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Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger and we're coming
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Speaker 2: here with the background of murder and sexual crimes, and
Speaker 2: life's been so hectic and wild.
Speaker 1: We're in the.
Speaker 2: Time machine, I'm, you know, traveling around. But obviously we're
Speaker 2: very happy for mom Donnie's win. And also I I
Speaker 2: do feel really naive. I didn't expect the racism to
Speaker 2: get so crazy, but like, of course no, I.
Speaker 1: I for sure.
Speaker 2: But so the next day I got on my phone,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I don't it was.
Speaker 2: It's really fucked up. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: he won, So get behind him. What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Get behind him?
Speaker 2: All these money democrats going against him, the president talking
Speaker 2: about deporting him at like and taking away his citizenship,
Speaker 2: and everyone thought I was crazy when I started being like,
Speaker 2: well my passports is born in Ukraine, I'm traveling, I'm nervous,
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, shut up, that's not real.
Speaker 4: You're a citizen. And it's like literally to arrest him.
Speaker 4: He didn't even just stay deported. He's like arrest him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like he's he's a he didn't show up to the field.
Speaker 4: I mean, he is scum. There's no depths to the scumminess.
Speaker 4: So I'm never shocked by his behavior. But like the
Speaker 4: Party of the People, Deborah Messing, are you unhinged, bitch?
Speaker 4: Oh well, a lot of a lot of Jews are
Speaker 4: having a problem with him. Yeah, because the race, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, at the end of the day, all the stuff
Speaker 2: that they're saying he said, he has not said.
Speaker 1: He does not say those things.
Speaker 4: A Jewish friend of mine was like, well he did
Speaker 4: this in this and also his mom tried to get
Speaker 4: Galgadot banned from the OSCARS, and I went, I wrote
Speaker 4: back and go, I don't think we should judge anybody based.
Speaker 1: On their mom. I mean, my parents vote for Trump,
Speaker 1: you know, like I can't.
Speaker 4: I don't think we could judge people based on what
Speaker 4: their parents, Do you know what I mean? But also yeah,
Speaker 4: it's I've heard him say plenty of things that make
Speaker 4: me feel like he's a great, a great canidate, but
Speaker 4: he does not.
Speaker 1: H I I am a Jew in New York. What
Speaker 1: are we talking?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I would rather get a free bus.
Speaker 2: And I also like what he said on one of
Speaker 2: the late night shows where it's like, I guess Mayor
Speaker 2: Koch said this back in the day, but of like,
Speaker 2: if you agree with me on nine.
Speaker 1: Out of twelve issues, you should vote for me.
Speaker 2: If you believe if you agree with me on twelve
Speaker 2: out of twelve, you should get a psychiological exam. Like
Speaker 2: you don't have to agree with everything someone does. But
Speaker 2: today it's the problem the sex pest fucking freaks. Eric
Speaker 2: Adams is a criminal. He's bought up for by the
Speaker 2: fascist government. Like what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 4: And that's I think this is where like we as liberals,
Speaker 4: as democrats are going to have problems because people want
Speaker 4: perfect candidates. They want someone they agree with, they want
Speaker 4: someone they agree with ninety perfect.
Speaker 1: They're fine with him, Oh I know, but I.
Speaker 4: Mean and like it's like exactly what you're saying, though,
Speaker 4: if you agree with me on nine out of twelve issues,
Speaker 4: that then you should we should be able to work
Speaker 4: together and move forward and see you hed to head.
Speaker 1: Day to day.
Speaker 4: When you talk to someone it's like, well, but they
Speaker 4: said that one thing. Oh, but they did a thing
Speaker 4: when they were in college. It's like, I don't care,
Speaker 4: Like we gotta like start seeing coming to some common
Speaker 4: groundy or we're never gonna surely when you're okay with
Speaker 4: sexual abusing. But Cuomo should have been a non starter.
Speaker 4: I was talking to a friend who's not into mom
Speaker 4: Donnie because she thinks that socialists.
Speaker 1: Just make a lot of noise. That's her only reason.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, She's like she doesn't think
Speaker 4: that they get anything done. That he's young and he's
Speaker 4: not gonna do anything. Okay, I go, what's your option?
Speaker 4: You're gonnavote for Curtis Sleewa. Come on, Like someone was
Speaker 4: telling me that Cuamo was gonna try to get it
Speaker 4: back on the ballot. Yes, the name of rich men
Speaker 4: can ever just quit. They wait for their second chance.
Speaker 4: But I want to fourth, fifth, seventh chance.
Speaker 2: To American Jews, I mean, did I write a bunch
Speaker 2: of comments and delete them? Off Deborah Messing his page.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: The people that tried to burn down Jake Shapiro's house,
Speaker 2: white supremacist. The people that are shooting the Tree of
Speaker 2: Life Synagogue terrorist attack, shooting that was a white supremacist.
Speaker 2: The people that are the biggest danger, the fucking dude
Speaker 2: that shot up Jews when I was a kid, that
Speaker 2: was a white supremacist. If we are talking about safety
Speaker 2: of Jewish people, the biggest threat is white supremacy. It
Speaker 2: is never what these brown people that you're fucking scared of. Ever,
Speaker 2: it just hasn't been. Yeah, and I I love that mom, Donnie.
Speaker 2: When they kept bringing up Israel, was just like, I
Speaker 2: live in New York. I'm not going anywhere. I'm here
Speaker 2: to work for New York. Like, how is this even
Speaker 2: a discussion for a New York City mayoral race?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also anyone that's not.
Speaker 2: Living here we're voting, Like I hate when they're like
Speaker 2: the cesspol these blues, then get the fuck out. Why
Speaker 2: are you mind your business? We don't want you here,
Speaker 2: we don't want I don't know, it's just like crazy,
Speaker 2: it's really upsetting.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I was also I'm at a
Speaker 1: Bernie girl.
Speaker 2: You know, I was like Hillary all the way, but
Speaker 2: I now like understand what they felt, because it's like,
Speaker 2: when the majority of people are excited about a candidate,
Speaker 2: how dare the party go against that?
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's what someone said that I liked.
Speaker 2: I wish I'm that Democrats fought against fascists and Republicans
Speaker 2: as hard as they do against progressive Democrats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god. And honestly, I grew up listening to.
Speaker 1: Letting the Big Bill gone like.
Speaker 4: Fuck all of you, fuck you I listened to. I
Speaker 4: grew up listening to Curtis Leewall on the radio.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what is you mentioned is? I
Speaker 1: have no idea. He's the Republican mayoral oh got it, nominee.
Speaker 4: And he was on AM radio that I listened to
Speaker 4: with my Republican dad my whole fucking life.
Speaker 1: And I cannot believe that he's running for mayor of
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 2: So the comptroller, who is Jewish, gets fucking knocked down
Speaker 2: by ice, brought to his knees, carried out, who stood
Speaker 2: up for him?
Speaker 1: Who stood up for him? Who did he endorse?
Speaker 2: You know, that's Jewish mayoral Canada endorse Mom Donnie and
Speaker 2: listening to Hey Benson, why don't you talk to your friend?
Speaker 2: Why don't you get your friends sorted?
Speaker 4: This is this is us telling you that we are
Speaker 4: going to do those episodes, but we're not going to
Speaker 4: have We're not going to have Debra Messing on the pod.
Speaker 4: She's not going to be on it. Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 4: to raise my voice. I'm sorry, it's okay. I just
Speaker 4: found out yesterday. I don't know if I told you this,
Speaker 4: but like, I was on this committee at my daughter's
Speaker 4: school last year. It's called a school site council. It's
Speaker 4: how you decide where the Title I funds go in
Speaker 4: your school. I attended meetings constantly about where we're going
Speaker 4: to do with this money. I was the fucking secretary.
Speaker 4: I had to take notes, type up my notes, submit
Speaker 4: my note my minutes, have them approved, have them voted on,
Speaker 4: make corrections. All of the money that we spent the
Speaker 4: entire year working on allocating Trump is now holding It's
Speaker 4: already been pre approved allocated to these schools. He's now
Speaker 4: holding it. Six billion dollars in Department of Education money.
Speaker 4: It's not going to go to my kid's school. It's
Speaker 4: gonna go to ice. It's gonna go to ice. Sick
Speaker 4: speaking of Trump. Uh oh, so I wake up today.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're in the time of shee and I apologize
Speaker 2: if this is a disillusionment to you in our lives.
Speaker 2: But it is July second, Okay, the timing is important. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to fly to Australia July fifth.
Speaker 1: I wake up this morning.
Speaker 2: I have a little le s vie still to do
Speaker 2: before we meet up, but I'm going to soul Cycle.
Speaker 2: On my way to soul Cycle, get a call from
Speaker 2: my manager the Australian government.
Speaker 1: The visa that I've submitted is not enough.
Speaker 2: I need to go to a local police precinct, give
Speaker 2: my fingerprints and get a document. It's called like to
Speaker 2: make sure I have a clean record, like to prove
Speaker 2: I'm not a criminal. You give them your information and
Speaker 2: they do a background check and they give you like
Speaker 2: a non criminal letter of consent that you're not a
Speaker 2: I don't know, I keep repeating, I don't know what
Speaker 2: this bureaucracy bullshit is. I have to get this form.
Speaker 2: I'm my way to soul Cycle. I'm like, well, we're
Speaker 2: interviewing someone I don't know what this is. It's about
Speaker 2: to be July fourth, Like what is going on? So
Speaker 2: I still go to Soul Cycle. I walk to the precincts.
Speaker 2: I had a great time in the local precincts, I'll
Speaker 2: be honest. So I walk in.
Speaker 4: You know, we watch SPU word Yes to you, pot
Speaker 4: You're like to the here to Detective Benson like yeah, acab.
Speaker 1: But there's something like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in busy town heading to the precincts.
Speaker 2: So I'm in the precincts. Very helpful police officer. He goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: give me a sec He goes, you actually have to
Speaker 2: go to one PP Plaza. Here's the phone number. We
Speaker 2: don't do it here after COVID, we don't do it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I go, wait, should I go or call?
Speaker 2: He goes, call, So I call. No one answers. It's
Speaker 2: an automated message. But in the message it says, do
Speaker 2: not come here without an appointment. You need an appointment.
Speaker 2: Is there an appointment available?
Speaker 1: Of course not. The next available is July eighth.
Speaker 2: I always told July second that I need a visa,
Speaker 2: that I need to do this thing. And I'm leaving
Speaker 2: in three days. It's fucking holiday. The precinct it says,
Speaker 2: do not come. So now I'm dealing with like immigration
Speaker 2: lawyers and trying to have waivers in my former visa
Speaker 2: because I've been to Australia a few times and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to prove all this stuff to them. And basically
Speaker 2: it is because of our current president and he's fucking
Speaker 2: over Australians and making it harder to come here.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of just like a punishment. Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 2: But I'm flying first to New Zealand, so I could
Speaker 2: go and we'll figure it'll figure itself.
Speaker 1: Out, I hope.
Speaker 4: But like, and then you can be able to call
Speaker 4: your congress person's office. They I can help you get
Speaker 4: like passports if you like you know how people will
Speaker 4: be like, oh fuck, my passport's expiring in two days
Speaker 4: and I'm leaving for a foreign country. You can like
Speaker 4: call your congressperson's office and they can help you. But
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're working out immigration, playing it out.
Speaker 2: But they did say if you know, if you have
Speaker 2: a connection in New York City government or stay government.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, anybody anybody work in the Congressman's office.
Speaker 1: I hope you go be back.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm home already and no one's looked through my
Speaker 2: phone or taken my passport and cut it in half.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: And then the police officer said, shame on whoever waited
Speaker 2: till the last minute. He goes, you'd tell them, shame
Speaker 2: on them, And he goes, this is at least a
Speaker 2: few weeks to make to do this, and the other
Speaker 2: police officer goes, yeah, it's like the DMV. You can't
Speaker 2: just go on in and get fit, you know, right.
Speaker 4: I just went to the DMV last week, five days ago, really,
Speaker 4: and I was in and out in sixteen minutes because
Speaker 4: I had an appointment.
Speaker 1: You can't just walk in there, nightmare.
Speaker 4: No, No, oh my god, I hope this gets figured out.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so stressful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was fully sweaty and like wet from class
Speaker 2: to just begging for them to say I'm not a criminal.
Speaker 2: I would say mine is more selfish and self centered.
Speaker 2: I think, holding six billion dollars from educating, but none
Speaker 2: of this is. It's like it's like easy to be rage.
Speaker 2: Not easy. I just how I feel. It's like I'm
Speaker 2: in a rage. I'm so pish, but none of this
Speaker 2: is surprising. I guess the race stuff for some reason
Speaker 2: surprised me like nine to eleven, and now this it's like,
Speaker 2: are we serious? What the fuck is going on? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Every single fucking attack on Jewish people in
Speaker 2: this country has been a white supremacist, Like look, look
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a funny thing I'm mad about, Okay,
Speaker 2: and it's a little vulnerable. I did order a pack
Speaker 2: of twenty four water bottles off Amazon, so I like
Speaker 2: having fucking cold waters in my fridge. Jesus Christ. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the box has just been like in my living
Speaker 2: room for a while, and then I use the box
Speaker 2: cutter to open it and I cut a row of
Speaker 2: water bottles fully.
Speaker 1: Open, and.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, oh my god, that's sharp ass box cutter.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah. Yeah, it's working. It's it's working.
Speaker 2: But it's also like I could tell it's like a
Speaker 2: third party seller, Like I think it's like a family
Speaker 2: that's trying to make extra money buy stuff and then
Speaker 2: resells it on Amazon. It was like the jankiest weird
Speaker 2: bo like it shouldn't be a box. Like usually when
Speaker 2: you order a case of water just the case, just
Speaker 2: a yeah, like for it to even be in a box,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what janky apple like garage operation, operation app whatever?
Speaker 2: You know. You got me so fucking riled up, and
Speaker 2: now we're gonna watch crazy sview.
Speaker 1: But I did it. I did. It's mad. But I
Speaker 1: also I am like I can't believe.
Speaker 2: I'm just like like living life like and that like
Speaker 2: I'm going to a pool tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's just like weird. It's strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange because the worst things ever are happening.
Speaker 2: And I believe in revolution. I should be a part
Speaker 2: of a revolution, and here I am playing Tetris on
Speaker 2: my laptop.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I also feel a little bit like powerless and like what.
Speaker 4: Can we do because like we everyone's like call your
Speaker 4: congress people. It's like our congress people are doing what
Speaker 4: we want.
Speaker 2: The mid note, but they're doing the minimum. They're like
Speaker 2: vote and then go threaten your Democratic friends that vote
Speaker 2: the other way and help these Republicans past shit on
Speaker 2: the cuss people get some plans going. Are there secret meetings?
Speaker 2: Where's the coup? Where are where's the military? Where are
Speaker 2: the better different meetings. Yeah, where are the secret meetings?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that they.
Speaker 2: Are going to be fucking the Democratic people the midterms.
Speaker 2: We're not making it to midterms. If I've been right
Speaker 2: about everything, you know, we're not making it some midterms.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. If we're not making
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 2: We need to go to the kill bill guy and
Speaker 2: learn how to, you know, use our hands to fight
Speaker 2: out of a casket. I don't know, because that's the
Speaker 2: scary thing. Like I heard, like in Turkey, it's the
Speaker 2: suppressive government. But people, people are on the streets, you know,
Speaker 2: like people are protesting and it's just it doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna keep arresting. They're gonna make it harder
Speaker 2: and harder to protest. We're listen, my parents have lived
Speaker 2: in Russia. I guess I could do it again. I
Speaker 2: have it in my blood.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I could eat fucking pickled herring and buckwheat for the
Speaker 2: rest of my life.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's happening. I do not think that's happening. No, No,
Speaker 4: because I won't be able to make the buckwheat. I
Speaker 4: don't think that there's going to be outlets for you
Speaker 4: to get your frustrations out in Russia. I don't think
Speaker 4: you're able to do stand up. I don't think you'll
Speaker 4: be able to do soul. I don't think you'll be.
Speaker 2: Able to No, I'm not going to Russia. I mean
Speaker 2: America will be Russia. Yeah, and we're well have a career.
Speaker 2: I thought you were like, we could get out of here,
Speaker 2: we could leave, we.
Speaker 1: Could go to Russia. We left on religious we of course,
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I thought you were like making a
Speaker 2: comment about how bad it is here that you would
Speaker 2: go back.
Speaker 1: But yes, of course not. Of course you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: You're not going anywhere, and I don't think we're going
Speaker 4: to become Russia. But I'm also upset. I'm also upset
Speaker 4: about what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's it's fucked. I don't know what you do.
Speaker 4: So now you have to get basically today waivers and.
Speaker 1: You have to get this shit together. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I found all my old paperwork and sent it
Speaker 2: to my people and they made a waiver and like,
Speaker 2: we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you have it all. That's great. Oh yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just searching through gmails, like I.
Speaker 4: Know, but I know people that go through and delete
Speaker 4: gmails from like years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, I keep everything in Gmail, especially professionally. I mean. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: the water, that's the funnest thing we have to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the funnest thing is Lisa slashed open a bunch
Speaker 4: of water bottles.
Speaker 2: Listen, but I've been squeezing them open into a cup,
Speaker 2: like from the bottom.
Speaker 1: Like you're saving the water, You're saving the amusing the water.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, thank god. All right, let's get started with
Speaker 4: today's episode. It's wild. It's uh, you know, we here
Speaker 4: we are. We're just doing another episode that they're trying
Speaker 4: something new in this one.
Speaker 1: We've got.
Speaker 4: We've got a live show coming up in New York
Speaker 4: City on August fourteenth, so come see us. It's at
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Speaker 4: dot com and you can get tickets to that. You
Speaker 4: can also see Lisa's tour dates there as well. You
Speaker 4: can see our merch. You can, I don't know, you
Speaker 4: can do whatever the hell you want. We got a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff up on that website. But let's start
Speaker 4: today's episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll be doing betrayals. Climax I would put it.
Speaker 2: We've been doing a lot of goofy ones. I would say,
Speaker 2: not goofy. This is tragic and a crime is committed,
Speaker 2: but a lot of far no. I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's far fudged.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm using bad words. This is a wild episode. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna stick with. We have season fifteen. It's
Speaker 2: episode thirteen. Hulusa's twelve Go fuck yourself. So we're in
Speaker 2: a grand hall and you know, it's hands up time.
Speaker 1: There's an oath.
Speaker 2: Benson's in her full outfit with the hat, and I
Speaker 2: really hate seeing her in a cops hat. It like
Speaker 2: takes away everything that I believe in her. But it's
Speaker 2: a sergeant. So they're all wearing little white gloves like
Speaker 2: they're about to drop some silver. We're on a table
Speaker 2: and everyone's applauding eight congrats sergeants. It seems like way
Speaker 2: too many sergeants. There's like hundreds of these little cops,
Speaker 2: and so Rollin's fin and Tomorrow are viewing and they're
Speaker 2: watching in support. Rollins is like gulping the shit out
Speaker 2: of the silver Water bottle, all like, we've never seen
Speaker 2: her like sip like this before. But then Finn goes, baby,
Speaker 2: you're jumping around. That's a little too much caffeine. And
Speaker 2: she goes sorry and has a little grin and it's cute.
Speaker 2: She asks how DC was to tomorrow, you know with Maria,
Speaker 2: He says, one day at a time, and you know
Speaker 2: the drill. They're in a they're in a miserable marriage
Speaker 2: and divorce. They've never found a moment of joy with
Speaker 2: their relationship. But hey, Nick changes the subject quickly and goes, well,
Speaker 2: where's Cassidy. I can't believe he's not here supporting his
Speaker 2: girl's sergeant oath, but he's still undercover. And then Finn goes,
Speaker 2: or that's his story. So they all don't trust him
Speaker 2: or like him, and they don't want live dating him.
Speaker 2: So then Tomorrow says, fuck, we have a call missing
Speaker 2: teenaged girl, and Finn's like, fuck, couldn't the call have
Speaker 2: happened like an hour ago? They do not want to
Speaker 2: be at this thing, but you know, I saw a
Speaker 2: thing about how building community is inconvenient, and we've gotten
Speaker 2: too much about like boundaries, my own peace. I'm staying
Speaker 2: home and it's like, no, if you want to build community,
Speaker 2: you have to go do things. You have to go
Speaker 2: show up for people, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2: And that's what friendship is. And they're gonna watch Benson
Speaker 2: but no, honestly, yeah, they can't wait to leave. So
Speaker 2: Nick Nick Go's parents got home, the place was ransacked,
Speaker 2: and then Rollin's and Finn are like, well, take care
Speaker 2: of it, you stay Nick, But as soon as they
Speaker 2: get up to leave, Olivia is being called, Like it
Speaker 2: was twenty seconds, like they could have clapped and seen
Speaker 2: her take her certificate and then leave, but they leave
Speaker 2: as they're calling her name.
Speaker 4: Really it's psychologic from the back clap and then go.
Speaker 2: But Nick is sitting there smiling, clapping and he's just
Speaker 2: like so fucking hot, it's insane. So now you know
Speaker 2: we're on the scene of the crime. Our detectives get
Speaker 2: filled in by a uniformed cop. Avery Capshaw sixteen, her
Speaker 2: parents went to a wedding, left her home alone. They
Speaker 2: came back this morning, the place was trashed and robbed
Speaker 2: and the girl is gone.
Speaker 1: They spoke to her last.
Speaker 2: Night at eight pm and the UNI CoP's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the parents think she's been taken, and Finn goes and
Speaker 2: you and he's like, I don't know. This place smells
Speaker 2: like weed and there's no forced entry, and the neighbors
Speaker 2: said there was loud music till midnight. So the parents
Speaker 2: are telling Finn and Rollins that their daughter would never
Speaker 2: throw a party. That's not her vibe. They know something's wrong.
Speaker 2: But you threw parties as a teen. Would your parents
Speaker 2: also say y're someone that wouldn't throw a party.
Speaker 4: Probably yeah, they'd probably be like Caro would have like
Speaker 4: three or four friends over. But like, the parties that
Speaker 4: I threw in high school were wild, and I bet
Speaker 4: they would never have any idea about how wild they were.
Speaker 2: No, that's the thing parents, It's like, didn't you lie
Speaker 2: to your parents? I don't understand why parents are so delulu.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 4: My friend Valentine and I talk about this all the time,
Speaker 4: like we're the first person to be like, no, it's
Speaker 4: probably our kid, like these are. There's so many precious
Speaker 4: parents that are just like, could never. My kid could never.
Speaker 4: There's just absolutely no way. It's like, never say fucking never,
Speaker 4: your kid could do anything, you know, Yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Brant are not formed, so whatever. But they just know
Speaker 2: something is wrong, but there's been no ransom call. But
Speaker 2: all the jewelry is gone, all the cash is gone,
Speaker 2: and they're just like, Avery's never been in trouble, she's
Speaker 2: not that wild, like please, and there's blood in our
Speaker 2: main bedroom, so the mom thinks she was assaulted. They
Speaker 2: ask if you know she has a boyfriend. They go
Speaker 2: not anymore and his name is Manny Montero and they're
Speaker 2: both in the tenth grade and they go to the
Speaker 2: Hamilton Gifted and Talented School.
Speaker 1: They broke up two months.
Speaker 2: Ago because her grades were slipping, and so Finn's like, so,
Speaker 2: you know, were they out last night? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: They're like no, he's a nice boy. And the dad
Speaker 2: is like, listen, I don't want to sound wrong, but
Speaker 2: he's poor.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He lives house for some avenue projects and we don't
Speaker 2: like it. And they called the school and he didn't
Speaker 2: go to school that day either, so they both didn't
Speaker 2: make it to school. The wife leaves to go get
Speaker 2: Manny's contact information off of Avery's computer, and during this moment,
Speaker 2: the dad levels with the detectives, goes, listen, my wife's
Speaker 2: more trusting this Latino boy.
Speaker 1: Is no good. I've always had a bad feeling about
Speaker 1: this boy.
Speaker 2: The dad walks out, and Finn and Rollins are like, okay,
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet, and we know how well that turned out.
Speaker 2: And then they zoom in on the bit of blood
Speaker 2: on the bed and it is like the tiniest little
Speaker 2: bit of blood.
Speaker 1: It's really usually they try to gross us with the.
Speaker 2: Stuff, but it's really like a half period stain.
Speaker 1: Honestly, It's it's like nothing. It's really nothing. It's just
Speaker 1: a weird choice for them.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like, obviously, if there's blood on a
Speaker 2: bed and your daughters missing, that's like a big deal.
Speaker 2: But it's like what happened to the props department that day? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so a little splattering, a little more something. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: just was really tiny. But we go into the credits
Speaker 2: and now we're back in the office and Olivia's still
Speaker 2: in her cop top but the hat is off, thank
Speaker 2: god cop top.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't know why the way you said that
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Merch okay, No, we can't have anything,
Speaker 1: say cop Okay.
Speaker 2: So they're debating like is it a bad teen fun
Speaker 2: time or a crime?
Speaker 1: So what do they need to do.
Speaker 2: They're gonna check all the pawn shops to out for
Speaker 2: the jewelry. And then Danny Pino is here to take
Speaker 2: over for Maloney and like knowing about schools, and he's
Speaker 2: like poor or rich. This is a top like the
Speaker 2: top public school in the city. You both have to
Speaker 2: be genius as fuck to go there, Like no money
Speaker 2: can buy you, Like you have to be smart. And
Speaker 2: Manny doesn't even have a record. But his brother was
Speaker 2: murdered two years ago by b X nine and that's
Speaker 2: a gang and it was a drive by and no
Speaker 2: one was ever charged for the crime. Manny's parents haven't
Speaker 2: called him missing those so Finn jumps in that he
Speaker 2: lives with his grandmother and she sure as hell is
Speaker 2: not calling the cops, And Benson spins Tomorrow and says,
Speaker 2: you're still good with the Abualitas. Go to the grandma,
Speaker 2: Finn and Rollins and they have like I swear, they're
Speaker 2: like I fucking in that moment, Like Benson and to
Speaker 2: Morrow have kind of a sexiest look at each other
Speaker 2: in this second, and it's like, I'm telling.
Speaker 1: You, I used to think that was gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: was like an idiot.
Speaker 4: I was like like, well, if it's not, it's not
Speaker 4: Maloney anymore, I guess it's this new guy.
Speaker 1: Like I just didn't even then.
Speaker 4: I think I was shocked when there's like that one
Speaker 4: episode where he comes out of the shower at Rollins
Speaker 4: and I was like, he's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be hooking up with Benson, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know why.
Speaker 2: I was like so, well, because of a moment's like this, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like sexual so whatever.
Speaker 1: Amara was going to the grandma's.
Speaker 2: Finn and Rollins go through avery social media and they're
Speaker 2: gonna check out her friends at school. So then they
Speaker 2: all kind of make fun of her and they salute
Speaker 2: her and they're like, okay, we're on it, boss, and
Speaker 2: she's annoyed, but yeah, she has a sense of humor.
Speaker 1: So they're at the school talking to her friends.
Speaker 2: They're talking to a dork with glasses in the library
Speaker 2: and she's spilling the bee and she's like, yeah, her
Speaker 2: parents made them break up, but they were in love.
Speaker 2: They couldn't be a part, so she did have to
Speaker 2: lie to them. But she also liked the sneaking around.
Speaker 2: It was like hot for her. And then they ask
Speaker 2: where does she sneak off to and so then then
Speaker 2: we cut to Rollins and she's talking to a boy
Speaker 2: and it's you know, he's an artsy boy. There's a
Speaker 2: denim jacket and the easels funky art. This is an
Speaker 2: art moment and they love art. There's an art competition
Speaker 2: in two days, so she has to come back. She
Speaker 2: would never miss the art competition, and Rollins is like
Speaker 2: looking at the art and it's two people holding hands
Speaker 2: and she goes, wow, Avery is so talented, and her
Speaker 2: friend goes, yeah, she would never miss this competition, and
Speaker 2: Rollins asked if she cuts class, and it cuts back
Speaker 2: to Finn and the Nerd and she goes, no, cutting
Speaker 2: class is more Manny's thing because he has to take
Speaker 2: care of his grandmother and they're poor. And so now
Speaker 2: we're at this poor person apartment and it's Rosa Mon's Harrow,
Speaker 2: the grandma, and she's like, Manny is a good boy.
Speaker 2: And then when the topic of the girlfriend comes up,
Speaker 2: the grandma and Spanish says like, oh, that girl thinks
Speaker 2: she's too good for my son. He was a heartbroken
Speaker 2: that she broke up with him. And Nick walks into
Speaker 2: Manny's room and the grandma says, damn, you know like
Speaker 2: he works so hard.
Speaker 1: He has a job before school.
Speaker 2: And he's going to save up enough money to pay
Speaker 2: for a gravestone for his brother. So this is like sad,
Speaker 2: Like a teen has to work a job before school
Speaker 2: so his brother can like have a fucking gravestone. Devastating,
Speaker 2: but yeah, things are off. She didn't see him last
Speaker 2: night or this morning. And the backpacks in his room,
Speaker 2: so this isn't good. And in the backpack he finds
Speaker 2: some gang items. There's like a hat and beads in
Speaker 2: the colors of the gang. And the grandma's crying and saying, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: what happened after what happened to his brother? He would
Speaker 2: never fuck with guns and gangs, and she's crying. Life
Speaker 2: is so sad. So she's begging Nick and crying. We
Speaker 2: cut tomorrow and Finn and a car driving and they're like,
Speaker 2: that's like a wild double life, you know, to be
Speaker 2: like this gifted smart boy dating a rich girl and
Speaker 2: then being in this gang, Like that's a lot to handle.
Speaker 2: And they're cruising and they see a dude with the
Speaker 2: same hat, so like a gang hat, and they pull
Speaker 2: over and you know, Nick knows the kid. Nick knows
Speaker 2: this it's probably a common rat guy, you know, and
Speaker 2: under you see, I do love when there's like a
Speaker 2: little rat guy that they all know. I kind of
Speaker 2: like that character. And it's always like, then why are
Speaker 2: you helping? You seem so anxious about this. He throws
Speaker 2: him against the fence and says, I'm not true it anymore.
Speaker 2: I dropped out of school, and he giggles, and Tomorrow goes, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: like this isn't about school, and Finn goes, stop wasting
Speaker 2: her time, like, if you don't fucking tell us what
Speaker 2: we want, we're gonna bother you all day and we're
Speaker 2: gonna deter customers. Tell us what you know about Manny Montero.
Speaker 2: He denies knowing anything. He's like, I'm not a fucking rat,
Speaker 2: And then Finn starts taking photos of him and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: smiling together, and they're like, we're gonna show everyone this
Speaker 2: photo that your friends with a cop. We're just gonna
Speaker 2: like put it on the NYPD instagram. So he doesn't
Speaker 2: want this pic to circulate. This is so goofy, like
Speaker 2: when he'd be like, yeah, the cops made me do it,
Speaker 2: like whatever. So we we assume we got info because
Speaker 2: Manny is now in cement room bars. He's denying knowing
Speaker 2: where she is or even seeing her. He's like, we
Speaker 2: broke up, and Tomorrow's like, you're a fucking dumb bitch.
Speaker 2: We have forensics and we're gonna know you that you
Speaker 2: were there. And he's like, well fine, yeah, she invited
Speaker 2: me over to study, and Finn screams in her parents
Speaker 2: bed and he says I didn't do anything. He says
Speaker 2: I couldn't and they're like couldn't. What what? And they're
Speaker 2: trying to get something out of Manny and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's tough, and so Finn's somars being good cop and
Speaker 2: then Finn's trying to be bad cop and goes, I mean,
Speaker 2: we have enough weed to hold you, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you don't want to talk, you don't have to talk.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna tell your grandma. And he's like, don't
Speaker 2: tell my grandma. So he goes, she has a bad heart.
Speaker 2: So Nick goes, yeah, no, I know, you seem like
Speaker 2: a good kid, like you like your grandma, like help
Speaker 2: yourself out, do what's right, and Manny goes, just book me.
Speaker 2: Benson is spying as Amanda rush is in because ESU
Speaker 2: found dun Dundune. They found Avery. Avery's on a roof,
Speaker 2: so she's ready to jump. She has bruises on her face,
Speaker 2: she's in distress, she's in a coat. There's snow on
Speaker 2: the ledge, which means it might be slippery. It's cold,
Speaker 2: it's scary. The wind is blowing her fur lined hood
Speaker 2: like it is it's a windy day, and Rollins keeps
Speaker 2: inching closer and closer to her, and she says, leave
Speaker 2: me alone, go away, and Rollin's is like, well, clearly
Speaker 2: I can't, like I am a policer, and just like
Speaker 2: walk away as you're on this roof. We care about you.
Speaker 2: We've been looking for you all day. So the boy
Speaker 2: detectives are on the ground with her parents and they
Speaker 2: let them know that she was not with Manny. She
Speaker 2: was wandering the city alone all day. And the parents
Speaker 2: are like what this is crazy, Like something awful must
Speaker 2: have happened to her for this to be the result.
Speaker 2: And so now some helmet wearing motherfucker, full bulletproof vest
Speaker 2: guy is trying to take charge, not being patient, like
Speaker 2: telling Benson like she has five minutes or we're doing
Speaker 2: our guys in our way and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, you're so annoying. There's a scared girl
Speaker 2: on a ledge, like I doubt she wants your fucking
Speaker 2: helmet ass up there. She'd rather be talking to a cute,
Speaker 2: fun blonde girl, but she's panting up there. Rollins is
Speaker 2: trying to get her help. She says, don't you get it?
Speaker 2: He's dead, and Rollins asks who, and she goes, Manny,
Speaker 2: they killed him.
Speaker 1: Rolin's going no, no, no, he's alive.
Speaker 2: And she doesn't believe Rollin's and and it's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we have him in custody. We can call him, you
Speaker 2: can talk to him. He's alive. She does not believe Rollins,
Speaker 2: and she keeps accusing her of lying, and then she jumps.
Speaker 2: But she must have seen the blow up thing beneath
Speaker 2: her right like did she just want a fun ride?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was wondering too.
Speaker 4: I was like, like, it's you're not going to end
Speaker 4: your life, and so were you like this could be fun?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get it, cause yeah, so you guys are
Speaker 2: just like a giant Discovery Zone blow up savor thing
Speaker 2: at the bottom.
Speaker 1: She was going dzy at Discoveries.
Speaker 2: And she just jumped and it was like it was
Speaker 2: cool like that you would pay money at an amusement.
Speaker 1: Port to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to do that because if you
Speaker 2: jump to your death, I get it. But what are
Speaker 2: you're jumping?
Speaker 1: Just?
Speaker 2: I mean I would do I would want the thrill.
Speaker 2: I would want a thrill to know I was safe.
Speaker 2: But she jumps, but a thing catches her and it's
Speaker 2: big and bouncy. So and she's in baby blue sweatpants.
Speaker 2: And if you see a rich girl in baby blue sweatpants,
Speaker 2: you know she's having a tough day, like she's going
Speaker 2: through the dark side. She yeah, it's not it's not
Speaker 2: a good sign. It's not a you're not wearing baby
Speaker 2: blue if things are going good. So now we're in
Speaker 2: the hospital. Rollin's and Benson come to see Avery in
Speaker 2: her room. They go, why did you think Manny was dead?
Speaker 2: And it's because she called his cell phone that morning.
Speaker 2: But they said I'll never see him again. And they
Speaker 2: go who is they? And they ask if it's the
Speaker 2: gang or any info, like they want to understand what
Speaker 2: led her to the roof, what happened last night. She
Speaker 2: says it wasn't Manny's fault. She asked them to come over.
Speaker 2: They ordered pizza and studied. Benson said, I also like
Speaker 2: that good kids can only study, like could it be
Speaker 2: monopoly or a game or a movie.
Speaker 1: It's always like we were just studying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it needs to be an in between from like
Speaker 2: gang activity and studying.
Speaker 1: I don't understand one is studying.
Speaker 4: We were drinking vodka and fucking, or we were studying,
Speaker 4: and there's nothing in between.
Speaker 2: I was friends with this little girl when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, and her mom was very, very strict, and
Speaker 2: it was a very studious family, but I was We
Speaker 2: were always desperate to hang out. So sometimes I would
Speaker 2: go to her house and we would both have to
Speaker 2: read silently from our own books. But I would just
Speaker 2: come over to read together for a half hour.
Speaker 1: And then leave.
Speaker 4: I mean, my best friend and I used to watch
Speaker 4: TV on the phone together, just like watching TV and
Speaker 4: like barely talking because I would get in trouble if
Speaker 4: I got busted watching TV.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the weekday, the weekday clank.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, So Benson.
Speaker 2: Says, well, the apartment looked like there was a party
Speaker 2: in sex and she's like, wow, we've had sex before,
Speaker 2: please don't tell my parents, but not last night. They
Speaker 2: were like, did Manny invite people over? She says no.
Speaker 2: The doorbell rang. I went to answer it, and three
Speaker 2: guys pushed in and yelled at Manny in Spanish. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: what do they want and she says money. I guess
Speaker 2: They went to the liquor cabinet and then they tore
Speaker 2: the house apart, and she screamed, but they grabbed her
Speaker 2: and she doesn't want to talk about anything else because
Speaker 2: they said they would kill Manny if she talked. They
Speaker 2: decide to bully the suicidal girl and tell her, well,
Speaker 2: the only person we know that was in the apartment
Speaker 2: was Manny, so unless you talk, we're pinning it all
Speaker 2: on him and we're taking it all the way. And
Speaker 2: she swears it wasn't him, and Benson goes, well, he's
Speaker 2: just gonna stay in jail till you tell us the truth.
Speaker 1: So she starts crying. Then they had a gun.
Speaker 2: They dragged her into her parents' bedroom and they raped her,
Speaker 2: all three of them, and they were laughing and shouting
Speaker 2: rock amos, which I guess is we rock and Benson
Speaker 2: translated that. Benson translates it to rollins, so she goes,
Speaker 2: that means we rock. And then they held a gun
Speaker 2: on Manny during the attack and made him watch, and
Speaker 2: they told him that he had to go next, but
Speaker 2: he couldn't do it. And so then it went all
Speaker 2: night until the like till it was light out, and
Speaker 2: then she said, you know, my parents are going to
Speaker 2: be back soon, and so they left. They took Manny
Speaker 2: with them, and then she says, once I called and
Speaker 2: realized that he was dead, she walked out of the house,
Speaker 2: wandered around the city and got to his neighborhood. So
Speaker 2: Benson says, okay, we're gonna do a rape kit. We're
Speaker 2: gonna look at some photos, and we're going to try
Speaker 2: to make some IDs. She repeats that Manny had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with it, that he really loves her, and
Speaker 2: the whole time that she was falling into like this
Speaker 2: pillow cloud, that she was thinking about him, and Manny
Speaker 2: is asking to see avery but tomorrow and Finn are like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you need to tell us who did this or you're
Speaker 2: going down as an accessory. And it's like, Manny, this
Speaker 2: is when you ask for a fucking lawyer. But they
Speaker 2: lie to him, and they say that the gang won't
Speaker 2: know it came from him, and he goes, well, now
Speaker 2: who's lying and he is crying and they and he says, like,
Speaker 2: they put a gun on me, and they keep bullying him,
Speaker 2: and he asked, do you think I wanted this? And
Speaker 2: they go no, but they raped your girl and you
Speaker 2: and made you watch, and you're not man enough to
Speaker 2: tell us who they are. So Benson walks in and
Speaker 2: then Manny goes, well, they said if I talk, they're
Speaker 2: going to kill me and Avery, and Benson stares him
Speaker 2: down and says, well, I guess Avery's tougher than you
Speaker 2: because she is looking at mugshots of your friends. He says,
Speaker 2: they're not my friends, and so now are at clear
Speaker 2: board time. Finn is breaking down that the Prince match
Speaker 2: a dude named Carlos Hernandez and he is the head
Speaker 2: of the gang. And then Avery did pick him out,
Speaker 2: and Amaro explains the next guy. It's a real musical
Speaker 2: chairs moment. They each get a guy to bring up.
Speaker 2: So Amro says, Miguel Castilla, aka the Sandman, he was
Speaker 2: caught pawning the mom's jewels, and then Avery I d'd
Speaker 2: him as well, and then Rollins comes on with the
Speaker 2: third guy, Info, and that's Rego Harrie Ado, and so
Speaker 2: they're bragging online about and this idiot, this Rego guy,
Speaker 2: is bragging online about his crime. He's truly doing live
Speaker 2: stories of like we fucking did it girl Upstown, you know,
Speaker 2: upstate uptown, one of the Upper West whatever. They're like
Speaker 2: bragging about being on the Upper West Side and so
Speaker 2: full incrimination. So they go to They're gonna go hang
Speaker 2: out with the gang unit, who probably tracks their routine,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna start arresting these motherfuckers because if they're
Speaker 2: bragging online about the crime, they're not laying low. So
Speaker 2: Finn and Rollins are in a car spying and they
Speaker 2: get they find Miguel and they arrest him. Tomorrow goes
Speaker 2: to pick up Rego and then it's a full crew
Speaker 2: to pick up Carlos, who's in charge, full protection gear cops.
Speaker 2: Finn and Rollins are there and then Finn like walks
Speaker 2: into the door, grabs this dude by the neck and
Speaker 2: throws him on the couch. Yeah, and this is when
Speaker 2: I'm like, of course people want to fuck Finn.
Speaker 1: I mean the way he grabbed this man's neck. I
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 2: So there's a kid in this house with his girlfriend
Speaker 2: and Finn was like, wait, I know you, Marisol, and
Speaker 2: she goes, so what and he's like, I thought you
Speaker 2: were done with that gang shit and like you stayed
Speaker 2: with your baby daddy. And she goes, he was a
Speaker 2: rat and rolls on everyone and the gang and they're like, well, no,
Speaker 2: he left you out of it.
Speaker 1: He just rolled on the gang. She goes, the gang
Speaker 1: is my family and that's that, okay.
Speaker 2: So the guys in cement room bars are saying that
Speaker 2: Manny is the one that invited them to come through.
Speaker 2: They're saying that she was into it and that she
Speaker 2: was coming like a freight train the whole time. And
Speaker 2: the main guy is hot and his smile is evil,
Speaker 2: and they're saying she wanted a trip, okay. And then
Speaker 2: they're these guys are saying that she wanted a trip
Speaker 2: to the boneyard. They're calling her a rich bitch. And
Speaker 2: so now we go visit her and she's in shock.
Speaker 2: She goes, hold up. They're saying that Manny told them
Speaker 2: I wanted it. She says, nobody would want that, but
Speaker 2: they're like, how did they know that your parents were
Speaker 2: going to be away? You know, how they know that
Speaker 2: you were going to be home alone? And she says,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they followed Manny and she says,
Speaker 2: what did Manny say? And they're like, Manny is not
Speaker 2: cooperating and she's like, oh my god, he's mad at me.
Speaker 2: And they ask why in the world would he be
Speaker 2: mad at you, and she goes, well, they made him
Speaker 2: watch all night and he saw and she's having a
Speaker 2: hard time saying it, but basically they hurt her so bad,
Speaker 2: but she did. She was coming and she couldn't stop,
Speaker 2: and so each time it happened, they would high five
Speaker 2: each other and it was this weird game. But she
Speaker 2: didn't want to and she's like, I was scared to death.
Speaker 2: My body, you know, kept having orgasms and she's like,
Speaker 2: I hate myself. I'm so disgusting, and they, you know,
Speaker 2: the classic go like, this is a physiological normal response.
Speaker 2: It's a reflex. It doesn't mean that you wanted it
Speaker 2: or enjoyed it. And she just like thinks that something
Speaker 2: is wrong with her and she's they're like, nothing is
Speaker 2: wrong with you, and she goes, well, then, why has
Speaker 2: that never happened with Manny and now she's full crying.
Speaker 2: She says, I love him, and she's so confused and
Speaker 2: she's chewing on her like thumb like thumbnails like she's
Speaker 2: really ripping her nails apart. So now it's Barbara time,
Speaker 2: and he's like, what's the problem. We have physical evidence,
Speaker 2: we have social media evidence, we have priors IDs by
Speaker 2: the victim like DNA Prince like, let's take this to court.
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, you know, she's experienced in voluntary
Speaker 2: orgasms during the rape and she doesn't want to testify,
Speaker 2: and Barbara goes, no, worries, I'll get a bunch of experts.
Speaker 2: They'll explain how that's not consent, like she needs to
Speaker 2: take the stand. And Barbara says, you need to change
Speaker 2: her mind or get the boyfriend to talk. But we
Speaker 2: need someone on the fucking stand. And he's acting like
Speaker 2: that's an easy thing to do. If it was, they
Speaker 2: would have already gotten them both to testify. So now
Speaker 2: also this is a gang and we figure out that
Speaker 2: the grandma was actually mugged by b X nine three
Speaker 2: times last year.
Speaker 1: They're terrible.
Speaker 2: We're like watching this grandma being beat in this elevator
Speaker 2: it's like I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I know, and the and Manny's grandma is from many
Speaker 4: SVU episodes, right, isn't she the woman that works at
Speaker 4: the beef in the factory in beef Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 4: when uh Marishka is like many kugarachas Like yeah, holy.
Speaker 1: Shit, yeah she is.
Speaker 2: And I just don't like her being mugged, but whatever,
Speaker 2: so I know, so he probably joined the gang to
Speaker 2: protect her. So it's like Manny wanted to live a
Speaker 2: different life. So and then they start harassing his grandma
Speaker 2: to force him to join a gang that, like his
Speaker 2: brother died protected like fuck you, so they saw so.
Speaker 2: And then they're like the detectives are discussing like of
Speaker 2: course the gang wants a smart boy around, and Finn
Speaker 2: adds or a cream puff to take a hit for
Speaker 2: all of this, and then it's like, but why rape
Speaker 2: the girlfriend? Is this like a loyalty test? Like why
Speaker 2: fucking do this? And then it clicks. The grandma mentioned
Speaker 2: how he was about to have enough money to get
Speaker 2: a gravestone for his brother and maybe this robbery is
Speaker 2: the big payday, like did he set this up for
Speaker 2: the money in cash? Like this is terrible so they
Speaker 2: go to harass the grandma, and you know, she hasn't
Speaker 2: been through enough. So then the grandma thinks like that
Speaker 2: he that he's a delivery boy for a pharmacy, but
Speaker 2: a gravestone is two grands, so they're like, it's not
Speaker 2: adding up, like no one does deliveries for pharmacies, and
Speaker 2: then makes thousands of dollars. So then they guilt her
Speaker 2: into talking because they're like, well, he joined the gang
Speaker 2: for your safety, and Finn and Tomorrow are onto something maybe,
Speaker 2: and so they're doing walking and talking. They're thinking, they're
Speaker 2: figuring it all out. And I didn't know. I love
Speaker 2: the watching Nick button his coat.
Speaker 1: Hot. Okay, so we're talking to SVDU Royalty.
Speaker 2: Here it's the earwax man from the episode with the
Speaker 2: Big the companies to remember this episode. Wait, the earwax
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, man, it's ridiculous, cureless, ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's also driving the beer truck at the
Speaker 4: super Bowl episode.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he's like in five episodes, he's amazing. So
Speaker 2: now he's here as well, and this time, you work,
Speaker 2: we got to get him on the show. I wonder
Speaker 2: if we've done all his episodes. So I feel like
Speaker 2: we talk about ridiculous, like all the goddamn sun, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I just drive the trucks and Rollins goes, okay,
Speaker 2: but you probably just also tell the gangs when the ox.
Speaker 2: He's coming in and out, and he denies it, denies it,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, we're going to go through all
Speaker 2: your financials and if we see you that you're spending
Speaker 2: double then what you're making and delivering, then we're going
Speaker 2: to have an issue on our hands. And then they're like,
Speaker 2: we're not even after you. We truly don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: We need to know what happened, Like can you can
Speaker 2: you fill us in? He goes, okay, Okay, okay, he goes,
Speaker 2: I called in to be nine that like we got
Speaker 2: the oxy, but they sent some skinny kid to point
Speaker 2: the gun. But the kid is being shy, he's not
Speaker 2: saying anything, and they show a photo of Manny goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's him. He froze, and so I had to tell him,
Speaker 2: like shoot the wall. You need to make it look real,
Speaker 2: like you can't just stand there. It's my job, but
Speaker 2: like they have to make it look like a real
Speaker 2: fucking robbery and this guy just hasn't had the normal
Speaker 2: acting classes that most criminals have yet haha. And so
Speaker 2: you know, the owner though heard the shot came running.
Speaker 2: So basically when the owner comes out, the ridiculous dude
Speaker 2: is like, this kid wants oxy. This kid walks wants oxy.
Speaker 2: So what did the owner do? We cut to Rikers
Speaker 2: and uh oh, they find out that the pharmacists let
Speaker 2: him go with a bunch of aspirin instead of oxy.
Speaker 2: And so then Finn and Tomorrow are like, okay, well
Speaker 2: now we know everything. The gang is getting back at
Speaker 2: you for fucking up their drug deal. You know, aspirin
Speaker 2: doesn't have that big of a as big of a
Speaker 2: payday as oxy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're doing everything.
Speaker 2: They get him to talk, and then they bring up
Speaker 2: his brother and he goes, you think you're going to
Speaker 2: bring up my brother and that's going to make me talk,
Speaker 2: And Finn's like, damn, so you don't care about anybody.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna help Avery at all. He says, she
Speaker 2: can take care of herself. I saw that she doesn't
Speaker 2: need me, and Tomorrow's like, you're a fucking idiot. And
Speaker 2: so now they're in woodroom blinds with Avery, and Avery
Speaker 2: is so confused. She's like, wait, what do you mean
Speaker 2: he's not testifying, and Benson explains that he is too
Speaker 2: scared and of the game, that he's too scared of
Speaker 2: the gang, and she goes, no, I know it's me.
Speaker 2: I broke his heart and Benson's like, you need to stop.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, and then they bring up like
Speaker 2: tickling and then like crying with cutting onions and just
Speaker 2: like they're really explaining everything to her, and she.
Speaker 4: Goes, remind me of like when they talk to male
Speaker 4: victims and the male victims are like, how could I
Speaker 4: have gotten an erection if I was being attacked? And
Speaker 4: it's like it's a bodily response, you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, And so then she's like, I need to
Speaker 2: talk to him, so they let her visit wrikers.
Speaker 1: She sits down across from him and they have a
Speaker 1: how are you off?
Speaker 2: And she says sorry, and she says sorry to him,
Speaker 2: which is crazy. This makes me as mad as the
Speaker 2: Barbie movie, Like why is she apologizing? Why does she
Speaker 2: have to apologize him? She was like brutally raped and
Speaker 2: she just keeps worrying about him, like this.
Speaker 1: Is so fun.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like you got cooked so bad when I
Speaker 4: got raped, Like it's so bonkers. But she's a teen.
Speaker 4: And then it's like, you know, she's a teen. And
Speaker 4: she's explaining she's about to jump off a roof. She's
Speaker 4: also going through a lot. Yeah, she's explaining how it was.
Speaker 2: She wasn't into it, she didn't feel anything that she
Speaker 2: was fully disassociated, like not in her body at all.
Speaker 1: She couldn't stop it, and Amaro pipes in.
Speaker 2: She's telling the truth, and she says, all I was
Speaker 2: worried about was you. You have to believe me. She's
Speaker 2: begging him. I she's begging him. He says, you're worried
Speaker 2: about me? Then walk away. Tell them nothing happened to you.
Speaker 2: She says, but you know that's not true. You have
Speaker 2: to tell the jury how they busted in. They held
Speaker 2: me down and forced me. I didn't want any of it. Please,
Speaker 2: And he just says I'm sorry and looks off and
Speaker 2: he is not going to help her. Rollin's and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: roll their eyes at each other. They are fucking pissed.
Speaker 2: And now we're like at the family vehicle. The dad
Speaker 2: is packing up the car. He's bitching like he's like,
Speaker 2: I no wonder he won't testify. He's as guilty as
Speaker 2: the rest of them. And the mom goes, listen, I
Speaker 2: want him charged. They all suck. We want them all charged.
Speaker 2: And the daughter is like, what the fuck you, guys,
Speaker 2: I told you we had a gun to his head,
Speaker 2: and the dad says, I wish they shot him. That boy,
Speaker 2: set you up. And Benson and Rollins try to talk
Speaker 2: to the dad and the dad's like, fuck all of you.
Speaker 2: I want them all in prison for life.
Speaker 1: Fuck you.
Speaker 2: And they start talking about testifying, and the mom goes,
Speaker 2: we're going upstate.
Speaker 1: We're going to our house for a few days.
Speaker 2: We're getting the fuck out of here, and Benson and
Speaker 2: Rollins share a look of like, damn, our lives are
Speaker 2: hard as the family drive off. So, okay, room room.
Speaker 2: The gang's all here. So the gang starts attacking them
Speaker 2: in this wild motorcycle chase. So there's like got six
Speaker 2: motorcycles circling the car. The dad's not and then they
Speaker 2: like get in front of the vehicle and stop, and
Speaker 2: so the dad steps on the brakes.
Speaker 4: This is like a very fast and furious like action
Speaker 4: sequence for us, for you, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I would never judge anyone's behavior, but I
Speaker 2: would run over everyone in the motorcycle. Yeah, there's enough
Speaker 2: footage in New York City.
Speaker 1: It would be all caught, Like, yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: Because then what happens is they break the car with
Speaker 2: baseball bats. They beat the family to shit like they're
Speaker 2: breaking the car. They all get off their motorcycles and
Speaker 2: just like fully attack and yeah, bummer, And this is
Speaker 2: on the news, this crime because this is very salacious
Speaker 2: and gang violence and you know people like that, and
Speaker 2: so cut some ruises, broken ribs, wrists, Avery needs stitches
Speaker 2: in her scalp. Oh god Rollins is on the scene
Speaker 2: and Barbara are at the squad and Benson gets the
Speaker 2: update that they are not allowing her to testify.
Speaker 1: The parents are over it. They are done.
Speaker 2: No one's talking, but Barbara just keeps talking about how
Speaker 2: hard it's going to be in court.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, there's so much evidence.
Speaker 2: You're saying there's fingerprints or this or that there's DNA,
Speaker 2: Like what is the confusion?
Speaker 1: They also just beat this family with the bats.
Speaker 2: They're like discussing this, but basically, if there's not a witness,
Speaker 2: then the gang members can kind of like spin anything
Speaker 2: they could be like, we were invited, we were this,
Speaker 2: we were that, and beyond a reasonable doubt, you can't
Speaker 2: really prove it without these other witnesses.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't buy. I don't get this.
Speaker 2: They need to make it easier to like bring people
Speaker 2: to justice without having to re traumatize people. I don't
Speaker 2: like it, Yeah, but it is what it is. So
Speaker 2: Amorrow wait over and he has an idea. He's like,
Speaker 2: let me chat with Manny again. I've been looking at
Speaker 2: his brother's murder and I have some ideas. So basically,
Speaker 2: witnesses said that he was shot by Del Toro Gang,
Speaker 2: this other gang, but that gun was never and recovered.
Speaker 2: But also all the witnesses that said it was Del
Speaker 2: Toro Gang were all b x nine.
Speaker 1: And guess what.
Speaker 2: Six months later, the gun was used as at a
Speaker 2: bodega and the bullet was stuck in the wall, and
Speaker 2: it was the same gun used for the brother's murder.
Speaker 2: But that robbery and the bodega was b X nine.
Speaker 2: So this is a community gun. This might be an
Speaker 2: inside job, and this is a Morrow's theory. So Benson says,
Speaker 2: go work on it, because you know, without avery, without Manny.
Speaker 2: These guys fucking walk like, we need to figure this out.
Speaker 2: So the guy they bullied, like the rat with the
Speaker 2: photos and stuff, like just the guy on the street,
Speaker 2: is now in a Morrow's passenger seat trying to hide
Speaker 2: like yeah and getting low.
Speaker 1: It's really theatrical. This guy's really funny.
Speaker 2: He gives me like a Templeton the rat vibe, you
Speaker 2: know from Charlotte's.
Speaker 1: Baby, Like he's just kind of like he's silly.
Speaker 2: I'm like really into this guy, and I hope he
Speaker 2: gets out of the gang life.
Speaker 1: But he has a sense of humor around him, so we.
Speaker 2: Get what we get from the the like the guy
Speaker 2: also doesn't agree say anything out loud. It's all in
Speaker 2: the eyes, like, it's a lot of eye acting. But
Speaker 2: we get that this is an inside job and it's
Speaker 2: so fucked up. And also, the same gun that Manny
Speaker 2: used in the pharmacy stick up was the same gun
Speaker 2: that killed his brother.
Speaker 4: They gave him his own brother's murder weapon as a
Speaker 4: community gun to do this aspirin stick up.
Speaker 1: Jesus.
Speaker 2: So now we're at the cemetery and Amaro and Finn
Speaker 2: brought Manny from Rikers to you don't know, run around
Speaker 2: the block. At the cemetery, Manny says, he's not talking,
Speaker 2: and they're walking and talking and they're like, the gang
Speaker 2: tried to kill your girlfriend and her family. Then they
Speaker 2: give him the information about his brother, and he will
Speaker 2: not believe him, and they're like, well, did they ever
Speaker 2: get revenge on your brother's death. Manny knows the answer,
Speaker 2: but instead screams like stop, and then says loyal and Spanish.
Speaker 2: Nick says there's a difference between loyalty and blind loyalty.
Speaker 2: And then they go to his brother's gravesite and there's
Speaker 2: no gravestone, just like a small little wooden cross and
Speaker 2: a ribbon, and so Nick takes out the bullet that
Speaker 2: killed his brother, and then the second bullet is the
Speaker 2: same gun, and that's the gang community gun, and here's
Speaker 2: the third bullet from your pharmacy thing. So basically, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is sad. And then Manny still refuses it. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: I believe O G wouldn't do that. O G wouldn't
Speaker 2: do that. And then they also like raped avery on
Speaker 2: top of all of this, like what the fu And
Speaker 2: they just keep trying to convince him, and he says,
Speaker 2: I can't because then she will know that I'm guilty.
Speaker 1: I knew the dad was right.
Speaker 2: Damn Og called me that night and said they were
Speaker 2: coming over to party. He knew what that meant, but
Speaker 2: he didn't want to know. And he could have called
Speaker 2: the cops. He could have gotten Avery out of there,
Speaker 2: but he froze, like they could have gone anywhere else.
Speaker 2: They could have gone to a movie, Like they didn't
Speaker 2: have to be in that fucking house, right, he didn't
Speaker 2: have to go over there like it is.
Speaker 1: This is terrible.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he did this and then make it
Speaker 2: her feel bad after her rape while she's crying over
Speaker 2: his fucking ass.
Speaker 1: What she well, he set this up.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's so awful.
Speaker 2: He's like, once Avery finds out, she'll hate me for
Speaker 2: the rest of her life.
Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: Nick says, you didn't protect her then, but maybe you
Speaker 2: can protect her now. So now he's sitting with Barbara,
Speaker 2: and they promise they're gonna, you know, keep it confidential.
Speaker 2: Manny knows that's not possible, but they promised round the
Speaker 2: clock protection, so they turn the camera on.
Speaker 1: He talks right into the camera.
Speaker 2: Avery, The worst thing you can do with these guys
Speaker 2: is show weakness, and they knew how much I loved you.
Speaker 1: That's why this happened.
Speaker 2: What he should have done is shoot up every pharmacy
Speaker 2: in town to spare you even a second of pain.
Speaker 2: So now we cut to Avery watching the tape. Rollins
Speaker 2: feels bad. Avery's really sad. He continues, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Avery.
Speaker 2: She says, I knew he would do the right thing,
Speaker 2: and she wants to thank him. But first Rollins goes, well,
Speaker 2: let me fill you in on the rest of the
Speaker 2: tape and the testimony and his role in all of this,
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, he had a gun to his head,
Speaker 2: and Rollin's goes, yeah, but he knew the gang was
Speaker 2: coming over. He knew, and he didn't tell me, which
Speaker 2: is a normal response for Avery to have. And this
Speaker 2: is like fucking arm breaking, and Rollin says, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: And then Avery goes, I thought he loved me. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. While they were on top of me, all
Speaker 2: I could think about was him and how hard it
Speaker 2: was for him to watch. And Rollin says, he did
Speaker 2: not want you to get hurt. I'm sure of it,
Speaker 2: and she says, no, you don't get to defend him.
Speaker 1: And I'm with Avery here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Finn interrupts and asks for Amanda. Yeah, Amanda's always
Speaker 2: going to defend Amana, so totally up her ally. So
Speaker 2: when Amanda like steps out, they get a call from
Speaker 2: Rikers Manny was found dead hanging in his cell about
Speaker 2: an hour ago, and his tongue was cut out. But
Speaker 2: also like duh, but also wasn't he supposed to be
Speaker 2: in protective custody? So then Barbara's on the same page
Speaker 2: I was, and saying what I said, which is like, wait,
Speaker 2: isn't he protect of custody? And Finn goes, well, you know,
Speaker 2: guards say, shit happens, and the grandma is inconsolable obviously
Speaker 2: like her God, and I wonder, I butt the gang's
Speaker 2: going to start harassing her again too, and now and
Speaker 2: now nobody is going to talk now that the tongue
Speaker 2: is cut out, so like anyone that would have ever
Speaker 2: helped is like done. So so they're like, well, can
Speaker 2: we use the tape confession? And Barbara goes, you know
Speaker 2: the rules the defense gets to cross examine a witness,
Speaker 2: so no, that's not possible. The only way the tape
Speaker 2: goes in is if they can prove that they killed him.
Speaker 2: To prevent him from testifying. But nobody's going to turn
Speaker 2: on him now, nobody is safe, and Finn is like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe we can get him to turn on himself. So
Speaker 2: they go to Marisol's house, the girlfriend of the OG,
Speaker 2: and they're going to try to harass her, and she's
Speaker 2: telling Rollin's like I'm not I don't have anything to
Speaker 2: fucking say to you, and Finn goes, okay, well og
Speaker 2: is going down for rape and she says no, that
Speaker 2: girl wanted it and she needs to be taught that
Speaker 2: like a lesson about what b X nine is all about.
Speaker 2: And it's like, what is it about? Like, god, yeah,
Speaker 2: life is so hard. So they're basically playing some mind
Speaker 2: games with her. Well, I was just talking to my
Speaker 2: friend who's been sober for a long time. But she
Speaker 2: was like a bad team and went to rehab, and like,
Speaker 2: for some reason, this week we were talking about her
Speaker 2: rehab life and she goes, I was the only person
Speaker 2: in my like rehab for troubled teens that could read.
Speaker 2: She goes like, no one could read, no one was
Speaker 2: ever taught like read to, Like no one's parents ever
Speaker 2: visited like she goes, that's when it hit me. That
Speaker 2: I had to get my life together because at least
Speaker 2: my parents loved me, because she said, no one else.
Speaker 2: She's like, they don't even they can't even fathom a
Speaker 2: different life because no one, like they can't even see
Speaker 2: outside of their thing and they can't even fucking read,
Speaker 2: and so you know, like, but yeah, this girl like
Speaker 2: likes her life with Og, Like what the fuck? Okay,
Speaker 2: So they're basically playing mind games with her, and they're
Speaker 2: getting her to call Og and trap him, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So they go listen, we have his testimony,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I'm loyal, that's my man, and they go, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we just thought you should know. We have testimony and
Speaker 2: we're gonna put him away, and we got like Manny
Speaker 2: helped and rat it. So they leave her and she
Speaker 2: calls him immediately. The plan worked. So now we're in
Speaker 2: prison and OG's with his lawyer and Barbara and Benson
Speaker 2: are there, and the lawyer is like, well, everyone is dead.
Speaker 1: So he gets off and Benson goes, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: a brutal gang rape. He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: But he denies that it's a rape at all, and
Speaker 2: the lawyer says you both know that there's no case
Speaker 2: that video is out, and Barba's like, well, actually in
Speaker 2: the case of forfeiture for wrongdoing, and so then Ogi
Speaker 2: gets nervous and he's like, what the fuck is he
Speaker 2: talking about? And the lawyer explains, he's claiming that you
Speaker 2: had many killed to prevent him from testifying, and if
Speaker 2: he can prove that, which he can't, then Manny's taped
Speaker 2: slander would be allowed.
Speaker 1: So that's like their big plan.
Speaker 2: If they can prove that he was killed to stop
Speaker 2: him from testifying, then the tape gets to be used
Speaker 2: in trial. And then Ben's and goes, except we can
Speaker 2: prove that, and she leans in your girlfriend, Marisol, she
Speaker 2: made a call to you this morning. Huh. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had to calm her down, and Barbara goes, oh, no,
Speaker 2: you talked a little bit more than that. Prison phone
Speaker 2: calls aren't confidential, babe. It was her flipping out and
Speaker 2: you hear, and so they play the tape. They play
Speaker 2: the phone call and it's her flipping out, like being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. They got Manny to testify. Manny, but
Speaker 2: Manny turned like, what's going to happen? Are you going
Speaker 2: to be in jail and you hear o g say, Oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry, I'm not doing any time. And she says,
Speaker 2: the cops told me Manny is testifying. He says, they're lying.
Speaker 2: My Verdugos took care of it. He's not talking to anybody,
Speaker 2: especially without a tongue. So then his lawyer goes, I'm
Speaker 2: going to need some time with my client and we'll
Speaker 2: take up pok. He goes, we'll take a plea and
Speaker 2: Barbara goes, oh, I'd rather go to the jury. You know,
Speaker 2: I'd rather do that unless he's willing to testify against
Speaker 2: his fellow gang members, and that's the only way he
Speaker 2: can get a deal. And he calmly says, you think
Speaker 2: you won this, it's cool. I'll do my bid. Prison's
Speaker 2: right for new recruits anyways, and they're loyal to the core,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, like Manny was. He says, no, he
Speaker 2: was never one of us. And in fact, I'm safer
Speaker 2: in here than you are out there, Sergeant Benson, And
Speaker 2: she says, oh, you want to threaten me, And then
Speaker 2: this is like, this is not aged, but she goes,
Speaker 2: I got the biggest gang in the city. You think
Speaker 2: your guys are loyal, go ahead test the NYPD. Hye daarhiea.
Speaker 1: I crinched.
Speaker 4: I was like, live, no, come on, you guys are special.
Speaker 4: Don't don't talk about being a gang. Don't talk about
Speaker 4: being a gang, because you guys already have.
Speaker 2: A bad well you are the lie, the blue fin lie.
Speaker 2: Like you guys are this like this is so fucked
Speaker 2: like I want Benson to be safe, but god so
Speaker 2: but she's right, okay, So Barba says that's a direct threat,
Speaker 2: like let's get you protection. Of course, Live goes, I'm
Speaker 2: not living like that. I don't want anything and whatever.
Speaker 2: So now we cut to some aggressive painting. I've never seen
Speaker 2: a canvas be you know, such hard lines and it's
Speaker 2: avery painting.
Speaker 1: You know, our artsy girl.
Speaker 2: I don't think she made the art fair though, But
Speaker 2: Rollin's is like, damn girl, your paintings are a little different.
Speaker 2: And she goes, yeah, I don't know that girl anymore.
Speaker 2: And it's like truly just a paint on the like
Speaker 2: a heart on the canvas. But okay, so Rollin says
Speaker 2: she'll come back, and she goes, he knew, manny knew
Speaker 2: talking to the DA was a death sentence and Rollin
Speaker 2: says he couldn't let those men free. He couldn't live
Speaker 2: with that, and she says, oh, so you really did
Speaker 2: love me. I'll never have that again, and Rollin goes, girl,
Speaker 2: you're young, like you're gonna have to baby, don't worry,
Speaker 2: and she says, have you ever been with someone that
Speaker 2: was willing to die to protect you? He died thinking
Speaker 2: I didn't love him anymore. I should have told him
Speaker 2: while I still had the chance, still thinking about him,
Speaker 2: like I don't, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She looks down and then keeps painting very aggressively, and
Speaker 2: then piano notes start playing and play into the end
Speaker 2: entire Dick Wolf Baby, and that's our.
Speaker 4: Dick Wolf Baby. Oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, this episode is.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, I hate I really kind of hate all
Speaker 4: the gang ones because it does just feel like they
Speaker 4: have such control over people and everyone's like making And
Speaker 4: this is the kid who was like smart enough to
Speaker 4: get into a fucking this gifted high school and everything.
Speaker 4: He had a bright future ahead of himself and he
Speaker 4: just got caught up in this. But like he's bad, right,
Speaker 4: like he knew it was happening, but did they have
Speaker 4: something over him? Like I get a little bit confused
Speaker 4: with the plot of this one.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's because he fucked up that like aspirin, because
Speaker 2: he fucked up because he wouldn't, like, you know, act
Speaker 2: enough like a gangster.
Speaker 1: Like he also didn't even want to be a part
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, they bullied him into it.
Speaker 2: He didn't do a good job, and then they decided
Speaker 2: to But he he just shouldn't have gone over, like
Speaker 2: they should have left the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it's like a worldview and they
Speaker 2: don't have it. But he was also he probably had
Speaker 2: a totally different worldview. He was going to this like
Speaker 2: gifted programs school. Yeah, it's devastating, but also betrayals climax.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like an uncomfortable it's all uncomfortable. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's all very uncomfortable. Yeah, it's all sad. I've convoluted
Speaker 1: and tell us about the crime.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this episode is based on a like assault
Speaker 4: that took place with MS thirteen, which you know, for
Speaker 4: a lot of people, MS thirteen is like the right
Speaker 4: wing talking point gang that we talk about all the time.
Speaker 4: MS thirteen is just flooding into this country and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. But it stands for Mara Salvatruca, which is
Speaker 4: MS thirteen. It's an international criminal gang that originated in
Speaker 4: La in cal in the eighties and originally the gang
Speaker 4: was set up to protect Salvadoran immigrants from other gangs
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, but it eventually turned into like a
Speaker 4: more traditional gang, okay.
Speaker 1: So like originally it was like.
Speaker 4: No, let's like support our fellow, you know, Salvadorans, and
Speaker 4: then no, it turned into you know, running drugs, guns, murder, rape,
Speaker 4: all kinds of crimes in the Richmond, Virginia area. In
Speaker 4: August of twenty thirteen, Jose Armando Brand aka Pantro, which oh, okay,
Speaker 4: Pantro is just Panthro, which is the name of a
Speaker 4: character in the Thundercat series.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's where this guy got
Speaker 1: his nickname.
Speaker 4: That a Thundercat's nickname might be a little embarrassing for
Speaker 4: like the leader of a clique.
Speaker 1: But he is thirty years old.
Speaker 4: He gets two consecutive life sentences for crimes he committed
Speaker 4: and orchestrated.
Speaker 1: As the leader of a.
Speaker 4: MS thirteen subset or click called Sailor's locos saval truca
Speaker 4: and I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I'm not a
Speaker 4: perfect Spanish speaker. And then allegedly Jose Mancilla Martinez aka
Speaker 4: Ready became the new leader of this click within a
Speaker 4: mesertine which is in the Chesterfield County, Virginia area. So
Speaker 4: he was he was given the life sentences in August
Speaker 4: of twenty thirteen. But this crime is happening. He obviously
Speaker 4: got arrested much earlier, and that's when the year before,
Speaker 4: and that's when Jose Moncia Martinez aka Ready took over
Speaker 4: the mantle. So on August eighteenth of twenty twelve, this
Speaker 4: girl is visiting a friend at her friend's apartment complex
Speaker 4: and later she's waiting outside for her ride when Moncia
Speaker 4: Martinez or Ready, who was seventeen at the time and
Speaker 4: is taking over this click of this gang. But he's seventeen,
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, he approaches her, uh with Hario
Speaker 4: Jose Hernandez, also seventeen. They offered this girl a ride
Speaker 4: and she takes it because she knows them and she
Speaker 4: feels like safe with them, okay, and they take her
Speaker 4: back to Mancia Martinez's apartment between sometime between midnight and
Speaker 4: one am, where they all watched TV for a bit,
Speaker 4: and then she asked them to take her home and
Speaker 4: Mancia Martinez said they'd take her, but first she had
Speaker 4: to do something for them, alluding to something sexual, and
Speaker 4: the girl said that they quote must be kidding and
Speaker 4: also said, quote don't be stupid.
Speaker 1: But then as she was sitting on the.
Speaker 4: Couch, Moncia Martinez forced her down by her shoulders. When
Speaker 4: she screamed, he pulled a machete on her. So both girl,
Speaker 4: both boys raped this girl and like at machete point.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to say it other than that like,
Speaker 4: and then took her home, where she told her mother
Speaker 4: what happened. They waited a couple of days to call
Speaker 4: the police because both boys were affiliated with MS thirteen
Speaker 4: and they feared retribution, and then Moncilla Martinez eventually was
Speaker 4: arrested and charged as an adult in Chesterfield County Court
Speaker 4: Circuit Court, but he claimed the sex was consensual. And
Speaker 4: I'm almost surprised that they were able to get a
Speaker 4: conviction just because if she waited a few days. I
Speaker 4: don't know if there was physical evidence or whatever, but
Speaker 4: just like you know, they make rape the hardest thing
Speaker 4: to fucking prove ever, and these kids are claiming that
Speaker 4: it was consensual. But on January ninth, twenty thirteen, he
Speaker 4: is found guilty of forcible rape by a jury and
Speaker 4: actually very SVU. He admitted his gang affiliation while talking
Speaker 4: to a forensic psychologist, doctor Evan Nelson, during court ordered
Speaker 4: psychological sexual evaluation. So he had a huang in his
Speaker 4: life that he just opened up to at this thing.
Speaker 4: And Nelson wrote in his report that Mancilla Martinez asserted
Speaker 4: that even though the MS thirteen gang was own for crimes,
Speaker 4: he did not do them, and trying to bolster his point,
Speaker 4: he said with misguided sincerity, he spontaneously remarked, ce MS
Speaker 4: thirteen is not involved in robbing, They're mostly involved in killing.
Speaker 4: Like I think he was trying to be like like,
Speaker 4: we don't rob, we just kill, and I don't try
Speaker 4: to get himself like off of this.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how what that has to do
Speaker 1: with his own crime. That's just like this quote from
Speaker 1: the report that I read.
Speaker 4: So Mancilla Martinez had also been investigated by the FBI
Speaker 4: for a murder in Richmond in twenty twelve, so he's
Speaker 4: already on their radar as like a gang member. And
Speaker 4: before his sentencing, Chesterfield Circuit Judge Stephen C. McCallum was
Speaker 4: presented with evidence that Mancilla Martinez had been involved in
Speaker 4: another gang related assault while he was being held in
Speaker 4: juvenile detention. So he was eventually sentenced to twelve months
Speaker 4: for that attack, and then on July seventeenth, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: which is eleven months after he committed this rape, the
Speaker 4: judge sentenced him to forty years in prison with twenty
Speaker 4: years suspend. So it's twenty years for raping this fifteen
Speaker 4: year old girl while holding her at machete point. He
Speaker 4: must also register as a Virginia sex offender when he's out.
Speaker 4: He currently is serving his sentence in Red Onion State
Speaker 4: Prison in Pound, Virginia, which is like near the border
Speaker 4: of Kentucky. And I looked him up and his release
Speaker 4: date is listed as November twelfth, twenty thirty two, so
Speaker 4: that's in seven years.
Speaker 1: And it's just like kind of fucked.
Speaker 4: Because like what the guy said in the episode is true,
Speaker 4: Like I think prisons are places that gangs just recruit
Speaker 4: new members. So the other boy, Hernandez.
Speaker 2: So you need loyalty you need protection, you need you
Speaker 2: need protection and prisons. So it's like, yeah, yeah, i'd
Speaker 2: be fucking desperate. I probably joined something I didn't want to. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't all be Edward Norton in the corner reading
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: No, no, exactly exactly. I mean there's yeah, there's episode
Speaker 4: like I mean in Sons of Anarchy, there's like a
Speaker 4: whole storyline about this guy who is in this motorcycle
Speaker 4: gang even though and he can't let them find out
Speaker 4: that he's part black because they're so racist that he's like,
Speaker 4: but then in jail, like he's you know, he's got
Speaker 4: to get in with these gangs and stuff for present,
Speaker 4: for help or protection, you know. So it's I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a complicated ecosystem in prison.
Speaker 1: But because I have.
Speaker 2: Hebrew letters on the back of my heads, manek, so
Speaker 2: I wouldn't really be able to join the like white power.
Speaker 4: So I don't know why that would be tough. I
Speaker 4: think you could be taken in by other groups. I
Speaker 4: think other groups would take you in for your for
Speaker 4: your other your saying.
Speaker 2: If someone recognized me from Survival of the Thickest, I
Speaker 2: could join the Black group.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Michelle Putoe's roommate.
Speaker 1: I think that's my only way to protection. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, if it was orange and New Black, I mean
Speaker 2: red is Russian, right, would she have taken you under
Speaker 2: her wing?
Speaker 1: I I think she.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless she really hated Jews too, I'm really not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. I think she was okay
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could join maybe a I don't
Speaker 2: want to fuck with the I don't know, girl, It's
Speaker 2: not an ideal situation, no matter how he slice it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so he is. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So then the other guy, uh, the other one who
Speaker 4: was seventeen at the time, eighteen at the time of sentencing, Hernandez.
Speaker 4: He pled guilty and marched also to rape and was
Speaker 4: sentenced to three and a half years in a state
Speaker 4: juvenile correctional facility. And I get, and I guess as
Speaker 4: part of a blended sentence of juvenile and adult punishment,
Speaker 4: which I had never heard of before. Hernandez also got
Speaker 4: ten years in adult prison, but with all ten years suspended.
Speaker 1: So I don't really.
Speaker 4: Get that, but I guess his lawyer probably made a
Speaker 4: case like if you plead guilty, We'll get you juvenile
Speaker 4: because it wasn't your idea and this guy was clearly
Speaker 4: the leader and he probably said.
Speaker 1: He made you do it or something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but.
Speaker 4: Yes, Chesterfield Prosecutor BJ McGee said Mancia Martinez instigated the
Speaker 4: attack and Hernandez was pressured by his friend to participate.
Speaker 1: So that is the story.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's not like widely reported on outside of
Speaker 4: the Richmond area press outlets that I that I found,
Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm sure there's a many, many unreported
Speaker 4: instances of guys and gangs using attacks on girlfriends as
Speaker 4: like leverage and payback and revenge and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: So it's not like this is the only thing that
Speaker 4: this was probably based on.
Speaker 1: But that case happened.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, a year before this episode came out about,
Speaker 4: So that's.
Speaker 1: That on that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, dark all around. But we have a guest.
Speaker 4: We have a great guest, So fantastic guess. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: Our guest today is an actor and filmmaker who you
Speaker 4: may know from shows like Younger or Donnie. She also wrote, directed,
Speaker 4: and starred in the feature films The Country Club and
Speaker 4: a New York story, but you know her best as
Speaker 4: our victim in today's episode, Avery Capshaw. Please enjoy our
Speaker 4: very interesting conversation with Fiona Robert. This is uh so
Speaker 4: fun that we get to talk to you. You're like
Speaker 4: the big part of this episode betrayals climax.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the audition. Yeah, I'm like reading praumatic art.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a weird title too, like it's like a real.
Speaker 4: Totally fucked up yes. Wait yeah, not me, just understanding
Speaker 4: that right now. When you pointed it out, I was like,
Speaker 4: what do you mean, Oh my god, ill.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's definitely like a hook title, right, like it's yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm the audition for it. So I this was like
Speaker 5: the first job I ever got in New York, and
Speaker 5: I had actually auditioned for a different episode of Law
Speaker 5: and Order that I and all I wanted was to
Speaker 5: be on Law and Order because every actor that I
Speaker 5: respected had done one Law and Order episode in their career.
Speaker 5: So I was like desperate to get on the show.
Speaker 5: And so I was called in for a different episode.
Speaker 5: Actually I don't know if you guys are going to
Speaker 5: look at it, but it was about a girl who
Speaker 5: was like trapped in a cave or like in a
Speaker 5: basement for a long time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we can't say defectively.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I got pretty close to that one, like
Speaker 5: I had a producer session and everything, and then and
Speaker 5: meand I didn't get it, and the feedback was that
Speaker 5: I didn't look like I had been in the cave
Speaker 5: for like an abasement for like a month. I think
Speaker 5: I was like a little too I don't know, like
Speaker 5: polished or cute or whatever not to you know, but anyway,
Speaker 5: so then I was like okay, sad. And then I
Speaker 5: got actually a tape for this, so I didn't go
Speaker 5: in the room, I don't think. I think I just
Speaker 5: taped for it, like a self tape, and then they
Speaker 5: offered it to me like almost immediately, because I think
Speaker 5: I had already been through the audition process, so they
Speaker 5: already knew that I could like go in front of
Speaker 5: people and deliver, and they just were looking for someone
Speaker 5: that would do this part. And then I actually learned
Speaker 5: later that like nobody wanted this part except for me.
Speaker 1: Well did they tell you? Which understandably understandable.
Speaker 2: But SVU is always pretty graphic and fucked, so I'm
Speaker 2: wondering what specifically about this one turned people away.
Speaker 5: So I went in years later to audition for the
Speaker 5: same casting director for like a series regular part.
Speaker 6: I think it was like Chicago med or something.
Speaker 5: And when I walked into the audition, actually he said
Speaker 5: like she was on like one of the hardest episodes
Speaker 5: of SVU that I ever had to cast. And I
Speaker 5: think it was because there's like there was like three
Speaker 5: pivotal scenes where in the script it said like she
Speaker 5: is bawling.
Speaker 6: It was like when she.
Speaker 5: Almost jumps off the roof, and then when she admits
Speaker 5: to like the rape, and then again when she admits
Speaker 5: to like having the orgasm.
Speaker 6: And I think it's like a very vulnerable scene.
Speaker 5: Like those are really vulnerable scenes, all three of them
Speaker 5: alone and in like a show or an episode would
Speaker 5: be intense. And then to have to be at that,
Speaker 5: not to use the word, but climax of emotion is like,
Speaker 5: you know, I think actresses would look at that and
Speaker 5: just go like, you know, they give you two takes
Speaker 5: on lawn order, Yeah, two takes, So like what if
Speaker 5: I get cast and then I go in there and
Speaker 5: I can't do it in two takes?
Speaker 6: I think it's scary for actors.
Speaker 2: So what is your method to be able to kind
Speaker 2: of deliver in the in these moments. Well, because you
Speaker 2: delivered her You're out, you were crying, you were in
Speaker 2: a the emotion was there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was a Meisner actor, Like I
Speaker 5: went to NYU and so it's like, I.
Speaker 6: Oh, that sounds funny.
Speaker 5: It's like no, it's more that like that was what
Speaker 5: I was doing every day in class. So like I
Speaker 5: think I was just like in the in the world
Speaker 5: of it, because like that was what Meisner acting is
Speaker 5: is you have to like go and imagine deeply these
Speaker 5: like horrific things that have happened to you, like every day.
Speaker 5: So sorry that sounded so catty, but but what I
Speaker 5: mean is just like I was doing it in class
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it was pretty easy.
Speaker 1: You trained for this. You trained for this so well.
Speaker 4: I mean I was looking at your IMDb and like,
Speaker 4: this seems like it was one of your first gigs,
Speaker 4: although you were in a show for ten episodes called
Speaker 4: Sex House, and I'd love to tell more about that,
Speaker 4: but but like, were you feeling kind of like new,
Speaker 4: like because you hadn't done like a ton of on
Speaker 4: camera stuff yet, Like, were you like a little nervous
Speaker 4: going into it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I didn't really definitely, it was definitely
Speaker 5: like my first TV thing. And even after that, I
Speaker 5: was on Younger and there was still things I was
Speaker 5: learning about TV that I didn't really understand, like hitting
Speaker 5: a mark, for example, and I thought it was sort
Speaker 5: of like a loose you stand sort of right here,
Speaker 5: because that's kind of how it is in theater. And
Speaker 5: I did a lot of theater growing up and in Chicago,
Speaker 5: and I just but then I learned, like when I
Speaker 5: was on Younger even later, that's no, the mark is
Speaker 5: the mark.
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, because you've got to be in
Speaker 6: focused on camera. Yeah I was, but I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I don't remember being nervous because I remember just really
Speaker 5: wanting to be on the show and also knowing that,
Speaker 5: like I don't know, it was like that I could
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: So it was fine and you were prepared, you were ready.
Speaker 6: I was ready, guys.
Speaker 2: And then it says that Philip Seymour Hoffman on your
Speaker 2: IMDb discovered you you're in a play with Tom Hardy, like,
Speaker 2: well at the Goodman Theater, which is you know, very
Speaker 2: well known.
Speaker 5: Tell us about that, Well, yeah, this was it's so
Speaker 5: funny now, I'm looking back on this like career retrospect.
Speaker 5: It's like all my parts happened in like a very
Speaker 5: similar way. Where again they were like looking for someone
Speaker 5: who was the actual age. It was a play at
Speaker 5: the Goodman and the girl was supposed to be fifteen,
Speaker 5: I think or fourteen, and they had a lot of
Speaker 5: actresses coming in who were trying to play that age,
Speaker 5: and they said, we want someone who's actually that age.
Speaker 5: So they reached out to my high school because I
Speaker 5: was at the Arts high school and my teacher put
Speaker 5: me up for it, and I went in and auditioned
Speaker 5: for a Philip Seymour Hoffmann and the playwright Brett ce Leonard,
Speaker 5: who's wonderful and apparently okay. So we got in like
Speaker 5: a little bit of like a tiff because Phili kept
Speaker 5: saying to me, you're not listening, You're not listening, like
Speaker 5: he was very into like listening on stage and just
Speaker 5: like being in the moment listening reacting, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know what you're freaking talking about. I'm hearing
Speaker 5: the words, I'm saying the lines, I am listening, and
Speaker 5: he after I left, the playwright told me late he
Speaker 5: was like, not her like not her, and I was like, okay.
Speaker 6: So then what happened was I didn't hear anything for
Speaker 6: like two weeks.
Speaker 5: And then I'm at my friend's house actually in Evanston,
Speaker 5: and I get a phone call from my mom and
Speaker 5: she's like, there's a voicemail. They want you to come
Speaker 5: back in, Like it's the audition is this morning, Saturday,
Speaker 5: ten am. Like they keep calling and they've left all
Speaker 5: these voicemails to see if you're coming or not because
Speaker 5: we just didn't like, look, the voicemail's on the landline, right,
Speaker 5: And so I go back in and I audition and
Speaker 5: it goes really really well, and I end up getting
Speaker 5: the part.
Speaker 6: And the playwright told me later that for that callback,
Speaker 6: the casting director actually put my name back on the
Speaker 6: list like at the bottom and the and Phil was like, no,
Speaker 6: we've already seen this girl, like she's not we're not
Speaker 6: doing this, and the casting director was like, just please
Speaker 6: see her again. I really think she's the one for
Speaker 6: this part, and he just like put my name on
Speaker 6: the list anyway, and so they saw me again and
Speaker 6: then I just remember that one going really well. Oh
Speaker 6: I know why, because I decided when I went into
Speaker 6: the audition. I was like, I'm whatever he says, I'm
Speaker 6: just gonna agree with Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, so there you go. Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I went back and I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: no I see the difference. Yeah, no, I definitely So
Speaker 5: that was I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this casting director.
Speaker 6: Yeah. He was amazing. He like started my career. What's
Speaker 6: his name, Adam God?
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 6: He was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm glad they're finally getting an oscar and getting recognized.
Speaker 2: And I feel like casting's really been shunned aside in
Speaker 2: terms of Adam Belcour. Okay, shout out to Adam Belcour.
Speaker 2: Adam Belcour fighting for people.
Speaker 5: It's quite literally, I don't know if the story is
Speaker 5: true either. I'm full of like stories of maybe true.
Speaker 1: Who knows what story? Did it run for?
Speaker 6: It ran first, I think for six weeks.
Speaker 1: So what was your life like? Full high school?
Speaker 2: And then we're and then you would run off a day. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would leave every day at three and I would
Speaker 5: do like four or five hours of rehearsal, I think.
Speaker 5: And then there were some days that I was there
Speaker 5: all day from ten am onward, and it was amazing
Speaker 5: to be in the room with Tom Hardy and Philip
Speaker 5: Seymour Hoffman and watch them work together and the playwrights
Speaker 5: and the whole team that was involved because it was
Speaker 5: only five people in the play, so it was a
Speaker 5: very intimate cast. And yeah, everyone's gone on to do
Speaker 5: amazing things. And I remember Tom Hardy showing me a
Speaker 5: book of He's like, this is a movie that I
Speaker 5: just shot, like this is the press kit book and
Speaker 5: it was for Inception the Crystal.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I didn't know that the time that was
Speaker 5: going to be this like huge movie and I was like,
Speaker 5: really cool, Tommy, And.
Speaker 1: Then trying to tell you what it's about, You're like, cool,
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: Wait, but Tom Hardy is one of the top hot
Speaker 2: people in the nation. Were I would say, so full
Speaker 2: movie star now. Yeah, And did you feel like you
Speaker 2: were a teen where you were like this guy's hot.
Speaker 6: No, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think because he played my dad in the play. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was like very as an actor. I was very
Speaker 5: much in the space of trying to bond with him
Speaker 5: in like a fatherly way.
Speaker 6: And actually we did bond over rap music. We were
Speaker 6: both very into rap music at the time. And he
Speaker 6: made me a mixed CD which I still have, Oh
Speaker 6: my God of British rap music. And I made him
Speaker 6: a Little Wing CD mixed.
Speaker 1: Seed wowing together.
Speaker 6: Culture is coming together.
Speaker 5: And there's like a great photo of us sitting on
Speaker 5: a couch and I have one ear pod and he
Speaker 5: has the other ear pod and we're for sure listening
Speaker 5: to Little Wing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's cute.
Speaker 6: Wow, maybe I can take it up.
Speaker 1: You and Tom Hardy besties forever.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, now the email bounces if I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, are you still doing theater actively or is it not?
Speaker 1: You want to be on films?
Speaker 6: I yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I I think I wasn't really interested in theater very
Speaker 5: much when I moved to New York, which is crazy,
Speaker 5: but only because I think as an actor, I'm the
Speaker 5: type of person that digs very, very deep, and I
Speaker 5: found it to be really hard to be digging really
Speaker 5: deep for eight shows a week when they're paying you
Speaker 5: three hundred dollars. And then also somebody's like, no, I
Speaker 5: haven't seen it because it's theeter yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 5: if I'm going to go this deep and work this hard,
Speaker 5: I want people to see it. And appreciate it, and
Speaker 5: so I just didn't feel that it was like worth.
Speaker 5: I just I was exhausting for me to try to
Speaker 5: do that. But I'd love to do theater now. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but I'm actually filmmaking more now.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I want to ask you about that. I
Speaker 1: was seeing on your IMDb.
Speaker 4: You've got the Country Club, a fellow s v Alum,
Speaker 4: James Romaniac, Friend of the Pod, and Elaine Hendrix from
Speaker 4: Parent Trap, who I know we all stand.
Speaker 1: And then you've made a New.
Speaker 4: York story and then you with your sister in these
Speaker 4: movies and right, and like, yeah, but you're in them
Speaker 4: and you direct and write them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean it's all from the same place,
Speaker 5: which is that I was really finding it hard to
Speaker 5: dig deep for projects that were like horror films and
Speaker 5: things that I you know, I felt like I was
Speaker 5: just working so hard on stuff and then it was
Speaker 5: sort of there's a lot of violence that was not
Speaker 5: really thought through, and a lot of rape not really
Speaker 5: thought through, like used as a plot device. So I
Speaker 5: started writing with my sister because I just wanted more
Speaker 5: control over like what I was going to be in
Speaker 5: and then what I was going to truly like dig
Speaker 5: deep for and so we started writing and producing, and
Speaker 5: we just finished our third feature, which we did right,
Speaker 5: but we helped produce, which is very exciting stars Dustin Hoffman,
Speaker 5: Andre Holland, Alison Brie and Tom Sturage, and so that
Speaker 5: is hopefully going to come out next year.
Speaker 6: Write director Alex Black, and then.
Speaker 1: We're also working tell us.
Speaker 6: Yeah it's called The Revisionist, okay. And then our fourth
Speaker 6: feature is going to be a murder mystery. So we're
Speaker 6: doing that now. Yeah, And I find that.
Speaker 5: To be a lot more fulfilling because I just I
Speaker 5: feel so creative. I still put myself in the projects.
Speaker 5: I'm in the Dustin Hoffman movie as well, like I
Speaker 5: you know, I do all of that, and we worked
Speaker 5: with other amazing producers.
Speaker 6: We're not the leads on that one. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just think like grabbing control of your own creativity
Speaker 5: and your own work as an actor can be really fulfilling.
Speaker 5: But also the industry has I'm so long winded, I'll
Speaker 5: pause so you.
Speaker 1: Can no go ahead. You're being interesting.
Speaker 2: It's not like a boring nightmare that we've you know,
Speaker 2: we don't edit around this.
Speaker 5: Well, I just going to say that since Lawn Order, right,
Speaker 5: and since I decided I didn't want to audition for horror
Speaker 5: movies where I was being raped, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like digging deep for that.
Speaker 5: I the industry has changed so much, and I feel
Speaker 5: like the actresses that are coming up now are so
Speaker 5: freaking lucky because the character breakdowns. For me, when I
Speaker 5: was eighteen nineteen going out for this stuff, every single
Speaker 5: character is had hot.
Speaker 6: At the front.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if she was about to be like killed,
Speaker 5: you know, run over by a truck. They're like, but hot.
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, and now that's not the case.
Speaker 4: I see I don't forget hot, but she doesn't know it. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 4: that's important. She can't know it, right.
Speaker 6: Yes, No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5: I would always say that specifically because I would go
Speaker 5: out for those I was never going out for, Like
Speaker 5: she's a model.
Speaker 6: I was going out for hot, but she.
Speaker 1: Goes out for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So now it's almost like I went through this.
Speaker 6: I started filmmaking and doing all this like doing extra,
Speaker 6: you know, being real the extra, And now the industry
Speaker 6: has changed, so I just waited it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're still in it. You could do anything. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: Breakdowns now are definitely like open to all. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that that's how casting will go, but definitely the
Speaker 2: breakdowns are like we're open to anything and anything more conscious.
Speaker 5: So they're like buy some more conscious, like yeah, body
Speaker 5: type and looks and open ethnicity. I mean, just wasn't
Speaker 5: like that back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now it are just famous people's children, right,
Speaker 4: I was got to say, And now it's like, how
Speaker 4: many follows, followers do you have?
Speaker 1: You can be in this movie?
Speaker 6: Well, evil doesn't die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. It takes on different forms. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Did you always work well with your sister? Was she
Speaker 2: always artsy and went to the same high school as you.
Speaker 5: She didn't go to the same high school, but she
Speaker 5: was a ballerina and she studied in Germany at a
Speaker 5: serious state ballet.
Speaker 6: School in Germany.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And then she decided it was too hard on them
Speaker 5: is a lot of ballerinas do. And she wanted to
Speaker 5: get into acting, and I wanted to get into like
Speaker 5: writing and directing. I mean I was like twenty four
Speaker 5: when I decided that. And I called her and I said,
Speaker 5: I'm making an LLC and I can either call it
Speaker 5: X or I can call.
Speaker 6: It Robert's Sisters. What do you think? And she's like sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: So that's how we started our company.
Speaker 5: And we made this like little movie, The Country Club,
Speaker 5: which is like very fun and funny, and I.
Speaker 1: Know John Higgins.
Speaker 6: Yes, so we loved John Higgins.
Speaker 5: We got and he was amazing in it, and he's
Speaker 5: so funny and it's so funny because I look back
Speaker 5: on that movie and I just like, wish it was
Speaker 5: like slightly better made.
Speaker 6: But that's my fault. No, I'm not. I have twenty five.
Speaker 2: I actually just started watching what's his name Wes Anderson
Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's like a fifty five minute video of
Speaker 2: him going through all his projects.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's like doing press for something new.
Speaker 2: And I started it last night and it's him talking
Speaker 2: about Bottle Rocket and he's like, yeah, it wasn't that good,
Speaker 2: but this and that and this sucked, and that didn't
Speaker 2: work out and this and it's you know, then you
Speaker 2: make more.
Speaker 1: I watched Bottle Rockets seventy five times in college. My
Speaker 1: favorite movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I used to love that.
Speaker 2: I love it sucked and how.
Speaker 1: This I'm like, didn't suck for me? When I was
Speaker 1: twenty one, he.
Speaker 2: Said, like, first day making it, they kept and he goes,
Speaker 2: and then the scene started working in the takes, so
Speaker 2: we were figuring stuff out.
Speaker 1: So it is, you know, a process.
Speaker 5: But I'm very proud of our second movie, A New
Speaker 5: York Story, which it's so funny, is a gentler look
Speaker 5: at class because it's about a woman from the Upper
Speaker 5: East Side and she falls in love with the street
Speaker 5: photographer who's like from green Point and it's a very
Speaker 5: simp like it's it has parallels to this Law and
Speaker 5: Order episode, the sort of romance from one side of
Speaker 5: the tracks or whatever. But yeah, that's our second movie.
Speaker 5: And I that one premiered at Bentonville in Arkansas, which
Speaker 5: is Geina Davis's film festival, and so it's a vertical
Speaker 5: and that one's on Apple TV, and so I think
Speaker 5: that's like a better example of my filmmaking work.
Speaker 4: But it's really like impressive that at twenty four you
Speaker 4: were just like I'm in a storm making movies, Like
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot of people would think that
Speaker 4: they could do that or would know how to do that.
Speaker 1: That's really impressive, Like thank you.
Speaker 5: Well. It actually coincided with I think Trump's first election,
Speaker 5: and I remember I literally remember having the thought, if
Speaker 5: that man can be the president of the United States,
Speaker 5: I think I can make a movie. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: all the walls came crashing down of idealizing men and
Speaker 5: thinking that like them being in positions of power was
Speaker 5: like the right thing.
Speaker 6: And I was just like, oh no, like I can
Speaker 6: do this. So I couldn't, but I.
Speaker 1: Thought like, no, you can.
Speaker 2: The still all looks so good, like all these photos.
Speaker 2: So are your parents artsy?
Speaker 6: My parents are both union psychologists. Okay, wish I was enough.
Speaker 1: Of ungian psychologists.
Speaker 5: And my mom is a professional astrologer, so like me
Speaker 5: more la.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Like your sister went to ballet, you were at an
Speaker 2: arts high school, Tonight's I mean these psychologists were supportive.
Speaker 5: That Young is all about finding your own path, and
Speaker 5: he's also about you know, imagery and like the hero's journey.
Speaker 2: Young psychologists. Yeah yeah, young Young Union like the unions.
Speaker 2: Unions they're on the picket line, like they're helping people
Speaker 2: in unions get through their problems.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes more sense.
Speaker 6: Maybe I got it.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, they're both psychologists and they're young young psychologists.
Speaker 2: Wait but did they meet in psychology? She's school like, well,
Speaker 2: so they both.
Speaker 6: Of one met it Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what okay? Would you guys talk about young
Speaker 1: growing up all the time?
Speaker 5: Like all the time, every and every dream I had,
Speaker 5: my dad was like, let's talk about that, like what
Speaker 5: what does it mean that you're standing in the cornfields
Speaker 5: like this and that? And so my family was always
Speaker 5: very like image based because young young is all about dreams,
Speaker 5: So the image of in the dream is very important
Speaker 5: and what you and so for me, I think that's
Speaker 5: transferred into filmmaking that I'm all about the image of
Speaker 5: like not you know, what are we conveying from the
Speaker 5: conscious collective, which is Young's like big thing, the zeitgeist,
Speaker 5: the conscious collective? What are you conveying through the image composition?
Speaker 5: It's very right in a lot of ways.
Speaker 6: I think filmmaking and writing is like a better pursuit
Speaker 6: for me maybe than acting because I have a large
Speaker 6: understanding depth and understanding of archetypes and like image and
Speaker 6: all that so from my parents.
Speaker 2: But wow, is there anything you've learned about like being
Speaker 2: on the sets and doing all this that informs your
Speaker 2: film making or like when you're directing on set, or
Speaker 2: like a way you felt where you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: going to make sure to do this or I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this when I'm in charge.
Speaker 1: If you have the actor's perspective so much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it there, it has.
Speaker 5: But it's hard to think of one thing because I
Speaker 5: definitely still when I'm working with actors, I think about
Speaker 5: like what would Phil do? He was definitely my biggest
Speaker 5: directing mentor because he's the director I actually spend the
Speaker 5: most time in the room with. I think our phearsal
Speaker 5: process was like four weeks or five weeks every day,
Speaker 5: and so I mean, you know, his his process that
Speaker 5: I think is really important is being like extremely prepared
Speaker 5: and ready. So I get frustrated when like actors on
Speaker 5: other lines, like I will admit to that, I'm like,
Speaker 5: it was your one job. And I remember how angry
Speaker 5: Phil would get at like Tammy if he just like
Speaker 5: didn't do something that was like written on the page
Speaker 5: or whatever. But also his he used to say like
Speaker 5: you have to go further. You have it here, and
Speaker 5: now what's after that, what's under that? And constantly trying
Speaker 5: to get that feeling in your stomach of like what
Speaker 5: it is that you're truly going through. But of course
Speaker 5: that's like more deep things. And I actually think film
Speaker 5: directing is a little bit different than theater directing. So
Speaker 5: now I'm a little bit more loose with words and
Speaker 5: improvisation on film. I think that for some reason, on camera,
Speaker 5: the camera loves those moments. And so that's been a
Speaker 5: lesson that I've learned. I used to be more of
Speaker 5: a stickler for like what I had written and what
Speaker 5: I wrote, and now I'm like, actually, the camera loves
Speaker 5: to see the moments of improvisation, So I just I
Speaker 5: take things from.
Speaker 6: You know, lots of different experiences.
Speaker 5: And then because that's something that like dust And Offen
Speaker 5: was saying, you know, he was like when we were
Speaker 5: on set with him, he was saying, if you see
Speaker 5: a director and they're standing at the monitor and they're
Speaker 5: mouthing every word, don't work with them, because he was like,
Speaker 5: they just want to see their words on screen. They
Speaker 5: don't want to see like you know, you need to
Speaker 5: have a live performance.
Speaker 6: And so then I was like, oh no, like one
Speaker 6: of those directors.
Speaker 1: So then I.
Speaker 6: Felt like that was a big learning moment.
Speaker 5: So I'm still learning and just getting to work with
Speaker 5: great actors and great directors.
Speaker 6: You continue to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just hit me that, like you directed Dustin Hoffman. No, no,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I helped produce produce.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was with him. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you have any other like s vu, any interactions
Speaker 4: with the cast besides I know you said Marushka was
Speaker 4: really supportive and complimentary.
Speaker 1: Iced tea, Uh.
Speaker 2: Maloney was gone by that key or about like the
Speaker 2: makeup and hair team because you had to do a
Speaker 2: lot that you know, you got bruises, you had a lot.
Speaker 5: Of Oh yeah, oh yeah, I so iced tea. I
Speaker 5: was eating ice cream underneath the underneath the interrogation table,
Speaker 5: like during a scene. He kept like at when they
Speaker 5: would cut, he would like the bite of ice cream.
Speaker 5: It was the last episode of the season. I think
Speaker 5: that they were shooting, so they were doing sort of
Speaker 5: like a big celebratory Christmas thing. I'm pretty sure mrsh
Speaker 5: got like pink berry for everybody and there was like
Speaker 5: a full hog on the craft table. The budget the
Speaker 5: budget was like out of control for the food. Which
Speaker 5: now was a filmmaker, I'm I can appreciate him that
Speaker 5: was called but in terms.
Speaker 6: Of makeup and hair team.
Speaker 5: I do have one funny story, which was that when
Speaker 5: I went in, they like dusted my face with powder basically,
Speaker 5: and then they were like, Okay, you're good to go.
Speaker 6: And I was like, what, Like, I'm gonna be on TV.
Speaker 5: For the first time and you're not gonna make me
Speaker 5: look pretty? And they were like, well, the director doesn't
Speaker 5: think that, like she should look very good because she's
Speaker 5: about to jump off the building or you know.
Speaker 6: And I was like, oh right, okay.
Speaker 5: And so I like left the trailer and I'm look
Speaker 5: looking at my face and I'm like, okay, it's just
Speaker 5: I'm going in bare face.
Speaker 6: And I had this chapstick that was like slightly tinted,
Speaker 6: so I was like, what if I just put this
Speaker 6: like chapstick on my lips?
Speaker 5: And so I did, and then we had to do
Speaker 5: like a photo shoot pictures of me and Manny that
Speaker 5: they were going to use in the background I think
Speaker 5: are on social media or something. So we do the
Speaker 5: photo shoot and then the ad I think comes out.
Speaker 5: She's like are you wearing lipstick? And I was like what,
Speaker 5: no o? And they were like I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I do have this chapstick that's tinted.
Speaker 6: I guess I shouldn't put that on.
Speaker 5: And they were like no, please, like we're gonna take
Speaker 5: that off and like redo it.
Speaker 6: And I was like okay, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I was like vain. I think I was like eighteen
Speaker 6: or nineteen, so whatever.
Speaker 2: Now I feel yeah, no, but also what attention to
Speaker 2: detail that they noticed the tint the light tent.
Speaker 6: Good for them, absolutely, jeez.
Speaker 1: I love him eating ice cream underneath the table.
Speaker 5: I know I friends that they were like ice team
Speaker 5: or like ice cream he was.
Speaker 2: He was in Times Square yesterday. I got a lot
Speaker 2: of people sending me scoopy really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was doing Raising Canes press promo.
Speaker 4: Of course that's his second most important venture, I think,
Speaker 4: behind us v you.
Speaker 2: But I have friends that work at Nickelodeon, so it's
Speaker 2: in Times Square, so they're like they just saw him
Speaker 2: on the way to work.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, oh Fiona, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: taking the time.
Speaker 1: This was.
Speaker 4: Damn so young, so accomplished and driven. Another good review
Speaker 4: from Ted. He liked Fiona. Oh yeah, oh yeah, but
Speaker 4: he goes, how do how do I come up?
Speaker 2: I go, I bring you up to anyone that went
Speaker 2: to NYO or like has acted in New York.
Speaker 1: I go, I'm pushing you. I'm pushing the attenda.
Speaker 4: Sorry dead, but you're like, you're not actually just like
Speaker 4: organically coming up through the person.
Speaker 1: It's Lisa mostly is bringing you up. But uh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: if you can hear my kids.
Speaker 4: By the way, guys, they are fighting outside the door
Speaker 4: of where I'm recording.
Speaker 1: I'm on, I'm traveling.
Speaker 4: Uh but post mortem on this episode, God, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't these date people in gangs? Say that?
Speaker 1: Is that politically correct?
Speaker 2: I don't think you should date someone in a gang
Speaker 2: if you could get out of the gang, get out.
Speaker 1: Of the gang.
Speaker 4: The problem is is that this kid was like smart
Speaker 4: and I think really did love her at some point,
Speaker 4: you know, at some point before he got fully like
Speaker 4: roped into the crime. But he like they get you
Speaker 4: at every angle. They're like, we're gonna kill your grandma,
Speaker 4: We're gonna kill this person, We're gonna you know, like
Speaker 4: you you you lose any control, they find a way
Speaker 4: to get to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everyone's dead. Oh my god, it's so intense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, but she keeps saying about him,
Speaker 2: even when even at the end it's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: like he loved me more than anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know this, Yeah, this is stuff.
Speaker 1: What was his option, like to take his grandmother and
Speaker 1: go hide? I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's uh yeah, gang stuff always feels I mean, it
Speaker 4: feel it's like mafia. It's like it's organized crime. You know,
Speaker 4: it's uh, it's a network. It's not just like one perpetrator.
Speaker 4: It's like fully a community. But then I understand why
Speaker 4: a lot of circumstances lead people to believe that they're
Speaker 4: protected and they're being treated well in these in these groups.
Speaker 2: You know. I just hate when this show makes me
Speaker 2: feel opposite of how I feel, because I'm like, just
Speaker 2: listen to your father.
Speaker 1: He wasn't no good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean yeah, because the parents were
Speaker 4: probably just like being racist, and then they were like,
Speaker 4: oh no, we were right, they were right in this case.
Speaker 4: In this case, they were right, but god damn. And
Speaker 4: then the real story was like.
Speaker 1: Only date within your class. That's the only way of
Speaker 1: that where.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to just within your class, you know us,
Speaker 4: That's how we feel.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: One of our friends was wearing a shirt she got
Speaker 2: for ninety eight dollars, but it was a four hundred
Speaker 2: dollars shirt, and like it looked so expensive and so
Speaker 2: comfortable in chic, like Gwyneth Paltry would wear this shirt
Speaker 2: and it was a casual shirt, not a dressed up shirt.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is the wealthy. This is why
Speaker 2: we can't even they know what they could see right
Speaker 2: through us, Like we can't even pretend this shirt just
Speaker 2: like I couldn't believe how nice it looked, button down silk.
Speaker 2: I go, wow, It's like it's just a different vibe
Speaker 2: and energy. So when I do those rich people shows
Speaker 2: at the private clubs, I'm like, it's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Your outfit costs thousands.
Speaker 2: It's like when Taylor Swift they do her outfit breakdowns,
Speaker 2: and even without the jewelry, just like skirt, shirt, shoes, purse,
Speaker 2: it's usually around six thousand dollars if not more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with two pieces usually still being affordable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which it's crazy because usually the purses are like
Speaker 4: in the in the five figures, you know, like ten
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Person, No, I mean you're right, I'm even under selling it.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you know, and that's that's upper twenty five thousand,
Speaker 4: the shades twenty five thousand. You know, that's a yeah,
Speaker 4: housewatch reference for the people that can't see me. I'm
Speaker 4: holding I'm looking at my glasses and saying twenty five thousand.
Speaker 4: I am staying close by to some pizza place or
Speaker 4: Italian place that apparently Taylor Swift goes to all the
Speaker 4: time in Brooklyn called Lukali.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the first times they
Speaker 2: went to dinner in oh Okay. It's like apparently, let
Speaker 2: me look haf to get in there because she goes
Speaker 2: there and all these like famous people go there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was like one of the first dinners. This was
Speaker 2: like exciting sheer sheer outfit.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: Oh but her and Travis were first dating. You mean yeah,
Speaker 4: I really think so. Let me just double check the
Speaker 4: date on the article. Yeah, September seven, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I only know it from like the paparazzi photos. Wow,
Speaker 2: Blake Lively and what's her face? All of that kind
Speaker 2: of is done right.
Speaker 4: Done out of the zeitgeist of oh you mean her
Speaker 4: and the all it ends with us drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's done, everything's been dismissed.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Diddy, I honestly Idaho Diddy, what do
Speaker 2: we save it for next week?
Speaker 4: I mean at this point, like this is sorry, Like listen,
Speaker 4: it's summer, we're traveling. It's like we are in the time, Massie.
Speaker 4: I've never taken a day off and not to be
Speaker 4: Marian missed an episode. We've never replayed an episode, we've
Speaker 4: never done a re release. So by the time this
Speaker 4: comes out, we will know the Diddy verdict, like they're
Speaker 4: already deciding right now.
Speaker 2: They decided he was found not guilty on the most
Speaker 2: serious charges, and he was found guilty on two of
Speaker 2: the charges. So it's basically like he paid for the
Speaker 2: sex trafficking, but he didn't facilitated or something like that.
Speaker 2: And in the comments as of yesterday there was they
Speaker 2: were they were still deadlock on one charge.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know that it was out. Oh oh wow, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe I'm right. Yeah, found guilty on processutequited of.
Speaker 4: Sex trafficking and racketeering, the biggest one because that would
Speaker 4: have been a minimum of fifteen And so this is
Speaker 4: all from an hour ago. You knew this, You knew
Speaker 4: this very fresh. Yeah, I've been I don't know. I'm damn,
Speaker 4: I've been on it. Yeah, he's gonna get fresh for us.
Speaker 4: But you guys will have heard this eight weeks later. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you're kind of listening in real time to people,
Speaker 4: you know. I just am reading this. This is like,
Speaker 4: I'm so shocked. I thought it was like the way
Speaker 4: that the news was making it sound was like the
Speaker 4: testimony is harrowing. He's gone great during the course of
Speaker 4: this trat, like he's going to go to jail.
Speaker 2: They're hoping still for four to five years in prison.
Speaker 2: I just hope he goes to prison, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't do I wish she sat there for twenty years. Sure,
Speaker 2: Like do I believe he is a sex trafficker and
Speaker 2: crime like leader?
Speaker 1: I do, Sorry, I do that.
Speaker 2: Also, the video of him beating the shit out of cats,
Speaker 2: like all of it is so fucked up. He also
Speaker 2: paid Cassie fifty million dollars like he is guilty of
Speaker 2: awful crimes.
Speaker 1: He tried to flee on a jet like fuck you.
Speaker 2: But if he gets four to five years, it'll be
Speaker 2: some sort of justice, some sort But if they don't,
Speaker 2: the defense attorneys are trying to fight for two years,
Speaker 2: so he'll at least go to jail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's like a charge of get that he
Speaker 4: assaulted one of his victims while he knew he was
Speaker 4: under investigation. Like wow, okay, oh boy, there's too much
Speaker 4: and they're going to take out the time that he
Speaker 4: already served pre verdict. But yeah, crazy, All right, let's
Speaker 4: let's get to what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: This week?
Speaker 4: For What Would Sister Peg Do, which you know is
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Speaker 4: about what we talked about today. This week for WWSPD,
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Speaker 2: I said Mulan like the cartoon princess, not like the
Speaker 2: Mulan Rouge.
Speaker 1: Do you say them this time? I think you say
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 4: Well, I saw it as Mulan. Yeah, I would say Mulan, Mulan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would say Mulan rouge, yeah, m yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, next week sure, And I'm sorry I signed
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