam Belcour.

1:18:44.640 --> 1:18:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Adam Belcour fighting for people.

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<v Speaker 5>It's quite literally, I don't know if the story is

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<v Speaker 5>true either. I'm full of like stories of maybe true.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what story? Did it run for?

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<v Speaker 6>It ran first, I think for six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your life like? Full high school?

1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:05.840
<v Speaker 2>And then we're and then you would run off a day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I would leave every day at three and I would

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<v Speaker 5>do like four or five hours of rehearsal, I think.

1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:12.760
<v Speaker 5>And then there were some days that I was there

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<v Speaker 5>all day from ten am onward, and it was amazing

1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:19.759
<v Speaker 5>to be in the room with Tom Hardy and Philip

1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:23.120
<v Speaker 5>Seymour Hoffman and watch them work together and the playwrights

1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:25.240
<v Speaker 5>and the whole team that was involved because it was

1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:27.920
<v Speaker 5>only five people in the play, so it was a

1:19:28.040 --> 1:19:31.320
<v Speaker 5>very intimate cast. And yeah, everyone's gone on to do

1:19:31.360 --> 1:19:34.479
<v Speaker 5>amazing things. And I remember Tom Hardy showing me a

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<v Speaker 5>book of He's like, this is a movie that I

1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:39.400
<v Speaker 5>just shot, like this is the press kit book and

1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:41.599
<v Speaker 5>it was for Inception the Crystal.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:45.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I didn't know that the time that was

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<v Speaker 5>going to be this like huge movie and I was like,

1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:49.920
<v Speaker 5>really cool, Tommy, And.

1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Then trying to tell you what it's about, You're like, cool,

1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:55.720
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Yeah, I still haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, but Tom Hardy is one of the top hot

1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:02.360
<v Speaker 2>people in the nation. Were I would say, so full

1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>movie star now. Yeah, And did you feel like you

1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:07.880
<v Speaker 2>were a teen where you were like this guy's hot.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I don't know.

1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:15.080
<v Speaker 5>I think because he played my dad in the play. Yeah,

1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:17.680
<v Speaker 5>I was like very as an actor. I was very

1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.760
<v Speaker 5>much in the space of trying to bond with him

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<v Speaker 5>in like a fatherly way.

1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.760
<v Speaker 6>And actually we did bond over rap music. We were

1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.599
<v Speaker 6>both very into rap music at the time. And he

1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:30.920
<v Speaker 6>made me a mixed CD which I still have, Oh

1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:35.720
<v Speaker 6>my God of British rap music. And I made him

1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:38.519
<v Speaker 6>a Little Wing CD mixed.

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<v Speaker 1>Seed wowing together.

1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:43.160
<v Speaker 6>Culture is coming together.

1:20:43.320 --> 1:20:45.000
<v Speaker 5>And there's like a great photo of us sitting on

1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:46.880
<v Speaker 5>a couch and I have one ear pod and he

1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:48.679
<v Speaker 5>has the other ear pod and we're for sure listening

1:20:48.720 --> 1:20:49.280
<v Speaker 5>to Little Wing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's cute.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow, maybe I can take it up.

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<v Speaker 1>You and Tom Hardy besties forever.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, now the email bounces if I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, are you still doing theater actively or is it not?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be on films?

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<v Speaker 6>I yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I I think I wasn't really interested in theater very

1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:17.200
<v Speaker 5>much when I moved to New York, which is crazy,

1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:21.120
<v Speaker 5>but only because I think as an actor, I'm the

1:21:21.120 --> 1:21:23.600
<v Speaker 5>type of person that digs very, very deep, and I

1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:26.639
<v Speaker 5>found it to be really hard to be digging really

1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:28.920
<v Speaker 5>deep for eight shows a week when they're paying you

1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:32.280
<v Speaker 5>three hundred dollars. And then also somebody's like, no, I

1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:35.320
<v Speaker 5>haven't seen it because it's theeter yeah, And I was like,

1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.400
<v Speaker 5>if I'm going to go this deep and work this hard,

1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.439
<v Speaker 5>I want people to see it. And appreciate it, and

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<v Speaker 5>so I just didn't feel that it was like worth.

1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:48.080
<v Speaker 5>I just I was exhausting for me to try to

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<v Speaker 5>do that. But I'd love to do theater now. I

1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:54.080
<v Speaker 5>don't know, but I'm actually filmmaking more now.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I want to ask you about that. I

1:21:56.439 --> 1:21:57.759
<v Speaker 1>was seeing on your IMDb.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got the Country Club, a fellow s v Alum,

1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.599
<v Speaker 4>James Romaniac, Friend of the Pod, and Elaine Hendrix from

1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Parent Trap, who I know we all stand.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you've made a New.

1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:13.080
<v Speaker 4>York story and then you with your sister in these

1:22:13.120 --> 1:22:16.360
<v Speaker 4>movies and right, and like, yeah, but you're in them

1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:18.880
<v Speaker 4>and you direct and write them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I mean it's all from the same place,

1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:26.559
<v Speaker 5>which is that I was really finding it hard to

1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:29.720
<v Speaker 5>dig deep for projects that were like horror films and

1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:32.479
<v Speaker 5>things that I you know, I felt like I was

1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:36.400
<v Speaker 5>just working so hard on stuff and then it was

1:22:36.840 --> 1:22:39.519
<v Speaker 5>sort of there's a lot of violence that was not

1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:42.439
<v Speaker 5>really thought through, and a lot of rape not really

1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:45.960
<v Speaker 5>thought through, like used as a plot device. So I

1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:48.800
<v Speaker 5>started writing with my sister because I just wanted more

1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:50.840
<v Speaker 5>control over like what I was going to be in

1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:52.679
<v Speaker 5>and then what I was going to truly like dig

1:22:52.720 --> 1:22:56.840
<v Speaker 5>deep for and so we started writing and producing, and

1:22:57.479 --> 1:23:00.439
<v Speaker 5>we just finished our third feature, which we did right,

1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:05.080
<v Speaker 5>but we helped produce, which is very exciting stars Dustin Hoffman,

1:23:05.240 --> 1:23:09.360
<v Speaker 5>Andre Holland, Alison Brie and Tom Sturage, and so that

1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:12.639
<v Speaker 5>is hopefully going to come out next year.

1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:16.400
<v Speaker 6>Write director Alex Black, and then.

1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:17.920
<v Speaker 1>We're also working tell us.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah it's called The Revisionist, okay. And then our fourth

1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:23.920
<v Speaker 6>feature is going to be a murder mystery. So we're

1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:27.880
<v Speaker 6>doing that now. Yeah, And I find that.

1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:29.640
<v Speaker 5>To be a lot more fulfilling because I just I

1:23:29.680 --> 1:23:33.120
<v Speaker 5>feel so creative. I still put myself in the projects.

1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:35.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm in the Dustin Hoffman movie as well, like I

1:23:35.880 --> 1:23:37.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, I do all of that, and we worked

1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:38.439
<v Speaker 5>with other amazing producers.

1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:41.479
<v Speaker 6>We're not the leads on that one. I don't know.

1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:44.280
<v Speaker 5>I just think like grabbing control of your own creativity

1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:46.600
<v Speaker 5>and your own work as an actor can be really fulfilling.

1:23:46.920 --> 1:23:50.280
<v Speaker 5>But also the industry has I'm so long winded, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>pause so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can no go ahead. You're being interesting.

1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not like a boring nightmare that we've you know,

1:23:58.560 --> 1:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>we don't edit around this.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I just going to say that since Lawn Order, right,

1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:07.240
<v Speaker 5>and since I decided I didn't want to audition for horror

1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:08.679
<v Speaker 5>movies where I was being raped, and I'm.

1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:09.360
<v Speaker 6>Like digging deep for that.

1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:13.719
<v Speaker 5>I the industry has changed so much, and I feel

1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:15.760
<v Speaker 5>like the actresses that are coming up now are so

1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:20.000
<v Speaker 5>freaking lucky because the character breakdowns. For me, when I

1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:23.400
<v Speaker 5>was eighteen nineteen going out for this stuff, every single

1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:24.519
<v Speaker 5>character is had hot.

1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:24.880
<v Speaker 6>At the front.

1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:27.839
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't matter if she was about to be like killed,

1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:30.479
<v Speaker 5>you know, run over by a truck. They're like, but hot.

1:24:31.120 --> 1:24:33.400
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, okay, and now that's not the case.

1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:38.600
<v Speaker 4>I see I don't forget hot, but she doesn't know it. Yes, exactly,

1:24:38.680 --> 1:24:41.360
<v Speaker 4>that's important. She can't know it, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, No, you're absolutely right.

1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:46.040
<v Speaker 5>I would always say that specifically because I would go

1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:47.680
<v Speaker 5>out for those I was never going out for, Like

1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:48.679
<v Speaker 5>she's a model.

1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:49.960
<v Speaker 6>I was going out for hot, but she.

1:24:49.920 --> 1:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Goes out for sure.

1:24:53.720 --> 1:24:55.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. So now it's almost like I went through this.

1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:59.160
<v Speaker 6>I started filmmaking and doing all this like doing extra,

1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:01.200
<v Speaker 6>you know, being real the extra, And now the industry

1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:03.120
<v Speaker 6>has changed, so I just waited it out.

1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're still in it. You could do anything. But yeah,

1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you're right.

1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Breakdowns now are definitely like open to all. That doesn't

1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>mean that that's how casting will go, but definitely the

1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>breakdowns are like we're open to anything and anything more conscious.

1:25:18.600 --> 1:25:21.639
<v Speaker 5>So they're like buy some more conscious, like yeah, body

1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:25.960
<v Speaker 5>type and looks and open ethnicity. I mean, just wasn't

1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:26.840
<v Speaker 5>like that back then.

1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and now it are just famous people's children, right,

1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:31.479
<v Speaker 4>I was got to say, And now it's like, how

1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:33.280
<v Speaker 4>many follows, followers do you have?

1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:34.479
<v Speaker 1>You can be in this movie?

1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:36.200
<v Speaker 6>Well, evil doesn't die.

1:25:36.800 --> 1:25:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so true. It takes on different forms. Yeah. Wow,

1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:44.679
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy.

1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Did you always work well with your sister? Was she

1:25:46.479 --> 1:25:48.800
<v Speaker 2>always artsy and went to the same high school as you.

1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:51.240
<v Speaker 5>She didn't go to the same high school, but she

1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:54.559
<v Speaker 5>was a ballerina and she studied in Germany at a

1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:56.520
<v Speaker 5>serious state ballet.

1:25:56.160 --> 1:25:57.080
<v Speaker 6>School in Germany.

1:25:57.240 --> 1:25:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1:25:57.680 --> 1:25:59.920
<v Speaker 5>And then she decided it was too hard on them

1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.920
<v Speaker 5>is a lot of ballerinas do. And she wanted to

1:26:02.920 --> 1:26:05.320
<v Speaker 5>get into acting, and I wanted to get into like

1:26:05.360 --> 1:26:07.920
<v Speaker 5>writing and directing. I mean I was like twenty four

1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:10.599
<v Speaker 5>when I decided that. And I called her and I said,

1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm making an LLC and I can either call it

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<v Speaker 5>X or I can call.

1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:20.840
<v Speaker 6>It Robert's Sisters. What do you think? And she's like sure, yeah, yeah.

1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.519
<v Speaker 6>So that's how we started our company.

1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:25.439
<v Speaker 5>And we made this like little movie, The Country Club,

1:26:25.479 --> 1:26:29.080
<v Speaker 5>which is like very fun and funny, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know John Higgins.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, so we loved John Higgins.

1:26:32.560 --> 1:26:35.880
<v Speaker 5>We got and he was amazing in it, and he's

1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:38.080
<v Speaker 5>so funny and it's so funny because I look back

1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:39.519
<v Speaker 5>on that movie and I just like, wish it was

1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:41.839
<v Speaker 5>like slightly better made.

1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:45.040
<v Speaker 6>But that's my fault. No, I'm not. I have twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually just started watching what's his name Wes Anderson

1:26:49.439 --> 1:26:51.519
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. It's like a fifty five minute video of

1:26:51.560 --> 1:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>him going through all his projects.

1:26:52.960 --> 1:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's like doing press for something new.

1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:57.439
<v Speaker 2>And I started it last night and it's him talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Bottle Rocket and he's like, yeah, it wasn't that good,

1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>but this and that and this sucked, and that didn't

1:27:02.320 --> 1:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>work out and this and it's you know, then you

1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:05.679
<v Speaker 2>make more.

1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I watched Bottle Rockets seventy five times in college. My

1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>favorite movie.

1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:10.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I used to love that.

1:27:10.080 --> 1:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>I love it sucked and how.

1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>This I'm like, didn't suck for me? When I was

1:27:14.840 --> 1:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, he.

1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Said, like, first day making it, they kept and he goes,

1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and then the scene started working in the takes, so

1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:21.320
<v Speaker 2>we were figuring stuff out.

1:27:21.479 --> 1:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>So it is, you know, a process.

1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:26.760
<v Speaker 5>But I'm very proud of our second movie, A New

1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.960
<v Speaker 5>York Story, which it's so funny, is a gentler look

1:27:30.000 --> 1:27:33.639
<v Speaker 5>at class because it's about a woman from the Upper

1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:35.400
<v Speaker 5>East Side and she falls in love with the street

1:27:35.400 --> 1:27:39.280
<v Speaker 5>photographer who's like from green Point and it's a very

1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.000
<v Speaker 5>simp like it's it has parallels to this Law and

1:27:42.160 --> 1:27:45.280
<v Speaker 5>Order episode, the sort of romance from one side of

1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:50.120
<v Speaker 5>the tracks or whatever. But yeah, that's our second movie.

1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:53.400
<v Speaker 5>And I that one premiered at Bentonville in Arkansas, which

1:27:53.400 --> 1:27:57.320
<v Speaker 5>is Geina Davis's film festival, and so it's a vertical

1:27:57.360 --> 1:28:00.479
<v Speaker 5>and that one's on Apple TV, and so I think

1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:03.479
<v Speaker 5>that's like a better example of my filmmaking work.

1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:07.840
<v Speaker 4>But it's really like impressive that at twenty four you

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<v Speaker 4>were just like I'm in a storm making movies, Like

1:28:10.000 --> 1:28:12.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't think a lot of people would think that

1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:15.000
<v Speaker 4>they could do that or would know how to do that.

1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:17.760
<v Speaker 1>That's really impressive, Like thank you.

1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:21.679
<v Speaker 5>Well. It actually coincided with I think Trump's first election,

1:28:21.840 --> 1:28:24.599
<v Speaker 5>and I remember I literally remember having the thought, if

1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.360
<v Speaker 5>that man can be the president of the United States,

1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.719
<v Speaker 5>I think I can make a movie. It was like, yeah,

1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:35.240
<v Speaker 5>all the walls came crashing down of idealizing men and

1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:37.640
<v Speaker 5>thinking that like them being in positions of power was

1:28:37.720 --> 1:28:38.800
<v Speaker 5>like the right thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was just like, oh no, like I can

1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.800
<v Speaker 6>do this. So I couldn't, but I.

1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Thought like, no, you can.

1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>The still all looks so good, like all these photos.

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<v Speaker 2>So are your parents artsy?

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<v Speaker 6>My parents are both union psychologists. Okay, wish I was enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Of ungian psychologists.

1:29:03.240 --> 1:29:08.160
<v Speaker 5>And my mom is a professional astrologer, so like me

1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:10.160
<v Speaker 5>more la.

1:29:11.040 --> 1:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah wait, that's hilarious.

1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Like your sister went to ballet, you were at an

1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:21.240
<v Speaker 2>arts high school, Tonight's I mean these psychologists were supportive.

1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:23.679
<v Speaker 5>That Young is all about finding your own path, and

1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:28.519
<v Speaker 5>he's also about you know, imagery and like the hero's journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Young psychologists. Yeah yeah, young Young Union like the unions.

1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Unions they're on the picket line, like they're helping people

1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>in unions get through their problems.

1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes more sense.

1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.280
<v Speaker 6>Maybe I got it.

1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No, they're both psychologists and they're young young psychologists.

1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Wait but did they meet in psychology? She's school like, well,

1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:56.679
<v Speaker 2>so they both.

1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:57.599
<v Speaker 6>Of one met it Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so what okay? Would you guys talk about young

1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>growing up all the time?

1:30:03.479 --> 1:30:06.400
<v Speaker 5>Like all the time, every and every dream I had,

1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:09.440
<v Speaker 5>my dad was like, let's talk about that, like what

1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.200
<v Speaker 5>what does it mean that you're standing in the cornfields

1:30:12.439 --> 1:30:15.160
<v Speaker 5>like this and that? And so my family was always

1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:19.200
<v Speaker 5>very like image based because young young is all about dreams,

1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:22.240
<v Speaker 5>So the image of in the dream is very important

1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:24.840
<v Speaker 5>and what you and so for me, I think that's

1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:27.880
<v Speaker 5>transferred into filmmaking that I'm all about the image of

1:30:27.960 --> 1:30:31.760
<v Speaker 5>like not you know, what are we conveying from the

1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:35.480
<v Speaker 5>conscious collective, which is Young's like big thing, the zeitgeist,

1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:38.600
<v Speaker 5>the conscious collective? What are you conveying through the image composition?

1:30:38.640 --> 1:30:40.960
<v Speaker 5>It's very right in a lot of ways.

1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:43.360
<v Speaker 6>I think filmmaking and writing is like a better pursuit

1:30:43.360 --> 1:30:46.599
<v Speaker 6>for me maybe than acting because I have a large

1:30:46.800 --> 1:30:50.840
<v Speaker 6>understanding depth and understanding of archetypes and like image and

1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:52.920
<v Speaker 6>all that so from my parents.

1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:56.080
<v Speaker 2>But wow, is there anything you've learned about like being

1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>on the sets and doing all this that informs your

1:30:59.720 --> 1:31:03.519
<v Speaker 2>film making or like when you're directing on set, or

1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>like a way you felt where you're like, oh, I'm

1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:06.559
<v Speaker 2>going to make sure to do this or I don't

1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:08.320
<v Speaker 2>want to do this when I'm in charge.

1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>If you have the actor's perspective so much.

1:31:11.520 --> 1:31:13.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, it there, it has.

1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:18.120
<v Speaker 5>But it's hard to think of one thing because I

1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:22.040
<v Speaker 5>definitely still when I'm working with actors, I think about

1:31:22.040 --> 1:31:24.599
<v Speaker 5>like what would Phil do? He was definitely my biggest

1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:28.400
<v Speaker 5>directing mentor because he's the director I actually spend the

1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:31.040
<v Speaker 5>most time in the room with. I think our phearsal

1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:33.639
<v Speaker 5>process was like four weeks or five weeks every day,

1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:39.439
<v Speaker 5>and so I mean, you know, his his process that

1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:45.240
<v Speaker 5>I think is really important is being like extremely prepared

1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:49.040
<v Speaker 5>and ready. So I get frustrated when like actors on

1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:51.280
<v Speaker 5>other lines, like I will admit to that, I'm like,

1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.160
<v Speaker 5>it was your one job. And I remember how angry

1:31:55.200 --> 1:31:57.519
<v Speaker 5>Phil would get at like Tammy if he just like

1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:00.000
<v Speaker 5>didn't do something that was like written on the page

1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:04.760
<v Speaker 5>or whatever. But also his he used to say like

1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:09.200
<v Speaker 5>you have to go further. You have it here, and

1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:14.080
<v Speaker 5>now what's after that, what's under that? And constantly trying

1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:17.840
<v Speaker 5>to get that feeling in your stomach of like what

1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:20.639
<v Speaker 5>it is that you're truly going through. But of course

1:32:20.680 --> 1:32:24.000
<v Speaker 5>that's like more deep things. And I actually think film

1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:25.960
<v Speaker 5>directing is a little bit different than theater directing. So

1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:29.880
<v Speaker 5>now I'm a little bit more loose with words and

1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:34.160
<v Speaker 5>improvisation on film. I think that for some reason, on camera,

1:32:35.200 --> 1:32:37.680
<v Speaker 5>the camera loves those moments. And so that's been a

1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:39.439
<v Speaker 5>lesson that I've learned. I used to be more of

1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:41.960
<v Speaker 5>a stickler for like what I had written and what

1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:45.920
<v Speaker 5>I wrote, and now I'm like, actually, the camera loves

1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:49.200
<v Speaker 5>to see the moments of improvisation, So I just I

1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:50.640
<v Speaker 5>take things from.

1:32:50.920 --> 1:32:52.560
<v Speaker 6>You know, lots of different experiences.

1:32:52.760 --> 1:32:55.280
<v Speaker 5>And then because that's something that like dust And Offen

1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:57.439
<v Speaker 5>was saying, you know, he was like when we were

1:32:57.479 --> 1:32:59.880
<v Speaker 5>on set with him, he was saying, if you see

1:32:59.880 --> 1:33:03.120
<v Speaker 5>a director and they're standing at the monitor and they're

1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:07.800
<v Speaker 5>mouthing every word, don't work with them, because he was like,

1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:09.840
<v Speaker 5>they just want to see their words on screen. They

1:33:09.880 --> 1:33:11.960
<v Speaker 5>don't want to see like you know, you need to

1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:13.200
<v Speaker 5>have a live performance.

1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:14.720
<v Speaker 6>And so then I was like, oh no, like one

1:33:14.720 --> 1:33:15.520
<v Speaker 6>of those directors.

1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:16.639
<v Speaker 1>So then I.

1:33:16.600 --> 1:33:18.000
<v Speaker 6>Felt like that was a big learning moment.

1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:19.880
<v Speaker 5>So I'm still learning and just getting to work with

1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:21.880
<v Speaker 5>great actors and great directors.

1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:23.479
<v Speaker 6>You continue to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just hit me that, like you directed Dustin Hoffman. No, no,

1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I helped produce produce.

1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:35.759
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I was with him. Yeah.

1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Did you have any other like s vu, any interactions

1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:43.120
<v Speaker 4>with the cast besides I know you said Marushka was

1:33:43.120 --> 1:33:44.520
<v Speaker 4>really supportive and complimentary.

1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Iced tea, Uh.

1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Maloney was gone by that key or about like the

1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>makeup and hair team because you had to do a

1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>lot that you know, you got bruises, you had a lot.

1:33:54.720 --> 1:33:59.040
<v Speaker 5>Of Oh yeah, oh yeah, I so iced tea. I

1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:05.679
<v Speaker 5>was eating ice cream underneath the underneath the interrogation table,

1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:08.439
<v Speaker 5>like during a scene. He kept like at when they

1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:10.920
<v Speaker 5>would cut, he would like the bite of ice cream.

1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:13.439
<v Speaker 5>It was the last episode of the season. I think

1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:16.400
<v Speaker 5>that they were shooting, so they were doing sort of

1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:19.960
<v Speaker 5>like a big celebratory Christmas thing. I'm pretty sure mrsh

1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:22.320
<v Speaker 5>got like pink berry for everybody and there was like

1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:27.400
<v Speaker 5>a full hog on the craft table. The budget the

1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:29.960
<v Speaker 5>budget was like out of control for the food. Which

1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:32.600
<v Speaker 5>now was a filmmaker, I'm I can appreciate him that

1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.200
<v Speaker 5>was called but in terms.

1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:35.880
<v Speaker 6>Of makeup and hair team.

1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:39.400
<v Speaker 5>I do have one funny story, which was that when

1:34:39.439 --> 1:34:43.240
<v Speaker 5>I went in, they like dusted my face with powder basically,

1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:45.040
<v Speaker 5>and then they were like, Okay, you're good to go.

1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:48.960
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, what, Like, I'm gonna be on TV.

1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:51.360
<v Speaker 5>For the first time and you're not gonna make me

1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.639
<v Speaker 5>look pretty? And they were like, well, the director doesn't

1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:57.240
<v Speaker 5>think that, like she should look very good because she's

1:34:57.280 --> 1:34:59.320
<v Speaker 5>about to jump off the building or you know.

1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:02.720
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, oh right, okay.

1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:05.160
<v Speaker 5>And so I like left the trailer and I'm look

1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:07.320
<v Speaker 5>looking at my face and I'm like, okay, it's just

1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:08.439
<v Speaker 5>I'm going in bare face.

1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:12.000
<v Speaker 6>And I had this chapstick that was like slightly tinted,

1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:15.320
<v Speaker 6>so I was like, what if I just put this

1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:16.599
<v Speaker 6>like chapstick on my lips?

1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:18.960
<v Speaker 5>And so I did, and then we had to do

1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:21.320
<v Speaker 5>like a photo shoot pictures of me and Manny that

1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:23.000
<v Speaker 5>they were going to use in the background I think

1:35:23.080 --> 1:35:25.519
<v Speaker 5>are on social media or something. So we do the

1:35:25.520 --> 1:35:28.439
<v Speaker 5>photo shoot and then the ad I think comes out.

1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:31.080
<v Speaker 5>She's like are you wearing lipstick? And I was like what,

1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:37.360
<v Speaker 5>no o? And they were like I was like, oh,

1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:39.839
<v Speaker 5>I do have this chapstick that's tinted.

1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:41.639
<v Speaker 6>I guess I shouldn't put that on.

1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:43.599
<v Speaker 5>And they were like no, please, like we're gonna take

1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:44.920
<v Speaker 5>that off and like redo it.

1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:49.000
<v Speaker 6>And I was like okay, So yeah, I don't know.

1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:51.080
<v Speaker 6>I was like vain. I think I was like eighteen

1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:52.360
<v Speaker 6>or nineteen, so whatever.

1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Now I feel yeah, no, but also what attention to

1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>detail that they noticed the tint the light tent.

1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.840
<v Speaker 6>Good for them, absolutely, jeez.

1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I love him eating ice cream underneath the table.

1:36:03.680 --> 1:36:06.240
<v Speaker 5>I know I friends that they were like ice team

1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:09.160
<v Speaker 5>or like ice cream he was.

1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>He was in Times Square yesterday. I got a lot

1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:14.720
<v Speaker 2>of people sending me scoopy really. Yeah.

1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.479
<v Speaker 1>He was doing Raising Canes press promo.

1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:21.120
<v Speaker 4>Of course that's his second most important venture, I think,

1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:21.880
<v Speaker 4>behind us v you.

1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:24.679
<v Speaker 2>But I have friends that work at Nickelodeon, so it's

1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:27.040
<v Speaker 2>in Times Square, so they're like they just saw him

1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:27.719
<v Speaker 2>on the way to work.

1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:32.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, oh Fiona, thank you so much for

1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:33.479
<v Speaker 4>taking the time.

1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>This was.

1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:43.599
<v Speaker 4>Damn so young, so accomplished and driven. Another good review

1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:48.240
<v Speaker 4>from Ted. He liked Fiona. Oh yeah, oh yeah, but

1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.840
<v Speaker 4>he goes, how do how do I come up?

1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I go, I bring you up to anyone that went

1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:55.519
<v Speaker 2>to NYO or like has acted in New York.

1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I go, I'm pushing you. I'm pushing the attenda.

1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Sorry dead, but you're like, you're not actually just like

1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.120
<v Speaker 4>organically coming up through the person.

1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:09.599
<v Speaker 1>It's Lisa mostly is bringing you up. But uh yeah, sorry,

1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:10.679
<v Speaker 1>if you can hear my kids.

1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.120
<v Speaker 4>By the way, guys, they are fighting outside the door

1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:14.040
<v Speaker 4>of where I'm recording.

1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm on, I'm traveling.

1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Uh but post mortem on this episode, God, I don't know.

1:37:20.720 --> 1:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like, don't these date people in gangs? Say that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that politically correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you should date someone in a gang

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<v Speaker 2>if you could get out of the gang, get out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the gang.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is is that this kid was like smart

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<v Speaker 4>and I think really did love her at some point,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, at some point before he got fully like

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<v Speaker 4>roped into the crime. But he like they get you

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<v Speaker 4>at every angle. They're like, we're gonna kill your grandma,

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna kill this person, We're gonna you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>you you you lose any control, they find a way

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<v Speaker 4>to get to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so everyone's dead. Oh my god, it's so intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's uh, but she keeps saying about him,

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<v Speaker 2>even when even at the end it's just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he loved me more than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know this, Yeah, this is stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What was his option, like to take his grandmother and

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<v Speaker 1>go hide? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's uh yeah, gang stuff always feels I mean, it

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<v Speaker 4>feel it's like mafia. It's like it's organized crime. You know,

1:38:20.120 --> 1:38:24.840
<v Speaker 4>it's uh, it's a network. It's not just like one perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like fully a community. But then I understand why

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of circumstances lead people to believe that they're

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<v Speaker 4>protected and they're being treated well in these in these groups.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I just hate when this show makes me

1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:39.479
<v Speaker 2>feel opposite of how I feel, because I'm like, just

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your father.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't no good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I mean yeah, because the parents were

1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:47.920
<v Speaker 4>probably just like being racist, and then they were like,

1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:50.120
<v Speaker 4>oh no, we were right, they were right in this case.

1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:54.040
<v Speaker 4>In this case, they were right, but god damn. And

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<v Speaker 4>then the real story was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Only date within your class. That's the only way of

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<v Speaker 1>that where.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you have to just within your class, you know us,

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<v Speaker 4>That's how we feel.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of our friends was wearing a shirt she got

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<v Speaker 2>for ninety eight dollars, but it was a four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars shirt, and like it looked so expensive and so

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable in chic, like Gwyneth Paltry would wear this shirt

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a casual shirt, not a dressed up shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this is the wealthy. This is why

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<v Speaker 2>we can't even they know what they could see right

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<v Speaker 2>through us, Like we can't even pretend this shirt just

1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>like I couldn't believe how nice it looked, button down silk.

1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>I go, wow, It's like it's just a different vibe

1:39:36.160 --> 1:39:38.679
<v Speaker 2>and energy. So when I do those rich people shows

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<v Speaker 2>at the private clubs, I'm like, it's just kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your outfit costs thousands.

1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like when Taylor Swift they do her outfit breakdowns,

1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and even without the jewelry, just like skirt, shirt, shoes, purse,

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<v Speaker 2>it's usually around six thousand dollars if not more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with two pieces usually still being affordable.

1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which it's crazy because usually the purses are like

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the five figures, you know, like ten

1:40:04.479 --> 1:40:05.880
<v Speaker 4>thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, No, I mean you're right, I'm even under selling it.

1:40:09.479 --> 1:40:12.679
<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, you know, and that's that's upper twenty five thousand,

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<v Speaker 4>the shades twenty five thousand. You know, that's a yeah,

1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:18.000
<v Speaker 4>housewatch reference for the people that can't see me. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>holding I'm looking at my glasses and saying twenty five thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>I am staying close by to some pizza place or

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<v Speaker 4>Italian place that apparently Taylor Swift goes to all the

1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:31.000
<v Speaker 4>time in Brooklyn called Lukali.

1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was one of the first times they

1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:38.040
<v Speaker 2>went to dinner in oh Okay. It's like apparently, let

1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:40.000
<v Speaker 2>me look haf to get in there because she goes

1:40:40.040 --> 1:40:42.599
<v Speaker 2>there and all these like famous people go there. Yeah,

1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:44.800
<v Speaker 2>this was like one of the first dinners. This was

1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:47.439
<v Speaker 2>like exciting sheer sheer outfit.

1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh but her and Travis were first dating. You mean yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I really think so. Let me just double check the

1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:57.639
<v Speaker 4>date on the article. Yeah, September seven, twenty twenty four.

1:40:58.120 --> 1:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I only know it from like the paparazzi photos. Wow,

1:41:03.800 --> 1:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Blake Lively and what's her face? All of that kind

1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of is done right.

1:41:08.400 --> 1:41:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Done out of the zeitgeist of oh you mean her

1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:13.879
<v Speaker 4>and the all it ends with us drama.

1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it's done, everything's been dismissed.

1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Diddy, I honestly Idaho Diddy, what do

1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.160
<v Speaker 2>we save it for next week?

1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:24.479
<v Speaker 4>I mean at this point, like this is sorry, Like listen,

1:41:24.560 --> 1:41:27.559
<v Speaker 4>it's summer, we're traveling. It's like we are in the time, Massie.

1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:29.840
<v Speaker 4>I've never taken a day off and not to be

1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Marian missed an episode. We've never replayed an episode, we've

1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:35.160
<v Speaker 4>never done a re release. So by the time this

1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:37.519
<v Speaker 4>comes out, we will know the Diddy verdict, like they're

1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:39.519
<v Speaker 4>already deciding right now.

1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:43.160
<v Speaker 2>They decided he was found not guilty on the most

1:41:43.200 --> 1:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>serious charges, and he was found guilty on two of

1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the charges. So it's basically like he paid for the

1:41:48.040 --> 1:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>sex trafficking, but he didn't facilitated or something like that.

1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:54.080
<v Speaker 2>And in the comments as of yesterday there was they

1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>were they were still deadlock on one charge.

1:41:56.200 --> 1:42:01.120
<v Speaker 4>So I didn't know that it was out. Oh oh wow, okay, sorry.

1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe I'm right. Yeah, found guilty on processutequited of.

1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:07.639
<v Speaker 4>Sex trafficking and racketeering, the biggest one because that would

1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:10.840
<v Speaker 4>have been a minimum of fifteen And so this is

1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:14.320
<v Speaker 4>all from an hour ago. You knew this, You knew

1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:18.000
<v Speaker 4>this very fresh. Yeah, I've been I don't know. I'm damn,

1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:21.320
<v Speaker 4>I've been on it. Yeah, he's gonna get fresh for us.

1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:24.559
<v Speaker 4>But you guys will have heard this eight weeks later. Yeah,

1:42:24.600 --> 1:42:26.479
<v Speaker 4>but you're kind of listening in real time to people,

1:42:27.560 --> 1:42:30.080
<v Speaker 4>you know. I just am reading this. This is like,

1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:32.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm so shocked. I thought it was like the way

1:42:32.880 --> 1:42:34.840
<v Speaker 4>that the news was making it sound was like the

1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:38.720
<v Speaker 4>testimony is harrowing. He's gone great during the course of

1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:40.360
<v Speaker 4>this trat, like he's going to go to jail.

1:42:40.479 --> 1:42:42.839
<v Speaker 2>They're hoping still for four to five years in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope he goes to prison, Like, yeah, I

1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:48.320
<v Speaker 2>don't do I wish she sat there for twenty years. Sure,

1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Like do I believe he is a sex trafficker and

1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:54.800
<v Speaker 2>crime like leader?

1:42:54.840 --> 1:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I do, Sorry, I do that.

1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Also, the video of him beating the shit out of cats,

1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:00.639
<v Speaker 2>like all of it is so fucked up. He also

1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>paid Cassie fifty million dollars like he is guilty of

1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:04.519
<v Speaker 2>awful crimes.

1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:06.920
<v Speaker 1>He tried to flee on a jet like fuck you.

1:43:07.479 --> 1:43:09.479
<v Speaker 2>But if he gets four to five years, it'll be

1:43:09.560 --> 1:43:13.519
<v Speaker 2>some sort of justice, some sort But if they don't,

1:43:14.200 --> 1:43:16.639
<v Speaker 2>the defense attorneys are trying to fight for two years,

1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:18.559
<v Speaker 2>so he'll at least go to jail.

1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there's like a charge of get that he

1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:24.640
<v Speaker 4>assaulted one of his victims while he knew he was

1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:29.200
<v Speaker 4>under investigation. Like wow, okay, oh boy, there's too much

1:43:29.640 --> 1:43:31.400
<v Speaker 4>and they're going to take out the time that he

1:43:31.439 --> 1:43:38.080
<v Speaker 4>already served pre verdict. But yeah, crazy, All right, let's

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<v Speaker 4>let's get to what would Sister Peg Do?

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<v Speaker 1>This week?

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<v Speaker 4>For What Would Sister Peg Do, which you know is

1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:46.439
<v Speaker 4>our weekly segment where we direct you towards an article,

1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:49.080
<v Speaker 4>a documentary, an organization, something to give you more info

1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:52.920
<v Speaker 4>about what we talked about today. This week for WWSPD,

1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:55.920
<v Speaker 4>we wanted to point you to Homeboy Industries. They are

1:43:55.960 --> 1:43:59.160
<v Speaker 4>an organization that provides training and support to formerly gang

1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:03.080
<v Speaker 4>involved in pre incarcerated people, allowing them to redirect their

1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:06.360
<v Speaker 4>lives and become contributing members of our community. Founded by

1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:09.640
<v Speaker 4>father Greg Boyle, it is the world's largest gang intervention

1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:14.599
<v Speaker 4>and rehabilitation program. We also do stuff with them in KASA.

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<v Speaker 4>I've always heard the greatest things about Homeboys Homeboy Industries,

1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:21.840
<v Speaker 4>so definitely get more info and donate, and you can

1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:25.160
<v Speaker 4>do that over at Homeboy Industries dot org. That will

1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:27.320
<v Speaker 4>be linked in our show notes and as always, in

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<v Speaker 4>a story that comes out the day this episode is

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<v Speaker 4>released on our Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>That's messed up pod. Yeah, get on over there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And next week there's another one. Trick rolled at the Mulan.

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<v Speaker 2>I said Mulan like the cartoon princess, not like the

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<v Speaker 2>Mulan Rouge.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say them this time? I think you say

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<v Speaker 1>the same way.

1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, I saw it as Mulan. Yeah, I would say Mulan, Mulan. Yeah,

1:44:54.960 --> 1:44:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I would say Mulan rouge, yeah, m yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, next week sure, And I'm sorry I signed

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<v Speaker 2>so hard. It is what it is. But I'm just

1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:07.560
<v Speaker 2>thinking about everything, Okay. Trick at the Mulin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh No.

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<v Speaker 2>Season twenty two, episode thirteen. Get with it guys and see.

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<v Speaker 1>Us live in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's fourteen, August fourteenth at the Bellhouse. We're so

1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:28.439
<v Speaker 4>excited to see you guys live. We'll see you next

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<v Speaker 4>week for another episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye e.

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<v Speaker 3>Dun dun